Valuetainment - December 06, 2019


Episode 398： Deadly Skills Training for Everyone by Former SEAL


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 22 minutes

Words per Minute

188.69112

Word Count

15,495

Sentence Count

953

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

In this episode, we have a sit down with former Navy SEAL and author of the new book, "30 Seconds: How to Stolen a Plane" about how to steal a plane and how to dispose of a body. Clint talks about how he came up with the idea for the book, why he decided to write it, and what it takes to be a good pilot.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 30 seconds.
00:00:30.000 a book about 100 Deadly Skills and training the average person.
00:00:34.140 I mean, some random things from how to steal a plane to how to bury a body, some weird
00:00:38.640 things that he learned when he was in the Navy as a Navy SEAL.
00:00:41.540 So if you like any of the military interviews we do, you're going to like today's sit down.
00:00:45.520 Clint, thanks for coming out, buddy.
00:00:46.640 Thank you.
00:00:46.860 Thanks for having me.
00:00:47.220 Appreciate you for coming out.
00:00:48.180 So, you know, I'm reading this book.
00:00:50.480 Obviously, we're going to spend some time talking about that one here, but I'm going through
00:00:53.140 the 100 Deadly Skills, and you've got a chapter that says how to steal a plane, which everyone
00:00:58.520 needs to know how to steal a plane.
00:01:00.000 You know, you've got another one that says how to discreet and lose surveillance, which
00:01:05.100 is great.
00:01:05.520 We need to know that.
00:01:06.320 And then, you know, how to dispose of a body, which is insane to me.
00:01:11.280 So I looked at this book.
00:01:12.860 I said, listen, is Clint writing this book for us, for citizens to learn how to do this?
00:01:18.360 Or you're writing this book for the bad guys?
00:01:19.900 So what inspired you to want to write this book?
00:01:22.520 There was a couple of things.
00:01:23.840 All right.
00:01:24.100 So first, getting out of the military, right?
00:01:26.640 As you transition, you go from hero to zero.
00:01:29.480 You look for things to do.
00:01:31.200 A friend gave me an opportunity to write a book.
00:01:34.180 We were supposed to do it together.
00:01:35.580 He'd already published a bunch of books.
00:01:38.340 And I said, sure.
00:01:39.760 Well, then he's an older guy.
00:01:41.220 So he ended up having back surgery and left me hanging, and I was left to finish this thing.
00:01:46.460 But I knew that when I got out, I wanted to kind of go down the path of crisis management.
00:01:50.560 And this is a great way, an entertaining way, an informative way to get consumers to take a little bit more ownership in their own personal security and safety.
00:02:00.940 But I also knew there were some tactics that, in order to get the attention of media, guys like you, you've got to throw some taboo stuff in there.
00:02:11.500 And certainly the skills, plus a couple of others that you mentioned, certainly get the attention of people.
00:02:18.740 But ultimately, I really did want to get a book out there that everyone could learn from.
00:02:24.860 I like to joke that it's probably the most popular book sitting next to a man's toilet in America, without a doubt.
00:02:32.840 It's illustrated for all of those Army crayon-y guys that like pictures in their books.
00:02:38.940 I'm just kidding.
00:02:39.800 Yes.
00:02:39.900 But, yeah, that's the short answer.
00:02:43.280 I'll tell you, that's what makes it helpful, though, man, when you're looking at it.
00:02:45.580 The pictures, you know, for some of us 1.8 GPA folks, we need basic illustrations to show how to do this.
00:02:52.560 So tell me, let's go through a couple of them before we go into your story here with the book.
00:02:56.720 So how do I steal a plane?
00:02:58.700 You know, how do I go about stealing a plane?
00:03:00.480 Well, first, you have to know how to fly it.
00:03:02.500 Okay.
00:03:02.760 Okay, that's rule number one.
00:03:03.780 That's a bigger problem right there.
00:03:04.940 Yes, that is.
00:03:05.080 But if you do know how to steal a plane and you happen to be on the run in a semi-permissive, non-permissive environment,
00:03:14.040 then you go to a Delta airspace airport, which is your smaller airports.
00:03:20.440 Some of them have towers.
00:03:21.780 Some of them do not.
00:03:22.840 But the goal is that's a less environment for security.
00:03:26.780 So, therefore, you'll be able to get in and get out discreetly.
00:03:29.520 And on top of that, it's usually the hangers in those smaller airports have smaller aircraft.
00:03:35.100 So a single-engine land aircraft is what you'd be going after.
00:03:38.880 And a lot of times, these things were built in the 70s.
00:03:41.540 They don't have, like, you know, these high-speed locks on the doors.
00:03:44.820 So if you're going after Cessnas or Pipers, really it's all about the magneto switch, which is what gives everything power.
00:03:51.840 The prop is the crank, and a lot of these will start with just that kind of simple knowledge.
00:03:59.920 On top of that, if it's got an increased ignition system, then being able to pick the lock to start and then magneto switches and then pulling the prop, and it'll start right up.
00:04:11.060 Just be careful when you pull the prop.
00:04:12.520 You've got to get your arms out of the way real quick.
00:04:14.680 Yes, something could happen to your arm.
00:04:16.000 They could disappear.
00:04:16.640 Let me ask you, are this stuff you learned when you were in as a SEAL yourself, where in case you're in war, something happens, you're going to try to get away, you have to learn how to fly a plane and steal a plane?
00:04:26.720 Or is it more for entertainment purposes?
00:04:29.420 It's a little bit of both.
00:04:31.420 In the later part of my career, I certainly experimented with alternative ways of getting yourself out of trouble.
00:04:39.120 It became really important to think about and think about things, you know, if, hey, okay, what if, worst case scenario.
00:04:46.640 What am I going to do?
00:04:48.480 I just happened to be a pilot.
00:04:50.140 It was something I went and did on my own.
00:04:52.780 And then, yes, I did add it to the book for entertainment value.
00:04:56.080 Got it.
00:04:56.460 Yeah.
00:04:56.660 How many of these hundred have you actually used in war and experience for yourself where it's firsthand, not something you're just writing about?
00:05:05.040 Probably 50% or more of those.
00:05:07.720 That's a good amount.
00:05:08.380 Yeah.
00:05:08.780 When you talk about some of the surveillance-based stuff, we get into that in the community.
00:05:14.420 When you talk about some of the more personal security and how to be the gray guy in society, especially when you're traveling the globe.
00:05:22.980 When I talk about third-party awareness, personal awareness, cultural awareness, all of those things are mentioned in the book.
00:05:30.700 Those are all really important to lessen yourself as a target when traveling abroad, whether you're a tourist or you're a guy like me.
00:05:37.880 It just applies to so many different environments.
00:05:40.380 Hell, in this country alone, if you go from one city to the next, you can find yourself in trouble because you don't understand that city's culture, right?
00:05:48.120 So it applies everywhere.
00:05:49.640 Very true.
00:05:50.340 Yeah.
00:05:50.540 That's good to know because sometimes, you know, you write a book and, hey, 17 Keys to Success and a guy wrote it.
00:05:55.380 He's never done a business before.
00:05:56.560 But these are things that you've actually applied yourself and seen, whether it's in wartime or in your own personal life as well.
00:06:02.720 Right.
00:06:02.980 A whole bunch I've applied.
00:06:04.800 About 50% or more applied to work.
00:06:06.860 I'm betting in civilian life you haven't disposed of a body.
00:06:10.260 You know, if I'm a betting man, I've interviewed mobsters and other guys, you're a SEAL.
00:06:14.200 I'm betting that hasn't happened yet.
00:06:15.520 Not yet, right.
00:06:16.740 So I have Captain Duncan Smith on, okay?
00:06:20.740 And any time I bring folks from the FBI or NSA or CIA or SEAL or anything that's worked at the highest level in military, ask them,
00:06:30.480 what do you think is the biggest threat we're facing today, right?
00:06:33.380 For you, everyone has their own opinion on this.
00:06:36.800 You seem like the guy that's very astute.
00:06:39.100 You pay attention to details, all the stuff about where you sit, like when you go into a room, you know,
00:06:43.840 that whole one scene you were looking at where Matt Damon is saying the guy sitting at the, you know,
00:06:48.800 in that one movie scene, he's sitting here at four cars parked.
00:06:51.520 You're like, well, not to that point, but you could kind of pay attention to it.
00:06:54.220 Right.
00:06:54.560 What do you think is our biggest threat right now?
00:06:56.220 It's a former Navy SEAL military guy.
00:06:58.000 What do you see as our biggest threat today?
00:07:00.040 Well, I think there's multiple threats.
00:07:01.960 There's an acronym I came up with called THREAT, T-H-R-E-A-T.
00:07:06.600 It's a great way to break down threats in any environment you find yourself.
00:07:10.960 The first one is technical threats, which is audio, video, your mobile devices.
00:07:17.080 Cyber really is the umbrella to that one.
00:07:19.620 I think that the cyber front is the wild, wild west.
00:07:23.720 It's not regulated.
00:07:24.880 There's a lot of threats there, both the consumer, the government.
00:07:28.060 We've even seen at work to potentially sway elections here in the United States along with overseas.
00:07:34.040 So I feel the cyber world is the next frontier, mainly because everyone has a device in the palm of their hand.
00:07:41.580 Connectivity is very easy.
00:07:43.640 And there's a lot of nefarious characters out there that want to take advantage and exploit everyone who actually has a device.
00:07:50.840 So that's number one.
00:07:52.200 And then you've got the H, which is health threats.
00:07:55.620 I mean, we're rolling into flu season.
00:07:57.660 So all of a sudden that will be number one in the media within a couple of months.
00:08:01.480 So and then, of course, when you talk about active shooters and under health is also making sure, you know, stopping the bleeding is something good to know and that you've got to be aware of.
00:08:13.140 And then R is really your violent crime, raids, robbery and ransom.
00:08:19.280 I feel like those are domestically a big deal with the increase in active shootings.
00:08:25.360 2018, we had 450 plus workplace related active shooters.
00:08:33.820 Workplace?
00:08:34.580 Workplace active shooters, 450 plus of them in 2018.
00:08:39.720 How many were employees, by the way?
00:08:41.080 How many of them were from outside?
00:08:42.280 How many of them were actual employees?
00:08:43.740 A lot of times there's the big three on how you break down active shooters and the why.
00:08:50.240 Mental health, right, is a big one.
00:08:53.940 Relationships, okay.
00:08:55.360 And that relationship is defined as relationships at home or in your private life.
00:09:01.120 Relationships at work with a supervisor, a peer or a subordinate.
00:09:05.420 Makes sense.
00:09:05.780 So and then in third place is usually money is the other reason people come and start shooting.
00:09:12.280 So, you know, you have to be, you know, you have to be aware of that and domestically I think that's obviously a big threat.
00:09:19.300 It's at the forefront of everybody's mind these days.
00:09:21.460 And so you've got to at least be thinking about it.
00:09:26.680 When you, the rest of the threats, E, environmental threats, you know, you've got 900 tornadoes a year in this country.
00:09:34.300 You've got hurricane season going on right now.
00:09:37.220 So those are always something that's there and they're very seasonal.
00:09:40.760 And so you've got to be aware of it.
00:09:42.500 A is another invisible threat that we all deal with and we don't even know it is agencies working against us.
00:09:48.620 That's foreign intel services.
00:09:50.380 That's law enforcement that may pull you over in foreign lands where bribery is a second form of income.
00:09:56.400 And if you don't know that, then you'll go to jail instead.
00:09:59.240 You believe that?
00:10:00.040 I do believe that.
00:10:00.880 Even in America, a lot is happening here as well.
00:10:02.620 When you go overseas, definitely bribery is the second, I think most of them make more money.
00:10:09.240 I'm from Iran.
00:10:10.160 I know what it is to say, you go into politics to make more money than stay in the civilian world because you can do additional.
00:10:16.120 And then T is the one threat that will never go away and that is terrorism.
00:10:23.280 So, in short, to answer your question, when you talk about what is the threat that's most concerning or the one that keeps you up at night,
00:10:30.660 it really depends on where you sleep each day, right?
00:10:33.520 So, the point being is you really have to know your environments and know the threats that could potentially happen in those environments in order to answer that question accurately.
00:10:44.080 And it's the one thing I push all day every day is that, hey, just know what those threats are in your environment, the clues and those cues,
00:10:52.600 and then you can elude those threats all together and never have to face them.
00:10:56.140 But you've got to know about them, you've got to get educated on them, and you've got to stay, like you said at the beginning, you know, in the Jason Bourne video,
00:11:03.360 you've got to be at least 50% aware and put your phone away in order to, you know, know what's going on.
00:11:09.720 Put your phone away. What do you mean put your phone away?
00:11:11.580 Put your phone away because we are attached to our phones, right?
00:11:15.080 We constantly have our head in our mobile devices when in reality we need to get our heads up and looking around.
00:11:22.740 Simple.
00:11:25.180 Simple. It really is.
00:11:26.140 Simple, but it's something not many of us are doing today.
00:11:28.500 No, we need to know.
00:11:29.600 So, I want to go through some of these. Let's go through this.
00:11:31.580 Let's go through the technical with cyber, okay?
00:11:33.480 I'm in the financial industry, and one of the things I'm noticing happen more today is when I'm going to conferences with other CEOs
00:11:40.400 and these large $100, $200 billion auto insurance companies, five years ago, no one's talking cybersecurity, but maybe for two minutes, okay?
00:11:47.920 Ten years ago, no one even talks about cybersecurity, okay, when we're going into these.
00:11:53.080 Today, everyone's talking about cybersecurity.
00:11:55.580 Without a doubt.
00:11:56.200 When I tell you everyone, every meeting I'm going to on different insurance, everybody's talking about cybersecurity.
00:12:01.340 So, let's go through the basic stuff of cybersecurity, okay?
00:12:03.960 The most basic way for me to protect myself when I'm dealing with cybersecurity, password.
00:12:10.180 Is there any specific rules you follow for picking passwords for your bank account, for your social media, for your phone?
00:12:18.780 And then, is there anything you recommend on ways to keep your password?
00:12:23.140 So, because sometimes when you have to remember 50 different passwords or 50 different places, do you save it in a place so you can go to it?
00:12:29.280 Or do you have something you recommend?
00:12:30.940 So, let's start off with the most basic thing, password.
00:12:33.100 How do you view passwords?
00:12:34.420 I think passwords still are the number one vulnerability at an individual level, okay?
00:12:39.900 And because of that, that's what makes companies vulnerable.
00:12:43.840 And so, the hackers, they know this.
00:12:46.340 And these days, hackers aren't usually, you know, the kid in the basement of his mom's house, you know, yelling for a cheese sandwich and sitting there trying to get into someone's information.
00:12:57.240 A lot of times, they are programmers putting together these packets of malware and attaching them to links or trying to, you know, discreetly inject them into a network so that an entire system is affected.
00:13:13.100 But when you back up to the simple stuff like passwords, the rule I follow is 24 characters or longer, okay?
00:13:22.720 And that sounds crazy.
00:13:24.260 But the reality is, is if you type in a phrase that has zero attribution to you, your family, your personal life, your dogs, your anniversary dates, nothing personal, and you put in a phrase.
00:13:35.880 Now, within that phrase, you can have, you know, a change in characters, you can add in some symbols.
00:13:41.680 So, instead of S's, you can use the money symbol, right?
00:13:45.260 But a phrase.
00:13:46.920 The beauty of this is that phrase, usually you can type it a lot faster because we're used to home keys and we know, our fingers know where they're going.
00:13:54.960 And they tend to be able to type that phrase, whatever you choose, a whole lot faster than some crazy complex combination of letters, numbers, and symbols, right?
00:14:05.580 But the idea is, is when you go past the 24 character mark, what you're doing is actually eluding any of those malware packages that, or packets, that can run a virus against your username and password.
00:14:22.200 They can run at, usually, 500 characters a second, right?
00:14:28.000 Trying to figure out your password.
00:14:30.480 They'll stay on target, what used to be, and my knowledge may be old, and I'm not a cyber guy, by the way.
00:14:36.520 But they used to stay on target roughly 15 minutes before moving on.
00:14:41.460 So, when someone's attacking, let's say, a small business website, it'll sit there and run through 500 different characters.
00:14:48.300 But, if your password is 24 characters or longer, then it would take roughly 15 to 20 years for a supercomputer to break the code.
00:14:59.100 15 to 20 years.
00:15:00.560 Right.
00:15:01.220 Because you're going beyond, it's like combination locks, right?
00:15:05.560 The more numbers you put in, the longer it takes for someone to crack it.
00:15:09.860 And then it gets to the point where no one can crack it if even the most experienced thief trying to get into a manipulation type lock, right?
00:15:17.280 So, and what is that level to get to that point?
00:15:20.560 It's what?
00:15:21.100 It's just keeping it even more technical or going more than 24 letters?
00:15:25.560 24 or more.
00:15:26.520 24 or more.
00:15:27.340 Characters, yeah.
00:15:28.160 And so, now what you're doing is putting time on your side because it can't sit there and run against your, it can, but it won't run against your password all day, every day.
00:15:39.980 Because then where the malware comes from or the virus comes from will then be detected.
00:15:47.700 And they don't want to be detected.
00:15:49.420 So, the goal at the end is to run a 24-character password or more on everything you have, and then you are defeating a lot of those types of hacks.
00:16:01.840 Where are you storing your password?
00:16:03.960 So, meaning, what do you recommend?
00:16:05.560 So, nowadays, we got 50 logins, 40 logins, right?
00:16:10.260 Is there anything you're suggesting where, or do you suggest same password for all 40, 50?
00:16:16.200 Do you change them up?
00:16:17.340 Because it's a lot of work right there.
00:16:19.260 It is.
00:16:19.860 So, I mean, there's a lot of different tricks.
00:16:21.980 One, yes, there's apps out there that will maintain and even create very complex passwords for you and keep track of all that.
00:16:30.300 I'm not one of those guys.
00:16:31.280 I'm still kind of old school.
00:16:32.740 I keep all of my passwords right here.
00:16:36.020 But what I have done is in my system, I have the 24-character phrase.
00:16:41.720 Then, on the back end of that, I will put the word that relates to whatever it is it goes into.
00:16:48.040 So, if it's my cable provider and I want to log in, it's the phrase and cable.
00:16:54.020 Then, it's the phrase, then bank.
00:16:56.320 I don't use specifics.
00:16:57.540 I'm not going to put, you know, what's a cable company?
00:17:00.960 Verizon, Fios, right?
00:17:02.440 I'm not going to put anything that specific, but I will put cable.
00:17:06.620 Then, on my next one, I will put bank.
00:17:09.000 If I have three banks that I have to log into, bank one, bank two, bank three, but they're all at the tail end of the 24-character.
00:17:17.640 That way, I don't have to remember so much, but yet I'm still bulletproof.
00:17:21.520 The other piece of this equation is your username.
00:17:24.480 A lot of sites will make you believe that your username has to be your email address, right?
00:17:31.800 But it's worth trying to make it something other than that, right?
00:17:35.880 Because that is typically easy for the bad guys to figure out is the username, but it is a crucial piece to them getting into your accounts.
00:17:44.080 So, treat your username like another password.
00:17:47.520 Make sure it's, just make it something that isn't related to you so that that way now, it doesn't matter, right?
00:17:56.680 If you've got a great password and you're not using your email address as a username, they're not getting in.
00:18:02.280 And then, the third piece to this equation at a personal level is two-part authentication.
00:18:09.380 It's become very popular.
00:18:10.820 Anytime you have the opportunity on your emails, banking, everything, make sure you turn it on.
00:18:15.300 A lot of them ask you, hey, do you want that?
00:18:17.360 Sure.
00:18:18.100 Is it an extra step that's sometimes a pain in the ass?
00:18:20.520 Yeah, because you've got to wait for the text to come through and you get your six-digit number and then you put it in.
00:18:25.260 But that's better than someone else getting in.
00:18:28.000 I agree.
00:18:28.460 You know, one of the things that happened to us last year is one of our Instagram accounts got an email saying,
00:18:36.180 you're about to get verified, okay, and click on this.
00:18:39.940 And the person clicked on it.
00:18:41.700 And then we went to it.
00:18:43.400 And then after you went to it, it was never from Instagram.
00:18:46.380 And so, one of our employees that's working, you're just basically thinking, okay, another account that's getting verified, let me go out there and do this.
00:18:51.800 And then it was someone else that stole the account, changed the password, emailed, saying, if you want your account back, I want $10,000 from you.
00:19:01.940 Yes.
00:19:02.260 And they're doing that now.
00:19:03.120 So, they're doing that with Gmail.
00:19:04.180 They're doing that with Instagram.
00:19:05.240 They're doing that with Facebook.
00:19:06.140 And one of the ways that I was told is check to see if it's at Facebook, if it's coming from Facebook.
00:19:12.560 Right.
00:19:12.940 Not Facebook, customer service, you know, Los Angeles.
00:19:16.320 That's not Facebook.
00:19:17.500 You have to look at that as well.
00:19:18.420 That was another area that they were talking about, which happened here for us.
00:19:22.080 Any other item on cybersecurity that you're seeing as a threat for folks out there to be thinking about on how they can protect themselves?
00:19:30.160 You just hit on the big one.
00:19:31.260 So, passwords being the vulnerability, and then, of course, people clicking on the link that they shouldn't.
00:19:36.920 And so, that's either spear phishing, where they go after someone like you, a CEO, CFO kind of guy.
00:19:42.880 The popular scam a year or two ago was it would appear as an email from the CEO to the CFO saying, I need you to transfer.
00:19:53.040 That's what just happened six months ago.
00:19:55.560 Right.
00:19:56.080 And it's happened multiple times in the last six months.
00:19:58.780 We've caught it every single time.
00:19:59.940 Good.
00:20:00.420 Yeah, but you'd be surprised.
00:20:02.020 There's a lot of companies that fall for it.
00:20:03.500 I bet. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
00:20:04.000 Because the email address looks like it's coming from the CEO, when in reality it wasn't.
00:20:07.860 But it's like, I need you to transfer the money right now.
00:20:11.180 And then some of those CFOs listen to their CEO, and they transfer the money.
00:20:15.060 And then it's gone forever.
00:20:16.720 So, yes, look at those email addresses.
00:20:19.760 But I also tell companies all the time, you can make your signature block part of your security protocol.
00:20:25.880 Any email that comes through, make sure there's something special about the signature blocks that all the employees use.
00:20:33.840 That way, if someone from the outside tries to pretend to be you, you can look at a signature block and go, nope, that's not someone within the company.
00:20:41.300 Back in the day, you could do wallpaper or watermarks.
00:20:44.060 You probably still can, you know, through some of your email exchanges.
00:20:47.400 So, you can put a wallpaper, too, that's specific to your company so that everybody knows that's internal email and it is legit.
00:20:55.140 Whereas, if it came with just a white background in the email, then you know it isn't.
00:21:00.180 The other thing I want to talk to you about is the anonymous emails.
00:21:04.560 You said number 58, sending anonymous emails.
00:21:07.720 What did you mean by this on sending anonymous emails?
00:21:10.280 Leave zero forensic traceback.
00:21:13.520 Really? To this level?
00:21:14.860 Well, so, privacy has certainly become a big issue, right?
00:21:19.620 There is a lot of people that don't want marketing issues or marketers trying to get in.
00:21:28.880 And, well, we hear about it all the time now, right?
00:21:31.220 That Alexa is always listening.
00:21:33.380 We hear about Facebook is always watching.
00:21:36.120 So, what it is, is that's giving someone the ability, in a very simple way, to increase their privacy and anonymity when they're online.
00:21:47.660 So, it walks you through on how to download things properly, not utilizing any of your personal Wi-Fi or work Wi-Fi, download some apps, go through a couple of steps, and before you know it, you've created an anonymous world that you can now do whatever you want to do without worrying about whether it's Big Brother, Facebook, Alexa, or anybody else watching.
00:22:11.960 So, it's just to increase people's security based on privacy alone.
00:22:16.720 Excellent. Good.
00:22:19.240 We'll keep coming back to a couple of crazy things you got here, man, because it's nonstop.
00:22:23.020 It's one after another.
00:22:23.960 Okay.
00:22:24.560 Next one.
00:22:25.120 So, you said technical cyber.
00:22:26.360 Next one, you said health.
00:22:27.920 Active shooter.
00:22:28.780 Let's talk about active shooter, right?
00:22:30.380 So, what is starting to happen is we have increased our security here more ever since we've noticed what's been happening.
00:22:38.480 You know, having a security person now, we're training on active shooter.
00:22:43.940 What happens when that happens?
00:22:45.260 And when we're in the military, you're training different methods of what happens, and there's a lot of different philosophies with active shooter.
00:22:51.860 One says you go the whole zigzag if you see somebody when it happens in a movie theater or at workplace.
00:22:57.120 Another one said somebody should attack the active shooter because if you don't attack them, they can spray everybody in the room, and at least one person can stop them.
00:23:04.700 What are your philosophies and views on how to handle active shooters?
00:23:07.900 You know, it's a little bit of everything you just mentioned.
00:23:11.940 So, the mantra that's become very popular, and it started with a video produced by the city of Houston.
00:23:20.120 Then it became the federal kind of iconic run, hide, fight video, and it's been passed around.
00:23:26.660 It's only about five minutes long, and I support that philosophy.
00:23:32.120 One, because it's easy, right?
00:23:34.160 Run, hide, fight.
00:23:35.540 The words define themselves.
00:23:37.200 But I like to caveat that there's actually more to each piece of it, right?
00:23:41.780 One, the environment you're in dictates what you're going to do.
00:23:45.960 The situation that you might find yourself in also is part of the decision-making process.
00:23:51.540 So, if it's a run, I tell people all the time, don't just run, like, aimlessly, right?
00:23:58.860 If you see a herd of people go by, we all have the mammalian reflex that says, oh, I should run with them.
00:24:04.500 Your job is to counter that feeling and stop for a second, look, listen, pay attention to your surroundings, and determine where the gunfire is coming from.
00:24:15.420 Because here's the one thing most people don't tell you is gunshots fired indoors is much different than gunshots fired outdoors.
00:24:22.940 When they're indoors, they're about 100 times louder, okay?
00:24:27.060 That's number one.
00:24:28.340 Number two, the sound ricochets off the hallways, stairwells, walls, you name it.
00:24:33.620 So, it makes it omnidirectional.
00:24:35.160 So, a lot of times in an active shooter scenario, when the shots are fired indoors, people inadvertently run towards the shooter because they think they're running away from it because the bang sound was from their left, right?
00:24:51.540 But the shooter is actually to the right.
00:24:54.160 Wow, that's a good point.
00:24:54.880 So, in those situations, before you run, you want to trust your eyes, question your ears, especially indoors, okay?
00:25:04.180 So, that's number one.
00:25:06.140 Running in a zigzag.
00:25:07.160 If you find yourself in the open, right, and there's no one around, there's no cover, then, yeah, be erratic with your movements, right?
00:25:16.640 Run like a crazy person because if it's just you and the shooter, you want to make it as difficult on him as possible because by running in a zigzag forces him to change his elevation and his windage, right?
00:25:29.420 Elevation is moving that barrel up and down.
00:25:32.140 Windage is moving it left and right.
00:25:34.300 So, you want him to have to really try and get you, but the odds are you're not going to be the only one.
00:25:41.720 But if you are zigzagging, then he's going to redirect his attention to much easier targets.
00:25:46.420 And as horrible as that sounds, that's how you survive.
00:25:51.560 Then, when it comes to the hide, I tell people all the time the hide should be looked at as temporary.
00:25:56.420 At all costs, it should be temporary and you should run from cover to cover.
00:26:00.560 Cover is anything that stops bullets.
00:26:02.120 Concealment is something that still hides you, but it doesn't necessarily stop bullets.
00:26:07.620 All of these things you can identify well ahead of time.
00:26:10.800 So, you mentioned your work environment.
00:26:12.240 You've increased security.
00:26:13.180 But the best thing every employee can do is identify the things that stop bullets now while you have plenty of time and zero stress.
00:26:21.780 The last thing you want to do is make decisions with increased stress and zero time because the odds are you're going to make the wrong decision and end up dead.
00:26:30.740 So, find your cover now, which is structural pillars, you know, dense wood.
00:26:35.900 Way before the event happens.
00:26:37.220 Right.
00:26:37.360 Like, start learning about your work environment now.
00:26:39.540 Right.
00:26:39.960 Because we all live in a very small pattern of life.
00:26:42.600 We're at work.
00:26:43.260 We're at home.
00:26:44.580 Our favorite coffee shop, the gym, whatever.
00:26:46.640 In all of those environments that you're at the most, those are the environments you should start looking around going, okay, that 45-pound plate, yep, that'll stop bullets.
00:26:54.840 Yeah, that granite, whatever, desktop, I can flip that over, get behind it, that'll stop bullets.
00:26:59.400 Or that structural pillar that's in my building, you know, that's dressed up to look like, you know, it doesn't look like anything special because it's got sheetrock, it's decorative.
00:27:08.940 And, you know, obviously architects want those structural pillars to blend into the environment, but they're everywhere.
00:27:14.080 You just got to identify them ahead of time.
00:27:15.840 So, if you find yourself in a room or what, a dead end, that is a bad place to be, right?
00:27:22.080 The bathroom, dead end.
00:27:23.660 A closet, dead end.
00:27:25.420 Would you put movie theater in that situation as well?
00:27:27.540 If you only have two exits, you're up, you're shooters at the bottom?
00:27:30.100 You can be in a dead end in that case, too, right?
00:27:33.120 So, now it's about getting out of sight so that you're not in their sights.
00:27:37.440 But if you find yourself in a room, know how to barricade a door properly.
00:27:40.720 There's a little bit of physics and science to it, but you stack things in front of an inward opening door, linear.
00:27:47.240 So, it's desk, right, against the door.
00:27:50.040 Then, behind the desk is another desk, table, chairs, whatever.
00:27:53.680 However, extend that line of furniture all the way to the opposing wall and let the opposing wall be your brace against the door.
00:28:01.040 Make sense?
00:28:02.040 Now, no one's getting in.
00:28:03.680 If it's outward opening doors, in a lot of commercial environments, you have the automatic door closer at the top.
00:28:10.040 It's like an elbow joint.
00:28:11.600 You can take your belt off, wrap it around that elbow joint nice and tight.
00:28:15.180 Now, it makes it difficult for the guy to get in, but not impossible.
00:28:18.120 So, you have to keep that in mind.
00:28:19.220 What you're doing is buying time, and that's why I say, when you hide, make it a temporary thought process.
00:28:26.580 Meaning, as soon as you get in there, you're immediately looking for your next out.
00:28:30.320 So, if there's windows, throw a chair through the window.
00:28:32.760 Out through the window, you go.
00:28:33.980 Head to the tree line.
00:28:34.900 Head to a neighbor's house.
00:28:35.960 Head to, you know, another business building.
00:28:38.260 But get out of the building is the number one objective because the X.
00:28:44.720 It's all about getting off the X.
00:28:46.240 You being a military guy, you know this just as well as I do.
00:28:48.740 The X is the point in which your adversary decides they have the greatest advantage, where you're most vulnerable, where speed and stealth benefits them most.
00:28:58.420 Your job is to get off the X as quickly as possible.
00:29:01.900 So, schools are the X.
00:29:03.920 Some places of work are the X.
00:29:07.360 Sometimes your home is the X.
00:29:08.900 Your job is to get out of there and, you know, to get out of there as quickly as possible and to safety.
00:29:15.680 The final piece of the equation is fight.
00:29:18.280 And a lot of times, for the average person, that should be the last resort, right?
00:29:23.700 And when you fight, you're fighting for your life.
00:29:25.900 Meaning, you have to increase your violence equal to or greater than your adversaries in order to win.
00:29:32.340 So, fight, fight, fight, fight for your life, you know, and use improvised weapons if you can.
00:29:38.300 If you're at work, team up, right?
00:29:40.800 So, if you know he's coming, you're in a dead end, you have no other outs, and there's just two of you, you're going to make a quick plan, a little bit of leadership.
00:29:48.600 Someone's got to find the courage.
00:29:49.900 Courage, and we all know, courage is just as contagious as panic.
00:29:57.080 So, do not panic, because then others will start to panic.
00:30:00.740 Powerful.
00:30:01.420 Right.
00:30:02.000 Courage.
00:30:02.600 Pick courage every time, even if you've got to fake it until you make it.
00:30:06.160 Pretend that you're brave, and you will be brave.
00:30:09.720 So, when those shots get closer and closer to your door, and when that muzzle comes through the door,
00:30:15.260 number one, man, the weapon is the priority.
00:30:17.700 Get control of that weapon.
00:30:19.900 Number two, man, is going for the hips or the head.
00:30:22.940 If we talk about MMA and the fighting world, we know that the way you control a body is by controlling the spine.
00:30:29.800 The best way to control the spine is either the pelvis or the skull.
00:30:34.020 The pelvis is a bigger target, and when you have stress, right, a ton of stress and a ton of adrenaline,
00:30:40.080 it's better just to go for the big target, because going for the head might seem a really small target in that time in your life, right?
00:30:46.420 So, number one, man's going for the weapon, total control.
00:30:49.280 Number two is going for the hips.
00:30:51.140 Separate the adversary from the weapon.
00:30:53.760 And then, if you have the opportunity, you can use the weapon against him,
00:30:57.240 or everybody's going to dogpile the bad guy and keep him down on the ground until the first responders arrive.
00:31:04.160 Clint, how often do companies call you after the fact when an incident like this happens?
00:31:09.060 How often do people hire you after something happened?
00:31:11.220 I've had a few, but you would be surprised on how many companies culturally won't even let the words active shooter be said even today.
00:31:22.620 Why is that?
00:31:23.820 They just still don't want, one, they don't want to scare their employees.
00:31:29.040 So, it's a very critical decision point for a lot of your global security directors and human resources on whether to really train people on this,
00:31:39.680 because they're afraid that the messaging is something bad is coming, something bad is going to happen.
00:31:45.160 Why would they train us on this unless they're not telling us something?
00:31:48.540 And sometimes those thoughts of senior HR or senior security is what prevents them actually from making a move.
00:31:56.980 But we've navigated those cultures by switching the language.
00:32:01.760 It can be violent intruder.
00:32:03.140 It can be aggression.
00:32:04.920 So, there's ways to teach a workforce without saying those words that might be kind of culturally scary to them.
00:32:12.020 Really?
00:32:12.580 Yeah.
00:32:12.740 And you're seeing that?
00:32:14.040 And we are seeing that even today with the amount of media and exposure that active shooters are getting.
00:32:21.280 There's still a lot of companies out there that don't really want to say it out loud.
00:32:24.940 Now, let me ask you, for a company side, how many times is it people attracting it where you said something?
00:32:32.480 You said the last thing you want to do is make a decision during a crisis.
00:32:35.520 I think this is something you said in one of your interviews.
00:32:37.480 I'm assuming you're saying that because you're trying to say you want to be so prepared that you don't need to make a decision.
00:32:43.180 It's just instinct purely acting on it.
00:32:45.840 Is that kind of what your point was behind not having to make a decision during a crisis?
00:32:49.680 Correct.
00:32:50.340 Okay.
00:32:50.540 So, you want to basically act out decisions that you've made a hundred times before?
00:32:54.780 A hundred times before.
00:32:55.640 Got it.
00:32:56.400 So, is there anything companies can do to prevent any situations like that happen?
00:33:02.580 Meaning preventative measures, not even, you know, let's prevent any of this stuff to happen that it can never happen at our company.
00:33:10.400 Or is there, no matter what you do, it can still happen at your company?
00:33:12.940 Yeah, I mean, I remember going to this FBI profiler, right?
00:33:18.900 And a lot of those guys have quite the education in psychology and behavioral sciences.
00:33:26.340 And I found it pretty interesting that he pretty much laid out that 10% of any demographic, so that could be a company, that could be a state, that could be a country.
00:33:36.760 You're going to have 10% of the population that's going to have what he called dangerous personalities, right?
00:33:44.180 And so, if you...
00:33:45.520 10%.
00:33:46.000 10% of dangerous, potential dangerous personality traits.
00:33:51.480 So, that could be someone who's got a little bit of sociopath in them, someone who's got a little bit of psychopath in them.
00:33:57.560 And there was a long list of what is considered a potential dangerous personality trait.
00:34:02.920 So, no matter how much you vet in your hiring processes, no matter how many screening processes you go through in the military,
00:34:12.800 there's a good chance that there's 10%-ish of people that you're around that could have those traits and could activate them,
00:34:21.820 or they could be triggered, whether it's, you know, their own personal crisis going on in their life,
00:34:28.060 or it could be that they went down the path of, you know, substance abuse.
00:34:33.620 It really varies what the triggers could be.
00:34:36.700 So, it's difficult to say, hey, how do you just prevent it?
00:34:39.460 There is no way to just totally prevent hiring a potential active shooter.
00:34:45.420 But what you can do is give your people the emergency preparedness protocol and training,
00:34:52.820 so that when it happens, it increases the odds of survivability for everyone.
00:34:57.820 Got it.
00:34:58.400 That's good to know.
00:35:00.020 You know, it's coming up again more and more, even in businesses,
00:35:04.780 where people are asking me about what we can do to prevent this from happening.
00:35:08.820 Next, securing homes.
00:35:10.220 Okay, so you're living in a house.
00:35:12.160 I saw a couple of the clips where you're looking at the exact, you know, format of where the house is.
00:35:17.740 This is the bedroom.
00:35:18.380 This is an exit.
00:35:19.000 This is this.
00:35:19.480 This is that.
00:35:19.940 But before we even go into that, are you a fan of safe rooms, like, you know,
00:35:24.340 buying one of these $10,000, $20,000 safe rooms or the underground ones?
00:35:27.780 Are you a fan of those?
00:35:29.500 I would say I think they're pretty cool.
00:35:33.320 I think if you could create a safe room, then sure, why not?
00:35:39.460 I'm not, and I'm not by any means what would be defined as a prepper.
00:35:44.440 I'm not paranoid.
00:35:45.660 I'm probably somewhere in the middle.
00:35:46.720 I would say that anybody getting out of the military these days are a little hyper-vigilant is probably the best way to put it.
00:35:54.400 But I think the odds really are the, is what you go by, right?
00:36:00.260 What are the odds of having a violent crime inside your home?
00:36:04.340 You know, they're pretty slim to none, depending on your lifestyle.
00:36:07.340 But as a hobbyist, creating these safe environments that could potentially be life-saving if one day you just happen to be put in that position, right?
00:36:18.740 Because let's face it, the element of surprise is the one thing that we're all never expecting.
00:36:23.700 So you have to respect the element of surprise, even if it's in your own home.
00:36:29.260 And, you know, why not put something together over time that could give your family and yourself a safe haven if something bad happens?
00:36:40.340 Yeah, I look at a lot of properties here in Dallas.
00:36:42.600 One thing California doesn't have is they don't have, what do you call it?
00:36:46.720 What do you call a basement?
00:36:48.940 California doesn't have a basement, right?
00:36:50.340 Like Chicago, Midwest, a lot of the homes have basements, so you can kind of set up a—
00:36:55.680 Earthquakes, no earthquakes, right?
00:36:56.620 Exactly.
00:36:57.200 Can I kind of help you to put that in there?
00:36:58.940 You know, tornadoes, no tornadoes.
00:37:00.780 Right.
00:37:01.060 California doesn't have that either.
00:37:02.720 But, you know, some of the homes you go to in Texas, you're like, yeah, we have a safe room here.
00:37:06.340 We have this.
00:37:06.840 And you go into, you're like, wow, what for?
00:37:08.360 In case, you know, there's a lot of tornadoes here, you've got to be prepared for it, and you're seeing it.
00:37:13.240 And I sometimes wonder if there's a level of effectiveness to spending that $20,000, $30,000 to put that in your home,
00:37:19.080 or no real reason to put it in there.
00:37:21.460 The other thing would be safe.
00:37:22.860 Where is a good place to put your safe in your home?
00:37:25.840 Is there any place you would say is a good place to put it?
00:37:28.180 I would say anytime you're trying to hide anything, you put it in the place where no one's going to look.
00:37:34.200 And for—depending on a home or where you live, you know, sometimes that's in plain sight, you know,
00:37:40.020 because, let's say, a bad guy going after the safe, you know, I don't know what the odds are in that anymore,
00:37:49.980 to be honest with you.
00:37:51.660 Most of your violent intruders or people that come for your stuff, right?
00:37:55.740 So two kinds of intruders.
00:37:57.800 There's the guys that come for your stuff, and there's the ones that come for you.
00:38:00.740 The ones that come for you tend to come at night.
00:38:02.720 The ones that come for your stuff come during the day while you're at work.
00:38:05.660 And most of your neighborhood is gone during the day, so that's the best time to come take your stuff.
00:38:09.920 And they've got more time.
00:38:11.820 They've got all day to sit there and pillage through your stuff.
00:38:14.760 But a safe in itself, I mean, put it in a place where no one's going to look.
00:38:21.100 When I think about hiding a safe in a more traditional, it's like, okay, the master room closet.
00:38:26.920 No one will look there, right?
00:38:29.640 Or I'm going to put it in a recessed place in a wall behind a picture.
00:38:35.660 That might still work these days, right?
00:38:37.440 I mean, especially if you've got a lot of pictures, that's going to eat up a lot of time for that guy to find the one picture with the safe behind it.
00:38:43.120 Or even better yet, put a safe behind every picture in your house, but only put your good stuff in one of them.
00:38:49.460 So that they are like, what the hell?
00:38:51.520 We've got a hundred safes to figure out.
00:38:53.100 It's a good budget right there.
00:38:54.140 Yeah, there you go.
00:38:54.820 Let them go through it.
00:38:55.780 How easy is it to break into safes nowadays?
00:38:57.820 You see these videos about how to break into a safe.
00:38:59.740 Do you trust the credibility of having a safe where a guy that's trying to break into it, you know, it's very slim to none?
00:39:08.280 I think that's an art that has come and gone, first of all.
00:39:12.240 To manipulate a lock open takes a great deal of skill, okay?
00:39:17.900 And so that's more of a locksmithing, father-to-son trait that's been passed on for generations.
00:39:24.920 So I don't think that's going to be going on, but there are auto dialers that you can buy off Amazon that will sit there and dial every combination possible over time.
00:39:34.120 And if the auto dialer gets lucky, the lock will open early.
00:39:38.580 But if it happens to dial the last combination last in the auto dialing series, that could be eight hours later.
00:39:46.160 So is a bad guy going to rely on that kind of odds to get into your safe?
00:39:51.560 Probably not.
00:39:52.280 Now, will he just grab the thing and yank it out of the wall or try to pull it out, take it home, and then spend a week getting it open?
00:39:59.740 Yes, right?
00:40:01.020 So if you're going to have a safe, make sure it's permanently bolted to something so that it makes it difficult to leave.
00:40:08.160 And then once again, make sure the combination on it is more than, you know, four to, more than four characters typically on a manipulation lock.
00:40:18.020 These days, you've got biometrics that can open it, which is great.
00:40:22.580 Just make sure it passes the gummy bear test, meaning you put your fingerprint on a gummy bear, put the gummy bear on that biometrics.
00:40:29.820 And there have been some very cheap biometrics that will open with the gummy bear fingerprint, you know.
00:40:37.040 So make sure it passes the gummy bear test.
00:40:39.640 But another important final piece to safes is you have safes that are meant to be secure, and then you have safes that are meant to protect your stuff during a fire.
00:40:49.580 So if something is good at protecting from a fire, it's not necessarily safe.
00:40:55.380 And a safe that's good at keeping people out isn't necessarily great for a fire, right?
00:41:00.880 So you have to keep that in mind.
00:41:02.400 Yeah, that's a good point.
00:41:03.320 Right.
00:41:03.680 So if you're going to buy a safe, you have to really go with, all right, what are the odds?
00:41:08.700 Or altogether, don't put your valuables at home.
00:41:11.500 Keep them somewhere else.
00:41:12.540 Clint, are you a fan of getting your license to carry?
00:41:15.560 The average citizen to get a license to carry, like actually taking a course, going through the process?
00:41:21.040 I am, I think.
00:41:22.320 But once again, you need to be proficient with that weapon, right?
00:41:27.220 You need to put yourself through your own personal quarterly, you know, or as many times a year training, whether that be instruction from others, you know, experts in the community, or even just going to the range and shooting.
00:41:43.740 But more importantly, if you're going to carry, to this day, before I walk out of the house, I practice drawing.
00:41:50.500 Because that's the one thing most people don't do.
00:41:53.460 Literally.
00:41:54.460 Yeah.
00:41:54.940 Like, I have a mirror in my house, and I will, like, draw at least five times before I walk out of the house.
00:42:01.280 Natural for you.
00:42:02.080 You do this every day.
00:42:02.800 Just muscle memory, just get, you know, making sure that your hands, biomechanics is a big deal, and under stress, your body's going to rely on muscle memory.
00:42:13.460 And if you've never done that, and then all of a sudden you're going to go grab that gun, your gun's going to fly out of your hand, or the holster is going to be on the end of the gun.
00:42:21.860 So, by doing that, it allows you to walk through all of those little issues that you could find as you first start drawing, like the holster flying off, or the gun flying out of your hand, or your magazine falling out because you didn't have it seated properly.
00:42:34.700 I mean, there's a hundred things that can go wrong when you draw that weapon.
00:42:36.720 That is very true.
00:42:37.780 So, draw, draw, draw.
00:42:40.040 Be proficient.
00:42:40.760 If you're not going to do any of that stuff, do not carry a gun, because no one wants anyone out there carrying a gun.
00:42:46.560 You don't.
00:42:47.300 Somebody who knows how to use it, you don't want them out there that don't know how to carry a gun.
00:42:51.980 No, right.
00:42:53.300 The point being is a lot of people go get a conceal permit, and then never go shoot.
00:42:57.980 Just because you have a conceal permit does not mean you should be shooting that gun unless you are proficient with that weapon.
00:43:06.060 Once a quarter go, because in the military, I don't remember how often we went to the range.
00:43:10.000 Was it once a quarter, or was it once a year you went to the range?
00:43:12.280 I don't remember the exact number, but you have to go and requalify regularly.
00:43:15.320 Yeah, you should be, at the end of the day, you should be drawing and dry firing on a regular pace, right?
00:43:21.480 You can sit there in your house, draw that weapon, and shoot at the television, right?
00:43:26.420 No bullets, just dry fire.
00:43:29.540 And that will do more for you than shooting paper at a range, you know?
00:43:35.100 Good places to hide your guns at the house in case somebody breaks in.
00:43:39.560 Any specific spots, or is it the same typical under, you know, the TV set that's holding it?
00:43:45.040 Any specific places you have?
00:43:46.820 Because especially for a family who's got kids, anything you know from experience?
00:43:50.900 Yeah, I always tell people access is the priority.
00:43:56.620 Access is the priority.
00:43:58.560 Being able to get to it is more important than that actual concealment factor.
00:44:03.840 We talk about, yeah, I've got to hide it here, hide it there.
00:44:07.340 But the reality is, when you put it in all these hiding places, that's not exactly convenient when you actually need it.
00:44:12.960 Especially in a, you know, life-threatening moment, you certainly don't want it.
00:44:20.400 You don't want layers of things in the way in order for you to grab that weapon.
00:44:24.440 So, be smart, you know, there's a lot of quick-access digital biometric gun safes that you can actually put right into a drawer.
00:44:33.100 You can bolt it to your nightstand.
00:44:35.660 At least that way, it's right there, the safe, and then all you've got to do is put your fingers on it, and it opens, and you grab your gun and go.
00:44:43.020 I think access to the gun is more important than the concealment part.
00:44:47.080 If you have kids, then your access is going to be out of arm's reach of a child, right?
00:44:53.420 So, I can grab a gun from the top of my dresser on top of it because I know that my kids or kids visiting my home can't reach that spot, right?
00:45:04.140 So, you've just got to, it's common sense, but, you know, we both know common sense isn't so common these days.
00:45:09.000 No doubt about it. Absolutely. I agree.
00:45:11.240 That's why I wanted to ask you, do you carry yourself regularly or no?
00:45:14.300 Are you usually carrying?
00:45:15.280 I do carry regularly, yeah. I mean, I practice what I preach as much as I can, unless I'm getting on airplanes or, you know.
00:45:23.480 Any place you recommend here, any school you recommend here, anybody that you would endorse?
00:45:29.080 Most of the guys that I refer people to are, you know, all over the country.
00:45:34.500 Everybody tells me about the Vegas thing that's going on. You go there for three days. It's real intense.
00:45:40.300 Shooting courses. Out of state. Yeah, there's a bunch I could refer you to.
00:45:44.420 There's Dom Rosso. He is like the NRA's poster boy. He's a former command member where I was at, and that guy puts on a great course.
00:45:54.040 There's Ronin Tactics, who is a former CAG guy who does incredible stuff, and he's always traveling the country.
00:46:00.340 There's another guy up north. He's also traveling. All of them come to Texas every now and then, so it'd be a good idea to go to their websites, check out their dates, sign up for one of theirs.
00:46:11.300 But they're all tier one guys that are teaching you the no shit way to do it.
00:46:15.860 I like that.
00:46:16.300 Instead of kind of like, you know.
00:46:17.540 So, Clint, I saw some of the stuff you had to make weapons in an office if somebody wanted to.
00:46:22.860 I know I got your newspaper here. I got some duct tape. Well, it's not really the best kind of duct tape.
00:46:27.740 I got a coin and a sock. Show us a few things on what someone can do to make a weapon for themselves.
00:46:33.000 All right. Quickly out of these, the first thing that comes to mind is a newspaper bat.
00:46:36.740 Now, the newspaper bat was actually made popular by hooligans that used to go to soccer games overseas.
00:46:44.080 The security at soccer games overseas have become very, very good because those guys like to beat the shit out of each other when someone loses, right?
00:46:52.680 So, the security has learned to really actually pat people down, make sure no weapons are coming in.
00:46:57.720 So, what do these guys do? They start bringing newspapers.
00:46:59.500 Because if you take 10 pages of a newspaper or more and you open it up like so, and we're going to do this very quickly just for you here,
00:47:10.040 and then you roll it diagonally, and the idea is to get as much air out of your future bat as possible.
00:47:20.580 So, we're going to start and we're going to get it nice and tight.
00:47:23.140 As much air out.
00:47:24.480 As much air out.
00:47:25.400 Okay.
00:47:26.380 All right. So, get it going.
00:47:28.240 We're not doing a good job, but you get the point.
00:47:37.060 So, they literally do this in Europe.
00:47:39.180 They used to do this in Europe.
00:47:40.540 Now, I'm pretty sure they don't even let newspapers in anymore because of this technique.
00:47:44.600 And then you give it a good old fold.
00:47:46.960 Now, if you happen to have, you know, a good old duct tape, what's great is it can hold it in place and increase its density for you.
00:47:54.020 When we talk about, you know, arm swinging, right?
00:48:00.300 An arm swinging, like a punch, is usually like 25 miles per hour.
00:48:05.420 As soon as you put something in your hand, depending on who you are, your strength, your flexibility, mobility, and your joints,
00:48:13.140 you can now get up to about 50 miles an hour with whether it's a newspaper bat like this, right?
00:48:20.400 And to get hit, put your hand out, to get hit with something like that.
00:48:25.080 You totally feel it.
00:48:26.360 You actually feel it.
00:48:27.840 There's no joke, right?
00:48:29.600 Holy moly.
00:48:30.740 You totally feel it.
00:48:31.500 You can hurt somebody with this.
00:48:32.780 Yeah.
00:48:33.220 It would.
00:48:33.820 Wow.
00:48:34.240 It certainly could knock somebody out, and it's just a newspaper.
00:48:37.240 If you want to take it to the next level, roller quarters, you know, these days it's rare to come by this stuff, right?
00:48:45.400 Change has slowly gone away.
00:48:46.820 Heck, cash is not even really available these days, right?
00:48:50.060 We all carry cards, and we pay for stuff with our phones.
00:48:52.160 But, number one, you can put it in your hand, increase density, helps increase velocity, just makes your punch have a little more, you know, oomph to it.
00:49:01.760 Yeah, that's right.
00:49:02.120 Yeah, there you go.
00:49:02.500 Yes.
00:49:03.260 Or, once again, if you want to increase the velocity substantially, you throw it in a sock, and now you can really hurt someone.
00:49:12.480 I mean, this is an improvised sap, really, at the end of the day.
00:49:15.420 The beauty of this is if you're a traveler traveling abroad, it's always good to have change overseas because they're still taking change at tolls overseas.
00:49:24.800 They're still taking change at parking meters.
00:49:27.500 So, it's good to have change in a sock.
00:49:30.360 You separate these two, and you're not carrying a weapon, right?
00:49:33.420 A bandana, also something you can carry, but if you were to take a fishing weight and place it in the center and then roll it up, an 8-ounce fishing weight is great.
00:49:45.760 You're still going to feel it, 8-ounce.
00:49:47.060 Oh, you're going to feel it.
00:49:48.100 8-ounce is going to knock someone out.
00:49:50.620 So, you have to be careful with, you know, any kind of improvised weapon, especially if you're playing around for fun because, let's face it, you just saw a newspaper.
00:49:58.400 A newspaper can be dangerous enough to give someone a concussion and certainly knock them out.
00:50:03.520 But, if you're in a bind, they certainly could potentially save a life.
00:50:09.040 If you're in a bind.
00:50:10.180 If you're in a bind.
00:50:11.020 Taking a newspaper and turning it into a weapon.
00:50:13.080 There you go.
00:50:14.080 So, a couple things with you.
00:50:16.380 You've talked about elections.
00:50:18.320 You've talked about some of the hacking stuff with China.
00:50:21.200 How are you viewing somebody that was in on how some of these other countries look at us?
00:50:26.860 Right now, if we look at what's going on with the economy, I'm on the finance side, so I see what's going on with the trade wars.
00:50:32.160 We look at what's going on with sanctions with Iran.
00:50:34.240 We see what's going on with Venezuela, the Brexit, all of this stuff.
00:50:37.920 From your standpoint of regimes and powers, how do you view how China looks at U.S., from your experience?
00:50:47.840 I think we all know that it's a symbiotic relationship, right?
00:50:51.700 To a certain degree, we need them, and they definitely need us.
00:50:55.360 Economically, I'm not up to date probably as much as you are on the interest rates over there, but we know that they are slowly going under.
00:51:07.380 I'm talking businesses that were thriving just a couple of years ago.
00:51:12.280 But I do think that they are still a threat regardless of that relationship of us needing them and them needing us, mainly because of the numbers, right?
00:51:24.580 They've got a lot of people, and I always think of like the Red Dawn situation, right?
00:51:30.440 How easy would it be for them to put 100 million people, which is a very small portion of their population, with parachutes on their back and fill our skies, right?
00:51:42.140 Whereas 100 million people is a third of our population, right?
00:51:46.560 That's the kind of, they've got the numbers.
00:51:48.740 Now, do they have the infrastructure?
00:51:50.420 No.
00:51:50.980 I tell people all the time, the easy way to determine the economy of a country is look at the satellite imagery of the Earth at night, right?
00:52:01.920 The infrastructure is defined by the number of lights on in people's homes.
00:52:07.240 And then you look at the Earth, night, all the lights on in Europe, it's bright.
00:52:14.680 You look at America, the whole country's lit up.
00:52:17.760 Now, you go over to China, there's not much light, right?
00:52:21.660 You go over to Russia, there's not much light.
00:52:24.460 So, if you really want to understand a country's economy at its simplest, is just look at how many lights on are at night.
00:52:32.880 Here, we can afford to leave our lights on 24-7, and everybody has access to electricity.
00:52:40.000 But that's not the same when you look at Africa, China, Russia.
00:52:44.500 So, when you get scared about the economics, just look at their infrastructure through pictures.
00:52:50.160 What a simple way of looking at it, though.
00:52:51.960 And you look at my books.
00:52:52.920 I like pictures, right?
00:52:53.780 So, all my books have pictures because, really, that's just, and for me, it's simple.
00:52:58.160 I'm not that smart of a guy.
00:52:59.360 But you look at the Earth at night, you look at the infrastructure, and in itself, just that alone defines a country's economy.
00:53:06.700 But you know how every country has a certain way that will, like for me, I was born during a revolution,
00:53:14.820 so there's a certain level of rage sometimes that you meet in Middle East and from Iran
00:53:18.500 because what they've overcome is the fear of another person taking over control of all this other stuff, right?
00:53:23.780 You see somebody who escapes Russia from the communistic regime, you'll typically see them where sometimes they're like,
00:53:31.700 well, I don't know, listen, sometimes in Russia you had to break the law to make money when the communism was there
00:53:36.280 because we couldn't tell everybody.
00:53:37.500 So, it's like you've got to learn to keep secrets.
00:53:39.360 You don't tell everybody your business.
00:53:41.120 You see somebody from China, maybe when they first come, your first generation, hey, you have to listen to everything the government says.
00:53:45.880 Don't push the envelope, then do this.
00:53:47.620 Sometimes these are folks that tell you, this is the community I'm coming from.
00:53:51.660 But I'm more talking about from the standpoint of their aspirations, of who they want to be.
00:53:55.840 I heard you say somewhere, I think it was in some kind of an interview or talk you were given where you said,
00:54:01.320 they will either meddle with our elections or they will spy on us, and then five years later they'll tell us,
00:54:07.020 oh, by the way, we're planning on doing this or something like that.
00:54:09.420 What were you referencing with China when you talked about that?
00:54:12.040 Do you remember that?
00:54:12.660 I think what that was relating to is we usually don't detect them in our networks.
00:54:22.160 They've usually been in our networks to upwards to five years, five years they've been there.
00:54:29.140 When you say they've been in our networks, what do you mean by that?
00:54:31.840 That is, I'm talking if you're a company, if you're a Fortune 500 that deals in technology and you've got intellectual property,
00:54:41.320 then the potential of them being inside your network, right, your cyber world, your intranet,
00:54:47.860 that is securing all of your secrets as a company, there has been times where when the investigation comes later on,
00:54:56.700 they realize that they've been in there for five years before they were actually caught.
00:55:01.100 And I think that's what you were kind of referring to.
00:55:02.920 And that's what I'm saying is a lot of times when you talk about hackers in the cyber world,
00:55:10.700 they are on the offense, which puts us always on the defense.
00:55:15.300 They are always creating the ways to get in, and then we are always playing catch-up on creating ways to keep them out.
00:55:22.320 They as China or they as hackers?
00:55:24.120 They as hackers.
00:55:25.040 Okay, got it.
00:55:25.520 Yeah, I mean, geopolitically, we know that there are state-sponsored hacking going on, but at the end of the day, it's hacking.
00:55:31.940 Now, a lot of times they're hacking and collecting all this information, and you're like, what are they doing with it, right?
00:55:38.180 OPM.
00:55:39.180 You heard about OPM, the Office of Personnel Management for the government.
00:55:43.340 You know, I was one of those guys that got a letter from the Department of Defense that said,
00:55:48.740 oh, hey, by the way, when the Chinese hacked OPM, you were one of the people that they collected all your information, right?
00:55:55.080 My personnel jacket, you know, potential medical information.
00:55:59.740 I mean, you name it, it's in there.
00:56:01.040 Why do they want to know stuff on you?
00:56:02.320 Well, that is definitely the multimillion-billion-dollar question.
00:56:06.340 And I think, I mean, in my small little brain, it's like, well, if we just collect, collect, collect,
00:56:13.040 and then they aggregate all that information and put it into all these different little folders,
00:56:17.600 you know, maybe one day someone that's running, you know, for a certain political office, you know,
00:56:24.760 10, 20 years from now, well, they've already got a whole bunch of information on them
00:56:28.820 that might not be exactly something that person wants out, you know?
00:56:33.100 Do you think it's that deep?
00:56:34.160 Do you think they're going to that level?
00:56:35.300 I just...
00:56:36.020 That's pretty deep.
00:56:37.420 Strategically, I always kind of think, like, eh, what would they do with my information, right?
00:56:41.300 I fully get that because there's an aspect of control and influence and being able to sell that to somebody else.
00:56:47.320 I mean, that's the whole, you know, conspiracy you're hearing about why Epstein was...
00:56:53.200 Was he killed?
00:56:53.900 Was he not?
00:56:54.520 I mean, you know, I asked Sammy de Bocavano.
00:56:56.380 I said, is there any way that he could have been killed?
00:56:58.840 He says, the section there, if he's staying at the place I'm thinking of, it's very tough to commit suicide.
00:57:03.180 It's not easy because the ceilings are not high.
00:57:05.260 He's explaining this whole thing.
00:57:06.340 But the fact is, Epstein had so much information on everybody else because all the people that would go with him on the island, he knew the name.
00:57:12.960 So people were not wanting this guy to have access to that information because he can potentially disclose the info to essentially get immunity.
00:57:20.260 Like, hey, leave me alone.
00:57:21.100 I'll disclose everyone info, kind of leave me alone.
00:57:23.640 But do you think there is the meddling going on with election?
00:57:26.840 Do you think this is something that's continuously happening?
00:57:28.820 I think it's very possible because, I mean, I think the investigation proved that ads were paid for by foreign entities.
00:57:39.240 And those ads popping up on Facebook and Instagram or articles that weren't real, you know, that you have a large number of people that leverage social media for news.
00:57:53.880 And when they read it, they believe it.
00:57:55.940 And then the reality is, is no, it's not.
00:57:58.820 And I can only base this on my personal experiences.
00:58:01.800 When I was in the military, and if there was something I was part of that made the news, 85% of it was exaggerated, wrong, or wasn't even close to being accurate.
00:58:11.800 And now that I'm out and it's all I have to go by, I look at it and I go, well, probably 50% to 85% of what we're seeing isn't exactly accurate, right?
00:58:21.780 It's all about clicks these days.
00:58:23.820 It's all about sponsorships, advertising, marketing.
00:58:27.540 You know, we know the deal, right?
00:58:29.040 But the average person doesn't know that.
00:58:31.620 And so they're led astray through what they get off social media when, you know, they just need a little bit of education that what you see on there isn't necessarily true.
00:58:43.320 That is true.
00:58:44.620 And, you know, you wonder if it's, because I think this one's going to be a very ugly election the next 12 months.
00:58:49.940 I foresee this one being uglier than the last one, and the last one was already ugly.
00:58:54.660 And marketers are just getting better and better and better at it.
00:58:58.180 So it's going to be interesting to see what happens with this election coming up.
00:59:02.700 So let's talk a little bit about your new book that's coming up, The Right Kind of Crazy.
00:59:06.080 So what is The Right Kind of Crazy?
00:59:08.740 You know, that's a title we toyed with, right?
00:59:12.400 There's definitely the wrong kind of crazy, which you don't want to be.
00:59:16.120 The Right Kind of Crazy, I think, describes a lot of people who go in the service, right?
00:59:21.500 They have a taste for risk.
00:59:24.900 They know they want to travel.
00:59:26.740 They know they want to do bad things to bad people.
00:59:29.620 I think there's a lot of reasons, especially these days, or especially after 9-11, why people join the military and want to go overseas.
00:59:41.380 And it does take a certain amount of crazy for people to jump out of planes, put themselves in harm's way, get in firefights, blow things up, right?
00:59:50.220 So it's The Right Kind of Crazy that is what we need and is what we should desire to go against our adversaries overseas.
00:59:57.500 So that's more of an umbrella kind of term.
00:59:59.840 It doesn't necessarily apply to me.
01:00:01.160 It applies to anyone serving.
01:00:03.560 And that's The Right Kind of Crazy.
01:00:05.020 But built into that is that even though you have this whole professional life of risk, what this book proves is that some of that risk can spill over into your personal life.
01:00:15.980 It's almost automatic because when you are living and breathing the special operator life, which is nothing but risk 24-7 in training and overseas, then sometimes you end up inevitably taking risks in your personal life that could be characteristic of not such a good or great guy, right?
01:00:39.080 Is that because you think you can get away with it and it's kind of like the itch to say, I know I can do this and get away with it.
01:00:46.400 It's kind of like another project.
01:00:47.800 Or is it just the environment of what you're around for too long of a time bleeds into you?
01:00:53.600 I think it's a little bit of both.
01:00:55.140 Okay.
01:00:55.260 I think both are one and the same is that you're living on the edge in one environment.
01:01:04.200 And then in the other, you're supposed to be this law-abiding citizen, right?
01:01:08.580 And the two really don't match because when we go overseas, we are breaking every law.
01:01:14.520 We don't stop at checkpoints.
01:01:16.400 We do not stop for law enforcement, right?
01:01:19.160 And we're carrying guns when we're not supposed to be carrying guns in countries that we are not citizens of.
01:01:25.020 So when you really look at it that way, and now you come home, and all of a sudden you're supposed to follow all these rules.
01:01:31.520 It can be difficult because you're living and breathing that in order to stay alive.
01:01:35.120 And then in your personal lives, right?
01:01:36.840 You're overseas.
01:01:37.700 You're pushing the envelope.
01:01:39.020 Now you're pushing the envelope in your personal life.
01:01:42.280 And it can make for a nightmare in your marriage or personal relationships.
01:01:49.240 For some guys, it leads to substance abuse.
01:01:53.120 They end up going and finding something to fill that void that they're not getting because they're not at work right now.
01:02:00.540 And so to answer your question, yeah, you end up becoming a risky person.
01:02:05.880 But more than likely, if you went into that job, you already were that way to begin with, right?
01:02:10.140 That's interesting you're saying that because I think I heard you say in one of the places we are sociopaths is most guys who are willing to do what I'm doing as a Navy SEAL.
01:02:19.460 Most of us are off a little bit.
01:02:20.780 How did you describe that, like the wiring up?
01:02:22.980 I did.
01:02:23.660 In a jokative manner, I do think we, you know, you have the traits of a highly functional sociopath.
01:02:29.980 That was the word, yeah.
01:02:31.520 Meaning, you know, you're not going to have remorse about some of the things you do.
01:02:36.240 So really what that means is, hey, I don't have an emotional connection or a feeling of consequence to the things that I'm doing, right?
01:02:45.120 I'm going to go do it, and I'm going to succeed.
01:02:47.920 I'm going to win, and there are no other options, and I'm not going to feel one way or another about it.
01:02:54.040 And so whether you're born that way or there are traits that you slowly start to inherit once you're in it, in the military or in the special operations community, it really boils down your way of compartmentalizing the things you're doing so that they don't affect other things in your life.
01:03:13.640 But some guys have harder times of compartmentalizing it than others.
01:03:17.340 Favorite military movie?
01:03:19.160 I'm curious.
01:03:19.660 I got to say, man, Full Metal Jacket, that first half still just, it makes me laugh.
01:03:28.180 It makes me like, I mean, there are so many parts to that first half that I kind of relate to.
01:03:36.840 I admire the verbiage, the fact that every other word is fuck, because that just takes me back home.
01:03:45.640 Yes.
01:03:46.120 As you know, as a sailor and as a SEAL especially, that is definitely part of our daily vocabulary.
01:03:53.460 So I, yeah, I love that.
01:03:56.940 I love that.
01:03:57.120 How hard was it for you to stop saying it?
01:03:58.680 I mean, when you became civilian, was it hard to kind of, because, you know, when I got out, my buddy, when I started working at Bally's, manager pulls me aside.
01:04:06.120 He says, listen, I got to tell you, you can't curse this much.
01:04:09.920 I said, what are you talking about?
01:04:10.580 He says, I'm telling you, you cannot do this.
01:04:12.280 It's nonstop.
01:04:13.300 I said, I'm not cursing anybody.
01:04:15.160 It's an adjective.
01:04:16.480 This is how I've been speaking for the last three.
01:04:18.140 He says, you can't talk like that in this place here.
01:04:20.400 You know, you're not going to have a long career with them.
01:04:22.460 But was it hard for you to adjust from it?
01:04:24.400 Or was it just kind of a, you know, natural to know if the camera's on, you know, drop the F-bomb?
01:04:29.460 Yeah, it does come a little naturally.
01:04:32.020 When I find myself here with you, I'm not saying it.
01:04:35.840 When I'm around my daughter, I'm not saying it.
01:04:37.940 Yeah.
01:04:38.440 But every other aspect of my life, it just comes out as natural as the word the.
01:04:42.900 Yeah.
01:04:43.260 Yeah.
01:04:43.840 I mean, it's almost like a, I remember when we joined the Army, when I went to my unit,
01:04:50.300 I became the guy that would initiate new recruits.
01:04:53.780 And it was my favorite thing to do.
01:04:55.620 Some of the stuff I did was just terrible, but they knew it.
01:05:00.220 S1 would tell me, is it S1?
01:05:01.640 S1 would tell me that new recruiters here, perfect.
01:05:04.120 Chow Hall, sit them right in front of it.
01:05:05.480 David, they would sit in front of me, and we would start with all these pranks.
01:05:08.720 And some of the pranks we pulled on these guys were absolutely terrible to do.
01:05:13.340 That till today, I get messages on Facebook saying, I don't know if you remember this or not.
01:05:17.020 Do you remember that one time you did this with the Playboy magazine to me?
01:05:19.740 You took my clothes away, and you had, and I'm like, I'm so sorry, buddy.
01:05:23.520 It's been 22 years, but I remember that.
01:05:25.400 I apologize.
01:05:26.540 But these are some things we did back then.
01:05:28.340 But, you know, that whole culture of camaraderie, pranks, you know, it's a culture you miss when you leave.
01:05:34.580 It's tough to kind of find in the civilian world.
01:05:37.280 Did you ever have any challenges with the PTSD yourself, or not really?
01:05:40.660 That didn't have an effect on you.
01:05:43.140 You know, I dedicated a chapter to both hazing and also PTSD, which you could get from the other.
01:05:51.080 But, you know, I was one of those guys sitting in the squadron space when I was in, and I was making fun of the guys.
01:06:01.180 I definitely called it a crutch for a very long time, like, oh, these guys, whatever.
01:06:05.380 You know, they're just trying to basically get 100% disability, collect a check.
01:06:09.780 I felt like there was a lot of financial drive behind claims of PTSD.
01:06:16.400 And I shouldn't have, because I had a grandfather with it, an uncle with it, and I shouldn't have looked at it that way.
01:06:21.940 But for some reason, when you're in and you're active duty, you tend to kind of look at things, I would say, far more aggressive than when you get out.
01:06:30.660 But it wasn't until I got out that I found myself on my, you know, runs, you know, as a, I like to run.
01:06:41.680 So, but I would find myself getting lost in thoughts that would drop me on the spot emotionally.
01:06:50.000 I would stop.
01:06:51.100 I mean, because I would think about things that I had somehow, once again, compartmentalized, put it away, and just did not think about it.
01:06:58.760 And then it started coming more and more and more.
01:07:02.660 And the reality is, is when you live a life at 120 miles per hour, and you go from hero to zero when you retire, right, and you come to a screeching halt,
01:07:16.900 all that luggage has no place to go but hit you in the back of the head, right?
01:07:21.600 And so it hit me like a freight train.
01:07:24.680 The buddies that I lost and never went to a funeral.
01:07:28.760 You know, other tragic events that I had forgotten up to the point when I remembered it, right?
01:07:36.300 Years later, I'd go, holy crap, I'd totally forgotten about that.
01:07:40.160 But the bottom line is, I think that hero to zero, that transition period, you're very vulnerable.
01:07:46.540 And if you don't talk about it and let it all out to someone, it doesn't have to be a shrink.
01:07:54.840 Heck, it can be, you know, during an interview on a podcast.
01:07:57.600 But get it out so that you can continue moving forward and reinstate your hero status, even though you're a zero at that moment in time.
01:08:07.260 You know what I mean?
01:08:07.700 Is this in the last four years when you got out?
01:08:10.620 Yeah.
01:08:10.780 Or is this post when you got out is the moment you're running and you get emotional thinking about some of the stories?
01:08:16.560 Right.
01:08:16.920 You all of a sudden find yourself thinking about a guy, and then you realize, wait, he's dead.
01:08:21.120 Yeah.
01:08:21.280 Or it could be, you know, to this, you know, like a lot of guys in our cell phones, we have, you know, a lot of guys in there and you're scrolling along.
01:08:31.380 And all of a sudden you see that name of your buddy that you can't call anymore.
01:08:35.780 His phone number is still there.
01:08:36.980 His name is still there.
01:08:37.960 But he's dead, you know.
01:08:39.560 So it's weird.
01:08:41.200 Those moments creep up on you when you least expect it.
01:08:44.160 And then, but I feel like, you know, talking about it goes a long ways.
01:08:48.980 Yeah.
01:08:49.160 I agree.
01:08:49.880 Again, my buddy called me.
01:08:51.580 He told me, he says, Pat, I'm telling you, I'm dealing with PTSD.
01:08:54.580 And at first I'm like, what are you talking about?
01:08:56.600 You're a tough guy.
01:08:57.600 You're serious as bad.
01:08:58.380 I'm telling you.
01:08:59.360 This is really messing with my head.
01:09:01.380 And then one day I had a conversation.
01:09:02.740 It was late at night.
01:09:03.460 I had a conversation.
01:09:04.120 It went for an hour and a half.
01:09:04.820 I'm like, this guy's really having a tough time with this.
01:09:07.800 You know, I kind of put myself in a situation.
01:09:09.240 Now I get it.
01:09:10.460 He saw some stuff, somebody, some things like maybe I could have done better, you know, because some of those situations like the regret of saying, what if I could have done this better?
01:09:17.600 What if this?
01:09:18.320 What if that?
01:09:18.720 But, you know, it's interesting you describe it the way you do.
01:09:22.420 I definitely do know that there's a lot of good guys.
01:09:24.520 I was asking you about the local guys, Elite Meet, what they do.
01:09:28.920 They're heavily involved with Navy SEALs guys to help out with it.
01:09:32.460 Any other movies where you said this movie really, you know, is believable in the life of who you lived and what you did?
01:09:39.340 Oh, for what I did?
01:09:40.320 Yeah.
01:09:40.720 Oh, yeah.
01:09:41.420 I mean, Charlie Sheen and Navy SEALs.
01:09:43.520 I mean, come on.
01:09:44.560 You go old school.
01:09:45.660 You go old school.
01:09:46.620 You know, it's pretty funny.
01:09:48.420 There was a lot of SEALs that advised on that movie, and I think a couple of them were jumping out of the plane, you know, for some of those scenes.
01:09:54.260 It's funny when you go back and watch it now because that was coming out.
01:10:01.280 I believe I was in high school or college when I can't remember.
01:10:05.960 And I went and saw it, and I was like, wow, you know, because I've wanted to be a SEAL since I was 10 years old.
01:10:11.240 You knew it from TAT.
01:10:12.480 Yeah.
01:10:13.040 I'd met a SEAL in an airport, you know, when I was traveling abroad.
01:10:17.080 It turns out he wasn't a SEAL.
01:10:18.300 He's a total fraud.
01:10:19.300 And that's why.
01:10:19.940 There's this—I don't know who came up with it, but 360 to 1, fraud versus real, right?
01:10:27.580 So for every 360 guys out there saying they're a SEAL, one of them is actually legit.
01:10:33.780 Yeah, it's probably one of the most fraudulent occupations on the planet.
01:10:38.820 And it didn't help.
01:10:40.220 For a time there, Maxim Magazine was putting in this, who do you want to be at the bar thing?
01:10:46.360 I don't know if you saw that.
01:10:48.060 And so every month an issue would come out, and they'd have a full page, almost like infographic, right?
01:10:54.040 It'd have a drawing of some cool guy, and it'd say, this month when you go to the bar to pick up chicks, you can be—whatever.
01:11:01.040 One of those months was you can be a Navy SEAL.
01:11:04.040 Make up who you are, essentially, is what you're saying.
01:11:06.560 Right.
01:11:06.780 It was all about—it was just these short little things about how to pick up chicks, and this is who you are.
01:11:11.540 And I have to think that Maxim Magazine spawned the fraudulent guys that are out there these days.
01:11:17.540 Because you'd be surprised how many texts I get from people that go, hey, is this guy a SEAL?
01:11:21.680 Hey, is this a guy a SEAL?
01:11:22.600 And what these guys don't know is that we have a database that we can go to and search them, right?
01:11:30.060 And nine times out of ten, they are not in the database.
01:11:34.360 Wow.
01:11:34.540 Yeah.
01:11:35.000 And that's the guy who inspired you, though.
01:11:36.520 But it was a guy.
01:11:37.480 He was totally fake.
01:11:38.640 And then it wasn't until once I was in the military, asked around, did some research, and it turns out that everything he told me was just all bullshit.
01:11:47.660 Yeah.
01:11:47.840 So we were on a flight, and Mario, you remember this lady sits next to me.
01:11:52.580 Did you go there as well or no?
01:11:53.880 Mario is sitting.
01:11:54.860 This lady is like, so what is it?
01:11:56.480 Because we're going on a flight, and it was one of those flights where you had to get down at the tarmac, and you walked.
01:12:01.920 There was two planes.
01:12:02.860 Okay.
01:12:02.980 So one is going to Santa Barbara.
01:12:04.460 One is going to Phoenix.
01:12:05.880 So we know we're going on the right one to go to Phoenix.
01:12:07.880 So we go to one in Phoenix, and there's a lady sitting next to me, and a lady sitting next to Mario, and I said, man, I can't wait to get to Santa Barbara.
01:12:15.920 This is going to be a good trip.
01:12:17.260 And the lady's like, what do you mean?
01:12:18.440 This is going to Santa Barbara?
01:12:19.400 Mario, without hesitation.
01:12:20.480 I'm like, yeah, this one's going to Santa Barbara.
01:12:21.980 It's like, we're on the wrong flight.
01:12:24.300 And then she starts talking.
01:12:25.720 I'm like, so what do you do for a living?
01:12:26.760 He says, I'm military.
01:12:27.640 And then she became all emotional.
01:12:29.880 Like, listen, thank you for your service.
01:12:31.620 Oh, yeah.
01:12:32.120 And then Mario's like, I'm feeling bad.
01:12:34.100 I'm not.
01:12:34.520 I'm just kidding with you.
01:12:35.900 Yeah, see how easy it is?
01:12:38.940 How easy it is, yeah, to experience that.
01:12:40.740 But that was a whole different prank situation that led to Mario's.
01:12:43.500 And I got to tell you, I'm not.
01:12:44.540 I'm just, I'm in marketing.
01:12:45.900 I run an insurance company.
01:12:47.540 Anyways, yesterday we were sitting there watching a few good men.
01:12:51.080 You know, the scene where he's like, hey, tell me the truth, et cetera, et cetera.
01:12:53.700 And you go back and forth.
01:12:54.780 And Jack Nicholson said, if I told you the truth, you wouldn't believe it.
01:12:57.620 In my world, you can't handle the truth.
01:12:59.560 That whole scene.
01:13:00.620 I asked my dad this question.
01:13:02.160 I'm curious to know what you say about it.
01:13:03.360 Do you think he had a point to say, you need somebody like me to lead the military?
01:13:10.260 Because if you really know how ugly it was, you wouldn't be able to do this job.
01:13:14.420 Do you think partially he is right to do the job that Jack Nicholson was doing?
01:13:18.400 Essentially, being a commander, a Marine, there are some decisions you're going to have to make
01:13:22.060 that's going to be tough.
01:13:22.900 Do you agree with that part of it?
01:13:24.200 Completely.
01:13:24.740 Yeah.
01:13:24.920 I think you need guys like that that make the hard decisions, like he said.
01:13:32.380 And on top of that, act on them, right?
01:13:35.160 And that's the part that, you know, a lot of the people on the outside watching, you know,
01:13:40.980 kind of the fishbowl effect and armchair quarterbacks that don't get that part, right?
01:13:46.460 I mean, there are a lot of decisions that you certainly have to make, a lot of times
01:13:53.160 under stress, that you at the time are hoping is the right one.
01:13:58.640 And then when it's all said and done, you go, okay, good.
01:14:00.660 That was right.
01:14:02.120 But there's always the potential for it to be the wrong one.
01:14:04.980 And it can't necessarily always be, you know, that person's fault because let's face it,
01:14:11.360 I mean, the circumstances sometimes are overwhelming and you're just happy to have gotten through
01:14:17.640 it, you know, and gotten through it alive.
01:14:20.140 But on the battlefield, I mean, for a long time, anything goes.
01:14:26.740 And then attorneys got involved, right?
01:14:31.740 Yeah, attorneys play a big role on what you can and can't do now, no matter what the operation
01:14:38.320 is, unfortunately.
01:14:40.200 And so the movie wasn't all that inaccurate because it's an attorney, right, putting this
01:14:45.820 decision maker that makes decisions under stress and in war on the stand.
01:14:51.440 And in reality, it is attorneys that drive rules of engagement and what we can and can't
01:14:57.720 do overseas in real life.
01:14:59.460 Yeah, I mean, it's when I would talk to the old school guys in the military, you know,
01:15:05.580 guys who had been there for 30 years and I'm 18 and like, yeah, let me tell you how this
01:15:08.800 army was.
01:15:09.540 You know, it's for sissies today.
01:15:10.840 When I ran, it was this.
01:15:12.540 And it would tell some stories where like, wait a minute, literally like this is, yeah,
01:15:16.420 that's how it was before.
01:15:17.840 So, wow.
01:15:18.540 I mean, that's it's tough to believe on how much tougher was partially some of the stuff
01:15:24.000 that they're doing probably is good today to make it what it is.
01:15:26.820 But some of the stuff they're doing, you can't really toughen up.
01:15:29.660 I believe you can't toughen up soldiers like you once did because you got to be very careful
01:15:33.720 what you tell them nowadays, because if you don't, you know, they could come back and
01:15:36.480 say, wait a minute, this is he made me feel uncomfortable.
01:15:39.380 He made me feel unsafe.
01:15:40.560 There's some of that going on today, which I don't know how you can control that.
01:15:44.320 But, you know, sometimes you need to give the drill sergeant the flexibility to be tough
01:15:48.800 on people.
01:15:49.300 But it's not as flexible as it once used to be.
01:15:52.320 I agree.
01:15:52.800 And it's unfortunate.
01:15:53.540 We talked about this briefly.
01:15:54.600 Joker, what was your takeaway from the movie Joker?
01:15:57.960 Joker, I thought as a performance, man, I thought he did a great job performance wise.
01:16:06.220 Did he bring to life into our to today's reality how mental health can certainly go from
01:16:15.840 something not that aggressive, right?
01:16:18.380 His mental health issue wasn't something that was threatening until people started pushing
01:16:23.760 certain buttons and then it flipped and he became a murderer, right?
01:16:29.120 So I thought it was good in terms of shining a light on how mental health and the people
01:16:35.280 that have it can certainly be triggered or flipped by a lot of people, you know, that
01:16:42.440 they're like people they're surrounded by that could potentially be rude, be inconsiderate,
01:16:48.380 or just not understand.
01:16:49.560 I think we just have to remember that.
01:16:52.260 And I think that's what the movie shined a light on is you just never know what a person
01:16:56.200 is truly dealing with, right?
01:16:58.400 And it doesn't take much for some people with mental health to flip that switch.
01:17:04.220 All of our jobs these days, especially, is we don't necessarily need to flip somebody's
01:17:08.980 switch just because you need to say something rude or you just need to get it off your back
01:17:13.220 or you need to have the last words or you just feel like insulting someone, whatever
01:17:16.980 that is.
01:17:17.640 And trust me, me being from an alpha male world, we all want to say stuff to people.
01:17:24.280 Do you have a routine nowadays?
01:17:25.520 You know, you're a different age today than when you were first and I have my own system
01:17:28.900 that I try to tap into.
01:17:30.540 What's your system to kind of calm your nerves down in that moment?
01:17:34.440 I think it's more of an internal de-escalation.
01:17:37.720 It's like I ask myself, really, is it worth it?
01:17:40.420 Am I being a good representation for my daughter, you know, by acting like an idiot?
01:17:47.560 No.
01:17:48.320 So I usually, if I think about, you know, my daughter or the people I care about most,
01:17:54.560 it brings you down a couple of notches.
01:17:56.420 Or is it worth going to jail for?
01:17:58.760 Because these days we know that even if you do the slightest thing that comes off
01:18:03.060 potentially violent, then yeah, you're going to...
01:18:06.120 I mean, I'm a big Joaquin Phoenix guy.
01:18:08.360 I think he's one of the most incredible actors we have today.
01:18:12.200 I like his interviews a lot when he does interviews with David Letterman said,
01:18:15.700 I'm going to go into hip hop.
01:18:16.720 Or if you ever want to entertain yourself, you just go watch Joaquin Phoenix's interview.
01:18:20.880 He says the most random things.
01:18:22.180 I was confused whether he was aligned with Heath Ledger.
01:18:27.980 That's the part that for me was a disconnect.
01:18:30.420 I didn't feel that a brilliant mind like Heath Ledger who can run the underworld the way he did,
01:18:36.860 who could put strategies together, I didn't believe the Joaquin Phoenix Joker could be him.
01:18:44.540 No.
01:18:44.680 I didn't think he was that guy where I'm like, this guy's a genius.
01:18:47.860 Because Heath Ledger to me comes across as brilliant, as a genius.
01:18:52.700 And Joaquin came across to me as, watch what I'm going to do to you.
01:18:57.380 Revenge, fine.
01:18:58.720 But to take it to that level, I didn't feel that strategic part of it.
01:19:02.040 And then I also thought it was a very divisive message.
01:19:04.160 I think the last thing we need is a message like that today in America.
01:19:06.720 It was all about dividing the rich and the poor where, you know, some of the theaters in New York
01:19:11.480 where the rich people were getting shot, the people in the theater were cheering them on,
01:19:15.560 and they wrote an article about it, well, you guys got to kind of calm yourself down.
01:19:18.660 I thought it was a movie that divided the nation more.
01:19:23.580 I think we need a little bit of more Rocky movies today.
01:19:26.320 You know, Rocky 4, where Rocky said, look, if he can change, I can change.
01:19:30.120 If you can change, we can all change.
01:19:32.580 We need a little bit of synergist today.
01:19:34.960 We need a little bit more Rocky today and a little less Joker today.
01:19:37.880 That's my opinion, though.
01:19:39.280 I'll leave it at that.
01:19:40.460 Final thoughts here before we finish off the interview here with you.
01:19:43.920 What are your final thoughts with your book, with your next projects you're working on,
01:19:49.640 with how people can find you, what projects you work on with CEOs, executives, companies who hire you?
01:19:55.560 Tell us a little bit about that.
01:19:57.380 Yeah, I think I try to maintain one lane, and that lane is crisis management, emergency preparedness.
01:20:06.700 That's it.
01:20:07.140 And so 100 Deadly Skills, like we've touched on, certainly gives good people what you would call bad guy skills, right?
01:20:15.960 It's important for people to know how to be more self-reliant, more self-rescue capable, and that's ultimately the goal.
01:20:23.280 Now, with my company, Escape the Wolf, that is really going into corporations and building OSHA-compliant policies that also hold up in court,
01:20:34.160 that proves that they are providing a safe work environment, and acts as an anchor so that you can train the workforce.
01:20:40.880 So we build custom videos.
01:20:43.280 We have already pre-made packaged videos that can deploy onto their servers, and they can get their people trained in a smart way,
01:20:51.520 giving them just the information they need to know, and not without all the other data that is the reason why people get bored during their online training at work.
01:21:01.780 We try to keep ours very entertaining, but yet informative.
01:21:05.700 So in a nutshell, you know, it's all about getting people to take some ownership in their own personal security and safety,
01:21:14.380 both at work and also at home.
01:21:18.000 And that's really it in a nutshell.
01:21:20.280 And people can go to EscapetheWolf.com if they're interested in us coming in and helping them and their organization,
01:21:28.140 or they can go to ClintEmmerson.com for the rest of my ecosystem of things I've got going on.
01:21:34.620 And with that being said, brother, thanks for coming out and doing this interview with us.
01:21:37.560 Thank you.
01:21:37.660 I really enjoyed it.
01:21:38.320 Thanks for having me.
01:21:38.800 Very insightful.
01:21:39.640 Great hanging out with you.
01:21:40.280 I cannot be a bad guy if I wanted to.
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01:22:06.120 Take care, everybody.
01:22:06.860 Bye-bye.