Valuetainment - Episode 474： David Icke - Conspiracy Theorist or Journalist？

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00:00:24.040 Today I'm sitting down with somebody who calls himself a conspiracy journalist.

00:00:28.000 Many call him a conspiracy theorist.

00:00:30.400 Let's just say he believes in some things that are made out of movies, but he tells it in

00:00:34.780 a way that's very convincing.

00:00:36.240 I'd be curious to know what you think about this.

00:00:38.180 It's the one and only David Icke.

00:00:39.800 David, thank you for being a guest on Valuetainment.

00:00:42.000 Real pleasure.

00:00:42.660 Thank you.

00:00:43.280 Yeah, I'm a conspiracy researcher.

00:00:45.920 Conspiracy theorist and conspiracy theory were actually brought into widespread use in the

00:00:51.300 modern world by the CIA.

00:00:53.220 In 1967, they put out a document.

00:00:56.480 You can still find it on the internet, to the mainstream media in America, urging them

00:01:01.560 to refer to those that were questioning the Kennedy assassination official story, to refer

00:01:07.520 to them as conspiracy theorists, basically propagating a conspiracy theory.

00:01:14.080 And all these years later, you have the mainstream media all over the world coming out with this

00:01:19.200 conspiracy theorist.

00:01:20.200 It's just a conspiracy theory with not a clue that the CIA was responsible for putting that

00:01:26.640 into widespread use.

00:01:27.880 Just a form of discrediting people.

00:01:29.920 See, when you think about it, if you look at the dictionary definition of a conspiracy,

00:01:34.520 conspiracy, and you will well know with your background, there are laws against conspiracy.

00:01:41.800 So if they don't exist, well, why have laws against them?

00:01:44.900 But if you look at the dictionary definition of a conspiracy, it's just two or more people

00:01:51.400 conspiring to bring about a particular end, often illegal.

00:01:56.240 And on that basis, we're drowning in conspiracies.

00:02:00.460 But I'm not seeing conspiracies everywhere.

00:02:04.500 This is the point.

00:02:05.720 I'm seeing one conspiracy with infinite numbers of masks of that same conspiracy.

00:02:13.540 And so one of the things that I'm called is a dot connector because that's what I do.

00:02:19.120 I connect dots, which on the surface don't appear to connect.

00:02:24.800 But if you go deeper into the shadows, if you like, deeper into the web, they all connect.

00:02:31.760 And I'm sure we'll get around to that today.

00:02:34.580 So, you know, before we get into that, I have a little bit more.

00:02:36.940 I want to know you a little bit more, if you don't mind.

00:02:39.300 I want to know more about who David Icke was in high school.

00:02:42.440 If you and I were in high school together, you're 15 years old, 16 years old.

00:02:47.140 We're friends, we're classmates, we play sports.

00:02:50.120 I'm sure we'd have gotten very well, by the way.

00:02:52.500 Yeah.

00:02:53.720 Who was David Icke?

00:02:54.800 Who was David Icke in high school?

00:02:56.180 Well, I was born in a place called Leicester in the English Midlands in what we call in

00:03:02.480 Britain a working class background, which is just basically another way of saying we had no money.

00:03:09.380 And in my early years, I just wanted to be a professional soccer player.

00:03:14.960 That was my focus throughout my childhood.

00:03:18.480 And as a series of, you know, strange coincidences, which have been the story of my life, they

00:03:28.060 unfolded.

00:03:28.860 I became a professional footballer.

00:03:30.560 But then at 21, I finished with rheumatoid arthritis, very rare at that age.

00:03:37.100 And one of the other things that I'd loved and been passionate about in my childhood was journalism.

00:03:43.500 And I used to read papers vociferously, even as a kid.

00:03:47.180 So I left football and became a journalist, started on newspapers, then went into radio.

00:03:53.620 And then I became a national TV presenter, news and sport, mostly sport in the end, with

00:04:00.540 the BBC.

00:04:02.180 And then I, another series of amazing coincidences, you know, I won't go into it now.

00:04:07.640 I ended up as a national speaker or national, quote, leader of the British Green Party for

00:04:13.500 a short time, until I had a series of extraordinary, if you like, paranormal experiences, which put

00:04:20.600 me on the journey that I'm still on.

00:04:23.340 This was 30 years ago.

00:04:24.880 And what started to happen in my life in the most extraordinary way, and it's still going

00:04:29.460 on, is that purely by the, if you like, the synchronicity of life, I was coming across more

00:04:39.140 and more layers and layers and layers and layers of information.

00:04:43.000 This is from about 1991, that the world was not run by the forces that we thought it was

00:04:48.700 run by.

00:04:49.940 And I started to put together through the books more and more information, dot-connected information,

00:04:59.460 about who did run the world and to what, to what end, to what outcome, to what end game.

00:05:07.540 And for a long time, of course, people say, oh, yeah, rubbish, mate.

00:05:12.440 But as the years have passed, more and more that's been in my books back in the 1990s is

00:05:20.740 being read on the television news, never more so than current events, by the way.

00:05:25.140 And so more and more people have gone, hold on a minute.

00:05:27.740 This bloke said this would happen.

00:05:29.160 This bloke said that would happen.

00:05:30.980 And my books are packed with things that have been proved correct.

00:05:35.940 Now, why is that?

00:05:37.120 Not because I've sat in a darkened room pulling it from the ether, but because there is an agenda

00:05:45.520 for the world run by what I call the cult, which operates in every country.

00:05:51.760 It just has no borders.

00:05:53.860 And if you can uncover this projected agenda for the world, you can predict the future if

00:06:01.180 nothing intervenes to stop the agenda unfolding.

00:06:04.920 And that's what has been happening.

00:06:07.320 Or, you know, I've been predicting the future and it's turned out to be correct, but only

00:06:11.140 because I've uncovered the projected agenda and nothing yet has intervened to stop it.

00:06:15.520 Now, if you go further back, because this is a long projected agenda for reasons we could

00:06:20.300 maybe get into, you go back to Aldous Huxley with Brave New World, published in 1932.

00:06:26.000 Why was he so incredibly accurate about current events?

00:06:30.680 Why was George Orwell in 1948 with his 1984 so unbelievably accurate with current events?

00:06:40.000 Why is a guy that I've quoted in my books a number of times, a guy called Dr. Richard Day,

00:06:47.140 a big Rockefeller family insider, he spoke to a meeting of pediatricians in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

00:06:53.860 in 1969 and shocked them by saying, turn off recording equipment, don't take notes,

00:07:00.780 because I'm going to tell you how the world's going to change.

00:07:03.700 And no one knows why he did it.

00:07:05.120 I'm glad he did because of the information that he's allowed me to have access to.

00:07:10.000 But what he said in 1969, which is only 20 years after Orwell's 1984, is absolutely extraordinary,

00:07:18.140 not just in theme, but in detail.

00:07:19.940 This guy said in 1969, he described the internet, which was supposedly created in the 80s.

00:07:28.060 And he said that one of the plans is we're going to make boys and girls the same,

00:07:34.280 but we are going to inoculate people with diseases and so on and so forth.

00:07:40.520 And how, and this is just totally in line with the research I've got from all over the world.

00:07:48.340 I've been to 60 countries researching this.

00:07:50.440 He said, we're going to take over with a world government dictating to the whole planet.

00:07:59.680 And the idea and what current events are leading us to, it's so fast, is what's been in my books for decades.

00:08:10.380 What I call the Hunger Games Society.

00:08:12.740 This is the outcome that they want.

00:08:14.380 And once you know the outcome, you can see the journey.

00:08:17.280 Know the outcome, you'll see the journey.

00:08:19.020 Don't know the outcome.

00:08:20.840 These events that become clear when you know the outcome are just random and bewildering of what's happening.

00:08:27.100 So it's to create what I call the Hunger Games Society, where you have, if you think of a pyramid,

00:08:34.440 at the top of the pyramid, you've got a tiny few people, which we now have a name for, the 1%.

00:08:40.140 And if you look at how a handful of people now have the same wealth as the poorest half of the population,

00:08:49.280 you can see the 1% ain't kidding.

00:08:51.960 At the bottom, and this has been in my books for decades, by the way, never mind current events.

00:08:55.900 At the bottom of this pyramid is pretty much the rest of humanity in deprivation, and this is the word, in dependency on the 1%,

00:09:07.640 because they don't have independent income.

00:09:10.080 Amazing.

00:09:10.480 I'm saying this in current events.

00:09:12.500 This has been in my books for a long, long time.

00:09:15.280 And between the 1% and the rest of the population, pretty much, is designed to be, again, as I've been saying for decades,

00:09:25.000 a vicious police military state to impose the will of the 1% upon the population and to stop the population rebelling against the 1%.

00:09:36.920 And just to finish the point, this pyramid structure, the Hunger Games Society, again, has been saying it for so long,

00:09:45.620 is designed to be run not by elected politicians, but by technocrats.

00:09:50.680 It's called a technocracy, which is defined as a society run by bureaucrats, experts, engineers, scientists, and not elected people.

00:10:00.380 Silicon Valley, getting more and more control of world events, witness Bill Gates in relation to current events,

00:10:07.520 is all part of this technocracy unfolding.

00:10:10.220 And key to it is that this society is run by artificial intelligence.

00:10:17.360 And you've got people like Ray Kurzweil, another technocrat, an executive of Google,

00:10:24.260 who has openly said that around the year 2030, a year that comes up from so many different directions,

00:10:33.300 in so many different areas of subject, that by 2030, humans will start to have their brains connected to AI.

00:10:41.740 AI, and in his own words, and I'm summarizing, once that connection's made, more and more thinking will be done by AI

00:10:53.700 until human thinking, as we currently know it, is basically negligible.

00:10:57.880 Now, if you look at that, mate, and then you look at the consequences of current events,

00:11:05.280 then you can see that that Hunger Games society is vastly closer now than it was only weeks ago

00:11:14.780 when this whole virus hysteria began.

00:11:17.380 David, I want to go to that part and spend the majority of time talking about that.

00:11:23.500 A couple of things I do want to do.

00:11:24.720 Obviously, I spoke to my attorneys.

00:11:27.680 My attorneys recommended I not do this interview for obvious reasons.

00:11:33.420 Attorneys are there to say no, especially media attorneys, in my experience.

00:11:38.840 Oh, you don't need to tell me that.

00:11:40.280 I mean, I've had plenty of views with attorneys, and plenty of times I've wasted money with attorneys.

00:11:44.260 I wish if you can listen to the conversations I've had with attorneys, that could be a whole episode by itself.

00:11:49.860 But to manage expectations, I listen to your stuff, and the way I work with a lot of theories or conspiracies

00:11:56.720 or any of that stuff for somebody that grew up in Iran in the revolution, I'm a revolution baby,

00:12:02.040 and they didn't want to talk about the influence of Jimmy Carter with Iran, Kissinger.

00:12:07.000 I don't need to go into the whole thing.

00:12:08.320 You kind of have the history of what happened to Iran.

00:12:10.080 And CIA, 30 years later, comes out with Argo and says, yes, this was kind of taking place.

00:12:14.960 Here's kind of what was going on.

00:12:16.500 And they used the movie to tell us the story.

00:12:18.680 So I'm not the one that says there isn't some weight behind what's being said.

00:12:23.160 But I'm also not the one that says 100%, oh, my gosh, just makes sense.

00:12:26.640 I watch a video.

00:12:27.340 I'm good.

00:12:27.640 I'm the one that wants to go do research.

00:12:29.620 So to manage expectation, I want to share with everybody what are some things you've said in the past,

00:12:34.200 and then what are some things we're going to talk about here today.

00:12:36.940 And I'd like to ask you about some conspiracies.

00:12:39.900 And then we go into 5G coronavirus, and we can talk about that as well.

00:12:45.600 Okay.

00:12:46.380 For the majority part of this entire thing.

00:12:48.260 All right.

00:12:48.640 Now, you know, you've said a lot of things that have come true,

00:12:52.560 and you've said some things that haven't come true.

00:12:54.840 For example, this is what you said that did come true.

00:12:57.200 You said in January 1999, between 2000 and 2002, the United States will suffer a major attack on a large city.

00:13:06.000 9-11 happened.

00:13:07.120 You said that.

00:13:08.280 It happened.

00:13:09.440 That gives some credibility to say, how could somebody like you get something like that right?

00:13:14.700 Now, at the same time, you said the world will end in 1997.

00:13:18.920 And by the way, you can correctly go through all of these.

00:13:21.560 Also, you said on a show with Terry Wogan back in April 29, 1991, which, by the way, I believe that's also your birthday, April 29.

00:13:27.860 I don't know if you knew that was the day of your birthday.

00:13:30.560 No, I didn't.

00:13:31.000 I didn't, actually, no.

00:13:32.380 You were on him on April 29.

00:13:34.100 It was your birthday.

00:13:35.000 That was the day it aired, by the way, FYI.

00:13:37.460 And he had you there.

00:13:39.220 You had your turquoise outfit.

00:13:40.540 I kind of like your second outfit more with the all black when you were there on 2006, I believe.

00:13:45.280 All right.

00:13:45.440 But you said the challenge started off with you're the son of God and the world will be ending that year.

00:13:52.200 You were 38 years old at that time.

00:13:53.900 And I've made some comments myself.

00:13:55.860 And I've evolved and I've changed.

00:13:57.280 And I've got a lot more things that have improved in my views.

00:14:01.260 You've also talked heavily about I'm Assyrian.

00:14:04.920 So Babylonian and Assyrian, they're very close to each other.

00:14:07.800 And so you've also talked about the reptilian leaders in the world, whether it's the Clintons, whether it's the Obamas, whether it's all that other stuff.

00:14:17.100 And there's 12 million people that believe in that theory.

00:14:19.320 So you're not alone in that one.

00:14:20.440 There's 4% of America that believes in that.

00:14:22.580 So to put everything here, we also have to know that in the past, you've said some stuff that has thrown people off and some stuff that have not become a reality.

00:14:32.000 I just want to make sure the viewer knows that.

00:14:33.840 Okay.

00:14:34.560 Okay.

00:14:34.980 Well, let me talk about that.

00:14:36.160 What you're talking about is pre-1992 and since.

00:14:44.420 And since 1992, my books have been phenomenally accurate.

00:14:51.340 This is why vast numbers of people are looking at my stuff now.

00:14:55.720 Because I've been so accurate year on year on year with events.

00:15:00.420 But of course, what I've been uncovering is the same conspiracy, the same agenda that Aldous Huxley was talking about and Orwell was talking about.

00:15:12.220 Same thing.

00:15:13.140 I'm just a modern day version of uncovering it and uncovering it on a greater scale.

00:15:17.960 So let's go back before 1992 and let's just very quickly look at what happened to me and why all that Wogan stuff happened.

00:15:27.680 So I was a journalist with the BBC, I was a national spokesman for the British Green Party.

00:15:36.480 And then during 1989, I had a gathering strange experience happened to me.

00:15:46.520 I'm working for the BBC, I'm a national spokesman for the Green Party.

00:15:51.960 But when I was in a room alone, it felt like I wasn't alone, like there was like a presence there, something I'd not experienced before.

00:16:01.000 And through 1989, this presence got stronger and stronger and stronger until I sat on a bed in an empty hotel room in early 1990, actually March 1990.

00:16:17.020 And I said out into the room, if there's something there, would you please contact me because you're driving me up the bloody wall.

00:16:22.840 And a few days later, I was in a news shop, sells newspapers and gifts and tourist stuff.

00:16:33.220 And I, long story short, I felt myself, it was, what I know it was now is I was surrounded by an electromagnetic field and it felt really strange.

00:16:49.100 It felt like my feet were being pulled magnetically to the ground and what passed through my mind, it wasn't a voice, it was a very strong thought.

00:16:59.400 It said, go and look at the books on the far side.

00:17:02.460 Now, I knew this new shop and I knew that the books were all romantic novels, not my scene.

00:17:08.240 You'd sell them to the tourists. I live at the seaside place.

00:17:10.760 So, I walk over, bewildered, thinking, what the hell is going on?

00:17:15.800 And I saw a book in among the novels and it was a book called Mind to Mind by a lady called Betty Shine.

00:17:22.100 And I was attracted to it because it was different to the others.

00:17:25.060 And I turned it over and in the blurb, I saw that this was a book, almost a biography, by a professional psychic in England,

00:17:37.600 which I had never heard of at the time, called Betty Shine.

00:17:40.380 So, very quickly, I read the blurb and I thought, I wonder if she, because I've never been to a psychic before in my life,

00:17:46.860 I wonder if she would be able to pick up what I'm feeling around me for the last year.

00:17:52.700 So, I went to see her and I, you know, my football career had finished with Ask Writers.

00:17:56.980 And what I told her was, because she did the hands-on healing, which is just an exchange of energy,

00:18:02.100 I told her, you know, maybe your hands-on healing will help.

00:18:05.040 I didn't tell her anything else because I didn't want to, you know, put anything into her mind.

00:18:09.180 And I went there and I'm sitting on the bench and she's hands-on healing me left knee.

00:18:16.940 And I felt like a spider's web on my face, just like, you know, again, what I know now,

00:18:22.420 it was an electromagnetic field and it made my face tingle.

00:18:27.380 But I didn't know that at the time, it was all new to me.

00:18:32.120 And I sat there, felt this on my face and I thought, that's what she said in her book.

00:18:38.000 That when other levels of reality are trying to lock into you, you sometimes feel like the spider's web on your face.

00:18:42.980 Said nothing to her.

00:18:44.500 10 or 15 seconds later, she launches her head back and says, my God, this is powerful.

00:18:49.580 I'm going to have to close my eyes for this one.

00:18:52.720 And she then starts to tell me, I'm just a bloke.

00:18:55.340 I work for the BBC, mate.

00:18:56.960 I'm just sitting there.

00:18:59.140 And she starts telling me she's seeing a figure in her mind.

00:19:02.060 And this figure wants to communicate with me.

00:19:05.080 And she said, this figure is saying, you're going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets.

00:19:11.000 You're going to be world famous.

00:19:12.520 One man cannot basically save the world or change the world.

00:19:24.600 But one man can communicate the message that can change the world.

00:19:27.560 That was one of the things that came out.

00:19:28.920 And I'm sitting there thinking, what?

00:19:32.780 And that I was going to be led to knowledge.

00:19:36.500 And at other times, knowledge would be put directly in my mind.

00:19:39.920 So I'm thinking, all right, yeah, OK.

00:19:43.900 So I leave.

00:19:45.880 And my life immediately became this extraordinary, synchronistic journey of people, documents, books, personal experiences that were giving me puzzle pieces,

00:20:04.920 pieces, almost in the order that was easiest to see how they fitted.

00:20:10.240 And this has gone on now for 30 years.

00:20:13.000 Now, coming around to that whole Wogan thing, in this period, I had this overwhelming desire, out of nowhere, to go to Peru.

00:20:27.460 What?

00:20:28.340 I've seen Peru play in the Football World Cup a few times.

00:20:31.080 But Peru?

00:20:32.600 Well, what do you feel to go to Peru for?

00:20:34.840 Anyway, I go, purely on instinct, purely on intuition.

00:20:38.100 Amazing things happen, which I cover in my books.

00:20:40.740 But anyway, I end up at a place called Si Ustani, which is an Inca site, just, I don't know, 20 minutes, 25 minutes drive from Puno on Lake Titicaca, the highest Navajo Lake in the world, they say.

00:20:57.520 And the reason I went to Si Ustani is because a Peruvian guide who was going around Peru with me, he booked us into this hotel in Puno called the Si Ustani.

00:21:10.920 There's pictures of this place all over the hotel.

00:21:13.940 And when I was looking at these pictures, something was saying, go, you must go, you must go.

00:21:18.540 So I organized a taxi bus to go the next day, and it was a beautiful place with all Inca, we'll say, they say Inca, it's probably older, sights all on the hill.

00:21:35.700 And I walked around for about an hour, and it was lovely, but there was, the urge I felt to go there was not matched by the experience.

00:21:44.680 So I'll get back in the taxi, taxi bus thing, with the driver and the guide, and we start driving back.

00:21:51.780 And no more than three or four minutes down the road, I'm kind of daydreaming out of the vehicle, you know.

00:21:58.840 And I was looking at this hill, and I'm looking, as I'm looking at it, all I can hear in my mind is, come to me, come to me, come to me.

00:22:07.680 And I'm like, Ike, you lost it, son.

00:22:11.640 That hill's talking to you.

00:22:13.540 What?

00:22:13.940 So anyway, I just said to the people, can you stop the vehicle?

00:22:18.000 I'm going up that hill.

00:22:19.680 So I walk up, not knowing what the heck is going on.

00:22:23.360 And I get up to the top, and there's these kind of stones there.

00:22:30.100 And I walked into the center of a group of them.

00:22:33.740 And I'm standing on this hill in Peru under a piercing, cloudless sky, piercing sun.

00:22:46.940 I had a big red nose to prove it.

00:22:48.480 So I walk into this area of stones.

00:22:52.180 And suddenly, it was exactly what happened, although, you know, 100% more, that happened to me in the news shop.

00:23:01.780 I started to feel this, what I would now call electromagnetic field.

00:23:05.920 I didn't know about that then.

00:23:07.480 And I started to feel my feet being pulled to the ground like magnets.

00:23:13.100 And I started to feel an energy going through me that way and out that way, out the top of my head and into the top of my head, through my feet into the ground.

00:23:21.580 And then, I heard this, not voice, but very strong, thoughtful, matter of nowhere.

00:23:28.820 It said, one, they'll be talking about this in 100 years.

00:23:32.960 And two, it will be over when you feel the rain.

00:23:37.540 And I'm standing out under a cloudless sky.

00:23:40.700 It was just ridiculous.

00:23:43.180 But then my arms go out at 45 degrees like that.

00:23:46.240 I made no conscious decision to do that.

00:23:48.620 And this energy, and they were like that for, well, it must have been the best part of an hour.

00:23:53.780 And I felt nothing until it was over.

00:23:55.680 And then my shoulders and my arms were agony.

00:23:58.420 But anyway, this energy just built up and built up and built up.

00:24:03.060 So in the end, I'm kind of shaking.

00:24:05.500 And you know when you drive a car and you can't remember the last two miles or so because your subconscious has been driving the car, thank goodness.

00:24:15.920 Well, it was like that.

00:24:17.480 I would have missing kind of conscious time.

00:24:21.420 And then I would come back to consciousness while all this is going on.

00:24:25.140 And I noticed at one of those points where I became conscious again, that over in the distant mountains, there was a light gray mist.

00:24:35.420 And the light gray mist became a dark gray mist.

00:24:37.800 And I thought, it's raining over those mountains.

00:24:40.740 And, you know, if what then happened had happened in a movie, you would say, that is ludicrous.

00:24:48.460 Who put this in the script?

00:24:49.700 Because what happened is this rain storm came out of the mountains towards me ridiculously quickly.

00:24:58.980 And in the end, I'm standing there like that.

00:25:02.080 And this wall of stair rod rain, I've described it as like pulling curtains across the sky, was coming towards me.

00:25:12.420 By the time it hit me, you know, I'm like absolutely shaking with this energy.

00:25:18.160 Soon as it hit me, absolutely soaked me in an instant, the energy stopped.

00:25:25.620 Now my shoulders are raggedy.

00:25:28.520 Now my legs are like Bambi trying to stand up.

00:25:33.900 And my life at that time was transformed.

00:25:38.420 I'll tell you what it was like.

00:25:39.820 And right in the middle of what I'm going to describe is when the Wogan show happened, which is why I said things that, you know, I look back now and, you know, I wouldn't say now.

00:25:49.060 Because I was in the midst of a total transformation of my consciousness, my awareness, my perceptions.

00:25:59.960 I've described it like this.

00:26:01.820 You're going along with your life and life seems a certain way, but you're operating within a bubble of perception, a bubble of information.

00:26:11.600 And then someone comes along out of nowhere, doesn't give you any warning and pops the bubble.

00:26:16.460 Now, vast amounts of information, concepts, things of all kinds are pouring into your conscious and subconscious mind that weren't before.

00:26:28.260 And you're trying to process them.

00:26:31.400 And for three months, I couldn't process them.

00:26:34.380 And right in the middle of that was the Wogan show.

00:26:36.760 I've described it like this.

00:26:38.200 You press too many keys on the computer at once, which is giving the computer too much information to process, computer freezes.

00:26:47.100 That was me for three months.

00:26:49.660 After three months, after the Wogan show and the mass historic levels of ridicule that I went through in the aftermath of that, it was like the computer unfroze.

00:27:01.440 Now I'm David Icke again, if you like.

00:27:05.000 And people were coming up to me and saying, Dave, I thought you'd gone mad.

00:27:07.380 You're the same bloke I've always known.

00:27:09.640 I seemed it on the surface, but I wasn't.

00:27:13.180 Because now I could see things and how things connected that I couldn't see before.

00:27:19.100 And so from that point on, the accuracy of my work, if I say it myself, because it is true, it's been phenomenal in terms of the way it's played out in events, including current events.

00:27:32.540 Before that, which you rightly bring up, I was actually in this massive transition.

00:27:40.960 If you'd have asked me my name in that period of three months, I'd have probably had to check.

00:27:45.260 Really? If I would have asked you a name during that three months, you would have had to check?

00:27:50.420 Well, yeah, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you know what I mean.

00:27:53.140 I don't know what you're saying.

00:27:54.340 So let me say this, David.

00:27:56.040 But then everything kind of came into clarity, massive clarity, clarity like I'd never seen before.

00:28:01.920 And that's what's played out ever since.

00:28:03.980 David, when you went to Peru at that time, were you recreationally or were you just yourself using any drugs, man-made or natural or no?

00:28:13.340 No, no, none.

00:28:15.260 So are you somebody that has experience with drugs or no?

00:28:19.400 Once.

00:28:20.840 And that was in 2003 in the Brazilian rainforest.

00:28:27.940 I was asked to go and speak to a group who were taking something called ayahuasca, which is a psychoactive potion, which is used as part of some religions in Brazil.

00:28:41.400 So I thought, yeah, I'll go and do that.

00:28:44.440 And I could have taken this stuff, and it's the only time I ever have.

00:28:48.820 I've felt need before or since.

00:28:51.600 I took it two nights, over two nights.

00:28:54.040 I could have taken it four times.

00:28:55.660 What I got out of the two nights was absolutely phenomenal, especially the second one.

00:28:59.740 When you take this stuff, it tastes a bit like licorice.

00:29:03.760 For about an hour, you know, it's kind of metabolizing, and then it hits you.

00:29:08.780 And what happens is when you close your eyes, you're in a completely different state of awareness.

00:29:15.080 When you open your eyes, you are back in this awareness.

00:29:19.720 The thing is, your eyes don't want to stay open.

00:29:22.760 And for five hours, this very powerful voice took a female form, as powerful and loud as mine is now,

00:29:33.820 gave me chapter and verse on the illusory nature of what we call physical reality.

00:29:43.660 How the physical is an illusion, and what this really is, is a holographic illusion of physicality.

00:29:53.520 And so much else that I was told.

00:29:57.760 And it was all about the nature of reality itself.

00:30:01.340 And to understand world events, you have to understand the basics of reality,

00:30:07.140 because this cult knows that.

00:30:09.700 It wants to keep it from us, and the secret societies and the satanic groups are there

00:30:15.640 to isolate that knowledge about reality in their hands and to keep it from us.

00:30:21.140 So I came back to Britain after that.

00:30:23.940 And I started, because I had, amazing as it may sound,

00:30:27.720 I had instant recall of the whole five hours of information.

00:30:31.260 And so I came back and I started investigating mainstream science

00:30:35.580 and all the different disciplines to see if this stuff would stand up.

00:30:39.280 And what I found was that much of mainstream science, not least quantum physics,

00:30:45.720 already knows that physicality is an illusion.

00:30:49.240 But because the different disciplines of what we call mainstream science don't talk to each other,

00:30:56.520 indeed, often compete with each other, it means that the dots have not been connected

00:31:03.240 to show that actually this absolutely stands up.

00:31:07.060 What's happened since I started writing about this in the early 2000s is that more and more

00:31:14.300 mainstream scientists are starting to come out and say the same.

00:31:19.480 I was writing that this reality is holographic, digital holograms.

00:31:24.440 That's what this physicality is.

00:31:26.240 And then you had a guy like Rich Turrill, who's a computer scientist at NASA.

00:31:30.980 And he came out a few years ago and said, he'd concluded that our reality is a digital hologram.

00:31:38.760 It's what I'd said years before in my books.

00:31:40.740 And what we're seeing now is more and more mainstream scientists who are coming out

00:31:46.060 and saying, actually, physicality is holographic.

00:31:51.200 And this was given to me in this ayahuasca experience back in, what, 2003.

00:31:57.040 But apart from that, I've not taken any drugs, don't feel the need to.

00:32:01.580 Are you somebody that believes in sidekicks and would you consider yourself a pretty superstitious guy?

00:32:09.080 No, not superstitious at all.

00:32:10.640 That's all, you know, all this superstition and all this stuff, it's dead simple.

00:32:14.980 It's dead simple.

00:32:15.960 I'll just explain how reality works.

00:32:18.380 If you said to people, when you look through your eyes, can you see everything that exists

00:32:23.340 in the space you're looking at?

00:32:24.880 What are they going to say?

00:32:25.720 They're going to say yes.

00:32:26.580 But they can't.

00:32:28.100 What we call the world is a ridiculously narrow band of frequency called visible light and

00:32:37.160 the electromagnetic spectrum.

00:32:38.920 And according to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum and visible light, which is the only

00:32:45.540 world reality that we can see, is a smear of the electromagnetic spectrum.

00:32:50.940 mainstream science says that that spectrum, never mind visible light, represents about 0.005% of

00:33:01.520 what exists in the universe.

00:33:03.020 And some say it's a bit more, but not much.

00:33:05.600 So we don't live in a world, we live in a band of frequency, which our body brain, if you like, decoding

00:33:16.260 system can decode into a reality, a holographic reality, and therefore infinity exists outside this

00:33:28.980 narrow band of frequency.

00:33:30.180 But we can't see it just as when you're tuned to a radio station or a television station, you only experience that frequency, that station, that reality.

00:33:43.820 What happens when you switch the zapper is you switch to a different, if you like, frequency, and you get a different reality instantly.

00:33:53.200 We call them different channels.

00:33:55.840 Now, these different realities operate in different bands of frequency.

00:34:02.380 And just like radio frequencies, et cetera, these bands of frequency, as long as they're not too close on the dial to each other, when you get interference, they can share the same space without being affecting all the others.

00:34:17.020 And each one not even being aware that all the others exist.

00:34:22.600 So we are basically experiencing a holographic television channel, which we call the world.

00:34:31.600 And outside of that are all the other realities of infinite reality.

00:34:39.320 And only when these realities get close on the dial do you get interference.

00:34:45.660 And one of those areas of interference, if you like, is what we call ghosts.

00:34:51.700 And paranormal things and such like.

00:34:54.700 When you get two radio stations close on the dial, you get interference.

00:34:58.700 One is the dominant one you can hear.

00:35:00.700 And the other one is you can't hear it well, but you can hear it.

00:35:06.700 It's interfering.

00:35:07.700 Well, in a visual form, that's what a ghost is.

00:35:10.700 It's operating on a level of frequency that's not spot on the one that we are experiencing.

00:35:17.700 Thus, it doesn't look solid like it would if it was on our frequency.

00:35:21.700 But it's interfering enough that you can see it, especially if you're sensitive.

00:35:25.700 And this is sensitive in terms of frequencies.

00:35:28.700 So this is why someone will stand in a room with someone and they'll say, there's a ghost

00:35:34.700 over there.

00:35:35.700 And the other person will say, don't be a don't be a prat.

00:35:38.700 I can't see anything.

00:35:39.700 Big different sensitivities.

00:35:41.700 Now, what psychics are doing and when we talk about psychics, the mediums, you've got

00:35:45.700 to make sure you've got a good one because there's lots of people out there claiming to be

00:35:48.700 an aunt.

00:35:49.700 You get a good one.

00:35:50.700 How do we feel the difference?

00:35:52.700 They can expand their frequency range that they can connect with beyond the normal range

00:36:02.700 of human frequency.

00:36:04.700 And they can tap in to frequencies that are outside of the normal human range.

00:36:10.700 And you can pick up information from outside there that's not available here.

00:36:15.700 And I've had experiences over the years of phenomenal amounts of information that you

00:36:25.700 can pick up if you expand your awareness beyond the tiny band of frequency that we have.

00:36:32.700 When I started out after that big Wogan experience and not really the Wogan experience, that's just

00:36:38.700 part of it that, you know, blow your mind experience.

00:36:43.700 When I started out then uncovering things, what would happen is that I would look at information

00:36:51.700 received and then I would come to conclusions.

00:36:55.700 Very soon after that, as my consciousness expanded, and I'm not sitting here cross-legged

00:37:00.700 on a mountain like a guru.

00:37:01.700 You know, I'm the guru.

00:37:02.700 My consciousness is expanding.

00:37:04.700 Anybody can do it.

00:37:05.700 It's just that this cult don't want us to do it.

00:37:08.700 And that's why we're constantly pressured to perceive the world only through the five senses,

00:37:13.700 which means only through this narrow band of frequency called physical light.

00:37:17.700 But what happened then very soon is I would come to conclusions about what was happening.

00:37:24.700 And then the five senses name, date, people information would follow that to confirm that the conclusion

00:37:31.700 was correct.

00:37:32.700 And that's been going on now for decades.

00:37:34.700 And that's how the books have become so accurate, that process.

00:37:39.700 Fair enough.

00:37:40.700 So David, a couple things.

00:37:41.700 I like what you said.

00:37:42.700 You said some of the things you said during that three-month period you've changed.

00:37:45.700 So, Son of God and the world is going to be ending.

00:37:47.700 That three-month period, that few months.

00:37:49.700 Has your position also changed with the reptoid hypothesis?

00:37:52.700 Oh, no.

00:37:53.700 That hasn't changed.

00:37:55.700 This is the point, mate, that I made earlier.

00:37:58.700 Pre-1992, say pre-mid-1991 actually, you go before that and I'm in the middle of this transformation.

00:38:09.700 Sure.

00:38:10.700 And when I was talking about the Son of God, by the way, what I was referring to is that

00:38:16.700 we are all aspects of one infinite awareness.

00:38:22.700 That has not changed one iota.

00:38:24.700 We are points of attention within the same infinite state of awareness and that individuality

00:38:32.700 that we experience is our individual point of attention.

00:38:36.700 But we are all part of the same whole.

00:38:40.700 We're all, if you like, droplets in the same ocean.

00:38:44.700 And we are the droplet and we are the ocean.

00:38:49.700 So on that basis, if you want to use this symbolic language, we're all sons and daughters of the whole,

00:38:55.700 the infinite whole.

00:38:56.700 So that has not changed.

00:38:57.700 Just putting it in a different way, that's not changed at all.

00:39:02.700 There was a difference in the context.

00:39:05.700 If you look pre-1991 or pre-mid-1991, that's one thing.

00:39:10.700 You look post-mid-1991 to present day and you'll see a completely different outcome in terms of information that's proved to be correct.

00:39:22.700 But to put it in, to manage the expectation series, you did say even Jesus was criticized.

00:39:29.700 So the comparison wasn't just being a son of God.

00:39:32.700 At that time, you made the reference in a completely different way.

00:39:35.700 Yeah, but you see, the thing is that these concepts that poured into my conscious mind,

00:39:45.700 which I'm trying to process and understand.

00:39:48.700 You know, you can confuse son of God, we're all sons of God in that process.

00:39:55.700 And then eventually it becomes clear what it meant.

00:39:59.700 So, you know, it was a period of great confusion as it would be.

00:40:05.700 You know, I describe it like this.

00:40:08.700 What was happening in my mind in that period, early 91 until about April, no, about May.

00:40:20.700 Sorry, no, May 91, January 91, February 91, when I went to Peru, to about May 91.

00:40:31.700 That was the period that all that took place.

00:40:35.700 And it's like, if you burst a dam, and that's what happened.

00:40:40.700 You know, my consciousness opened up to another level.

00:40:44.700 And you burst a dam, and the water cascades out, and it's going all over the place.

00:40:51.700 And then it finds balance in the new situation.

00:40:54.700 And that's a process that I was going through for about three months.

00:40:58.700 But let's not forget, before we do, that that was the best part of 30 years ago.

00:41:07.700 And in the intervening period since then, the accuracy of my books in predicting current events has been,

00:41:15.700 well, I mean, why are vast numbers of people looking at my work now?

00:41:20.700 Because of that.

00:41:22.700 David, so again, last time.

00:41:24.700 So, any position change on the reptoid hypothesis?

00:41:29.700 Anything on that change?

00:41:30.700 Or it's the same belief that you have then that you have today?

00:41:32.700 Yeah, but that didn't come in that pre-91 period.

00:41:38.700 How did you come up with that conclusion, where you said there's the reptresses and the sheeple and all of that?

00:41:44.700 How did that process come about?

00:41:46.700 Quite simply, the same process that everything else came about.

00:41:51.700 The synchronicity of my life led me to the information.

00:41:57.700 So, I'm minding my own business, traveling around America, talking to next to nobody at the time.

00:42:07.700 In, I don't know, towards the late 90s, what would it be?

00:42:12.700 Maybe 96, that kind of period, 96, 97, more 96.

00:42:19.700 And I'm going from place to place, talking each night.

00:42:24.700 Some of them were a long way apart.

00:42:26.700 And in a period of 15 days, I met 12 different people, in 12 different places,

00:42:34.700 who told me the same stories about this old reptilian phenomenon.

00:42:39.700 I won't go into it now at length.

00:42:40.700 It's all in my books in enormous detail.

00:42:42.700 And so, if you are a proper journalist, and you're after the truth, and not a statue and a round of applause,

00:42:52.700 then you look at that, and you say, hold on a minute, this is a lot of people telling me the same thing.

00:42:58.700 And this is what my life has been like, since that mind-blowing experience.

00:43:03.700 This is just how it is.

00:43:06.700 Synchronicity.

00:43:07.700 A new subject will come into my life, and suddenly, information on it's coming from all angles, wherever I go.

00:43:13.700 And then, you start to expand this.

00:43:17.700 You get more and more information.

00:43:19.700 And I have this process, when I'm researching, of what I call the back burner.

00:43:24.700 So, when something comes up, and when this old reptilian thing comes up, I mean, you know,

00:43:30.700 you don't just say, oh, right, it's the reptilians, because this lady told me.

00:43:35.700 You don't do that.

00:43:37.700 You put it on the back burner, and you see if more information is going to come,

00:43:41.700 and more information is going to come, and it did, over and over, over years.

00:43:45.700 For instance, a man who's only just died, actually, at the age of 98.

00:43:51.700 A man in South Africa, he was a high Zulu shaman, and the official historian of the Zulu nation,

00:43:58.700 a man called Kredo Mutwa.

00:44:00.700 And I met him, and he didn't know anything about what I was writing about.

00:44:07.700 And he started talking about something called the Chittahuri.

00:44:11.700 And I said, what's the Chittahuri?

00:44:14.700 And he told me all the stories and legends of Zulu law about a reptilian race that's manipulating human society

00:44:20.700 outside of human visual acuity for reasons I've explained.

00:44:25.700 And then you start looking at other cultures, other belief systems, other legends in various different cultures.

00:44:37.700 And you start to realize there is a massive common theme among all of them.

00:44:44.700 And that is, what do you call it, reptilian or not?

00:44:48.700 It doesn't really matter.

00:44:49.700 There is a common theme, which is there is a force which is outside human sight, is not human,

00:45:00.700 which is manipulating human society via a network within human society.

00:45:07.700 And if you go into the inner core of the most exclusive secret societies, why are they secret societies?

00:45:14.700 To keep secrets from the rest of the population.

00:45:17.700 You find that this non-human force is actually what these people are worshipping.

00:45:24.700 You go back a long period, and you see the ancients were worshipping the gods.

00:45:30.700 And people say, oh, yeah, well, they were just ancient and primitive.

00:45:34.700 This cult is doing the same now, and they're the same gods.

00:45:37.700 So if you look at Christianity, it talks about the demons.

00:45:45.700 It talks about the fallen angels.

00:45:48.700 You look at the Zulu culture, they talk about the Chittahuri.

00:45:52.700 You look at the Gnostic belief system, they talk about the archons.

00:45:56.700 In Islam, they have the concept of the Jinn.

00:46:01.700 And wherever you go, I talk to people from Aboriginal culture in Australia.

00:46:07.700 They have the same belief that there's a non-human force manipulating human society.

00:46:12.700 So you have this common, common theme, and it's something that is becoming more and more perceived by more and more people

00:46:23.700 because it starts to make sense of the world and where the world's being taken.

00:46:29.700 So this is where it all kind of comes from.

00:46:31.700 And people say, well, why don't we see them?

00:46:33.700 Well, why can't you see other realities outside of visible light?

00:46:37.700 Because that's where this force operates from.

00:46:41.700 And what it needs is a force within this visible light frequency through which it can manipulate human society.

00:46:48.700 And that's this cult and all this network of secret societies which are manipulating world events.

00:46:58.700 I don't think there's any question that these secret societies exist.

00:47:01.700 And we're going to talk about that.

00:47:02.700 But do you actually believe reptiles are disguised, they can disguise as human beings?

00:47:07.700 Like, do you really believe that concept?

00:47:09.700 Because we know there's powerful people, but the concept of they're reptiles and they're disguised as human beings

00:47:15.700 and they're able to move up in power, do you actually believe that concept?

00:47:19.700 Well, you see, I mentioned earlier that to understand what is going on, we have to have some understanding of the nature of reality.

00:47:33.700 Because if we don't, we will quite understandably dismiss things that are happening, but we can't perceive how they could happen.

00:47:45.700 Example, you believe the world is actually solid.

00:47:51.700 Our bodies are solid, that wall is solid and not a holographic, illusory physical.

00:47:58.700 Then if the world is solid, then people moving between different, if you like, shapes, what they call shape-shifting, is impossible.

00:48:11.700 Utterly impossible.

00:48:12.700 Of course it is.

00:48:13.700 You can't shapeshift solidity, it's ridiculous.

00:48:17.700 But if you believe the world is solid, immediately you hear some of the things that I say, they're immediately dismissed.

00:48:25.700 Not possible.

00:48:26.700 Well, hold on.

00:48:28.700 If you look at computers and the technological Wi-Fi world we live in now, what you're looking at is a technological reality that mimics real reality.

00:48:44.700 Our experience reality and how we create it.

00:48:47.700 So, you've got a Wi-Fi field.

00:48:52.700 Okay.

00:48:53.700 Where is it?

00:48:54.700 Where's the Wi-Fi field?

00:48:56.700 Point it out to me.

00:48:57.700 Well, I can't because you can't see it.

00:49:00.700 Right?

00:49:01.700 Now, if you didn't know about computers and I said to you, there is a field of information that we're living in like a sea, people would say, well, where is it?

00:49:17.700 I can't see it.

00:49:18.700 Therefore, it can't exist.

00:49:20.700 But because people know about computers, you say, you know there's a field of information and you can decode, oh, yeah, yeah, I know about that, Wi-Fi, that's right.

00:49:32.700 And the only difference between, that's rubbish, mate, and, oh, yeah, I know about that, is knowledge.

00:49:39.700 Knowledge of what you are experiencing and what you're talking about in terms of reality.

00:49:47.700 So, what does a computer do?

00:49:49.700 You've got a Wi-Fi field full of information in the form of radiation, basically.

00:49:56.700 And the computer decodes it onto the screen.

00:50:02.700 And you say to people, and you decode it onto the screen, by the way, on the basis of the information you put in to decode onto the screen what you choose to decode.

00:50:14.700 You say to people, tell me about the internet.

00:50:16.700 And they say, oh, yeah, well, it's pictures and graphics and text and all that stuff and websites.

00:50:21.700 Yes, it is.

00:50:22.700 But only on the screen.

00:50:24.700 On the screen is the only place the internet exists in that form.

00:50:29.700 Everywhere else, it's electronic codes and Wi-Fi.

00:50:32.700 We decode reality in exactly the same way.

00:50:36.700 So, the five senses take waveform information, think Wi-Fi, turns it into electrical information, feeds it to the brain.

00:50:49.700 And there are different parts of the brain that specialize in decoding the different senses.

00:50:54.700 And the brain decodes that electrical information into holographic digital information.

00:51:02.700 And that is what we experience as the world around us.

00:51:07.700 It's not around us.

00:51:08.700 It's inside us, all of us.

00:51:10.700 Just as the internet is inside this computer.

00:51:13.700 And we look at it from afar.

00:51:16.700 So, say you're tasting something.

00:51:19.700 You don't taste it with the tongue.

00:51:23.700 You taste it via the tongue, which sends electrical information representing the taste frequency to the brain, which decodes it.

00:51:34.700 And then it becomes yummy or that's horrible.

00:51:37.700 There are now pain relief techniques used in hospitals where they stop the message going from the point of pain to the brain.

00:51:51.700 Because if they stop that, the brain cannot decode the message and you can't feel pain.

00:51:57.700 Take the hearing senses.

00:51:59.700 What's passing between us and what passes between all of us when we're communicating are not words.

00:52:07.700 They're wave field frequency fields generated by the vocal cords.

00:52:12.700 And these are picked up by the ears that turn them into electrical information, feed it to the brain.

00:52:18.700 And only when the brain decodes it do you hear words.

00:52:21.700 I'll give you an example.

00:52:22.700 Does a falling tree make a noise?

00:52:25.700 Well, only if you hear it.

00:52:27.700 And what I mean by that is, if a tree falls, what it's doing, it's an electromagnetic field.

00:52:34.700 And it is causing a disturbance in the wider electromagnetic field as it moves.

00:52:41.700 If there's no one there to decode that disturbance, then a falling tree doesn't make a noise.

00:52:48.700 If there is someone there, they pick up that disturbance with the ears, that electromagnetic disturbance, and they decode it into the sound of a tree falling.

00:52:56.700 It's all an illusion.

00:52:58.700 And this is what they don't want us to know because they know it is and they're manipulating the illusion to control human beings.

00:53:05.700 But to do that, they've got to keep from us that it is an illusion.

00:53:09.700 So why all the world event stuff that I have exposed over the years has always been alongside the nature of reality stuff.

00:53:17.700 So the human body is a field of information, and we are decoding these fields.

00:53:25.700 Think of Wi-Fi field.

00:53:27.700 Think of the body as a Wi-Fi field of information.

00:53:29.700 We decode the body into holographic reality.

00:53:32.700 The body actually only exists in our decoded senses, in the form that we see it, in its other form.

00:53:40.700 It's an electromagnetic field of information.

00:53:42.700 So it's not solid.

00:53:45.700 It's holographic, and it's malleable.

00:53:47.700 So I'm looking at someone, and they have a human electromagnetic field of information.

00:53:54.700 So what I'm decoding into holographic reality in my head is a human being.

00:54:02.700 These cult bloodlines that I expose have a dual field, a hybrid field.

00:54:09.700 These are what we're talking about here.

00:54:11.700 They're the biblical Nephilim.

00:54:12.700 That's what we're talking about.

00:54:13.700 The sons of God who interbred with the daughters of men.

00:54:16.700 You know, that's what we're talking about, what the Bible calls the Nephilim.

00:54:19.700 So there is a dominant field in the dual field.

00:54:23.700 Say it's human.

00:54:24.700 It is most of the time.

00:54:25.700 So I will look at someone, if anyone looks at them, and they decode the human field.

00:54:29.700 And what if this is a human?

00:54:31.700 But when there's a shift from the human field to the non-human field, the observer then starts decoding the non-human field.

00:54:42.700 And to the observer who can see apparent solidity, someone has moved from a solid body of human to a solid body that's not human and back again.

00:54:53.700 But that's not what's happened because there is no solidity.

00:54:56.700 It's decoding into a holographic form, decoding into another holographic form, decoding into the original holographic form.

00:55:05.700 And this is what we call shape-shifting.

00:55:08.700 But if you don't know that, then of course you're going to dismiss the very idea as impossible if you think the world is solid.

00:55:15.700 It's not.

00:55:16.700 The cult knows it.

00:55:17.700 It doesn't want us to know it.

00:55:19.700 Do you ever personally witness any shape-shifting?

00:55:21.700 I've seen eyes change, yes.

00:55:22.700 I've seen eyes change to reptilian, yes.

00:55:25.700 But the point is that I'm not a kamikaze pilot.

00:55:28.700 I'm just interested in the truth.

00:55:30.700 And I will pursue the truth no matter what ridicule and stuff.

00:55:33.700 I mean, it's meaningless to me after the truth.

00:55:37.700 But I have talked to so many people all around the world who have experienced this.

00:55:42.700 You then go back and you look at historical records and cultural records, and they're describing the same phenomenon.

00:55:49.700 What is your format?

00:55:53.700 Like for me, I was a stockbroker.

00:55:56.700 So you know what it is when you're like, you cannot make any kind of predictions.

00:55:59.700 I guarantee this thing can give you 24%.

00:56:01.700 The word guarantee cannot be used as a financial advisor, et cetera, et cetera.

00:56:05.700 You know, what is your form of looking at something and saying, shape-shifting has to have happened, even though I've never witnessed it.

00:56:13.700 I saw eyes shifting, but I've never seen it.

00:56:16.700 Do you, your brain, I'm just curious on how you process it.

00:56:19.700 Do you go to say, I give it 70% credibility that it exists.

00:56:24.700 I give it 20%, or do you say no shape-shifting, 100%.

00:56:28.700 And if yes, based on what?

00:56:30.700 100%, after 30 years of accumulating the information.

00:56:38.700 Well, you've never seen it, though.

00:56:39.700 You've never personally seen it.

00:56:40.700 I have seen eyes change from human to reptilian.

00:56:45.700 That's a shape-shift.

00:56:47.700 And I've talked to endless people in every other culture.

00:56:50.700 Now, here's the point.

00:56:52.700 Look at the information.

00:56:54.700 What am I not saying here?

00:56:56.700 What am I not saying?

00:56:58.700 I'm not saying that anyone must believe it.

00:57:00.700 I don't give a damn if they believe it or not.

00:57:02.700 That's their right.

00:57:03.700 That's their choice.

00:57:04.700 That's their uniqueness.

00:57:06.700 What I'm saying is, here is a vast body of information that I put together,

00:57:10.700 and a vast amount in my earlier books on this subject.

00:57:13.700 Make of it what you will.

00:57:15.700 That's what I'm saying.

00:57:16.700 I'm not saying you've got to believe it.

00:57:18.700 That has to be your choice based on what you make of the information.

00:57:23.700 That's all it is.

00:57:24.700 It's a very persuasive thing to say because, you know,

00:57:29.700 when you say, I'm not saying you have to believe it,

00:57:31.700 that is a form of getting me to want to believe it more

00:57:34.700 because it's not being forced.

00:57:35.700 It's by choice.

00:57:36.700 I got to tell you, David, you're one of the best storytellers I've met in my life.

00:57:39.700 You're an incredible storyteller with the details.

00:57:42.700 I mean, I was in Peru with you, just so you know that.

00:57:45.700 I was in that cabin.

00:57:46.700 I saw the mountain.

00:57:47.700 I was there with you.

00:57:48.700 I don't know a lot of people that tell stories as good as you do,

00:57:51.700 and I'm in the world of storytelling.

00:57:52.700 Have you ever read the story that was published in the weird times of August of 1929 called

00:57:58.700 The Shadow Kingdom?

00:57:59.700 You ever read that story?

00:58:00.700 No.

00:58:01.700 You've never read it?

00:58:02.700 No.

00:58:03.700 Have you ever seen the movie Five Million Years to Earth, a 50s movie?

00:58:07.700 You've never seen it?

00:58:08.700 No.

00:58:09.700 Okay.

00:58:10.700 Okay, interesting.

00:58:11.700 Okay, that's good.

00:58:12.700 So let's set that part aside.

00:58:13.700 Let's go away from our reptilian shapeshifting friends, and let's go to the next topic.

00:58:18.700 David, would you mind if I give you a conspiracy theory, and in less than five seconds, you

00:58:24.700 say there is some truth to it, there is no truth to it, or I don't care.

00:58:28.700 Like, it's not something I'm interested in.

00:58:30.700 Is that fair with you?

00:58:31.700 That's fair.

00:58:32.700 Let's just play a game here.

00:58:33.700 Okay.

00:58:34.700 Here we go.

00:58:35.700 Tupac is still alive.

00:58:36.700 Say again?

00:58:37.700 Tupac is still alive.

00:58:39.700 I don't get that.

00:58:40.700 That's okay.

00:58:41.700 He's a rapper.

00:58:42.700 So that means you don't-

00:58:43.700 Oh, he's a rapper.

00:58:44.700 There you go.

00:58:45.700 No problem.

00:58:46.700 Elvis is still alive.

00:58:47.700 I doubt it.

00:58:48.700 Okay.

00:58:49.700 It doesn't matter to me.

00:58:50.700 JFK assassination was an inside job.

00:58:52.700 Oh, 100%.

00:58:55.700 All right.

00:58:56.700 Next.

00:58:57.700 Obama birther.

00:58:58.700 He's hitting the forehead by a bullet shot from behind him.

00:59:00.700 What did it do?

00:59:01.700 U-turns.

00:59:05.700 Obama birther that Trump presented saying Obama wasn't born in the US.

00:59:09.700 He was born in Kenya.

00:59:10.700 Absolutely open to that.

00:59:14.700 That's correct.

00:59:15.700 But again, that's a past story and I've left that behind.

00:59:21.700 Flat earth theory.

00:59:23.700 The earth is holographic.

00:59:25.700 And if you make, if you look at holograms that we buy in the shops, how are they made?

00:59:34.700 They're made by creating a flat interference pattern of literally frequencies on a print.

00:59:42.700 And then those frequencies, which represent the object being photographed, are then hit

00:59:48.700 by a laser, which turns that flat frequency interference pattern representation of the object.

00:59:55.700 It turns it into the object in three dimensions.

00:59:58.700 Right?

00:59:59.700 So because the world is holographic, the foundation of everything is kind of flat.

01:00:04.700 But in its holographic state, it's absolutely not flat.

01:00:11.700 So I don't believe the earth is flat in the way that we experience it at all.

01:00:15.700 But like all holograms, they are projections from a flat surface.

01:00:20.700 And what we're seeing in science now is more and more scientists coming out and saying they do believe that the basis of the universe is actually flat.

01:00:31.700 And it becomes a holographic three-dimensional representation.

01:00:36.700 That's exactly what I've been saying for years.

01:00:38.700 How about the Bigfoot?

01:00:40.700 There's a lot of Bigfoot sightings in Washington State.

01:00:43.700 There's a lot of things in the world that we don't know about.

01:00:48.700 And, you know, that could be one of them.

01:00:52.700 It could not.

01:00:53.700 But, you know, in the end, what you're looking at is data.

01:00:58.700 What I mean by that is not theories.

01:01:01.700 You're looking at data.

01:01:03.700 So if you meet one person and they say, oh, I've seen a Bigfoot.

01:01:06.700 Oh, okay, that's interesting.

01:01:08.700 But it goes no further.

01:01:09.700 But when you've got a hundred people or whatever seeing a Bigfoot, as they claim, in the same area, now you've got the data.

01:01:18.700 There's a bloody good chance something's going on here.

01:01:22.700 So that's how you work.

01:01:24.700 Next one.

01:01:25.700 It's going to get better, by the way.

01:01:26.700 Next one.

01:01:27.700 Denver International Airport went $2 billion over budget.

01:01:31.700 Rumor has it Illuminati built an underground headquarters there.

01:01:35.700 I would say that was 100%.

01:01:37.700 When I came...

01:01:38.700 100% accurate.

01:01:39.700 Yeah.

01:01:40.700 When I came into America for the first time to talk on these subjects, it was 1997, something like that.

01:01:50.700 No, 96.

01:01:51.700 The first airport I flew into to get off a plane was Denver.

01:01:56.700 And I went to a conference in Denver where some of the people were talking about Denver Airport.

01:02:01.700 That was their specialization.

01:02:03.700 And I found Denver Airport a very weird place with its gargoyles and its Freemasonic presentations and stuff that you get.

01:02:11.700 And these weird murals of horrible things.

01:02:16.700 What's that doing in an airport?

01:02:18.700 So I do think that there's something underneath Denver Airport.

01:02:24.700 There's a lot of...

01:02:26.700 There's so many underground bases in America, what they call DUMs, deep underground military bases.

01:02:32.700 The place is...

01:02:33.700 They're scattered all over America, these things.

01:02:36.700 And that's where the real deal goes on.

01:02:39.700 And the technology that is developed there is vastly ahead of whatever we see in the public arena.

01:02:45.700 Volcano in Yellowstone, Wyoming, that if it erupts it could wipe out the entire US.

01:02:50.700 No idea.

01:02:51.700 No, no, no.

01:02:52.700 Okay.

01:02:53.700 No idea.

01:02:54.700 UFO.

01:02:55.700 Do aliens exist?

01:02:56.700 100%.

01:02:57.700 Look at the night sky.

01:02:59.700 Look at the night sky.

01:03:00.700 What?

01:03:01.700 Are you having to laugh?

01:03:03.700 Oh, no.

01:03:04.700 You know that compared with the perceived size of the universe, planet Earth is the equivalent of a billionth of a pinhead.

01:03:16.700 Right?

01:03:17.700 Yeah.

01:03:18.700 That sounds good to me.

01:03:19.700 We're on a billionth of a pinhead, and life as we know it only exists there.

01:03:24.700 Elsewhere?

01:03:25.700 Oh, no.

01:03:26.700 No, you're mad.

01:03:27.700 Of course it exists.

01:03:28.700 It's just a case of what is it, whether it's benevolent or malevolent, and it'll be a mixture of all of them.

01:03:34.700 And the idea that we're alone is...

01:03:39.700 Well, I mean, they call me mad.

01:03:41.700 It's military and the government experimenting and researching aliens at Area 51.

01:03:46.700 Well, not just Area 51.

01:03:48.700 In general.

01:03:49.700 And what's happened in the last, what, six, seven, eight months is it's been appearing on things like the Tucker Carlson show on Fox.

01:03:59.700 I think Tucker Carlson, I can't stand Fox, by the way.

01:04:02.700 I can't stand CNN.

01:04:03.700 I can't stand MSNBC or any of them.

01:04:05.700 I can't stand the BBC.

01:04:07.700 But as a journalist who's willing to ask questions the others aren't, and make points the others aren't, then they've got a lot of respect for Tucker Carlson.

01:04:16.700 And he's had people on his show talking about the fact that the, and they've had to admit it, that the Pentagon has radar pictures taken by its pilots of craft that are doing things that no technology that we know in the human visual arena could possibly do.

01:04:41.700 And, of course, it's all classified and stuff.

01:04:44.700 So, they, there's two levels of knowledge, you see.

01:04:49.700 This cult operates, if I just explain this, it might make a lot of sense to people, not least of current events.

01:04:56.700 The world is manipulated by a web, and think of a web, a spider's web, and at the center of the web, you've got the spider.

01:05:05.700 That spider is the non-human force.

01:05:08.700 Around the spider, in the strands immediately around the spider, are the most exclusive secret societies, and people in them you probably never have heard of.

01:05:19.700 They're the people really running this cult from the inner sanctum.

01:05:24.700 As you come out from the spider in the web, you're now starting to hit the secret societies we do know about, but we don't know what goes on there, but they'd like us not to.

01:05:33.700 Like the Freemasons, and I'm talking the inner core, and the Knights of Malta, the Knights Templar, the inner core of the Jesuit order, all this stuff.

01:05:44.700 And as you come out, eventually, you meet what I call the cusp organizations, which sit between the hidden and the seen.

01:05:51.700 These are the Council on Foreign Relations in America, the Trilateral Commission, created by the Rockefellers and Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's former National Security Advisor,

01:06:03.700 and the Bilderberg Group, created in Europe at the Bilderberg Hotel.

01:06:07.700 These are cusp organizations that sit between the hidden and the seen.

01:06:11.700 And what happens is the agenda for the world comes out from the spider through the hidden, through the cusp organizations,

01:06:19.700 and into the society, the arena that we see, the public arena.

01:06:24.700 And there we find governments, government agencies, the banking system, all the Silicon Valley corporations, and so on, media ownership.

01:06:32.700 And in this level of the public arena, it seems to be a series of completely unconnected organizations, agencies, whatever.

01:06:42.700 If you go deep enough into them, and it's all compartmentalized.

01:06:45.700 Most people in these organizations haven't got a clue what they're being controlled and directed to and what the agenda is.

01:06:51.700 They just go on with their lives, get their pay, and go home to their families.

01:06:55.700 But at the inner core of these organizations, they are actually answering to the spider, ultimately,

01:07:02.700 and are making decisions that reflect that agenda of the spider.

01:07:09.700 And in this way, things are happening in a coordinated way that appear to be random.

01:07:16.700 And this can be seen very clearly in my experience with the Brian Rose London Real interview about the coronavirus,

01:07:27.700 which was streamed live and YouTube took it down the moment, virtually the moment, just a few minutes after it finished.

01:07:35.700 And then Vimeo took it down, and then Facebook took it down.

01:07:40.700 It's because if you go deep enough into these organizations, they are controlled by the same force, therefore move as one unit.

01:07:47.700 So LinkedIn then trashed and deleted Brian Rose's account for doing that interview.

01:07:55.700 Because LinkedIn will ultimately go deep enough, be controlled by the same force that controls all the others.

01:08:01.700 This is how it works.

01:08:04.700 And so each country, and it can be explained very simply this way, the way this cooperates and manipulates globally,

01:08:13.700 and could coordinate this coronavirus thing that we're looking at now, current events, is the same as McDonald's, really.

01:08:20.700 McDonald's, or any other transnational corporation, I'm just picking McDonald's out of the air,

01:08:25.700 they have a headquarters, say in America, and in each country they have their subsidiaries.

01:08:31.700 And the subsidiaries operate in line and to the blueprint of the headquarters.

01:08:38.700 And in the same way, this cult has a central point, and it has its sub-operation networks in each country.

01:08:47.700 And their job is to manipulate that country's politics, business, banking, media, in line with the centrally dictated agenda.

01:08:57.700 And that's why, as this virus hysteria came out of China, basically all countries have reacted the same.

01:09:04.700 Because they're working to the same script.

01:09:06.700 And this is how the whole thing works.

01:09:12.700 Okay, so here's the next one here.

01:09:14.700 I'm curious to know if you've done any kind of research on this one.

01:09:17.700 In Alaska, they have a high-frequency active auroral research program.

01:09:22.700 You know this.

01:09:23.700 Looks like you already know where this is going.

01:09:25.700 Antennas that are experimenting with weapons to be able to control people's minds.

01:09:30.700 Oh, 100%.

01:09:32.700 I've done enormous research on this.

01:09:35.700 And the one in Alaska, which is the famous or infamous one, which came to public light.

01:09:41.700 There are others like that around the world now.

01:09:45.700 And what they do is they fire a frequency into the ionosphere.

01:09:50.700 And they make the ionosphere, the upper atmosphere, vibrate in sympathy with that frequency.

01:09:57.700 And then it diverts the frequency.

01:10:00.700 Now, because of the vibration at a far higher power that it left the facility, back to Earth.

01:10:07.700 And many things can be done with this, including manipulating the weather and creating weather extremes, among many other things.

01:10:16.700 And again, to come back to the nature of reality is to understand how these things work.

01:10:22.700 Why 5G is so destructive, why Wi-Fi is so destructive, and so capable of transmitting thoughts and perceptions into the human mind.

01:10:33.700 Because what are these technologically generated electromagnetic fields?

01:10:39.700 They're frequencies.

01:10:40.700 They're electromagnetic frequencies.

01:10:43.700 The brain processes information electrically.

01:10:48.700 What do neurons do?

01:10:49.700 They make electrical connections.

01:10:52.700 The brain transmits to the rest of the body, the cellular structure of the body, electrically and electromagnetically.

01:10:59.700 So anything external that interferes with the balance of that electromagnetic communication in the body and the processing of information electrically in the brain is going to affect people negatively, psychologically and in terms of health.

01:11:23.700 And we are now living in an absolute sea soup of technologically generated electromagnetic frequencies, which have gone on to a phenomenal new level with this rollout this year.

01:11:38.700 They're still going on of 5G.

01:11:43.700 Elon Musk.

01:11:44.700 Elon Musk.

01:11:45.700 Elon Musk.

01:11:46.700 Don't stop me, by the way.

01:11:47.700 I'd love to debate this guy live if you could ever arrange it.

01:11:51.700 He's putting up satellites at low altitude.

01:11:56.700 It's happening all the time, every week, to fire 5G at the Earth.

01:12:02.700 So there's no way you can get away from it, even if you want to go and live in a forest.

01:12:07.700 And there's a reason for this.

01:12:08.700 I explain it in the books why they're doing it.

01:12:10.700 Astronomers are now complaining, even with a relatively few of the thousands he wants up there, he wants 42,000 up there.

01:12:18.700 He's already got permission from the co-owned Federal Communications Commission for tens of thousands.

01:12:26.700 He wants 42,000.

01:12:27.700 Even with the few that he's put up so far, astronomers are saying, we can't see the night sky anymore.

01:12:33.700 It's all most satellites.

01:12:36.700 And there's a company called, I think it's one way out of Britain doing the same.

01:12:40.700 There's others doing the same.

01:12:41.700 Now, here's a question.

01:12:43.700 How many people among the nearly eight billion getting on for eight billion people on planet Earth have been asked if they want that?

01:12:50.700 Nobody.

01:12:51.700 Or been given a vote to decide if they want that?

01:12:54.700 Nobody.

01:12:55.700 Musk just does it because Musk is an asset like Gates and all the others of this agenda.

01:13:03.700 That's why he gets permission from the FCC.

01:13:05.700 Of course, if the FCC is controlled by the same force that controls Musk, he's going to get permission for what he wants.

01:13:11.700 Of course he is, and this is how it happens.

01:13:13.700 So, the challenge with, when I did the research on why YouTube chose to take the video down, I don't know why LinkedIn did what they did, by the way.

01:13:22.700 That whole thing, that scandal makes no sense to me, but I don't know their reasoning behind it.

01:13:27.700 But I do know why YouTube and Facebook and Vimeo did.

01:13:32.700 YouTube says linking 5G to coronavirus was the biggest challenge, and I'd like to kind of transition now.

01:13:41.700 We can go now all 5G, coronavirus, let's talk about those topics now, since you brought up Elon Musk.

01:13:46.700 But we got a lot of, now the viewer kind of has an idea where you stand with different conspiracy theories that people may have,

01:13:54.700 and they can judge for themselves where we can go from here.

01:13:56.700 I just want to make sure the viewer knows that before we go to the next part.

01:13:59.700 The challenge that YouTube had with the interview that he did with Brian Rose is saying that 5G is the reason for coronavirus.

01:14:08.700 And I want to say this to you.

01:14:09.700 I had a guest on, General Spalding from the Air Force.

01:14:14.700 Okay, Robert Spalding.

01:14:15.700 He wrote a book called Stealth War.

01:14:18.700 He is not a fan of China.

01:14:21.700 He went and lived in China with his wife and kids to learn about their culture, how it's done, almost like an inside job to report back to U.S.

01:14:29.700 And then years later, he found out what they were all about, went back again.

01:14:33.700 Then eventually he was hired to work directly with the White House as an advisor, as a director.

01:14:40.700 And one time he gave a briefing on what China was really doing, and that got Mitch McConnell upset.

01:14:47.700 And Biden upset.

01:14:48.700 Now, you know, both of them have a link to China, Biden with his son, and then you got Mitch McConnell and his wife.

01:14:55.700 His wife's father owns the largest construction company in China.

01:14:59.700 So, one is a Republican, one's a Democrat.

01:15:01.700 So, Robert Spalding is not somebody that is a conspiracy researcher, nor is he a pushover, nor is he somebody that bows down to the people of power.

01:15:12.700 This is a very reasonable man.

01:15:14.700 When he says what he says, he has no motives behind it.

01:15:17.700 I called him.

01:15:18.700 We spoke a few days ago.

01:15:19.700 I said, hey, General Spalding, I'm hearing a lot of stuff that's being said that 5G is the reason why coronavirus is spreading.

01:15:28.700 And I kind of gave him the timeline.

01:15:30.700 I said, what do you think about the fact that in 1916, the emergence of radio waves, 1918, Spanish flu outbreak.

01:15:37.700 You know, 2003, 3G was introduced to the world.

01:15:40.700 2003, SARS outbreak.

01:15:42.700 2009, 4G was introduced to the world.

01:15:45.700 2009, swine flu.

01:15:47.700 And now 2009, 2020, 5G is introduced to the world.

01:15:51.700 2019, 2020, coronavirus.

01:15:53.700 And I said, how much credibility do you give to this?

01:15:56.700 This is a man with a lot of credibility, what he says people listen to.

01:16:00.700 He said, zero.

01:16:01.700 That's a conspiracy theory.

01:16:03.700 It has nothing to do with that.

01:16:05.700 And those who are talking about it shouldn't be talking about it.

01:16:09.700 Now, that's one part.

01:16:10.700 I'm going to turn it over to you.

01:16:11.700 Let me say the other part.

01:16:13.700 Let me just make this one point very quickly.

01:16:16.700 I don't care who he is.

01:16:18.700 He shouldn't be telling people what they can and cannot talk about.

01:16:22.700 No, he didn't say can and cannot talk about.

01:16:24.700 It's not what he said.

01:16:25.700 And secondly, I'm not saying that the so-called coronavirus can be put down to 5G.

01:16:36.700 I'm saying it's something that's been taken into the mix for reasons we'll come to.

01:16:41.700 That's a big difference.

01:16:42.700 There's a big difference between saying that because you know this on Guardian where Dr.

01:16:46.700 Cohen got up and Cowan Cohen claiming 5G wireless networks are behind the pandemic.

01:16:53.700 This is not Guardian.

01:16:54.700 This is a complete different man that got up and he was presenting.

01:16:57.700 Yeah.

01:16:58.700 And it was shared by Kerry Hilson.

01:17:00.700 You've seen this before.

01:17:01.700 It's not the first time I'm telling you this.

01:17:03.700 It's Michael Gove or Gove who said that conspiracy theorists are fighting.

01:17:08.700 Brain of Britain is.

01:17:10.700 Brain of Britain, Michael Gove.

01:17:12.700 In his own mind.

01:17:14.700 Yeah.

01:17:15.700 So again, that part to say that, that's the part that's getting people to be a little bit

01:17:20.700 where they're not tearing down the towers.

01:17:23.700 You never want to use a platform like this to get people to take measures to different levels

01:17:28.700 where people are getting hurt and they're breaking laws.

01:17:31.700 And I fully understand that part.

01:17:32.700 My question to you is when you said, what is the credibility?

01:17:36.700 What does your credibility come to say something like that where the viewer can say,

01:17:41.700 this makes sense?

01:17:42.700 Credibility.

01:17:43.700 Right.

01:17:44.700 Well, let me just tell you a story.

01:17:48.700 The London Real interview, which was two and a half hours long and I covered enormous amount

01:17:54.700 of it and 5G of things and 5G was a relatively small part of it, was taken down.

01:18:00.700 And the idea was it was taken down because I said 5G had to be brought into the mix of current events.

01:18:06.700 Then my son, Jamie, did an interview with an American doctor called Andrew Kaufman, operates

01:18:17.700 out of New York State, who's done a tremendous amount of research into this whole coronavirus

01:18:24.700 situation.

01:18:25.700 And they had a chat and YouTube took it down after it got 300,000 hits.

01:18:31.700 They didn't mention 5G.

01:18:35.700 The common denominator between my video interview being taken down and Andrew Kaufman's interview

01:18:44.700 being taken down, the thing they both said is there is no evidence that's been scientifically

01:18:53.700 produced that COVID-19 exists.

01:18:58.700 That is what they want to shut down even more than the 5G connection.

01:19:04.700 You don't believe that though.

01:19:05.700 You don't believe that coronavirus doesn't exist though.

01:19:07.700 Of course.

01:19:08.700 Well, I'll just say to you, produce the scientific evidence that it does.

01:19:14.700 What I've been doing, because I'm a journalist, not a mainstream media repeater of the official

01:19:21.700 story, is I've been devouring information from doctors, virologists, specialists in places like

01:19:35.700 Germany, Italy, Austria, America, who will never be allowed to get onto the mainstream media.

01:19:45.700 Of course, they're challenging and demolishing the official narrative.

01:19:50.700 That's not allowed.

01:19:52.700 Because this is not about free, open debate.

01:19:56.700 It's about selling a lie.

01:19:58.700 Let me tell you a story that comes from these virologists.

01:20:02.700 And in this case, the way I'm starting, from the research of Andrew Kaufman, a doctor of

01:20:09.700 medicine, who now operates, specializes in psychiatry in New York State.

01:20:14.700 When people started getting ill in China, the Chinese authorities, and by the way, China is an

01:20:22.700 absolute major global center of this cult, as is America, Israel, Britain.

01:20:27.700 But China's massive.

01:20:28.700 This cult has no borders.

01:20:30.700 It operates across borders.

01:20:32.700 So what they did is they decided pretty much immediately that the reason people were getting

01:20:39.700 ill, and they only did, you know, checked and tested a tiny number of the first, like,

01:20:44.700 nearly 200 that got ill, that it was a bacteria or a virus.

01:20:47.700 And they very quickly settled on a virus.

01:20:50.700 And what they did, and, you know, a virus is not what we told it is either.

01:20:55.700 Anyway, they took fluid from the lungs of a small number of these people that got ill.

01:21:03.700 And they broke down its genetic code, the genetic code of genetic material that was in the lung.

01:21:11.700 And they decided that the cause of the problem was a virus.

01:21:16.700 The problem is they never, and it has never, been isolated to show that that's what is causing this.

01:21:27.700 There was a man in 1890.

01:21:29.700 He was a bacteriologist and physician called Robert Koch.

01:21:36.700 And he developed four what became known as Koch postulates, which have been the gold standard

01:21:42.700 for mainstream medicine ever since, of how you prove that an agent is causing a disease.

01:21:51.700 Number one, all the people that get the disease have to have the same symptoms.

01:21:57.700 Number two, you have to isolate what you say is the causing agent from all other genetic materials.

01:22:06.700 So there's no contamination. You've only got what you say is causing it.

01:22:10.700 You then inject this into a living host, and the living host has to get the disease you say this stuff is causing.

01:22:18.700 And then you have to take material from that living host, put it into another living host,

01:22:23.700 and they have to get the same disease.

01:22:25.700 At that point, with the Koch postulates, you've got pretty damning evidence that that is causing that.

01:22:31.700 None of those things, not one of those postulates has been done in relation to COVID-19.

01:22:42.700 What they've got is a genetic material from the lungs of those people.

01:22:47.700 And that genetic material contains a lot of stuff that is actually in vast numbers of people.

01:22:56.700 It's not causing them illness, it's not making them sick, but it's part of their genetic makeup.

01:23:00.700 And if you test for the genetic material, not COVID-19, they've never isolated it,

01:23:07.700 then you're going to get a lot of positive tests, not for some virus,

01:23:13.700 but for genetic material that's in that code that vast numbers of people have.

01:23:19.700 So what did they do then?

01:23:21.700 The Chinese then started deciding who had the virus,

01:23:25.700 they decided without isolating it and proving it, and who didn't.

01:23:29.700 And so they did this, first of all, on symptoms.

01:23:35.700 And what are the symptoms of coronavirus?

01:23:38.700 Flu-like symptoms, yes, which have a potential large range of causes.

01:23:45.700 Not now.

01:23:46.700 Now, if you had flu-like symptoms in China in that period, you had coronavirus,

01:23:52.700 and you had to be isolated, and there was this lockdown.

01:23:55.700 They then start testing.

01:23:58.700 So let's look at the test.

01:24:00.700 The test they're using for coronavirus, they're not, they've never isolated it.

01:24:04.700 They're testing for this genetic material.

01:24:06.700 This test is called the RT-PCR test.

01:24:09.700 It was invented by a man called Kerry Mullis in 1984, and he said this test should not be used to diagnose infectious disease.

01:24:23.700 The man who invented the test.

01:24:25.700 And what are they doing?

01:24:26.700 They're saying we are testing for an infectious disease.

01:24:31.700 The other thing the test can't do, openly admitted, it can't test how much, quote, virus you have.

01:24:39.700 And as one American medical scientist said in a statement that I have on the website,

01:24:47.700 you have to have, in his words, massive amounts of this stuff to be sick.

01:24:54.700 But the test can't say how much you have.

01:24:57.700 So it's irrelevant.

01:24:58.700 They then start moving out, and they prepare us for it.

01:25:02.700 Oh, yes.

01:25:03.700 Oh, that Chinese virus, it's coming.

01:25:05.700 Oh, yeah.

01:25:06.700 And it starts to move out.

01:25:08.700 Now, I know this from many, many different sources, and some of them, quite a number of them now,

01:25:15.700 more and more of the time, in America and in Britain and other places have gone public on this,

01:25:20.700 from the medical profession.

01:25:22.700 They were told that flu-like symptoms must now be designated, diagnose COVID-19.

01:25:33.700 And as I say, flu-like symptoms can come from a long list of possible causes, including the flu,

01:25:41.700 of which there's a lot around this time of year.

01:25:44.700 So they start diagnosing COVID-19 cases on symptoms.

01:25:51.700 And the numbers start to go up.

01:25:53.700 All say it could be a pandemic.

01:25:55.700 Eventually, the World Health Organization, which is owned by Bill Gates, the second biggest funder,

01:26:00.700 only to the United States government of the World Health Organization,

01:26:04.700 Mr. Vaccine, wants to vaccine the world.

01:26:07.700 The front man for the World Health Organization, a guy called Ted Ross, in other words, Gates' mouthpiece,

01:26:12.700 he says, yes, it's a pandemic.

01:26:14.700 Okay.

01:26:15.700 So then they start introducing this test, this PCR test, and they start testing.

01:26:21.700 But they're not testing for COVID-19.

01:26:23.700 It's never been isolated.

01:26:24.700 They're testing for the genetic material.

01:26:27.700 And lots of people have it, so lots of people test positive.

01:26:30.700 Problem is that while they're doing this, they don't have enough dead people.

01:26:37.700 They can't produce the fact that this is a deadly virus from the number of people who are dying.

01:26:43.700 So what has happened, and I'll give you an amazing piece of supporting evidence here in a sec.

01:26:51.700 The medical profession, we're told by the hierarchy, think cult subdivisions in each country, that if someone tests,

01:27:04.700 this is happening all over, by the way, country after country, if someone tests positive for COVID-19,

01:27:09.700 and anyone now who goes in a hospital or is treated, you fall down the bloody stairs and go to hospital,

01:27:15.700 they test you for COVID-19, the genetic material, not COVID-19.

01:27:19.700 They've never isolated.

01:27:21.700 If someone has tested positive for COVID-19, then if they die, then they have to,

01:27:27.700 that has to go on the death certificate, COVID-19.

01:27:30.700 And so you having people and loved ones and families have complained about this,

01:27:34.700 as well as some doctors, some doctors have come out and said,

01:27:37.700 we've been told to put COVID-19 on the death certificate when they haven't died from it.

01:27:41.700 Some loved ones have said that, you know, their loved one died of cancer,

01:27:46.700 but COVID-19 went on the death certificate.

01:27:49.700 And if you notice, this is a common theme.

01:27:52.700 You see it in the media all the time.

01:27:54.700 The same phrase, you see it from politicians, same phrase.

01:27:58.700 And these medical advisors are all connected to Gates, by the way,

01:28:01.700 yours in America around Trump and ours in Britain around Boris Johnson.

01:28:06.700 The phrase is, this number of people have died or this person has died after testing positive for COVID-19.

01:28:18.700 Not died of it, tested positive for COVID-19.

01:28:22.700 But then they go on the death certificate and they become then, in the official figures, died of COVID-19.

01:28:29.700 Now, if you look at the massive health crisis in Italy, it was based in Lombardy.

01:28:40.700 Lombardy in Northern Italy is infamous for having diabolical polluted air, just like China and Wuhan.

01:28:49.700 Therefore, they have enormous amounts of lung disease there.

01:28:52.700 And I'll tell you how bad it is for your health in Lombardy.

01:28:56.700 This is the Melans in Lombardy.

01:28:59.700 The last figures I saw for a year is that a few hundred less than 100,000 people died in Lombardy in that year.

01:29:09.700 And the next region down for most deaths was Lazio, 57,000.

01:29:15.700 That's how bad Lombardy is.

01:29:17.700 So, you have all this lung disease and pneumonia, and they've been redesignating it, COVID-19, when they were going to die anyway from another cause.

01:29:28.700 And the figures go up, and the figures go up, and the figures go up.

01:29:32.700 And I want to read you this story.

01:29:34.700 America, this is a guy who is a state senator in Minnesota called Doctor, he's Doctor himself, Scott Jensen.

01:29:47.700 And he was interviewed on Fox News.

01:29:50.700 And he said this, right now, Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital, you'll get paid $13,000.

01:30:02.700 And a lot of this is, some of this anyway, is passed on to the doctor.

01:30:07.700 If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, the hospital gets $39,000.

01:30:17.700 If they diagnose a pneumonia patient as non-COVID-19, they get $4,600.

01:30:30.700 And so, there is a financial incentive, which if you add it all up, is absolutely fantastic, to keep putting COVID-19 on the death certificate, over and above the instruction from organizations like the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that you should, if you suspected any way that there's COVID-19 involved,

01:30:57.700 though you can't say how much of it, even if it existed, because the test won't tell you that, you put COVID-19 on the death certificate.

01:31:06.700 So, these death numbers are absolutely ridiculous, unsustainable, and unsupportable.

01:31:16.700 But what have they done?

01:31:18.700 Think of the Hunger Games Society I mentioned earlier, that structure.

01:31:24.700 They have destroyed the independent livelihood through this lockdown of billions of people, destroyed businesses, destroyed employment.

01:31:35.700 Lots of people are going to lose their homes.

01:31:38.700 The banks, owned by the cult, are going to start, as soon as they can, repossessing, because people can't pay their mortgage anymore.

01:31:48.700 And it's going to be, it is already, economic mayhem.

01:31:53.700 This is absolutely the Hunger Games Society.

01:31:59.700 Long bread lines form outside of food banks, as America struggles to cope with COVID-19 fallout.

01:32:05.700 At least 10,000 cars line up in an orderly fashion in San Antonio, all full of hungry, increasingly desperate people.

01:32:14.700 Thousands already arrived the night before, just to get the chance to eat.

01:32:18.700 We just can't feed this many, the CEO of the local food bank said about Texans that had descended upon the place.

01:32:29.700 It's a scene playing out across the country.

01:32:32.700 1,300 cars swamped the drive through Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank.

01:32:37.700 And this is exactly what's been in my books for years and years and years,

01:32:44.700 that they were going to create some kind of major incident that led to the demolition of independent livelihoods,

01:32:54.700 so this Hunger Games Society would be created in a very short time.

01:32:59.700 And that's what we're looking at.

01:33:01.700 And you see, if they released a virus, if they released, say, a bioweapon,

01:33:06.700 some people claim, out of this Wuhan lab, then you lose control of it.

01:33:11.700 You don't know what it's going to do. It's going to kill a lot of the people you don't want to kill.

01:33:15.700 And people would be dead in the streets.

01:33:19.700 But if you invent a virus and you control the perception of it by controlling the way that it is administered

01:33:29.700 and registered in death certificates, you can decide when the numbers of perceived dead go up

01:33:35.700 and when it starts to fall. And then, and watch for this, mate,

01:33:40.700 after a respite, you can then have a second and third wave,

01:33:44.700 and those waves will come just before the vaccine is ready, the gates has funded,

01:33:52.700 and we should ask ourselves what will be in that vaccine.

01:33:56.700 So, David, you covered 50 items. I have to go back.

01:33:59.700 I have to go back and unpack some of these things here because a lot of statements were made.

01:34:04.700 And let me go through, and then you'll have your time to respond, just like I gave it to you.

01:34:09.700 One, you said coronavirus, COVID-19 is not real. That's one. Okay.

01:34:13.700 So then from there, you said that the CDC and the World Health Organization,

01:34:18.700 who the number two largest funder is Bill Gates after U.S., depending if U.S. pulls out,

01:34:23.700 then it's a different story. And you know Trump and Tedros are having issues,

01:34:26.700 and we know Tedros is very good friends with China.

01:34:31.700 That's something that everybody knows, the pictures, the relationship,

01:34:34.700 things change when they were part of it. Everyone knows that none of that is private.

01:34:37.700 But if this was something that they wanted to spread to make it real,

01:34:44.700 he would have called it a pandemic sooner rather than later because the criticism CDC gets

01:34:49.700 and the World Health Organization is getting from Trump today is for not saying it earlier

01:34:54.700 that it's a pandemic rather later, which is a big criticism that Trump's given him.

01:34:58.700 So let's put that aside. Now, as far as Gates goes with vaccine and his comments about depopulation

01:35:05.700 or reducing population growth that he made to Dr. I think Goodall from CNN back in 2011, February,

01:35:14.700 when they did that interview, fine. Let's just say there's an element of reducing population growth

01:35:19.700 and we can put some weight behind that because, yes, Gates is Mr. Pandemic 2015.

01:35:24.700 He gave a talk at TED Talk and he's projecting and predicting TED Talk.

01:35:29.700 Fine, we can give some of that credibility to that.

01:35:32.700 And then, but then you're taking some of the stories and you're linking it together to give it more credibility

01:35:37.700 to connecting the dots. That loses a little bit of credibility. Here's why.

01:35:40.700 Let me say why. This is why. If they're getting paid $39,000, the hospitals, if a person dies from COVID-19

01:35:50.700 versus the number you gave of $4,900.

01:35:52.700 Not if they die, if they're diagnosed.

01:35:55.700 If they have the ventilator. If they're diagnosed, they get $39,000.

01:35:58.700 And if they don't, they get $4,900 from the senator you talked about who's also a doctor.

01:36:03.700 Okay, let's just say that's the case. And let's just say in Italy, all of those people that died, you know,

01:36:08.700 and they're putting it in that, hey, he died from coronavirus, but he had pneumonia or other issues.

01:36:13.700 Fine. This is the part that I don't give that part of the story a lot of credibility.

01:36:19.700 is because if all of these nurses and doctors and people who are on the inside that are helping out,

01:36:28.700 and if it's all being fabricated and it's non-existent, 100% someone's going to be a whistleblower.

01:36:35.700 100% someone's going to come out.

01:36:37.700 We have them. We have them. That's the point.

01:36:40.700 We should never, never underestimate the power within an organization of being told what to do.

01:36:51.700 Not everybody. I agree with you.

01:36:53.700 No, not everybody. That's why we have whistleblowers.

01:36:55.700 I agree with you.

01:36:56.700 Go on to my website and look at the doctors that have come out and said,

01:37:02.700 we are being told to put coronavirus on the death certificate when they've not died from it.

01:37:10.700 There are some whistleblowers, and there will be more because people are sick of it.

01:37:15.700 That's the part that will gain credibility because that's the part that's not happening.

01:37:19.700 There will be more, but they're already enough to show that it's the thing.

01:37:22.700 But you cannot say coronavirus is not real. I mean, you saw the news-

01:37:26.700 I've just said it. What I say to you is show me the scientific evidence that COVID-19 exists,

01:37:33.700 that it's been isolated as a particular agent.

01:37:36.700 Are you asking the question if it's natural or man-made? Is that what you're asking? Are you asking-

01:37:41.700 No. No, no. No, no.

01:37:43.700 They are testing for a genetic code.

01:37:47.700 Yeah.

01:37:48.700 Not a virus.

01:37:50.700 I mean, I've got statements here from medical professionals and people like a medical scientist in America,

01:38:00.700 who calls the test a Mickey Mouse test that's not testing for COVID-19.

01:38:07.700 That was said some two or three weeks ago.

01:38:12.700 Now, more and more people are saying, well, let's start testing for COVID-19.

01:38:16.700 I'll tell you another story.

01:38:17.700 And you can go onto my website and-

01:38:20.700 We'll put the link below, by the way.

01:38:22.700 We'll put the link below. Everybody can go see-

01:38:23.700 MaybeNike.com, yeah.

01:38:24.700 We'll go to the website and you'll see a video by a New York intensive care doctor.

01:38:34.700 And he's named there.

01:38:38.700 And he did this video in desperation because he was saying, we were told to get ready to treat an infectious disease called COVID-19.

01:38:54.700 He says on the video, that's not what we're seeing.

01:38:59.700 We're not seeing an infectious disease, COVID-19.

01:39:03.700 What we're seeing, he said, in the worst of the patients, because the vast majority have no symptoms.

01:39:10.700 Why? Because there's no virus.

01:39:12.700 What he's seeing, he said, are lungs he's never seen before.

01:39:17.700 And the only way the lungs could have got into that state in his analogies is from someone in an aircraft at 30,000 feet, which went into depressurization and the oxygen sucked away.

01:39:32.700 Or another analogy of is, someone was plonked on the top of Everest without any acclimatization and by definition, no oxygen.

01:39:42.700 That's the state of their lungs. Their lungs are suffering from oxygen deprivation.

01:39:48.700 I'm not, you know, saying, oh yeah, this, that and the other, but I will say this.

01:39:52.700 And this is admitted, by the way, by the telecommunications industry, at 60 gigahertz, 5G millimeter waves interact with oxygen molecules in a way that affects the oxygen.

01:40:07.700 An offshoot of that at 60 gigahertz is that the human body and blood cannot absorb oxygen.

01:40:15.700 And if you're hit by 60 gigahertz, those are the lungs that you would have.

01:40:20.700 So it's about looking at the evidence and seeing how the dots connect and not getting anything off the table.

01:40:27.700 I don't mind doing that, but to say it from a level of certainty, David, you scare a lot of people when you say it from a level of certainty.

01:40:35.700 I understand there being a level of doubt because, think about it, you know who Li Wenliang is, right?

01:40:42.700 You know Li Wenliang?

01:40:45.700 I think he's the gentleman that was the doctor, the 37-year-old doctor that was a whistleblower in China at Wuhan who came out and said,

01:40:52.700 this virus could spread and this is not a regular virus.

01:40:55.700 And China didn't give it any attention.

01:40:57.700 And this doctor died a couple weeks later, but he is saying it's a real virus.

01:41:03.700 It's something that could really spread.

01:41:05.700 And then yesterday, news breaks out.

01:41:07.700 I don't know if you saw the press conference with President Trump where another source came out yesterday.

01:41:13.700 Yahoo shared it.

01:41:14.700 Fox shared it.

01:41:15.700 Multiple different platforms around the world have shared it.

01:41:18.700 Sources believe coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab as part of China's effort to compete with the US.

01:41:24.700 COVID-19 originated in Wuhan laboratory not as a bioweapon but as a part of China's effort to demonstrate that its effort to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of United States.

01:41:39.700 Multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions of China's government and seen relevant materials told by Fox News.

01:41:46.700 And then obviously there was an agent who went out and, you know, once he went out and he shared it with people.

01:41:53.700 Sources believe that the initial transmission of the virus was back to human and that patient zero.

01:41:59.700 Patient zero who worked at the laboratory then went into the population in Wuhan and then it spread.

01:42:06.700 And one thing I will give credibility to is China knows they can't fight with America or other nations purely just as military,

01:42:14.700 but they want to fight it based on bio warfare, chemical, computer and virus dissemination, environmental destruction, drug trafficking.

01:42:24.700 That is their game.

01:42:25.700 Their game is maybe more manipulation.

01:42:27.700 I may give more credence to that, but to say coronavirus is not real.

01:42:31.700 Even the people that don't respect the Chinese government who are doctors in China who died or were killed said this is a real thing.

01:42:38.700 That's the part where sometimes when I hear that it makes, when the audience and everybody calls me saying,

01:42:43.700 Pat, what do you think about what this David Icke said? Do you agree with them?

01:42:46.700 I said there's some stuff that he says true, but some of it is sensationalized and it scares the hell out of people.

01:42:51.700 No, it's not sensationalized at all.

01:42:53.700 You sensationalize stuff if you overcook the pot.

01:42:58.700 What I'm looking at is evidence that's come from virologists and come from doctors and come from specialists around the world who are saying this is not a lethal virus that they are claiming it is.

01:43:13.700 And they've not isolated it.

01:43:15.700 Thus, they cannot prove it exists.

01:43:17.700 So, if something's coming out through government, then I don't care what they say.

01:43:24.700 I've spent 30 years investigating governments and they are invariably lying to us and want us to believe something because it's taking us off the scent.

01:43:36.700 And in terms of, you know, this is a lethal virus and it could spread.

01:43:42.700 Well, show me a number of things.

01:43:45.700 Show me the number of bodies, dead bodies, that relate to a lethal virus.

01:43:52.700 You can't because they're not there.

01:43:55.700 Why are they having to fix the figures, provable fact, just talk to the medical professionals who've had their guts to come out,

01:44:02.700 to increase the numbers if it's a lethal virus?

01:44:06.700 Why would they do that?

01:44:07.700 Why would they have to do that?

01:44:08.700 Why would they have to give incentives for people to, in hospitals, thousands and thousands of dollars incentives to diagnose COVID-19?

01:44:21.700 If it was a lethal virus and it was all true, why would they?

01:44:26.700 And if it is a…

01:44:28.700 See, that Wu and Biolab is a level 4.

01:44:37.700 That's the highest.

01:44:39.700 And if it's a level 4, it's dealing in absolutely lethal bioweapons.

01:44:45.700 Okay.

01:44:46.700 So, something was released from there, where's all the dead people then?

01:44:51.700 You know, you've got to look at the facts, not just look at statements from governments, but to say, does it add up? The numbers do not add up. Tucker Carlson is now, I saw him in the last couple of days, now starting to get it, slowly but surely. The others will never get it.

01:45:14.300 And he started to say, hold on a minute, how lethal is this virus? Because the numbers are coming down and down and down in terms of the percentage of people who have claimed to have died from it, even with all the manipulation.

01:45:28.580 He just went in different places.

01:45:30.040 And we're now closing in on an equivalent of flu. And this is something else I want to say about how this has been done. And maybe someone could explain this to me, why they've actually had to do this.

01:45:45.500 One of the key tools that this cult uses, and it's through its gophers, to manipulate events is computer models.

01:45:59.560 It's computer models that told us that, well, by now, years ago, the North Pole would have disappeared in the summer. It hasn't.

01:46:09.080 And these projections that have caused these lockdowns, which has caused this economic Armageddon, have been done from computer models.

01:46:20.880 And they've been done through an organization in London called Imperial College, not least a guy called Professor Neil Ferguson.

01:46:30.620 Ferguson and Imperial College are funded or have funding, large funding, from Bill Gates.

01:46:37.440 Then you have this other organization in America called the Johns Hopkins University Medical Operation, which is organizing all the, assimilating all the numbers, which the media are constantly quoting.

01:46:52.680 Something else I could talk about at length and their connections, not least to people like Gates.

01:46:59.160 And this Ferguson, because you see, when it came to Britain, the prime minister, like Trump has pushed back on it to an extent, the prime minister, Boris Johnson, clearly did not feel that what has happened needed to happen.

01:47:17.680 And he was asked if the professional soccer league should stop.

01:47:23.100 And he said, oh, no need for that.

01:47:25.180 It was the soccer league itself that shut the football down in this country, not Johnson.

01:47:31.160 Johnson said there's no need to close the schools.

01:47:33.920 It's all, you know, we'll deal with it.

01:47:35.240 And then Professor Neil Ferguson came out with computer model projections.

01:47:42.700 Wait for this.

01:47:44.580 But up to half a million British people could die from this virus.

01:47:52.240 Immediately, of course, you're saying to a prime minister, to be fair, this is how many could die.

01:47:59.240 Our projections say so.

01:48:00.340 And you'll be responsible if you don't lock down the country.

01:48:03.800 So immediately there was a big backtrack and Britain was locked down.

01:48:07.860 And we have like America economic Armageddon and human Armageddon.

01:48:14.320 Immediately the lockdown was in place.

01:48:17.920 Ferguson and Imperial College start reeling back and say, oh, no, probably less than 20,000.

01:48:24.980 But the half a million has got the lockdown.

01:48:27.660 Now, and computer models are perfect because what comes out as a projection is dictated by what goes in as data.

01:48:39.760 He was the man, by the way, who said that between one and two million plus people in America could die from this virus.

01:48:47.620 Same guy.

01:48:48.160 And there's a scam going on here.

01:48:51.520 There's a scam of creating a massive manufactured problem that devastates and destroys the world economy and hurls billions of people into the lower reaches of this Hunger Games society.

01:49:07.140 That's what's going on.

01:49:08.400 And they don't need a virus for that.

01:49:09.840 They just need the perception of one.

01:49:12.180 So, so again, so you just went to two different places, David.

01:49:18.220 First, you said virus is not real.

01:49:20.820 Then you went to Tucker Carlson is getting it because he's saying the fact that it's not as infectious as others are saying it is.

01:49:28.620 Those are two different conversations.

01:49:30.440 No, no, no, they're not.

01:49:31.820 No, they're not.

01:49:32.900 No, they're absolutely are not.

01:49:35.380 One is a lower R-naught score.

01:49:37.160 No, no, no.

01:49:38.180 Wait a minute.

01:49:38.940 It's about perception.

01:49:41.300 Those are two different statements.

01:49:42.740 I have to hold you accountable to that, though, David.

01:49:44.660 You said this.

01:49:45.380 We don't even know for that.

01:49:46.780 Please, please.

01:49:48.040 They're not two different statements.

01:49:49.900 Just let me explain for a second.

01:49:54.240 It's about perception.

01:49:57.000 My perception is, from my research ever since this started, is there is no virus.

01:50:04.160 Tucker Carlson's perception is that there is.

01:50:09.180 And his first movement away from the official story is that the infections and the death rate of the virus he perceives to be real is nothing like they're telling us.

01:50:26.720 Therefore, he's starting to question the official story while still believing there is a virus.

01:50:34.860 I think he's doing a great job.

01:50:35.880 I am going much further than that.

01:50:38.200 So he has a different perception of me in terms of the virus.

01:50:40.760 Fair enough.

01:50:41.440 What he's doing is moving away from the official narrative and starting to question it.

01:50:46.620 And if he goes on questioning it, he'll end up, well, I am.

01:50:49.660 I don't know about that.

01:50:50.900 He'll never say so.

01:50:51.760 He'll never say so.

01:50:52.700 I don't know about that part because about the non-existent, that's a complete different conversation.

01:50:58.020 Well, that's all right.

01:50:58.800 Don't believe it then, mate.

01:50:59.840 Again, as I've said all along in this chat, I'm not trying to get people to believe anything.

01:51:04.960 I'm saying here's some information.

01:51:07.300 Make of it what you will.

01:51:08.400 And by the way, let us not forget this.

01:51:13.160 While this guy in a one-bedroom flat in England has done one interview, well, more than one

01:51:21.300 interview, interviews on this subject, the mainstream media 24-7 in every single country is banging

01:51:32.040 out, unquestioned, the official story that's given to them by the authorities, unquestioned,

01:51:39.380 just banging it out, repeaters, propagandists.

01:51:42.420 And yet, someone having a different view is somehow outrageous.

01:51:50.080 And look at YouTube and Vimeo and Facebook, one guy in this little flat in England does

01:52:00.640 an interview with Brian Rose on London Real, and it was like someone shouted, fire!

01:52:08.460 One guy!

01:52:09.640 Compared with the global media putting out the official story.

01:52:13.960 Why?

01:52:15.300 Because truth is far more powerful and lethal than lies.

01:52:21.540 I don't—we're on the same page with the media.

01:52:25.300 I don't think you're going to get any kind of dispute there because I agree with that.

01:52:28.320 We both know only a handful of people own a majority of the media worldwide, and we need

01:52:33.100 more free platforms like YouTube.

01:52:35.420 But you also know if you're married to a woman and you've got a wife, you can say,

01:52:39.640 I love you a million times, and you say that one word, once you say the wrong thing to

01:52:44.740 your wife or your spouse, they're going to remember that one thing.

01:52:47.160 Not a thousand times you said, I love you.

01:52:48.860 Kids have this issue with their parents.

01:52:50.760 I will never forget when I was seven years old, you said this, but I took care of you

01:52:54.740 the other 11 years, but that one time.

01:52:56.680 So you said a lot of things that are things to really think about, but a couple of things

01:53:01.240 you say kind of takes it to a complete different direction.

01:53:04.920 So let me go a different route.

01:53:06.380 Now, still on the topic of 5G, I'm curious to know what you think about this here.

01:53:11.060 The CEO of 5G, Huawei, stepped down yesterday.

01:53:14.160 I don't know if you heard or not.

01:53:15.200 The CEO of Huawei, he stepped down yesterday, ran, and a new guy was replaced named Xinpu,

01:53:20.820 which no one knows a lot about him.

01:53:23.460 And a couple of things happened here.

01:53:25.300 This has to do a little bit with you.

01:53:26.800 British intelligence is now saying that UK needs to reconsider their relationship with

01:53:31.260 Huawei.

01:53:31.560 And when they said this, British, you're from UK, stricter control of high tech and other

01:53:37.520 industries.

01:53:38.880 Huawei sent an open letter yesterday, an open letter yesterday, which you ought to read.

01:53:43.880 Yeah, I saw it.

01:53:45.040 Not to change its partnership on 5G with Huawei, or else it will cause them harm.

01:53:51.040 Now, you know, this is similar happening to France as well.

01:53:54.920 The difference is Britain, you know, UK have kind of agreed to want to do this.

01:53:58.020 You know, I've never been too comfortable with Huawei.

01:54:01.800 I've never trusted Huawei.

01:54:03.420 I've never seen the intentions there.

01:54:06.880 And my thoughts are different than yours, where you think 5G is helping coronavirus spread,

01:54:12.580 which I'm not there at all.

01:54:14.100 I'm more from the standpoint of China wants to be able to control, and their motivation

01:54:18.220 was to control and gather data.

01:54:20.460 And one of the ways to do it is to do this.

01:54:22.160 What made it very interesting is the following, while they're negotiating with France on these

01:54:28.120 ventilators, the medical equipment that China is making for France, China has said, if you

01:54:35.440 want the medical equipment, you have to be willing to install Huawei 5G in France, and

01:54:43.120 France is now backing out of it.

01:54:44.860 So what are some of your thoughts with what's going on with Huawei and 5G?

01:54:49.560 Not from coronavirus standpoint, just purely from Huawei 5G standpoint.

01:54:53.880 Well, first of all, I keep coming back to this, but it's important.

01:54:58.100 I'm not saying that 5G is causing the coronavirus, because I'm saying that there's no evidence

01:55:07.940 scientifically that there is one.

01:55:10.320 There's coronavirus, there's a big family of viruses, but I mean COVID-19.

01:55:14.220 What I'm saying is, 5G is incredibly destructive to the human body and the human mind, because

01:55:22.300 of its frequency, its frequency power.

01:55:24.060 By the way, just a very quick one.

01:55:25.840 The American law enforcement and the Israeli law enforcement, and it'll be the same around

01:55:30.180 the world when it gets there, use 5G frequencies to disperse crowds of protesters.

01:55:36.680 Because what they do, they have these trucks, and they fire this millimeter wave, 5G frequency

01:55:44.600 range frequency, and the skin is an antenna.

01:55:49.720 This is well known by science.

01:55:51.500 The skin is an antenna.

01:55:52.800 It decodes frequencies.

01:55:53.860 And what the skin does with these 5G frequencies from these military law enforcement trucks, is

01:56:03.540 they decode this frequency they bang out into a feeling that their skin is on fire.

01:56:10.500 This is all in military documents, it's not speculation.

01:56:14.560 And the people scatter because they want to get away from the frequency, so their skin doesn't

01:56:20.600 feel like it's on fire.

01:56:21.700 So, that's one frequency, part of the frequency band of 5G.

01:56:27.620 The idea, when the skin and the sweat ducts, scientists have pointed out, of antenna that

01:56:35.440 interact with 5G frequencies, that that's not going to be damaging, is insane.

01:56:42.040 And one of the things that 5G does is undermine the immune system, and therefore will open you

01:56:50.520 up to a lot of other things.

01:56:51.760 But what I'm saying about 5G and this alleged virus is that this extreme lung condition that

01:57:02.240 some people seem to be getting, that is equivalent to oxygen deficit, this 60 gigahertz frequency

01:57:13.520 of the 5G range would produce that.

01:57:16.560 That's what I'm saying.

01:57:17.800 My main point is not about 5G.

01:57:21.220 It's about the fact that the virus death rate and case rate is being manipulated by A, the

01:57:27.200 test, and B, the diagnosis of COVID-19 for everything that moves.

01:57:33.240 So, you know, but what is happening?

01:57:37.080 I talked about this smart grid where everything is connected to a smart web.

01:57:44.520 All your domestic appliances, your smart meters, eventually the human brain connected to AI.

01:57:52.100 It's all connected to this grid called the smart grid.

01:57:54.600 And it's what I've been calling for decades, the technological sub-reality they were in

01:57:59.360 the process of creating.

01:58:00.560 Now they're calling it the smart grid.

01:58:02.560 And we're having smart cities and all this stuff going on.

01:58:06.060 Now for this smart grid to function, it needs at least 5G levels of communicative power.

01:58:13.920 And for the smart grid to encompass the entire planet, there has to be 5G on every inch of

01:58:20.820 the planet.

01:58:21.240 That's why the musks and people are putting tens of thousands of satellites up, firing 5G

01:58:27.200 at the earth to cover the entirety of the earth, because it's part of this technological

01:58:32.020 sub-reality system to be run by the technocrats controlling the Hunger Games society.

01:58:39.660 And you know how many people around the world are sitting at home because their business is

01:58:47.940 considered non-essential and people who go out are picked up by the police and fined, sometimes

01:58:56.280 even jailed for being out of their homes at the wrong time or in the wrong place.

01:59:01.200 But what is considered essential business and work is banging out worldwide.

01:59:12.120 And the evidence for this is overwhelming from people who've said, oh, another 5G towers are

01:59:18.220 going up around my house.

01:59:19.420 Somebody says it in this country, in that country, in that country.

01:59:23.040 It's overwhelming, and I know because it's happening around me, is that while people are

01:59:28.360 under lockdown, house arrest, and there's no possibility, at least unless people challenge

01:59:37.480 authority, of protest, 5G is being rapidly rolled out all over the Western world and beyond.

01:59:46.060 By the end of this, they will have this 5G communicative system with more and more satellites

01:59:53.300 going up, getting closer and closer to what they want to run this smart grid, which will

01:59:57.940 include controlling the human brain via AI connection.

02:00:01.780 So whether it's Huawei or some other company, in the end, as you go back, you'll find they're

02:00:10.140 controlled by the same force ultimately, which is driving this whole smart grid.

02:00:14.300 And what you get, I said that the cult has no borders, but it wants to maintain an illusion

02:00:22.860 of borders and an illusion of competition, to maintain the illusion that there is no force

02:00:33.000 that's behind all of it.

02:00:34.940 So these things between China and America and all these things, yes, on one level they're

02:00:40.600 happening, but get to the cult level of both countries, they're both on the same team,

02:00:45.800 driving the world in the same direction.

02:00:47.880 And that same team, are you going back to the whole New World Order and Illuminati, all

02:00:52.260 of that when you say the same team?

02:00:53.840 Yeah, they're all names for different aspects of the same web, yes, and different aspects

02:01:00.860 of, and specializations within the web.

02:01:05.860 Yes, they're all connected.

02:01:08.360 So who would you say is the most powerful family right now in the world?

02:01:11.280 Any names today that you would say are the most powerful?

02:01:14.180 If you're saying there's a, you know, somebody behind closed doors that's moving everything

02:01:19.160 like a puppeteer, who are the most powerful people in the world?

02:01:22.540 Well, if you look through the history of this, the Rothschilds have been massively, massively

02:01:27.940 at the heart of this.

02:01:28.860 So have the Rockefellers.

02:01:30.260 But if you go deep, deep, deep into the web, to those secret societies around the spider,

02:01:36.560 they won't be on public display.

02:01:38.160 They won't be on public display.

02:01:40.400 And therefore, they're very difficult to identify.

02:01:42.920 But you can identify their outcomes, their agendas as they play out.

02:01:49.380 And because there is an agenda that can be accessed if you work your ass off, then that's why

02:01:58.100 my books have been so accurate, because you expose the agenda, you predict the future.

02:02:03.200 The whole point of my life is to alert enough people of what the agenda is and where it's

02:02:10.440 going for there to be an intervention to stop it.

02:02:14.480 That's the whole point.

02:02:15.280 The whole point of what I do.

02:02:16.380 I mean, you know, I could do other things with my life, but I get up at four or five

02:02:22.320 o'clock in the morning.

02:02:23.040 I work all day till I go to bed.

02:02:24.520 And I do that seven days a week because I don't, I mean, I'm just coming up now.

02:02:32.240 You mentioned earlier, April the 29th, to my 68th birthday.

02:02:37.740 You know, another two years, I'll be 70.

02:02:40.180 This is not about me.

02:02:41.860 And it's not for me what I do.

02:02:44.860 I don't want to see my children and my grandchildren living in a global Orwellian, fascistic, technocratic,

02:02:55.620 controlled, non-democratic world.

02:02:58.900 I don't want anyone else's kids and grandkids to be living in that.

02:03:03.340 That's why I do what I do.

02:03:05.280 And what's in it for me?

02:03:06.940 Oh, he makes lots of money.

02:03:08.220 Oh, really?

02:03:08.780 So why do I live in a one-bedroom bloody flat and have done since 2001?

02:03:13.400 I'm not a material person.

02:03:15.000 I want to see the world being free from this manipulation and this control, which is getting

02:03:22.320 more incessant by the day.

02:03:24.560 And that's what I do what I do.

02:03:26.140 And I'm saying, here's some information.

02:03:28.260 Make of it what you will.

02:03:30.200 Because I'm not trying to convince anybody.

02:03:33.080 Well, that's a mugs game.

02:03:34.580 People have to come to their own conclusions and not be forced and manipulated into doing

02:03:39.840 so.

02:03:41.200 David, have you ever read the book Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard?

02:03:43.980 Yeah, a long time ago.

02:03:46.800 What do you think about it?

02:03:48.000 Well, I think that, well, El Ron Hubbard, of course, was in naval intelligence, as I recall.

02:03:55.280 I think the whole Scientology thing is an aspect of this cult.

02:04:00.940 And same with some of these other religions, like Jehovah's Witnesses and stuff.

02:04:07.100 And because all these groups are compartmentalized, the vast majority of people in them will have

02:04:12.660 no idea that they're part of this web.

02:04:16.620 But at the core, will.

02:04:17.940 And that's how it works.

02:04:19.140 Who do you trust?

02:04:20.100 Who do you trust today?

02:04:21.420 Who does David Icke trust today?

02:04:23.380 I trust my own instincts, my own intuition, based on factual support.

02:04:33.080 I trust my family, because they have shown themselves to be extraordinarily loyal and genuine.

02:04:40.740 And I trust other people who have shown themselves over a period of time, a considerable period

02:04:46.800 of time, to be trustworthy and to care about what they're doing and to be committed to it.

02:04:53.240 And other than that, my jury's out until it's shown to be otherwise.

02:05:01.180 You know, what part was impressive, I'm going to go to the last part here and we'll wrap

02:05:05.520 up, is the fact that you and your first wife, Linda, were married for 29 years.

02:05:12.780 And there was a scene of you guys talking and you're still friends, even though it didn't

02:05:17.400 work out.

02:05:18.080 You're still friends.

02:05:19.500 And your relationship, that said a lot about if somebody's been with you for 29 years and

02:05:23.820 she's still, even after that.

02:05:25.320 Well, we were together, married for 29 years, but we're still together.

02:05:30.880 She's a great friend and support, lives just down the road.

02:05:36.980 Very interesting, by the way.

02:05:38.700 10-minute walk away.

02:05:40.560 All these years later, I met Linda for the first time at a dance hall when I was a professional

02:05:48.960 footballer, a really young one.

02:05:51.580 And that would have been in 1970, 1971, we met.

02:06:01.640 We married within a matter of literally a few months with no money.

02:06:07.200 And she's still my mate.

02:06:10.360 So, you know, relationships may change their nature, but love never dies.

02:06:17.400 That's a whole different topic, but I just wanted to bring that up.

02:06:19.840 That was impressive.

02:06:20.520 David, I'm going to give you names and tell me the first word that comes to your mind.

02:06:24.680 It's called Speed Round.

02:06:26.100 I'll give you a name.

02:06:26.880 Tell me the first thing that comes to your mind.

02:06:28.560 All right.

02:06:29.200 Okay.

02:06:30.600 Tedros Anhanom.

02:06:31.940 I don't get that one.

02:06:33.440 Tedros.

02:06:34.000 He is the director of World Health Organization.

02:06:36.880 Oh, Tedros?

02:06:41.020 Gates's mouth.

02:06:43.040 Bill Gates.

02:06:45.180 Psychopath.

02:06:46.540 Elon Musk.

02:06:48.140 Psychopath.

02:06:49.240 President Trump.

02:06:50.520 Someone who doesn't really understand what's going on around him.

02:06:57.160 Has certain instincts which are pushed back by those around him who are controlling events

02:07:04.380 and owned 100% by Israel.

02:07:07.940 Boris Johnson.

02:07:09.560 Bewildered.

02:07:10.960 Allowed himself to be bounced into this by the dark suits.

02:07:14.640 Winston Churchill.

02:07:17.720 Not what he appeared to be.

02:07:20.580 Xi Jinping.

02:07:22.280 Who's that?

02:07:23.360 Xi Jinping.

02:07:24.760 The leader of China.

02:07:26.500 Oh, the present guy?

02:07:27.920 Yes.

02:07:29.180 A cult operative to his DNA.

02:07:32.980 Anthony Fauci.

02:07:35.040 Gates's mouthpiece.

02:07:37.340 Gates's mouthpiece.

02:07:38.320 Andrew Kaufman.

02:07:40.180 Genuine man trying to do genuine things.

02:07:43.480 Princess Diana.

02:07:44.860 Died because of what she knew.

02:07:46.860 Alex Jones.

02:07:48.280 Someone who's done his best for a long time to alert a lot of people.

02:07:52.960 Don't agree with everything he says.

02:07:54.420 Don't agree with everything he does.

02:07:55.800 But he's made a contribution to a lot of people waking up.

02:08:00.720 Queen Elizabeth.

02:08:02.180 Bloodline of the cult.

02:08:04.760 And the idea that we have a head of state chosen by bloodline in 2020 is hysterically ludicrous.

02:08:17.460 John Robinson.

02:08:18.860 Who's that?

02:08:20.220 Okay, it's fine.

02:08:21.480 John Lear.

02:08:22.320 Read a lot of his stuff a long time ago.

02:08:25.400 I think he knows a lot about hidden technology and all that side of things.

02:08:30.560 But it was back in the 90s I read his stuff.

02:08:33.220 Gary Allen.

02:08:34.980 Jerry Allen?

02:08:36.300 Gary Allen.

02:08:37.600 Gary Allen.

02:08:39.260 Oh, Gary Allen.

02:08:40.420 Oh, yeah.

02:08:41.140 I read his books a long time ago.

02:08:43.400 And I think he had a lot of correct things to say.

02:08:46.980 Richard Hoagland.

02:08:47.740 Richard Hoagland.

02:08:50.880 Yes, yes.

02:08:52.240 He's the space NASA man.

02:08:55.420 I've not heard about Richard for a long time and what's happened to him.

02:08:58.640 But, yeah, he's got some interesting things to say.

02:09:01.040 Don't agree with all of them.

02:09:02.360 Jim Mars.

02:09:03.120 Lovely guy.

02:09:06.120 A good old boy who saw that the world was not like he was told it was and did a lot of great work from the Kennedy assassination onwards.

02:09:17.080 Stephen Greer.

02:09:17.840 Wouldn't trust him to tell me the time in a room full of clocks.

02:09:22.980 Wow.

02:09:23.660 Bob Hope.

02:09:24.900 If people knew the real Bob Hope, they would be staggered, involved in mind control programs and abuse of women.

02:09:37.940 Kissinger.

02:09:38.400 One of the most evil people ever to have drawn breath in my lifetime on this planet.

02:09:45.960 David Icke, thank you for being you and telling us your story and spending nearly three hours with us.

02:09:55.980 Some of the topics a little bit uncomfortable.

02:09:58.100 You were willing to talk about it, and I appreciate you doing that.

02:10:01.300 And we're going to put the links below of everybody that can go to your website for the stories that you were talking about.

02:10:06.580 If you could kindly send us the specific links, we'll send them there.

02:10:10.300 And, again, appreciate you for taking time to come in and being a guest on Valuetainment.

02:10:13.400 It's been a real pleasure, mate.

02:10:14.660 It's been a real hoot.

02:10:16.020 Thank you very much.

02:10:16.860 See ya.

02:10:17.540 Take care.

02:10:18.000 Bye-bye.

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Valuetainment - June 05, 2020

Episode 474： David Icke - Conspiracy Theorist or Journalist？

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