Valuetainment - Episode 422： Greatest Bodybuilder of All Time Opens Up - Ronnie Coleman

00:00:00.000 I'm Patrick, I'm your host of Value Team, and today I'm sitting down with, some say,

00:00:25.840 the greatest bodybuilder of all time, Ronnie Coleman, eight-time Mr. Olympia, the only

00:00:32.260 other person that's got eight times Mr. Olympia is Lee Haney, but today we're sitting down with

00:00:37.360 Ronnie Coleman, and we cover a lot of different things together. Ronnie, thanks for coming out,

00:00:41.380 man. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure having you. I know we've had Phil before, we've had

00:00:45.840 Dorian Yates before, and then Curry and I said, we got to get Ronnie, so you're out here now.

00:00:50.260 Yeah, I actually did two reps on that. Did you do two? Paul, you told me three times. I told you

00:00:55.280 two times, you corrected me to three. I thought it was two times. I should have did five, though.

00:01:00.820 You should have did? Maybe six. You think you could have done five? Easy, easy. Easy. I want to read

00:01:05.400 something to you, and I want to see what you say about this. Okay, this is, so you're an eight-time

00:01:08.940 Mr. Olympia, you know, in any sport you do, Kobe says one of his favorite parts of playing the game

00:01:15.180 was the last year when he played, and he was going on his retirement tour. I don't know if you're a

00:01:18.620 basketball guy. He was going on his retirement tour, and every city was giving him the respect,

00:01:23.200 every city, and they said, how does this feel for you? He says, there is nothing more rewarding

00:01:29.100 than knowing my competitors and my enemies felt this way about me at the end of my career. This

00:01:35.280 is at the highest level of respect for him, so I want to read some of what the guys had

00:01:39.440 to say about you and see what you think about this. This is what Lee Haney once said about

00:01:42.560 you. Lee Haney is another eight-timer. Both of you guys are eight-timers, and you have a lot

00:01:45.920 of good things to say about him. He said, in the world of professional bodybuilding, the name

00:01:49.580 Ronnie Coleman stands alone. There has never been an athlete physically able or willing

00:01:55.060 to take the sport beyond the limits of human expectations. Ronnie did it to the extent that

00:02:00.000 the sport may never witness again. That's what Lee Haney said. Here's what Arnold had

00:02:05.180 to say. Ronnie became a whole new dimension. It was unbelievable. He showed bodybuilders that

00:02:10.280 there was a whole other way of size and proportion, and your friend, Flex Wheeler, who was supposed

00:02:16.060 to win Mr. Olympia the year you were competing with him. Everybody after Dorian says, it's

00:02:20.300 Flex's time. He says, I don't have the ability to say that I was with Arnold or Lee, but I

00:02:26.300 do have the ability to say that I was on the stage with the greatest Olympia of all time.

00:02:31.660 When you hear me read this stuff to you from your peers, these are people you admired, came

00:02:35.640 before you during your time. What does that make you think about? Oh, like you said, ain't

00:02:43.060 nothing like respect from your fellow competitors, because I had no idea that any of those guys

00:02:49.500 said that stuff, you know, because I really don't watch. You don't really watch the media?

00:02:56.080 No, no, I don't watch the media. I don't keep up with too much of nothing.

00:02:59.780 How do you process it? One of the things I'd like to do today, Ronnie, is I'm hoping we can

00:03:04.180 do this, and here's what my goal is with you. I've watched your documentary. I read your book.

00:03:09.200 I read as many articles as I could get my hands on. I called your peers up. I want to

00:03:15.040 know, Ronnie, because when I was in the Army, on the wall I had pictures. The year you placed

00:03:20.440 16th, you know, the year you placed 16th, I just liked your physique. When I saw your

00:03:27.300 physique, I think it was in a muscle magazine. There was your uniform. You were in the cop

00:03:32.360 uniform, and then they had a physique of yours, and you did your double buys, and it was muscle

00:03:36.100 on top of muscles. I said, I just like this guy's physique. I don't know if he's ever going to do

00:03:39.840 anything, but I like his physique. And then you end up winning. So I'm not just a guy that

00:03:45.920 is interested in bodybuilding. You were a guy that I followed when I was in the Army. So that

00:03:50.600 was like mid-90s to late 90s. I was following you coming up and winning back to back to back

00:03:56.140 eight times. But the one thing I'd like to do today is I feel like there's not been a real long

00:04:01.580 form interview with you outside of the documentary that you did. And when I think about you and

00:04:06.860 I see your interviews, I say, this is a guy that grew up in Louisiana, nice guy, you know,

00:04:11.520 man of faith. You can tell those are a lot of strong values and character that you can tell

00:04:15.380 your mom played a very big role in your life. Jesse, you can tell that there was certain people,

00:04:20.760 Alonzo, that played a big role in your life. You can tell that there were certain people that

00:04:24.100 impacted your life and certain life-changing events, whether it was Patricia, your high school

00:04:28.140 girlfriend when she broke up with you. And you kind of, and I know we talk about this all the

00:04:32.040 time, that it's good to have that happen early on. But I want to kind of know a different sign

00:04:35.880 of Ronnie today. Like I want to know, do things hurt Ronnie? I want to know what Ronnie thinks

00:04:41.280 about, what additional interest they have. So going back to this, when you hear these guys saying

00:04:45.520 these things about you emotionally, does it do anything where it's like, I can't believe these

00:04:50.720 guys I admire say these kinds of things to you? Exactly. Does it get you to that state?

00:04:54.300 Exactly. I know you said, you said one time, there is no better feeling than being able

00:05:01.620 to say, I'm a master, overachiever. I have mastered being an overachiever. Why'd you say

00:05:08.240 that? Why is that so important to you? Well, because I've always tried to be the best at

00:05:12.720 everything that I've ever done. And once I've accomplished it, you know, it always took some

00:05:20.000 time, you know, nothing happened overnight. So it ain't nothing like having your hard

00:05:26.440 work pay off. Because, you know, when I put myself to a task of doing something, I go all

00:05:35.280 out, you know, like when I worked for a police department, you know, I went all out, you know,

00:05:39.680 I tried to do the best job I possibly could. When I was in college, you know, when I was in

00:05:45.000 school, I studied every single night. When you were at Grambling or in high school?

00:05:51.820 Grambling. No, not high school. Not high school. I did not take high school seriously at all.

00:05:57.020 But at Grambling, I studied every single night. And, you know, I tried to be the best I possibly

00:06:02.140 could be. When I was playing football there, you know, I was trying to be the best I possibly

00:06:07.660 could be. And, you know, it took a long time, but I accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish.

00:06:13.080 But like I said, nothing happened overnight. It took me like almost three years to start,

00:06:19.160 you know. It took you three years to start. Yeah, it took me three years to start.

00:06:24.480 How good were you? I mean, I'm trying to see videos, but I couldn't find videos. The only

00:06:28.040 video I found is another Ron Coleman who played football at Grambling. But I'm talking about

00:06:34.220 how good were you in college? Were you a killer? Were you somebody that had the ability to go to the

00:06:40.080 next level? Well, I had talked to some pro scouts, but I never got drafted. So I felt like if

00:06:46.380 if I wasn't good enough to get drafted, I wouldn't get enough to play. That was just my attitude.

00:06:52.000 Maybe if I would have gone out there and gave it my all, you know, I probably could have made

00:06:54.980 a team. But I didn't have that attitude. You know, everything is about desire and attitude

00:07:00.920 and focus and everything. So if you don't have desire, attitude and the focus for something,

00:07:06.900 then it's not going to happen. So you know the game that you talk about in college where you said

00:07:12.200 the scouts came from the Eagles and they're sitting out there, they're kind of watching you and in that

00:07:16.700 game you were nervous, but you ended up having like 14 solo tackles, two sacks and an interception

00:07:21.240 and you had a big game. Yeah. And then afterwards you spoke to them. They told you if you play like

00:07:25.200 this, we're going to draft you. Yeah. So you were kind of going in the direction of possibly being an

00:07:29.380 NFL player. Exactly. And was it the neck injury when you tackled the quarterback? That's when it was like

00:07:34.600 over for you? Yeah, pretty much. So if that doesn't happen, we could be talking about a retired NFL

00:07:40.660 player, Ronnie Coleman. Possibly. You never know. Did you have the love of the game for football the

00:07:47.980 way you had the love of the game for bodybuilding? I think one was greater than the other because I

00:07:54.420 started actually bodybuilding, I mean, 12. I started playing football to like 14, 15, somewhere in there.

00:08:05.280 And of course, you know, one I did forever. One I continued and pursued, you know, forever and the

00:08:17.100 other one I didn't, you know. Like I said, I could have went out there and tried out and gave it my all,

00:08:22.560 but I just didn't have that desire. But as far as working out goals, you know, I never, ever,

00:08:29.280 ever stopped. To this day, I started when I was 12 and I still hadn't stopped, you know,

00:08:36.060 after what, 12 surgeries. So I'm still hanging in there with all the pain and everything.

00:08:43.440 What is it about bodybuilding that gives you the love of the game? I mean,

00:08:46.160 it's like a hobby, you know, something like you really enjoy doing. Like some people like going

00:08:51.480 fishing and hunting and all that stuff. I got a few friends that enjoy doing that stuff, but

00:08:56.680 it's just a hobby, something that I love to do. You know, I've always done it my whole entire life and

00:09:04.900 I always look forward to doing it. That's another, people used to always ask me, how did I work full

00:09:11.460 time for the police department and do bodybuilding at the same time? I told them I was doing two

00:09:16.360 things that I love doing. If I could have done, if I could have done police work until now, I would

00:09:23.840 have. Really? Yeah. What do you love about it? They forced me out. I remember then, your 15th year when

00:09:28.140 the boss sat down with you. Yeah, yeah. I love going to work and doing something different every day

00:09:33.120 and helping people. That was my main thing. I like helping people and I like doing something different

00:09:40.440 every single day. You never know what's going to happen, you know, as you know. It's a lot of

00:09:46.420 things that can happen. That's true. A lot of things. That is very true. There's so many different

00:09:51.860 things. What's the worst thing you saw? What did you see? What's the worst thing you saw? Well, it's probably

00:09:54.620 dubbed the homicide that I mentioned in the book probably the worst thing I saw because, you know,

00:09:59.880 that day, that night, I was trying to get home on time, you know. That last thing I was thinking

00:10:05.340 about was a real shooting because that hardly ever happened in Arlington, you know, especially

00:10:10.280 where I worked and in the area that I worked. It wasn't a real bad area or nothing like that.

00:10:15.880 So, that really caught me off guard. I can still see images of that today, you know. It's something

00:10:24.520 that stays with you forever, pretty much, you know. You walk in and see a thing like that,

00:10:29.560 totally unexpected, something that you think would never happen, you know. And under the circumstances

00:10:37.400 of it, the way it happened, you know, it's just crazy, you know. You're trying to help somebody out

00:10:42.360 and all of a sudden they use your own gun to kill you. Never think something like that gonna happen,

00:10:48.440 you know. You know, you're always hesitant to try to help somebody out, something strange that you

00:10:54.440 don't really know. But in a case like that, man, I always thought second about that one.

00:11:02.440 Did that make you kind of second-guess the career you chose?

00:11:05.480 No, no, no, no, no. That wasn't the case?

00:11:07.080 I still loved it.

00:11:07.880 Still loved it.

00:11:09.080 Let me ask you this.

00:11:10.120 That was one of the things I loved about the job, you know.

00:11:12.200 I remember when I was in the Army, I loved my job, being in the Army. I remember when I was working

00:11:17.400 at Haagen-Dazs, I loved it. I remember when I was working at Valley Total Fitness,

00:11:21.640 I loved it. When I worked at Morgan Stanley, I loved it. I loved going to work, right?

00:11:26.760 Do you think it's an attitude thing with you and love, or do you think it's like, you know,

00:11:33.000 anybody that talks about your attitude, this man never complained, you don't talk behind,

00:11:38.760 you know, you don't do this. It's just pure values, values, values, values, values.

00:11:43.720 Is love of the game because you love life, or is love of the game specific to bodybuilding?

00:11:48.760 Both.

00:11:52.840 Which part of bodybuilding you love the most?

00:11:55.800 Oh, man.

00:11:59.080 Working out.

00:12:00.520 What part of it? What is it?

00:12:02.280 Being in the gym, working out, just actually working out every day.

00:12:05.400 Being in the gym.

00:12:06.600 That fires you up?

00:12:07.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:07.880 Why?

00:12:09.320 Just, you know, the feeling I get from being able to work out and be healthy and stay in shape

00:12:19.640 and also look good.

00:12:22.680 To look good.

00:12:23.240 Yeah.

00:12:23.800 Got it.

00:12:24.280 So how do you, psychologically, for you, knowing you're a person of constant progress?

00:12:31.800 I mean, you're running a nutritional company.

00:12:34.120 Yeah.

00:12:34.520 I don't know what your top line revenue was last year, but I think you guys were doing 15

00:12:37.960 million a year a couple years ago.

00:12:39.080 I don't know what your 2019 is going to end up being.

00:12:40.840 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 I'm assuming you guys are doing good.

00:12:42.040 Yeah, we're doing real good.

00:12:42.920 Okay.

00:12:43.480 So you've got a business that's doing good.

00:12:45.080 You've got a brand that's doing good.

00:12:46.840 You're a guy that's probably driven by seeing constant progress.

00:12:50.440 Oh, yeah.

00:12:51.000 How does somebody like you, psychologically, from being able to go from 12 years old to

00:12:56.760 13, 14, 15, 16, you know, 25, 30, 35, 40, you're seeing your body getting better

00:13:02.840 and better and better.

00:13:04.120 How are you psychologically handling it today to know that if I go lift weights, I can't

00:13:10.040 get, you know, the details that I had or I can't get above 850?

00:13:13.960 Because sometimes, like, you know, the frustrating part about loving the game is you go and you

00:13:20.040 say, oh my gosh, look at the traps are looking better.

00:13:22.280 Look at my calves.

00:13:23.400 I'm seeing some details I didn't have before.

00:13:25.240 Mm-hmm.

00:13:25.880 And that goes away.

00:13:27.240 Then where does the love of the game come?

00:13:29.240 Is it the environment?

00:13:30.600 Is it the sound?

00:13:31.800 Is it the...

00:13:32.920 What is it?

00:13:33.880 You ain't gonna believe this.

00:13:35.880 I never looked at myself.

00:13:37.240 Never looked at myself.

00:13:40.520 Uh, it was all always about being in the gym, working out, enjoying myself and having fun

00:13:49.000 and being healthy.

00:13:50.920 It was never the way I looked.

00:13:53.960 So when I was like, you know, 285, 295 on stage, I really didn't notice anything.

00:14:02.520 What do you mean when you saw that?

00:14:04.440 When I was 215, huh?

00:14:06.520 What do you mean when you say that?

00:14:08.520 I didn't notice it.

00:14:11.400 People, people saw the way I looked.

00:14:14.040 I didn't see the way I looked until I saw pictures.

00:14:17.000 So you wouldn't go in front of a mirror at the gym and pull?

00:14:19.000 Nope, never.

00:14:19.720 Ever.

00:14:20.120 So when you're doing squats and you're looking at something, there's not a mirror in front

00:14:23.080 of you, it's a wall?

00:14:23.720 Nope.

00:14:23.960 Nope.

00:14:24.120 Seriously.

00:14:24.520 There is no mirror there.

00:14:25.480 If you see, if you look, if you look at the video, you'll see there's not a mirror right

00:14:30.280 there in front of me.

00:14:32.760 Have you ever talked about this before or no?

00:14:34.600 I don't understand videos.

00:14:35.160 Even serious confused.

00:14:37.640 Holy moly.

00:14:39.320 Okay.

00:14:39.880 Yeah, I don't understand videos either.

00:14:48.360 But have you ever talked about this before where you never looked yourself in the mirror or no?

00:14:51.720 No, no, no.

00:14:52.520 There were times back when I was backstage and I see a mirror, I turn my head, you know,

00:14:57.240 when I walk past it because I didn't want to know how I looked because I wasn't, I was never in

00:15:03.320 it to look a certain way, you know. I was in it to be good and to be great, but not to look a certain

00:15:10.840 way. That's why I was going to tell you now that, you know, the way I looked back then, you know,

00:15:17.400 that was all good and great, but I wasn't in it to look a certain way. I was in it to be great.

00:15:24.040 So now that I'm not even competing anymore, I'm still the same way. I'm not in it to look a certain

00:15:30.360 way. I'm in it just for, you know, the enjoyment of being in the gym working out and being healthy.

00:15:37.880 So I'm not going for a certain look. I've always just went into the gym to have fun and enjoy myself

00:15:45.480 and, you know, just be in there, but not to look a certain way. I didn't know I had 22-inch arms

00:15:53.800 until somebody told me. And I argued them down, like, no, there's no way. He's like, well, I got

00:16:00.920 tape measure. I can prove it to you. I'm like, let's bring it out. So, you know, he brought it out

00:16:08.360 and sure enough, 22 inches. I'm like, wow, that's nice. Wow, I got 22-inch arms, you know.

00:16:15.640 I was in college at the time. How much of this was the fact that you didn't like to boast and kind

00:16:21.880 of brag because of values passed down to you or how much of it is you? I never boasted and bragged

00:16:27.080 about anything because everything comes from God. So, you know, it's nothing that I did, you know,

00:16:34.520 I'm just the vessel. I'm just here just doing what I was put here to do, basically.

00:16:41.000 I mean, you realize you're in a pretty vain sport, though. You're in a sport where it's about who looks

00:16:46.520 the best. Everybody's different, you know. Everybody's different. That's so interesting to me.

00:16:52.120 So, how did you know if you are making progress to be able to win if you're not taking a look at

00:16:56.120 yourself? About what I had placed on stage. But how do you know pre? Like, how do you know when I'm

00:17:02.760 reading the book and you're saying I knew I was kind of getting ready to be able to win and I

00:17:06.520 know I was kind of looking, you know. How are you mentally? Yeah, I had a nutritionist, you know,

00:17:11.560 that prepared me and told me what to do and how to do it and everything. No, what I'm asking is,

00:17:17.640 so let's just say you're going to a show. You got a show coming up. You're going up against somebody.

00:17:22.360 How do you know if you have what it takes to beat them if you're not looking at yourself? I don't know.

00:17:28.680 I don't know. That's the key. I don't know. I don't know until I get there.

00:17:34.440 How do you feel about that? You like that approach? Yeah, yeah. I loved it.

00:17:38.440 Why? Because, you know, like I was saying earlier, I've always prepared myself to be the very best that

00:17:47.560 I possibly could be. And if I know that I'm the very best that I possibly could be and I can't get

00:17:53.400 any better at the time, I'm good with that. So every time I went into a show, I went in to win.

00:17:58.760 You know, I never cheated or nothing. I always did what, you know, I was told to do because I've

00:18:06.200 always used, you know, trainers and nutritionists and stuff like that to guide me and I never really

00:18:12.760 guided myself. So did you have somebody that would say, Ronnie, your shoulders,

00:18:18.440 you got to work on this? You got to, who was that person? Whoever was training me at the time,

00:18:23.880 I used different trainers, you know, along the way. And they would tell you this is an area of

00:18:29.320 weakness that you got to work on and here's what we got to do. Yeah. Got it. So there was no mirror

00:18:34.840 for you. You realize how confusing this is. Yeah. I mean, you're in there. I'm a very vain person.

00:18:41.160 You're a very vain person. I'm never satisfied with nothing, no matter how good I look.

00:18:45.640 I'm always trying to be better. Oh, you consider yourself confident or where?

00:18:51.320 Oh, I'm very confident in everything that I do. So it's not, it's not a level of insecurity where

00:18:56.520 you're trying to drive for perfection. No. You're very confident in your ability to compete in the

00:19:00.680 marketplace. In everything that I do. Did you ever have a love of the game for anything else that

00:19:06.120 came close to bodybuilding and being a cop? No, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. So nothing gets your

00:19:10.920 interest where you're like, wow, I'm really interested in this. Let me get into it. Nope. Are you trying to

00:19:14.840 find something else that'll get that kind of interest for you or no? Mm-mm. Not at this age.

00:19:21.400 Yeah. Cause I know you're good. You said you used to write for the, uh, used to write back in the

00:19:25.240 days. I used to write for the Gremlin. I knew. Yeah. You used to write there. So you enjoyed writing.

00:19:28.840 Yeah. And you wrote this. Yeah. So writing is something that you've done. So. Yeah.

00:19:33.320 Yeah. I was, uh, I took school real serious, you know. So when I took like an English class or

00:19:40.920 advanced comp class, uh, you know, I, I buried myself in the books and tried to learn every

00:19:45.320 single thing I could about it. And in college, you know, I was real, real good at it, you know,

00:19:50.760 cause I was taking all those. School? Yeah. I was taking all those courses like that

00:19:55.000 to help with writing. So I was a lot better back then than I am, than I, than I am now because I

00:20:00.920 was doing a lot more back then, you know. So. What subject came easy to you? Were you a math guy?

00:20:05.880 Were you a numbers guy? Uh, accounting. Okay. Math and accounting. Anything with numbers was

00:20:10.840 really the, I can still remember, you know, my old phone number from my home growing up, you know.

00:20:18.200 You got a photographic memory or? Yeah. I do. I do. Okay. So you remember. I would read, uh,

00:20:22.840 books and just remember the whole thing. I, I had to read about three or four times. I can remember,

00:20:29.400 memorize the whole thing. That's, that's how I studied for college. I would read everything

00:20:33.960 like three or four times over, like the night before. I would stay up like sometimes all night.

00:20:40.760 You know, you get, you know, you get, you get into something and you just get focused on it

00:20:47.000 and you lose track of time because you're so focused on what you're doing. That's you.

00:20:50.680 And I would look up and I'm like, oh man, it's time to go to breakfast. I didn't get no sleep.

00:20:56.680 That happened a lot, you know, because like I said, I had that memory that if I read something enough,

00:21:02.360 I could memorize it. You know, it's, it's so crazy that yourself, Brandon Curry,

00:21:08.680 Phil Heath all had accounting majors. Yeah. Yeah. Did you know that or no? I had no idea.

00:21:13.480 You had no idea. All three of your accounts. So maybe the formula for bodybuilding is first

00:21:18.120 go get a degree in accounting and then go compete. Exactly. That seems to be a trend.

00:21:24.280 Yeah. Very interesting.

00:21:25.560 Worked out real good.

00:21:26.440 Man. So, so it was a lot of your bodybuilding. Were you a data guy? Were you all data or no?

00:21:32.200 Was it like exact? I know in one of the interviews when somebody was asking you,

00:21:37.000 what did you do to get rid of the gut? Because they said next year, our judging is going to be,

00:21:42.360 you got to get rid of the gut. And he said, you sat down and he spoke to

00:21:44.920 Joe Weider and Weider told you to lower it from 15, uh, uh, ounces to 10 or 11 ounces or something

00:21:51.240 like that. No, he was, he gave me some exercises. Oh, he gave me the belt to put around it the entire

00:21:55.800 time and keep flexing it while you're driving. Yeah. But, but you, you said I went from 15 ounces

00:22:02.920 approach of chicken to 10 or 11. No, no, no. You got it backwards. You went higher? I went from 10

00:22:09.400 to 15. No, you, no, you said in the interview you went lower. Oh, it's okay. So you said in the

00:22:15.320 interview you went lower. Yeah. We'll find it to put it up because, so you went higher. Yeah,

00:22:19.800 I went higher. But you stayed, you stayed cut. You stayed low body fat. I hate to say that.

00:22:26.680 Instead of having like 14 ounces of chicken, I'd have like 10, 12. And you did it all year round?

00:22:33.880 I did it all year round. You said low body fat throughout the year though.

00:22:37.080 Yeah. Uh, it's genetically though. Genetically, it's like that. I, the police department used to

00:22:42.920 always measure me and it always came to two to two to three percent every single year.

00:22:47.320 It's crazy. And it was all season. It's 320 pounds. I went to Cooper's clinic one time,

00:22:55.000 had it done, you know, professionally. It was point three, three, not even a half percent.

00:22:59.880 What is not healthy? I mean, what number is not, because you remember what was the one

00:23:03.960 bodybuilder Munzer that he had a lowest where his chest just didn't make any sense. Is there a level

00:23:09.960 that's actually not healthy for you? I don't know. There's not one. Not in your mind. Not in my mind.

00:23:13.880 Not in your mind. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a different breed of guy. And you really believe that? Yeah,

00:23:19.160 I know that. You know that? Yeah. Are you a data analytics guy? Is it all data to you or no?

00:23:24.680 Uh, yeah, it's all data and analytics. Because that's, people don't know, but you know, I, I kept

00:23:30.280 up with everything I ate. I weighed and measured everything I ate and I ate the same thing.

00:23:36.280 And I weighed it and you know, I knew exactly how many carbs I was taking, how many grams of protein

00:23:41.960 I was taking, everything. And I wrote everything down. Do you have it till today? Yeah, I still have it

00:23:49.000 today. Kept it till today. Still have it today. Wow. By the way, is there, Mr. Olympia, a, a museum

00:23:54.280 or no? Is there some kind of a museum that they keep or not? This is the kind of stuff that the

00:23:57.320 audience would love to go see. Oh, I can't show this. You wouldn't, you wouldn't want to share with

00:24:02.280 no one? No, no, no. Really? Oh, no. Why not? Oh, it's too personal. Seriously, you wouldn't show what you

00:24:08.680 ate? No, no, no. Come on, Ronnie. You're being serious or you're being sarcastic? No, no, I'm being serious.

00:24:16.360 You would not show what you ate? No, no. For what reason? Oh, there's some stuff in there that

00:24:22.120 I don't even remember. You know, I had to go back and look at it.

00:24:27.320 It's the craziest thing you would eat. My nutritionist did everything for me. I got it.

00:24:31.640 I got it. I was doing what he told me to do. Did you eat anything crazy that people will be

00:24:36.680 shell-shocked by? No, no, no, no. Oh, okay. I ate like four or five different foods. I had chicken, steak,

00:24:43.880 turkey, rice, and baked potato. Grits for breakfast? And grits, yeah, for breakfast.

00:24:51.320 Baked potato. And then you would do your protein drinks that you're doing. Yeah. So it was simple

00:24:55.720 stuff. How much of your advantage, because Doreen Yates says he had an edge because he trained at a

00:25:02.200 regular gym back in UK and he didn't have the distractions of the guys that were in LA training

00:25:06.760 at Gold's Gym because every night you're going to party and a woman and all this other stuff.

00:25:10.520 How much of your advantage was the fact that you trained at a regular gym, you know, Metroflex

00:25:17.240 right here in Arlington? How much of it do you think was the fact that you're a pretty simple guy,

00:25:22.600 not needing 50 different distractions? Do you think that was an edge of yours?

00:25:25.800 Oh, yeah, because I didn't train at Metroflex when I get ready for shows. I trained at home.

00:25:31.800 Why? Why at home? I didn't want to be bothered. People always come into the gym on autographs and

00:25:40.360 photos and stuff. So it's the time for that and the time not for that. The gym at the home,

00:25:46.760 does it have mirrors or no? It has a few. So you see a little bit of your muscles. I'm not really

00:25:53.320 looking. Okay. They just there, you know, as a, you know, decoration. Decoration. So when you're

00:25:59.720 training from a stroll, you're at a gym where no distractions. You're by yourself. It's like your

00:26:04.440 kingdom. No one's bothering you. Exactly. How, uh, how annoyed would you be if somebody did bother

00:26:08.920 you? Were you the kind of person where everybody in your life knew when I'm training, don't bother

00:26:12.040 me. I'm pretty focused. Yeah. It was that kind. Yeah. Okay. Does anything piss you off or no? Does

00:26:17.160 anything get on your skin? Oh yeah. A lot of things. Especially when I work for the police department.

00:26:22.920 Like what? What irritates you? Just about anything. Especially when I was dieting, you know,

00:26:27.320 it was real hard. Oh, because you're low carbs. Low energy. Yeah. Low energy, low carbs. So any little

00:26:33.000 thing would set me off. So I had to quit going in for a while. Interesting. But that's a lot. I had a

00:26:43.720 chief that, uh, said, uh, I didn't have to come to work. This is the chief that gave you the option

00:26:49.800 of either being a cop or being Mr. No, no, no. That's a different chief. That's, that's the new

00:26:54.840 chief that came in. Got it. The old chief told you you didn't need to go to work because you couldn't

00:26:59.160 control your, uh, you were losing your cool? No, he told me I had to come to work because he knew I

00:27:05.480 needed total focus to get ready for a competition. Is that the last one or the prior one? The prior

00:27:10.920 one. The one that hired me. The one that hired you. Mm-hmm. He said you don't need to come to work

00:27:14.920 anymore. Once I won the Olympia. So what bothers you though? I mean, you seem like you're the

00:27:19.640 calmest guy when I look at you. I'm like you're... Nothing really bothers me. Yeah, that's what I'm

00:27:23.800 saying. I've always been low stress and nothing really stresses me out, you know. I take everything

00:27:30.040 with a, pretty much with a grain of salt, you know. Never let nothing get under my skin unless I'm

00:27:36.120 dieting. Less if you're dieting. How are you doing right now with all the surgeries you've

00:27:42.040 been having? Oh, I'm doing good. Yeah, yeah. That doesn't, that doesn't bother me either,

00:27:46.200 but I know eventually I'll get better if I just keep working hard at getting better. I know you

00:27:52.200 said one time, question was asked, how bad's the pain? You know, you said it's... I have a high

00:27:57.000 tolerance, so it's not so bad. Yeah. Yeah. Remember, I don't know if I mentioned it in the book,

00:28:02.440 but when I herniated my disc I kept working out. Are you telling yourself something? And I heard

00:28:08.600 it pop out. I'm like, man, what was that loud noise? Ronny, what are you telling yourself to

00:28:13.160 handle the pain though? Is there like a formula you have here that we don't know about or no?

00:28:16.840 No, it's just, I just got a high tolerance for it, so it's not as bad as it would be for a person that

00:28:24.520 didn't have a high tolerance. So I can deal with a certain amount of pain and not be bothered by it.

00:28:32.680 Today is November, what is it, 13th or 14th? 13th. How's your pain right now, 0 to 10? Yeah, it's

00:28:39.720 like 3, 4. Oh, it's 3, it's 4, so it's not the 10 that it used to be. No, no, no. Oh, okay.

00:28:45.240 So you're much better now. Yeah, I'm much, much better now than I was before. Okay. Are you still

00:28:50.040 driving? Are you able to drive? You're going to the gym, you're going? I drive anywhere. I drove to

00:28:53.400 Louisiana last, a couple weeks ago. You drove to Louisiana from here? All good. All good. Okay.

00:28:58.040 With my feet and everything being numb, I can still drive. Is your feet numb right now or no?

00:29:03.640 Oh, it's always. It's always numb? Yeah. What is doctor saying the progress is going to happen with

00:29:08.360 you? It's going to be numb forever. Forever? Yeah. What do you think about that? Oh, well.

00:29:13.400 That's it. Because I just have to deal with it, huh? I tell you, another person can't. If another

00:29:19.320 person had what you, the man upstairs definitely chose the right person for this pain. Yeah, exactly.

00:29:26.440 Because I don't think it's going to be. Made the body right for it, though. Made the body right for

00:29:31.320 it. That's right. Made the body right for it. How much of the pain, I know when I see you,

00:29:38.200 when people ask you the question about what would you have done differently, etc., etc., it's like,

00:29:42.440 you know, the only thing I would have done differently is what? I think I could have

00:29:45.080 pushed for five or six, right? The 800 squat. Because that seems to stay with you,

00:29:48.680 because that was something that was very important. Yeah, because I still remember when I put that

00:29:52.200 weight up. Look, too easy. First thing I said was, man, that was light. And I was for real about that,

00:30:04.200 too. So I even tried to go a little bit heavier, go a little bit further down on the second one,

00:30:09.000 there, and there was still light. Yeah, buddy!

00:30:11.640 Yep! 0.80

00:30:17.640 The reason why I went, too, because I had deadlifted it, and it was heavy. It was real heavy.

00:30:25.560 And then I thought about it. I'm like, wait a minute. Squatting deadlifts are two different lifts.

00:30:28.680 So deadlift is pulling off of the floor. You know, you got all that gravity down there. But squatting is

00:30:34.520 way up high on your back. There's not as much gravity. So of course it's going to be a lot easier.

00:30:40.120 But I didn't, I didn't rationalize that before I did it. So at that time when you felt you could

00:30:45.080 have done it five or six times, what do you think you could have maxed at that time once?

00:30:48.920 Max? Probably like nine. You think you could have cracked nine at that time? Yeah, yeah. Easy, yeah.

00:30:56.120 Really? Yeah, yeah. 800 was pretty light, and it's pretty light. I can't describe how light it was,

00:31:02.680 because, you know, I guess I was so fired up, too, you know, and I had gotten stronger since I did

00:31:09.240 the 800 pounds. You know, because I had that herniated disc this whole time. But it had gotten

00:31:15.160 to the point where, you know, I had got the strength back and everything, and I was getting stronger

00:31:23.480 year after year after year. The older I got, the stronger I got. So when I deadlifted 800, it was like

00:31:30.520 01. When you deadlifted 800, it wasn't 01? It was 2001, yeah. So in 2003, I got a lot stronger.

00:31:40.840 And I didn't take none of that into account, you know, because I was just thinking,

00:31:44.600 man, my deadlift, that was heavy. Do you, have you ever spoken to the world record holder for

00:31:51.720 deadlift or for squat? No, no, no. You know who they are? You don't follow what the number is?

00:31:55.800 I don't follow it. Do you kind of have an idea what the number is? Yeah, yeah. So you know what

00:31:59.720 the record is? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you do know it. Yeah, yeah. What do you think about that number?

00:32:03.400 Like, what does that do to you? I could have got there. You think you could have gotten there? Yeah.

00:32:07.480 That competitive, where for you, it's like you could have gone to a number like that. Yeah,

00:32:11.000 I would have had to train for it, though, you know. I never trained for strength. Would your training

00:32:15.800 have needed to change? It would have been different, yeah. It would have been different,

00:32:18.520 way different. What I was doing, see, I used to train for powerlifting when I was in high school.

00:32:23.800 What would have, what needed to change? Well, you don't do as many reps,

00:32:29.560 and you don't work out as often, so you got a lot more rest, and you can eat a lot more

00:32:35.800 fatty foods that give you strength. So you can't stay your run at two percent.

00:32:40.360 You know what, when I, yeah, yeah, I was two percent. I get it. Remember, I was five weeks

00:32:46.520 out from the Olympia when I, when I deadlifted 800. But what I'm saying is to, to hold the world

00:32:51.080 record, like the one that 1200 or something, whatever the number, 1254, to hold the number

00:32:55.560 like that. I'd be, had to be way up to 10 percent. Okay, so you, so what I'm saying is at two percent,

00:33:01.320 it wouldn't work. No, no, no, it's not gonna work. What's the reason for that? But what's the reason

00:33:05.320 why that would need to be higher? The, the, the more carbs in your body, the, the more strength

00:33:11.000 you're gonna have. See, I'm, I was always on low carb and, and stuff, you know. And it would,

00:33:15.640 so I had low, low amount of strength, of strength in my body.

00:33:21.720 Ronnie, that's crazy. So if I could, you know, just train and eat for powerlifting,

00:33:26.520 it'd have been a different story. So the squat record is by Dave Hoff, 1273.2.

00:33:34.040 I could have got that. You could have gotten that. Yeah, yeah, I could have got that.

00:33:36.920 And then the world record for deadlift. Oh, that close. Anyway.

00:33:39.880 You think you could have gotten to 12.5? I could have, I could have got to 12, yeah.

00:33:43.160 What was more important? Easy, huh? What was more important? Being an eight-time

00:33:47.240 Mr. Olympia? Don't even compare. Or being a world record hoarder in squat and deadlift?

00:33:52.520 Don't even compare. Why not? This right here. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I got it. I got it. Because if it wasn't,

00:33:58.360 you would have gone the other route. Exactly. And deadlift is 1102 by Eddie Hall.

00:34:03.320 Yeah, that's, yeah. You would have got that as well, right? I would have got that too, yeah.

00:34:06.680 Which would be easier for you, the squat or the deadlift? The squat. The squat. Yeah.

00:34:10.200 Easier than the deadlift. Yeah. Interesting. And you've never met these guys, Eddie Hall or Dave

00:34:13.720 Hoff? Mm-mm. Okay.

00:34:16.040 The squat is amazing now. Yeah. That's, that's heavy. To put up numbers like that. Yeah.

00:34:21.880 Yeah. It was amazing. So, you know, you said yourself where, you know, you did the 800 pounds

00:34:27.320 with a herniated disc. You had done the surgery or you had gone through that a couple years prior to

00:34:31.720 that? No, I never had the surgery. While you were competing, you never had the surgery.

00:34:35.640 No. Okay. I talked myself out of it. So. They tried to do it though. But they didn't. Okay. You,

00:34:41.480 you are so consistent in saying that you don't believe the heavy lifting that you did was the

00:34:49.080 reason for your health and your back issues. You're saying that's not it. That's not it. And

00:34:53.720 you're saying it until today. Yeah. Yeah. That's not it. Look at Dorian Yates and Lee

00:34:58.360 and all these other guys. I just, just got a bad, run into a bad surgeon basically. But

00:35:03.960 Dorian wasn't doing as heavy as you were doing. Dorian actually talks about the fact that what

00:35:08.120 allowed him to not have your kind of pain is because he didn't go as heavy as you did. He

00:35:11.960 said that in an interview that he would go heavy, but not at your level. Yeah. But I don't,

00:35:19.000 you look at those power lifters though. Look how heavy they lift. You know, I, I know for a fact that,

00:35:25.000 uh, it wasn't a heavy lifting that did it. Right. I got a father whom I admire. He's my hero. Okay.

00:35:31.960 He's the most stubborn man I know in my life. Okay. It's one of the reasons why he does well,

00:35:36.600 because for him, if he wants to figure something out, he's going to figure it out. You can't change

00:35:40.920 his mind at all. How much of what you're saying is your level of stubbornness to not want to blame

00:35:47.880 that because you love the game so much. And how much of it is actual real methodical research from

00:35:54.600 doctors and people that say, this is not the case why you have all these issues health-wise

00:36:00.600 with your back. Uh, I, I can say that because when I, when I retired, I didn't have any,

00:36:07.400 any issues like this for a long time. It didn't happen to the surgeries.

00:36:13.000 You know, I walked around without pain or nothing for a long time. Now, all of a sudden,

00:36:18.360 I started having surgeries and you know, that's when it always happened.

00:36:22.680 Didn't you say like on one of the last Mr. Olympias you did while you were on stage,

00:36:26.040 you were in pain? Yeah.

00:36:28.520 Yep. I was in a lot of pain. What, what kind of pain?

00:36:33.400 I had that herniated disc pain. That's the pain. Yeah.

00:36:37.000 And you still don't think that's due to the weights you were pushing?

00:36:40.360 Well, uh, you know what? See, I hurt my back in college. I hurt my back in high school.

00:36:46.200 I hurt my back in high school. So I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, I've had a lot of back issues for a long,

00:36:52.440 long time. And, uh, so I can say that, you know, being athletic kind of maybe contributed to it,

00:37:02.680 but not to this level that, that, you know, where I can't walk and stuff like that. And

00:37:08.040 all that came from the surgeries that weren't done right. Because I, I went to two different

00:37:15.720 surgeons. Uh, for one time I was seeing this one surgeon and I'm, I mean, every time I had surgery,

00:37:22.840 it was the pain got higher and higher every single time. I'm like, what's going on?

00:37:31.080 Something ain't right. So I let another doctor look at my, at my charts and stuff. And he's like,

00:37:39.800 man, this guy's messing you up. I'm like, what? I'm like, yeah, you need to see a different guy.

00:37:45.800 So I went and saw a different guy had surgery under him and no pain

00:37:52.120 after surgery. So I'm like, okay, that's, that's what it was.

00:37:56.280 Was he ever held accountable or no, was there a way to measure that maybe it was on him or was it just

00:38:01.560 where you were at with your body and your back? Well, to be honest with you, uh, I did hire an

00:38:08.840 attorney to, uh, look at everything. And she kind of agreed that, uh, it was what he was doing because

00:38:16.040 she, uh, does this for a living, you know, she, she knows, she went and got all my records from,

00:38:24.520 you know, day one and saw the pattern, you know, of how things progressed in the wrong way.

00:38:33.000 Is this the doctor that's in the documentary or no, that's a different, that is a doctor,

00:38:36.680 that's in the documentary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could see why you were laying there and you had

00:38:40.760 your whole, you had your whole thing on and you didn't seem too comfortable with it going. Like

00:38:48.600 I could tell in your body language, it was some doubt in you when I was, you know, when it shows

00:38:52.520 in the video.

00:38:53.320 Yeah. It was a lot of doubt. A whole lot.

00:38:57.960 Yeah. Cause the, the what? The, uh, two of them broke? Is it how many of them broke?

00:39:02.760 Three. Three of them broke. How's that possible running?

00:39:06.440 And one broke right out of surgery. I went into surgery. He had just prepared the broken ones.

00:39:12.760 Yeah. And I came out and the nurse was like, turn over so I can change your bandage. This is right out of

00:39:19.000 surgery. Well, they, they take your recovery first, you know, and you're in there for a couple of hours.

00:39:23.560 So your bandage has a chance to soak up all that blood. So she wanted to change it.

00:39:31.240 And as soon as I turned over for her to look, it popped right there from just for me, just turning over.

00:39:39.080 I didn't, I haven't done anything, just right out of surgery and turned over.

00:39:42.840 And when that, when that screw snapped, it felt like my back snapped in half.

00:39:50.760 You felt that pain?

00:39:51.640 I felt it. I felt that pain. I felt it was, it was so excruciate. I didn't even want to move again.

00:40:00.920 And when I moved again, it snapped again. I'm like, this is not happening.

00:40:05.640 How much after that was there the next surgery? Like when that happens where they're like,

00:40:09.480 okay, we got to take you back in and start looking at it again.

00:40:12.920 Well, nobody thought that had happened like that. It wasn't until, you know, I, I went for my follow-up

00:40:20.840 that we found it, saw it, two weeks later.

00:40:24.040 And then when did the next procedure happen?

00:40:26.920 About a week later.

00:40:27.960 So three weeks later after the procedure, they did another one.

00:40:30.760 Exactly.

00:40:31.240 And then when that happened, you still didn't have recovered. You're still not feeling good.

00:40:34.360 Mm-mm.

00:40:34.920 At one point, did you say, I'm just done with this doctor. I'm moving on.

00:40:37.560 Uh, it's too much pain to say that.

00:40:42.520 Too much pain.

00:40:43.320 No, no. Meaning at what point did you say, I'm not coming back to this doctor. I got to go.

00:40:47.240 Oh, oh, you know what? I, I, I let my, my best friend is a neurosurgeon.

00:40:53.880 And, uh, he was the one referring me to these guys.

00:40:56.920 Got it.

00:40:57.480 So he like, man, something ain't right. Let me look at your, your, your charts.

00:41:03.320 So the recommendation came from somebody you actually trust.

00:41:05.480 It's a friend of mine. Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:06.840 Okay.

00:41:07.080 Exactly.

00:41:07.480 He wouldn't, he wouldn't, uh, steer you in a bad direction.

00:41:09.640 That's your best friend.

00:41:10.440 Like my best friend.

00:41:11.160 Yeah. So this is, this is the doctor.

00:41:12.600 So you did try to, uh, pursue.

00:41:14.120 So, Ronnie, who else in your, uh, stature has gone through the physical challenges that you have faced,

00:41:21.240 uh, uh, post-competing?

00:41:23.320 Anybody else?

00:41:24.200 Nobody.

00:41:24.760 That's it.

00:41:25.080 Nobody.

00:41:25.800 Nobody.

00:41:26.360 I don't think nobody.

00:41:27.400 Ed Corny had some issues, but he never had it at your level.

00:41:30.600 Yeah.

00:41:31.080 And it was more later on that Ed had some issues.

00:41:33.480 So no one at your level.

00:41:34.600 No, no.

00:41:35.400 Is that why you say in your mind that you don't think it's the heavy weight,

00:41:38.600 heavy lifting that you did?

00:41:39.560 Mm-hmm.

00:41:40.120 So Ronnie, who else that's a Mr. Olympia even lifted close weights at your level though?

00:41:45.560 Exactly.

00:41:45.960 Who was lifting heavy like you?

00:41:47.480 I know Cormier was very heavy when he would,

00:41:50.120 he was known for being strong.

00:41:51.320 But at your level, who was strong at your level?

00:41:53.320 Nobody.

00:41:53.960 So how close were your competitors to you?

00:41:57.720 Uh, not close at all.

00:41:59.400 Can you, can you, can you, can you give us some numbers?

00:42:02.200 So we kind of have an idea.

00:42:03.080 Like if you're dead lifting eight and you're squatting eight,

00:42:06.360 who's the, who's the second highest that's winning Mr. Olympia?

00:42:10.760 Uh, Jay Cutler.

00:42:13.720 What was he pushing?

00:42:15.320 Do you know what Jay was pushing?

00:42:16.520 500.

00:42:17.480 On squat?

00:42:18.040 Mm-hmm.

00:42:19.160 So he never went to seven, not six.

00:42:21.320 Mm-mm.

00:42:21.800 And you still don't think it's the heavy weights you push?

00:42:23.640 No, I'm genetically gifted to do that kind of stuff.

00:42:28.760 Not everybody's genetically gifted for strength, you know.

00:42:32.360 So I just have to be a genetic gift for strength and bodybuilding.

00:42:35.400 Did you ever in your mind feel?

00:42:36.840 So I'm a different beast.

00:42:38.040 Do you think, do you really believe like maybe,

00:42:40.920 did you ever get to a point of thinking you're like a superhero type of person?

00:42:43.800 Maybe you are like an anomaly?

00:42:45.240 That's how I felt when I was in the gym.

00:42:46.920 Okay.

00:42:48.920 I felt like I was Superman.

00:42:50.440 It's funny you say that.

00:42:52.920 There was nothing I couldn't do.

00:42:55.480 Got it.

00:42:55.880 Well, you felt like there's nothing you couldn't do.

00:42:58.120 I felt like that.

00:42:58.440 Yeah.

00:42:58.840 I actually felt like that.

00:43:00.760 I felt I couldn't be injured.

00:43:04.440 Sure did.

00:43:05.000 Do you think that it?

00:43:06.200 Never crossed my mind, not one time while I was in the gym or being injured.

00:43:10.280 Never.

00:43:12.360 Because I was so strong and I was so in control.

00:43:16.120 So I'm like, this stuff can't hurt me.

00:43:19.000 I'm going to do what I want to do.

00:43:20.840 That's why, you know, that's why I did that 800.

00:43:23.000 That's why I did that 2,300 pound leg press. 0.97

00:43:26.680 You got to, you got to, you got to have it right mentally first to even just get up under that kind

00:43:32.520 of stuff.

00:43:34.280 If I think about now, I wouldn't need to get under 300 pounds now.

00:43:39.400 You wouldn't be able to.

00:43:41.000 No, no.

00:43:41.640 What could you?

00:43:42.360 Uh, maybe a hundred.

00:43:44.520 Maybe a hundred.

00:43:45.080 Maybe, maybe.

00:43:47.000 So, so, so you thinking like you're Superman and you thinking like you're untouchable,

00:43:53.080 do you think that created some blind spots or no?

00:43:55.800 No, no, no, no, no.

00:43:58.040 Because my, my strength, my, yeah, my strength was real.

00:44:01.960 No, I'm not asking that.

00:44:02.920 Oh.

00:44:03.400 Do you think, thinking you're untouchable and you're Superman-esque, because that happens

00:44:08.040 to athletes, that happens to boxers, that happens to people that make it to your level.

00:44:13.240 I'm not talking like, to your, your level is not 1%.

00:44:16.280 Your level is not 1% of 1%.

00:44:17.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you on that.

00:44:20.600 Okay.

00:44:21.160 Yeah.

00:44:21.400 So you know what I'm saying?

00:44:22.040 Yeah.

00:44:22.440 You can't, because let's face it, if you look at.

00:44:24.600 Because I remember when I lost.

00:44:26.680 I was in shock.

00:44:30.600 Because I didn't think I could be beat.

00:44:34.760 When you're going, before they, before they announced that you were

00:44:38.280 certain they're going to call you.

00:44:39.240 Oh yeah, like 1,000%.

00:44:42.680 Like I had been all those other times.

00:44:46.040 You know, you kind of like, you fall in some form of monotony after a while, like, okay,

00:44:52.040 I don't want this like seven, eight times in a row, oh, what's nine?

00:44:57.560 That's how you were looking at it.

00:44:58.760 Exactly.

00:44:59.240 Not to be, not to be a, you know, devil's advocate, but you were kind of standing sideways,

00:45:05.640 and you were looking down, and Jay was to your left, and you didn't seem that confident when

00:45:11.400 they announced it.

00:45:12.200 Yeah, because I already knew I was going to be second far away.

00:45:14.920 How did you know that?

00:45:15.720 Oh, my girlfriend told me.

00:45:18.200 What?

00:45:18.440 She was judging.

00:45:19.640 Oh, she was judging.

00:45:20.520 Mm-hmm.

00:45:21.000 And she knew that, oh, they already, she already told you that it was going to happen.

00:45:23.880 Mm-hmm.

00:45:24.280 You talking about Vicky?

00:45:25.000 Yeah, I talking about Vicky.

00:45:25.800 Okay, yeah.

00:45:26.520 Yeah, she told me I was going to get second.

00:45:27.880 How did she know?

00:45:28.680 Because she... 1.00

00:45:29.000 She was judging.

00:45:30.280 And she put you at second?

00:45:31.880 Yeah.

00:45:32.280 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:45:33.560 She, she, she would, I don't think she was actually judge, she was at the judge's table. 0.56

00:45:37.320 And she said they're whispering that you're not her, she was looking at the score?

00:45:41.320 No, she saw it, she saw the score.

00:45:43.320 Oh, she saw the score, and then right before you went up, she said, they don't have you as

00:45:46.920 winning?

00:45:47.160 Mm-hmm.

00:45:47.240 They had me, they had, they got you second.

00:45:49.320 Why would she tell you that?

00:45:50.360 Like, to prepare me?

00:45:51.880 Because she knew how, she know, you know, she's been with me for a long time.

00:45:55.160 Oh, I mean, Vicky Gates, Vicky, Vicky Gates is three times, I think she was second place

00:45:59.160 three times in Mrs. Olympia, Mrs. Olympia, right?

00:46:01.080 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:01.640 I, I, she, she, I, I met Vicky, I don't know when, I met Vicky Gates in 1999.

00:46:07.640 She, you just couldn't even believe when you would see Vicky Gates, you know, at these

00:46:10.360 expos.

00:46:10.760 Mm-hmm.

00:46:11.480 So she told you, you're not going to be winning.

00:46:13.560 Yeah.

00:46:14.040 When she told you that, what was the reaction when she said it to you?

00:46:16.840 Well, I ain't had time to process, process it then, you know.

00:46:21.560 Got it.

00:46:22.200 So I'm, I'm, I'm still like, really?

00:46:26.280 You know, you like, really?

00:46:27.640 Huh, how did this happen?

00:46:32.680 So you go, I'm going through, I'm going through all that phase right, right, right then.

00:46:38.680 Yeah, because when I saw you on stage, I'm like, he doesn't look like the Ronnie that's,

00:46:43.480 you know, right before the announcement is made.

00:46:45.640 He's standing like he either knows something or he doesn't believe, you know, he can win

00:46:52.360 it because you, you know, like you would talk about early on where a lot of people would say,

00:46:56.600 flex had the physique, but he never felt he could beat you.

00:46:59.400 And in an interview, Palumbo did with you, which he did a great job in that interview.

00:47:03.240 And he was talking to you and Jay, Jay sitting to your right, you're sitting here, Palumbo's here.

00:47:08.600 And Palumbo said, you know, the difference between you two is you never thought you were

00:47:13.720 going to be Mr. Olympia.

00:47:14.680 That wasn't like your dream.

00:47:15.640 I want to one day be Mr. Olympia.

00:47:16.840 Everybody told you, Ronnie, you can be Mr. Olympia.

00:47:19.080 Yeah.

00:47:19.240 You can be world champ.

00:47:20.120 You can be this.

00:47:20.760 Like, I don't know.

00:47:21.880 Maybe you really believe that.

00:47:23.080 Okay.

00:47:23.320 Maybe I can.

00:47:23.960 Right.

00:47:24.200 And then on the other side, Jay's like, since he was a kid, people say, you got a great,

00:47:27.800 you're going to be Mr. Olympia one day.

00:47:28.840 So he was determined to never give up until he went up against you.

00:47:32.840 And even he said when he beat you, he didn't beat you at your best.

00:47:34.920 He beat you at a, you know, you're at 40 some years old when he beat you.

00:47:38.680 42.

00:47:39.400 42 years old.

00:47:40.200 It's not the 35 year old.

00:47:41.400 No, not the prime.

00:47:43.000 So, so, but, but the reason why I'm asking that question is,

00:47:47.800 is because typically when you started winning, you would just stand.

00:47:51.080 You're like, listen, it's no question.

00:47:53.720 Yeah.

00:47:54.040 I got this.

00:47:54.840 So you knew, you knew you weren't going to win because Vicky told you about it.

00:47:59.560 Mm-hmm.

00:48:00.680 Wow.

00:48:01.240 So after the announcement was made and Jay is celebrating and he had a,

00:48:07.720 he had a hundred people there at the, in attendance.

00:48:10.360 He had all his friends that were there and they're screaming.

00:48:12.600 His brother was also in the first, I think he was sitting first row or second row.

00:48:16.360 What happened next to you when you lost?

00:48:18.040 Because that's.

00:48:18.440 I don't even remember.

00:48:21.000 You know, you go to a shutout phase, certain things.

00:48:26.280 Like, I don't even remember winning, you know, when I won the first one.

00:48:30.840 I don't remember.

00:48:32.920 After they called my name, I don't remember what happened for like 15 minutes later.

00:48:36.840 I had to watch the video to see what happened.

00:48:52.520 And I'm like, man, all the guys came over to me and said something to me.

00:48:56.520 I ain't heard nothing.

00:48:57.560 Wow.

00:48:58.520 I didn't even know they, I didn't even know they were there.

00:49:03.080 I was so out of it, you know.

00:49:07.160 Did Flex know anything that you were going to win or Flex didn't know?

00:49:10.440 He didn't have a clue.

00:49:11.880 Like, remember I got a ninth the year before.

00:49:13.640 I know you did.

00:49:14.280 You got ninth.

00:49:14.840 Believe me, I got all the stuff here.

00:49:16.200 You got ninth the year before and when you came back up, nobody was thinking you were going to be

00:49:20.440 first.

00:49:21.160 Not even, not even me.

00:49:22.040 Right.

00:49:22.760 To go from ninth to first.

00:49:23.960 So I was thinking, man, if I could make top five, I'd be happiest guy ever.

00:49:30.280 So Flex was going in knowing it's going to be his show.

00:49:32.280 It's going to be his, got it. 0.87

00:49:33.480 And that was his biggest downfall.

00:49:36.440 What, what, what, you know, competitors, you go to sleep and sometimes, you know,

00:49:46.840 those who are perfectionists, I kind of put you in the perfectionist category because I don't

00:49:50.040 think you're like a guy that wants to miss a beat.

00:49:52.040 I think you're the guy that wants to, you know, you're seeking perfection.

00:49:55.800 You don't want to be in a one person of one person.

00:49:57.320 You want to be the one of a kind, not the one person.

00:49:59.560 You want to be one of you and eight billion people around the world.

00:50:01.960 Exactly.

00:50:02.440 You want that kind of stuff.

00:50:03.320 Like let's just say MJ, Ronnie, you put certain people in that category, right?

00:50:07.160 Brady.

00:50:07.880 Yeah.

00:50:08.440 They all remember the, the one loss or the one moment or the one victory, you know,

00:50:16.040 like the most painful, most rewarding.

00:50:19.000 Is yours most painful, the loss to Jay and most rewarding, the first to flex?

00:50:25.000 Or would you say no, it's something else?

00:50:28.680 Something else.

00:50:30.680 What would it be?

00:50:31.960 My most painful was losing to Lee Priest.

00:50:37.720 At which one?

00:50:39.560 The Pro, the Iron Pro?

00:50:40.360 The 97, the 97 Iron Man Pro.

00:50:43.320 You got third, you got second, I think, right?

00:50:45.160 Yeah.

00:50:45.400 Or something like that.

00:50:45.960 Yeah.

00:50:46.120 Mm-hmm.

00:50:47.240 That was the most painful.

00:50:48.360 Yeah.

00:50:48.760 Because I quit after that.

00:50:52.600 Well, the next show I quit.

00:50:56.600 Until I quickly reminded myself I got a free membership to Jim because of this thing.

00:51:01.560 I don't want to lose it.

00:51:04.440 That's simple, man.

00:51:05.480 You're simple.

00:51:06.360 Going back to your basic principles.

00:51:08.120 Yeah.

00:51:09.080 Can't give that up.

00:51:09.560 What bothered you about losing to Lee out of everybody?

00:51:15.320 He was a little guy.

00:51:17.160 I was a big guy.

00:51:18.120 Losing to a 5'4 guy was kind of.

00:51:20.040 Yeah.

00:51:20.280 Yeah.

00:51:21.480 Kind of depressing.

00:51:23.160 I mean, losing to Jay wasn't the thing about losing to Jay.

00:51:27.800 It was just me losing, you know, because I had won eight in a row.

00:51:32.680 So that didn't even factor into the equation.

00:51:40.120 And I could lose to Jay any day.

00:51:44.680 Jay is a lovable guy.

00:51:45.880 You know, I love Jay.

00:51:48.120 He's one of the best guys out there in the sport.

00:51:52.120 Him and Kai and Lee Haney, you know.

00:51:57.560 So if that's the most painful with you and Lee.

00:51:59.480 I think you lost five times that year to him or the year before to Priest.

00:52:03.080 It was like five different events that had happened to him.

00:52:06.280 So I was five times depressed.

00:52:09.080 Five times depressed.

00:52:11.720 So was it a real legitimate chance of you quitting or no?

00:52:15.400 Was it legitimate?

00:52:16.280 Like, no, no.

00:52:17.400 It was just frustrated.

00:52:19.160 Yeah, frustration.

00:52:19.720 Okay, okay.

00:52:21.160 Because you, everybody, you.

00:52:23.240 I quit for like a minute.

00:52:25.640 Okay.

00:52:26.600 Got it.

00:52:27.800 I said, I told my girlfriend at the time I was quitting. 0.99

00:52:30.440 She's like, boy, shut up. 0.69

00:52:33.000 And then I was back in and into it after that. 0.99

00:52:37.320 Immediately.

00:52:38.120 Immediately.

00:52:39.800 Got it.

00:52:40.360 And then the most rewarding.

00:52:41.400 What's the most rewarding?

00:52:42.440 Oh, nothing will be winning the first one.

00:52:44.920 Okay.

00:52:45.400 You know, that was so unexpected.

00:52:49.800 Night to first, you know.

00:52:52.120 No, that's popular.

00:52:53.480 You know, when you lose your first time.

00:52:55.000 Yes.

00:52:56.280 So, so when you, when you look at this,

00:52:58.760 do you, do you look at any one of these and you say,

00:53:00.920 this is where I was flawless, the best ever?

00:53:03.560 No.

00:53:04.120 None of them.

00:53:04.600 You don't look at it like that.

00:53:05.480 No.

00:53:05.960 So what do you, what do you think about when you see this?

00:53:08.600 That look, don't look too bad.

00:53:09.880 That's it.

00:53:10.680 That look okay.

00:53:12.840 I could have been better.

00:53:14.920 You could have been better.

00:53:15.800 Yeah.

00:53:16.760 And every last one of them just didn't do everything right.

00:53:21.480 You know, if I did everything right, I would have been better.

00:53:24.760 Which was the closest call that you would say, this one was a close call.

00:53:28.200 I could have lost this one.

00:53:29.960 Uh, 2001.

00:53:31.160 Which one is 2001?

00:53:33.480 2001 is?

00:53:35.000 Probably that one.

00:53:35.960 Yeah, right there.

00:53:36.520 That's the one.

00:53:37.080 Yeah.

00:53:37.320 Yeah.

00:53:37.400 That's the one that I, I got up that morning.

00:53:39.560 I was going to the hospital.

00:53:42.520 My nutritionist talked me out of it.

00:53:45.000 Because I thought I was dying.

00:53:47.560 Felt like I was dying.

00:53:50.120 You ever, you ever had the feeling that you was dying?

00:53:53.640 Panic attack.

00:53:54.360 I felt like I was having a heart attack, but not dying.

00:53:57.080 No, I felt like I was dying.

00:53:58.360 Literally.

00:53:58.760 Yeah.

00:53:59.160 Why?

00:54:00.200 Because I couldn't walk.

00:54:02.600 I couldn't get out of bed.

00:54:04.840 And I felt awful.

00:54:07.160 Like, just think of the worst feeling that you could have.

00:54:10.040 And your whole body is aching.

00:54:13.640 And you're in pain.

00:54:14.920 And you feel awful.

00:54:17.480 And you just feel like you about to, you know, pass out at any minute.

00:54:22.920 Because I had fainted the night before.

00:54:25.240 I did pass out.

00:54:26.680 When I was putting on my tan, I fell backwards in the tub.

00:54:31.320 One minute I was wild awake.

00:54:33.880 And the next minute I was waking up in the tub like, whoa, what happened?

00:54:38.120 Is it the body fat percentage being very low and you're just lightheaded?

00:54:40.920 Or you just kind of needed some water?

00:54:42.200 Because I know he told you to drink some water.

00:54:43.480 And I kind of fixed a lot of it.

00:54:45.640 Yeah, that fixed everything.

00:54:48.600 That fixed everything.

00:54:49.720 I drank a whole gallon.

00:54:51.160 Were you on diuretics?

00:54:52.280 Were you on anything?

00:54:53.080 Yeah, well, I guess, I don't know.

00:54:56.200 I can't say for sure.

00:54:58.120 He was my nutritionist and he gave me everything, you know, pretty much.

00:55:01.560 He gave you everything?

00:55:02.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:03.240 He put some in the glass and said, drink this.

00:55:07.160 Yeah, what happened to Paul DeLette one time, right?

00:55:09.000 When he cramped up on stage?

00:55:10.440 I don't think he did what he was told to do.

00:55:15.560 I think the nutritionist told him to do something.

00:55:17.960 He's like, oh, if I do it this way, it'd be that much better.

00:55:21.960 So he just didn't listen to his nutritionist.

00:55:23.480 He didn't listen.

00:55:24.120 I got it.

00:55:24.440 Yeah.

00:55:25.480 How big of a role does your nutritionist play in winning?

00:55:30.120 Had I not had it, I wouldn't have won.

00:55:33.160 That big of a role?

00:55:34.120 That big of a role.

00:55:35.160 Was it the same one those eight years when you went back to back to back?

00:55:37.720 Yeah.

00:55:38.040 Same one.

00:55:38.920 How much trust did you have in his feedback?

00:55:41.080 One thousand percent trust.

00:55:43.000 I did every single thing he told me to do.

00:55:45.240 Got it.

00:55:46.040 Was he a nutritionist for multiple people or only you?

00:55:48.600 Multiple people.

00:55:49.320 Okay.

00:55:49.800 Me, Flex.

00:55:50.520 Flex is one that told me to go to him.

00:55:52.280 Is this Chad you're talking about?

00:55:53.400 Chad Nichols?

00:55:54.040 Yeah.

00:55:54.120 Okay.

00:55:54.680 So he was somebody that people were using.

00:55:56.600 Yeah, everybody was using him.

00:55:57.960 Everybody was using him.

00:55:58.840 Chris, yeah.

00:55:59.240 Okay, got it.

00:56:00.600 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:56:02.520 So you got, so one, you got to find the right nutritionist.

00:56:04.920 Two, you got to trust what he tells you to take.

00:56:06.440 Exactly.

00:56:06.600 And don't question it, just Paul didn't.

00:56:08.760 No, Paul didn't.

00:56:09.480 And Paul was also going through Chad?

00:56:11.000 Yeah.

00:56:11.400 Interesting.

00:56:11.800 These are backstories, you know, that no one knows about.

00:56:14.040 By the way, did anybody ever try to pull any kind of pranks on you backstage?

00:56:17.240 Never.

00:56:17.720 Never?

00:56:18.120 Never.

00:56:18.520 Why not?

00:56:19.320 Everybody's so involved in, I mean, it's so stressful.

00:56:24.680 You got so much to remember and think about.

00:56:27.000 You, you, you can't, ain't no time to joke around.

00:56:29.480 Nobody played mind games like the way you're here on Iron Man with what Arnold was doing

00:56:33.320 to Lou Ferrigno?

00:56:34.280 It's, yeah, you know, it's so much on the line, you know.

00:56:37.800 Back when they were doing it, you know, they weren't making no money or nothing.

00:56:41.000 This is our livelihood, you know.

00:56:42.760 This is how we make our money.

00:56:44.520 Got it.

00:56:44.840 So everybody's, everybody's straight, 100, 1,000% serious.

00:56:50.600 There's no joking around whatsoever.

00:56:53.560 Nobody's even in the mood to joke.

00:56:55.480 Everybody's in a bad mood too.

00:56:56.680 So no one's talking to each other backstage.

00:56:58.440 Nobody's talking to each other.

00:57:00.600 We all in the same room ain't saying nothing to each other.

00:57:03.960 Everybody's got their head down, either reading,

00:57:07.160 thinking about what they got to do once they get out there on stage.

00:57:09.160 Nothing.

00:57:09.720 Nothing.

00:57:10.120 You know how sometimes in wrestling they say, one of the wrestlers who's a world champion,

00:57:14.040 he says, I hug my opponent to see how much, would you guys hug to see how hard, you know, how.

00:57:19.080 Nobody's making no contact, no, no, no talking, no nothing.

00:57:23.080 Not even, hey, Ronnie, how you doing?

00:57:24.360 No, nothing.

00:57:24.840 How's family?

00:57:25.160 Nothing, nothing like that.

00:57:26.120 Not even flex your boy.

00:57:27.240 Not even flex your boy.

00:57:29.240 Everybody's game face.

00:57:31.080 They're like, oh, we're getting, we're going to war with each other.

00:57:35.800 Did you ever have any kind of altercations with anyone on stage or backstage?

00:57:39.080 No, never, never.

00:57:40.200 I know sometimes you guys do the elbows.

00:57:41.480 A Jay one time shot an elbow at you and you guys kind of went back and forth.

00:57:44.520 I don't even remember.

00:57:48.440 I don't even remember.

00:57:50.040 I never even thought about that kind of stuff, you know.

00:57:52.920 You know, of course, everybody's jockeying for position, so we shoving each other around on stage.

00:57:57.480 Yeah.

00:57:57.720 But you're not even thinking about.

00:57:58.840 You're not thinking about who's doing it or what.

00:58:01.640 But you weren't even, you weren't even a temperamental guy.

00:58:03.560 You were not a fighter in high school.

00:58:04.760 It's not like you at least you're cool or anything.

00:58:06.360 No, no, no.

00:58:06.520 You're a pretty chill guy, easy going guy.

00:58:08.440 I never even had a fight in high school or college.

00:58:11.000 Ever.

00:58:11.400 Ever.

00:58:11.880 You've never had a fist fight.

00:58:12.920 Never.

00:58:13.640 You've never had a fist fight.

00:58:14.760 Never.

00:58:15.160 You've never punched somebody in the face.

00:58:16.520 Never.

00:58:17.160 Not even as a cop.

00:58:17.960 No.

00:58:18.680 Well.

00:58:23.640 What?

00:58:27.960 That's not go too far.

00:58:28.840 That's not go too far.

00:58:31.800 Someone didn't get punched in the face.

00:58:36.920 Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

00:58:39.160 I got tears in my eyes, man.

00:58:41.480 That's funny.

00:58:42.680 So, but what I'm saying is you're a pretty calm guy.

00:58:45.000 Yeah, pretty calm.

00:58:46.040 So, you know, I'm looking at all your victories.

00:58:48.040 I mean, Mr. Olympia, when you competed from 92, you placed 16.

00:58:54.280 And then in 93, you're out.

00:58:56.600 I didn't qualify.

00:58:57.400 You didn't qualify because you didn't have, yeah.

00:58:59.080 I didn't make top three in show.

00:59:00.840 And then in 94, you're back and you compete.

00:59:02.920 This is the one that Yates wins.

00:59:04.760 So, Yates first.

00:59:05.720 Then it's Sean Ray, LeVron.

00:59:07.000 DeLette fourth.

00:59:07.800 Oh, wow.

00:59:08.280 Okay.

00:59:08.600 Cormier sixth.

00:59:09.480 Porter fifth.

00:59:10.760 El Sombati seven.

00:59:13.080 Munster is ninth.

00:59:14.440 And then Aaron Baker is

00:59:15.800 12th.

00:59:16.760 And then you're 15th place.

00:59:18.840 And you got a thousand dollars.

00:59:20.280 Now, when you were given this massive check of a thousand dollars, what'd you do?

00:59:25.000 Oh, man.

00:59:26.520 I was the happiest guy ever.

00:59:29.400 I went out and bought a big screen TV.

00:59:31.160 And you remember until today with the thousand dollars.

00:59:34.600 Yeah, of course I do.

00:59:37.160 Then you go 11th.

00:59:38.200 But 11th, it says you got no money though.

00:59:39.960 They didn't pay money in 1995 or they did?

00:59:43.880 They did.

00:59:44.360 Still a small amount though.

00:59:45.480 Yeah.

00:59:45.560 Nothing crazy.

00:59:46.200 Yeah.

00:59:46.520 Probably another thousand.

00:59:47.800 And in 96, you win your sixth.

00:59:49.800 You beat Cormier.

00:59:51.560 And was Jean-Pierre Fuchs anybody that you felt like you saw?

00:59:54.520 Because he's a big guy.

00:59:55.320 Was he somebody where you said this guy can be a threat or no?

00:59:58.360 Yeah.

00:59:58.680 You did see him like that.

00:59:59.640 Yeah, I did.

01:00:00.200 Yeah.

01:00:00.440 Because Jean, Jean to me.

01:00:01.640 He was big.

01:00:02.040 Yeah, he was big.

01:00:02.920 And thick.

01:00:03.880 That's, I remember that as well.

01:00:05.320 So, any time with DeLette?

01:00:07.240 Was DeLette any time a threat to you?

01:00:08.760 Were you like, DeLette maybe somebody I need to go through or not really?

01:00:11.240 Yeah.

01:00:12.520 Yeah, same thing with DeLette. 1.00

01:00:13.560 Same thing with DeLette. 1.00

01:00:14.440 Because I would figure you guys are the big boys, you know?

01:00:16.600 Yeah.

01:00:17.080 So then in 97, you place ninth.

01:00:19.160 You go from sixth, you drop off to ninth.

01:00:21.480 So now Cormier and Fuchs beat you.

01:00:23.560 Lee Priest, your best friend, beats you.

01:00:25.400 They beat me in that show?

01:00:27.320 Lee beat you in that show.

01:00:28.280 He's sixth.

01:00:29.240 What?

01:00:29.800 You don't remember?

01:00:30.280 In 97, he beat you.

01:00:31.320 He's sixth.

01:00:31.800 You're ninth.

01:00:32.520 I blocked everything out.

01:00:33.880 I blocked everything out.

01:00:36.760 By the way, this is the one that El Sombati should have won, right?

01:00:39.160 Yeah.

01:00:39.240 That a lot of people say 97.

01:00:40.440 Uh-huh.

01:00:40.920 Is he somebody that when you saw it, you said, this is an impressive.

01:00:44.040 Yeah.

01:00:44.280 Like, were you fully impressed by El Sombati's physique?

01:00:46.200 Yeah, I was.

01:00:47.640 Would you put him like peak, big guys, like even more impressive at his peak than Doreen Yates?

01:00:52.040 Yeah.

01:00:52.680 You put El Sombati ahead of Yates as impressive?

01:00:55.080 Yeah.

01:00:55.400 Seriously?

01:00:55.960 Yeah.

01:00:56.280 That's a big statement, Ronnie.

01:00:57.480 Yeah, but you wasn't there.

01:00:59.000 You didn't see him.

01:00:59.800 I'm asking you for you to say it because from your perspective, that's a big statement.

01:01:03.240 Yeah, from my perspective, yeah.

01:01:04.040 That's what I saw.

01:01:05.960 Wow.

01:01:06.360 Yeah, I thought he should have won easy.

01:01:09.240 I remember in an interview one time, he said he hated the gym.

01:01:11.960 Like, he wasn't the guy that liked it, El Sombati.

01:01:14.680 El Sombati says he would go to it.

01:01:15.880 Flex said that same thing, too.

01:01:17.320 Yeah.

01:01:17.720 He says he didn't like the gym, but he would go to it because he was also very technical

01:01:21.880 and data guy and, you know.

01:01:23.000 Yeah, he was smart.

01:01:24.840 Real smart guy.

01:01:25.720 Very intelligent.

01:01:26.120 Did you ever have any interaction with El Sombati or no?

01:01:27.880 One of my best friends.

01:01:29.720 El Sombati.

01:01:30.600 Yeah.

01:01:31.000 Mm-hmm.

01:01:32.120 I talked to him all the time.

01:01:33.480 How was his personality?

01:01:34.840 The nicest guy he ever wanted to meet.

01:01:36.280 El Sombati.

01:01:37.160 The nicest guy ever.

01:01:38.520 Wow.

01:01:39.320 How about Yates?

01:01:40.280 Yates and you had relationships?

01:01:41.480 No, no.

01:01:41.960 I never talked to him.

01:01:43.080 You guys never spoke.

01:01:44.040 Mm-mm.

01:01:44.360 At all.

01:01:44.760 No.

01:01:45.080 Him not reaching out to you, you never reaching out to him.

01:01:46.840 Mm-mm.

01:01:47.240 Is it etiquette in the world of Mr. Olympia where you win, the guy prior to you sends you

01:01:52.320 a call and says, hey, man, congratulations.

01:01:53.800 No, no, no.

01:01:53.880 That's not etiquette in Mr. Olympia, period.

01:01:55.560 No, period.

01:01:56.360 No.

01:01:56.760 Okay.

01:01:57.160 So, okay.

01:01:58.440 That's interesting.

01:01:59.480 So then, 98, you win.

01:02:01.080 You go from ninth to first.

01:02:03.960 You're shell-shocked.

01:02:05.320 Yeah.

01:02:05.840 And then from there, you go beat Flex again next to you.

01:02:08.820 Cormier is now third.

01:02:10.000 LeBron's fourth.

01:02:10.940 Sean fifth.

01:02:11.580 El Sombati's sixth, and then Dexter Jackson is kind of coming up.

01:02:15.540 Yeah.

01:02:16.540 And Dexter's got a Flex Wheeler-esque type of a physique, except Dexter got one, Flex didn't

01:02:22.700 pick one up.

01:02:23.820 Then your first, LeBron is now second.

01:02:26.380 How did you view LeBron's physique?

01:02:27.660 Because to me, LeBron's physique was out of this world as well.

01:02:31.060 Yeah.

01:02:32.060 I feel the same way.

01:02:34.060 What's the biggest difference for you from Kevin and Flex's physique?

01:02:39.440 Flex had better shape.

01:02:43.400 He had better shape.

01:02:44.400 Yeah.

01:02:45.400 I think Flex had better shape than me.

01:02:47.400 He just didn't have work ethic.

01:02:49.400 Got it.

01:02:50.400 Yeah.

01:02:51.400 He didn't have dedication.

01:02:53.360 To the game.

01:02:55.360 Yeah.

01:02:56.360 Flex told me he'd work out and go to the strip club.

01:03:01.360 So you had a dedication to women, at least.

01:03:03.360 Yeah.

01:03:04.360 I work out, I'm going to work.

01:03:07.320 Are you in contact right now with Flex?

01:03:10.320 Yeah.

01:03:11.320 My best friend in the world.

01:03:12.320 How's he doing, by the way?

01:03:14.320 He's doing okay.

01:03:15.320 He's hanging in there.

01:03:16.320 He's got a real nice attitude about losing his leg and everything.

01:03:21.320 I'm like, shoot.

01:03:22.320 Dude, I lost mine four years ago.

01:03:25.320 I know Dennis James started a GoFundMe, by the way.

01:03:29.820 Oh, he did?

01:03:30.820 Did you hear about it?

01:03:31.820 Is it Dennis James?

01:03:32.820 Somebody started a GoFundMe.

01:03:33.820 Did you see that?

01:03:34.820 Paul, can you look it up to see who it is?

01:03:35.820 Because if somebody did, I'd like to put the link below if somebody did to create awareness

01:03:39.380 for it.

01:03:40.380 I need to go and put some money in there.

01:03:41.380 Yeah.

01:03:42.380 If you got that, I just would put the link below.

01:03:43.380 I've been meaning to go see him, too.

01:03:46.380 Flex?

01:03:47.380 Mm-hmm.

01:03:48.380 Yeah.

01:03:49.380 And you know what's crazy about Flex?

01:03:50.380 Because everybody likes him, respects him, and views him as one of the greatest bodybuilders

01:03:57.380 ever.

01:03:58.380 Ever.

01:03:59.380 Yeah.

01:04:00.380 Everybody.

01:04:01.380 Yeah.

01:04:02.380 Yeah, me too.

01:04:03.380 You put him there as well.

01:04:04.380 Yeah.

01:04:05.380 What was LeVron's strength when you looked at LeVron's?

01:04:06.380 Kevin.

01:04:07.380 He had everything except, you know, he was just missing some legs.

01:04:14.380 Legs for Kevin?

01:04:15.380 Yeah.

01:04:16.380 Okay.

01:04:17.380 So let me ask you.

01:04:18.380 When you look at some of the stuff today, like when you look at some of the new guys

01:04:21.380 that are competing, what do you think about when you see these guys?

01:04:25.380 These are some of the new guys that are competing versus your era.

01:04:31.380 I don't see it.

01:04:36.380 Really?

01:04:37.380 Meaning they wouldn't be able to compete in your era at all?

01:04:40.380 No.

01:04:41.380 No, they wouldn't make the top five.

01:04:43.380 Did you hear what Yates said about Brandon Curry or no?

01:04:46.380 No.

01:04:47.380 No, I didn't hear.

01:04:48.380 What did he say?

01:04:49.380 You seriously didn't hear what Yates said about him?

01:04:50.380 I didn't hear.

01:04:51.380 No, I don't really keep up with nothing.

01:04:52.380 So Yates was sitting right here just a month and a half ago, I want to say, something like

01:04:55.380 that.

01:04:56.380 And Yates said Curry wouldn't have placed in the top six in his era.

01:05:00.380 Brandon Curry, at this for Zig, he definitely wouldn't have placed in the top six.

01:05:04.380 He wouldn't placed in the top six in the 90s.

01:05:06.380 He wouldn't placed in the top six.

01:05:07.380 No.

01:05:08.380 He says Curry, meaning in the era that he came prior to you and you came afterwards.

01:05:12.380 I won't have to kind of agree with that.

01:05:14.380 You do kind of agree with him?

01:05:15.380 Yeah.

01:05:16.380 Do you and Yates typically agree on things?

01:05:18.380 No, I don't.

01:05:19.380 This is a first when you and Yates agree.

01:05:22.380 That's pretty interesting.

01:05:24.380 And what's the biggest thing when you see that, when you say it's not at R?

01:05:29.380 What is the biggest thing?

01:05:30.380 Because you were late 90s.

01:05:32.380 Conditioning is not the same.

01:05:34.380 Look at those guys.

01:05:35.380 I mean, nobody looks like they've been on a diet, like a real diet diet.

01:05:42.380 How do you judge that?

01:05:43.380 What are you looking at?

01:05:44.380 What's your eyes looking at?

01:05:45.380 Honestly, what's your eyes looking at?

01:05:47.380 Nobody really looks in shape, you know?

01:05:52.380 Nobody really looks in shape.

01:05:53.380 They look okay, you know?

01:05:55.380 Wow.

01:05:56.380 Okay.

01:05:57.380 You think so?

01:05:58.380 No, but you got to realize I am not in the world to see it.

01:06:04.380 But when you look at it from this perspective, you kind of look at these guys and they look good.

01:06:08.380 They look okay.

01:06:10.380 But not to your level, huh?

01:06:13.380 Yeah.

01:06:14.380 You put them next to me, Flex, Kevin, and Sean, guys like that, you're like, whoa, this is a big difference.

01:06:22.380 Who do you, who do you, any of the guys you faced, who do you think?

01:06:25.380 They're going to beat none of the guys I faced.

01:06:27.380 So let me ask you, could Nassar be beating all these guys?

01:06:30.380 Easy.

01:06:31.380 Robby, you're having too much fun with this one.

01:06:36.380 They're not in the same class with him.

01:06:41.380 Not in the same class as...

01:06:43.380 Nassar is way up here, they way down here.

01:06:45.380 Sean Ray, same way.

01:06:46.380 Sean Ray is way up here.

01:06:48.380 Kevin, same way.

01:06:49.380 Flex, same way.

01:06:50.380 So Flex would have beaten these guys.

01:06:51.380 Oh.

01:06:52.380 They would have been like tense and flex.

01:06:55.380 Oh, you're even going above that.

01:06:57.380 Do you think it's because of the distractions they have today?

01:07:00.380 It's an era.

01:07:01.380 It's a different era.

01:07:02.380 Do you think because they have more distractions today or no?

01:07:04.380 No, no.

01:07:05.380 It's just not the level of discipline that you guys have?

01:07:06.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:07.380 It's a different era.

01:07:08.380 You know, everybody competes on a certain level.

01:07:10.380 So they're looking at everybody else.

01:07:12.380 They're like, well, they're not that good.

01:07:15.380 So I'm going to be just like them.

01:07:18.380 I don't have to bring it at that level.

01:07:19.380 Yeah, I don't have to bring it at that level.

01:07:20.380 I got it.

01:07:21.380 So back when I was competing, everybody was like, whoa, man, you got to be in shape.

01:07:27.380 You got to be in condition to compete against these guys.

01:07:31.380 So I got to take it to another level.

01:07:33.380 But Ronnie, you would put Phil at the level of you guys competing.

01:07:36.380 Oh, yeah.

01:07:37.380 Oh, yeah.

01:07:38.380 Okay.

01:07:39.380 So if Phil was competing during your era, he would be competition for you guys.

01:07:41.380 Yeah.

01:07:42.380 Okay.

01:07:43.380 What are your top five bodybuilders?

01:07:44.380 If you were to say, physiques-wise, where you say top five, best Mr. Olin, best bodybuilders

01:07:49.380 of all time, who's on your list?

01:07:50.380 See, I got Arnold.

01:07:52.380 I got Lee.

01:07:53.380 I got Phil, Flex, and Kevin.

01:08:00.380 Ahead of Dorian?

01:08:01.380 So Dorian's not your top five.

01:08:04.380 Uh, well, well, my top five?

01:08:12.380 Like you wouldn't put Dorian ahead of Flex?

01:08:13.380 No, no.

01:08:14.380 I got Flex ahead of me.

01:08:15.380 Got it.

01:08:16.380 Would you put Dorian ahead of Kevin?

01:08:17.380 No.

01:08:18.380 Is it because you like Kevin or is it because you're talking physique to physique?

01:08:19.380 I'm going physique.

01:08:20.380 I'm going physique, shape and stuff.

01:08:21.380 You're putting Kevin ahead of Dorian.

01:08:22.380 I like, I love Kevin's physique, the way it was shaped and stuff.

01:08:28.380 Interesting.

01:08:29.380 And the way he posed.

01:08:30.380 I love everything about Kevin.

01:08:31.380 So if that's your five, who's your six?

01:08:32.380 Kevin?

01:08:33.380 Six?

01:08:34.380 Hmm.

01:08:35.380 So you said Arnold, Haney.

01:08:36.380 Sean Ray?

01:08:37.380 Did I put Sean?

01:08:38.380 No, you haven't said Sean Ray.

01:08:39.380 No, Sean, yeah.

01:08:40.380 So Sean ahead of Dorian.

01:08:41.380 Man, I like Sean a lot.

01:08:42.380 I even, I like Sean so much.

01:08:43.380 You know my, the routine I used for my, uh, uh, 98 win?

01:08:46.380 Mm-hmm.

01:08:47.380 So you said Arnold, Haney.

01:08:48.380 Sean Ray?

01:08:49.380 Did I put Sean?

01:08:50.380 No, you haven't said Sean Ray.

01:08:51.380 Sean, yeah.

01:08:52.380 So Sean ahead of Dorian.

01:08:53.380 Man, I, I, I like Sean a lot.

01:08:57.380 I, I, I even, I like Sean so much.

01:09:00.380 You know my, the routine I used for my, uh, 98 win?

01:09:05.380 Mm-hmm.

01:09:06.380 That was Sean's routine.

01:09:07.380 I put him in the table, Sean.

01:09:09.380 And I did every pose he did, pose for pose.

01:09:13.380 To some stuff he could, he did that I couldn't do.

01:09:16.380 So I was like most muscular.

01:09:17.380 Mm-hmm.

01:09:18.380 Like I, I can't do that one.

01:09:20.380 So let me throw something else in there.

01:09:21.380 That's pretty, I mean, the way you're, you're putting it.

01:09:23.380 I mean, that's some, uh, that's some, uh, Jay.

01:09:28.380 I got, I got Sean my all-time best.

01:09:30.380 Yeah.

01:09:31.380 Is Jay Cutler top ten on your list?

01:09:32.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:33.380 Top ten, yeah.

01:09:34.380 Top ten.

01:09:35.380 And Dorian you're top ten.

01:09:36.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:37.380 But just not top five.

01:09:38.380 No, not top five.

01:09:39.380 Any crazy person that never won that you, you really were impressed by?

01:09:42.380 Yeah.

01:09:43.380 Uh, Aaron Baker.

01:09:44.380 Aaron Baker?

01:09:45.380 Yeah.

01:09:46.380 Wow.

01:09:47.380 Aaron Baker and I met 15 years ago.

01:09:50.380 I was real impressed with Aaron.

01:09:52.380 Aaron Baker, I saw him one time at, uh, Century Club.

01:09:54.380 I mean, that's a long time.

01:09:55.380 I'll never forget the first time I saw Aaron.

01:09:57.380 I thought he was a, uh, a superhero.

01:10:00.380 He looked like one. 0.71

01:10:02.380 Aaron Baker was a superhero.

01:10:03.380 And he dressed, he was Batman, actually.

01:10:05.380 Yeah.

01:10:06.380 He came out and did a Batman routine.

01:10:07.380 I thought it was, uh, it was actually the best thing I've ever seen.

01:10:11.380 You still keep in contact with Aaron or no?

01:10:13.380 I haven't seen Aaron in ten years, I think.

01:10:15.380 Okay.

01:10:16.380 Got it.

01:10:17.380 I don't even know.

01:10:18.380 Is he still alive?

01:10:19.380 I think he's a priest.

01:10:20.380 I think.

01:10:21.380 The last time I spoke to him, he was talking about God.

01:10:22.380 I think.

01:10:23.380 But that was 13 years ago.

01:10:24.380 I don't know.

01:10:25.380 I've seen a lot of people go from priest to, you know, doing other things.

01:10:28.380 Mm-hmm.

01:10:29.380 But, you know, I'm just gonna leave it at that.

01:10:30.380 So, let me go a little bit more.

01:10:32.380 Let me go with this, okay?

01:10:34.380 You said Arnold's in your top five.

01:10:36.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:37.380 Okay.

01:10:38.380 You look at this, what do you think about it?

01:10:39.380 You and Arnold.

01:10:40.380 Well, I'm in a lot better condition.

01:10:42.380 But Arnold's got so big and got so much shape, you know, so greater shape, you know.

01:10:48.380 Greater shape.

01:10:49.380 Yeah.

01:10:50.380 So, let me ask you.

01:10:51.380 Arnold with a nutritionist like Chad Nichols at six, two and a half.

01:10:56.380 Arnold would have been by far the best bodybuilder ever.

01:10:59.380 Nobody would have been touching.

01:11:01.380 You're not even holding back saying that.

01:11:03.380 No, no, no.

01:11:04.380 Look at that shape.

01:11:05.380 I got it.

01:11:06.380 Look at that chest.

01:11:08.380 Nobody got that, even in the day.

01:11:10.380 He got the biggest chest ever.

01:11:12.380 And if he'd have had our stuff, I'd look like a little boy standing next to him.

01:11:18.380 If he had Chad, if he had your nutritionist.

01:11:20.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:21.380 And the technology.

01:11:22.380 Yeah.

01:11:23.380 He'd have been by far the best thing ever put out on stage.

01:11:28.380 No one close to him.

01:11:29.380 No one close to him.

01:11:30.380 Lee Haney's not close to him.

01:11:31.380 No.

01:11:32.380 You're not close to him.

01:11:33.380 If he had a Chad Nichols today.

01:11:34.380 No.

01:11:35.380 That's the highest level of compliment you can give to him.

01:11:36.380 Well, look at that though.

01:11:39.380 Look at that.

01:11:40.380 Ain't nobody got nothing like that no more.

01:11:42.380 That's respect for you to be able to give it the way you do.

01:11:45.380 What do you think about when you think about this?

01:11:47.380 Oh, yeah.

01:11:48.380 That's me learning the game right there.

01:11:52.380 Yeah.

01:11:53.380 That's me learning.

01:11:55.380 I wasn't in that condition right there.

01:11:58.380 Where is that?

01:11:59.380 Couldn't tell you.

01:12:00.380 I don't know what year that is.

01:12:02.380 I think that's like, 06 maybe.

01:12:06.380 Somewhere in there.

01:12:08.380 But you can see I'm a lot harder here than I am here.

01:12:12.380 He's a dreamer.

01:12:13.380 When you see this guy, you think about a guy that is still maybe doubting himself that

01:12:19.380 he could win it one day or?

01:12:21.380 No, no, no.

01:12:22.380 He's a pretty confident guy.

01:12:23.380 This is just me having fun.

01:12:24.380 Not even thinking about, you know, being great.

01:12:27.380 This is just, you're not planning on being the greatest bodybuilder or add all the kink. 1.00

01:12:31.380 I'm just doing this for the free membership.

01:12:34.380 Still for the free member because you're not even a womanizer. 0.51

01:12:37.380 You mentioned all these women in your book, which is pretty interesting, but you're not

01:12:40.380 a guy that was, you know, you had chasing squirrels all the time.

01:12:45.380 That was not really your game.

01:12:46.380 No, no, because I just get out on the police department.

01:12:49.380 So I'm still learning the police job and I'm still trying to learn this thing too.

01:12:54.380 So I got two things that I'm trying to learn right now.

01:12:58.380 Once I learned them, I was a killer.

01:13:01.380 You think about this?

01:13:03.380 I see that now and it's kind of shocking to me.

01:13:07.380 This doesn't even make sense.

01:13:09.380 Yeah.

01:13:10.380 That's what I'd be saying.

01:13:11.380 Like, man.

01:13:12.380 I didn't know.

01:13:13.380 I had no idea how I looked until I saw the pictures.

01:13:17.380 What would you rank your back against everybody else?

01:13:19.380 Would you say you can go pound for pound against anybody when it comes onto your lats?

01:13:22.380 Yeah.

01:13:23.380 Yeah.

01:13:24.380 I think, you know, that right there, yeah.

01:13:27.380 Do you think your number one, you know, some is, you said Arnold chest, some is legs,

01:13:32.380 some is this.

01:13:33.380 What do you put your first?

01:13:34.380 Is it gun?

01:13:35.380 Is it your biceps?

01:13:36.380 Where would you say you were superior over everybody?

01:13:39.380 I would say my back.

01:13:40.380 Your back.

01:13:41.380 Interesting.

01:13:42.380 Yeah.

01:13:43.380 This is, Ronnie, I'm having too much fun right now.

01:13:46.380 So much on my back.

01:13:47.380 You did?

01:13:48.380 On your back?

01:13:49.380 Yeah.

01:13:50.380 Let's talk about Joe Weider.

01:13:51.380 So I want to kind of catch up a little bit on Joe Weider because you had a chance to

01:13:56.380 spend some time with Joe Weider, right?

01:13:57.380 I think one time you told Flex that Joe complimented me and that you signed with them, right?

01:14:02.380 Yeah.

01:14:03.380 When you signed with them.

01:14:04.380 Yeah.

01:14:05.380 How was that when Joe said, hey, we want to sign you?

01:14:07.380 What was that like for you?

01:14:08.380 Oh, that was the best feeling in the world.

01:14:11.380 It was kind of like unbelievable.

01:14:14.380 Why is that?

01:14:15.380 Because I never thought it would happen.

01:14:18.380 This was 98.

01:14:20.380 I've been in the sport for, what, eight years, nine years already?

01:14:23.380 You said this is 98.

01:14:25.380 Never even spoke to him.

01:14:27.380 Never even said anything to him.

01:14:30.380 He never said nothing to me either.

01:14:32.380 And then you win, then they give the contract or pre-winning they give you the say that?

01:14:37.380 Pre-winning, pre-judging, he was all over me.

01:14:40.380 So they pretty much kind of had an idea.

01:14:43.380 You're the one.

01:14:44.380 Joe had an idea.

01:14:45.380 Joe had an idea.

01:14:46.380 Oh, Joe.

01:14:47.380 Got it.

01:14:48.380 Joe was so confident he gave me a six year contract.

01:14:53.380 And has that happened at that time?

01:14:56.380 No, that ain't never happened.

01:14:57.380 No one got a six year contract?

01:14:58.380 Nobody got a six year.

01:14:59.380 Did Flex sign with them or no?

01:15:01.380 Yeah, Flex was signed with them.

01:15:02.380 So he was signed and you signed as well?

01:15:04.380 Yeah.

01:15:05.380 But you got a six year.

01:15:06.380 I got a six year.

01:15:07.380 Was this the first time you got a taste of money or?

01:15:09.380 First time I got a taste of money.

01:15:11.380 I was poor all the way up to today.

01:15:13.380 And that happened?

01:15:14.380 34, 34 years old.

01:15:16.380 Who are you dating?

01:15:17.380 Are you with Vicky or you're now?

01:15:18.380 Vicky.

01:15:19.380 You're with Vicky at that time.

01:15:20.380 By the way, how long were you and Vicky together?

01:15:22.380 About six years.

01:15:23.380 So that's a good time.

01:15:24.380 You and Vicky were together for a good time.

01:15:25.380 Good.

01:15:26.380 Okay.

01:15:27.380 So then you start, you're like, you got the guy in your corner, the guy that built up,

01:15:30.380 you know, the brand, the guy that Mr. Olympia, Larry Scott, first one, I think 1965.

01:15:35.380 And then you got all these other guys that are coming up.

01:15:37.380 When you got that, next for you, how much time did you spend with Joe?

01:15:42.380 Was Joe calling you?

01:15:43.380 Did you have time with Joe?

01:15:44.380 Did you do photo shoots?

01:15:45.380 Was he taking you out?

01:15:46.380 Was he kind of taking you under his wing?

01:15:48.380 Did you guys spend a lot of time together?

01:15:49.380 Mm-hmm.

01:15:50.380 Yes?

01:15:51.380 Yeah.

01:15:52.380 How was Joe?

01:15:53.380 Nicest guy I've ever met in my whole life.

01:15:55.380 Nicest guy you ever met in your whole life?

01:15:56.380 Nicest guy I've ever met in my whole life.

01:15:58.380 I would go see Joe.

01:16:00.380 First thing he'd say, let's go eat.

01:16:02.380 You know how we are about eating.

01:16:04.380 Then I would go to his house, he'd call his maids, put some food on.

01:16:09.380 I'd bring my friends around, like, let's feed everybody.

01:16:13.380 He treated me like he treated my friends like he treated me.

01:16:20.380 He was nice to everybody.

01:16:22.380 Nicest guy you ever want to meet.

01:16:25.380 Wow.

01:16:26.380 Greatest guy you ever want to meet.

01:16:27.380 I still miss him today.

01:16:29.380 Joe Weider.

01:16:30.380 Yeah, I'd give anything and have him alive.

01:16:33.380 Wow.

01:16:34.380 See what bodybuilding, how much higher it would go.

01:16:40.380 How much better it would be.

01:16:42.380 It would be a whole lot better.

01:16:43.380 If he was around?

01:16:44.380 If he was around.

01:16:45.380 So you don't think anyone's replaced him?

01:16:46.380 Nobody cared like he did.

01:16:48.380 He was madly in love with it.

01:16:51.380 Madly in love with it.

01:16:53.380 More in love with it than I was.

01:16:55.380 I listened to everything he said and did everything he said do.

01:17:02.380 Because everything he said do worked.

01:17:04.380 I'm like, okay.

01:17:06.380 He's smart, for real.

01:17:08.380 He knows his stuff.

01:17:10.380 He's intelligent.

01:17:12.380 He's really nice to have so much money, you know.

01:17:15.380 He'd think he'd be, you know, have this attitude like I'm better than you.

01:17:20.380 He wasn't like that.

01:17:21.380 He wasn't like that?

01:17:22.380 Not at all.

01:17:23.380 Him and Arnold are the same.

01:17:24.380 Arnold, another guy, one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

01:17:28.380 What's the biggest difference between Arnold and Joe?

01:17:31.380 Man, they're the same.

01:17:33.380 They're the same.

01:17:34.380 I think Arnold takes after Joe.

01:17:36.380 Wow.

01:17:37.380 I mean, Arnold, you'd think he had his attitude about, you know, because he's got all this

01:17:43.380 money and fame.

01:17:44.380 He's just the normal, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.

01:17:47.380 I mean, I would take people in to meet Arnold and he'd just talk to them like he'd know

01:17:52.380 him all his life.

01:17:53.380 Arnold loves everybody.

01:17:55.380 He's another one of the nicest guy in the sport.

01:18:01.380 Is that a common consensus amongst everybody or just you mainly?

01:18:06.380 I don't know about everybody.

01:18:08.380 But that's your experience with him.

01:18:10.380 I'm just going by one.

01:18:11.380 Because some people have said otherwise with Arnold he was so competitive that he had a different

01:18:16.380 and maybe it's because of people.

01:18:17.380 I'm like that too.

01:18:18.380 Right.

01:18:19.380 Right.

01:18:20.380 Well, I mean, for me, you've got to realize I'm an Arnold guy.

01:18:22.380 I mean, I've been, he went, we went to the same community college together.

01:18:26.380 For me, I followed this guy's career from day one.

01:18:29.380 But going back to Joe, do you think when Joe died?

01:18:33.380 The sport died.

01:18:35.380 You believe that?

01:18:36.380 I do.

01:18:37.380 You believe that?

01:18:38.380 Mm-hmm.

01:18:39.380 So what do you think is the future of Mr. Olympia?

01:18:42.380 I don't know.

01:18:43.380 I have no idea.

01:18:44.380 I think it would be a whole lot better if Joe was around.

01:18:47.380 I know.

01:18:48.380 I know it would be a whole lot better if Joe was around.

01:18:50.380 What would be different?

01:18:52.380 Everything.

01:18:53.380 Everything would be different.

01:18:55.380 Level of competition like you're seeing some of the physics.

01:18:57.380 It would be higher?

01:18:58.380 Yep.

01:18:59.380 It would be higher.

01:19:00.380 It would be better.

01:19:01.380 Money would be better.

01:19:02.380 Everybody would be making a whole lot of money.

01:19:04.380 When Joe was around, I was making a whole lot of money.

01:19:07.380 When Joe left, shoot.

01:19:09.380 Everything changed.

01:19:12.380 Because people are not making the kind of money that he was around.

01:19:15.380 No.

01:19:16.380 And when you say, you're not just talking about the price.

01:19:18.380 I make a lot of money.

01:19:19.380 You're talking additional money from other places.

01:19:21.380 Yeah.

01:19:22.380 Because of his contacts.

01:19:23.380 Joe was trying to get the sport mainstream.

01:19:27.380 You know, I was on Jay Leno talk show and, you know, all these other talk shows.

01:19:33.380 I was doing all that kind of stuff.

01:19:34.380 Because of Joe.

01:19:35.380 Yeah.

01:19:36.380 Because of Joe.

01:19:37.380 And Arnold, you know, Arnold did a lot of stuff too.

01:19:40.380 What do you think about, what do you think about the current guys that are running the

01:19:46.380 organization, whether it's, you know, David Pecker, whether it's Jim Mannion, whether it's

01:19:51.380 Dan Solomon.

01:19:52.380 Do you have a relationship with these guys or no?

01:19:53.380 No.

01:19:54.380 You don't know any one of them?

01:19:55.380 No.

01:19:56.380 None of them.

01:19:57.380 Oh, so you don't know who Jim Mannion is, Dan Solomon is, or David Pecker is?

01:19:58.380 I know all of them.

01:19:59.380 But you don't have a relationship with them?

01:20:01.380 No.

01:20:02.380 None at all.

01:20:03.380 They don't call you to say, hey Ronnie.

01:20:04.380 No.

01:20:05.380 No.

01:20:06.380 Nothing.

01:20:07.380 Have you ever, have you gotten a call from these guys the last five years?

01:20:09.380 No.

01:20:10.380 When's the last time David Pecker or Dan or any of these?

01:20:13.380 When I was competing.

01:20:14.380 When you were competing.

01:20:15.380 So after that, no one's called you.

01:20:16.380 Nothing.

01:20:17.380 Nobody.

01:20:18.380 Is there an element of the Mr. Olympia brand that they take care of their former winners

01:20:21.380 and they...

01:20:22.380 None whatsoever.

01:20:23.380 Post Joe Weider, that doesn't happen anymore?

01:20:25.380 Once you done, you done.

01:20:27.380 Was Joe like that as well with those?

01:20:28.380 No, no.

01:20:29.380 Joe, Joe, no.

01:20:30.380 The current method is that way.

01:20:31.380 Joe kept you relevant, kept you around.

01:20:34.380 Ronnie, that's a big deal right there.

01:20:36.380 Because let's just say I'm watching this here.

01:20:38.380 Okay?

01:20:39.380 And if I'm a 16 year old, let's just say I'm a 20 year old, you know, Jay Cutler.

01:20:43.380 And I got a pretty good physique.

01:20:45.380 I can one day run for Mr. Olympia.

01:20:47.380 It's scary as hell to know that I'm going to put my body through what I need to put through

01:20:51.380 the PEDs, everything that I got to put my body through to go out there and compete.

01:20:54.380 What am I doing it for if I know someone's not going to build me up?

01:20:57.380 You don't know that.

01:20:58.380 You don't know that today.

01:20:59.380 Yeah, you don't know that.

01:21:00.380 Do you think there's anybody that could revive the Mr. Olympia brand like it once used

01:21:07.380 to?

01:21:08.380 No, no.

01:21:09.380 You don't think anybody can do it today?

01:21:10.380 No, no.

01:21:11.380 Ronnie, you don't think anyone can be like, if let's just say these guys sold 51% of the

01:21:18.380 brand to an Arnold or a Dwayne Johnson or somebody, you think a person like somebody could revitalize

01:21:24.380 it that loves the game as much as Joe did?

01:21:26.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:27.380 Okay, so you are like, if somebody like that take it.

01:21:29.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:30.380 But if the current owner stays the way it is, it's not going to happen.

01:21:32.380 Got it.

01:21:33.380 Well, I mean.

01:21:34.380 You got to love it and you got to enjoy it.

01:21:36.380 I'll tell you one thing.

01:21:37.380 You got to care about it.

01:21:38.380 If you don't, it's all about profits.

01:21:41.380 You know.

01:21:42.380 It's all about profits?

01:21:43.380 Yeah.

01:21:44.380 Today or before?

01:21:45.380 Today.

01:21:46.380 Yeah.

01:21:47.380 Not before.

01:21:48.380 It's the love of the game.

01:21:50.380 Today it's more about business than before.

01:21:51.380 Yeah, it's more of a business.

01:21:52.380 Listen, if anybody in the bodybuilding world is watching this, I would love to get Jim Mannion,

01:21:57.380 David Pecker and Dan over here to have a dialogue.

01:22:02.380 I would love to because I actually love the game and I would love to have a conversation

01:22:05.380 with them.

01:22:06.380 If they're entertaining, feel free to get a hold of us.

01:22:08.380 So, let's continue with that, with the bodybuilding side.

01:22:12.380 I remember one time you said something.

01:22:14.380 You said bodybuilding is a subjective, judging is subjective, right?

01:22:18.380 Because you can't really, like in boxing, if I knock you out, okay, I won, right?

01:22:23.380 In UFC, if I knock you out, it's over.

01:22:24.380 I win the fight, right?

01:22:25.380 In basketball, I score 100, you score 99, there's no argument.

01:22:29.380 I won the game, right?

01:22:30.380 In football, I win the game.

01:22:33.380 Bodybuilding isn't.

01:22:34.380 How much politics is involved in bodybuilding where you have to be careful on who the judges

01:22:39.380 are or you never had anything like that to worry about when you're coming up?

01:22:42.380 You know what, I always just consider myself just being concerned about the things that

01:22:52.380 I can't control, whereas the things that I can't control, never worried about it.

01:22:58.380 You never worried about it.

01:22:59.380 Okay.

01:23:00.380 But, okay, fair enough.

01:23:02.380 So, then my question goes to the next part, which is, I always look at businesses as if I

01:23:07.380 ran it or if I were to buy it.

01:23:09.380 You know, I run a financial firm here, if I was to buy a Mr. Olympia brand or if I was

01:23:14.380 to buy a restaurant that I'm sitting on, no matter what it is, I'm always looking at it

01:23:18.380 from what can happen to improve this brand, right?

01:23:21.380 You said Joe was getting ready to make this commercial, right?

01:23:25.380 Yeah.

01:23:26.380 You're going on Leno, you're going on this, and Arnold's in movies, Hercule, and Arnold's

01:23:30.380 getting, he's getting up.

01:23:31.380 So, that means attention's coming to Mr. Olympia and then he starts Arnold Classic and that's

01:23:34.380 even more.

01:23:35.380 Now, good things are going on over there.

01:23:36.380 People are kind of starting to say, oh wow, this is pretty cool.

01:23:38.380 I want to be bodybuilding.

01:23:39.380 I want to be big.

01:23:40.380 Look at these guys, right?

01:23:41.380 Yeah.

01:23:42.380 Do you think, you know, I mentioned this the other day, the fact that marijuana today has

01:23:49.380 become, what do you call it, commercialized.

01:23:54.380 It's no longer like, oh my gosh, that guy smokes marijuana, right?

01:23:57.380 He smokes weed over there.

01:23:58.380 Oh my gosh, that guy's a drug. 0.96

01:23:59.380 He's this.

01:24:00.380 Today, it's kind of like, you want to use it?

01:24:02.380 You don't want to use it?

01:24:03.380 It's up to you.

01:24:04.380 What do you want to put in your body?

01:24:05.380 Like alcohol.

01:24:06.380 Like alcohol, right?

01:24:07.380 Marijuana's kind of become like alcohol.

01:24:08.380 That's a good way of putting it.

01:24:10.380 Do you think, when you were competing, it was hush-hush to not say that you're using steroids,

01:24:16.380 PD, or any of that stuff, versus today it's becoming more open than before?

01:24:20.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:21.380 Do you think that's a good thing to make it commercialized?

01:24:23.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:24.380 So we have to be more comfortable talking about the fact that everybody's on something

01:24:28.380 that's competing at the highest level.

01:24:29.380 Yeah.

01:24:30.380 You were giving a speech one time when you said, one time Flex pulled you aside and said,

01:24:35.380 hey man, what do I need to do to compete?

01:24:37.380 And you said he introduced you to all this stuff, the PDs, all that other stuff, and then

01:24:41.380 you were able to start competing.

01:24:43.380 How much do you think today's Mr. Olympia brand, like what strategy do you think for

01:24:50.380 yourself they need to take to be able to make it so open to say, look, it's like taking

01:24:57.380 things you want to take.

01:24:59.380 Some of it could hurt your body, but it's up to the person that wants to take it.

01:25:02.380 You drink alcohol, it can give you liver cancer, it can give you a lot of different

01:25:06.380 things, but if you want to drink it, it's at your own risk.

01:25:08.380 If you want to smoke cigarettes, you can get, you know, cancer, throat cancer, but it's

01:25:12.380 at your risk.

01:25:13.380 You want to smoke weed, you want to do steroids, or you want to do PD, it's at your own risk.

01:25:18.380 Do you think they need to take that step?

01:25:20.380 Do you think they need to start talking about that?

01:25:22.380 Yeah.

01:25:23.380 I think so.

01:25:24.380 How do you go about doing that?

01:25:25.380 If you were to, if you were, if you're sitting on the board of Mr. Olympia to be able

01:25:28.380 to revise, revive this brand, what's your approach?

01:25:32.380 Well, I think if they did the way I did it, you know, I think it would be a lot better.

01:25:39.380 Because, you know, I was doing everything, everything that I did was prescribed.

01:25:43.380 And I had doctors and stuff, you know, making sure everything was okay.

01:25:48.380 Everything you used was always prescribed?

01:25:50.380 Yeah.

01:25:51.380 Doesn't matter what it was?

01:25:52.380 No matter what it was, because, you know, the DA came in and started questioning everybody,

01:25:58.380 you know, and like, what are you doing?

01:26:00.380 What are you taking?

01:26:01.380 And so you had to be up front, you know, because, you know, the public, you know.

01:26:06.380 So once they did out all that, you know, I just followed, you know, the rules.

01:26:12.380 So I went in, got a doctor and got prescriptions for everything, you know, because like I said,

01:26:20.380 the DA was monitoring everything.

01:26:22.380 And I made sure, you know, I did my checkups and followed, you know, protocol and everything

01:26:30.380 and just did it the right way.

01:26:32.380 And, you know, and it was the best thing for me because, you know, look at how I looked

01:26:38.380 and what I went through and I'm still here and still doing fine and still doing great.

01:26:44.380 Except for the bad surgeries I went through, but everything else is all good.

01:26:48.380 And that's because I did everything the right way, you know.

01:26:51.380 Got it.

01:26:52.380 So did you.

01:26:53.380 I wasn't buying stuff off the streets.

01:26:54.380 That's the problem.

01:26:55.380 So you're saying the issue is.

01:26:56.380 Getting black market stuff.

01:26:57.380 I got it.

01:26:58.380 Not knowing what I'm getting.

01:26:59.380 Everything I was getting was from the pharmacy being prescribed by doctors, you know,

01:27:04.380 just keeping up with my progress.

01:27:06.380 And, you know, I'm going through all these blood tests and everything.

01:27:09.380 Making sure.

01:27:10.380 At that time.

01:27:11.380 Yeah.

01:27:12.380 When I was competing.

01:27:13.380 So I think if it's done that way, you know, everybody can benefit.

01:27:18.380 But, you know, the sport is not controlled in that kind of way.

01:27:24.380 So you think it needs to be.

01:27:26.380 I did it that way because, you know, I was kind of like forced to do it that way.

01:27:30.380 Once the DA got involved and came in.

01:27:33.380 What year was that?

01:27:34.380 When did the DA get involved?

01:27:35.380 I want to say like, oh man, what year did they bring us all in?

01:27:41.380 Is that the same time where Tom Platt's interviewed yourself, Baker, and all those guys?

01:27:45.380 Or is that the same era?

01:27:47.380 You know when they did that and it was a blurry.

01:27:48.380 It was right after that.

01:27:49.380 Yeah, it was right after that.

01:27:50.380 Right after that.

01:27:51.380 Like maybe a year or two after that.

01:27:52.380 So you guys were still uncomfortable to be able to talk.

01:27:54.380 Yeah.

01:27:55.380 You had to kind of make the voice and all that stuff.

01:27:56.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:57.380 Mm-hmm.

01:27:58.380 But if you were competing today, hey, here's what's going on.

01:28:02.380 These are some of the things I'm using.

01:28:03.380 Yeah.

01:28:04.380 I agree with you there because for me.

01:28:08.380 People think I was doing way more than what I was doing.

01:28:11.380 You were not.

01:28:12.380 No.

01:28:13.380 I wasn't doing what nobody else wasn't doing, you know.

01:28:17.380 Were you doing more than what your peers were doing or no?

01:28:20.380 I kind of think we were all kind of like on the same level.

01:28:25.380 Okay.

01:28:26.380 You know, there's only so much you can do, you know, to where it's going to be effective,

01:28:31.380 you know.

01:28:32.380 No matter how much of something you take, you know.

01:28:35.380 You look at these baseball players and all these guys, you know, they've taken stuff,

01:28:40.380 but they don't look like bodybuilders and stuff like that.

01:28:43.380 You know, they're just like normal people.

01:28:45.380 So it all goes back to genetics and stuff too, you know.

01:28:49.380 You got to be genetically gifted to do certain things.

01:28:52.380 You know, I couldn't play baseball and probably not football and basketball either.

01:28:57.380 But I could be a pretty good bodybuilder.

01:29:00.380 Do you think, like, your opinion, I'm just curious opinion-wise, your opinion on allowing

01:29:06.380 it to be used in MLB, NBA, NFL, you think they should just kind of stop going through

01:29:12.380 the PED side because these guys' body got to recover and this kind of helps.

01:29:15.380 Like, Lance Armstrong, you know, he got what he got and all of a sudden his entire credibility

01:29:20.380 was shut.

01:29:21.380 Do you think they just need to say, look, if you want to use it, use it?

01:29:24.380 No.

01:29:25.380 I think it should be a level playing field for everybody.

01:29:28.380 So if I can't use it, you can't use it.

01:29:30.380 Exactly.

01:29:31.380 Or if I can't use it, you can use it.

01:29:33.380 Exactly, yeah.

01:29:34.380 Are you comfortable with them making it legal for everybody to use it?

01:29:37.380 No, no.

01:29:38.380 Why not?

01:29:39.380 Why do you say no?

01:29:40.380 Because everybody is not going to do it.

01:29:42.380 Everybody is not going to do it.

01:29:44.380 Yeah.

01:29:45.380 But in bodybuilding, you have to do it if you can do it.

01:29:48.380 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:49.380 So, you see what I'm saying?

01:29:51.380 But in baseball, you don't have to if I don't want to put myself to do it?

01:29:54.380 No, no.

01:29:55.380 So, because of that, you're saying it wouldn't apply to any other sport except for bodybuilding?

01:29:58.380 Exactly.

01:29:59.380 Huh.

01:30:00.380 Okay.

01:30:01.380 So, even in boxing or UFC or any of that, you're saying no go?

01:30:03.380 No go.

01:30:04.380 Okay.

01:30:05.380 Everybody should be on the same playing field.

01:30:06.380 What was the biggest difference you felt with steroids versus GH for you?

01:30:11.380 It's pretty much the same thing.

01:30:13.380 Okay.

01:30:14.380 One doesn't really exist without the other.

01:30:19.380 Okay.

01:30:20.380 Got it.

01:30:21.380 But it wasn't like one gave more?

01:30:22.380 No, no, no, no.

01:30:23.380 Okay.

01:30:24.380 Any side effects afterwards after all these years?

01:30:26.380 No.

01:30:27.380 Like anything that you're doing blood today, you're noticing?

01:30:29.380 None whatsoever.

01:30:30.380 Your testosterone levels, everything is good.

01:30:33.380 Are you a believer of the new TRT movement with everybody?

01:30:36.380 Mm-hmm.

01:30:37.380 You're fine with the TRT, certain people?

01:30:39.380 Yeah.

01:30:40.380 Well, I believe in certain levels of tests are not going to be produced at a certain age.

01:30:46.380 Are not going to be produced at a certain age?

01:30:48.380 Yeah.

01:30:49.380 Yeah.

01:30:50.380 When you get to be like seven days, you're not going to produce the same amount of tests

01:30:55.380 you were doing at 25, 30.

01:30:57.380 So it's good to take something to keep your levels high.

01:31:00.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:01.380 What are the benefits of having a higher testosterone level from your perspective?

01:31:03.380 I've asked other people, but I'm curious to know what you'll see.

01:31:06.380 I think it just allows you to be kind of like younger.

01:31:12.380 It allows you to be kind of younger.

01:31:15.380 Yeah, because, you know, you're back to being where you were when you were a certain age.

01:31:21.380 Can I interpret that younger, meaning you can at least do some stuff you used to in the bedroom?

01:31:25.380 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:31:26.380 Okay, so that's a good interpretation.

01:31:28.380 I had to read into what younger meant.

01:31:30.380 So I know you're pretty, you know, so that's pretty interesting, you saying that.

01:31:36.380 You know, to wrap it up, just the last thing I want to ask you is I got some speed round.

01:31:41.380 I'm going to give you a name, and you tell me the first thing that comes to your mind.

01:31:44.380 Okay.

01:31:45.380 I'll give you a name or topic.

01:31:47.380 First word that comes to your mind, just say whatever's on your mind.

01:31:49.380 Okay.

01:31:50.380 Lee Haney.

01:31:51.380 Like one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.

01:31:54.380 Eddie G. Robinson.

01:31:56.380 One of the greatest coaches of all time.

01:31:59.380 Patricia.

01:32:00.380 Patricia.

01:32:01.380 Patricia High School Puppy Love.

01:32:03.380 Oh.

01:32:04.380 Yeah, one of the greatest loves of all time.

01:32:07.380 That's cool.

01:32:08.380 How about middle linebacker Alonzo Johnson?

01:32:11.380 I don't know him.

01:32:13.380 He was the second round middle linebacker that Eagles picked up that you were a middle linebacker

01:32:18.380 yourself.

01:32:19.380 Yeah.

01:32:20.380 You wrote about him in your book.

01:32:21.380 I did?

01:32:22.380 Yeah, you did.

01:32:23.380 You talk about Alonzo Johnson.

01:32:24.380 He was the guy that was drafted second round by the Eagles, and you were a middle linebacker.

01:32:29.380 You don't remember the name.

01:32:30.380 I don't remember that.

01:32:31.380 Okay.

01:32:32.380 But then it wasn't that important.

01:32:33.380 It is what it is.

01:32:34.380 How about Brian Dobson?

01:32:36.380 Oh.

01:32:37.380 Oh.

01:32:38.380 One of the greatest and one of the smartest guys I've ever met.

01:32:45.380 Wow.

01:32:46.380 Smartest guys you've ever met.

01:32:47.380 Yeah.

01:32:48.380 Why do you say smartest?

01:32:49.380 Because he recognized the talent in me that I never saw.

01:32:54.380 He was smart for doing that.

01:32:56.380 Yeah.

01:32:57.380 Joe Weaver.

01:32:58.380 Joe is like one of the greatest minds, smartest guys, and nicest guys I've ever met in my whole

01:33:07.380 life.

01:33:08.380 Kevin LeVron.

01:33:09.380 One of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.

01:33:12.380 Flex.

01:33:13.380 The greatest bodybuilder of all time.

01:33:15.380 I think so.

01:33:16.380 Chad Nichols.

01:33:17.380 Probably the best nutritionist I've ever met.

01:33:21.380 Metrex.

01:33:22.380 Metrex was okay.

01:33:24.380 Okay.

01:33:25.380 Yeah.

01:33:26.380 How about EAS?

01:33:27.380 Okay.

01:33:28.380 Okay.

01:33:29.380 Yeah.

01:33:30.380 Yates.

01:33:31.380 Yates is a great bodybuilder.

01:33:34.380 Lee Priest.

01:33:35.380 Great bodybuilder.

01:33:36.380 Gunner.

01:33:37.380 Great bodybuilder.

01:33:38.380 Tom Platz.

01:33:39.380 Great bodybuilder.

01:33:40.380 Susan Williamson.

01:33:42.380 Oh.

01:33:43.380 Greatest love of all time.

01:33:45.380 Greatest love of all time.

01:33:46.380 Best love ever.

01:33:47.380 Best love ever.

01:33:48.380 You know, I gotta tell you man, I really enjoyed sitting down with you and I feel the audience

01:33:56.380 hopefully got a different side of you they haven't seen before because I tried looking

01:34:01.380 for something where there's a long form interview with you where I can say who is Ronnie Coleman

01:34:06.380 and I want to know more.

01:34:08.380 I'm hoping they got a little bit of it here because of your opinions.

01:34:11.380 Ronnie, what are some things that if somebody, if a fan knew that they don't know about if

01:34:17.380 they knew about you, they'd say why?

01:34:18.380 That's pretty interesting.

01:34:19.380 Is there anything that we don't know about you that we would be very interested to know?

01:34:24.380 Not really.

01:34:25.380 Really?

01:34:26.380 Because I don't keep a lot of secrets.

01:34:29.380 You don't keep a lot of secrets.

01:34:30.380 Everybody know I got eight daughters.

01:34:33.380 Everybody know, you know, pretty much I graduated from Grammarly because everything, you know,

01:34:38.380 out there.

01:34:39.380 Nowadays.

01:34:40.380 Yeah.

01:34:41.380 Like are you a politics guy?

01:34:43.380 Do you have a favorite sports team?

01:34:45.380 Do you, you know, are you a finance guy?

01:34:48.380 Is there anything like that?

01:34:49.380 Like do you follow movies?

01:34:51.380 Do you, any strange interests?

01:34:53.380 I try to dabble.

01:34:54.380 No, I try to dabble in a little bit of everything.

01:34:57.380 Politics?

01:34:58.380 Yeah.

01:34:59.380 You follow politics?

01:35:00.380 Yeah.

01:35:01.380 Really?

01:35:02.380 Yeah.

01:35:03.380 What interest do you have with politics?

01:35:04.380 Just the, um, just the whole nature of the business.

01:35:09.380 More the nature of the business, not personalities.

01:35:11.380 No, no.

01:35:12.380 So you don't get tied on saying I like this guy, I don't like this guy.

01:35:14.380 You just kind of watch the games.

01:35:15.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:16.380 How it's done.

01:35:17.380 Are you a movies guy?

01:35:18.380 Yeah.

01:35:19.380 Favorite movies?

01:35:20.380 Every week.

01:35:21.380 Every week you go to movies?

01:35:22.380 Uh-huh.

01:35:23.380 See, we just learned something, bro.

01:35:24.380 I mean, that's good.

01:35:25.380 So every week you go to movies.

01:35:26.380 Uh-huh.

01:35:27.380 At the theater.

01:35:28.380 Uh-huh.

01:35:29.380 What's a good movie you've seen recently that you said I'd recommend it to other people?

01:35:30.380 Uh, Terminator.

01:35:31.380 You like Terminator?

01:35:32.380 Yeah.

01:35:33.380 I saw Terminator.

01:35:34.380 Yeah.

01:35:35.380 I thought it was good.

01:35:36.380 Yeah.

01:35:37.380 I thought it was interesting.

01:35:38.380 That's the best movie I saw.

01:35:39.380 What'd you think about that?

01:35:40.380 I thought that was one of the best movies I saw in a long time.

01:35:43.380 Harriot.

01:35:44.380 Learned a lot.

01:35:45.380 Learned a lot.

01:35:46.380 What's your favorite of all time?

01:35:47.380 Do you have some where you can watch it over and over again or you don't have some like

01:35:50.380 that?

01:35:51.380 No.

01:35:52.380 Are you a horror guy?

01:35:53.380 You're a comedy guy?

01:35:54.380 You're an action guy?

01:35:55.380 Action.

01:35:56.380 Action?

01:35:57.380 Yeah.

01:35:58.380 Like you like all the movies?

01:35:59.380 Terminator.

01:36:00.380 Arnold Stallone.

01:36:01.380 Yeah.

01:36:02.380 Are you a love story type of guy?

01:36:03.380 No, I'm not.

01:36:04.380 Like you don't watch Notebook on Rewind?

01:36:05.380 No.

01:36:06.380 I have never seen Notebook.

01:36:07.380 Never seen it. 1.00

01:36:08.380 Fuck. 1.00

01:36:09.380 Okay. 1.00

01:36:10.380 Music.

01:36:11.380 Wouldn't watch it if you paid me.

01:36:13.380 How about music?

01:36:17.380 What do you listen to?

01:36:18.380 Rap.

01:36:19.380 Rock or rap.

01:36:20.380 Do you have a favorite all time rapper?

01:36:23.380 Tupac.

01:36:24.380 Biggie. 0.65

01:36:25.380 Number one?

01:36:26.380 Yeah.

01:36:27.380 Okay.

01:36:28.380 Biggie too.

01:36:29.380 Who else?

01:36:30.380 Jay-Z.

01:36:31.380 Okay.

01:36:32.380 Ice Cube.

01:36:33.380 Ice Cube old school?

01:36:34.380 Yeah.

01:36:35.380 Snoop Dogg.

01:36:36.380 Okay.

01:36:37.380 I like all the old school guys.

01:36:38.380 I don't listen to the new stuff.

01:36:39.380 Is there a song you can put on repeat for like three hours or no?

01:36:41.380 No.

01:36:42.380 You're not that guy.

01:36:43.380 So you have a playlist.

01:36:44.380 I have a playlist.

01:36:45.380 You have a playlist.

01:36:46.380 Yeah.

01:36:47.380 If you're going really heavy, what are you listening to?

01:36:48.380 Yeah.

01:36:49.380 The guys are just named.

01:36:50.380 Those guys?

01:36:51.380 Mm-hmm.

01:36:52.380 Okay.

01:36:53.380 All right.

01:36:54.380 Favorite sports teams?

01:36:55.380 No.

01:36:56.380 No.

01:36:57.380 I got season tickets to the Mavericks.

01:36:58.380 I got season tickets to the women's WNBA.

01:37:00.380 Mm-hmm.

01:37:01.380 And that's it.

01:37:02.380 That's a good season tickets to after Mavs.

01:37:04.380 They've got a good squad.

01:37:05.380 Yeah.

01:37:06.380 Cuban and his team have put a great team together.

01:37:08.380 I've had since 2001.

01:37:10.380 So I got 18 years.

01:37:11.380 You've had season tickets for 18 years?

01:37:12.380 Yeah.

01:37:13.380 Wow.

01:37:14.380 And the girls just came out with, since they came out I've had season tickets. 0.93

01:37:20.380 Very cool.

01:37:21.380 Ronnie, what business, anything you want to tell us about your supplement company, how it's

01:37:25.380 doing?

01:37:26.380 It's doing great.

01:37:27.380 Doing real good.

01:37:28.380 Every year it gets better.

01:37:30.380 If there's a product that I, if I've never used any of your supplements and you were to

01:37:34.380 tell me, Pat, you've got to try one of the products, what would you say is the first

01:37:37.380 product I've got to test you out with?

01:37:39.380 I'm going to give you the protein.

01:37:41.380 Ain't nothing but a peanut.

01:37:42.380 Ain't nothing but a peanut.

01:37:43.380 Yeah.

01:37:44.380 Ronnie, appreciate you for coming out, man.

01:37:45.380 Oh, my pleasure.

01:37:46.380 This was a blast.

01:37:47.380 Yeah, I enjoyed it.

01:37:48.380 Had a good time.

01:37:49.380 Yeah, I had a great time.

01:37:50.380 Very cool.

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01:38:14.380 Bye-bye.

Valuetainment - January 31, 2020

Episode 422： Greatest Bodybuilder of All Time Opens Up - Ronnie Coleman

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