Valuetainment - Episode 456： Dexter Jackson Opens Up About His Future

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00:00:01.880 Did you ever think you would make it?

00:00:04.540 I feel I'm so close I could take sweet victory.

00:00:07.640 I know this life meant for me.

00:00:10.780 Yeah, why would you bet on Goliath when we got Bet David?

00:00:14.600 Valuetainment, giving, values contagious.

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00:00:22.460 I'm Patrick, Bet David, your host of Valuetainment.

00:00:24.180 Today I have the most winningest bodybuilder of all time,

00:00:27.020 Dexter Jackson.

00:00:27.680 He's won Mr. Olympia one time, but he's won more contest,

00:00:31.420 professional contest than any other professional bodybuilder out there.

00:00:35.040 And he's got a different kind of a story to tell

00:00:37.680 about what's been taking place with him.

00:00:39.780 And it's special because he just got back from Arnold Classic

00:00:43.180 after placing second.

00:00:44.700 So he's got a lot of juicy stories to share with the rest of us.

00:00:47.300 The one and only Dexter Jackson.

00:00:49.100 Dexter, thanks for coming out.

00:00:50.440 Thank you, thank you.

00:00:51.020 Good to be here.

00:00:51.620 And it's good right now looking at you.

00:00:53.520 What's special about looking at you is you look competition mode

00:00:57.020 because you just came from Arnold Classic.

00:00:58.660 I just competed this past weekend.

00:01:00.180 So it's the first time we've had a guest that is three days fresh off

00:01:04.660 of a competition, off of a contest.

00:01:06.240 How are you feeling?

00:01:06.920 I feel good, man.

00:01:09.600 I've been drinking my water, make sure I stay hydrated.

00:01:12.400 And I've been eating a little junk food here and there.

00:01:15.760 But I can't go too crazy because I've got to get right back on the diet

00:01:18.180 tomorrow to get ready for the Arnold Classic Australia in two weeks.

00:01:22.580 In two weeks?

00:01:23.320 Yes.

00:01:23.760 So when you're typically preparing for a competition like that,

00:01:26.700 that's a long ways.

00:01:28.120 You're going to be flying.

00:01:28.940 Right, that's a long ways.

00:01:30.120 Do you typically go a week before and train there,

00:01:32.780 or do you train and then you go there?

00:01:34.840 Yes, I usually go.

00:01:35.820 I'm actually leaving Sunday, get there Tuesday because you lose a day.

00:01:39.700 So the show is following Saturday, of course.

00:01:43.380 So I get there about, you know, what, four or five days before.

00:01:48.460 Four or five days before.

00:01:49.820 The competition.

00:01:50.620 And during those four or five days, are you trying to readjust sleep?

00:01:55.280 Because this is not like you're going from L.A. to Ohio or, you know,

00:01:58.820 you're going to Vegas.

00:01:59.860 There's a big difference.

00:02:00.980 How are you adjusting your sleep, your training, your diet?

00:02:03.780 Same thing.

00:02:04.520 Like you said, I'm trying to adjust with my sleep.

00:02:06.460 My diet is going to be cool because I have a meal prep company there

00:02:11.820 that will prepare my meals for me.

00:02:14.180 And then I'll be training there as well.

00:02:16.920 You know, probably I get there Tuesday.

00:02:18.760 I'll train Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

00:02:21.100 And probably take Friday off and be ready to rumble on Saturday.

00:02:25.060 How are you feeling that's going to go for you?

00:02:27.080 I'm winning, man.

00:02:28.220 Every show I do, my mindset is to win.

00:02:32.360 I'm not going there to compete and play games.

00:02:34.480 I'm trying to win everything I do.

00:02:37.020 What haven't you won?

00:02:37.940 Like, what haven't you ever won?

00:02:39.940 I haven't won Brazil.

00:02:43.700 I've actually won Arnold, Australia.

00:02:46.920 I've won it already.

00:02:49.260 Brazil is the only one that I haven't won.

00:02:51.700 I think I've won everything else.

00:02:53.900 Everything except Brazil.

00:02:55.100 Well, not under the small shows.

00:02:56.920 No, no, we're talking about the major shows.

00:02:58.320 I've won all the major shows.

00:03:00.160 Brazil is the only one that I haven't won.

00:03:01.300 Brazil is the only one. 0.94

00:03:01.860 Did you ever compete in Night of Champions or no?

00:03:04.360 I did.

00:03:05.420 What year was that?

00:03:06.400 Because that's when Wayne was still putting them together, right?

00:03:08.600 Yeah, Wayne was the president then.

00:03:14.580 I think the last time I competed in that show was 2003, maybe?

00:03:20.900 2003, 2002, or something like that.

00:03:23.280 So how was Arnold Classic?

00:03:24.460 I know obviously you're going in.

00:03:26.240 There's a lot of different names.

00:03:27.340 And, you know, Bonek wins. 0.65

00:03:29.680 But how are you feeling you did yourself with the results?

00:03:33.300 Not to take nothing away from Wayne.

00:03:35.520 Wayne's a great competitor.

00:03:36.820 But I was on my game this week, man.

00:03:41.340 After the Olympia, I was with this amazing gut specialist.

00:03:46.020 And we've been working on this for months.

00:03:49.120 And it finally got my gut down.

00:03:51.480 I have no more gut.

00:03:52.280 But, you know, so that was one of the main things that was hindering me from winning or placing even higher than I have been.

00:03:59.020 So now that that's gone, I felt that coming into this Arnold that that was going to be a guaranteed win for me.

00:04:06.300 Because that's that's the only thing anybody can say anything about my physique.

00:04:10.080 You know, I brought my legs back up.

00:04:11.400 My legs was big and everything.

00:04:12.860 So conditioning was crazy because this this for this competition, I actually dieted 100 percent.

00:04:20.360 I didn't do all the stuff that, you know, you always have.

00:04:23.800 I've always had where I said to myself, if if it's not broke, why try to fix it?

00:04:31.920 You know, so there was things that I was doing, like peanut butter every night.

00:04:36.520 I did that my whole career.

00:04:38.080 And I said, you know what?

00:04:40.680 I'm going to actually follow the diet this time because there's some reason I'm not getting back into the conditioning that I used to get into.

00:04:48.080 You know, with my abs deep and my lower abs good and all that stuff, I wasn't seeing that.

00:04:53.260 So I said, you know what?

00:04:55.740 Let me try something different this time.

00:04:57.480 I'm going to cut all of that crap out.

00:04:59.240 I cut everything that I used to do that I always believed in keeping in my diet, you know, because I'm the blade and I can get away with it.

00:05:07.860 I cut it all out and I actually followed the diet.

00:05:10.880 And, man, I was so peeled and shredded.

00:05:13.020 I mean, this was days, you know, weeks out, and we had to actually slow it down a lot.

00:05:19.780 And but as you saw, at 50 years old, I was I was right on point.

00:05:27.240 Looked like I was 10 years ago.

00:05:28.700 My body, man, my waist is tight.

00:05:30.860 Everything was so good.

00:05:32.200 And I thought I thought I pulled that win out this past weekend.

00:05:35.880 You thought you won?

00:05:36.820 Oh, yeah.

00:05:37.200 Of course I thought I won.

00:05:38.600 And this is not just the confidence talking.

00:05:40.500 You're talking technically.

00:05:41.360 No, technically.

00:05:41.920 You're thinking you won.

00:05:42.440 Yeah, heck yeah.

00:05:43.640 I mean, you can look at the pictures.

00:05:45.100 Look at the videos.

00:05:45.580 Yeah, I mean, listen, it's unbelievable when you look at the pictures.

00:05:47.640 It makes no sense.

00:05:48.340 First of all, it doesn't make sense, period.

00:05:49.680 Let alone you're 50 years old.

00:05:51.160 Right.

00:05:53.020 That's what doesn't make any sense.

00:05:54.460 I respect what the judge's opinion.

00:05:56.260 I have no, you know, there's no bitching and griping coming off of me. 1.00

00:05:59.640 And, you know, their decision is their decision, and I'm cool with that.

00:06:02.160 But me, on how I feel, I feel that a bodybuilder has to make adjustments and try and be better than he was the previous outing, which is what I did.

00:06:15.300 And once you do that, you know, I felt that I was, I was, I should have been, I should have won the competition.

00:06:22.800 In what area?

00:06:23.900 Do you go one by one by one?

00:06:25.440 Like, are you saying legs, boom, I got here, I got him.

00:06:29.040 Here he got me.

00:06:29.900 Here he got me.

00:06:30.700 Are you?

00:06:30.820 No, you don't, you don't compare body part for body part.

00:06:33.420 You just compare overall, overall package, overall package, overall symmetry is better than he is.

00:06:38.180 My conditioning was better than he is.

00:06:41.860 I just, you know, like I said, I just felt I should have won.

00:06:45.980 Got it.

00:06:47.240 As far as right now being 50 competing versus 40 competing, 30 competing, 25 competing, what's the biggest difference you're feeling with your body?

00:06:57.500 I really don't feel anything with my body, to be honest with you.

00:07:00.820 I don't have any aches or pains anywhere.

00:07:03.800 That newbie machine I use for my legs has taken so much pressure off my knees that I don't feel anything in my knees.

00:07:10.920 So I'm able to go heavier than I've normally, you know, than I've normally been going.

00:07:16.540 And, and it still keeps the pressure off my knees.

00:07:19.960 So that's why I've been able to bring my legs back.

00:07:22.240 You know what I'm saying?

00:07:23.120 So that was the main thing.

00:07:24.160 And everything else, my joints feel good.

00:07:28.220 Overall, I feel amazing.

00:07:29.460 I can do this another 10, 15 years if I want to.

00:07:31.420 You feel like you can go another 10 years.

00:07:33.020 Yeah, of course I can.

00:07:34.420 So if you can go another 10 years, then why are you talking about retirement?

00:07:36.960 Because you know in your heart when it's time to let it go.

00:07:39.200 It's time.

00:07:39.980 It's 22 years.

00:07:41.200 It's just, it's time to let it go.

00:07:43.280 I want to go out on top.

00:07:44.860 But you specifically said, I will retire when I stop competing in the top six.

00:07:48.980 I did say that.

00:07:50.400 And I have been saying that.

00:07:51.500 But, but you want to listen to your mind and your heart too.

00:07:55.220 And my heart says it's time to let it go.

00:07:57.340 It's time to go and go on through big and better things.

00:08:00.180 And that's what it's time to do.

00:08:01.720 Interesting.

00:08:02.440 You know, a lot of people don't believe you're going to be done.

00:08:04.040 A lot of people think because, and the reason for it is not, you know how some people you

00:08:08.380 watch a player and you say, you know, I think he should have retired two years before.

00:08:12.100 Well, you know what, after what I presented this past weekend, a lot of people are saying

00:08:18.120 that.

00:08:18.640 I even thought of myself for a second.

00:08:20.540 I was like, no, no, no.

00:08:22.600 Yo ass is retired.

00:08:25.040 So I am really done.

00:08:29.080 You guys are going to be surprised.

00:08:30.800 Now don't start crying when your boy gone.

00:08:33.100 But I'm definitely going to retire.

00:08:34.820 This is my final year.

00:08:36.620 And I've always said, I'm going to give myself, you know, like you just said, I've always

00:08:41.380 said, as long as I'm in the top five, that's just me talking.

00:08:44.580 As long as I'm in the top five, I'm going to continue competing.

00:08:48.860 Or as long as the body holds up or whatever it may be.

00:08:53.060 I've always said that, but I've never, and I've always said I've given myself a year or

00:08:57.140 two.

00:08:59.240 But I've never said, I'm retiring.

00:09:01.900 This is it this year.

00:09:02.800 I've never said that.

00:09:04.560 This is the first time I've said it.

00:09:06.020 I want to record saying it.

00:09:07.960 And it's going to happen.

00:09:09.960 How did that decision come about?

00:09:11.380 How'd you make the decision too?

00:09:12.840 Me and my fiancee, we sit down and my family talk about it.

00:09:19.120 And we just feel it's the right time.

00:09:22.800 Any specific reason for it?

00:09:24.620 Or it's just, was it something where it's kind of like-

00:09:27.160 I got so many other business opportunities that I have to pursue.

00:09:30.260 Right.

00:09:30.880 And I can't do it while I'm still competing.

00:09:33.940 It's just too much going on.

00:09:35.620 You know, I'm away from my family.

00:09:36.600 A lot of people don't know that I'm away from my family probably eight months out of the

00:09:40.660 year.

00:09:41.080 I go to L.A. and stay to L.A. just to train.

00:09:44.460 You know, I train with Charles Glass out there.

00:09:45.940 I've had an apartment out there for 10 years now.

00:09:49.780 So it's rough on the family too.

00:09:51.780 You know, if it weren't for FaceTime, we'd probably be done.

00:09:54.200 FaceTime saves lives, saves relationships.

00:09:57.400 So definitely FaceTime is what helped me and her be able to communicate.

00:10:02.340 And we both got to understand them because she was the main one to say, well, look, Dex,

00:10:06.440 you need to go out there.

00:10:07.540 You know, because at first when I started going out there, I started training with Charles

00:10:10.200 Glass.

00:10:10.860 Okay.

00:10:11.720 And I would go out there for two weeks, lug all my stuff back to Florida, stay there

00:10:16.840 for another two weeks.

00:10:17.700 Then go back out to L.A., train with Charles for two weeks and spending all this money

00:10:22.060 on, you know, vehicles to rent and hotels.

00:10:28.860 And she said, you know what?

00:10:30.660 You need to just find a place out there.

00:10:33.200 Just stay out there and train.

00:10:35.480 Keep all your stuff out there that when you got to worry about lugging it back, you know,

00:10:39.160 you have everything out there that you need.

00:10:41.220 And then when the show's over, just come on back home and have your family time.

00:10:45.780 And I could come out there and chill out there, you know, sometimes a few times during the

00:10:50.620 year, which is what we do.

00:10:52.060 And so we got a very good understanding.

00:10:54.260 And it's amazing to have a woman behind you, 100% like that, that's going to support you.

00:11:01.280 So, guys, if you out there, man, and you got a good woman like that, you need to hold 1.00

00:11:04.560 on to that woman because she is definitely the backbone of, you know, what I got going 0.99

00:11:11.280 on in my relationship and all that stuff, man.

00:11:12.940 She's amazing.

00:11:13.600 And, you know, so a lot of people don't know that's the reason, you know, you know, me

00:11:21.060 going out there stand eight months out of the year, that can be tough on any family, brother.

00:11:26.860 And, but like I said, now it's time after sitting down and having the discussion, you

00:11:35.040 know, I got so many business opportunities that I have to attend to now while I'm hot.

00:11:42.060 You know, I don't want to start losing it to fools that, you know, I ain't got no business

00:11:46.680 to lose it to.

00:11:47.720 You know what I'm saying?

00:11:48.460 And then my name goes down the drain and people, well, I'm not going to say go down

00:11:51.440 the drain, but, but while I'm hot, I need to take those, you know, take that and use

00:11:57.680 that, you know, and get ready for after bodybuilding. 0.99

00:12:02.440 Yeah.

00:12:02.760 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:03.320 But the part I would say to you is, are there guys that you're seeing coming up that you

00:12:08.040 think it's going to be tougher for you to place in the top five over the next 24 months?

00:12:11.360 Because sometimes, you know, one of the biggest criticism right now, Mr. Olympia or bodybuilding

00:12:16.220 would be, you know, there's not really, I mean, you got, listen, you got Olivia, I'm not

00:12:21.000 taking anything away from Moore and some of these guys are coming up, but it's not like

00:12:24.660 the NBA where Giannis is right behind and, you know, John Moore and then you got Luke

00:12:28.840 and all these guys coming up who, you know, if you compete the next two years, you don't

00:12:33.260 think you would do top five?

00:12:34.600 No, yeah, yeah.

00:12:35.160 Of course I will.

00:12:38.080 I've always said, like say, for instance, when Phil was coming up, when I was beating Phil,

00:12:42.600 I said, you know what?

00:12:44.880 I ain't worried about Phil, but when he comes into his own, ain't nobody going to beat him.

00:12:52.340 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:52.880 But it's about muscle maturity.

00:12:57.380 You know, these guys are young.

00:12:59.380 They're going to have a great future, but right now they can't beat me.

00:13:03.520 The next two, you know, one to two years, I still can hold him off just like I did with

00:13:08.200 Phil, but once Phil beat me, then it was a wrap.

00:13:10.760 Now, what a lot of people don't understand, all the people that have come and gone, and

00:13:15.540 let me explain this, what I mean by that, is when I come into bodybuilding, you had guys

00:13:21.040 like, I mean, all the 90s guys, right?

00:13:24.200 So I come in, all these guys just beat me.

00:13:27.920 And then I start beating those guys, you know, Flex and, you know, Chris and all the other

00:13:33.020 guys, I start beating everybody, okay?

00:13:35.100 Once I start beating you, you're not coming back and beating me.

00:13:37.800 You're not coming back and beating me.

00:13:40.980 You're not coming back and beating me again.

00:13:42.620 But the new guys could be, like a Phil.

00:13:44.420 Okay, right, right.

00:13:45.660 So now, once I start beating you, I'm going up.

00:13:51.580 You're going to start going down.

00:13:52.800 Yeah.

00:13:53.240 Right?

00:13:53.440 So I've always said, I can outlast you and come back and start beating you again once

00:14:02.640 you start beating me, and which is what I've done.

00:14:05.600 So a lot of guys that are coming to the game, Victor and so many other guys that have come

00:14:11.080 along and branching, Wolf, all these guys that come along and start beating me, I start

00:14:17.120 by beating them again.

00:14:18.040 So I ain't worried about them no more.

00:14:19.260 You know what I'm saying?

00:14:21.440 So I can do the same thing.

00:14:24.180 I can compete another five, six years if I want to and start beating the Brandon Currys

00:14:29.320 and start beating all these guys if I wanted to.

00:14:32.420 You see what I'm saying?

00:14:34.140 You think you could?

00:14:35.180 Oh, yeah.

00:14:35.720 Of course I could because I feel that I can still keep the same body for another five,

00:14:41.020 six years.

00:14:41.500 It's not about being how big you are and none of that stuff, as you know, when it comes

00:14:49.980 to the sport of bodybuilding.

00:14:51.420 It's about the overall package.

00:14:52.800 I'm not a big dude, you know, but I'm very, very hard to beat when I'm at my best.

00:14:59.400 Right.

00:15:00.000 So when I'm at my best, I can stand up against anybody.

00:15:02.780 I can go toe-to-toe with anybody except Ronnie and probably Dorian or somebody.

00:15:08.400 You know, Dorian was an incredible bodybuilder.

00:15:10.520 But, you know, me at my best, I can stand toe-to-toe with anybody.

00:15:14.800 You feel that?

00:15:15.780 Oh, yeah, I feel it.

00:15:17.120 Anybody.

00:15:17.400 I've won 29 shows.

00:15:18.480 I've beaten everybody.

00:15:20.000 You feel you can stand against anybody at your best?

00:15:23.000 Yes.

00:15:25.840 I mean, go to 2000.

00:15:27.140 If you go back to 2007, 8, 9, 6, 7, 8, 9, I'd stay with anybody in those years.

00:15:36.260 I mean, because you figure, I'm 5'6 1⁄2 and I weighed 230, 235.

00:15:43.880 You know, you got Sean as 5'6, he weighed 200.

00:15:48.400 There's a huge difference.

00:15:49.700 You put a side to side.

00:15:50.700 And my conditioning, see, that's the thing.

00:15:53.520 I'm from toe-to-toe, head-to-toe complete, you know, shredded from head-to-toe.

00:16:00.040 Back then, you had guys that were in shape, beautiful shapes and all that stuff, but from

00:16:05.640 head-to-toe, they didn't have.

00:16:07.100 Some of them had loose hamstrings and loose glutes and what have you. 1.00

00:16:12.320 You got, I was well-rounded.

00:16:14.320 That's why I want so many shows.

00:16:15.820 That's what a lot of people don't understand.

00:16:17.380 But that's not that big.

00:16:18.380 It ain't about always being big.

00:16:20.700 Yeah, I remember I read an article about you in 99 or maybe 2000 and your physique, you

00:16:26.960 know, your physique was I was in the military or somewhere and you said, I don't do abs,

00:16:31.060 I don't do cardio.

00:16:32.180 This is pure genetics.

00:16:33.420 Yeah.

00:16:34.140 That's absolutely right.

00:16:35.040 Yeah.

00:16:35.280 I don't do cardio.

00:16:36.520 I don't do abs.

00:16:37.180 This is purely genetics.

00:16:38.460 How much of your advantage is just purely your genetics?

00:16:41.800 Because to last as long as you have.

00:16:43.520 I mean, would you say some of it is genetics and some of it is maturity?

00:16:49.200 Most of it is genetics.

00:16:50.340 Most of it is genetics.

00:16:52.940 Because being able, like I said, coming up through the years, see, this is another reason

00:16:57.280 why I've lasted so much longer than everybody has ever.

00:17:00.500 Because the first 10 years, I didn't have to do none of that stuff you're saying.

00:17:03.440 I can get away with cheating every day and still come in the show shredded.

00:17:07.520 No cardio.

00:17:08.440 These guys are doing two, three hours of cardio a day.

00:17:11.540 That's a lot of wear and tear and no joints and bones, brother.

00:17:14.400 I didn't have to do none of that stuff.

00:17:16.200 So that saves me right there.

00:17:18.140 That's 10 years off that these guys are doing.

00:17:23.200 Now, I'm doing some cardio and I'm doing abs now because I have to.

00:17:29.960 You've got to know how to make the proper adjustments.

00:17:32.200 Why 28 minutes, by the way?

00:17:33.440 I heard you say multiple times you do 28 minutes of cardio.

00:17:36.120 25.

00:17:36.880 Why 25?

00:17:38.060 20 to 25.

00:17:39.160 Oh, so it's not a specific mathematical formula that you...

00:17:43.120 Okay, it's just 20 to 25 minutes.

00:17:44.560 That's all it is.

00:17:45.340 Okay.

00:17:46.080 And you said the trainer that you hired to work with your gut, with your abs,

00:17:51.000 what did you do differently that you'd never...

00:17:53.140 I mean, you're 50 years...

00:17:53.920 You've been in this world for a while.

00:17:55.420 What are some unique things you were doing you'd never done before?

00:17:57.780 Well, I can't...

00:17:58.540 I don't want to get into all of that right now when it comes to that,

00:18:01.200 but because I don't want all the young dudes or these older dudes beat me right now

00:18:05.340 if I tell them what to do.

00:18:05.960 Give us one.

00:18:07.220 Don't give us all of it.

00:18:08.560 Give us one hint.

00:18:10.380 Give us one.

00:18:11.560 Well, put it this way.

00:18:12.440 It's some super-duper probiotics and digestive enzymes.

00:18:18.540 That's medical grade.

00:18:20.460 You can't...

00:18:21.560 I mean, there's stuff...

00:18:22.480 Anything that you have on the shelves...

00:18:24.340 Supplements.

00:18:24.840 You're talking about more nutritionals than the method of training.

00:18:28.420 No, not the method.

00:18:29.600 To get my gut down, that's all nutrition.

00:18:32.160 That's all...

00:18:32.600 I got it.

00:18:32.900 So, a lot of people...

00:18:33.780 I'm going to tell you this.

00:18:34.720 A lot of people think...

00:18:36.720 A lot of people think just because you're eating healthy that you've got a good gut.

00:18:42.960 So, they get away from, what, the sugar?

00:18:45.560 And guess what they do?

00:18:46.260 They go to the sweet and lows, and they go to everything that's got sucralose and all

00:18:50.480 that stuff in it.

00:18:51.400 That's the worst thing you can do.

00:18:52.580 That's the absolute worst thing you can do, especially over the years of us bodybuilding.

00:18:57.680 So, when you have a lot of guys that's got a big gut, nine times out of ten, it's because

00:19:04.280 of that.

00:19:05.680 And a lot of people don't realize that.

00:19:07.080 I had hiccups for days and days and weeks and weeks, and I had to take medicines to

00:19:13.400 stop the hiccups.

00:19:14.560 We couldn't understand.

00:19:15.580 I went to the Mayo Clinic.

00:19:18.120 The Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida, there's three of those clinics or hospitals

00:19:21.840 around the world.

00:19:23.060 I'm around the United States, and they are the number one hospitals in the United States.

00:19:27.200 So, they did extensive testing on me and those, you know, in the hospital.

00:19:34.040 So, I'm up to, I'm saying probably two weeks of extensive testing with my blood work and

00:19:37.620 all that stuff, sticking shit down my throat, trying to figure out what's going on with 0.92

00:19:40.760 my gut.

00:19:41.860 Well, come to find out, I had a gut bacteria.

00:19:44.400 So, we had to get rid of the gut bacteria.

00:19:46.340 That was one of the reasons why it was puffing down to the bottom.

00:19:49.260 We couldn't figure that out.

00:19:50.040 Now, I got with this other lady after that, this gut specialist, and the first thing she 0.96

00:20:00.360 told me to do, stop all of that stuff that you're doing with the sucralose, all that sweet

00:20:04.480 and low, and all that diet stuff.

00:20:06.480 Knock it off.

00:20:07.700 From now on, just take, I'm not going to tell you, I can't tell you what she told me.

00:20:14.780 You're retiring, though, man.

00:20:16.880 I mean, I'm going to let everybody know all of this when I'm retiring.

00:20:22.560 But you can't tell me my stomach went flat as hell versus what it was.

00:20:27.580 Was it instant or was it like a couple of weeks?

00:20:30.360 No, it's not instant at all because we started at six weeks out from Olympia.

00:20:34.240 Got it.

00:20:34.820 Okay.

00:20:35.520 And after Olympia, I was like, and it came down a little bit.

00:20:39.960 I was like, in for Tampa, came down a little bit, a lot better than it was the year before.

00:20:43.840 So I was like, you know what?

00:20:46.220 I'm done with this.

00:20:46.960 Z-pills ain't doing shit for me.

00:20:49.320 So my girl was like, you need to stay on it.

00:20:51.240 And the gut specialist was like, you need to do this and keep staying on it.

00:20:53.860 So I stayed on it the whole time from Olympia to the Arnold.

00:20:56.880 So that's months, three, four months.

00:20:58.880 I stayed on it.

00:21:00.040 And there's a result.

00:21:01.360 You see what happened.

00:21:02.120 My stomach was finally flat again.

00:21:03.820 And the number one thing is a lot of people, I mean, all those sweet and lows and all that

00:21:11.640 stuff that you eat with sucralose, guess what happened when I started, when I cut that shit

00:21:16.580 out?

00:21:17.120 No more hiccups.

00:21:18.340 Gone.

00:21:19.760 After you cut that.

00:21:20.480 All that medicine I was taking to stop the hiccups.

00:21:22.800 Yeah.

00:21:23.160 When I cut that simple little stuff out, it was gone.

00:21:26.080 Interesting.

00:21:27.000 Now, let me ask you, Dex, you've been around the game for a while.

00:21:30.000 Okay.

00:21:30.740 You're 50.

00:21:31.520 You're not 40.

00:21:32.040 There's a big difference between 50, 40, 30, right?

00:21:34.720 Right.

00:21:35.160 And in the political world, there's some games you play and, you know, some things you say,

00:21:39.680 something you don't.

00:21:40.920 How much of the bodybuilding world is there of giving bad advice to competitors to have

00:21:45.880 an edge?

00:21:46.320 Because everything's about an edge in your world, right?

00:21:49.120 Some of it is giving bad advice.

00:21:50.920 Some of it is giving good advice.

00:21:52.240 Some of it is confusing.

00:21:53.140 I mean, obviously, if you've seen Pump and Iron, you know Arnold would try to confuse,

00:21:56.860 you know, Lou or Frank, whoever it was.

00:21:59.980 Right.

00:22:00.540 How much of that happens till today?

00:22:04.740 I really don't know because, you know what, when I start working with someone, I stick

00:22:09.780 with that one person.

00:22:10.700 I don't listen to what goes on or what other people are saying, you should do this, you

00:22:14.160 should do that.

00:22:14.720 That's one thing that a lot of these competitors do.

00:22:17.320 They listen to too many people at one time.

00:22:19.040 You know, so that's why I've always been able to stick with one trainer, sticking with

00:22:23.780 nutritionists pretty much my whole career.

00:22:26.360 Well, Joe McNeil was my first.

00:22:29.160 George Farrell was my second.

00:22:30.520 And then nutritionists.

00:22:31.800 So I've only had two nutritionists in 22 years.

00:22:35.500 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:36.420 And with Charles, you know, he's been my only trainer in the gym that I work with.

00:22:41.040 Well, I went to Cycle Fitness, you know, for a year and a half or something like that.

00:22:44.540 But I went back to Charles, been with him now for the last year and a half.

00:22:50.700 But that's the thing.

00:22:52.420 You know, I've always had people in my camp that I trusted 100 percent and I didn't listen

00:23:00.680 to none of the other stuff for.

00:23:02.020 So I really don't know how much everybody else is influenced by anything.

00:23:06.660 Got it.

00:23:08.260 Charles, you said you've only been training with them for a year and a half?

00:23:10.920 No, no.

00:23:11.480 I started training with Charles since 2010.

00:23:15.080 Okay.

00:23:16.000 I trained with him for like seven years.

00:23:17.900 Then I went to Cycle for a year.

00:23:19.420 That's the year and a half you were gone and you were back with Charles.

00:23:21.640 What is the big, I mean, Charles is obviously a godfather.

00:23:24.100 People talk about, he's been written about everywhere.

00:23:26.880 What makes Charles so special training with him?

00:23:30.640 It's the different angles that he uses.

00:23:33.700 And granted, a lot of people are like, why do you need a trainer?

00:23:37.420 You know, well, why Michael Jordan got a, you know, a shooting coach?

00:23:40.060 Mm-hmm.

00:23:41.400 He's the greatest basketball player.

00:23:42.700 He's still got a shooting coach.

00:23:44.420 Well, same thing with him.

00:23:45.600 You know, same thing.

00:23:46.360 You know, there's little things that, and little twists and stuff that he does when it comes

00:23:51.720 to you working out and hitting different angles that a lot of people don't know how to do.

00:23:57.900 He does.

00:23:58.700 And not only does he have that to motivate me, but the main thing is he's Charles Glass.

00:24:05.920 When I walk in that gym, I don't want to let this man down.

00:24:09.960 That motivates me in itself.

00:24:11.540 I'm going to give it all I got when I train with him.

00:24:13.420 Because of who he is.

00:24:14.360 Because of who he is.

00:24:15.940 Is his style challenging you, pushing you, or no?

00:24:18.300 It's just more direction.

00:24:19.480 No, I can do it all myself.

00:24:20.700 I know how to do all the exercises now, but like I said, he's just being with Charles

00:24:24.840 and in that gym, you know, that goes gym is just something about that damn gym.

00:24:31.160 It's the most famous gym in the world and some of the best equipment out there in the

00:24:35.780 world.

00:24:36.140 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:36.840 So, and the atmosphere is just everything.

00:24:40.380 You know, you can't go into a gym that's the atmosphere where there's nobody training,

00:24:43.680 nobody want to do nothing.

00:24:44.620 You're going to be in the same mood.

00:24:46.240 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:46.860 So, if you go to a gym where everybody's training and busting their ass, that's what

00:24:50.660 you're going to want to do.

00:24:51.980 What's the biggest thing?

00:24:52.940 I remember Doreen Yates said, one time he went to, you know, Gold's Gym and the front

00:24:58.760 desk clerk didn't recognize him.

00:25:00.180 Yeah.

00:25:00.600 And says, hey, you know, I'm here.

00:25:01.640 I'd like to train.

00:25:02.280 So, well, you have to pay 25 bucks or whatever the number.

00:25:04.100 He says, I'm Mr. Olympian.

00:25:06.060 He says, I don't know who you are.

00:25:07.520 He says, look at that.

00:25:07.980 That's me right there, right?

00:25:08.940 And she lets him in.

00:25:09.980 Yeah.

00:25:10.260 So, what's the biggest changes you noticed with your life and the way you were treated

00:25:17.600 the moment you became Mr. Olympian?

00:25:20.140 What are the perks, the additional perks?

00:25:22.680 The additional perks?

00:25:23.900 The additional perks are...

00:25:26.260 Well, you're in a good relationship right now.

00:25:28.180 So, you know, obviously there's different perks if you're single.

00:25:31.380 But what are some of the crazy perks you get when you're Mr. Olympian?

00:25:34.680 Well, I mean, I get a lot of free stuff.

00:25:39.320 I get a lot of people wanting me to promote stuff for them and earn money off of it.

00:25:45.200 My Instagram is through the roof when it comes to my engagement.

00:25:48.360 So, I get a lot of money from my Instagram.

00:25:51.380 So, those are some of the perks.

00:25:53.840 What else?

00:25:54.560 When I used to be just a bodybuilder, or if I just say, well, say if I'm on a, you know,

00:26:06.480 I'm somewhere in public and someone asks me, well, what do you do?

00:26:09.500 You play football?

00:26:10.360 You know, I get asked that every day.

00:26:11.980 You're a football player?

00:26:13.560 And I say, no.

00:26:14.320 When I want to talk to the people, I just say, oh, I'm a bodybuilder.

00:26:16.700 And they're like, oh, hell, okay.

00:26:18.480 But when I say I'm Mr. Olympian, oh, wow, really?

00:26:21.540 See, that changes everything.

00:26:24.780 Just that name alone.

00:26:27.420 Even people who don't follow the sport.

00:26:28.740 Even people who don't follow the sport, they know that name, Mr. Olympia.

00:26:34.900 Now, you know how in football, you wear a ring and you got all these other things.

00:26:38.840 Mr. Olympia doesn't have anything like that for you to put on.

00:26:40.940 No, we don't have anything to put on.

00:26:42.140 We got that sand down when you walk in the house, sitting right on that mantle.

00:26:45.020 Yeah.

00:26:45.860 Yeah.

00:26:46.500 They got to give something that you can wear when you go places.

00:26:50.440 You know, a ring, because, you know, even in poker, they do the bracelets.

00:26:55.040 You know, when you win a World Series poker, you win a bracelet.

00:26:57.940 But it would be nice for you to carry your ring with you.

00:27:01.560 What is this on Mr. Olympia, right?

00:27:03.080 Maybe if Mr. Olympia.

00:27:04.240 Dan, if you're watching this, that's another idea for you to consider having rings.

00:27:08.720 I mean, the United Champions or the New York Pro.

00:27:12.800 So, if the New York Pro gives out a ring, so, you know, with diamonds, it's like $10,000.

00:27:19.360 You know, so, yeah, Dan, you know, that is something to think about.

00:27:23.300 I would definitely consider that because it's more of a conversation starter when somebody sees it.

00:27:27.760 Right.

00:27:28.200 What is that ring for?

00:27:29.000 It's for this.

00:27:29.300 So, what happens with the Mr. Olympia brand when you compete and you win one?

00:27:35.440 Is it the moment you win one, you can compete in any other Mr. Olympia ever, right?

00:27:41.420 If you ever want, you can compete.

00:27:42.560 For the rest of your life, yeah.

00:27:43.340 What other benefits is there when you become a Mr. Olympia winner?

00:27:46.760 Any other perks?

00:27:49.460 Free Coke, zero for the rest of your life.

00:27:51.300 Is there like, you know, free Avion water?

00:27:53.700 Like I said, if the person that's in the 50s knows who you are, you're probably going to get it for free or you'll get a good deal.

00:28:01.420 So, those are the biggest perks.

00:28:02.840 Those are the biggest perks.

00:28:03.540 Let's go back to Arnold Classic.

00:28:04.600 So, Arnold Classic, when you guys were competing and the whole controversy happened with coronavirus, how was that handled when you were going?

00:28:10.460 I know about a quarter of a million people couldn't go to the expo.

00:28:15.480 There were some people that were partners.

00:28:17.340 How was that frenzy when you were in it?

00:28:19.580 What were you guys experiencing?

00:28:20.680 We didn't, I mean, we were pretty much in our own element as usual because, you know, normally I'm in my room the whole time anyway.

00:28:32.540 When I'm competing, I don't go to the expo anyway, you know.

00:28:36.600 Never.

00:28:37.820 Back in the day, I used to, when I worked for Muscle Tech and stuff, we had to go there for an hour and a half or something like that.

00:28:43.300 But, as I got older and don't have a sponsored nutrition company anymore, I don't go to the expo anymore anyway.

00:28:52.900 So, that didn't affect me at all.

00:28:56.060 I think for the people, I mean, because it's a sad situation.

00:28:59.680 I can understand exactly where both parties are, you know, coming from, you know, especially Arnold because this show has been going on so long.

00:29:11.540 And, plus, you know, he's, I mean, it's the biggest thing in Ohio.

00:29:16.260 It's the biggest event in Ohio.

00:29:18.500 And, for them to shut it down was pretty, you know, without even, I think, from what I've heard, I'm not 100% sure, but this is just what I heard.

00:29:29.600 They shut it down without even consulting him first.

00:29:32.480 You know, it's a news conference and they call Arnold while they had the news conference, while they was giving the conference.

00:29:39.640 So, that was pretty much a slap in the face.

00:29:42.800 But, if things were done the right way, I can understand where the government was coming from as well.

00:29:51.320 You know, Arnold thing is, you still got Cavalier games that's got 30,000 people, 20,000 people at the game.

00:29:58.380 And, that's still going on.

00:30:01.000 Well, at our event, we still had our fans that night.

00:30:05.800 But, I can see where they're coming from because 20,000 versus 250,000, that's a big difference.

00:30:11.720 And, in those expos, it's all about touching.

00:30:14.340 Then, you touching, then you bumping and touching everybody.

00:30:16.700 You're kind of controlled when you've got your own seats, you know.

00:30:19.880 So, that's why I figure they let us have our normal night show with everybody because it's controlled.

00:30:28.780 They already bought these seats and they know where everybody's at.

00:30:31.640 And, it's not like other people are still coming in.

00:30:34.140 You know what I'm saying?

00:30:34.700 Like an expo.

00:30:35.420 Expos in and out.

00:30:36.180 People coming from everywhere, all over the world.

00:30:38.000 That's one thing our people don't understand.

00:30:39.540 These people are coming from all over the world.

00:30:42.320 When you've got the NBA game, those people are probably just right from Cleveland.

00:30:45.500 That's right.

00:30:45.900 Unless, if it's a playoff championship game, different story.

00:30:48.160 But, it's a season game, it's local people.

00:30:49.880 Absolutely.

00:30:50.600 And, the Arnold Classic, these people are coming from all over the world.

00:30:53.200 Got it.

00:30:53.480 You know.

00:30:53.820 So, they can be carrying anything.

00:30:55.720 That makes sense.

00:30:56.840 There's not – they haven't been – I know people that have gone – some of my friends

00:31:01.020 that have gone to the Arnold.

00:31:01.900 They got sick every year.

00:31:04.960 That's before the coronavirus.

00:31:06.840 They're sick every year.

00:31:08.100 They go back home and they're sick with something.

00:31:10.860 You know what I'm saying?

00:31:11.500 So, I can understand with both parties, it was just a sad situation that it had to go down.

00:31:17.900 You know, now that this whole virus thing is going down, man, it's sad for everybody that's involved.

00:31:23.400 You know what I'm saying?

00:31:24.460 Let me ask you, was there any talks on why the governor didn't reach out to Arnold or no?

00:31:29.020 Those kinds of talks, nobody had with you guys?

00:31:31.340 No.

00:31:31.900 I don't know anything about Arnold.

00:31:32.880 That's not at your level.

00:31:33.760 That's at their level, political.

00:31:35.560 Right.

00:31:36.020 Okay.

00:31:36.800 And –

00:31:37.760 But, the athletes – the athletes were screened.

00:31:40.240 You know, when we got off the plane, we had to go into a room.

00:31:42.880 Really?

00:31:43.520 And, we were screened.

00:31:44.380 Now, I don't know – I don't know what exactly this screening can do for you, but all we did was do a, you know, temperature.

00:31:53.180 You know, put the temperature gauge in our mouth.

00:31:54.860 I took our temperature and we answered some questions.

00:31:57.140 Are you from a different country?

00:31:58.100 Have you visited this country or this country?

00:32:00.600 And that's it.

00:32:02.120 So, I don't know what that was supposed to do.

00:32:06.440 Maybe if your temperature was higher than what they were looking for, they probably would have put you to the side and did some more tests or whatever.

00:32:15.540 But, as long as you – you know, your temperature was low, you was fine.

00:32:21.320 So, no blood or urine.

00:32:22.760 No.

00:32:22.940 There was no blood or urine taken at all for it.

00:32:24.700 And, no one was asked, you can't compete.

00:32:26.520 There was no incident that said, this person cannot compete.

00:32:28.860 I didn't know.

00:32:29.740 All the guys that were there all competed.

00:32:32.820 And, are most of you guys – I mean, it's a – bodybuilding is a fraternity, right?

00:32:36.560 It's a group of people that are pretty much doing the same sport.

00:32:39.020 So, you are competing.

00:32:40.560 But, in a way, you also kind of want the sport to be getting bigger and bigger because it benefits everybody.

00:32:45.020 Right.

00:32:45.380 Were you guys all on the same page kind of with the decision made for the quarter million people coming through on the expo?

00:32:52.800 Or, it's like, I think the right decision was made.

00:32:54.480 Or, were there certain people that were saying, you know –

00:32:57.140 Yeah, it was mixed.

00:32:58.460 It was mixed.

00:32:59.220 It was mixed.

00:33:01.000 Some wanted it.

00:33:01.780 Some didn't want it.

00:33:03.320 You know what?

00:33:04.640 I think the whole thing came down to – they was getting a lot of heat from – you know, people that was – you know, people that didn't want this expo to go down.

00:33:14.540 Whose people?

00:33:16.100 The general public.

00:33:17.220 They was partitioning this thing.

00:33:18.760 Oh, these are local –

00:33:19.540 You're right.

00:33:20.940 I got it.

00:33:21.540 That's the main – from what I understand, that's what really did it.

00:33:25.240 It made the government step up and say, we, you know, we need to shut it down because you would get so many people complaining about, you know, complaining about it.

00:33:33.940 Yeah, I wonder if Governor DeWine has a relationship with Arnold and if there's any kind of a connection with him, Trump, because, you know, him and Trump, the whole show and their level of competitiveness for each other.

00:33:47.880 I don't know – obviously, DeWine is a Republican.

00:33:50.360 Or Arnold's a Republican or – Arnold's a Republican or Trump's a Republican, but Arnold's a different kind of Republican than DeWine.

00:33:56.140 I don't know the decision-making behind of it – behind it.

00:33:59.120 I do know – how is this being talked about for Mr. Olympia?

00:34:04.800 Is there any talks that if this continues, the same could happen with Mr. Olympia?

00:34:09.240 Oh, I'm pretty sure it can.

00:34:10.780 Yeah, that's pretty interesting.

00:34:11.880 From what I understand, they just said – they just shut a big event down here in Austin, right?

00:34:16.940 It's like 400,000 people.

00:34:18.700 Yeah, they did, South by Southwest.

00:34:20.280 Yeah, that's the biggest one.

00:34:21.300 Yeah.

00:34:22.260 Not just South by Southwest.

00:34:23.540 They're also doing the one in Miami.

00:34:25.060 Ulta.

00:34:25.580 Ulta, which is – how many people show up to Ulta, by the way?

00:34:28.500 What's the number?

00:34:29.620 I'll look up.

00:34:30.180 It's got to be –

00:34:31.140 A thousand.

00:34:31.320 No, no, it's got to be a big number.

00:34:33.020 It's not even –

00:34:33.640 Yeah, yeah, South by Southwest.

00:34:34.920 South by Southwest is massive.

00:34:36.460 You know, you should think about it.

00:34:37.060 This is some interesting stuff here.

00:34:39.040 I mean, obviously –

00:34:40.200 See, but what's so sad about it, Patrick, is I was actually speaking with one of – a business owner there,

00:34:47.840 a small business owner has a restaurant, and they've got to go out of business now because they need this weekend.

00:34:54.540 They need it that weekend.

00:34:55.820 Yeah.

00:34:55.960 So just all the small businesses, man, that's in trouble, they rely on that competition coming to town

00:35:03.200 because so many people come and they flood their restaurants or whatever,

00:35:07.440 and that's how they make a lot of their money through the whole year.

00:35:09.400 Yeah.

00:35:10.220 So a lot of these companies are going to have to shut down now because of this year,

00:35:13.420 this whole coronavirus thing, and it's sad.

00:35:15.940 It's absolutely sad.

00:35:17.040 And I hope, one, they get to the bottom of it fairly quickly and make some real decisions about this to get –

00:35:25.560 I mean, listen, we're one of the most innovative countries in the world.

00:35:28.860 If we want to create something and solve something, we can do it.

00:35:31.460 But this is a time that they need to – you heard about what happened with Italy.

00:35:34.740 Italy, northern Italy.

00:35:35.920 You talk about 18 million, 17 million people shut them down.

00:35:38.320 Yes.

00:35:39.020 And even in Iran, you know, folks – no one's taking folks that are traveling, whether it's from China or Iran.

00:35:45.000 There's a lot of it going on.

00:35:45.940 But you're in the health world.

00:35:47.760 So I'm wondering, like, how is Mr. Olympia?

00:35:50.320 Because it's not like it's a big margin game.

00:35:52.580 This is not a big profit game, you know.

00:35:54.280 So they have – and especially now that Jake Wood, there's a new owner,

00:35:57.240 it's going to be interesting to see the decisions they'll be making moving forward.

00:36:01.960 But going back to you and retirement, I've got to ask this question from you, man.

00:36:07.980 I've got to ask this question from you.

00:36:09.660 So one question is the one that I ask you, young guys coming up, okay,

00:36:14.020 and then I'm going to get to my next question.

00:36:15.720 Who are some of the young guys that you're looking at?

00:36:18.200 I mean, you're the veteran of veterans who's still in the game.

00:36:21.280 There's nobody that's a bigger veteran than you that's a winner, you know.

00:36:23.940 It's kind of like a guy who's playing and he's still winning, right?

00:36:28.160 Who do you look at and say, that guy can have a big future, he can compete,

00:36:33.780 that guy could win it one day, he definitely could win it one day.

00:36:36.920 What are some names that you're looking at?

00:36:38.480 Patrick, Patrick can.

00:36:45.520 He's got to bring up a lot of body parts, his legs, he's got to bring his legs up big time.

00:36:52.080 But he has a bright future, he's got the small waist and all that stuff,

00:36:55.280 but he's got to put on some foot, he's got to get thicker.

00:36:57.900 That comes in time, that's muscle maturity, it comes in time.

00:37:01.140 So you can't rush the process, as long as he don't rush the process,

00:37:05.920 and he takes and do like I did, put a little bit on each year,

00:37:11.760 and keep all the negativity out, keep his mouth shut, he can go places.

00:37:18.280 I actually told him this myself.

00:37:21.100 You know, a lot of these young guys come to me for advice.

00:37:25.220 What do you mean by keep your mouth shut and negativity?

00:37:27.200 What does that mean?

00:37:27.760 Just being, you know, on Instagram or social media and complaining about this and that

00:37:34.480 and going back and forth with people, cussing people out, and, you know,

00:37:40.120 Sergio did that for a while, he's finally calmed down with that.

00:37:43.480 But Sergio can definitely, you know, he can definitely go places.

00:37:49.300 I like Steve Kuklo.

00:37:51.540 Steve can, if Steve can keep his head on straight and continue doing what he's doing,

00:37:56.640 control his stomach.

00:37:58.080 You know, I told him I'm going to help him with that.

00:38:02.160 I don't see why he can't, you know, be one of the main guys coming, you know,

00:38:07.020 in the future when I'm gone.

00:38:08.220 Winning?

00:38:09.640 I don't know about any of these guys winning.

00:38:11.620 Okay.

00:38:12.440 Because, you know, that's up to the judges.

00:38:16.020 I can't predict the future.

00:38:17.660 But if they keep their head on straight, they got a good chance.

00:38:20.580 Of maybe winning one day.

00:38:21.920 Right.

00:38:22.460 Kuklo. 0.74

00:38:23.480 Kuklo, too.

00:38:24.200 Yeah.

00:38:24.320 Okay.

00:38:24.540 I put him in there.

00:38:25.340 Yeah.

00:38:26.420 Because, you know, I'm getting ready to retire and, you know, but, you know, you can't put

00:38:33.900 Rowley and you can't put William and all these guys.

00:38:36.240 They're older now.

00:38:38.160 You know what I'm saying?

00:38:38.740 We're talking about the younger guys, like you said.

00:38:40.640 That's why I'm talking about the younger guys.

00:38:41.240 Yeah.

00:38:41.360 And, you know, so those are, well, even Steve's getting up there then, but he's still considered

00:38:45.540 one of the younger guys because he's just starting to get up top with us.

00:38:48.380 Right.

00:38:49.120 I mean, they call you.

00:38:49.940 Is there anybody that you say, I like this guy's physique?

00:38:52.040 You look out for this guy.

00:38:53.660 Long shot, but look out for this one guy.

00:38:55.880 Any name.

00:38:58.640 Well, I would have to say Patrick.

00:39:00.040 Patrick was the hardest name coming in.

00:39:01.260 But what a lot of people don't understand, I told these people, I'm like, listen, Patrick

00:39:06.640 can be great, but he's not ready.

00:39:09.420 That's the same thing I used to say to Phil.

00:39:10.620 He's got to tell Phil that himself.

00:39:12.320 That's why he used to want to beat me so bad.

00:39:15.040 He's not ready right now.

00:39:17.100 And you saw that because he's done all these small shows.

00:39:20.420 And you saw that once he stepped on stage against some Olympia, you know, vets, it's going

00:39:26.320 to be a different ball game.

00:39:27.240 I told everybody that coming into the Arnold, you know what I'm saying?

00:39:31.700 But not to say that he can't be great.

00:39:34.160 I mean, when I first came in, I wasn't, you know, I was ninth, ninth, eighth in Olympia.

00:39:39.580 Mm-hmm.

00:39:40.620 And then I finally started doing something.

00:39:42.600 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:43.900 Like Phil.

00:39:44.900 Phil ran for three years before he competed in his first Olympia.

00:39:47.720 He was scared to compete against us.

00:39:49.300 Yeah, I said it, Phil.

00:39:50.100 But once he came into his own, no stopping him.

00:39:57.200 Same thing with Patrick.

00:39:59.900 If Patrick continues doing what he's doing, putting on sides in the right places, I think

00:40:06.160 he can definitely win an Olympia in the future.

00:40:08.200 In the future.

00:40:09.060 Yeah.

00:40:09.340 Okay.

00:40:09.580 So outside of those three names, you don't have another name.

00:40:11.900 Those are the three names you are.

00:40:13.040 Well, if you throw some Davies out of Timmy, then I can tell you, yeah, nay.

00:40:15.480 But as of right now, I can't think of it.

00:40:17.440 I'm just curious.

00:40:18.020 I'm just curious because, you know, in sports, you kind of look at the next guys coming up.

00:40:22.120 I thought maybe in your world, you guys are talking about that this guy's got the goodies.

00:40:26.460 He could potentially do something.

00:40:28.080 Look out for this guy.

00:40:29.520 That guy's got to get the caps done.

00:40:30.640 The only way that I even notice a person is when they're getting a lot of press from social media.

00:40:40.560 You know, I didn't know who Patrick was until I started seeing him all on social media.

00:40:43.520 Everybody, oh, he should have did this and did that.

00:40:45.980 You know what I'm saying?

00:40:46.500 And then it came up.

00:40:47.300 Like when he won, I think he won Cal.

00:40:49.220 When he won Cal, that's when he started getting a lot of press.

00:40:51.260 Yeah.

00:40:52.320 His name is everywhere, by the way.

00:40:53.440 Everybody's dropping his name that he could potentially one day win it.

00:40:55.840 Yeah.

00:40:56.500 You're saying that that's another validation.

00:40:58.420 And by the way, Phil thinks the world of you.

00:41:01.440 And you know that already, though.

00:41:02.720 Phil is my boy, man.

00:41:03.620 Phil thinks the world of you.

00:41:05.220 So retirement.

00:41:07.340 You're talking about retirement and you're very committed to it.

00:41:09.620 Very, very committed to it, to retirement.

00:41:12.260 Super committed to the decision of wanting to retiring.

00:41:15.660 But here's a but for you.

00:41:17.700 Okay, here's a but for you.

00:41:19.240 Okay.

00:41:19.440 You've got Arnold Classic.

00:41:22.240 Okay.

00:41:22.980 You've got these competitions that you've done.

00:41:26.700 Mr. Olympia, you've won.

00:41:27.720 Arnold Classic, you've won.

00:41:28.780 Right?

00:41:29.520 There's this something new thing coming out.

00:41:31.180 I don't know if you've heard of it.

00:41:32.160 It's called Athleticon.

00:41:33.540 Right?

00:41:33.700 You've never, maybe if you've never heard of it, it's in a lot of talks right now.

00:41:37.740 Yeah, I've heard of it.

00:41:37.940 So you obviously know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:41:39.620 I'm being sarcastic with you.

00:41:41.260 You know, that's a whole different ball game.

00:41:45.000 And the reason why I'm saying it's a whole different ball game, I don't think competing

00:41:48.700 in Athleticon is necessarily the same as the other ones because the benefits package is

00:41:53.120 bigger.

00:41:53.380 You just saw Phil just announced that he signed with Danny and he just signed with them on

00:41:58.020 some things he's going to be doing.

00:41:59.480 I didn't see that, but that's good for him.

00:42:01.100 Yeah.

00:42:01.420 He just, Danny's now representing him and he's got some good things that he's working on

00:42:06.080 that he'll be announcing here soon.

00:42:07.740 But if Athleticon comes out and there's a big opportunity, you mean to tell me you wouldn't

00:42:13.320 consider it at all to possibly compete with those guys and you'd say Mr. Olympia is the

00:42:16.660 last one?

00:42:17.740 As of right now, Mr. Olympia is my last competition.

00:42:21.860 Okay.

00:42:22.060 So that means there's a little bit of a chance.

00:42:23.760 It's almost like the movie.

00:42:25.080 What's that one movie with Jim Carrey?

00:42:28.540 There's a chance.

00:42:29.420 See, when I first got, when I first got wind of this competition, you know, rumors was

00:42:37.700 flying.

00:42:38.480 Oh, it's going to be $500,000 for the winter.

00:42:41.380 Of course I'm going to do that.

00:42:43.860 But then when it went down, then it was like, well, it's going to be $100,000 per category.

00:42:49.740 I'm like, wait a minute.

00:42:51.500 We the bodybuilders, we the one to bring the crowd.

00:42:53.760 We the one should be making the most money.

00:42:55.740 That right there gave me a, like, wait a minute.

00:42:58.880 You know, if we the one to draw the crowd, why are people taking it from us?

00:43:03.760 I give you a different perspective.

00:43:05.340 I give you different from the business standpoint, because you want to get into it.

00:43:07.700 You want to go to the business side, right?

00:43:08.680 Okay.

00:43:09.280 Remember back in the days, the sale was what?

00:43:11.560 When you said in one interview, you said, you know, why'd you become a bodybuilder?

00:43:14.520 Oh, because, you know, I went to this one show, and I saw the girls scream and say, oh, my 0.95

00:43:18.140 gosh, look at this.

00:43:18.880 I want to get this kind of attention from girls, because you come from a family of athletes. 0.91

00:43:23.000 You know, you played everybody in your family.

00:43:25.040 I think you were a football guy.

00:43:26.160 You played baseball.

00:43:26.860 You didn't play basketball.

00:43:27.820 You were tracked.

00:43:29.000 And you were good at it, right?

00:43:30.000 You did your homework, brother.

00:43:30.860 So, you're a guy that came from that world.

00:43:34.760 And they used to pitch you guys back in the days and say, yeah, let me tell you, you know,

00:43:38.700 imagine being on a cover of a magazine.

00:43:40.600 That was a big deal.

00:43:41.380 No one cares about being on a cover of a magazine today, which is 20 years ago.

00:43:44.000 You used to write before, whether it was Flex, and you made a few thousand dollars a month

00:43:47.700 writing.

00:43:48.120 That doesn't work anymore today.

00:43:49.280 Today, you got to do it on your own social media and site, right?

00:43:51.380 So, let's set that part aside.

00:43:54.100 Back then, it mattered if you were on cover of a muscle mag or Flex or whatever.

00:43:58.980 Absolutely.

00:43:59.780 Today, maybe Athleticon's pitch is, listen, forget about the upfront money.

00:44:04.880 Don't think short term.

00:44:06.180 Think about the connections and the movies and the opportunities and the commercials and

00:44:10.800 the shows.

00:44:11.780 So, if I'm a Danny or a Rock, that's how I'm pitching myself.

00:44:16.640 If I'm sitting behind closed doors, I'm sitting there saying, listen, man, this one

00:44:20.200 will let you know, if you're just coming for the 100 grand, we're the wrong show for you.

00:44:23.440 But if you come in here to be part of the family, like, let me, let me, a guy asked me

00:44:27.560 a question.

00:44:28.000 He says, I'm an actor.

00:44:28.980 Okay?

00:44:29.380 Good looking guy.

00:44:30.860 And he says, I'm doing work, man, but I'm having a hard time.

00:44:33.520 And this guy's done some work.

00:44:34.720 He did some work with Denzel.

00:44:35.720 He did some work with some guys, but he is the actor that should be getting more jobs,

00:44:42.460 but he's not because he studied the right art and he went to the right acting school.

00:44:49.080 And he's asking me this question, Pat, what should I do to get some play in Hollywood?

00:44:52.700 I said, look, man, I just got to tell you something.

00:44:54.420 If I wanted to get into Hollywood right now and I wanted to act, I would do whatever I

00:44:58.880 could to get in the right team.

00:45:00.700 He says, what do you mean?

00:45:01.800 I said, if you look at nowadays, actors are making movies based on teams.

00:45:07.840 Adam Sandler and four other guys keep making movies together.

00:45:10.780 And the same guys that were one is in the next one and the next one and the next one, right?

00:45:14.080 Like Vince Vaughn and what is it, Owen Wilson, Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau and one of his

00:45:19.740 other friends, you know, whether it's swingers or, you know, Peter, that's right.

00:45:23.960 You look at some of these guys and they're kind of getting in the mix.

00:45:27.480 I don't know.

00:45:28.160 I mean, you know, if a personality like yours gets picked up and then you get other opportunities,

00:45:34.600 maybe something you ought to consider, you know, long term.

00:45:37.880 Because it's not every day.

00:45:40.580 Like if I had you and I'm your agent, you're marketable, man.

00:45:44.100 Are you freaking kidding me?

00:45:45.260 It's like a 50-year-old looking the way you do.

00:45:48.720 No one can say that in the world.

00:45:50.780 You realize there's only one of you in the world.

00:45:53.100 If we were to put anybody above 50, okay, anybody above 50, if we even put anybody above

00:46:00.360 40, Phil would be in a competition if we wanted to compete.

00:46:03.600 But if we put anybody above 50, who's even close?

00:46:07.960 Nowhere.

00:46:09.180 That's a marketable story.

00:46:11.340 I can understand where you're coming from.

00:46:13.400 But if the contest was closer to the Olympia, then.

00:46:17.740 Time-wise.

00:46:18.300 Time-wise.

00:46:19.620 I mean, it's, what, October, November sometime?

00:46:22.300 The Olympia's in September.

00:46:23.520 I'm already doing all these shows now, right?

00:46:27.340 Take a break, then do the Olympia.

00:46:29.160 Then, it would be extremely difficult for me to take another break and compete in November.

00:46:37.620 You know what I'm saying?

00:46:38.280 Yeah, I get it.

00:46:38.880 If it was closer, it would be a no-brainer.

00:46:40.640 But how'd you do it in 2015 when you did 9 out of 12 and you won 9 competitions?

00:46:44.460 It's all back-to-back.

00:46:46.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:46:46.640 So if you can't do that, you can't do it again?

00:46:48.480 No, no, no.

00:46:49.120 They were all back-to-back.

00:46:50.580 Oh, and what timeline?

00:46:52.480 Okay.

00:46:52.660 Kind of like this Australian one you were doing?

00:46:54.180 Right.

00:46:54.640 Oh, okay, I got it.

00:46:55.360 You see what I'm saying?

00:46:55.860 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:46:56.900 So if you got a show, if you got the Olympian, because all the shows that I competed in,

00:47:02.920 they usually run back-to-back, okay, and not split apart, okay?

00:47:09.360 And what I mean by split apart is one's not in February and the other one's in June and

00:47:15.220 the other one's in December.

00:47:17.600 These shows that I won, it was two weeks apart, one week apart.

00:47:21.860 Give me an example, like when you won Masters, Mr. Olympia, and you won Europe, and how long

00:47:26.740 were those three contests?

00:47:28.180 Okay, that wasn't in the same year.

00:47:29.720 Okay, then give me the one where you won 9 out of 12 in 15.

00:47:33.280 Okay, so say I did 9 shows in 2015, right?

00:47:38.200 So it starts with the Arnold.

00:47:39.500 I do the Arnold, the Australia, and maybe two Grand Prixs, and they're all back-to-back.

00:47:45.680 How long is back-to-back?

00:47:46.620 What's that timeline?

00:47:47.260 It can be, I can't, I don't know the exact dates back then, but it can be, yeah, it

00:47:53.020 can be four to six weeks.

00:47:54.280 You see what I'm saying?

00:47:55.380 I mean, if you look at it.

00:47:55.940 Hold on, hold on.

00:47:57.200 I'm trying to set you up that there is a possibility.

00:48:00.860 Okay, but hold on, but you got the Arnold, and you got two shows, three shows after, right?

00:48:05.840 That's back-to-back.

00:48:07.720 Then that year I had the Olympia, and you had three shows back-to-back.

00:48:12.320 Those shows were over in September.

00:48:15.440 I got it.

00:48:15.940 That you want me to die in another two, three months?

00:48:20.320 That's a lot of work.

00:48:21.340 So the gap.

00:48:22.100 The gap.

00:48:22.480 Can you actually get the dates exactly when is Athleticon and when is Mr. Olympia?

00:48:27.020 Mr. Olympia is what?

00:48:27.840 Second week of September or third?

00:48:29.260 Second week.

00:48:29.880 Second week.

00:48:30.660 Okay.

00:48:31.700 October 10th to 11th is Athleticon?

00:48:33.540 Athleticon.

00:48:34.360 So it's four weeks.

00:48:35.700 It's four weeks.

00:48:36.600 So there you have it.

00:48:37.540 You got four weeks timeline.

00:48:39.460 Four weeks is, four weeks.

00:48:40.900 I thought it was like November or something.

00:48:42.460 Well, I mean, if you think about this, because you can still stay true to your commitment of saying, I'm retiring in 2020.

00:48:47.880 Anyways, I'm not trying to throw a wrench in there.

00:48:50.760 I'm sure that Mr. Olympia people are already pissed off enough with me that this is just adding, can this guy who's got a channel on entrepreneurship stop talking about you?

00:48:58.280 No, no, no, no, because I just, to be honest with you, I just had eight weeks in your mind.

00:49:05.420 Prague is a week after the Olympia.

00:49:07.200 They just stepped up their game, put more money in that show, and they're pitching hard to get athletes.

00:49:13.160 So, you know, Prague is a week after the Olympia.

00:49:16.920 So who knows?

00:49:17.340 Prague is what?

00:49:17.740 Which one is Prague?

00:49:18.660 Prague is also Mr. Olympia or no?

00:49:20.600 No, no.

00:49:21.420 Prague is just another competition.

00:49:23.000 Like, it's not like Athleticon, but it's the Prague Pro.

00:49:25.660 You see what I'm saying?

00:49:27.460 Athleticon, Prague Pro.

00:49:27.760 Well, no, no, no, well, I mean, as a competition, not how prestigious that show is going to be.

00:49:32.880 It's going to be crazy.

00:49:33.680 Don't get me wrong.

00:49:35.400 But being that it's in October and it's only a month later, hey, I consider it now, because I, you see, we don't have any information.

00:49:44.600 No one is telling us nothing.

00:49:45.940 We don't even know how much money is in the damn show. 0.91

00:49:48.580 It's not the money, Dave.

00:49:49.880 It's all about the money, brother.

00:49:51.400 I'm telling you, I know it is, because I know this is a career.

00:49:53.900 You know, one thing about you is, you know, you're a professional.

00:49:57.180 This is your business.

00:49:58.120 I asked Phil if it's all about the money.

00:50:00.180 Phil tells shows all the time.

00:50:02.520 He told Arnold, if you put more money in it, I'll do it.

00:50:04.780 He wouldn't do it unless he put more money in it.

00:50:06.680 That's the Arnold.

00:50:07.700 Yeah.

00:50:08.160 But I think what Phil is doing is, remember how you said also is when you said when you were training back in your 20s, 30s, it was kind of like, you know, I can eat anything in abs.

00:50:15.960 And then I learned that I don't have to do free weights because I wanted to take care of my joints.

00:50:20.100 So you saw your peers kind of hurting themselves, squatting 800 pounds.

00:50:23.340 He said, look, I'm going to make some adjustments.

00:50:24.820 Like the machine that you found with your legs and how it helped you build up.

00:50:27.680 And then you found out with the abs, with the probiotics you don't want to tell us about that you eventually will.

00:50:32.700 Maybe Phil is also sitting there saying, this is about contacts and relationships.

00:50:37.520 Who knows?

00:50:38.040 No, no, no.

00:50:38.460 So we're not talking about that.

00:50:40.120 What you said was, it's not all about the money.

00:50:43.460 I know.

00:50:43.680 It's absolutely about it because Phil wouldn't even do it unless they put more money in the show.

00:50:47.940 He wouldn't do what?

00:50:48.600 He wouldn't do all of them.

00:50:49.100 He wouldn't compete.

00:50:49.840 No, he straight up told them, if you put more money in the show, then I'll do it.

00:50:53.480 The Olympia pays $400,000.

00:50:54.820 You got to at least pay that.

00:50:56.340 That's Phil.

00:50:57.320 That's your boy saying that.

00:50:58.800 I'm talking about you and Athleticom.

00:51:01.420 I'm talking you and Athleticom.

00:51:03.440 I'm talking you and Athleticom.

00:51:04.820 Look, I don't work for any of these guys.

00:51:06.520 Listen.

00:51:06.880 It's not like I'm getting a 5% or 20% commission.

00:51:09.540 But look, now I got some more information.

00:51:17.940 I've gotten some more information on when the show is going to be.

00:51:21.200 Now I at least know when the show is.

00:51:22.820 Okay.

00:51:23.280 Okay.

00:51:23.900 We don't know exactly how much money.

00:51:26.160 Listen.

00:51:27.840 In this sport.

00:51:28.980 Yeah.

00:51:31.340 When it says, when you come, if I were to come out with a show and I put $200,000 in the show.

00:51:36.520 Yeah.

00:51:36.680 I'm going to have a lot of great guys coming to that show.

00:51:39.100 Okay.

00:51:39.760 If I just put a little bit of money in the show and put like $20,000 in the show, those

00:51:44.200 big names ain't going to come to that show.

00:51:45.660 It's not enough money.

00:51:46.480 What if you got 150 million followers on Instagram?

00:51:49.260 That ain't got nothing to do with it.

00:51:50.280 Oh, Dex.

00:51:51.160 You got to think long term.

00:51:52.280 Nah, nah.

00:51:53.060 You got to think long term.

00:51:54.160 No, he got 150 million.

00:51:56.440 Not me.

00:51:57.240 That ain't got nothing to do with me.

00:51:58.360 But you don't think Joe Weed have played a big role in our buddy Arnold?

00:52:01.600 I mean, you got to.

00:52:02.480 So you got to think about it.

00:52:03.720 I know you're trying your best to get.

00:52:05.760 I'm just telling you, I don't benefit from it.

00:52:07.880 Just know I don't benefit from it.

00:52:09.380 I'm not in any.

00:52:10.680 I get calls.

00:52:11.540 And you have to know that out of respect for all these guys, I get calls.

00:52:15.580 I get calls about sitting as an advisor, and I'm not coming from a place of saying pitching

00:52:21.880 or not pitching.

00:52:22.640 All I'm saying is, you just placed second on Arnold Classic going up against everybody

00:52:27.420 that's younger than you, and you look sick. 0.87

00:52:30.260 You look sick.

00:52:31.120 This is absolutely right.

00:52:32.100 And you got something there that's a ton of eyeballs.

00:52:34.980 But that don't mean I should put my body at risk by keep doing all these freaking shows.

00:52:40.280 Not the risk part.

00:52:41.160 I'm not suggesting risk part.

00:52:42.700 But you got to put all that into consideration.

00:52:44.640 I totally get it.

00:52:45.540 That's why I totally get it.

00:52:46.560 But this kind of gave us a little bit more context.

00:52:48.420 No, it's only four weeks apart.

00:52:49.720 And you have, now, you have at least convinced me enough to say, hey, I'll think about it.

00:52:59.500 There you go.

00:53:00.080 That's all we need.

00:53:00.960 Yes.

00:53:01.540 That's all we need.

00:53:01.960 Phil couldn't even do that.

00:53:04.700 Because he all secretive and shit.

00:53:06.620 So he all secretive.

00:53:12.280 Well, to be fair with everybody, this is a pretty secret of the world.

00:53:15.020 You didn't want to tell us what you're doing to get your abs straight.

00:53:17.140 Because you don't want to give your guys an edge.

00:53:18.560 Your competitors an edge.

00:53:19.580 I mean, we can get one.

00:53:20.600 We can't even get you to tell us one small little thing about that.

00:53:23.680 But that's fair.

00:53:24.080 I did.

00:53:24.400 I told you.

00:53:25.100 Yes, you did.

00:53:25.600 You did a little bit.

00:53:26.540 Just out of fairness.

00:53:27.420 Okay.

00:53:28.080 So we covered that.

00:53:28.780 We covered Athleticon.

00:53:29.540 Sean, I want to talk about your best friend here, Sean Ray.

00:53:31.840 Okay.

00:53:33.960 I want to show a video about what he said when he was here with me.

00:53:36.840 Now, obviously, you know, at this point, we've had who?

00:53:39.260 Dorian on.

00:53:39.860 We've had Ronnie on.

00:53:40.820 We've had Curry on.

00:53:41.720 We've had Flex on.

00:53:43.040 Sean on.

00:53:44.000 And just Wayne D'Amelia, which is going to be going out here pretty soon.

00:53:47.580 Wayne?

00:53:48.020 Wayne.

00:53:48.820 Wayne dropped some.

00:53:50.360 Wayne wasn't holding back with nothing, which was pretty interesting.

00:53:53.440 And now it's obviously you.

00:53:56.000 So I'm going to play what he said.

00:53:58.220 Okay?

00:53:59.120 But before you play that.

00:54:00.280 Okay.

00:54:00.560 Tell me.

00:54:00.860 Let's just go.

00:54:01.800 Let me go ahead and tell you now.

00:54:03.120 Give us some context.

00:54:03.720 He already rebutted what he said already.

00:54:05.700 He came out with his own video.

00:54:07.320 Yes.

00:54:08.060 Okay.

00:54:08.620 I saw that.

00:54:09.300 But I want to hear from you.

00:54:10.440 I want to hear what you did say.

00:54:11.240 No, because I was going to smash him after I saw that video.

00:54:13.620 But now since he came back and apologized and said he ain't mean it that way, then I'm going

00:54:18.720 to let him slide.

00:54:19.380 Okay.

00:54:19.500 Then I'm just going to play it anyways for just entertainment purposes.

00:54:22.480 You know, you can maybe enjoy watching it.

00:54:27.040 Current era against your era?

00:54:28.780 No.

00:54:29.120 None of these guys in the top 10.

00:54:30.660 The one that could be the top 10 would probably be Dexter Jackson.

00:54:34.560 But the other guys, no.

00:54:36.920 These guys are right where they need to be for their timing.

00:54:39.780 And they're lucky that Dexter's not 10 years younger.

00:54:42.800 Gay couldn't be Dexter if he was 10 years younger. 0.97

00:54:44.560 Dexter in his prime couldn't make the top six of the Olympia.

00:54:47.840 And I was there.

00:54:51.040 He's already given his answer.

00:54:52.480 Well, first of all, my first three years are not my prime.

00:54:59.840 I turned pro in 99, 2000, 2001.

00:55:04.940 That's when I competed against Sean.

00:55:05.980 That's not my prime.

00:55:07.040 My prime went until I hit 2005, 2006, and 2007.

00:55:09.720 That's my prime.

00:55:10.500 When Sean was beating me, I was damn near Sean's weight.

00:55:15.360 205.

00:55:16.100 Yeah.

00:55:16.760 That's when Sean was beating me.

00:55:18.680 When I started smoking Sean, Sean left because he, I'm not even getting into all that.

00:55:24.580 But when I started beating some of the older, you know, older guys.

00:55:29.900 See, here's the thing.

00:55:31.160 Everybody's always coming out trying to compare.

00:55:33.380 You can't compare errors.

00:55:35.280 It's a totally different, you know, this error is totally different from the 90s.

00:55:41.200 Okay.

00:55:41.440 Those guys were sucked in and sucked down.

00:55:43.780 And I was eating four or five meals to look like that.

00:55:47.960 Nowadays, you've got to eat your ass off to be full.

00:55:51.380 You come in like that, you're going to get smoked because these guys are full these days.

00:55:56.420 Two totally different errors.

00:55:59.240 You know what I'm saying?

00:55:59.680 Not to say that these guys in this error can't suck down like that.

00:56:03.680 Right.

00:56:03.820 Of course they can.

00:56:04.620 Right.

00:56:05.100 But it's all about being full these days.

00:56:07.420 If you any flat or anything like that, you're done, you know.

00:56:12.080 So, it's, that's why I always say you can't, you can't, why do you even try and compare errors?

00:56:17.720 You can't do that.

00:56:18.460 But I think you're a good guy for it.

00:56:19.720 When Sean and them beat me, when Sean beat me my first three years, you know, he was Sean Ray, you know.

00:56:26.680 That last Olympia, I got photos.

00:56:28.500 You can see the photos.

00:56:29.980 I've posted on my Instagram.

00:56:31.280 I smoked Sean my last, you know, his last year.

00:56:36.020 But he's Sean Ray, you know what I'm saying?

00:56:38.560 And I got no problem losing to Sean, okay?

00:56:43.520 But being my prime, I would definitely smoke Sean, for sure.

00:56:47.660 You and your prime, you would definitely smoke Sean.

00:56:49.260 It wasn't even close.

00:56:49.960 I was 230.

00:56:50.580 He was 200.

00:56:51.680 So, 230.

00:56:52.480 Let me ask you this question.

00:56:53.640 From head to toe, straight from head to toe.

00:56:55.380 Sean, he was, he wasn't even, he didn't even have straight glutes, man.

00:56:58.800 Come on, man.

00:56:59.800 And he was narrow.

00:57:00.620 He had no streets on his quads.

00:57:02.780 No, I would definitely smoke Sean.

00:57:05.320 Dex, technical question for you.

00:57:07.840 Technical question for you.

00:57:08.940 You've been around the block for a while.

00:57:11.100 Top five bodybuilders, in your opinion, of all time.

00:57:13.760 Rank them in top five.

00:57:14.740 I'm sure you've talked about this many times because it's your world.

00:57:17.460 Top five.

00:57:18.340 You can't put yourself in there.

00:57:19.760 I can't put myself in there.

00:57:20.920 Oh, Ronnie's one.

00:57:25.820 Ronnie's first.

00:57:27.600 Ronnie in any air.

00:57:28.840 Smoke anybody in any air.

00:57:30.920 Okay.

00:57:31.260 So, let's get that out of the way now.

00:57:32.380 Okay.

00:57:32.640 Okay.

00:57:33.140 Okay.

00:57:35.700 Two is, I mean, I'm not, this is, this is not in any particular order.

00:57:40.760 This is just my top five.

00:57:41.980 Well, your first is first.

00:57:43.560 But Ronnie's first, regardless.

00:57:44.740 Okay, I got it.

00:57:45.280 All the guys, you can, you can, you know, you can switch them around.

00:57:48.320 Okay.

00:57:49.200 But I would have to say, um,

00:57:55.700 Phil.

00:57:58.140 Phil is top five all day.

00:57:59.480 Um, that's two, three, um, flex, that's three, four, man, it's hard.

00:58:25.200 Um, you know, fourth and fifth.

00:58:36.240 I would have to go with Kevin.

00:58:38.620 Kevin LeVron, you, you put top five.

00:58:40.860 I put Kevin top five.

00:58:42.000 Kevin all the time.

00:58:43.060 Best physique.

00:58:43.920 Best physique.

00:58:44.680 I could put him in the top five.

00:58:48.300 You got one more.

00:58:50.360 My name's left.

00:58:51.680 I'm curious.

00:58:52.340 Coming from a multi-generational guy here.

00:59:05.060 I would say, had he applied himself in the gym,

00:59:14.880 the same as he did outside the gym,

00:59:16.820 or if he applied himself, his work ethic was,

00:59:21.360 if his work ethic was great,

00:59:22.760 if his, everything was on point and he did what he's supposed to do,

00:59:27.180 I would say Chris Cormier.

00:59:28.820 Well, he's your mentor.

00:59:29.880 He's your friend.

00:59:30.400 So I know you, you, when you, you, you, you're saying Chris Cormier.

00:59:32.900 I'm not saying Chris, I'm not saying that because of that.

00:59:36.340 I'm saying that because it's a fact.

00:59:38.620 You'd put the real deal as a top five.

00:59:43.160 If, if he, if he applied himself the way, if, if, if he applied himself the way I do myself,

00:59:49.980 and, and we seen the full potential out of Chris, yeah,

00:59:52.380 I feel that Chris is better than Flex.

00:59:54.440 If Chris stayed out the streets and stopped fooling around with everybody

00:59:59.900 and did what he's supposed to do, yeah, of course.

01:00:03.420 Chris, Chris was bad, bro.

01:00:04.660 Chris Cormier, you put in top five.

01:00:09.320 Yeah.

01:00:10.380 Now that's, so you, so you, a few names, just for full disclosure, you've left out.

01:00:14.480 You've left out Arnold.

01:00:15.820 You've left out Sergio.

01:00:17.540 You've left out Dorian.

01:00:20.160 You've left out Haney.

01:00:21.600 You've left out Cutler, some names here.

01:00:23.740 And you're still sticking to your five.

01:00:25.260 Well, I, well, I didn't think you meant all of those guys.

01:00:28.920 Like, I mean.

01:00:29.840 I'm talking everybody.

01:00:31.120 Okay.

01:00:31.600 Well, that's, that's a different perspective.

01:00:33.400 Like, let's, let's, let's do a whole nother top five.

01:00:35.980 Okay, great.

01:00:36.660 So you, so for full disclosure, to be fair, when everybody's watching,

01:00:40.500 you're giving your era people you've competed against.

01:00:43.060 Yeah.

01:00:43.440 Fair enough.

01:00:44.020 Now give me stuff all time.

01:00:45.900 All time.

01:00:46.620 All time.

01:00:47.040 Okay.

01:00:47.820 Still, Ronnie's going to be in that all time.

01:00:49.760 Ronnie's still number one for you all time.

01:00:51.380 All time.

01:00:51.980 Yes.

01:00:52.700 When you talk about on stage competing against him.

01:00:55.360 Yes.

01:00:56.580 What did he look like when you're on stage with him?

01:00:58.320 A monster.

01:00:59.800 Was it, was it the word unbelievable?

01:01:01.420 Like, it's unbelievable.

01:01:02.340 Listen, when Ronnie dropped them clothes backstage, everybody's mouth dropped.

01:01:06.240 Jay Cutler.

01:01:07.360 Everybody.

01:01:09.480 What was it about his physique?

01:01:11.500 It's freaking huge.

01:01:12.940 It's shredded, bro.

01:01:16.880 That, that is, that, that's the most, that's, he's a, he's by far the most dominant bodybuilder

01:01:24.480 in history.

01:01:26.140 By far.

01:01:27.020 Who's the closest guy you made that look like that?

01:01:29.020 Ronnie.

01:01:31.060 He's closest to the Incredible Hulk, bro.

01:01:34.240 Okay.

01:01:34.600 So we got Ronnie at the top.

01:01:35.700 Ronnie's the GOAT.

01:01:36.500 Let's just put him at his own, league of his own.

01:01:38.320 Ronnie's the, I don't know about the GOAT, but Ronnie is the most dominant bodybuilder of

01:01:45.800 all times.

01:01:46.660 First place.

01:01:47.900 Right.

01:01:48.640 Next.

01:01:49.680 Arnold, of course.

01:01:50.660 Okay.

01:01:56.220 Let's see.

01:01:57.520 Phil.

01:01:58.720 Top five.

01:01:59.680 Top five.

01:02:00.720 Respect.

01:02:00.900 Next, let's see, Sergio, Sergio and his time, I felt could beat Arnold.

01:02:15.800 He was amazing.

01:02:18.640 What number we have?

01:02:19.600 How many we got?

01:02:20.160 Four.

01:02:20.380 You got one more.

01:02:21.100 One more.

01:02:21.240 So you got Ronnie, Arnold, Phil, Sergio.

01:02:23.320 Ronny, Sergio, Phil.

01:02:41.300 Arnold.

01:02:41.900 Arnold.

01:02:44.040 Top five.

01:02:44.760 Okay, I can't, my mind is blank right now.

01:02:53.740 I can't remember.

01:02:54.940 So you got Flex, Kevin, Cormier, Haney, Jay.

01:03:00.680 Who would you put as a five?

01:03:01.640 Leheny.

01:03:02.240 Leheny's five.

01:03:03.040 Okay.

01:03:03.580 All right.

01:03:05.100 Leheny's five.

01:03:06.500 So Ronnie first, and you got Arnold, Phil, Sergio, Leheny.

01:03:10.300 Well, that's not in no particular order.

01:03:12.200 Ronnie's just first.

01:03:13.300 But Ronnie's first.

01:03:13.920 The other second, third, fourth, and fifth.

01:03:15.840 You can switch them all around.

01:03:19.220 But Ronnie's one.

01:03:24.780 What you saying?

01:03:25.660 What you think?

01:03:26.120 Somebody could beat Ronnie?

01:03:27.820 No.

01:03:28.280 At his best?

01:03:29.300 You know.

01:03:29.960 Okay, well, you're looking like.

01:03:31.440 Did you hear what Ronnie said about Arnold?

01:03:33.340 Did you hear what Ronnie said about Arnold or no?

01:03:35.020 What'd he say?

01:03:35.740 He said, he said, I showed him a picture of Arnold.

01:03:38.840 He says, look at that chest.

01:03:40.220 He says, if Arnold was competing in my era with access to the things that we

01:03:43.880 had, I couldn't beat him.

01:03:46.400 Ronnie's just being modest.

01:03:47.680 You think he's just being modest about himself?

01:03:49.340 Yeah.

01:03:50.100 So, see, Arnold's six.

01:03:52.020 Arnold's like six.

01:03:53.680 Arnold's tall as hell, for one.

01:03:55.920 So, it would be very hard to feel his legs out, to look like Ronnie.

01:03:58.940 Ronnie's legs was insane.

01:04:00.820 Just by putting them next to each other.

01:04:04.820 Ronnie had his best when Ronnie had that small waist.

01:04:07.420 Just look at some pictures, man.

01:04:08.580 I want to get your insight on these pictures, man, because.

01:04:11.540 Now, don't get me.

01:04:12.460 Don't get it twisted.

01:04:13.320 Arnold was amazing.

01:04:14.440 Yeah.

01:04:15.580 Ronnie was saying.

01:04:16.320 I showed him this picture.

01:04:17.200 I said, Ronnie, what do you think about this?

01:04:19.200 Ronnie said, just look at his chest.

01:04:20.980 That's how he was comparing himself.

01:04:22.840 But you were saying six, two and a half to feel the legs is mathematically impossible to go up.

01:04:26.440 Because somebody got a big chest on me, and they, I mean, what is that supposed to mean?

01:04:30.760 There's a lot of, Marcus Ruhek, one of the biggest chests in the world.

01:04:33.640 Yeah.

01:04:34.880 You know?

01:04:36.400 Did he ever place top five?

01:04:37.380 Well, you got that overall.

01:04:38.600 He didn't, now, if he would have said that about, look at his legs, look at his, you know, hamstrings and glutes.

01:04:45.180 He ain't say none of that.

01:04:46.180 He just said his chest.

01:04:47.020 Chest.

01:04:47.980 See, when you look at Ronnie, you're going to say that about everything.

01:04:51.400 He was complete.

01:04:53.400 You know what I'm saying?

01:04:54.080 And not to say that Arnold wasn't complete, but his legs were a little down versus his upper body.

01:05:00.220 You know, there's a reason why everybody likes you, okay?

01:05:04.520 Is, here's a guy that's won more Arnold classics than anybody else, and you're still not being diplomatic.

01:05:10.080 You're still giving your answer to say, here's how I feel about this.

01:05:13.280 That's right.

01:05:13.660 No wonder the guys feel the way they do about you.

01:05:15.700 So let's look at some of your pictures here, man.

01:05:17.340 Why don't we look at the most important type of pictures here, okay?

01:05:21.520 When you see yourself in some of these pics, I'll show them to you.

01:05:25.060 What do you think about when you see this guy?

01:05:28.500 He's swole.

01:05:29.800 He's swole.

01:05:33.920 How about this, Sarah?

01:05:34.860 When was this?

01:05:37.640 I don't know when that was.

01:05:40.200 So you're not a guy that sits there and knows.

01:05:41.680 So you can quote, like, oh, that was in 2009, September.

01:05:45.340 You know, I'm the type of dude, when I look at my own pictures, it's like.

01:05:50.860 Doesn't do anything.

01:05:51.640 They don't do nothing for me.

01:05:52.700 Got it.

01:05:52.980 You got to see me next to somebody.

01:05:55.080 I got to see you next to somebody.

01:05:56.320 You got to see me next to people, yeah.

01:05:58.860 So why don't I show you next to somebody, somebody that you're going to like this one.

01:06:05.200 How about this guy next to somebody?

01:06:06.960 How do you like this guy?

01:06:09.840 It's crazy.

01:06:10.340 Who were you here, by the way?

01:06:12.400 That was the young Dexter Jackson.

01:06:14.840 How was he like?

01:06:17.280 Trying to get girls back then. 0.98

01:06:19.000 Non-stop.

01:06:20.680 Is that what it was?

01:06:21.560 Is that priority?

01:06:22.300 I was a little ugly little dude back then, man.

01:06:24.080 And when I started getting a little body like this, and I seen all those girls screaming, 0.99

01:06:27.980 hey, I wanted the girls, too.

01:06:29.200 So that's all I wanted and thought about back then is trying to get a girlfriend.

01:06:34.200 Is that a big part of the life of a bodybuilder?

01:06:38.400 Is that what it is?

01:06:39.140 A lot of play, a lot of girls, a lot of party?

01:06:41.240 No, no, no, no, no.

01:06:42.500 That's the beginning of my career.

01:06:44.400 That's not now.

01:06:46.500 No, not right now.

01:06:47.440 But I'm talking about 25, 30, 35.

01:06:49.700 Is that still where the reaction you're getting is non-stop?

01:06:53.720 Of course you get that.

01:06:55.540 Of course.

01:06:56.160 You know, you get all these girls out there that's like people, you know, that says, 1.00

01:07:00.800 oh, that's gross, but behind closed doors, they want to see what the muscles feel like.

01:07:07.880 Behind closed doors.

01:07:09.120 Yeah.

01:07:09.500 So why don't we do this?

01:07:10.400 Let me show this comparison.

01:07:11.960 I mean, obviously, you know which is which.

01:07:15.040 How do you view these two when you look at them?

01:07:19.000 Your eyes.

01:07:20.620 Different than our eyes.

01:07:21.520 Of course.

01:07:22.000 That's when I won Olympia, so.

01:07:23.380 What do you see when you see these?

01:07:26.840 Not much of a difference.

01:07:28.260 Not much of a difference.

01:07:30.900 Maybe, you know, maybe a little down from here because I'm older and it's hard to have the

01:07:41.480 same fullness and muscle, muscle bellies.

01:07:44.620 But I have to do a lot of work versus back then.

01:07:49.520 You know, I could eat four meals and look like that.

01:07:51.600 I had to carve up.

01:07:53.040 I had to eat ten meals.

01:07:55.820 Ten fucking meals to keep my fullness because it's crazy.

01:08:02.320 I'm older, but my metabolism is even more crazy.

01:08:05.760 Because you're eating that many meals.

01:08:07.580 I had to.

01:08:08.300 I would have really been flat.

01:08:10.920 Back then, I didn't have to do that.

01:08:12.820 And I stayed full.

01:08:16.440 So it's about making adjustments.

01:08:18.280 You've got to know your body.

01:08:20.700 You know, most people will try to do all of them.

01:08:22.120 I'm going to do the same thing I did back when I did this, when I won this show.

01:08:25.560 You can't work that way.

01:08:26.560 You've got to know how to make the adjustments.

01:08:28.400 You've got to know when you're flat, when you need to add more food, when you need to

01:08:32.140 stop cardio.

01:08:33.040 You've got to know how to do all of that stuff.

01:08:34.580 That's what I've mastered over the years.

01:08:36.220 That's why I've lasted so long.

01:08:38.720 So what is it like eating ten meals a day?

01:08:40.340 I mean, that's got to be crazy to eat ten meals a day.

01:08:42.080 To be honest with you, for the very first time, I had to do that.

01:08:46.960 I ate every two hours.

01:08:48.180 I started at about six o'clock in the morning, seven o'clock in the morning.

01:08:51.160 Every two hours, I ate.

01:08:52.460 Yeah.

01:08:52.640 And I actually was getting hungry from meal to meal.

01:08:57.940 So it was...

01:08:59.100 Wait, you're getting hungry, meal to meal?

01:09:00.220 I was getting hungry from meal to meal.

01:09:01.720 Now, what is a meal?

01:09:02.580 Define a meal.

01:09:03.620 A meal is one and a half cup of rice with, you know, six ounces of meat.

01:09:09.480 So you eat six ounces of meat type?

01:09:13.960 Well, when I was carving up, then it was probably four ounces.

01:09:18.020 So I was eating four ounces of meat with one and a half cup of rice every meal for ten meals.

01:09:23.500 Ten meals?

01:09:24.640 Yeah.

01:09:25.040 How many times are you going to the bathroom?

01:09:27.000 I was going pretty regularly.

01:09:28.660 Regularly, like two, three times a day?

01:09:30.120 You have to.

01:09:30.820 You have no choice because you're eating so much.

01:09:32.200 Right.

01:09:32.600 Any side effects of eating that much?

01:09:34.140 Like, do you have headaches?

01:09:34.960 Are you heavier?

01:09:35.760 Are you sleeping?

01:09:37.020 You know, is it tougher to sleep or no?

01:09:38.680 No.

01:09:40.480 Because my body was...

01:09:41.720 Because of the great digestive enzymes I was telling you about.

01:09:46.480 Mm, the secret sauce.

01:09:48.480 Secret sauce.

01:09:49.460 The secret sauce.

01:09:50.680 Yes.

01:09:51.480 That's what it was.

01:09:52.120 Put it this way.

01:09:52.920 They're so good when...

01:09:56.160 Versus, you know, these, the ones that I take versus the ones that you get out of the store.

01:10:00.560 The ones that you get out of the store, you got to take every meal.

01:10:03.560 You take one a day of these.

01:10:04.960 That's it.

01:10:05.360 The one you got?

01:10:06.120 One.

01:10:07.440 Those are the ones you were telling me that you're going to tell everybody about and we're

01:10:10.160 going to sell it for $200 a pop?

01:10:11.500 No, I ain't say we're going to sell it, but I'm going to tell it.

01:10:13.600 I ain't say we're going to sell it.

01:10:18.880 Oh, my gosh.

01:10:20.520 If there ever was a good plug in one of these bodybuildings, you had it right now.

01:10:25.200 If you get sponsorship from these guys and put it in, you're going to get thousands of

01:10:28.680 people clicking on it.

01:10:29.500 Absolutely.

01:10:29.820 Okay.

01:10:30.480 All right.

01:10:30.840 Sounds good.

01:10:31.340 So next, evolution of diet.

01:10:33.220 Anything we can learn from.

01:10:34.640 For all your years of competing, anything that, not even a professional bodybuilder.

01:10:39.140 When you're looking at somebody that wants to build up muscle, you hear all this stuff

01:10:41.580 about one gram of protein per weight.

01:10:43.940 What things were stuff that they talked about 20 years ago that doesn't apply today because

01:10:48.360 of how much more smarter and wiser the industry's gotten?

01:10:52.240 Any major misconceptions with diet?

01:10:57.060 Everything is pretty much around the same.

01:10:58.720 You got different supplements these days, of course, that you didn't have back then.

01:11:01.740 But the main thing is being consistent with what you're eating.

01:11:06.160 That's number one.

01:11:06.980 You know, you have people that, you know, get on a diet and they don't see any results,

01:11:14.360 but they're missing, skipping two meals a day, then you're not following the full program.

01:11:19.260 So being consistent with eating all your food when you're supposed to do it, on time, every day, it's very important.

01:11:26.780 And I live by that.

01:11:29.040 You talked about Arnold earlier.

01:11:30.460 Obviously, you wanted more than anybody else.

01:11:32.140 What's your most unique story you got with Arnold?

01:11:33.900 My most unique story, my most unique story I got with Arnold?

01:11:42.020 Any Arnold or with Arnold himself?

01:11:44.200 Himself.

01:11:45.020 Himself.

01:11:45.280 I don't have, you know, other than him actually interviewing me on stage, you know, it's not like I've ever hung out with him.

01:11:55.140 I've never hung out with him before.

01:11:56.780 No Arnold stories?

01:11:57.740 No Arnold stories.

01:11:58.420 Okay.

01:11:59.760 On stage, backstage, any animosity, any fights, any, you know, in between, any of that stuff taking place with you or no?

01:12:12.060 You don't have that story.

01:12:12.880 You're a pretty easy going guy.

01:12:14.560 You're the chill guy.

01:12:15.680 You know, no controversy with you.

01:12:17.660 Yeah, no controversy with me unless you cross me.

01:12:20.520 Anybody ever crossed you or no?

01:12:21.860 No.

01:12:22.320 Because I don't put myself in those predicament, you know, in those situations.

01:12:26.320 So that's why I'm cool with everybody.

01:12:28.820 You know, when there's tension, I try and, you know, be the clown back there to make everybody laugh.

01:12:34.220 You know what I'm saying?

01:12:35.700 Where did that come from?

01:12:36.840 Is that just your personality?

01:12:37.820 That's just me, you know.

01:12:39.820 But one thing I am, I'm a straight shooter.

01:12:42.280 If you don't want to be told the truth, I'm very, I have no filter, and I'm going to tell you straight up what's wrong and what's not wrong.

01:12:50.880 Period.

01:12:51.580 You're November 29th.

01:12:52.720 Is it 29th?

01:12:53.580 25th.

01:12:54.180 25th.

01:12:54.740 Who's your best friend in bodybuilding?

01:12:56.320 My best friend in bodybuilding.

01:12:57.540 Best friend in bodybuilding.

01:12:58.340 Somebody you talk to every week.

01:12:59.500 Stan Curly-Top McCrary.

01:13:02.020 Stan.

01:13:02.600 Yeah.

01:13:04.160 Everybody knows Stan.

01:13:05.120 Yeah, of course.

01:13:05.920 You know Stan too?

01:13:07.000 Of course, yeah.

01:13:07.920 You know, he, no, I don't know him.

01:13:10.660 I know of him.

01:13:11.500 I know, like, who he was.

01:13:13.060 You can't say nothing bad about me and about him.

01:13:15.380 That's what everybody says.

01:13:16.560 That's what everybody says.

01:13:18.100 So, okay, today in bodybuilding, is there money to be made in bodybuilding today the way it is?

01:13:22.140 Um, yes.

01:13:25.760 Millions?

01:13:26.120 But, yes.

01:13:28.920 If you, if, but you've got to know how to go about doing it.

01:13:33.320 It's not as easy as it used to be when, when Phil and I was coming up, you know, or Flex and all of us were coming up.

01:13:40.320 But, um, the social media has destroyed the game when it comes to that easy money.

01:13:45.380 So, now you've got to use your platform.

01:13:46.980 You've got to build your platform to be able to make money.

01:13:51.260 And, you know, a lot of people do a lot of training.

01:13:54.280 You know, I've got my own team as well.

01:13:56.240 You can, you know, be, you know, you can make, you can make a good amount of money off of different little things.

01:14:02.660 What's a good amount of money?

01:14:04.400 Um.

01:14:05.220 Netting six figures?

01:14:07.080 Yeah.

01:14:07.960 Netting six figures.

01:14:08.800 This is after your, what you're eating, what you're putting in your body, travel.

01:14:12.900 You can still keep six figures per year.

01:14:14.680 Of course.

01:14:15.160 As a bodybuilder.

01:14:15.880 Of course.

01:14:16.780 In the high six.

01:14:17.980 In high six figures.

01:14:19.100 Yeah.

01:14:19.580 Where you have to be top five or you can be a top ten and still do it.

01:14:22.180 You can be a top ten and still do it.

01:14:23.800 Top ten and still make high six figures.

01:14:25.660 If you know what you're doing.

01:14:27.360 See, I'm very, very hard.

01:14:29.520 I'm like this.

01:14:30.720 If you can't afford to pay me what I'm worth, then I don't need it.

01:14:36.120 When you start getting these guys out here that start taking deals that ain't worth taking.

01:14:43.020 Yeah.

01:14:44.340 Then you have the guy that's paying this guy say, well, such and such did it for this, Dexter.

01:14:51.000 I'm like, well, I'm not him.

01:14:53.040 But then you get all these other guys that's still taking it for what he's getting it for.

01:14:56.820 And that's why the sport is not growing when it comes to us making money.

01:15:02.120 You know what I'm saying?

01:15:03.100 I've always said, you know, I wouldn't take less than $500,000 from a supplement deal because I feel that I'm lowering the standards of the sport when it comes to us guys making money from contracts from supplement deals or something.

01:15:20.660 So I would never take a deal, anything less than that, you know, and I would say, but I'm blessed and fortunate enough to say, you know what?

01:15:30.960 I don't need that deal.

01:15:32.320 I'm going to compete every show and win my money, which I was able to do.

01:15:35.780 And I didn't need a contract or nothing.

01:15:37.980 You didn't need a contract.

01:15:38.940 I didn't need a contract because I won all the shows.

01:15:41.100 You never got a contract.

01:15:41.780 No, no, I'm saying, no, I had contracts, but when, like, say, for instance, when muscle tech, when muscle tech comes, I said, OK, I had other companies, supplement companies coming with deals.

01:15:52.600 No, I'm worth more than that.

01:15:55.000 You can't pay me what I was getting over here.

01:15:56.820 I don't need it.

01:15:57.880 So I started winning all the shows.

01:15:59.960 That's how I made all my money.

01:16:01.500 But I was fortunate to be able to do that.

01:16:03.320 I was blessed to be able to do that.

01:16:05.020 Everybody can't do that.

01:16:05.840 That's what I'm saying.

01:16:06.520 They're going to go and take that money. 0.73

01:16:08.680 You see what I'm saying?

01:16:09.580 Got it.

01:16:09.900 But me, I would never, you know, I would never take something that I'm not worth.

01:16:19.580 It has to be my worth because I feel that I'm letting this, you know, I'm dropping the standards of the sport.

01:16:25.840 So I've never done that.

01:16:27.420 Post-retirement, are you planning on doing whatever you do with your businesses within the industry, like supplements, things that are within the field?

01:16:32.900 Yeah, I definitely got my own supplement and I'm getting ready to launch.

01:16:35.420 It's the Dexter Jackson signature series.

01:16:36.880 So I'm getting ready to launch that and a few other things.

01:16:41.440 I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag.

01:16:42.180 Are you going to have that probiotic part of your Dexter Jackson or no?

01:16:47.980 I'm working on multiple things.

01:16:50.300 All I'm saying is if you are doing something with that, because if it's that effective, let me tell you, that's a good way to position yourself.

01:16:57.480 I'm working on multiple things.

01:16:59.100 That's good.

01:16:59.480 You know what, I'll go ahead and let the cat out of the bag.

01:17:03.100 I'm going to tell you exactly what these pills do for you.

01:17:06.780 You know, not only are they digestive enzymes and they're probiotics, but they shrink their large or small intestines.

01:17:16.060 So all these people, they've got these bubble guts mainly because of their intestines.

01:17:23.860 Are you wanting to get hundreds of text messages after this video comes out with calls?

01:17:31.080 If that's what you're trying to do.

01:17:32.980 No, I'm not.

01:17:33.700 I'm not going to take any calls and no messages, nothing like that, because I ain't telling nobody nothing until I retire anyway.

01:17:40.160 Well, that's five years from now.

01:17:41.680 So if it's, you know what I'm saying, because based on what we just talked about today, it ain't going away anytime soon.

01:17:47.840 Okay, speed run.

01:17:48.780 I'm going to give you a name.

01:17:49.520 Tell me the first thing that comes to your mind.

01:17:50.960 All right.

01:17:51.220 Okay.

01:17:51.640 Doreen Yates.

01:17:55.260 Graney.

01:17:56.420 Graney.

01:17:56.860 Ronnie Coleman.

01:17:58.500 The greatest.

01:18:00.440 Kevin LeBron.

01:18:03.720 I don't know.

01:18:05.620 You don't know what Kevin LeBron?

01:18:09.060 I don't know a word to say.

01:18:10.500 Okay, I got it.

01:18:11.100 That's what I'm saying.

01:18:11.700 You had him in your top five earlier.

01:18:13.160 Yeah, I did.

01:18:13.560 I know you got respect.

01:18:17.320 He's one of the greatest.

01:18:24.580 Okay.

01:18:25.140 Brandon Curry.

01:18:26.560 Brandon Curry, amazing guy.

01:18:30.400 Wayne D'Amelio.

01:18:32.680 He cool with me.

01:18:34.180 He cool with me.

01:18:35.960 David Petty.

01:18:37.700 Don't know him well.

01:18:39.140 Jim Mannion.

01:18:40.760 The Godfather.

01:18:42.860 Sean Roden.

01:18:44.020 Sean Roden, very good friend.

01:18:47.020 Bonek.

01:18:48.420 Very good guy as well.

01:18:50.320 Dan Sullivan.

01:18:51.740 I've known Dan for many years, and he's like a brother to me.

01:18:55.860 Big Rami. 0.54

01:18:57.720 Gentle Giant.

01:19:00.100 Arnold.

01:19:03.040 Man, what can I say?

01:19:06.560 He's like Micah Jordan of the sport of bodybuilding.

01:19:10.460 Charles Glass.

01:19:12.260 The greatest trainer in here ever.

01:19:13.820 Chad Nichols.

01:19:16.940 Chad.

01:19:22.100 Chad has always been good to me, so he's a good guy.

01:19:25.520 Phil Heath.

01:19:26.680 Phil.

01:19:29.700 Amazing person.

01:19:31.980 Cormier.

01:19:34.360 That's big bro.

01:19:36.700 Jay Cutler.

01:19:37.500 Keep it real.

01:19:40.880 Flex Wheeler.

01:19:42.880 Flex.

01:19:45.780 He's got the best, I would say, probably the best symmetry in the sport of bodybuilding history.

01:19:52.740 Kai Greene.

01:19:55.820 Kai.

01:19:56.620 He's weird, but such an amazing dude.

01:19:59.840 It's actually a compliment right there, to call somebody weird, but amazing dude.

01:20:05.280 Yeah.

01:20:05.660 I mean, he is.

01:20:06.560 I mean, he draws and shit.

01:20:08.660 He seems like a personality.

01:20:13.560 I love that guy.

01:20:16.480 I love Kai.

01:20:17.140 He's a good guy.

01:20:17.900 Sean Wright.

01:20:19.500 Sean.

01:20:20.700 Sean.

01:20:27.500 Controversial.

01:20:28.880 And he's comfortable being there.

01:20:30.460 Yes, he is.

01:20:31.880 Athleticon.

01:20:32.200 It's going to be huge.

01:20:39.560 It's going to be huge.

01:20:40.560 And I don't know if you know or not, there's a little rumor.

01:20:43.680 Rumor has it that if you haven't heard this already, there's this guy that the bodybuilding

01:20:49.040 world follows tremendously, and he's loved by many.

01:20:53.620 Rumor has it he may consider competing.

01:20:55.760 His name is Dexter Jackson.

01:20:56.820 It's just a rumor.

01:20:57.480 I just want to tell you.

01:20:58.660 Rumor has it he may.

01:21:01.440 Hey, so if it happens, you got me.

01:21:04.120 If it happens.

01:21:07.380 You heard it.

01:21:08.260 You heard it.

01:21:09.120 First.

01:21:10.260 Rumor has it the man, the myth, the legend may consider this, but Dexter, I got to tell

01:21:17.540 you, man, I had a blast with you.

01:21:18.720 Really.

01:21:19.200 I had a blast with you.

01:21:20.220 Thank you.

01:21:20.600 I'm, you know, again, I'm not in the world.

01:21:23.400 Every time the guys come, it's always interesting for me to get to know the personalities, but

01:21:27.900 everything I heard from everybody, you're exactly what everybody said about you.

01:21:31.680 Oh, really?

01:21:32.360 That's awesome.

01:21:32.660 Everything was respect.

01:21:34.220 When I tell you everything, everything was respect.

01:21:36.720 There was no angle with nothing.

01:21:38.780 All your peers, competitors, everyone that I'm in contact with, you know the names, everyone

01:21:42.960 gave you love.

01:21:44.080 And it's very obvious.

01:21:45.140 Oh, that's awesome.

01:21:45.720 To have this kind of respect for you, because at the end of the day, when you compete at

01:21:48.300 the level of you do for this many years, there is nothing more exciting than to have the

01:21:54.640 people you competed against have this kind of respect for you, and these are some people

01:21:58.920 that you went hardcore with, and they still respect you the way they do.

01:22:02.320 So, from me to you, I respect you for coming out, being a guest.

01:22:05.460 I had a blast with you.

01:22:06.760 I'm looking forward to seeing what crazy things you're going to be doing.

01:22:09.760 I know you've got to go to Australia.

01:22:11.220 I know you've got to prepare for Mr. Olympia and possibly Athleticon, but the future looks

01:22:18.380 bright.

01:22:18.800 Brother, thank you so much for coming out, man.

01:22:20.540 Thank you.

01:22:20.780 Really enjoyed it.

01:22:21.620 Really enjoyed it.

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Valuetainment - April 17, 2020

Episode 456： Dexter Jackson Opens Up About His Future

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