Valuetainment - February 12, 2020


Episode 427： 11 Ways To Get A Green Cards


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In this episode, we discuss the similarities between being an immigrant and working for a company or a country that is looking to attract talent. We also talk about the benefits that an immigrant would like to receive from a country or company.

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00:00:00.000 30 seconds.
00:00:30.000 Asylum in Germany, to living in a refugee camp, to come into U.S. with a green card,
00:00:33.560 to eventually becoming a U.S. citizen, June of 1999.
00:00:36.800 We're going to talk about that in today's podcast.
00:00:39.260 So before we get into the episode, let's first define what immigration means.
00:00:42.460 It means the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country. 0.81
00:00:47.260 I am not from U.S. I'm from Iran.
00:00:49.580 I want to come to U.S. to be an immigrant here.
00:00:52.800 That is the form of immigration because I want to live here permanently.
00:00:55.480 Now, what are the similarities between a company that attracts talent
00:01:00.660 versus a country that attracts talent?
00:01:03.620 Because immigration is a way to attract the right kind of talent that comes to your country
00:01:08.880 that can help your country get better.
00:01:10.980 You don't just want to attract anybody.
00:01:12.920 You want to attract the best kind of talent.
00:01:14.900 And at the same time, a company wants to attract the right kind of talent to grow within the company.
00:01:19.600 Right now, you're going to see what the similarities they have.
00:01:21.160 Let's take a look at this.
00:01:22.460 A company and a country.
00:01:23.800 When they attract people, they want people of good values.
00:01:26.960 Yes? Yes.
00:01:28.140 They want good talent.
00:01:29.280 Both do.
00:01:30.080 They want skill sets.
00:01:31.660 They want somebody that's willing to work hard.
00:01:33.460 If you come to my company, I want you to work hard.
00:01:35.260 If you come to my country, I want you to work hard.
00:01:37.820 You're willing to learn the culture.
00:01:39.180 And what I mean by that is if you're working for a company, find out how we got started.
00:01:42.520 What is it about?
00:01:43.180 What's our language?
00:01:44.240 What are some ways that we do business?
00:01:45.840 Or if you're living in our country, what's our culture?
00:01:47.920 What did our founding fathers do?
00:01:49.060 What was it all about?
00:01:49.880 Right?
00:01:50.380 Next is get educated.
00:01:51.560 We want educated people to come over here.
00:01:53.360 We want people that are bringing value over here.
00:01:55.520 Companies want to recruit people that are educated.
00:01:57.460 Countries want to recruit people that are educated.
00:01:59.580 And both a company and a country wants to do a background check to make sure who they're
00:02:03.020 getting is not somebody that has criminal history.
00:02:06.040 And if they do, maybe they can consider it and make an exception.
00:02:09.440 But at least we want to do some kind of a background check.
00:02:12.000 Right?
00:02:12.760 That's what happens when countries and companies want to attract talent.
00:02:16.180 Now, let's flip the table.
00:02:17.960 You are an immigrant.
00:02:19.320 I am an employee.
00:02:20.180 You and I are immigrant or employee, right?
00:02:22.100 We want to know what company to work for.
00:02:24.640 And we want to know what country to take our family to live at.
00:02:27.840 What do you and I look for?
00:02:29.200 Watch how similar this is.
00:02:30.700 Employee, individual, company, country.
00:02:33.580 Get the idea?
00:02:34.600 We want security.
00:02:35.920 You want to work for a company that you know the company is going to be around.
00:02:38.820 Right?
00:02:39.400 I don't mind working for a startup, but I kind of hope that the guy at the top has some
00:02:43.620 money saved and he's got some stuff going on that's making the right decision.
00:02:46.740 But I want some kind of a security.
00:02:48.320 And if I'm living in a country, I want some kind of a security.
00:02:50.740 I want a decent military.
00:02:52.140 I want some borders where I'm not going to worry about being attacked.
00:02:54.260 Believe me, I lived in Iran.
00:02:55.520 And every time the enemy in Iraq would attack us and they would cross the borders, we had 0.94
00:03:00.000 alarms.
00:03:00.460 We were frightened because we were about to get bombed on.
00:03:02.600 So, we want security as an immigrant who lived in another place. 1.00
00:03:06.660 The other thing an employee wants, an opportunity.
00:03:08.500 Look, I'd like to be able to move up in a company.
00:03:11.100 Right?
00:03:11.320 I'd like to be able to go do something for myself as an individual in a country.
00:03:15.100 I want to be able to have some kind of an opportunity to build my own business, maybe
00:03:18.720 make more money, opportunity to advance, opportunity to educate myself, opportunity to get bigger
00:03:23.660 and better.
00:03:24.600 I want that opportunity for the country to provide.
00:03:27.700 Next is benefits.
00:03:28.740 I want to work for a company that gives benefits.
00:03:30.560 What kind of benefits do you want?
00:03:31.360 I don't know.
00:03:32.060 401k?
00:03:32.960 Health benefits, retirement, maybe stock options.
00:03:35.900 I want some kind of benefits.
00:03:37.420 If I go live in a country, I would like some kind of benefits.
00:03:40.180 What would those benefits be?
00:03:41.520 Maybe a public education program, maybe some kind of a healthcare program, but I'm looking
00:03:46.000 for some sort of a benefit that this country offers.
00:03:49.000 Employee, you want freedom.
00:03:50.100 I want some kind of freedom.
00:03:51.240 I want to be able to have the freedom of leaving your company if I don't want to be with
00:03:54.680 you long term.
00:03:55.440 If I want to go to a different place.
00:03:57.000 If I live in a country, I want to be able to go to a different place.
00:03:59.060 If I seek freedom, I don't want to be here anymore.
00:04:01.060 This isn't a good opportunity for me.
00:04:02.320 If I want to go somewhere else, no problem, you've got the freedom.
00:04:04.760 Choice to do what I want to do in my life.
00:04:06.940 I want to be a Republican.
00:04:08.180 I want to be a Democrat.
00:04:09.200 I want to be this.
00:04:09.880 I want to be that.
00:04:10.400 No problem.
00:04:11.320 The choice.
00:04:12.000 I want to be in sales.
00:04:13.040 I want to be an employee.
00:04:14.180 I want to be an executive.
00:04:15.020 I have the choice to position myself.
00:04:17.280 And last point is a community.
00:04:18.460 When I work for a company, I want to be part of a community.
00:04:20.660 I want to make some friends.
00:04:21.900 I want to have some associates I'm working with.
00:04:23.360 Or if I'm living in a country, you know, I want to have the opportunity to be part of
00:04:26.780 a community.
00:04:27.300 Maybe people I like.
00:04:28.200 Maybe people I relate to.
00:04:29.460 Because there's some kind of a community there.
00:04:31.080 Now, having said that, this is the perspective of two different people.
00:04:36.040 Company, country, on how they want to attract the best type of people, then employee or individual
00:04:43.120 that want to go to the best company or want to go to the best country, right?
00:04:47.320 This is how they attract each other.
00:04:49.100 Now, having said this, let's continue with this metaphor to give you perspective.
00:04:53.180 Company, country.
00:04:54.680 In a company, we hire people all the time.
00:04:57.520 And we hire temps.
00:04:58.580 Now, a temp could be a consultant, a temp could be a contractor, a temp could be an hourly
00:05:03.960 person.
00:05:04.500 You're working, you know, 20 hours per week, or you're making 10 bucks an hour, or 15 bucks
00:05:09.040 an hour.
00:05:09.780 The same principle of temp in a company is a visa in a country, because visa is temporary.
00:05:16.300 So you're coming here as if it's a visitor's badge to a country, right?
00:05:19.700 Does that make sense?
00:05:20.640 It's a visitor's badge to a country.
00:05:22.220 Now, the other one under company is salary.
00:05:24.240 So you're working temporary, you're a consultant, you're a contractor.
00:05:27.600 They say, you know what, we want to keep you, and we'll give you a salary.
00:05:30.480 You become a permanent employee with them, because now you're getting a salary.
00:05:33.720 There's more benefits.
00:05:35.080 The salary comparison is to a green card within a country, because green card, now you have
00:05:40.020 a key card to the country.
00:05:42.180 Now you are a permanent employee, right?
00:05:44.800 And we'll talk about what things you can do to lose your green card, but you're now somewhat
00:05:48.380 of a permanent employee.
00:05:49.700 And last but not least in the company is maybe you move up, maybe you become a C-suite, maybe
00:05:54.100 you become on the board, you become an equity shareholder.
00:05:57.560 You own a piece of the company, right?
00:05:59.620 The same reference to a country is when you become a citizen.
00:06:03.140 You are now a citizen of that country, which means now you have the right to vote and say
00:06:09.160 certain things that you like, and I don't know about this thing with the company, I don't
00:06:13.000 know about that part, because shareholders can do that, and same thing, you can do that.
00:06:15.980 So you kind of get in the flow on how this is going.
00:06:17.860 I'm trying to give you this perspective of immigration.
00:06:19.340 Let me continue now.
00:06:20.080 Now, the difference between a green card and a U.S. citizen, because a lot of times people
00:06:23.480 are confused, Pat, what's a green card?
00:06:26.140 What's the difference between benefits of a U.S. citizen?
00:06:28.120 I don't really get it.
00:06:29.040 Let's talk about it.
00:06:29.860 Number one, a green card is exit plus re-enter without the need for a visa.
00:06:35.100 You can go and come out.
00:06:36.140 You don't need another visa every time to get it.
00:06:38.200 A citizen is eligible to have a U.S. passport, but a green card is not.
00:06:42.420 If you have a green card, you can get a U.S. passport.
00:06:44.660 Number two, green card abandoned if out of the country for more than 180 days.
00:06:49.560 If you're out of the country for 180 days, your green card's abandoned.
00:06:52.860 On the other side, you can leave U.S. for as long as you want.
00:06:54.760 It doesn't matter.
00:06:55.280 You're a U.S. citizen.
00:06:56.680 Green card, not eligible to work for federal positions.
00:06:59.460 U.S. citizen, you are.
00:07:00.520 Green card, not eligible to run for office.
00:07:02.900 U.S. citizen, you are, except to be a president.
00:07:06.100 Green card, not eligible to vote in U.S. elections.
00:07:09.440 U.S. citizen, you can.
00:07:10.960 Green card, eligible for deportation if certain crime is committed.
00:07:17.020 Very important to see that, because on U.S. citizen, you cannot be deported.
00:07:22.080 You're protected for it, right?
00:07:23.880 And last but not least on this end, you cannot petition for family members to come to the
00:07:29.720 state.
00:07:30.140 While as a U.S. citizen, you can petition for siblings, parents, and fiancé to get a visa.
00:07:35.940 So now you kind of get the idea on the difference between a green card and a U.S. citizenship,
00:07:40.700 right?
00:07:40.900 Now having said that, 11 ways to get a green card in U.S.
00:07:43.920 Here's 11 ways.
00:07:44.620 Number one is family, you're a relative of a U.S. citizen, to be able to apply.
00:07:48.040 Number two is you're a relative of a green card holder.
00:07:51.840 The green card holder is not trying to sponsor you, but you can say, I am related to this
00:07:57.340 green card holder in U.S., her name is this, his name is this.
00:08:00.800 That's the second way.
00:08:02.140 Second part is employment, and they have different ways of doing it.
00:08:04.960 The first one is called the first performance employment.
00:08:08.080 This is somebody who's got extraordinary ability.
00:08:10.660 You're in the .01 percentile.
00:08:12.360 You're a Nobel Prize winner.
00:08:13.860 We want you here because you just got some things that are very unique to the world, right?
00:08:17.960 Four is employment second preference, which is professional with advanced degree.
00:08:21.720 You got an MBA.
00:08:22.500 You got a PhD.
00:08:23.300 We want you here.
00:08:23.980 Number five is exceptional ability in science, art, and business.
00:08:27.740 That'll benefit the economy.
00:08:29.420 Number six, you have a bachelor's degree, or comparable to it in your country.
00:08:33.200 Number seven is registered nurses and physical therapists.
00:08:36.140 So, so far we've covered two of them, which is family and employment.
00:08:38.140 The next one is, you know, what many say lottery, and what this is really all about, it happens
00:08:42.160 once a year, it's in the month of October typically, and it's ran once a year to increase
00:08:46.400 diversity in non-representing nations.
00:08:48.560 So, Mexico doesn't apply, India doesn't apply, and Canada doesn't apply, because that's not 0.65
00:08:53.600 diversity.
00:08:54.160 We already have plenty from those nations.
00:08:56.120 This is to attract people from nations that we don't have. 0.77
00:08:58.020 By the way, to put it in perspective with what the data looks like, 23 million people
00:09:02.920 applied last year.
00:09:03.960 You know how many got it?
00:09:04.760 55,000 got a green card.
00:09:07.200 I mean, it's pure luck-based.
00:09:09.020 You see videos with people sitting there going in October to see the date, and it says, not
00:09:13.180 yet, decline, decline, and it's heartbreaking, and some that get its big celebration.
00:09:17.660 Next is investors.
00:09:18.860 You're an entrepreneur, foreign entrepreneur.
00:09:21.200 You have money.
00:09:22.080 You bring $500,000 to the country, and you go to a specific place that America wants you
00:09:27.080 to go to, not New York, not LA, not Miami, not Chicago.
00:09:30.060 You go to Montana, you go to Arkansas, you go to Oklahoma, certain places, and you put half
00:09:34.580 a million there, and you create five full-time jobs.
00:09:37.680 That's one of the ways to get your green card.
00:09:39.760 Or bring a million dollars to any city in America, LA, New York, doesn't matter where
00:09:43.640 you go, and you create 10 full-time jobs as an entrepreneur, you also get a green card.
00:09:48.200 And last but not least is the special immigrant, which is a religious worker, or foreign medical
00:09:52.460 graduate, or permanent resident who left US for 12 plus months, and you want to come
00:09:56.700 back.
00:09:56.920 So those are 11 different ways to get your green card in US.
00:09:59.360 Now, one of the topics you keep hearing about is asylum.
00:10:01.460 Asylum is how I left Iran and went to Germany, and Germany accepted me, because asylum, the
00:10:06.960 meaning of asylum is the protection granted by a nation to someone who left their country
00:10:11.620 as a political refugee.
00:10:13.120 I left as a political refugee.
00:10:15.040 You hear that phrase all the time.
00:10:16.440 Now, as you're applying for this country to accept you as asylum, you have to have one 1.00
00:10:21.260 of these five reasons that you're experiencing in your country.
00:10:24.900 Form of discrimination against your race, religion, nationality.
00:10:28.020 Maybe you have a membership of a particular social group, or last but not least, your
00:10:31.620 political opinion.
00:10:32.580 So if I would have stayed in Iran longer because of my spiritual beliefs, or religious beliefs,
00:10:38.920 or us being Armenian, whatever it was, that my family didn't feel safe, we left and we
00:10:43.700 came to Germany.
00:10:44.400 Does that kind of make sense?
00:10:45.220 So now, you look at all this stuff and you say, well, Pat, what is really the issue that
00:10:49.120 we're facing in America?
00:10:50.280 Well, this whole talk about amnesty is taking place.
00:10:53.280 We currently have 45 million immigrants that are living in the U.S., which, by the way,
00:10:58.980 just so you know, out of that 45 million, 10.6 million of the immigrants live in California.
00:11:04.780 You've got another 4.5 million that live in Texas and in New York.
00:11:08.240 If you add that up, that is 45% of all the immigrants in the U.S. live in three different 0.57
00:11:14.160 states.
00:11:14.640 We've got 50 states, 45% live in three different states, right?
00:11:17.880 So when you look at this and you start thinking about the whole immigration, it is not that easy
00:11:22.220 to just say, here's what we need to do, this is what we need to do, that's what we need
00:11:24.680 to do.
00:11:25.080 I always like to look at it from everybody's perspective.
00:11:27.440 Let me give it to you from the perspective of those from Mexico or El Salvador that are trying
00:11:33.660 to come to America, okay?
00:11:35.220 So imagine you're living in Mexico.
00:11:37.160 You're living in a place where there's issues.
00:11:39.040 Cartel, Mexico, the country's not doing the right thing for their people.
00:11:41.880 The cartels bought the governments.
00:11:43.200 Government people are afraid of the cartel.
00:11:44.660 The cartel have a lot of different power.
00:11:46.560 Imagine you're living in a community.
00:11:48.380 Your next door neighbor is your friend.
00:11:49.900 You guys eat together.
00:11:50.680 You guys go to dinner together.
00:11:52.220 You're married.
00:11:52.920 You got three kids, two daughters, and you got a wife, right? 0.99
00:11:55.520 The next door neighbor's daughter gets taken advantage of. 0.91
00:11:58.240 She's 16 years old.
00:11:59.540 Your daughter's also 16 years old.
00:12:01.320 They know each other.
00:12:02.020 They're friends.
00:12:03.180 He's heartbroken.
00:12:04.220 The local cartel took advantage of the daughter. 0.95
00:12:06.140 They came in. 0.60
00:12:07.180 They brought guns.
00:12:08.000 They did whatever they wanted to do with the daughter.
00:12:10.040 Father couldn't do anything about it because it would have killed him, his wife, and everybody
00:12:13.160 else.
00:12:13.640 Look how difficult that is.
00:12:14.960 He can't pick up the phone and call the cops because the cartel's already paid off the cops.
00:12:19.160 So now try going to sleep that night.
00:12:21.680 Every moment you're looking at that door.
00:12:24.220 You're looking at the door.
00:12:25.120 You're looking at the door.
00:12:25.880 Your wife is asleep.
00:12:26.700 Your kids are asleep.
00:12:27.600 You have your gun.
00:12:28.300 If somebody comes in, if you shoot them, another guy comes in.
00:12:30.760 Then they're not only going to shoot you.
00:12:31.900 They're going to shoot everybody in your family.
00:12:32.940 What are you going to do?
00:12:35.220 How long can you sleep like that?
00:12:37.880 What can you do?
00:12:38.740 You either have to join them and win them over and have them as protection, or you have
00:12:44.160 to get into politics, or you have to escape or constantly move your family.
00:12:47.640 And you don't have a lot of resources to do it.
00:12:49.100 So I don't blame a father who is sitting there thinking about these thoughts, being forced
00:12:55.540 to think about these thoughts, on what he needs to do to protect his daughters and his
00:12:58.860 wife and his kid.
00:13:00.080 So if he says, listen, we either got to go live in a completely different country, or
00:13:04.700 we got to do something.
00:13:05.780 Guess what's the best thing?
00:13:06.700 Let's just go to America.
00:13:07.780 Pack.
00:13:08.100 Let's go.
00:13:08.440 We're leaving.
00:13:09.380 And you go, and you risk everything.
00:13:11.720 You have to go into a new country with a little bit of money, any language you don't speak,
00:13:15.020 and you go there, and then you get caught.
00:13:16.300 So I don't blame the father or the parent who crossed these thoughts, goes through his
00:13:22.020 mind.
00:13:22.260 Now, at the same time, I don't blame a country like America saying, listen, we understand,
00:13:27.300 we're sorry you're going through this, but a million people seeked asylum the last six
00:13:31.200 years.
00:13:31.800 Only 12% of them actually qualified to be asylum.
00:13:34.960 Last year, we gave 26,000 of them in 2018 asylum.
00:13:37.940 It's the highest we've had in a long time, but we can't also help everybody.
00:13:42.940 And we need to put a wall between Mexico and U.S. 0.96
00:13:45.960 Why?
00:13:46.420 Because they're trying to come from South to U.S. 1.00
00:13:49.440 We don't need to put a wall on Canada.
00:13:51.140 Why?
00:13:51.780 Because Canada, as a country, is taking care of their individuals, and so these individuals
00:13:55.900 are saying, I don't need to leave the country.
00:13:57.720 I'm happy where I'm at in Canada.
00:13:59.220 Just like when you meet somebody that's worked for a company for 32 years, and they don't
00:14:02.940 leave the company.
00:14:03.660 Why?
00:14:04.100 Because that company takes care of that employee.
00:14:06.360 Why would he go anywhere else?
00:14:07.300 They're being taken care of.
00:14:08.720 But in Mexico, the country isn't taking care of the individual, and they're losing people, 0.72
00:14:13.860 and they want to go to the country U.S., which has the most immigrants, 45 million, because
00:14:17.780 U.S. offers the best benefits to the individual.
00:14:20.900 Do you see how that works out?
00:14:21.980 Very basic, right?
00:14:23.060 Now, let's go to the complete opposite side.
00:14:25.620 And you're looking at this saying, okay, Pat, but we've got 45 million people living in
00:14:28.800 America, okay?
00:14:30.040 A lot of illegals, 11 million, give or take.
00:14:32.040 I don't know the exact number, but we'd say 10 or 12 million, we've got living in the U.S.
00:14:35.240 What do we do with them?
00:14:36.520 Why can't we give amnesty to all of them?
00:14:38.380 Okay.
00:14:39.140 See, I understand that the 42-year-old person that's living here, whose parents came and
00:14:46.240 crossed the border while she was 14 years old, it's not her fault that they did this.
00:14:52.140 She's already American. 0.53
00:14:53.580 She pays.
00:14:54.320 She's in the system.
00:14:55.560 She can't go.
00:14:56.680 She doesn't know what it is to live in Mexico.
00:14:58.760 She wants to be here.
00:15:00.020 You want to send her back and deport her? 1.00
00:15:01.580 That doesn't make any sense.
00:15:02.740 Look, I totally understand the father that's trying to leave Mexico to come to U.S.
00:15:06.520 I get it.
00:15:07.320 I fully understand the pain.
00:15:08.820 But you still broke the law of trying to enter a country where the country's responsibility 1.00
00:15:14.260 is to provide security to its citizens that are already living there.
00:15:18.460 So I understand the country's frustration as well of you breaking the law.
00:15:22.380 So there's got to be a system.
00:15:24.220 And here's what I mean by system, okay?
00:15:26.020 I joined the army.
00:15:27.900 Then they sped up my process to be a U.S. citizen.
00:15:30.820 I got out of the army one month early to go swear and become a U.S. citizen.
00:15:35.560 That was my story on how I got out of the army.
00:15:37.360 In June of 99, I became a U.S. citizen.
00:15:39.100 I'll never forget that.
00:15:40.520 If the person wants amnesty, you got to earn it.
00:15:43.640 And it's got to be a system on how you earn it.
00:15:46.060 Military, education, job, credibility, consistency with the company, with the credit.
00:15:51.880 But something has to be shown for you to gain it.
00:15:54.700 And that exchange for the amnesty of you getting a green card and eventually becoming a citizen
00:16:00.360 is having to be abided by the individual who wants to live in this country because you came to this country.
00:16:06.960 That country didn't come and get you.
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