Valuetainment - Episode 459： Carlos Mencia Heated Interview with Patrick Bet-David

00:00:00.000 This is Patrick Bedevi, your host of Value Tim, and today I have with me Carlos Mencia,

00:00:25.540 the comedian, yes, the Carlos Mencia, who had a big run in comedy until he had a challenge

00:00:32.240 with Joe Rogan.

00:00:33.020 We're going to get into it today, and let me just tell you, it gets heated a little bit,

00:00:36.660 but it's got a good ending to it.

00:00:37.960 Carlos, thanks for coming out.

00:00:38.820 Always, dude, always, always.

00:00:39.980 So how are things, man?

00:00:40.740 How are you doing?

00:00:41.440 I'm good.

00:00:41.880 I'm good.

00:00:42.580 A lot of therapy.

00:00:43.660 A lot of, no, seriously.

00:00:44.980 Is it helping?

00:00:46.000 Yeah, big time.

00:00:46.760 Big time.

00:00:47.380 Big time.

00:00:48.020 It's, you know, people, sometimes you're not ready for success and what comes with it.

00:00:54.580 I wasn't, in the sense that when I grew up in the hood, and in the hood, it's the opposite.

00:01:01.460 In the hood, everybody makes fun of you for doing something that's outside the box, but

00:01:05.820 once you achieve some kind of success, everybody's supportive of you.

00:01:10.880 You know what I mean?

00:01:11.640 It's like I'm looking at Tupac, and he has a song, I love the hood, it's all good when

00:01:15.540 I go back.

00:01:16.700 That's how I felt.

00:01:17.580 So I wasn't ready for the level of hate, for the level of animosity, for the level

00:01:24.080 of jealousy, for all of it.

00:01:26.460 You know what I mean?

00:01:27.020 It just wasn't, it wasn't a part of my upbringing, wasn't a part, I'm one of 18 kids, so for

00:01:33.920 me, sharing was such a big part of it.

00:01:37.540 You know, I helped out so many comedians, that I just didn't, I didn't see any of that

00:01:46.040 stuff coming.

00:01:47.060 I mean, like the Joe Rogan thing.

00:01:48.260 Here's a guy who accused me of stealing jokes, but not his.

00:01:53.180 So that's never happened before in comedy, right?

00:01:55.600 It's never happened where, normally it's like, hey man, you did my joke.

00:01:59.080 It's not, hey man, you do somebody's joke.

00:02:02.640 That just doesn't happen in our business.

00:02:05.600 It doesn't work that way.

00:02:06.320 So what do you mean by that?

00:02:07.260 So how do you interpret that?

00:02:08.720 Like if you're a comedian, and you think I did something, or I think you did something,

00:02:13.880 then we approach each other.

00:02:15.120 Okay.

00:02:15.820 But it's never, it had never been the case where somebody was accusing me that it had

00:02:22.580 nothing to do with him.

00:02:23.760 Well Carlos, I mean, I understand you were saying that, but to get a lightweight comedian

00:02:28.600 to call you out on stealing his jokes.

00:02:31.460 But it wasn't his jokes, that's my point.

00:02:32.840 I get that, but what I'm saying to you is he was, to me, the way I see, like the

00:02:36.260 way I interpret what Joe did, is the idea of, you know, you're in school.

00:02:42.380 You got a guy that's being bullied by another guy, hypothetically.

00:02:45.220 Okay?

00:02:45.540 That guy cannot stand up to the bully because he controls the market.

00:02:48.680 He was the bully.

00:02:49.400 I wasn't the bully.

00:02:50.120 No, no, no.

00:02:50.620 Hear me out.

00:02:51.120 Let me interpret and you see where I'm going with this.

00:02:52.500 Okay.

00:02:53.240 So, look, you have to, the one thing we have to say, you're a very talented guy.

00:02:57.300 Everyone knows you're very talented.

00:02:58.800 There is no disputing that.

00:02:59.920 Everybody knows when you're up there in your storytelling style, it's just your timing.

00:03:04.960 You know, when you talk to comedians, I've had Kevin Hart on, I've had some other people

00:03:08.260 on.

00:03:08.480 Yeah.

00:03:08.760 It's all about timing.

00:03:09.780 You can't teach that.

00:03:10.920 Like, you know, the timing aspect of hitting it, going through.

00:03:14.220 To tell a joke, yeah.

00:03:15.060 Yeah.

00:03:15.340 You got some of that stuff going on.

00:03:16.640 But what I'm saying is when you said things changed until Rogan came and called you out

00:03:23.080 on stealing other people's jokes, the point I was trying to make was a following.

00:03:26.420 In high school, I'm the big guy.

00:03:28.040 Yeah.

00:03:28.280 I'm 6'5", 240.

00:03:29.620 Right.

00:03:29.920 I'm in the army.

00:03:30.840 Right.

00:03:31.340 And I don't need to fight.

00:03:32.820 Like, there's not a, I don't need to go out there and fight anybody.

00:03:36.500 People don't want to fight me.

00:03:37.560 Right.

00:03:37.720 I don't fight for myself, but I would fight for private Rudy at our unit who is being bullied.

00:03:44.640 And, you know, if a guy's being picked on and he's afraid of the bully, then I would

00:03:49.860 come in to defend him to say, hey, what are you doing messing with Rudy?

00:03:53.080 Come and mess with me.

00:03:53.840 So that's how I interpreted what Rogan was doing to defend the other guys that were afraid

00:03:57.940 of calling you out.

00:03:59.580 Yeah, but there was no fear.

00:04:01.000 I didn't have any power.

00:04:02.720 I didn't.

00:04:03.020 What could I do?

00:04:04.040 Carlos.

00:04:04.500 I didn't.

00:04:05.240 Come on.

00:04:06.400 No.

00:04:07.040 Dude.

00:04:07.720 What power did I have?

00:04:08.560 What do you mean you don't have any power?

00:04:09.780 Did not have any power.

00:04:10.640 I mean, you're getting right into it.

00:04:11.920 Of course you have power.

00:04:13.160 To do what?

00:04:13.940 Dude, I can tell you easily what you could do with your power.

00:04:16.100 To do what?

00:04:16.740 Okay, let me explain.

00:04:17.760 So, okay.

00:04:18.660 So all the comedy clubs are owned by five guys, right?

00:04:21.820 Pretty much.

00:04:22.120 Pretty much.

00:04:22.300 I mean, okay, is it fair to say that?

00:04:23.700 Pretty much.

00:04:24.080 Okay.

00:04:24.500 Yeah.

00:04:24.780 So it's very similar to banking.

00:04:31.000 Okay?

00:04:31.240 If I want to buy a house, nowadays, you're really getting a loan from five different banks.

00:04:36.200 Maybe 20 years ago, different story.

00:04:37.720 Right.

00:04:38.080 You're going through five different banks today ever since things got nationalized.

00:04:41.060 You know, what happened with, you know, bailing people out.

00:04:43.820 We've got a mixture of B of A, Wells, Chase.

00:04:45.920 You know the names.

00:04:46.580 Everyone knows the names.

00:04:47.940 So if I'm a lightweight and I'm trying to come up, right, and if I say, hey, you know,

00:04:54.460 this guy's stealing my jokes.

00:04:55.680 And if I say to you, you get pissed off, you call one of those owners and say, hey, if

00:05:01.540 that guy performs-

00:05:02.540 No, owners wouldn't do that.

00:05:02.920 Owners wouldn't do that.

00:05:03.780 Owners wouldn't do that.

00:05:04.500 Would not do that.

00:05:05.260 They wouldn't-

00:05:06.060 Would not do that.

00:05:06.660 They wouldn't protect you over.

00:05:07.620 You sell the place out.

00:05:08.840 They're money guys.

00:05:09.880 Nope.

00:05:09.900 Nope.

00:05:10.260 Carlos.

00:05:10.540 They wouldn't do that.

00:05:10.920 They would not do that.

00:05:11.860 They wouldn't.

00:05:12.560 They have standards, man.

00:05:13.840 You think they're going to be the capitalist.

00:05:15.900 I've recorded every single show since 1993.

00:05:18.340 Every single show.

00:05:19.800 Very rare exceptions.

00:05:20.960 Time.

00:05:21.280 I can actually tell you when I wrote a joke for the first time.

00:05:25.140 So whenever I was approached by anybody, I would say, when did you write the joke?

00:05:30.760 I still say that.

00:05:31.780 Tell me when the joke was written.

00:05:33.040 I could literally go check digitally.

00:05:34.560 I've been recording the shows since 93, all right?

00:05:40.540 So, and anytime that's ever happened, all this stuff, it like goes away.

00:05:45.980 Those accusations go away.

00:05:47.960 If it was the way that you portray it to be, and there was a propensity to do it, there

00:05:55.500 would be thousands of jokes, or at least hundreds of jokes on the internet, of stuff that I did.

00:06:01.680 The stuff that I accused of, that Ari Shafir accused me of, he accused me of stealing a

00:06:07.080 joke about the wall, right?

00:06:09.140 We're going to get rid of Mexicans.

00:06:10.360 We're going to build the wall.

00:06:11.240 Who's going to build the wall?

00:06:12.260 That joke was literally told by 10 different comedians on comedy specials.

00:06:16.900 You know who's the only one who stole it?

00:06:19.140 Me.

00:06:20.600 That's just a fact.

00:06:22.060 That's a complete fact.

00:06:23.780 So that was the hard part for me, because when somebody would say, like you, I would say,

00:06:29.720 tell me what joke.

00:06:30.360 Tell me who did it.

00:06:30.980 I'll go check it.

00:06:31.720 And if I did it last, I'll apologize.

00:06:35.840 I'll say I'm sorry.

00:06:37.200 I'll do whatever it takes.

00:06:39.300 That's not how this went down.

00:06:41.880 This was a personal thing.

00:06:44.500 Plus-

00:06:44.940 When you say personal thing, like Joe was a personal thing with you.

00:06:47.340 Sure, of course it was.

00:06:48.440 I mean, go on the internet.

00:06:49.640 If it was about me stealing jokes, then why is it that the fact that my birth name is Ned

00:06:53.920 is an issue?

00:06:55.040 The fact that supposedly I'm German is an issue.

00:06:57.780 The fact that I'm not Mexican is an issue.

00:07:01.060 All these attacks came at me at the same time.

00:07:03.860 So that's what I wasn't ready for.

00:07:06.780 I wasn't prepared for all of this.

00:07:08.620 But your shtick was, you know, the Mexican jokes.

00:07:10.900 Like your shtick was, you know-

00:07:12.720 It's not a shtick.

00:07:13.500 My mom's Mexican.

00:07:14.760 No, I get that.

00:07:15.420 But also the shots you're getting is a part of it that, hey, the name Carlos Mencia is

00:07:18.680 better than a Ned, that's-

00:07:20.720 Ned is a way better name.

00:07:22.580 In our business, we do the opposite.

00:07:25.440 Ned is a better name than Carlos Mencia.

00:07:26.980 In America?

00:07:27.740 Why don't you use Ned?

00:07:29.280 Because when I first started doing stand-up, the owner of the comedy club, Mitzi, she said,

00:07:35.340 you can't be an angry Mexican named Ned.

00:07:37.860 So I said, well, I'm from Honduras.

00:07:40.340 And she said, you can't be an angry Mexican named Ned.

00:07:43.980 And she said, that's what you're- people are going to think you're Mexican.

00:07:47.200 And I said, my mom's Mexican.

00:07:48.620 And she said, well, then you're Mexican.

00:07:50.880 And then she said, but you can't be Ned.

00:07:53.660 And I said, well, I got an uncle named Carlos.

00:07:55.480 And she said, Carlos Mencia.

00:07:57.020 And I have a car tonight by Mitzi Schar, Polly's mom, the owner of the comedy store, 1988.

00:08:03.180 And she changed it.

00:08:04.100 But going back, right, the norm is to change your name from something ethnic to something

00:08:12.420 not ethnic.

00:08:13.920 That's the norm, to go American.

00:08:18.180 So to take actually a name like Ned and then turn it into Carlos, that's the opposite of

00:08:26.540 what anybody was doing.

00:08:27.700 I embraced my heritage as opposed to pushing it away.

00:08:31.920 And even that was, you know, thrown at me as a negative thing.

00:08:37.060 I don't think that's the top, though.

00:08:39.380 It could be one of them, but I don't think that's the main shtick that kind of a-

00:08:42.660 But my point is, is that if it's about joke stealing, what is all this other stuff about

00:08:47.700 is my point.

00:08:48.680 Let me ask you this question, man.

00:08:50.100 Look.

00:08:50.180 I really didn't know.

00:08:51.940 Dude, I'm going to give it from a different point of view.

00:08:54.060 I would like to see some kind of a redemption story come back with you.

00:09:00.060 I'd like to see that.

00:09:01.340 So consider me from a POV of-

00:09:03.480 Oh, no.

00:09:03.840 I don't have any-

00:09:04.700 No, what I'm trying to say-

00:09:05.440 Dude, I did therapy.

00:09:06.580 I told you.

00:09:07.100 Dude, I've been through my suicidal moments, bro.

00:09:09.080 I know.

00:09:09.580 I understand that.

00:09:10.820 But all I'm saying to you is I'm coming from a place of, I'm neutral.

00:09:14.580 I'm not in your world.

00:09:15.320 Oh, I get it.

00:09:15.760 I'm out.

00:09:16.280 So I'm just kind of observing and saying, okay, look, I like good entertainment.

00:09:19.280 Sure.

00:09:19.560 You know, I love Chappelle.

00:09:21.580 You know, he's going out there doing what he's doing.

00:09:22.920 I love Hart.

00:09:24.320 I paid a lot of money to go watch Hart.

00:09:26.440 I bought Hart to perform in front of my guys, and I put insurance executives watching this

00:09:30.100 guy dropping F-bombs left and right.

00:09:31.700 Right.

00:09:31.840 And I loved it, right?

00:09:32.820 Right.

00:09:32.920 Because I think humor is a very important aspect of a country when you're going through

00:09:41.340 a lot of challenges and everyone's divided.

00:09:43.700 We need more John Stewart's.

00:09:45.120 We need more Chappelle's.

00:09:46.240 I agree.

00:09:46.400 We need more Hart's.

00:09:47.060 We need more Rogan's because I think it's bringing some of that.

00:09:50.260 I guess my outcome of the conversation with you is to follow.

00:09:53.240 My outcome would be to see if when you're looking back right now and if you look at the

00:09:59.120 issues, right?

00:10:00.100 Okay.

00:10:00.300 One is the one with Rogan.

00:10:01.820 We're on it.

00:10:02.380 You brought it right off the bat and we're talking.

00:10:03.900 I brought it up and then you kind of went right into it.

00:10:05.980 The Rogan part about stealing.

00:10:07.720 Okay.

00:10:08.420 When I call around and I say, what's the biggest frustration here with him stealing jokes?

00:10:14.460 Let's just say, what's the biggest frustration?

00:10:15.880 Okay.

00:10:16.040 This is what I get.

00:10:16.820 And I'm doing my research before we sit down.

00:10:18.540 What's your biggest frustration?

00:10:20.660 You know, stealing jokes was happening.

00:10:23.540 Okay.

00:10:23.860 So what's your issue with it?

00:10:25.200 Well, you know, a bit is a joke.

00:10:26.880 And when somebody is telling a joke, you know, you have the premise, you have this, you have

00:10:30.180 the tag and when you're going through it and here's what happens.

00:10:32.860 So, you know, why did the chicken cross the street?

00:10:35.500 Well, because of this, but because, you know, here's what, okay, here's what I want.

00:10:38.540 So, but if you say it identically as that and you don't give credit to the writers, that

00:10:43.920 pisses people off.

00:10:44.740 This is why the lightweight writers that don't have the platform that maybe Carlos has, why

00:10:49.140 didn't he give credit to some of these guys?

00:10:50.660 All he had to do is maybe like, what a Jay, what's Jay, how do you say his last name?

00:10:54.720 Is it Jay Moore?

00:10:55.540 Yeah, Jay Moore, right?

00:10:56.640 So you hear stories about, hey, look, I like these writers.

00:10:59.260 I'm paying 500 bucks.

00:11:00.180 They write something for me.

00:11:01.140 I get out and I perform it.

00:11:02.460 Sure.

00:11:02.800 It's normal.

00:11:03.220 It's okay, right?

00:11:04.620 And then there was.

00:11:05.440 Yeah, that's paying for a joke.

00:11:06.460 That's no problem.

00:11:07.240 You can do that.

00:11:07.720 Not a problem.

00:11:08.320 And then, and then some of it came back saying, well, Pat, this guy, the part that pissed off

00:11:13.020 a lot of people was the lightweight comedians were frightened of Carlos because Carlos could

00:11:19.060 shut down their career at that time, because let me just finish, at that time he's coming

00:11:23.520 up and when he did it initially, he didn't just come out and say, look, I screwed up.

00:11:30.680 I got caught.

00:11:31.520 Dane Cook, Robin Williams, Amy, I mean, not Amy Schumer fully didn't apologize, but there's

00:11:35.200 a few of them that just came out.

00:11:36.100 I screwed up.

00:11:37.140 And then boom, they went back to their shtick and their career.

00:11:39.740 Sure.

00:11:39.900 Why isn't Carlos just coming out and say, I did it.

00:11:42.480 I screwed up.

00:11:43.240 Can we move on?

00:11:44.040 But see, here's what I said.

00:11:45.060 Here's what I said to you.

00:11:46.180 I said, I've recorded all my shows.

00:11:48.800 So I have evidence to tell me what joke it is.

00:11:53.420 I never hear that.

00:11:55.500 See.

00:11:55.600 What do you mean you never hear that?

00:11:57.720 When somebody says or has ever said to me, hey, you took a joke, I'll say, well, when

00:12:02.560 did you do it?

00:12:03.320 Because I have a record, I'll find out when.

00:12:06.560 And I'll hear something like, well, you know what you did.

00:12:10.520 And that's it.

00:12:11.900 That's all I'll hear.

00:12:13.140 Whenever on Mind and Mencia we did jokes that were built on even premises that other people

00:12:18.120 did, we actually brought them in and not only made them writers for a day, but paid them

00:12:25.040 to be writers on the show.

00:12:26.800 So, which happened like three or four times.

00:12:29.480 But outside of that, I don't know what to say to somebody when they say, you took my

00:12:35.960 joke and I say, okay, when did you do it?

00:12:38.760 What's the joke?

00:12:39.460 And then they walk away.

00:12:40.460 I don't know what to do because all the stories that you hear, I hear none of that.

00:12:46.220 And think about this.

00:12:47.120 You brought up Amy Schuber.

00:12:48.120 You brought up Dane Cook.

00:12:49.120 Yeah.

00:12:49.760 Why is it that when they get accused, it goes away?

00:12:52.360 What is it about Carlos?

00:12:53.400 Because they just said, okay, I screwed up.

00:12:54.500 No, Dane Cook didn't apologize.

00:12:56.800 Dane Cook actually did a Louis C.K. show back in the day where they did a bit where

00:13:02.500 he actually said, why would I take the joke from you?

00:13:04.600 I'm Dane Cook.

00:13:05.160 I don't need your joke.

00:13:06.060 It was a whole bit that they did.

00:13:07.140 There was never an apology.

00:13:08.540 Amy Schumer never apologized.

00:13:09.840 Did Robin Williams apologize?

00:13:11.500 Not that I know of.

00:13:12.800 The story is that he would pay people.

00:13:14.560 That's the story.

00:13:15.240 So, let me ask you.

00:13:16.200 So, let's just say they do.

00:13:17.860 Okay, for you.

00:13:18.600 And by the way, I'm open to it.

00:13:21.100 Like, I'm not saying, you know, I'm saying.

00:13:24.520 You've been around this game for a while.

00:13:26.900 Would you say you stole jokes?

00:13:30.020 Here's what I would say.

00:13:31.440 When I first started, like every comedian, I wasn't me.

00:13:36.140 I was a version of a bunch of comedians that I thought were funny.

00:13:40.400 Right.

00:13:40.760 Right?

00:13:41.260 Okay.

00:13:41.880 Once I shed that, I was me.

00:13:45.040 Just like every other comic.

00:13:47.240 But my problem was blinders that when I was a young comedian and I had a 10 o'clock spot,

00:13:57.840 I would get up at 12, 12.30 because Paul Mooney showed up and did 45 minutes.

00:14:03.220 Eddie Griffin did 45 minutes.

00:14:05.020 Dice showed up and did an hour.

00:14:06.960 And so, they weren't on the schedule.

00:14:10.480 But they got to, you know, that's the way the club business worked.

00:14:14.280 So, by the time 2004, 2005 came around that I had my show, it was different.

00:14:22.500 Young comedians didn't understand, didn't appreciate.

00:14:27.080 Most, most hatred that comes from me personally, there's a story about me bumping them or pushing

00:14:35.220 them or that they had a spot at 10 and they didn't go on because I showed up.

00:14:38.740 Well, you were famous for doing that.

00:14:39.700 Oh, yeah.

00:14:40.220 That I did.

00:14:41.240 Oh, and you don't deny that.

00:14:42.580 You say you were an asshole at one point.

00:14:43.920 Oh, yeah.

00:14:44.700 Okay.

00:14:45.140 Oh, yeah.

00:14:45.760 But not an asshole because I was following the rules.

00:14:48.740 Just the rules changed.

00:14:50.260 You know what I mean?

00:14:51.720 When you say rules, culture.

00:14:53.560 This was the culture at the time.

00:14:54.780 The culture was.

00:14:55.560 The best guys showed up and it doesn't matter who was there, you're off the list.

00:14:57.880 It doesn't matter.

00:14:58.720 Yeah.

00:14:59.160 So, but I started getting, why is he going on?

00:15:02.580 Even like if you listen to Marc Maron's podcast.

00:15:04.880 Yeah.

00:15:05.480 The WTF podcast.

00:15:06.500 It starts off with, here's the story.

00:15:09.060 I was at the improv.

00:15:10.280 I had a spot.

00:15:11.360 That I totally did do.

00:15:13.420 And I did it with impunity.

00:15:15.520 But then again, I grew up at the comedy store.

00:15:18.580 I didn't show up at the comedy store for Madison and I was a hot young guy.

00:15:23.200 And five, six years into it, when I'm good, I showed up.

00:15:26.980 I started in the petri dish of comedy.

00:15:30.740 So, I didn't get to shed those years of, you know, being some other comedian at some other place.

00:15:38.860 I did it on the stage at the comedy store on Sunset Boulevard for everybody to see.

00:15:44.960 So, that part, yeah.

00:15:47.520 The going on before other people part, yeah.

00:15:50.840 But I felt like I deserved it because I paid the price myself.

00:15:55.120 You know, I stayed.

00:15:56.940 My brother can tell you.

00:15:57.840 My wife can tell you.

00:15:58.780 You know, I'd come home at three o'clock in the morning because I had a spot at one in front of eight drunk people.

00:16:04.360 That's how I built my chops.

00:16:06.400 So, that part is the part that I had to deal with.

00:16:11.540 The part that I know that I can embrace.

00:16:14.040 And by the way, if I had taken a bunch of other people's stuff, I would have wanted to apologize.

00:16:19.940 The whole thing was.

00:16:20.680 So, you're still saying you haven't.

00:16:22.740 No, I just told you what I did, right?

00:16:24.720 You're saying, your answer was, my interpretation of what you said is, I did what everybody else was doing.

00:16:30.480 No, no.

00:16:31.160 That's kind of your answer.

00:16:32.280 No, no, no.

00:16:33.140 What I'm saying is, when I first started doing comedy, I was a version of a bunch of comedians that worked at the comedy clubs.

00:16:41.740 Because I didn't want to be, I didn't know about stand-up until I started doing stand-up.

00:16:47.160 So, I wasn't Chris Rock, who was doing Richard Pryor, right?

00:16:54.080 Who, he'll say, I was doing Richard Pryor.

00:16:56.100 But nobody says, well, that's stealing.

00:16:58.400 It's like, oh, you're emulating.

00:16:59.720 I emulated a bunch of these young guys.

00:17:02.720 After that got shed, after that emulation got shed, and I built the persona of the stand-up guy, right?

00:17:11.820 And I started moving forward.

00:17:14.160 That is when all that stuff stopped, because I became myself.

00:17:21.080 If you see me perform, my jokes are passion.

00:17:25.000 They're not written.

00:17:26.900 I've never been a writing comic.

00:17:29.620 My jokes aren't clever like that.

00:17:31.320 They're filled with passion.

00:17:32.620 They're about anger, frustration.

00:17:35.720 Watch my specials and turn down the volume, and I'm not smiling very much.

00:17:40.080 I'm very intense.

00:17:41.040 So, my jokes are written from my heart, you know?

00:17:46.020 So, when I'm accused, like you said, I come out with evidence, you know?

00:17:53.920 Here's the data.

00:17:55.260 Show me the data.

00:17:56.700 But I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about.

00:17:59.260 So, there's a guy named Juan Villarreal.

00:18:01.880 He's from here.

00:18:03.020 Okay.

00:18:03.180 In 93, 94-ish, around there, I met him.

00:18:08.380 I had a show called Local Slam on HBO.

00:18:11.600 He's a really, really funny young guy.

00:18:13.740 I said, I want to put this guy on the show.

00:18:15.960 He's raw, but he's really funny.

00:18:17.760 Let's add him in to one of the shows, and if he's funny, we'll leave him in.

00:18:22.120 If he's not, we'll cut him out.

00:18:23.520 That's fine.

00:18:24.940 So, he's on the show.

00:18:28.240 He makes it on.

00:18:29.340 Three months after the show airs, he calls me, and he says, hey, are you going to be in Corpus Christi anytime soon?

00:18:35.460 And I said, I don't know.

00:18:37.720 Why?

00:18:38.500 And he said, well, I got paid to do $3,000 to do a headlining act.

00:18:43.040 I don't have that kind of material.

00:18:44.420 So, I did your act.

00:18:46.040 And I said, whatever, man.

00:18:48.460 It's, you know, I need to write new stuff anyway.

00:18:50.780 All the stuff I did in the past is in the past.

00:18:52.640 It doesn't matter to me.

00:18:53.920 Go ahead.

00:18:55.240 Well, he ended up doing a small tour going to Army bases.

00:19:01.700 After a while, people started telling him, hey, Carlos is doing your jokes.

00:19:08.500 He was a young comedian.

00:19:10.020 He didn't know what to do.

00:19:11.600 So, he kind of just pretended, but he never really said, no, no, no, it's the opposite.

00:19:17.220 So, about three years, three and a half years ago, he and I are hanging out, and a guy says to him, and I hear him.

00:19:24.920 I'm on the other side of the wall.

00:19:27.080 So, a guy says to him, how can you be with this guy?

00:19:29.820 This guy not only stole your act, but he acts like you.

00:19:34.400 So, I heard Juan say, it's the opposite, bro.

00:19:37.180 Without that dude, I wouldn't be where I'm at.

00:19:40.340 He helped me out.

00:19:41.420 He paid my way.

00:19:42.440 He did stuff for me.

00:19:43.420 He bought me shoes to be on TV when I was on shows.

00:19:47.000 I did his act.

00:19:48.540 I stole his persona.

00:19:50.100 He's my idol, not the other way around.

00:19:52.760 Without that guy, I would never be where I'm at.

00:19:55.720 There was a pause, and the guy goes, ah, fuck him.

00:19:58.700 I don't like him anyway.

00:19:59.840 I can't fight that.

00:20:01.340 I just can't fight that.

00:20:02.500 And this has been my frustration, because when this first started, I paid a lot of money to consultings.

00:20:14.640 And you know what they all said?

00:20:15.880 Don't fight it.

00:20:17.140 Let it go.

00:20:18.240 It's going to go away.

00:20:19.740 Problem is, internet was brand new.

00:20:22.800 They didn't understand that the internet is forever.

00:20:26.660 Not today.

00:20:27.500 Today, it just exists through time.

00:20:31.120 So somebody right now, right now, who's a fan of mine, is discovering this for the first time.

00:20:38.340 And they're going to go on the air, and it's going to feel brand new to them, even though this occurred 15 years ago.

00:20:44.620 And so my frustration is with the lack of data and the wanting to, you know, for me to accept certain things.

00:20:52.560 Is it, I can only accept that, which is what I do.

00:20:56.440 And being arrogant, well, not arrogant, but being a dick to those guys and running the light.

00:21:02.800 Oh, God, yes.

00:21:03.880 And you know what?

00:21:04.580 I deserve all that hate.

00:21:06.480 But the amount of animus that came from it and the affect of it, yeah, I don't think people really, really, really understood that.

00:21:14.500 So let me give you a different way of asking a question here for you.

00:21:18.780 Billy Graham once wrote a book on how to debate the question of, does Jesus really exist?

00:21:25.920 Right.

00:21:26.180 Right?

00:21:26.820 And it's a very interesting book.

00:21:28.220 And I read this because I was an atheist 25 years of my life.

00:21:30.720 I don't believe in God.

00:21:31.360 I'm like, let me see what this Billy Graham has to do.

00:21:33.500 So I go to Pasadena, he's performing at Rose Bowl, I want to say November 17th of 03, because I went every day outside of a Saturday.

00:21:42.120 I just want to hear this guy.

00:21:42.840 Eventually they made it the Billy Graham day.

00:21:45.620 And he says, you know, the challenge with Jesus is you either think he's a psychopath, okay?

00:21:51.820 Right.

00:21:52.280 Of what he says.

00:21:53.060 Right.

00:21:53.380 He's either a liar or he's the truth, right?

00:21:56.320 So it's one of those things.

00:21:57.360 Right.

00:21:57.560 So the person that you're debating with, you're like, well, I don't know if he sounds like he's a sociopath.

00:22:01.480 I don't know if he's a liar.

00:22:04.100 Then what do you think?

00:22:05.300 Maybe he's telling the truth.

00:22:06.480 Right.

00:22:06.620 Okay, he's telling the truth.

00:22:07.320 So if he's telling, he says, I am.

00:22:08.880 So then the interpretation is this, I am really mean that I'm God, I'm this, I'm that.

00:22:12.480 Right.

00:22:12.560 Okay.

00:22:12.900 That's a completely different thing.

00:22:16.780 The comparison to me is, you look at a Joe Rogan who gets up and he says, this guy steals jokes.

00:22:25.180 Why don't you go say something?

00:22:26.680 I'm afraid.

00:22:27.360 I'm not going to say nothing.

00:22:28.200 I'm not going to, you know, the one of the comedians is like, I don't want to say anything because I don't want to confront him.

00:22:31.060 No, I'm not going to say anything.

00:22:32.100 Go.

00:22:32.360 He says, this is why guys like Carlos Mencia get away.

00:22:34.960 Right.

00:22:35.280 With being able to steal jokes from guys like you.

00:22:37.220 They come, they listen, they take your jokes, they go, they're bigger, no one knows who you are.

00:22:40.440 Right.

00:22:40.840 Right.

00:22:41.820 So either Joe is a pathological liar.

00:22:46.020 Mm-hmm.

00:22:46.600 He's either a sociopath.

00:22:48.200 Right.

00:22:48.640 Or he's telling the truth.

00:22:50.320 Right.

00:22:50.840 Which one is in your eyes?

00:22:52.020 Or he had a personal problem with me.

00:22:53.860 Why would he have a problem?

00:22:55.000 He used to be friends.

00:22:55.940 But we used to be pretty decent friends at one point.

00:23:00.040 I can't answer that question.

00:23:02.460 And I don't, whatever theories I have at this point, it's a negative thing to bring up.

00:23:12.580 Once you've chosen the high road, the non-question road, the non-antagonistic road, you can't go back 15 years later to try to relitigate something in anger.

00:23:24.820 How old are you?

00:23:25.420 52.

00:23:25.980 You're young.

00:23:26.880 Yeah.

00:23:27.440 You're young.

00:23:28.080 It's not like you're 83.

00:23:29.660 It's like, yeah, you know, it's good to go.

00:23:30.880 You're 52 years old.

00:23:32.360 And this comedy space is at its peak right now.

00:23:34.320 It's not like, it's a great time right now to be a comedian.

00:23:36.640 This is a phenomenal time to be a comedian.

00:23:38.240 Right.

00:23:38.760 So when I watch Joe, I say, you know what?

00:23:40.780 I don't think this guy's lying.

00:23:42.700 You know, I don't take it as this guy's lying.

00:23:44.360 I just think Joe was able to bring something up and talk to you.

00:23:48.020 Joe was somebody that Joe didn't care if he was going to lose the job while other guys cared because Joe had a career.

00:23:55.580 He was doing acting.

00:23:56.300 He was doing fear factor.

00:23:57.040 I don't know.

00:23:57.460 He had a bunch of different shticks that he had at the time.

00:23:59.500 This is pre any of the podcast stuff that he did.

00:24:01.960 Right.

00:24:02.100 So he says that.

00:24:02.940 Now, I'll ask you the second question here for you.

00:24:05.220 How is your way of thinking worked for you since this event 15 years ago?

00:24:12.900 Meaning, the event happens with the way you've responded to this event in the last 15 years.

00:24:18.960 What kind of results has your way of thinking produced for you on the way you've processed this issue?

00:24:24.440 Well, the first thing I had to do was say to myself, be honest.

00:24:29.440 Just look to what, you know, it's that thing of if one person says you're a dick, if everybody says you're a dick.

00:24:36.760 So I had to go back and say, what is it?

00:24:40.080 What is this?

00:24:41.320 You know, what is this animosity?

00:24:43.980 Where is this coming from?

00:24:45.340 You know, so I called a bunch of comedians and asked them about, you know, did you say this?

00:24:55.460 Did you say that?

00:24:56.760 No.

00:24:57.080 You know what I mean?

00:24:57.880 And so I had to go, okay, what is it?

00:25:04.840 You know, what is it about me?

00:25:06.260 Because being labeled a joke thief in what I do, think about this.

00:25:12.260 One sentence erases every accomplishment that I've ever done.

00:25:18.700 I don't think so.

00:25:19.620 Sure it does.

00:25:20.300 I don't think so.

00:25:21.080 To me it does.

00:25:21.640 Can I give you an argument on that?

00:25:22.700 To me it does because what we do is very personal.

00:25:28.360 What we do is very internal, especially the way I do it.

00:25:31.720 And if it's built on not just the backs of somebody else, but the taking of that, to me, it just, and by the way, if you go online and somebody says, I'm going to go see Carl's Messia, and somebody goes, he's a joke thief.

00:25:48.060 And they go, oh, I didn't know that.

00:25:49.600 It erased every moment.

00:25:51.780 And it happens.

00:25:52.760 So I had to kind of internalize what all this was, figure out what it was about me, you know, figure out what it was about others.

00:26:01.720 And here's, if you ever interview some of the people that opened for me, right, guys like Bobby Lee, guys like Joe Coy, guys like Brad Williams, anyway, a bunch of them.

00:26:17.900 And you ask them, why didn't you defend Carl's at the time?

00:26:22.680 And they would have told you it was, at the time, toxic to even like me, to even defend me.

00:26:32.900 Bobby Lee actually put up a video because what happened was with Bobby, Ari Shafir is about 6'6", whatever.

00:26:44.080 Bobby's about 5'5".

00:26:45.900 So Bobby called me up and he said, hey, he beat me up, dude.

00:26:51.120 Like, he beat me up.

00:26:53.340 So if you ever have the chance, don't book him on your show.

00:26:58.560 Ironically, we were going to use Ari in a sketch that week.

00:27:03.840 So that night I went to the Comedy Store, I saw him and I said, hey, bro, what are you doing beating up Bobby Lee?

00:27:08.960 He's like, he's a little baby.

00:27:11.180 What are you doing?

00:27:11.760 And he said, if I see him again, I'm going to kick his ass again.

00:27:16.260 So when he responded that way, I said, okay, well, I didn't say anything to him, but we just didn't book him on the show.

00:27:25.360 We booked somebody else.

00:27:26.480 He wasn't booked on the show at the time.

00:27:28.200 But so Bobby, when a lot of they started, because Ari was the one that was in that video saying, hey, Carlos did that.

00:27:38.320 He did a video saying that this happened.

00:27:40.640 He got so much hate in one day from that video, from the truth, from his truth, that he said, I can't, I can't, I got to take, I can't be a part of this.

00:27:50.740 I can't be, I can't take it.

00:27:52.360 I can't.

00:27:53.140 And so this is something that I've been dealing with just recently, because if I'm not mistaken, somebody asked Joe, what is the difference between Carlos and Dane and Amy?

00:28:05.060 And he said, well, people defended those others.

00:28:08.640 Nobody defended, nobody defended Ned, because they couldn't.

00:28:13.200 And, you know, what I've had to realize recently, I just kind of recently, I used to think, yeah, there was nobody out there to defend me.

00:28:21.300 But now I have to kind of deal with the fact that some of the people that I helped really get to, you know, to grow as comedians were not, were not there for me at that time, for whatever reason.

00:28:33.360 You know, I can understand it, but I'm actually going through a little bit of a grieving process, because it just was about a month ago that this kind of, it kind of clicked.

00:28:45.500 I was doing an interview, and I said, I did have people that could have defended me.

00:28:50.160 They just chose not to.

00:28:51.860 And I realized that, and it's something that I'm kind of still dealing with.

00:28:57.300 Who, what big name today defends you?

00:28:59.760 The biggest name that defended me is dead, Robert Schimmel.

00:29:05.540 He was a huge defender of mine, but he passed away.

00:29:12.080 Today?

00:29:12.680 Of those guys?

00:29:13.600 I don't know who would defend me now.

00:29:15.540 I think Joe Coy would now, at this point.

00:29:17.560 Why do you think?

00:29:18.340 I know Brad Williams would.

00:29:19.640 Why do you think, though?

00:29:20.360 Why do you think those big guys, who don't care whether they support you or not, why wouldn't they do today?

00:29:25.300 I don't think they would care, the big guys that you're talking about.

00:29:27.380 I don't know that they would think about it one way or the other.

00:29:31.600 But I don't know.

00:29:32.600 I don't hang out of comedy clubs anymore.

00:29:34.860 Dude, but I do the road.

00:29:36.500 I do 50 weeks a year on the road.

00:29:39.020 Yeah, I don't do that.

00:29:40.500 So you said, Pat, if I admit to stealing, that erases my legacy, right?

00:29:47.140 No, no, no.

00:29:47.800 Erases what?

00:29:48.480 What were you saying?

00:29:48.980 That erases?

00:29:49.520 I'm saying that when somebody says, I'm a joke fit, with that one sentence, to them, it erases any accomplishment that I've ever done.

00:30:00.000 With that one sentence.

00:30:00.980 I don't, but there's a reason for that, though.

00:30:03.200 Sure.

00:30:03.780 I agree with it, by the way.

00:30:04.900 So let me ask you.

00:30:06.000 So for you, are you a writer, an actor, or a comedian?

00:30:08.860 Which one would you say you are?

00:30:09.860 I'm all of them now.

00:30:11.300 You're all of them now?

00:30:12.020 Sure.

00:30:12.440 In 05?

00:30:13.460 All of them.

00:30:14.460 So you're a writer, comedian, and actor?

00:30:16.760 Yeah.

00:30:17.240 All three?

00:30:17.840 Yes.

00:30:18.240 Okay, so going back to the stealing part, let's just say, if you were to come out, hypothetically,

00:30:25.280 you came out and said, listen, screw it.

00:30:27.140 You know what?

00:30:27.580 I did steal jokes.

00:30:28.540 Right.

00:30:28.980 And I was a prick, and I was an asshole, and I heard some people, and Ari, I didn't book

00:30:33.140 him, and I didn't book this guy, and I did this to a few people.

00:30:35.120 Right.

00:30:35.700 Say you did that.

00:30:36.660 Mm-hmm.

00:30:36.920 What do you think would happen?

00:30:37.920 I have no idea, but that would kill my soul, because

00:30:43.180 I don't know that I'd be able to live with myself, because I'd be doing it for the reaction.

00:30:52.600 I would be doing it so that people would just be like, oh, okay, he's cool.

00:30:56.860 Let it go.

00:30:57.720 You know what I mean?

00:30:58.820 I don't know that I could do that.

00:31:00.200 But what I can do is say, look, I have literal evidence of when I perform jokes, and if you

00:31:09.060 can tell me when, then I will say, oh, my God, I did it.

00:31:13.580 It's 15 years, buddy.

00:31:14.180 It's 15.

00:31:14.580 When you say that, like, you're taking-

00:31:16.540 I said, no, I've been saying this forever.

00:31:18.400 But I get it.

00:31:19.120 But, bro, what you're saying right now when you say that, it's almost like taking the

00:31:24.200 approach of if you can show proof that I did X, Y, Z and take money from the bank.

00:31:31.040 But wait, wait, when it comes to jokes, you have to do that.

00:31:33.520 Because first of all, there's, okay, right now, the coronavirus.

00:31:38.160 Okay.

00:31:38.440 Do you know how many of us are doing a joke about, no, I drink Modelo, or no, I drink tequila,

00:31:43.880 or whatever version of that joke.

00:31:46.060 A lot of us are.

00:31:47.360 Okay.

00:31:47.540 So, but if I'm the first one to do that joke, right, and I can prove that, that's real.

00:31:56.360 That's not go prove it.

00:31:58.220 That's me saying, like, look, I know when I did it.

00:32:02.740 If you're accusing me of something, then tell me when.

00:32:06.020 Because, look, I don't mind.

00:32:08.740 I'm a flawed human being, all right?

00:32:11.260 I wouldn't mind.

00:32:12.560 I don't have a problem saying that when I was young, I was an amalgamation of comedians.

00:32:20.320 I don't have a problem with that.

00:32:21.960 And if those guys were to say to me, you stole my stuff, I would legitimately, like, I'm sorry.

00:32:27.920 But that's not, that's not it.

00:32:30.360 Look, in the past year, I've called a bunch of comedians to apologize for bumping them and running the light

00:32:36.700 and going on before them and doing that kind of stuff.

00:32:38.520 Every single one of them, at the end of that conversation, I've said to them,

00:32:43.980 hey, man, do we need to talk about joke stealing?

00:32:48.060 Is that something that you and I have to have a conversation about?

00:32:50.900 And it's all come back no.

00:32:53.460 So I don't, these hypothetical young comics that you're talking about, I don't know who they are.

00:33:00.000 I remember, I remember somebody in El Paso going, Carlos did my joke.

00:33:05.900 I hadn't even been to El Paso in two years.

00:33:07.720 Don't even know who this guy was.

00:33:09.240 It was, it's hard to explain the way it was, but it was, it was cool to hate me.

00:33:16.060 It was cool to not like me.

00:33:17.980 That doesn't, that sounds more like a victim saying it.

00:33:21.140 No, no.

00:33:21.720 Because it's a very easy.

00:33:23.540 Ask others.

00:33:24.200 But it's easy.

00:33:25.260 No, but, but.

00:33:25.900 Because I bumped them because I took something from them and it wasn't a joke.

00:33:30.440 It's, I took their time.

00:33:31.680 I took their stage time.

00:33:32.920 I took the one most important thing to a comedian that's even more important than a joke.

00:33:37.700 Because you can't tell a joke unless you get on stage.

00:33:40.360 Can't tell a joke unless you actually get to perform it.

00:33:42.920 I took that from these guys.

00:33:45.480 So that, that pain from them was real.

00:33:48.100 But let's talk about integrity, right?

00:33:50.880 So Steve Ren is easy, right?

00:33:53.420 He's on that video accusing me of being a joke thief, accusing my integrity.

00:34:02.220 This is a guy who lied about being in the World Trade Center during the 9-11 attacks to garner, you know, sympathy.

00:34:11.900 That's a guy who was questioning at the time my integrity.

00:34:16.160 So, I, I, this was, this has been, this has been the issue for a long time.

00:34:22.940 Like, how, I, what do I do?

00:34:25.800 You know, I go up to comedians.

00:34:28.380 I say, hey, do we need to talk about this?

00:34:30.780 I don't, I don't know what to say.

00:34:32.400 Joe has no reason to call you out, though.

00:34:34.420 Of course he does.

00:34:35.460 What's the reason for Joe to call you out?

00:34:37.160 At the time, he and I were, we, we still are, I guess, when it comes to comedy, competitive in nature.

00:34:45.460 We all are.

00:34:46.860 Listen, watch a, watch a, watch a documentary.

00:34:49.960 It's about the rise of comedy in the Boston area.

00:34:53.100 And how it was just a beautiful communal thing until one of them ended up on The Tonight Show.

00:35:02.420 And when that happened, they all became enemies.

00:35:07.060 They all fought each other because you have to understand who we are.

00:35:11.400 We're comedians.

00:35:12.720 Writer, actor, director, producer, on stage, by ourselves.

00:35:16.960 Our egos are astonishing.

00:35:19.600 Astonishing.

00:35:20.160 So, the competitive nature of who we are is, is, is, is, is huge.

00:35:26.420 Huge.

00:35:27.160 And if you look at the styles of comedy, two aggressive guys, trying to be smart, angry, screaming,

00:35:35.480 there, there, there was a competitive nature to it.

00:35:37.600 I can't tell you that's what it was.

00:35:39.400 I don't know.

00:35:40.400 I, I haven't talked to the guys since.

00:35:41.620 But it would be manipulative to say you're stealing jokes.

00:35:44.240 It would be manipulative to say you're stealing jokes.

00:35:46.660 But, but that was, that was in the ether from the beginning of my career, right?

00:35:50.960 That was, that wasn't, but I, I, that wasn't made up.

00:35:53.700 That wasn't made up.

00:35:54.600 So, you were stealing jokes.

00:35:55.800 No, no, no.

00:35:56.220 What I'm saying is that was in the ether from me being a young comic.

00:36:00.340 From me going through, like I said, it was, I didn't get to be in Addison, Texas doing

00:36:07.580 Paul Rodriguez jokes.

00:36:09.720 When I did Paul Rodriguez, I did it on stage at the comedy store on Sunset Boulevard.

00:36:15.400 So, when I did anything similar, it was out there for everybody to see.

00:36:19.600 So, from a, from when I was young that I had heard that kind of stuff, you know, so me

00:36:25.500 and some of the other comics, we, you know, we were part of that whole thing.

00:36:29.780 So, that was in the ether, is what I was saying.

00:36:32.940 I, listen, I wish I, I, I would love to.

00:36:36.000 I, I've had this conversation with, you're not the only person that said just, you know,

00:36:40.300 say I'm sorry and move on.

00:36:42.020 I, I would love to.

00:36:43.040 I don't know who to apologize to.

00:36:44.720 And those people that I have, I've called them.

00:36:46.780 And none of them have, um, no, none of them have said apologize for that.

00:36:53.360 Look, it brings me great, great, great, unbelievable sadness.

00:36:56.460 Because, I wish that this could have a simple resolution like mea culpa.

00:37:02.780 You know what I mean?

00:37:03.680 I, I'm a Catholic, bro.

00:37:04.800 I know.

00:37:05.700 You know, por mi culpa, por mi culpa, por mi gran culpa.

00:37:08.280 I get it, bro.

00:37:09.380 I, I'm not that guy.

00:37:10.660 But I just, I, I can't, um, acquiesce to a hypothetical because you question my motives

00:37:18.540 but not the accusers.

00:37:20.060 I, I don't know what to say to that.

00:37:21.900 Oh, I don't, so I, I understand what you're saying.

00:37:24.180 But I don't look at it from that standpoint.

00:37:26.200 I'm just asking, saying, he doesn't come across as a guy that would do it with ill intentions.

00:37:32.620 He would come across as the guy doing it to try to protect his peers.

00:37:36.580 Now, I understand he's fully competitive.

00:37:38.080 I don't, when you're saying that, I can fully see that.

00:37:40.940 I mean, at that level of the game, you have to be competitive.

00:37:43.740 He's in the MMA world.

00:37:44.800 So, of course, he's very competitive.

00:37:46.100 Right.

00:37:46.200 But I, I just, I just look and I say, okay, so you got, uh, uh, you got Conseco, you got

00:37:51.000 A-Rod.

00:37:51.760 Okay.

00:37:52.520 Very interesting example here.

00:37:54.400 Conseco, A-Rod.

00:37:55.200 Okay.

00:37:55.560 Mm-hmm.

00:37:56.020 Conseco comes out and says, hey, not only am I juicing, but here's a list of names.

00:38:01.580 Right.

00:38:02.040 And here's a book.

00:38:02.740 Right.

00:38:03.420 Since it throws everybody under the bus.

00:38:04.960 Right.

00:38:05.580 You know, it's like, hey, I'm stealing jokes.

00:38:07.600 I'm, everybody stole jokes.

00:38:09.200 So, here's what we're doing.

00:38:10.280 Okay.

00:38:11.120 A-Rod goes on 60 Minutes.

00:38:13.020 Have you used to, no.

00:38:14.020 Have you done this?

00:38:14.600 No.

00:38:15.120 But, and then, but then what he does afterwards, he says, I did.

00:38:18.380 I apologize.

00:38:19.620 Right.

00:38:20.040 Let me.

00:38:20.860 And then now today, today, you can't turn on the channel TV without seeing his face.

00:38:26.240 He's everywhere.

00:38:27.140 Right.

00:38:27.320 And he's loved, respected, back at it again.

00:38:29.940 And he was in a city in New York where everybody looked at Jeter and said, this has never come back

00:38:33.380 to be.

00:38:33.940 Right.

00:38:34.080 A-Rod, A-Rod's doing great.

00:38:36.060 Right.

00:38:36.220 Look at Canseco.

00:38:37.720 Right.

00:38:37.860 You know?

00:38:38.140 And it's not like one, both are angels and both did everything right.

00:38:43.180 Right.

00:38:43.420 But one guy just came out and said, yeah, here's what's going on.

00:38:47.100 Right.

00:38:47.400 Without throwing anybody under the bus and he's on the limelight.

00:38:49.840 That's what I've done when it comes to everything.

00:38:52.280 I just, you just.

00:38:52.880 You relate more to A-Rod on you?

00:38:54.680 No, because you see, again, I'm not, I'm, I put it all out there.

00:39:00.480 It's, I've, I've, I've never, I've never skirted the issue.

00:39:04.760 Look, it's 15 years later.

00:39:06.320 I probably shouldn't even be doing this interview in this way.

00:39:09.420 This is hashing up stuff that for some people's in the past, for some people's long ago, whatever

00:39:15.220 it is, I, I, listen, I get it, but I've always been truthful with, with regards to how I

00:39:22.020 come about this.

00:39:22.780 And, and listen, for, for me to, for me to say that I took time from these young comics,

00:39:28.320 you know, that's, that's not a, that's not a, that's a horrible thing.

00:39:31.720 So, so just, just to, just to, so.

00:39:33.720 My point to you is I don't, I'm not fearful of saying.

00:39:36.100 This is the last question.

00:39:36.920 I've been a joke thief.

00:39:37.780 You never stole a joke.

00:39:39.840 Never.

00:39:40.920 That's not what I'm saying.

00:39:42.060 When I was a young comic, not only did I steal jokes, I emulated these guys.

00:39:47.040 I did it the way Paul Rodriguez did it.

00:39:49.160 I did it the way Freddie Prinze did it.

00:39:51.020 I did it the way George Carlin did it.

00:39:53.180 But I was a young comedian learning how to be a comedian.

00:39:57.880 So that was the beginning of my, once I started to become Carlos, you know what I mean?

00:40:06.560 And however long that took, then it became me, my jokes, my personality, my thing, my thinking,

00:40:17.020 my process.

00:40:18.260 So that's what I'm saying.

00:40:20.040 But when I was doing mine at Mencia, no, I was not taking young comic stuff.

00:40:26.200 I was not, I was not, I wasn't even at comedy clubs long enough before or after my performances

00:40:34.300 to do.

00:40:35.600 You know what I would do when I was doing mine at Mencia?

00:40:37.500 I'd go to the Laugh Factory, do a whatever long minute set, and then I'd go to the comedy

00:40:43.700 store, and then I'd go to the improv, and then I'd go home.

00:40:46.060 I wasn't watching, I wasn't watching other comics.

00:40:48.580 I wasn't, I wasn't seeing what they were doing.

00:40:50.480 I didn't know what they were doing.

00:40:51.760 I had no clue what they were doing.

00:40:53.460 You know what I mean?

00:40:53.960 So, I don't know.

00:40:56.360 It's, look, I, like I said, man, it pains me.

00:41:01.360 I have, I would have no problem whatsoever telling the truth.

00:41:04.240 I'm not in the world.

00:41:04.980 If I was in the world, I would say, okay, if somebody's watching this right now, they're

00:41:07.700 a comedian, they're saying, well, Carlos stole my joke in 2004, and he did this.

00:41:12.660 So, you're saying there's no one that's going to watch it that's going to say, Carlos at

00:41:18.180 one point took my joke, and he told it out of big, you're saying no one's going to come

00:41:21.580 out and say that, that's what happened.

00:41:22.560 I hope so, so that I could go back and pull out a tape for 2004 or 2003, and I could say,

00:41:27.960 oh my God, you're right, you did do it before.

00:41:30.540 My, my sincerest apologies.

00:41:33.440 But, but that's the, that's the engineer side of you, that answer.

00:41:36.420 That, that's a, that's a political, you just gave a very brilliant, that shows the brains,

00:41:40.680 because you're a very smart guy.

00:41:41.600 You're not a, you're, you're a brilliant guy.

00:41:43.120 That's my point, but if I'm that smart, why am I taking other people's jokes, especially

00:41:47.120 after being accused of doing so?

00:41:49.180 It doesn't make any sense.

00:41:50.700 I would have to be, I know a lot of smart guys, no, but, but, but I, but I, but I got to tell

00:41:56.660 you this part.

00:41:57.320 I got to tell you this part.

00:41:58.640 I've, I've been in business long enough where I'm in the business of having to read people.

00:42:01.940 It's my job.

00:42:02.480 It's what I get paid to do, right?

00:42:03.700 If I don't do it, I'm out of business.

00:42:05.080 I'm supposed to do it to know if this, uh, uh, sales guy that's telling me this, or this

00:42:10.060 investor, I'm sitting in board meeting my entire gig.

00:42:12.580 Without it, you're not going to exist, right?

00:42:14.440 Okay.

00:42:14.980 If I look at a guy like you, I've been in rooms where I have guys that are brilliant people,

00:42:21.740 semi-genius.

00:42:22.660 Let me make a point.

00:42:23.460 Semi-genius.

00:42:24.140 I understand.

00:42:24.700 But sometimes a guy that's semi-genius, I don't know why.

00:42:29.620 The more talented people are, sometimes they're lazier.

00:42:33.520 Okay.

00:42:33.940 Interesting.

00:42:34.460 Sometimes people that are less talented, sometimes they have to work harder.

00:42:38.920 Right.

00:42:39.080 So sometimes the naturally talented guy is like, ah, dude, I'm just going to tell it

00:42:43.880 better than he does.

00:42:44.420 I had one guy tell me this.

00:42:46.640 I put on an event, an event, you know, I put it on.

00:42:51.020 Three weeks later, he put on the same exact event, was dressed just like me, put on the

00:42:55.380 same skit, gave the same message, everything was the same.

00:42:58.460 Right.

00:42:58.740 But he asked me, please don't say from stage that this was the same exact skit as you.

00:43:02.500 And back then in 08, guess what, 09, there's no social media.

00:43:04.720 So I can't like put it up and say it's the same thing.

00:43:06.540 Right.

00:43:06.780 I said, no problem.

00:43:08.260 Then one night we're together, it's 4 o'clock in the morning at his place.

00:43:10.960 He says, you know what my biggest strength is?

00:43:12.700 I said, what?

00:43:13.520 He says, my biggest strength is watching you to see what you do, I just know how to do

00:43:19.180 it better.

00:43:19.840 Wow.

00:43:20.340 Watching you tell a story, I just know how to do it better.

00:43:23.140 Sometimes there are guys out there that are geniuses that know how to watch and mimic

00:43:27.500 body language, just do a better job at it than another person.

00:43:31.300 That is a form of genius.

00:43:33.220 Genius isn't just about you writing everything.

00:43:36.240 Right.

00:43:36.480 A form of genius is, I'm too lazy to write it, I'm just going to do better than that guy

00:43:39.540 does.

00:43:40.180 So you're saying, no.

00:43:41.280 Every joke you told me.

00:43:42.000 Have you seen my stand-up specials?

00:43:44.120 I have, yeah.

00:43:44.940 Do you see that passion in there?

00:43:47.000 That's that...

00:43:48.160 Every joke that I've written.

00:43:49.680 I think you're sick.

00:43:50.300 I've written.

00:43:51.060 Well, I think you're sick is what I'm trying to tell you.

00:43:53.660 I'm telling you, you're insanely talented, bro.

00:43:56.740 There is nothing here that's a shot.

00:43:58.940 No, but what I'm saying is that that stuff, I could actually tell you when I wrote those

00:44:03.740 jokes, why I wrote those jokes, what inspired those jokes, what inspired the passion.

00:44:09.060 I'm smart enough to know that I could apologize and put an end to this.

00:44:14.460 And it wouldn't hurt me.

00:44:17.080 Joe doesn't come across as a liar to me.

00:44:18.940 It wouldn't hurt me.

00:44:20.300 Dude, Joe doesn't come across as a liar to me.

00:44:22.520 I don't know.

00:44:22.920 So I come across as a liar to you?

00:44:24.180 No, you don't come across as a liar.

00:44:25.720 You come across as somebody that's worried that if you were to say this, everybody would

00:44:29.100 take all the other stuff out on the legacy and say, no, maybe...

00:44:31.900 No, it's already done.

00:44:33.540 Oh, God.

00:44:34.840 You're so wrong.

00:44:35.940 What do you mean it's already done?

00:44:37.080 In my...

00:44:40.700 From my perspective, my legacy is already tarnished.

00:44:45.740 I disagree.

00:44:46.580 And therein lies the difference between you and I.

00:44:51.260 No, look at me.

00:44:52.440 I truly, truly believe from the bottom of my soul, right, that for the rest of my life,

00:45:01.040 as you brought up Robin Williams, my name will be brought up this way.

00:45:04.580 And I would love, love, love to push a reset or reboot or think that that was going to happen.

00:45:15.360 So I'm not...

00:45:15.580 This is a miracle.

00:45:16.380 No, listen, I'm not...

00:45:17.600 My point is, I'm not saving anything.

00:45:21.640 There's nothing...

00:45:22.680 I'm not protecting anything.

00:45:25.260 Whatever your perception of it is, my perception of it is, it's done.

00:45:31.220 I will always have an asterisk by my name, no matter what.

00:45:35.060 Yeah, I don't agree.

00:45:35.700 And so my point to you is...

00:45:36.760 But that's fine.

00:45:36.780 I understand why you would say that.

00:45:38.040 But my point to you is, if that's the case, then I would say it because I would be...

00:45:42.680 I'm not protecting anything.

00:45:43.860 So...

00:45:44.160 I have nothing to protect.

00:45:45.540 So let me give you an idea.

00:45:46.480 I am naked.

00:45:47.600 Are you a baseball guy?

00:45:48.560 I am naked.

00:45:49.140 Are you a sports guy?

00:45:49.980 Yes.

00:45:50.400 Okay, you like baseball?

00:45:51.700 Love it.

00:45:52.280 Does Pete Rose belong in the Hall of Fame?

00:45:55.440 No.

00:45:55.940 Based on the standards, no.

00:45:57.480 No.

00:45:58.000 Based on the standards of...

00:45:59.840 No.

00:46:00.360 Well, let me see.

00:46:03.000 In the Hall of Fame, yes, but only because his numbers prior to juicing were of Hall of Fame before that.

00:46:12.820 Roger Clemens.

00:46:13.880 Same thing.

00:46:14.780 Yeah.

00:46:14.900 His numbers before any of that stuff were done.

00:46:17.480 A-Rod.

00:46:18.100 You know what?

00:46:18.720 I don't know that much about when he started.

00:46:20.760 He's 36 homeowner's rookie year.

00:46:22.480 Yeah.

00:46:23.100 The guy came out in gates.

00:46:23.900 So all those guys that had something previous to that, yes.

00:46:27.280 Yeah.

00:46:27.580 So those guys belong in.

00:46:28.920 You don't think Pete Rose does.

00:46:29.900 Okay.

00:46:31.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:46:31.780 But he did something afterwards to betray the game in a different way.

00:46:35.140 But he bet on himself.

00:46:36.160 He didn't bet on the opponent.

00:46:37.200 He bet on himself.

00:46:37.860 No, no, no.

00:46:37.880 I get it.

00:46:38.240 But that's according to the baseball rules.

00:46:41.240 I'm with you.

00:46:42.100 I can respect that.

00:46:42.900 I think Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame.

00:46:44.740 If I ran baseball, would I have him in?

00:46:46.620 He would be in.

00:46:47.240 Yes.

00:46:47.760 I think he'll get in.

00:46:49.000 I think he's going to get in after he passes.

00:46:50.980 I just hope they do it while he's alive because I think it'll be a very emotional moment if they do it.

00:46:54.600 Right.

00:46:54.820 But okay.

00:46:55.380 So now, let's continue.

00:46:56.620 So we're talking about that.

00:46:57.840 Astros.

00:46:58.320 Yes.

00:46:58.460 What happened with Astros?

00:46:59.380 I'm a Dodger fan.

00:47:00.240 Okay.

00:47:00.620 I'm a Dodger fan.

00:47:01.460 I flew into L.A. to watch Game 7.

00:47:04.260 I'm at the game to watch it.

00:47:05.480 I was there.

00:47:05.820 And they went 5-2.

00:47:06.620 I was there.

00:47:07.520 The picture of Dodgers didn't help too much because right off the bat their 2-0.

00:47:10.460 Right.

00:47:10.980 So, okay.

00:47:12.220 So, I'm a Texas Rangers fan and I'm a Dodgers fan.

00:47:15.520 Okay.

00:47:15.820 So, what Houston is doing today, you can't turn on the TV or First Take or ESPN or, you know, anybody without hearing a bunch of people bashing these guys on what they're doing.

00:47:27.120 Right?

00:47:27.400 I get it.

00:47:27.720 What do you think about what they did?

00:47:29.640 What Astros did?

00:47:30.560 So, it's accepted that if you get to second base and you take it, that's accepted in baseball for some reason.

00:47:39.320 Right?

00:47:39.700 Everybody.

00:47:40.680 But the way they systematically did it is pretty unacceptable.

00:47:46.320 Okay.

00:47:46.540 That being said, as a Dodger fan, even if they gave us the trophy, it wouldn't feel like we won it.

00:47:53.800 But, you know, it's painful to look back and go, what would have happened had that not been the case?

00:48:02.020 Okay.

00:48:02.740 What would have happened?

00:48:03.420 Okay.

00:48:03.600 What do you mean?

00:48:04.200 Yankees or Dodgers?

00:48:05.100 Dodgers don't want it anyways.

00:48:06.220 It's just.

00:48:06.580 Right.

00:48:06.960 Okay.

00:48:07.720 So, stealing signs.

00:48:09.300 Has this been going on for a while?

00:48:12.160 Yes.

00:48:12.640 Yes.

00:48:13.020 It's part of the game.

00:48:14.300 And even back in the days, Hank Aaron, you know, even said, look, if you can do it, do it.

00:48:18.520 Right.

00:48:18.940 But he didn't like the way Astros did it.

00:48:21.180 Correct.

00:48:21.260 Right.

00:48:21.600 What do you think should happen with Astros?

00:48:23.040 Do you think they need to keep the World Series or have an asterisk next to it?

00:48:26.240 They should take the World Series away, but not give it to anybody else.

00:48:28.660 I agree with you.

00:48:29.500 We're on the same page there.

00:48:30.460 Okay.

00:48:31.200 Do you think if they go the way they've been going, you think they're going to be forgiven throughout the season?

00:48:38.220 If the way Astros are going, which Altuve's like, no, it's my tattoo.

00:48:41.980 My wife gets upset if my body shows.

00:48:43.920 Right.

00:48:43.940 Right.

00:48:44.040 Right.

00:48:44.060 Come on.

00:48:44.360 I don't want to do that.

00:48:45.180 And I'm just a regular guy.

00:48:46.260 Right.

00:48:46.800 The shtick is not working, right?

00:48:48.420 Correct.

00:48:48.620 It's working against them, right?

00:48:49.860 Correct.

00:48:50.080 Do you think if they go that way, do you think the punishment their opponents are going to

00:48:55.040 give is going to be less than the punishment the league could have given them?

00:48:58.660 I don't know.

00:48:59.420 I have no idea.

00:49:00.580 I don't know.

00:49:01.340 I mean, they're going to get hit, but that's not a big deal.

00:49:03.640 That's not a big deal.

00:49:04.360 Okay.

00:49:05.120 But look at the end of the day, they're champions of that year.

00:49:08.980 That's just forever the way it's going to be.

00:49:11.100 And this, what we're talking about, it'll be a footnote in history.

00:49:15.720 But here's a question I'm going to.

00:49:17.380 What if these guys came out and said, look, we messed up.

00:49:21.820 We don't want the championship.

00:49:23.260 Right.

00:49:23.540 We'll give it back to you.

00:49:24.440 We'll give the ring back.

00:49:25.660 We messed up.

00:49:26.540 Right.

00:49:26.760 We apologize.

00:49:27.760 We'll be good citizens of the MLB.

00:49:30.280 The fact that we didn't get suspended.

00:49:31.880 In this country, people would move on.

00:49:35.140 People would move on.

00:49:35.860 People would move on.

00:49:36.820 People would move on.

00:49:37.500 I concur.

00:49:38.240 This is America.

00:49:39.480 I agree 100%.

00:49:40.680 When you're saying you think it's over with, okay, it's done with your legacy.

00:49:45.680 The guy that made $80,000, $89 million two years ago, his tour was called Irresponsible

00:49:51.600 Tour, and he went and opened up, and just that became his story.

00:49:55.420 And he's one of the most loved guys.

00:49:57.240 He's going to be a billionaire.

00:49:58.620 He's one of the most loved guys in America because he just got out and says, this time

00:50:03.100 I screwed up.

00:50:03.700 I don't know if you've seen the show or not.

00:50:04.900 I don't know if you've seen Kevin Hart.

00:50:07.140 It's sick.

00:50:07.860 It's insane.

00:50:08.540 I mean, the way he does it, I just love it on how he does it.

00:50:11.800 Right.

00:50:11.980 You're looking at it like, wow.

00:50:13.860 Right.

00:50:14.320 Pretty freaking awesome.

00:50:15.560 Right.

00:50:16.160 Eddie Murphy's off because of some of the issues he had with Paul Mooney.

00:50:18.860 You've heard some of this stuff.

00:50:19.740 Maybe he didn't come because 30 years, all this other stuff.

00:50:21.820 Right.

00:50:22.060 He's back on SNL.

00:50:23.000 And you know what?

00:50:23.480 Honestly, it was emotional.

00:50:24.800 Sure.

00:50:25.060 You know, it's kind of like, that's kind of, that's cool, man.

00:50:28.560 And everybody showed up and Chappelle and Rock and everybody, hey, you know, I'm this guy.

00:50:32.280 Get out of here.

00:50:32.800 We're not.

00:50:33.380 It was kind of cool.

00:50:34.620 Right.

00:50:35.020 I think America is, my dad told me this a long time ago when we came here.

00:50:39.960 So let me tell you how America's built.

00:50:41.840 He said, America likes new heroes.

00:50:43.840 I agree.

00:50:44.280 But when they get new heroes, America loves to see that new hero fall.

00:50:48.100 Right.

00:50:48.480 But what America loves even more is to see that fallen hero redeem himself and come back up.

00:50:52.960 Completely agree.

00:50:53.580 And it gets bigger.

00:50:54.660 I think you have a big opportunity to do that, man.

00:50:58.100 I agree.

00:50:59.820 But here's the problem.

00:51:03.920 You want me to, or people want me to accept something that I didn't do in the way that they say that I did.

00:51:13.720 I don't know.

00:51:15.360 And I'm smart enough to know that I could apologize and move on and whatever.

00:51:22.600 But like I said, I've called these guys personally.

00:51:25.640 I've asked them about it.

00:51:27.180 It doesn't come up other than in moments like this.

00:51:30.160 I don't know what to say to you.

00:51:32.280 Maybe one day you should ask, you know, Joe, if you have him on, why he did it, what his impetus was.

00:51:41.180 You know, I don't know.

00:51:42.560 Maybe one day.

00:51:43.480 What's the last time you reached out to him?

00:51:46.500 Okay.

00:51:46.980 So from my perspective, here's a guy who purposely tried to ruin my career and in many ways succeeded.

00:51:55.580 I've never done anything to him.

00:51:58.260 I have nothing to apologize to him for.

00:52:00.680 He's one person that I never bumped.

00:52:03.260 I never went on before him when he was on schedule.

00:52:05.680 Always on after him.

00:52:06.700 I don't have any reason to call him.

00:52:11.680 If I did, I would.

00:52:13.080 It would seem disingenuous.

00:52:15.460 From my opinion.

00:52:16.680 Because what would I say?

00:52:18.520 So say you hired me and it's called the David PR firm.

00:52:22.240 Right.

00:52:22.520 I'm your publicist.

00:52:23.420 Right.

00:52:24.060 And I'm your attorney.

00:52:24.940 Yeah.

00:52:25.220 So I'm a guy that got my JD.

00:52:27.160 Tell me something better than the hundreds of thousands of dollars I've spent on guys telling me to do that.

00:52:31.900 Now watch this.

00:52:32.580 We're sitting out.

00:52:33.300 Actually.

00:52:33.500 Yeah.

00:52:33.940 And I'm doing a pro bono.

00:52:35.100 I don't even want your money.

00:52:36.160 Okay.

00:52:36.560 Okay.

00:52:36.940 We're friends.

00:52:37.780 Okay.

00:52:38.000 We went to, you got a four year degree.

00:52:39.160 We went to college together.

00:52:40.040 Right.

00:52:40.460 And we partied together.

00:52:41.540 Right.

00:52:41.640 And we always got along.

00:52:42.860 Right.

00:52:42.960 Right.

00:52:43.200 We went to clubs.

00:52:43.980 We had a blast.

00:52:44.620 We have great stories.

00:52:45.460 We have bad stories on your end.

00:52:46.480 Right.

00:52:46.760 You've seen me hammer plastered.

00:52:48.100 You have to pick me up and put me in the car.

00:52:49.480 Okay.

00:52:49.820 So we're talking.

00:52:50.540 That's who we are, right?

00:52:51.420 Yeah.

00:52:52.200 I say, do you know what, Carlos?

00:52:54.900 You say what?

00:52:56.060 I said, dude, how confident are you that you didn't do any of this stuff?

00:53:02.600 Pat, I'm telling you, I'm 100% confident.

00:53:04.540 Nothing.

00:53:05.200 Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm 100% confident.

00:53:07.760 Bro, if you're that confident, I think you should send out a tweet and say,

00:53:15.600 if Joe is willing to have me on his show and we go live and he wants to bring any other friends that he wants to say that this happened,

00:53:25.900 I'm willing to go on.

00:53:27.540 I've done that through proxies.

00:53:29.760 Not proxies.

00:53:30.780 Public.

00:53:31.640 Oh, I've done that with friends of his that I have befriended.

00:53:36.380 But that's not how to do it, though.

00:53:37.780 If you are that confident in what you're doing, because if you go on Twitter right now and you say,

00:53:44.660 Joe, it's been 15 years.

00:53:47.080 I want to know why you were so mad at me.

00:53:50.020 Right.

00:53:50.240 I'm willing to come ask me any question you want.

00:53:53.480 I have no problem doing that.

00:53:54.620 Have you done that?

00:53:55.400 No.

00:53:55.800 I'd love to see you do it.

00:53:56.800 But I've done it, like I said, through proxies.

00:54:00.060 But this is a big difference.

00:54:01.300 Through friends of his that I befriended and said, hey, reach out to him.

00:54:06.320 It's a big difference.

00:54:06.960 I'll do it.

00:54:07.520 Yeah.

00:54:07.720 Look, I mean, guess where the world wants to see you at?

00:54:10.100 Only one place.

00:54:11.860 I mean, your world only wants to see you.

00:54:13.580 They don't want to see you here.

00:54:14.680 I'm not in your world.

00:54:15.640 Right.

00:54:15.920 I'm just a guy that's, you know, from the outset, I'm running a business guy.

00:54:18.860 I understand.

00:54:19.260 But I tell you, if you send that message out, here's what's going to happen all of a sudden.

00:54:23.100 Next thing you know, like, wait, wait, wait.

00:54:24.440 What did he just say?

00:54:25.460 Right.

00:54:26.020 Now you got 1,000 retweets.

00:54:28.860 2,000.

00:54:29.420 You put it on Instagram.

00:54:30.680 3,000.

00:54:31.820 Tag Joe Rogan.

00:54:33.620 Joe's people are going to contact you.

00:54:35.760 All right.

00:54:36.180 And they're going to say, come on down.

00:54:38.300 Then that's going to get 20 million views.

00:54:40.860 And if he calls you out, the viewers are going to make a decision and they're going to say,

00:54:46.420 shit, you know what?

00:54:48.500 I believe them.

00:54:49.700 Or they're going to say, dude, Rogan called them out on that three things that he knows

00:54:53.720 that nobody else knows.

00:54:55.160 And he finally said, yes, you're right.

00:54:57.520 I did do those three things.

00:54:59.140 And at the end, they shook hands.

00:55:01.200 They walked off.

00:55:02.540 Freaking awesome.

00:55:03.820 Now let's see what we're going to do next.

00:55:05.340 I don't have a problem with that.

00:55:06.260 I think you ought to do it.

00:55:07.120 And again, pro bono.

00:55:08.620 I'm not asking you for anything here.

00:55:10.180 No, no, no.

00:55:10.500 That's a good, that sounds like a good idea.

00:55:11.960 Because I think what that's going to do.

00:55:13.520 I've just kept all that, that kind of stuff.

00:55:15.360 I wouldn't do that.

00:55:16.260 Look, you know, because if you're saying what you're saying, I believe Joe, and I think

00:55:20.920 Joe's a good guy.

00:55:22.480 When I watch his stuff, he's the only content creator that I actually, it's a lot of good

00:55:27.100 content creators.

00:55:27.920 I'm not taking anything away from them.

00:55:29.200 But Joe is somebody that, to me, he's like a, this is going to sound weird, Walter Cronkite

00:55:35.620 with a lot of F-bombs.

00:55:36.760 Because when he gives his opinion, you know what I'm saying when I say Walter Cronkite

00:55:39.880 with a lot of F-bombs?

00:55:40.660 Because Joe is not a Sean Hannity.

00:55:43.060 He's not a Glenn Beck.

00:55:44.100 He's not a Anderson Cooper.

00:55:45.820 He's not a Rachel Maddow.

00:55:48.200 He's just Joe Rogan.

00:55:49.340 Like, dude, this is who I am.

00:55:50.260 I'm not leaning on any stuff politically.

00:55:51.660 He'll have Bernie Sanders come on and say, I like this guy.

00:55:53.460 He'll say Trump is a badass.

00:55:54.540 So you don't even know where this guy's at.

00:55:56.520 So I think, you know, if there's only one place for you to go to do this and hash it,

00:56:01.240 I'd be there.

00:56:02.200 And I think at that point, if there are some things that he says that you screwed up, you

00:56:05.900 say, dude, okay, I'm sorry.

00:56:07.760 You say those magical words to him or his peers.

00:56:11.900 I am telling you right now, if I'm a betting man, I would be willing to bet that 6, 12, 24,

00:56:19.640 36 months later, you got a Netflix special or something like that going on for yourself.

00:56:23.920 And at 55 years old, now you've got another 15-year run rate to go out there.

00:56:27.700 You don't have to worry about it.

00:56:28.520 That sounds like an interesting idea.

00:56:29.600 I am proposing it.

00:56:30.960 Whatever you do.

00:56:32.180 There's another side to that where it just brings up all negative stuff.

00:56:36.220 And, you know, like, you know, that's another thing.

00:56:40.420 What negative stuff?

00:56:42.440 Just all of it, whatever it is.

00:56:44.300 You're talking about negative stuff, Carl.

00:56:45.580 There's no negative here.

00:56:47.260 No, no, no.

00:56:47.720 I'm saying, look, the minute I post that, I'm going to start reading, you know what you did,

00:56:53.140 blah, blah, blah.

00:56:54.180 Don't read it.

00:56:55.160 Don't read it.

00:56:56.100 Listen, I have Jordan Peterson.

00:56:56.660 I'm just telling you what it is.

00:56:57.820 I fully get it.

00:56:59.100 It's hard, dude.

00:57:00.520 I know it is.

00:57:01.300 It's what we do for a living.

00:57:03.160 This is our soul.

00:57:04.380 You're not talking to other people.

00:57:05.940 I wouldn't read any of it.

00:57:07.980 Bro, I would touch it.

00:57:08.880 I would put it, and I wouldn't even look at it.

00:57:11.020 I'm not even going to look at it.

00:57:12.380 I have Jordan Peterson here.

00:57:13.340 I don't know if you know what Jordan Peterson is.

00:57:15.080 Jordan Peterson is clinical psychologist.

00:57:17.320 Is he a clinical psychologist, Toronto professor?

00:57:20.000 One time, the way he became big is he went against transvestites on campus, and he kind

00:57:26.300 of debated it, and he became big, and the next thing you know, he gets a few billion

00:57:29.780 views, and he's a big name.

00:57:31.480 Okay?

00:57:31.660 I've had him a couple times, and we had him at the event.

00:57:35.920 While he's at the event, I ask him a question, and he gets emotional and starts crying.

00:57:39.120 Right.

00:57:39.340 Okay?

00:57:39.600 It's kind of like, whoa, why is this guy getting emotional?

00:57:42.700 Right.

00:57:42.880 Okay.

00:57:43.160 I had him here, and I said, tell me about Twitter.

00:57:47.060 How do you look at Twitter?

00:57:47.880 He says, you know, I've got to tell you, Twitter is very painful.

00:57:50.420 I said, why is it so painful?

00:57:51.780 He says, because, dude, people are vicious.

00:57:55.720 You know, they come out and say stuff that-

00:57:57.420 I stay up for Twitter.

00:57:58.420 And he says, I, when I post, I don't like to look at what people say.

00:58:03.240 So if you're going to commit to doing this, obviously, you know, you're going to have

00:58:05.960 to think about a process, talk to your wife to go this right, because you know, if you

00:58:09.220 do, you're going to get the call, right?

00:58:11.680 I don't know about that.

00:58:12.640 I think you will.

00:58:13.680 Because I think if you don't, I think you're in power play if you do that.

00:58:18.700 You're in the power position.

00:58:20.460 Because if he doesn't, you said I'm out here.

00:58:24.940 I mean, he's not a-

00:58:26.520 But I've done this before.

00:58:29.320 Proxy is not the same way as public, because public, the audience gets behind you.

00:58:32.880 The public, we're getting behind you.

00:58:34.600 We're saying, yeah, we want to see this.

00:58:35.780 Right.

00:58:36.120 Okay, get on.

00:58:36.680 Let's see what's going to happen.

00:58:37.460 Right.

00:58:37.780 And it's like, dude, this is great.

00:58:39.500 You know what?

00:58:40.100 I like the guy.

00:58:41.220 I want to give him a second.

00:58:42.540 I'd go watch his show.

00:58:43.920 Now you start opening up.

00:58:45.140 Sometimes it flips.

00:58:46.100 You know, I had a, sometimes in life, you're the head boss, you're the face, right?

00:58:53.120 And everybody else is kind of hanging off your coattail, right?

00:58:55.920 You know how that is.

00:58:56.880 It's kind of like, oh my gosh, if I hang out with Carlos, I'm going to be doing shows.

00:58:59.640 Of course.

00:58:59.980 It's great.

00:59:00.560 It's awesome to be here.

00:59:02.000 Sometimes life goes like this, and it humbles us, right?

00:59:05.320 And then you're kind of like, damn, I hate this position.

00:59:07.720 No one likes this position, because you were the face.

00:59:09.380 This is not easy.

00:59:10.040 That's a great position.

00:59:11.620 It's a learning position.

00:59:12.700 It is, if you're coming from the standpoint you were saying right now.

00:59:15.800 Of course.

00:59:16.360 Everything's a learning experience.

00:59:17.380 It's beautiful, bro.

00:59:18.040 It's, I wouldn't be the kind of person I am without all these negative things.

00:59:25.240 It's, the hardest part is what's out of your control.

00:59:28.580 That's the part that's, you know, the part that's, look, it's not easy to sit here as

00:59:37.620 somebody who has the integrity to accept my flaws.

00:59:44.040 To hear somebody like you say, well, I believe him, therefore I don't believe you.

00:59:48.460 It's not an easy thing.

00:59:49.560 That's not an easy position to be for somebody like me.

00:59:53.960 Because when I first started doing stand-up, when I first started becoming Carlos, Mitzi

01:00:01.940 Shore said to me, you bleed on stage.

01:00:06.380 And I said, well, what do you mean I bleed on stage?

01:00:09.520 She's like, you're just, that's coming out, that's coming out of your blood, what you're

01:00:14.360 talking about, that passion, that's, you're bleeding on stage.

01:00:17.960 This is what I do.

01:00:19.020 My whole life is built on making people happy, bringing people joy, and having the integrity

01:00:28.080 to look back at who I am and who I've been and accept, you know, things.

01:00:35.480 You know, when that guy said, yeah, whatever, Carlos, fuck him anyway, I don't like him, it

01:00:41.620 hurt, you know?

01:00:42.440 And to be sitting here 15 years after that, you know what I mean?

01:00:49.860 And me not shying away from it, not being evasive about it, not saying, you know what,

01:00:57.240 that happened a long time ago, let's move on, it's done, being completely open about

01:01:01.320 it.

01:01:01.840 It saddens me.

01:01:04.800 It's just, if it wasn't for the fact that I have a show tonight and I'm going to get

01:01:10.740 to purge this feeling that I have right now, this sadness, yeah, I don't know where I would

01:01:21.820 be as a human being.

01:01:23.520 Like, that's how real it is.

01:01:26.820 So, like I said, I've tried everything, but at the end of the day, I have no control over

01:01:36.240 it, and so I must let it go.

01:01:38.980 But, you know, it's not easy to hear.

01:01:41.460 It's not easy to hear.

01:01:42.620 I believe the integrity of others other than you.

01:01:45.340 In a video that had people that have shown to not have integrity, guys like Ari Shafir,

01:01:50.300 who got in trouble recently because of what he did, you know, guys like Steve Renazizi,

01:01:55.500 et cetera, et cetera, you know, these are the people that were accusing me of all this

01:02:00.020 stuff.

01:02:00.120 I'm not talking about Ari, I'm not talking about Steve, I'm talking Joe.

01:02:02.140 No, no, no, I get it, I get it.

01:02:02.560 But I want to say this part to you, I want to say this part to you, hear me out here,

01:02:05.400 I want to say this part to you.

01:02:06.560 I like Antonio Brown's game.

01:02:08.720 You have no idea how much I love his game.

01:02:10.680 This is a guy that's a super talented guy.

01:02:12.760 Right.

01:02:13.520 Steelers, goes to Raiders, clowns Gruden, then goes to Patriots, clowns them.

01:02:20.020 Well, that's not what happened, but with them, he got caught with, you know.

01:02:23.660 The scandal, yeah, okay.

01:02:25.620 But still, he left, he still didn't really give him the love, you owe me this money,

01:02:28.400 you know, all this other stuff.

01:02:29.180 A little bit of controversy.

01:02:29.820 Sure.

01:02:31.280 When I look at Antonio Brown, first thing I posted is, I don't know who the hell is

01:02:36.640 in his ear.

01:02:38.780 Sometimes, who's in our ear.

01:02:40.660 Oh, I completely agree.

01:02:41.680 Either puts fear in us, or makes us, like for example, let's just say if I'm in your

01:02:46.120 ear, you don't know me, you don't, I mean, why would you trust me?

01:02:48.660 We just met right now.

01:02:49.720 Sure.

01:02:49.880 You're not, it's like, if somebody were to say, do you trust Patrick?

01:02:52.480 I don't know, the guy just met him right now.

01:02:53.880 It's not like we go friend and we're best friends in high school, okay.

01:02:57.360 But, sometimes I have people in my life, personal life, very close, blood close.

01:03:05.280 Right.

01:03:05.420 There's a big difference, right?

01:03:06.340 And they say, yeah, bro, let me tell you, man.

01:03:09.980 You know, I wouldn't do it.

01:03:10.700 I would tell him this, and there was no way in the world.

01:03:12.800 In that moment, you think you're more loyal to this guy than a stranger that's telling

01:03:19.860 you better feedback.

01:03:21.400 Right.

01:03:21.780 Than what this is telling you sometimes.

01:03:23.200 Right.

01:03:23.380 So, you're like, yeah, bro, you know, I only got five people that have my, in my back,

01:03:28.160 that have my back.

01:03:29.560 I don't know who's in your ear.

01:03:31.340 It's none of my business.

01:03:32.280 I don't know who is.

01:03:33.220 Nobody.

01:03:33.720 I don't know who's giving you counsel.

01:03:35.560 Back in those days, a bunch of people.

01:03:37.380 Yeah, dude, I get that.

01:03:38.260 A bunch of crisis management, people who all said the same thing.

01:03:41.940 Some of the best people giving you counsel are people that you don't pay, by the way.

01:03:44.060 I got you.

01:03:44.860 Some of the best people that you take counsel are people that you don't pay.

01:03:47.460 No, listen.

01:03:48.260 Because they're just kind of like, dude, here's what I would say, right?

01:03:51.080 All I'm saying to you is, I'm not calling you a liar, bro.

01:03:55.000 All I'm saying to you is, I don't know who's in your ear.

01:03:58.340 And whatever way you're processing the decision, if you think you're right, I suggest take the

01:04:04.920 strategy and go see what happens.

01:04:07.120 If you don't, then don't.

01:04:09.600 It is all good.

01:04:10.280 Maybe if you don't want to go back into it.

01:04:11.820 But all I know is, some tells me that the upside reward is bigger with that approach than

01:04:21.960 the current approach.

01:04:23.040 Something tells me.

01:04:24.060 And I'm not saying to you, go in there and say, bro, do you just want me to tell you

01:04:26.980 that I did this?

01:04:27.520 I did this.

01:04:27.960 I don't.

01:04:28.160 No, I'm not saying that.

01:04:29.080 I'm not saying that.

01:04:30.100 I'm just saying the feud started with two guys.

01:04:32.840 If you go out there and you say, here's what happened.

01:04:34.920 You guys sit down, you hash it out.

01:04:36.980 Then the viewer can say, I don't agree with Carlos.

01:04:39.320 I agree with Joe.

01:04:40.160 Here's the thing, just listen.

01:04:43.260 Most people don't know how that video came to be, right?

01:04:48.020 That video came to be because when Joe was on stage, he was introducing a friend of mine

01:04:55.640 who opened for me at the time.

01:04:58.020 And he said, this guy opens for Carlos Manstelia, right?

01:05:02.020 So I went on stage and I said, hey, bro, if you're going to call me that, what joke of

01:05:05.700 yours did I steal?

01:05:07.000 This is the kind of person that I am, the kind of person that I've been.

01:05:10.720 I didn't run from the moment, shy from the moment.

01:05:14.160 I literally went up on stage with arrogance, but not arrogance, with my cockiness, but

01:05:22.140 with a sense of humility of, hey, what did I take from you that you're this mad at me?

01:05:29.060 And that's how it started.

01:05:31.360 I've never said anything bad about the guy.

01:05:33.520 Never tried to hurt the guy in any way.

01:05:35.860 Never done anything.

01:05:37.260 And there have been moments.

01:05:38.780 But it's, look, if you don't, if you believe him, then it's obvious that you don't believe

01:05:47.300 me because we're on opposite ends.

01:05:48.640 It's okay.

01:05:49.140 I'm just telling you that it's being the kind of person that I am and as open as I am,

01:05:54.460 it's difficult because people want to believe what they want to believe.

01:06:00.100 And, no, listen, it's true.

01:06:02.780 For whatever reason it is, I'm smart enough to know that an apology in some way, shape,

01:06:08.600 or form would negate a lot of this stuff.

01:06:10.700 And I would love to do that.

01:06:12.020 But my integrity won't let me because what these guys are accusing me of is not anything

01:06:19.600 I did.

01:06:20.860 Even when somebody would say, oh, well, you just changed the joke a little bit.

01:06:25.520 It's like, well, I don't understand.

01:06:28.320 What do you mean I changed the joke?

01:06:30.600 So this is a different joke?

01:06:32.320 I don't get it.

01:06:33.280 Like, all I can do is maintain the integrity.

01:06:39.640 Not only do I record all the shows, but at the end of every single show I do, you can

01:06:47.720 get a copy of the show that you saw.

01:06:49.660 So everything I've ever done is not even within my realm.

01:06:54.180 It's out there.

01:06:55.600 Like, people have this stuff.

01:06:57.420 I've been recording shows since back in the day when I would record on a little thing

01:07:01.120 called that, a small little audio recorder like that.

01:07:04.620 I would then take it home.

01:07:06.440 I would put it onto cassettes and mail those cassettes to people.

01:07:10.620 That's how long ago I've been doing that.

01:07:12.360 So my material has been out there for 30 years.

01:07:18.760 I, you know, that's where I lie.

01:07:21.720 And, you know, you get to a point where you, I've gotten to a point where it feels at times

01:07:33.460 futile.

01:07:33.960 And this is why, you know, I've had to go to therapy because there have been moments where

01:07:39.020 this sadness is so, so just resounding.

01:07:43.100 And that voice in my head saying, just, you know, say you're sorry and move on.

01:07:50.060 And it says, I can't for that.

01:07:52.900 I can say, I'm sorry I bumped you.

01:07:54.900 I'm sorry I didn't think about you.

01:07:56.660 I'm sorry that I went on long.

01:07:57.880 I'm sorry that your mom was there or somebody was there and they didn't get to see you.

01:08:01.560 I can do that and know that that was painful for these guys.

01:08:05.980 Part of me is like, that's what happened to me.

01:08:10.360 I feel like, I feel like the guy who got hazed and then the year after I didn't get

01:08:16.240 to haze anybody because it was not appropriate anymore.

01:08:19.740 But, you know, at a certain point, I just, I don't know what to do, you know what I mean?

01:08:28.660 Other than just deal with it and move on.

01:08:31.740 And, you know, it's nothing that I've, I don't even, I'm lost for words.

01:08:36.720 I don't even, I don't even know how to, I don't even know how to answer.

01:08:39.800 I don't even know how to feel.

01:08:40.760 It's just, it's a, it's a deep, deep, deep sorrow, man.

01:08:43.920 It really is.

01:08:44.660 So let me ask you, are you pretty comfortable posting that on Twitter, Instagram, or social

01:08:49.720 media or no?

01:08:50.540 Right now just talking about it?

01:08:51.420 Sure, of course.

01:08:51.840 Okay.

01:08:52.260 So you're comfortable.

01:08:52.700 I don't have a problem with that.

01:08:53.420 Okay.

01:08:53.800 No.

01:08:53.940 I would be so curious to see what's going to happen with that.

01:08:57.560 Not at all.

01:08:58.340 No, because like I said, look, I have never, ever, ever tried to escape this because I

01:09:09.280 was fully aware that as a young comic, I was guys that you don't know.

01:09:13.720 I was Charles Cozart.

01:09:15.240 I was Steve Greenlee.

01:09:16.980 I was John Caponera.

01:09:19.140 I can tell you the names.

01:09:21.240 I know these guys, right?

01:09:22.180 You know, I, I wasn't doing their jokes.

01:09:26.260 I was them, you know, um, I, I have no problem.

01:09:31.460 It's just outside of that when you've been told by many, many people who supposedly know

01:09:39.420 better than you, just let it go, let it be, and you let it go and you let it be, you know,

01:09:44.940 and 15 years later, this interview happens, you just kind of sit back and go, what the

01:09:53.460 fuck do I need to do?

01:09:54.880 Like, I've answered every question that's ever been posed to me from every single angle of

01:10:01.020 all of this stuff.

01:10:02.880 And it has never been enough for a certain segment of society.

01:10:06.060 And listen, uh, last week, some guy in Houston said, uh, whose jokes are you going to do?

01:10:15.780 So I said, well, come and see me perform and I'll give you two tickets.

01:10:21.440 And he says, what do you expect?

01:10:23.320 I said, nothing.

01:10:23.920 Just tell the world what you see.

01:10:25.780 And after that, didn't hear anything.

01:10:29.760 Uh, no positive, no negative.

01:10:31.460 He didn't say, yeah, he did it, but he also didn't say I was wrong.

01:10:36.100 It was great.

01:10:36.600 It was funny.

01:10:37.380 You know, this, this is, this is the futility that I go through and I feel when moments like

01:10:44.400 this happen, I, I approach this from an open standpoint.

01:10:48.440 I always have.

01:10:50.460 That's good.

01:10:51.160 But the fact that this keeps coming back and in this respect, you know, I just feel like

01:10:56.600 your idea seems good.

01:10:58.800 I don't know.

01:10:59.080 I, I've never wanted to, so to speak, stir the pot in that respect.

01:11:02.860 So I've kept that part of it.

01:11:04.840 Like, Hey, I'd love to be on the show and talk about anything that wants to be talked

01:11:09.060 about as long as we can be open about everything, about everything, all the stuff, whatever personal

01:11:18.160 stuff happened, all of it, then I'm, I'm okay with it.

01:11:21.600 But, you know, I've gotten no response other than, um, other than, well, he's, I think what

01:11:31.680 I was told was he'd shake your hand right now if, you know, you guys were at a club or

01:11:37.600 something like that.

01:11:38.240 I'd be like, okay, but from my perspective, look at it from my perspective, I'm being accused

01:11:47.520 of something that I can't defend from him.

01:11:50.740 Um, and when I go to others, I don't get back.

01:11:54.240 Like, so this, this, this is somebody that has literally started his podcasts by making

01:12:00.660 me an issue, you know, about talking about me, bringing me up.

01:12:06.800 This is, this was in way, way, way, way back in the beginning.

01:12:09.440 I was a big part of that, the negative aspect of me.

01:12:12.680 And so I, I've never said anything bad, therefore, I don't know what to say outside of your idea

01:12:21.740 is an interesting idea.

01:12:23.240 I actually think it would, it would be, it would, it would be a...

01:12:26.060 Do I, do I have a problem with that?

01:12:27.600 I think it'd be a hit.

01:12:28.620 None whatsoever.

01:12:29.660 I think it'd be a hit because either way, you don't lose.

01:12:36.880 Right.

01:12:38.060 Either way, you don't lose.

01:12:39.300 Sounds interesting.

01:12:40.100 Yeah.

01:12:40.280 He doesn't respond.

01:12:41.480 You don't lose.

01:12:42.000 He responds.

01:12:43.020 You win.

01:12:43.700 Right.

01:12:44.020 So you go and you sit down.

01:12:45.900 Okay.

01:12:46.260 I'm sure he's going to call you out on some stuff where we're going to say, come on, Carlos.

01:12:49.820 And you're going to see, you know, I believe Joe here.

01:12:52.160 And then there's going to be somebody that's going to say, Joe, maybe you're pushing too

01:12:54.360 much in this area.

01:12:55.180 Then you're going to get some fan base.

01:12:57.460 But either way, look, I mean, you've seen Tyson biting Evander.

01:13:02.240 Okay.

01:13:03.000 Dude, when they sat down, it's like, that was awesome.

01:13:05.780 When you saw Magic and Isaiah Thomas.

01:13:09.500 Magic was a big part.

01:13:11.920 And obviously Jordan didn't have Isaiah be on the dream team because you know why.

01:13:14.920 You know the story.

01:13:15.540 I mean, it's a, you walk out and you don't even shake our hands after we beat you.

01:13:18.720 All these years I was shaking.

01:13:19.700 Yeah.

01:13:19.780 You don't want to shake my hand.

01:13:20.580 Okay.

01:13:20.720 I'm not doing this.

01:13:21.400 Right.

01:13:21.700 Right.

01:13:21.880 But Magic also politically was able to hurt Isaiah a little bit because, you know, Isaiah

01:13:27.820 was talking about the fact that Magic, you know, they had some issues with his health.

01:13:31.180 When they did their sit down, Isaiah got emotional.

01:13:34.260 Dude, eyeballs.

01:13:35.800 Isaiah's got jobs.

01:13:36.580 Well, he kissed him, remember, on the cheek on that one.

01:13:38.300 Yeah.

01:13:38.680 It was emotional.

01:13:39.540 Yeah.

01:13:39.820 But you know who won?

01:13:41.900 Guess who won?

01:13:42.680 Fans won.

01:13:43.540 Sure.

01:13:43.980 And Isaiah was like, dude, I got a thousand pounds off my back.

01:13:46.580 And Magic's like, look, man, I'm sorry as well.

01:13:48.620 So you kind of saw a little bit of both.

01:13:51.320 I don't know.

01:13:52.180 I just, you know, when you think about controversy with Joe, his top controversy is who?

01:13:58.380 You.

01:13:59.480 Right.

01:13:59.720 It's not the fear factor.

01:14:00.960 It's you.

01:14:01.480 You're at the top.

01:14:02.180 Okay.

01:14:02.540 Well, there you go.

01:14:03.300 This is an opportunity.

01:14:04.940 And I'm not from America.

01:14:07.240 I wasn't born here.

01:14:07.780 I was born in Iran and lived there 10 years, two years in Germany at a refugee camp.

01:14:11.180 But America is a place that forgives.

01:14:15.560 That's why this is such a beautiful place.

01:14:18.140 Completely compare.

01:14:18.860 Forgives.

01:14:19.480 Completely compare.

01:14:19.680 And then after that, you know, if and when this happens and everything takes place,

01:14:26.020 you and I will get on the phone and I'll say, so how are you feeling?

01:14:28.920 Then, you know, hey, Pat, this kind of ended up working out.

01:14:31.140 Great.

01:14:31.440 Awesome.

01:14:31.720 And if it didn't, it just goes on.

01:14:33.640 And you move on and do your thing.

01:14:35.140 Yeah.

01:14:35.440 But I just think.

01:14:36.380 No different than any other day.

01:14:37.660 Exactly.

01:14:38.180 That's what I'm saying to you.

01:14:38.940 But the upside is way too big to not want to.

01:14:42.380 I'm going to process it.

01:14:43.140 Yeah.

01:14:43.460 I don't want to stir negativity, but it sounds worded properly.

01:14:51.460 It's not like an interesting aspect.

01:14:52.100 Take a week and simmer on it.

01:14:53.800 Take a week and simmer on it.

01:14:54.960 I wouldn't do it tonight.

01:14:56.820 I wouldn't do it.

01:14:57.220 I would just take a week.

01:14:58.080 No, of course not.

01:14:58.580 And just go process it.

01:14:59.480 I'm very emotional.

01:15:00.220 Babe, what do you think?

01:15:01.380 And then you do it, you do it.

01:15:03.180 You don't, you don't.

01:15:04.060 But I'm just glad we were able to have this conversation.

01:15:06.880 You know, for me, it was more kind of like I'm sitting.

01:15:08.720 I'm like, you know what?

01:15:09.860 I just want to talk to Carlos.

01:15:11.340 And I want to know how he's going to respond to my idea.

01:15:13.320 That's when we reached out.

01:15:14.360 I said, I don't know if he's going to come on or not.

01:15:17.340 Because here's a guy that he interviews some presidents and Kobe and these guys.

01:15:21.800 What if he asked me some tough questions?

01:15:23.360 And he's got mobsters on.

01:15:24.880 He's got all this other stuff.

01:15:25.780 But if Carlos says yes, we're going to have a good time together.

01:15:27.980 And I've got to tell you, I had a blast with you, man.

01:15:30.140 Thanks, man.

01:15:30.900 Seriously, I had a blast with you.

01:15:32.100 What time are you performing tonight, by the way?

01:15:34.000 I think 8 o'clock.

01:15:34.980 What time is it right now?

01:15:36.780 6 o'clock.

01:15:37.400 6 o'clock?

01:15:38.240 Okay.

01:15:39.980 I am going to, today's what day?

01:15:42.660 Today is Thursday.

01:15:44.120 I'm going to come tonight.

01:15:45.240 I'm going to come show up tonight.

01:15:46.760 And I'm going to come watch you to show support.

01:15:49.000 And maybe a couple of us go there to show support.

01:15:51.180 I said we go there tonight to show support.

01:15:53.020 I like redemption stories.

01:15:54.500 And I'd love to see this one take place.

01:15:56.240 I think there's an opportunity for the world of comedy.

01:16:00.120 If, you know, some stuff happens later on, some people are going to look back and look

01:16:03.380 at you and say, wow, you know, hey, can I call you?

01:16:05.480 And you become that counsel for some of the younger guys coming up.

01:16:08.280 I think it creates a different, I know you have been, but I think at a larger scale,

01:16:11.620 that also brings more money to you and you're able to enjoy life.

01:16:14.720 Because when you're 52, I remember one time a singer once said, Dariush, I'm at a concert

01:16:22.940 and he's singing this song.

01:16:25.420 And Dariush in Iran was known as a guy that was using a lot of drugs.

01:16:29.700 And in Iran, you know, when you were drugging Iran, you didn't admit to it.

01:16:35.240 Right.

01:16:35.400 It's not like, you know, like, hey, I smoke weed.

01:16:37.840 It's not like America.

01:16:38.920 I have some Persian friends.

01:16:39.820 Yeah.

01:16:40.020 So you know how they are, right?

01:16:40.920 From back in the day.

01:16:41.320 So it's a lot of pride, right?

01:16:42.320 So he didn't want to say it.

01:16:43.440 Dude, one day, this guy gets up and he says, I freaking used everything.

01:16:51.360 Right.

01:16:52.300 He's got 4 million fans on Facebook.

01:16:54.940 Right.

01:16:55.620 He goes to a place, sells, everybody shows up and he's on stage performing.

01:17:01.980 Right.

01:17:02.160 I just had a surgery at the time.

01:17:03.820 I had lost my voice for six months and I did a surgery.

01:17:07.020 They thought it was cancer, but it was benign.

01:17:08.480 They cut and a doctor said, you can't talk.

01:17:10.360 So my brother-in-law calls me, see how I'm at?

01:17:11.980 And he says, I want to take you to this concert.

01:17:13.900 I said, great, let's go.

01:17:15.960 And he sings a few songs and he pauses.

01:17:18.560 He's a very low-key, almost like a depressing love song of how much he misses Iran.

01:17:24.840 Nothing is like, yeah, you know, dancing.

01:17:26.400 Right.

01:17:26.860 So he says, I have to apologize to you guys.

01:17:29.000 He says, because I never wrote music that was played at happy places like weddings.

01:17:35.920 He says, I wish I would have been more invited to weddings.

01:17:38.180 Right.

01:17:38.900 Unfortunately, my songs were more played during, you know, sorrow, times of difference.

01:17:44.160 Then he says, if there's any advice I can give you guys for the people here that are 30s, 40s, 20s,

01:17:50.940 he says, just make sure the young wolf in you takes care of the old wolf you'll one day be.

01:17:57.400 He says, because I'm an old wolf now.

01:17:59.080 I don't have the level of ambition I had when I was younger.

01:18:01.600 Right.

01:18:01.840 Just make sure you take care of the old you.

01:18:04.600 My suggestion to you is to take care of the 72-year-old Carlos Mencia.

01:18:08.820 That's all it is, man.

01:18:10.120 Like I said, I've been trying to, bro.

01:18:13.000 And I'm glad you're doing that.

01:18:15.080 I think it's, I've had a lot of friends who have gone through some challenging times and therapies helped a ton.

01:18:20.700 And stopped me from suicide.

01:18:22.700 That's the biggest part that you're saying that.

01:18:25.100 Biggest part, that it's worked for you.

01:18:27.120 Yeah, it has.

01:18:27.740 That it's worked for you.

01:18:28.920 But, again, appreciate you for coming out.

01:18:30.440 I'm going to come and join you tonight.

01:18:31.940 You're more than welcome.

01:18:32.440 And I'm looking forward to laughing because when you tell jokes, I laugh.

01:18:37.020 So I want to laugh a little bit tonight.

01:18:38.340 Appreciate it.

01:18:38.760 And maybe we'll get a chance to spend some time together after the show.

01:18:41.100 Sure.

01:18:41.600 Buddy, thanks for coming out, man.

01:18:42.680 Anytime, man.

01:18:43.060 Thank you.

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Valuetainment - April 24, 2020

Episode 459： Carlos Mencia Heated Interview with Patrick Bet-David

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