Valuetainment - Episode 478： Life After Coronavirus - Will It Ever Be the Same？

00:00:00.000 I'm Patrick Medevi, your host of Valuetainment, and today I'm sitting down with General Spaulding.

00:00:25.700 We brought him back for a second time because the last time we did the interview when he

00:00:29.000 talked about 5G, they got 15 million views on all across the board with different platforms.

00:00:33.320 Today, we're going to talk about life after coronavirus. Robert, we appreciate you for

00:00:37.980 coming back and being a guest on Valuetainment again. Great to be back, and I brought the Hulk

00:00:42.020 with me. I feel very safe. We got two of them now, one to protect you and one to protect me on this

00:00:46.920 side here. So, Robert, let's get right into it. So, is this a pandemic or is this a plandemic?

00:00:51.940 Well, you know, that's a hard question to answer because, you know, we're dealing with a totalitarian

00:00:58.900 regime. If we had perfect knowledge of what the Chinese Communist Party's plans were, I think

00:01:04.220 we could answer that. But, you know, we have to intuit based on what facts we do have. So,

00:01:11.000 we do know, for example, that there's a P4 lab in Wuhan. That lab, a researcher was doing 0.96

00:01:21.680 gain-of-function research on bat-related coronaviruses and published a paper on that.

00:01:30.240 And that paper talked about the ability to infect humans. We do know that. We also know that on

00:01:38.300 January 7th, the WHO met in Geneva and talked about the fact that there was human-to-human

00:01:45.600 transmission going on. And in fact, we also know that in Wuhan, they knew in December, there was

00:01:53.580 human-to-human transmission. And of course, we also know that Xi Jinping met with the Politburo Standing

00:02:01.540 Committee where they, and he talked about taking control of the growing pandemic on the 7th of

00:02:15.520 January. So, we know that he knew that he had human-to-human transmission. And so, let me revise

00:02:23.540 that. On the 23rd of January, the WHO met in Geneva and talked about human-to-human transmission.

00:02:29.120 On the, somewhere around the 22nd or 23rd of January, we know that Wuhan was locked down.

00:02:36.180 And at that time, the Wuhan mayor made a statement that already 5 million people from Chinese New

00:02:43.320 Year's had left the city to the four corners of the earth. So, what we know is they were doing work

00:02:49.920 on the virus. We don't know if that's where it came from or if it came from the wet market. And we

00:02:55.380 can't know that because the Chinese Communist Party is not going to allow us into the lab. They're not

00:03:01.240 going to allow us to talk to the researchers. All the data has been scrubbed. We don't know. What we do

00:03:06.660 know for a fact is both the Chinese Communist Party leadership and the WHO leadership knew there was

00:03:16.640 human-to-human transmission prior to the five million people leaving when they locked down

00:03:22.380 Wuhan. So, pandemic, pandemic, I don't know. But in terms of the origin of the virus, I do know

00:03:29.900 that in terms of the pandemic itself, you could call that a pandemic because they knew that there

00:03:37.080 was human-to-human transmission and they let those people leave. And you know, the president

00:03:42.040 acted quickly to shut down flights to and from China. And thank God he did. The problem is that

00:03:48.720 we kept them coming from Europe. So, you see the big infection happening in New York because of travel

00:03:55.420 coming to and from Europe where the Chinese people that had left Wuhan went into Europe and created the 0.56

00:04:02.940 infections that spread to New York. So, now to manage expectation with the audience,

00:04:09.080 I think it's important to know why you're an expert in the topic of China. Robert, if you don't mind

00:04:13.760 taking a moment and sharing with the rest of us, those who haven't seen your interview, on what your

00:04:20.220 experience has been with CCP, with China. So, you know, I lived in China for the first time from 2002

00:04:29.280 to 2004. I was a major in the Air Force. I was an Olmstead scholar. I studied at Tongji University.

00:04:36.260 Before that, I had spent a year studying Chinese language at the Defense Language Institute. So,

00:04:42.300 I spoke Chinese. I moved there in 2002 with my family. That was right after China entered the WTO.

00:04:49.620 So, we went all over the country. I learned about the people, the culture, the history, the geography,

00:04:54.900 and traveled widely within China. So, I really understood China. I didn't understand the Chinese

00:05:01.740 Communist Party or the government. As I went on in my career as a B-2 pilot, the Air Force decided to

00:05:08.840 send me back to China to be the defense attache and the senior defense official in Beijing.

00:05:14.840 In order to prepare for that, they sent me to the Council on Foreign Relations for a year

00:05:19.960 in New York City to meet with a lot of our industry and finance leaders and corporate leaders.

00:05:25.360 I then went to the Pentagon where I advised the chairman on strategy with regard to China for

00:05:31.580 two years, first Chairman Dempsey, then Chairman Dunford. And during that time, I had a team of

00:05:38.780 China experts that were solely focused on understanding the China competition with the

00:05:45.260 United States in economics, finance, trade, information, media, propaganda, all elements of

00:05:52.600 the competition. And I went from there to be the senior defense official in Beijing.

00:05:59.380 And almost immediately after the six months I spent there, I went to the White House to be the

00:06:06.180 senior director for strategy at the National Security Council, where I was a chief architect for

00:06:12.580 the national security strategy that we're currently implementing with regard to the globe, but more

00:06:19.680 specifically China. And if you don't mind also sharing why you were fired a few months later after

00:06:28.820 being hired, what caused you to be fired when you started speaking on a certain topic, it kind of

00:06:35.120 raised some eyebrows. What happened there? After the national security strategy was primarily in form

00:06:42.340 in its final form, and I felt like we had the right framework for it, I started an intense study on

00:06:51.880 5G. And I brought in all the experts, not from in terms of policy, but in terms of engineering and

00:06:58.900 science, really to understand the technology. And then what we did is talked about for about six months,

00:07:05.780 the opportunities and challenges with regard to 5G. And at that point, I realized that we had a

00:07:13.900 significant problem with the collection of data in democracies all over the globe by the Chinese 1.00

00:07:21.080 Communist Party, and that 5G was going to actually increase or amplify that collection of data, not

00:07:27.600 just for economic benefit of China, but also for intelligence collection and influence of our society.

00:07:34.220 I wrote a report that was intended to stay within government to explain those opportunities and

00:07:42.220 challenges. And I actually briefed that report to many of the cabinet members in the current Trump

00:07:49.000 administration. What happened was the telco industry, you know, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint

00:07:56.400 found out about the report, were concerned that it might lead to some kind of changes in terms of

00:08:03.260 how we regulate the collection of data on Americans, and pushed really hard with their lobbyists in

00:08:10.240 Washington, D.C. to have me removed from the White House. And who were the two characters that

00:08:16.140 were not happy about you speaking against China? One on each side, one was a Democrat, one was a

00:08:21.440 Republican. Well, you know, so in the book, I talk about, and it's really, it's meant to be

00:08:27.320 representative of both parties, really, and the influence of the Chinese Communist Party in both

00:08:33.120 parties. So in my book, I talk about both Senator Mitch McConnell, who has, through his wife, ties to

00:08:40.900 the former general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, Jiang Zemin, and of course, Joe Biden, who,

00:08:47.300 through his son, Hunter, you know, Hunter had gotten, I think, a billion and a half dollars from the

00:08:53.640 Chinese Communist Party for a, for a private equity fund. So, you know, I really try to explain that

00:08:59.340 it's happening on both sides of the aisle. Perfect. And the reason why I wanted us to start

00:09:03.860 there with the basis is, those who haven't seen this, you know, you're not leaning one side or the

00:09:09.340 other. It's very neutral, and it's not a conspiracy. This isn't something where you're, you know, you

00:09:14.840 create content. You're not a content creator. You're somebody who was a general. You're somebody that

00:09:19.820 directly had experience living in China, and you're giving us your expertise based on data you have

00:09:24.940 access to that some of us maybe don't have access to. We definitely don't have access to with the

00:09:28.980 research you can do. Now, before I get into some of the other stuff, Robert, I took this approach with

00:09:34.460 Gordon Chang that I had on. Gordon Chang was on that documentary that you were also part of with Epoch

00:09:40.520 Times that I think was launched a couple weeks ago. And I also had Daniel DiMartino Booth, who was also on

00:09:47.440 here. We talked more on the finance side. And then this morning, I had David Icahn, which many would

00:09:52.020 call him a conspiracy theorist. He calls himself a conspiracy researcher. And it's confused a lot

00:09:57.820 of people out there, and it's scared the head of a lot of people because they're hearing a lot of

00:10:00.780 things. I'm going to ask you what some claims that are being made out there, and you're a very

00:10:06.120 reasonable guy. How much credibility would you give to this? Robert, if you don't mind just saying

00:10:10.800 zero, maybe a little bit, 100% that's accurate. That'll give the audience a better understanding of

00:10:16.640 what your views are with this. Are you comfortable with that? Sure. Okay, number one, is coronavirus

00:10:20.860 real? Does it exist? Yes. Okay. Number two, is 5G the reason for the spread of coronavirus? No.

00:10:29.260 Number three, is it natural or is it man-made? That I would lean towards man, I would lean towards

00:10:38.500 it's natural, but I believe this particular strain was modified in a lab.

00:10:45.520 Tell me why you say that. Because the species of bat that it's purported to have come from

00:10:53.240 doesn't, it doesn't exist in Wuhan. And so the idea that came from the Wuhan wet market and then

00:11:00.820 jumped to civet cat and then jumped to human, I just find implausible. Did you see the report that

00:11:07.660 came in yesterday from an insider that said, source believes coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab as part

00:11:14.220 of China's efforts to compete against US? And John Roberts asked a question from President Trump.

00:11:21.260 More and more, we're hearing the story. We are doing a very thorough examination of the horrible

00:11:25.420 situation. Apparently there's a patient zero. Have you heard about this patient zero where the initial

00:11:30.720 transmission of the virus was bat to human and that patient zero worked at the laboratory, 0.74

00:11:35.060 then went into the population in Wuhan and then it spread? How much credibility do you give to that

00:11:40.820 source and that story? My sense is, you know, if I was going to give a probability to did this,

00:11:47.620 was this an accident? And again, I'm basing this on the fact of the Washington Post article that said

00:11:53.200 that there was a state cable from the US embassy explaining that they were concerned about the safety

00:12:00.580 precautions that were taking, that they witnessed were being taken in the P4 lab in 2018. So I'm leaning towards

00:12:10.160 it was probably accidentally released as kind of the how it escaped. And so I find that story, particularly because

00:12:21.000 that person's been wiped from the logs of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, I find that to be more

00:12:29.680 credible than anything. Okay, that's good to hear. Is this China retaliating to Donald Trump due to strong

00:12:38.080 measures he took on the tariffs? So it's a form of revenge and retaliation to hurt the economy because

00:12:44.660 that's the one car Trump could use. And if the market drops and the Dow drops, it hurts the chances

00:12:49.860 of Trump getting reelected. Okay, so now you're talking about why they allowed the 5 million people

00:12:57.880 to leave Wuhan? Are we still talking about if it wasn't an accident that the virus escaped?

00:13:05.460 Yeah, so both ways. So for me, it's they knew that this was happening. They said, well, let it go out

00:13:10.880 there. Because if it does, it hurts their economy. We don't like this guy. He's strong arming us. We

00:13:16.940 want somebody else that we can negotiate with. We've done dealings with Biden in the past before

00:13:21.380 we'd rather have Biden as president than Trump as president. Okay, so if we go back to the or the

00:13:28.160 source of the virus, and I said, I think it's it's more probable that it was an accident that it was

00:13:34.840 accidentally released. If you went to the lower probability and said it was purposely released,

00:13:40.420 then I would say the the likelihood that it was aimed at the United States, I think would be

00:13:46.860 a low probability. You know, if it was purposely released, I would put as internal domestic political

00:13:55.800 reasons as more probable. In other words, somebody was trying to damage Xi, because of the the harsh

00:14:06.560 measures around the anti corruption campaign that he's used to basically shore up power. So I would

00:14:13.120 think it would be I don't think it's probable. But if that is this explanation, I would say it's more

00:14:18.940 likely that it was domestic politics, not, you know, aimed at the United States. Now, in terms of why the

00:14:27.320 five million people were allowed to leave Wuhan, it could be that at that point, they realize that they

00:14:35.320 had a problem that they couldn't contain. And rather than having that be only China that had to deal with 0.79

00:14:42.960 that and, and, and create the the economic devastation that the Coronavirus has created, that it would be

00:14:50.640 much more better for them in terms of geopolitics, if the entire world was infected, because then

00:14:57.840 everybody's dealing with it, not just them.

00:15:02.520 So that's a complete different angle, because now you're thinking somebody from the inside in China who

00:15:07.900 is not happy with Xi is a kind of retaliating through this. That's that would be I don't think

00:15:14.440 that's probable. I'm saying, I think it's probable it's an accident. But if somehow we were to find

00:15:20.740 out this was purposely done, you know, sometime in the future, something happens in the Chinese

00:15:25.420 Communist Party is no more. And we get access to the archives and interview people. And we find out

00:15:30.880 it was done purposely. My guess is at that point, if it was, we would find out that it was aimed at Xi.

00:15:37.560 Okay, interesting. So so far, right now, we have 2.164 million cases as of today. Today is April 16,

00:15:47.880 233. While I'm saying this, we have 144,313 deaths, of which 33,903 is in US. So knowing those numbers,

00:15:58.440 knowing those numbers. The other story you're hearing about is the fact that the death toll isn't

00:16:04.520 necessarily true. Because many other forms of death are being blamed to Coronavirus, even though main

00:16:11.960 cause wasn't Coronavirus, which what which makes it not as deadly as what a lot of reports are coming in.

00:16:21.720 And you're and you're asking me, you know, what I think about that, that

00:16:26.760 what I'm asking you is, what how much weight you put behind the fact that people are saying,

00:16:31.640 these numbers that are coming in with the death toll of Coronavirus, how deadly it is,

00:16:35.000 it is not as deadly it is because the way they're putting the reporting, they're saying it's death

00:16:39.560 due to Coronavirus, versus the person was going to die anyways, but they also ended up having Coronavirus.

00:16:44.840 So the statistics makes it scarier with the death toll we're getting with Coronavirus.

00:16:50.760 I don't know if they're purposely making it scarier. I do know that we have a problem with statistics,

00:16:56.360 we we actually don't know what the true numbers are. And we're in what we're trying to do is more

00:17:03.640 finally, you know, resolve what the true numbers are, I think there are some problems with the way

00:17:09.400 that we're collecting data. And particularly, if you look at the you know, what the CDC said, how they're

00:17:16.360 going to count, you know, some of that is using other means other than a positive COV19 test. So,

00:17:27.800 you know, it could be that, you know, some there's some miscounting there. I think the bigger problem is

00:17:34.040 that we don't know in the broader population, the total percentage of infected people because

00:17:41.400 we don't know how many are asymptomatic.

00:17:46.920 So far, apparently, 1% of US has been tested. 1% of US has been tested. What what is the best way

00:17:53.480 for us to get the best kind of data on this? What do you suggest self testing? Is that the only way?

00:17:58.520 Well, you know, I think statistics would say that you would do a random sampling of the population,

00:18:05.160 and that would give you the kind of data that you need without having to test everybody. And I think

00:18:12.440 if we institute a random random sampling of the population, much like we do for, you know, the,

00:18:20.600 you know, polling of data, then we'd have much closer numbers in terms of what percentage of the

00:18:28.680 population has actually been influenced by the virus.

00:18:32.040 Okay, again, that's why if the audience is watching this, you're a reasonable man, you don't get

00:18:40.120 excited about a conspiracy, you're just a matter of fact type of person, which gives a lot of comfort

00:18:45.400 to some of the people that are watching. Because when you do say something, there's a lot of weight

00:18:49.560 behind it. No wonder the 5G video everybody was watching saying, this man seems like a reasonable

00:18:54.520 man to give his counsel. Here's another one. Another one you're hearing about is the fact that

00:18:59.320 coronavirus is being used as a way of eliminating the older population to save many countries money 1.00

00:19:06.280 due to the cost of, you know, insurance of the elderly. What are your thoughts about that?

00:19:11.640 That's just a very cynical way of looking at the world. I just can't imagine that anybody would come

00:19:17.240 up with something like that. That's more like the CIA, you know, was responsible for 9-11.

00:19:23.160 Okay, that's good to know. So that's where you are with that one. Okay, how about the Bill Gates

00:19:28.440 and vaccines? You know, the TED talk he gave in 2015. And then, you know, after he gives a TED talk

00:19:34.280 for 2015 about one of the things we have to worry about is pandemic. Then I go research an interview

00:19:40.440 he did with Dr. Gupta in 2011, I believe February of 2011, where Dr. Gupta asks tens of billions of

00:19:47.800 dollars over the next 10 years to make the year of the vaccines. What does that mean exactly? And

00:19:52.840 in Bill Gates' response, over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made in both

00:19:58.040 inventing new vaccines and making sure they got, they get out to all the children who need them.

00:20:03.560 We only need about six or seven more, and then you would have all the tools to reduce

00:20:09.000 childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything, the stability, the environment,

00:20:14.280 et cetera, et cetera. How much of this has to do with reducing population growth? Because there are

00:20:19.880 people that are working, I don't want to say the word depopulation, but a method of reducing

00:20:24.600 population growth, because long term, we cannot sustain constant population growth that we have.

00:20:31.080 Well, what you see, and typically in developing countries, is as they become more wealthy,

00:20:36.920 they tend to produce fewer children. So it isn't, they tend to top out at, and we don't get to a

00:20:45.080 situation where, you know, they're overpopulating their area. In fact, some of the developed countries

00:20:51.400 are actually being depopulated because they don't have enough, you know, population growth. So I don't

00:20:58.200 really, I don't really find it plausible that we need a vaccine to, you know, you know, get rid of

00:21:06.760 a bunch of old people because we have too many people. I just don't, that doesn't make any sense 1.00

00:21:11.960 to me. We, you know, we, it doesn't follow the pattern of kind of development of societies.

00:21:17.400 So if, if, if they were to announce the vaccine is out and Bill Gates is coming out with the vaccine,

00:21:22.120 would you take that vaccine?

00:21:23.400 Dr. For the coronavirus?

00:21:25.640 Dr. Yes.

00:21:26.200 Dr. Absolutely.

00:21:27.080 Dr. Absolutely.

00:21:28.280 Dr. 100%. Yeah, of course.

00:21:30.280 Dr. Tell me, why are you so certain about saying absolutely? There are people that are

00:21:34.200 probably flabbergasted by you saying absolutely.

00:21:37.080 Dr. Well, because look, for most things, you know, the immune system's prepared to deal with

00:21:44.440 it. If something new gets introduced, you know, like this coronavirus, who knows what the implications

00:21:51.320 are for your health. I think we come up with vaccines to, to prevent these kinds of horrible

00:21:58.120 diseases from taking a certain percentage of our population every single year. I think, you know,

00:22:04.840 if you look at, you know, the evolution of, you know, health, it's primarily because of sanitation

00:22:11.800 and the germ theory of disease that we have extended, you know, lives so much. But it's also

00:22:19.480 true that things like smallpox and other things that were a scourge on the earth have been eliminated

00:22:27.960 because of vaccines. So vaccines play an important role in population health. And I'm more terrified of

00:22:37.320 people not vaccinating their children for things that can cause, you know, widespread social death.

00:22:45.000 Like this, this pandemic is really not as bad as like the Spanish flu. And so, you know, we, we need

00:22:53.560 to think about the implications. If say we had now at this point, 30 million dead, how devastating that

00:23:00.520 would be. So that's what vaccines bring. They bring, they, they actually protect the population for these,

00:23:06.920 from these really bad diseases that, that tend to come out. And that's why we, that's why we have

00:23:13.880 scientists that are looking at cures for this stuff. So I would absolutely take a, take a vaccine for

00:23:18.840 coronavirus. And I would recommend everybody that I knew take a vaccine for coronavirus if we had one.

00:23:24.360 It is interesting to note, by the way, that we've had HIV with us for decades now, and we still don't

00:23:30.680 have a vaccine. So I would, I guess I would ask Bill Gates is how is he so confident if we can't even

00:23:37.160 find a vaccine for HIV or for AIDS, excuse me. Where are you going with that? Well, I'm, you know,

00:23:44.520 I think it's, it's going to be a lot harder to find a vaccine than maybe we, we think it is.

00:23:51.320 That leaves me a whole different question before I wrap up this section here. Here's my next question

00:23:55.560 for you is, Robert, I'm not worried about the coronavirus. I'm not worried about COVID-19.

00:24:00.680 Here's my concern. And you know, you're hearing about the fact that China, the games they want

00:24:05.880 to play, and I think you would probably verify this, they're realizing they're not as strong

00:24:10.120 military-wise as US. And if they were to ever have a direct war, that's just not their style.

00:24:15.080 So they're spending more time into biochemical warfare. They're spending more money into drug

00:24:20.200 trafficking, poisoning, environmental destruction, computer virus dissemination.

00:24:24.440 Are you familiar with that being one of their approach that they're taking? China.

00:24:27.880 Yes.

00:24:28.920 That's, that's already out there. Everyone knows about that.

00:24:31.720 Yes.

00:24:31.960 Okay. So then this is my follow-up to you. What, what, what, if it's taken this long,

00:24:37.640 and you're hearing people say, you know, Anthony Fauci say, it's going to take 12 to 18 months to get

00:24:41.640 a vaccine, right? And, you know, another doctor the other day talked about the fact that zinc helps with

00:24:48.360 the help of quinine, quinine, and with the help of all these things he was talking about that could help

00:24:54.040 with this, which are symptoms of malaria, which we've gone through before. But what if we have a

00:25:00.040 another pandemic, another virus that spreads, that's highly deadly, and with a very high R-naught score,

00:25:07.880 that's, you know, viral and deadly. How do we cure that from spreading? Is this going to be a norm now

00:25:16.520 where countries and the world's going to be shutting down more often the next decade or two?

00:25:20.520 Well, you know, I think one of the things that we could think of is how we could use better

00:25:28.440 technology to recognize that we have an outbreak and deal with it in a humane way. And for this,

00:25:38.200 I would refer you to how Taiwan dealt with the coronavirus as opposed to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:25:45.800 So in December, Taiwan, the Taiwanese got noticed that they were having these, you know, SARS-like

00:25:55.880 pneumonias, viral pneumonias in Wuhan. And they sent some researchers to Wuhan to ask some questions.

00:26:01.720 And the researchers came back and said, they're not answering our questions. And so right away,

00:26:06.760 Taiwan instituted measures. They stood up the CDC. They started forcing checks at the borders. They

00:26:17.480 shut down all flights from Wuhan and to Wuhan. They started testing people. They started requiring 0.69

00:26:24.280 social distancing and mass contact tracing. They implemented the basic steps of preventing the spread

00:26:31.960 of a pandemic. And if the Chinese Communist Party had acted like that, we wouldn't be in this situation 0.95

00:26:38.440 right now. And if you look at how Taiwan's dealt with the coronavirus, they've had very mild issues there

00:26:45.480 because they were on it, you know, right away. And I think what we have in this world, because you saw

00:26:52.680 both Google and Apple come out with apps to help do contact tracing. The problem with the world that we've

00:26:59.320 created, and I talked about it in the last video, is it doesn't allow for privacy. So now the cops are

00:27:05.240 going and locking people up rather than, you know, depending on this country on the education of the

00:27:15.000 population and the fact that they're going to do the right thing because we live in a democracy and we

00:27:19.480 understand that the government's being transparent and telling us, hey, we need to do this in order to

00:27:24.440 prevent, you know, people from getting sick and dying. And we can bring technology to that. And I've

00:27:29.080 actually wrote about that when I was at the Air War College back in 2008 to say we need to really

00:27:35.720 prepare for a pandemic because we are working on genetically altering organisms and creating organisms

00:27:46.840 in the lab that haven't existed before. And if we do find one that has an R0 of greater than two

00:27:53.960 and is a hundred percent deadly, of course, you know what that means. So we need to be prepared

00:28:00.040 and technology can help us be prepared, but we need to do it in a way that protects our democracy. And

00:28:06.040 today we are not doing that. I would not trust a tech company or the Chinese Communist Party to put out 1.00

00:28:12.280 tracking stuff right now because it doesn't, you know, that's why global data protection regulations

00:28:19.560 were put in place because the real is the Europeans realize that these tools have gotten far too 0.65

00:28:26.280 invasive into our lives. And we need to implement technology in a way that can protect us from a

00:28:32.360 pandemic, but not turn us into an authoritarian dictatorship at the same time. Robert, who do you

00:28:39.560 trust to protect us today? Who do you trust to make the right decisions to make sure this can be

00:28:44.440 either prevented or this can be handled in the most effective way possible in the future when it

00:28:52.200 happens again? Well, I would say that today we need to revamp the CDC. The CDC was clearly not prepared

00:29:01.240 to deal with a pandemic. I would say in that case that Bill Gates was right, but he's not the only one.

00:29:07.880 A lot of people have said, hey, CDC, you're not prepared. We're not doing the things the right way.

00:29:13.240 I would, after this is all over, I would go to Taiwan and basically say, show us what you did.

00:29:21.080 And then let's figure out how in our democracy, we're not Taiwan, they're a much smaller country, 0.94

00:29:28.040 a lot fewer people, but how do in our democracy to become a lot better prepared for dealing with a

00:29:34.680 pandemic? Because you know, there's going to be something else that comes, you know, in the future.

00:29:40.440 So we can't just, you know, forget about it like we forgot about SARS. We actually need to learn

00:29:45.480 something this time. Apply technology, but apply it in a humane way that really recognizes that we're a

00:29:52.520 free society and citizens want their data security and privacy intact. When you were active in the Air

00:30:01.720 Force, and you lived in China, and you had all these pandemics that's being talked about more

00:30:08.280 over there than here, did you ever expect something like this to get to the point in the US where

00:30:13.800 everybody would be forced to shut down for as long as we've been shut down?

00:30:16.760 No, but you know what, that's, that's to be expected, because I didn't think,

00:30:23.400 you know, I understood, you know, as I said, as early as 2008, that we could have a potentially

00:30:32.040 a pandemic that would be devastating. But you don't really think about the consequences. You know,

00:30:37.720 I didn't sit there and dwell on, okay, this would actually be the economic devastation would

00:30:44.520 actually be worse. It's only after, you know, the first week of this shutdown that I realized,

00:30:50.600 oh my gosh, first of all, the models are incorrect. They are hyperinflated. And that's the first week of

00:30:57.880 this shutdown. And I realized, okay, what's going to happen here is based on the data that I'm seeing,

00:31:03.800 the empirical data, the actual deaths that are happening, the actual infections that we're finding,

00:31:09.640 that this is not going to be as severe as the models are predicting. And the models are driving

00:31:14.440 us to shut the country down. And as we shut the country down, you know, what happens, companies

00:31:21.800 close, businesses close, people are unemployed, we've got, I think now is 23 million, we're looking

00:31:28.280 at something like 40 million people being unemployed in a short period of time. Oh, by the way, food

00:31:35.080 factories have shut down. So warehouses are starting to drain, and supermarkets are going to be next.

00:31:40.840 We, this country, the way we do logistics and delivery of supplies is not meant for a long-term

00:31:47.960 shutdown. And so what I realized after the first week is if we didn't figure out how to deal with

00:31:54.680 this and open the country back up, the economic devastation would be far worse to our social fabric

00:32:01.720 than anything the coronavirus could do. And of course, that's played out exactly as I said.

00:32:07.240 So, so if you were somebody who was in charge, and now that we have some more data, would you say

00:32:14.920 open it back up to getting the economy going and businesses opening back up? Is it is that what

00:32:20.440 you're suggesting that it's time for us to do that? Yeah, I would institute randomized testing of the

00:32:26.280 entire population randomized, we don't have to test every single statistics works, we can we can do

00:32:32.760 random testing, I would institute masks, and social distancing, and I would put people back to work.

00:32:39.480 And for those that were most at risk, I would say continue to quarantine, and until this abates.

00:32:45.960 But here's the deal. Those people aren't going to want to stay cooped up for 12 to 18 months that

00:32:51.640 Dr. Fauci thinks it's going to take to get a vaccine. So what I what I predict will happen is

00:32:59.720 people will be wearing these masks for about two weeks. And then they'll be back to work. And then

00:33:05.080 the masks are going to come off. And then they're just going to start living their lives again.

00:33:08.600 I think what we what we have now is mass hysteria, and mass fear. And we need to get back and in

00:33:14.920 contact with each other again. And as we get back in contact with each other again, we'll realize that

00:33:21.320 we're not going to die every time we see somebody. And when that happens, we're going to get tired of

00:33:25.960 wearing masks, and you know, doing the elbow bump, and it's going to go back to the way things were.

00:33:32.280 But we need to be able to get people out of their homes, and in contact with each other,

00:33:36.840 and actually running the economy. Because if we don't, we're going to be in a big trouble,

00:33:42.360 and the country is not going to be able to deal with a social disorder that's going to come

00:33:47.320 from this long term economic shutdown.

00:33:49.800 Is the way of doing business forever changed? Or no, we'll forget about this and move on in the

00:33:55.800 next six, 12 months? We'll forget about it and move on.

00:33:58.520 You think we're going to forget about it and move on?

00:34:00.520 I think we're going to forget about it and move on.

00:34:02.440 Interesting.

00:34:03.240 People have very short memories. We just need to get rid of the fear, create some certainty,

00:34:10.280 understand that, no, everybody's not going to die. Some people won't even get sick.

00:34:15.720 Most people, 85% of the people or so, will not even have symptoms.

00:34:26.280 That's a big number, 85% of them won't even have. And you're hearing about some people even being

00:34:29.960 immune to it, meaning they can't even get it. Like, even if you…

00:34:32.600 Dr. And that would be, that would be, you know, the 85% that don't have symptoms. I mean,

00:34:37.720 essentially, disease really comes from the reaction of the body to fighting the organism,

00:34:43.720 and the fact that you have some preexisting medical condition or you're elderly.

00:34:49.240 Dr. So you're thinking a part of the solution is immediate

00:34:55.960 herd immunity with a form of quarantine for those who are above a certain age to keep staying safe

00:35:04.600 until this goes back to normal. So you're for a form of herd immunity.

00:35:08.840 Dr. So, yes, but I'm also for flattening the curve. I recognize that, and particularly,

00:35:15.720 and this is what I said also in the beginning, the entire country is not New York. If you've lived

00:35:20.360 in New York, and I have, you understand the population density is such that it needs to act

00:35:27.480 differently than Fresno, California, where I grew up, right? We're not packed like sardines in Fresno,

00:35:33.960 California, but we definitely are in Manhattan, and 40% of the people are riding the subway.

00:35:40.360 So that's a different situation. So each locality in the United States needs to have different rules

00:35:46.680 peculiar to that locality. And then we need to take precautions, as I said. So I'm not against

00:35:52.440 flattening the curve. And so if we wanted to take two weeks off until we could get the right procedures,

00:35:59.320 so that people understood that you wear a mask not to protect yourself. You wear a mask to protect

00:36:05.960 other people from what's coming, what you're breathing out. So if you are asymptomatic,

00:36:11.720 you're not breathing those out up to 13 feet away from your body. And then not shaking hands. Again,

00:36:19.480 that makes sense in this current environment. But here's the deal. If we don't have

00:36:23.640 a vaccine in 18 months, like Fauci says, then what are those people that are at risk going to do?

00:36:31.560 I mean, there's been people that are 85 years old that have lived through the virus. People do not do

00:36:38.360 well if they're cooped up in their house for months on end. And this country won't do well economically

00:36:44.520 if we do that. And so you had to do some curve flattening, but then we needed to get right back to

00:36:49.400 work and really understand that we're going to get through this. This coronavirus is not so deadly,

00:36:57.160 so much more deadly than the common flu. We lost 60,000 people last year to the flu, by the way.

00:37:04.120 How is your current life right now? What are you doing? Are you staying home? Are you going out?

00:37:09.080 What are you doing? I'm just curious.

00:37:09.960 I am. All the people that I would typically interact with, all of those organizations and

00:37:17.880 offices are shut down. So the only thing I can do to interact and to continue to do what I do,

00:37:23.000 which is press and push the message about the Chinese Communist Party, is do like I'm doing here,

00:37:27.560 which is do it virtually. Look, that being said, here's some good news. The federal government

00:37:33.800 actually mandated that the federal government implement telecommunication or telework for as

00:37:43.480 much of the workforce as possible. And the federal government's basically ignored that for decades.

00:37:51.320 And hopefully what's come out of this is a realization, hey, that we can be somewhat productive

00:37:56.680 doing telework. We don't want to do it all, but we can save money on transportation. We can save the

00:38:02.120 waste of time that we're in the vehicle by doing a lot of things virtually. We don't want to do

00:38:06.520 everything virtually, but I think that's one of the benefits of this actually shutdown is really

00:38:12.280 recognizing that we can work like this. Is it driving you nuts or no?

00:38:18.280 I'm going stir crazy. Yeah, I fully understand. So you were in China when SARS happened, weren't you?

00:38:25.480 I think you were living in China when SARS happened. I was.

00:38:28.200 What was it like in China? Was there a hysteria or was it just kind of like they're used to it and

00:38:34.600 they have certain steps that they took? So again, I didn't understand the Chinese Communist Party at

00:38:40.920 the time. So I actually believed what Beijing was saying. And at the time it was in Southern China

00:38:50.040 where it started, I think Guangzhou, and then it spread to Beijing. And, you know, do the geography,

00:38:58.840 Shanghai is between Guangzhou and Beijing. So I thought it was odd that Shanghai had hardly any

00:39:05.640 sicknesses. And I thought, well, there's something wrong there. But that leads us to say we weren't

00:39:11.160 huddling in our house. What happened was all of the all the embassy people in the US were evacuated

00:39:19.720 when SARS happened. And but they forgot about us, me and my family. So we were living in Shanghai

00:39:27.400 and everybody had been evacuated for like a month. And then somebody picks up the phone and calls me in

00:39:33.240 Shanghai and they say, we forgot. We forgot about you. Would you like to be evacuated? I thought,

00:39:40.280 OK, well, if everybody else is evacuated, even though the numbers are low here in Shanghai. And

00:39:45.800 that I've not always seemed weird to me. Maybe it's it's it's wise that we evacuate. So we eventually

00:39:51.080 evacuated. And then within a couple of months, you know, everything was clear and we came back.

00:39:55.960 How quickly did things clear up there? Was it I mean, meaning culturally, was the news saying, oh,

00:40:03.960 everything's OK, everything is fine. It's nothing bad. You know, just kind of like right now, the news.

00:40:08.600 We only have 82,000 cases, only 3000 people have died and we haven't had any death since we've opened

00:40:14.200 up. How much of it was the media trying to control the narrative because the media is controlled by the

00:40:19.240 government? How much of it was controlled by the government? Yeah, I mean, I think it was again,

00:40:23.560 they were doing the exact. So how the government reacted now that I, you know, as I look back,

00:40:29.240 I realize they were doing the exact same things. No change as today. As today. As today. Same thing.

00:40:38.280 Robert, with with coronavirus going on, last time you and I spoke, this wasn't going on.

00:40:44.600 How has your opinion about China changed the last five months? Well, my opinion hasn't changed at all.

00:40:50.680 What what I'm what I'm thankful to see is everybody is starting to have the awakening

00:40:56.360 that I had in 2014 when I opened that email from from the guy from New York and looked at the,

00:41:03.320 you know, the devastation of our economy, you know, that the that the audit firm had found.

00:41:08.360 And and that's when my eyes opened. I think what's happening now, the coronavirus is enabling

00:41:15.320 not just Americans, people all over the world to see for the first time with clear eyes what the Chinese

00:41:20.360 Communist Party is and what they represent. So a lot of your theories where you were

00:41:26.680 getting criticism for last year. Now people are saying, well, Robert, I agree with you.

00:41:32.040 You're getting you're you're you're you're getting that experience with people today.

00:41:35.800 Absolutely. And not only that, you know, they're they're buying the book Stealth War and they're

00:41:40.680 they're reading it and they're understanding it. You know, look, Patrick, I knew that eventually

00:41:48.120 people would wake up because it's just it's it's pure facts. You can see what's going on.

00:41:54.280 And when and all it took was something to awaken them. And so what's happening now in terms of

00:42:01.000 realization, I think, is something that I always expected. I just thought it was going to come

00:42:06.440 long. It was going to take a longer amount of time for me to be out there messaging. You know,

00:42:11.000 the coronavirus is actually the other silver lining other than telecommuting is the the awakening of

00:42:17.960 the American people and other democracies to what totalitarianism is, what the Chinese Communist Party 0.61

00:42:23.880 is and and how democracies really need to respond in a globalized world to the presence of

00:42:31.720 totalitarianism in our midst. How is China held accountable moving forward? How does the world how does

00:42:39.160 America hold China accountable moving forward? Well, I think there's a number of ways we could 0.99

00:42:43.960 continue with the what the federal government is doing. We could make tariffs permanent like back

00:42:50.520 before they entered the WTO because they have a non-market based economy. You know, all of these

00:42:56.040 countries that have Belt and Road Initiative projects could collectively decide to default on their payments,

00:43:03.880 all of them together. And then we can also seek reparations from across the board from all countries,

00:43:12.520 because, you know, trillions of dollars in lost economic productivity, you know, thousands of people

00:43:20.760 killed and made sick. This was we know was purposely done by the Chinese Communist Party. It's clear that, 0.88

00:43:29.160 you know, any any reparations we want to get at this at this point would be would be warranted.

00:43:39.960 How much do you trust the World Health Organization?

00:43:42.120 Uh, zero.

00:43:43.960 Zero?

00:43:45.960 Zero.

00:43:46.120 So it's fair to say that you and Tedros are not on texting mode?

00:43:51.000 I think he, I think he tweeted, uh, yesterday love. And I said, I tweeted me some CCP.

00:44:05.000 Do you think he is in bed with those guys?

00:44:07.080 Absolutely.

00:44:07.960 A hundred percent meaning?

00:44:09.960 A hundred percent. No doubt in my mind.

00:44:12.040 Why do you say that?

00:44:12.920 Well, because he, if he wasn't, why would he, knowing that there's human to human transmission,

00:44:21.160 not call for a global pandemic warning prior to those five million people leaving Wuhan?

00:44:30.520 He enabled it so that the Chinese Communist Party perpetrated it. And the WHO, who's has a 0.79

00:44:36.760 responsibility to warn the public, just like the CDC of Taiwan warned its public, except world means

00:44:45.320 everybody. They have their responsibility to unflinchingly go to China, ask the hard questions.

00:44:53.000 If they get the wrong answers, turn around and say global pandemic, shut it down. And Tedros is there

00:44:58.680 having news conferences saying we should not stigmatize China and we should allow travel.

00:45:06.520 You know, there's no problem here. Okay. Meaning you guys keep your airports open and, and all these

00:45:11.720 infected people are going to go to Europe. Then they're going to go to New York and we're going to

00:45:16.040 have tens of thousands of people die. That's what Tedros did.

00:45:20.280 How did he get hired? How did he get the job by the way?

00:45:23.000 He was pushed. He was, he's backed by China. And so was the prior director general of the WHO.

00:45:29.320 So it's actually been under the influence of the Chinese Communist Party for quite some time.

00:45:34.600 Do you think Trump's making a right move saying they're going to defund them?

00:45:39.640 What, what person in his right mind would fund an organization that is under the influence of a

00:45:47.640 totalitarian regime and absolutely incapable of doing this job. It doesn't make any sense that we

00:45:53.800 send 400, let's take that 400 million and let's reform the CDC and, and, and tell them to learn

00:46:00.120 some lessons from Taiwan and actually implement them here. So the next time this happens by God,

00:46:05.240 we're in better place.

00:46:06.200 Who do you trust more world trade organization or world health organization?

00:46:11.240 I would put them on an, I would say I trust a WTO about a half a millimeter, you know,

00:46:22.200 a hair length above the WHO. You, you, you think guys like this,

00:46:27.720 because sometimes you hear these stories, you think guys like this are getting paid on the side

00:46:30.840 that no one knows about from China. Or do you think, or you think, you think Tedros is getting paid

00:46:35.000 on the side and no one knows about it. There is something, there is some remuneration that's going

00:46:40.440 on that we will probably never have insight into. No doubt in my mind.

00:46:46.200 Who does he report to? Who does well, who does Tedros report to and world health organization?

00:46:53.000 Who holds them accountable?

00:46:54.280 That's a good question. I would assume that the, uh, uh, the secretary general of the United Nations,

00:47:00.440 but you know, and at the end of the day, you know, all of these international institutions don't

00:47:05.960 report to anybody. That's the whole point of the system. It's, it's kind of, uh, you know,

00:47:10.680 we come together and, and agree on a set of rules that we're going to abide by.

00:47:14.920 And that's what I've been trying to say is when you bring a totalitarian regime into that system

00:47:20.440 that doesn't play by the rules, who then has the power to influence that system 0.75

00:47:25.560 instead of democratic principles, human rights, civil liberty, rule of law,

00:47:29.400 self-determination, free trade, you get the opposite.

00:47:32.600 Uh, do you think this method of running a country can last a long time,

00:47:38.120 or do you think a collapse like, uh, Gordon, uh, Chang talks about is around the corner?

00:47:42.600 I don't think it collapses around the corner unless democracies recognize what's going on and

00:47:49.080 work to limit the influence of the Chinese communist party, both in their own countries

00:47:53.560 and in international institutions. It's there, there's no way that they have too much access to

00:47:59.560 innovation, technology, talent, and capital from the West, from all sectors. Uh, they're, they're going

00:48:06.520 to be fine. You know, if we were actually managed as democracies to come together. So forget about the

00:48:12.360 WHO democracies need to recognize that the international institutions aren't promoting the principles and

00:48:18.440 values that they espouse and they just need to work together bilaterally and then over time,

00:48:24.120 multilaterally to ensure those principles are reinforced in, uh, in institutions like the United

00:48:31.400 Nations and the World Health Organization and the World Trade Organization. It's politics.

00:48:37.000 Geopolitics is just like politics on a local or a national level. The more that you have on your

00:48:43.800 side that are actually pushing for preservation of the system and preservation of the principles,

00:48:49.080 that side will win out over those that are trying to tear it down. And I think what's happened is the

00:48:54.360 democracies of the world have kind of let the authoritarians take over using money and influence,

00:48:59.640 and they've been very successful at it. It's time for us to take back ownership of the international

00:49:04.760 order and promote the kind of principles that we want to see go forward and propagate in the world.

00:49:09.480 It makes you, uh, makes you think, uh, you know, I asked this question from a few other people.

00:49:16.120 I'm curious to know what you say about this is, you know, we're sitting here and we're strong-arming

00:49:22.200 China. We're negotiating with them, but at the same time, hey, we need some masks. Where's it made? 0.98

00:49:26.840 China. Well, listen, we got to take it anyways. Hey, we need these ventilators. Take them anyways. 0.98

00:49:33.160 Hey, we need this medicine. If they come out with a solution for a coronavirus, well,

00:49:37.240 China's 80% of pharma is built over there. Have we gone too far where the world is relying a little

00:49:44.680 too much on China and China knows it and uses that as leverage to negotiate and push people around?

00:49:50.120 A hundred percent. Absolutely.

00:49:53.480 How do you get away from that? Well, um, first of all, you go back to making tariffs permanent because

00:49:59.960 they, they're human rights violators and they don't have a free market economy. Uh, you don't allow,

00:50:06.680 us corporations to count assets held in China because they have a non-convertible currency and

00:50:12.760 strict capital controls. You don't allow our retirement funds to invest in Chinese companies

00:50:18.600 and Chinese bonds and stocks because we don't require them to be audited like we do us companies.

00:50:24.680 You basically just make the Chinese abide by all the same rules that Americans and American companies

00:50:32.920 have to abide by here in the United States. And you do that with all our allies and partners.

00:50:38.120 And when you do that, they don't have purchase, right? They have to compete on a level playing field.

00:50:43.560 That's not what they're used to. They're used to getting their way. And we did that for a reason.

00:50:48.120 We did that because we thought they would democratize. They would liberalize politically.

00:50:52.840 They would become more like us. What they've created is a world that, that drives us to be

00:50:57.880 more like them.

00:51:00.680 I asked you this question last time. I'm wondering if your answer has changed at all.

00:51:05.960 Who needs who more? Is it US needs China or does China need US?

00:51:10.200 The US doesn't need China at all, at all. Our economy does not derive a majority of its value

00:51:18.680 from China. It derives a majority of its value domestically. We have a very good consumption

00:51:24.760 based economy here in the United States. But the Chinese economy absolutely is dependent on the

00:51:32.200 United States and other democratic economies. And so theirs is an export-driven economy.

00:51:40.920 So we don't need China at all. They absolutely need us. 0.98

00:51:44.520 If that's the case, why aren't we coming together on the same page and pushing them a little bit to

00:51:51.720 say, hey, you know, you got to open it up. And if you want us to be more comfortable,

00:51:55.560 I want you to allow Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, social media, media, everybody in China,

00:51:59.880 because we got to know what's going on there because we don't trust any of your data.

00:52:03.640 Well, that's just not going to happen. The Chinese Communist Party is not going to do that. The

00:52:07.080 reason our corporations and our investment banks are pushing for us to be there is because,

00:52:14.520 you know, the Chinese government subsidizes power to the factories. They allow them, you know,

00:52:20.520 through the inspectors not to abide by environmental rules. You've got nets around the Foxton plant

00:52:27.320 because people jump out because of the, the intense, you know, labor violations that are

00:52:33.080 going on in China. So it's all the, all the horrible things that we live through in our economy, 1.00

00:52:38.920 but because we're a democracy, we put in labor laws and we put in environmental protections.

00:52:44.120 You know, we actually dealt with this kind of behavior. All of these corporations have gone over

00:52:50.360 to China where the rules don't exist. The only rule is that the Chinese Communist Party stays in,

00:52:55.080 in control. And that allows companies like Apple to have $260 billion in cash because their margins

00:53:02.120 are incredibly steep because of those reasons. On the investment bank side, they get a fee for every

00:53:07.640 Chinese stock and Chinese bond that's sold. And so they're more than willing to push it. Even,

00:53:12.520 you even saw with the coronavirus and the fact that trade war is on, you still got investment banks

00:53:17.960 in Wall Street pushing Chinese stocks saying, this is where you need to invest. It just,

00:53:23.480 it really lets you know, you know, what's going on. The system is incentivized to provide the Chinese 0.98

00:53:29.560 Communist Party with everything they need. The system is incentivized to provide the Chinese 1.00

00:53:35.480 Party with everything that needs. What does that mean? That means we set the rules to benefit Chinese 1.00

00:53:42.200 companies. And the Chinese companies and the government have taken advantage of those rules

00:53:48.520 to be a predatory, or a better word, a parasitic economy on the United States and other democracies.

00:53:55.640 And unless we cut those ties, it's just like if you have a tumor, the tumor continues to pull more and

00:54:01.640 more blood from your body. The same thing that China will do. It will pull more and more blood 1.00

00:54:07.560 from, from, from the American society. Let me ask you, your, one of your very good friends,

00:54:15.560 Joe Biden, if you don't mind me talking about your good friend, Joe Biden, how, how do you feel

00:54:21.320 about him now being the, you know, not me, he's, he's, he's it, you know, Warren is endorsing him,

00:54:28.680 you know, Sanders endorsed them. And, oh my gosh, Obama's not endorsing him. This is catastrophic.

00:54:34.440 Obama endorses him. Buttigieg, everybody, Super Tuesday, he's had momentum, right?

00:54:40.280 What, what happens to US if Biden gets elected? Let's just say this happens. And let's just say

00:54:46.120 they can kind of get people to do voting from, you know, home and they don't have to go and,

00:54:51.640 you know, voter fraud and all that stuff happens. What, what does America look like in 2021 if Joe

00:54:57.080 Biden is president? Okay, well, so you have to understand that I'm, I'm a little bit of a different,

00:55:02.200 uh, um, I'm a little bit of a different species when it comes to, uh, voting. I'm right now I'm a

00:55:08.920 one, I'm a one issue voter. It really is our relationship with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:55:14.200 So as I look around, so first of all, I'm not really content with any politician that's been,

00:55:20.760 uh, in politics for decades in this country, because I think that they, they've completely

00:55:25.640 missed what, what was going on with regard, uh, to China. That being said, um, you know, between,

00:55:32.200 but let's say, so let's look at the Democratic side between Biden and Pelosi. I would, I would

00:55:38.360 be more inclined to elect Pelosi than I would Biden because at least Pelosi has been consistent about

00:55:45.160 her views on China and the Chinese Communist Party. That has been one, whether, whether you like

00:55:51.240 her politics or not, that she's been consistent on, uh, on the, on the right, you know, I don't know

00:55:56.920 anybody that's been consistent for a long time on the Chinese Communist Party, and they probably

00:56:01.640 wouldn't be in politics if they had. And so I think one of the challenges that we have is, you know,

00:56:06.920 anybody that's an established, establishment politician that's running for the highest office

00:56:12.360 in the land is not prepared to lead us away from the Chinese Communist Party. That's the way I look at

00:56:19.000 it. Um, I, I don't, I don't favor Biden just because I think he, he clearly has, um, a favoritism

00:56:26.920 towards China and the Chinese Communist Party. Do you think the, the, the tariffs would go away

00:56:32.120 if Biden becomes president with China? You know, I don't know that we'd have a different, um,

00:56:38.280 outcome because I do see that some of the younger politicians, um, are starting to come around to

00:56:44.600 understanding the danger and the threat of the Chinese Communist Party. It doesn't matter if they're on the 0.91

00:56:48.680 right or if they're on the left. So I think it'd be much harder to get, you know, the things through

00:56:54.280 Congress. But what would happen is, is, you know, he just would not, you, you would slow things down

00:57:01.960 that need to be done to protect the American population. So I want to see somebody in there

00:57:06.680 that's aggressively going after this and, you know, and then let's, let's go another four years where

00:57:13.320 we're actually focused on protecting our businesses and our people. And then let's see where we stand before

00:57:18.280 we even think about, you know, uh, having a more open, you know, um, policy with regard to China.

00:57:24.760 The Chinese Communist Party is not going to change. So I would say that, you know, you have to view

00:57:28.920 that with, with clear eyes. Do you think president Trump's the right, uh, leader during times like

00:57:34.360 this to continue challenging and pushing China? I think he is. And the reason is, is because he's 0.74

00:57:39.720 not a politician. And, um, you know, what I saw when I was at the white house is look, he just asks

00:57:45.000 questions. And, and for me, you know, if you're, sometimes it is the case that the best leader for

00:57:53.160 a situation is one that didn't grow up in the system because then they can question why the

00:57:59.000 system is the way it is. They can ask questions and if they don't get good answers, then they can

00:58:04.360 make a decision that no other person that grew up in that system would be willing to make. The,

00:58:10.920 the hardest thing it is for, for people to do that, that have been in a bureaucracy for,

00:58:15.400 for decades is really realize that they've, that they've been going the wrong way for a long time.

00:58:21.400 And those people are very hard to convince. And, and so I would, I would definitely look at somebody

00:58:27.720 that's outside the mainstream, you know, to make the change. Now, what I see coming forward is there's a

00:58:34.520 lot of, um, you know, both Republican and Democratic senators and congressmen, uh, and women that are 0.99

00:58:41.880 actually waking up. And so I feel much more comfortable about our future in terms of the,

00:58:47.000 the establishment, because they're going to be established during a time when we recognize the

00:58:51.240 threat and they're going to be, they're going to be more wary of it, you know, but of course,

00:58:55.320 you know, the problem with, with this current system is term limits allows for all of these people

00:59:01.960 that have, you know, really just been in the government all their lives and haven't actually

00:59:06.440 had to go and, and, and live out in society. So I think in a way, because we don't have term limits,

00:59:11.880 we have a disconnect between our politicians that have been in office for decades and the populace.

00:59:18.440 If this continues past November, you see Trump still getting reelected?

00:59:23.320 Um, I hope so. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm confident that he will, because I think, um,

00:59:29.160 the people recognize that, you know, we have to go a different, we have to go in a different way,

00:59:33.960 which is by the way, why, um, a socialist, you know, Bernie Sanders almost won, you know,

00:59:39.640 the primary last time. I think this time, you know, the democratic party doesn't really, um,

00:59:45.960 it's gotta, it's gotta, it's gotta come to grips with the fact that it's got a significant

00:59:50.280 percentage of its, of its base that doesn't agree with, um, with Biden as a pick.

00:59:55.880 A big, I mean, AOC is going after him hardcore. She's not even slowing down at all.

01:00:02.040 Uh, okay. So let's shift back to the 5G conversation with coronavirus. When I asked you earlier,

01:00:06.840 I said, do you see any thing being linked between 5G and coronavirus? You said, absolutely not.

01:00:12.680 Tell me why. Well, you know, I saw a couple of these videos where, um,

01:00:18.680 you know, the guy said that, uh, I can't remember the guy's name, but he said basically that,

01:00:25.000 you know, there's a theory that radiation has caused, um, uh, genetic breakdown of the body and

01:00:31.960 your excreted, uh, pieces of genetic code. And that's what viruses are. They're not,

01:00:37.240 they're not actually organisms. Um, they're pieces of your DNA that have been broken off by this

01:00:43.480 radiation and they're expressing themselves, you know, out of your orifices. And this is just

01:00:48.760 indicative of widespread radiation. That's just, that's, that's, that's fiction. That's not science.

01:00:54.680 And so, you know, viruses do exist. They are organisms. Um, and, and they have a specific

01:01:00.200 way of, of doing the things that they do. And, um, and so, you know, five, first of all, 5G is not

01:01:08.680 very widely deployed, right? AT&T has 5G on their phone, but they're, that's not 5G.

01:01:15.800 Uh, most companies in the West are deploying, uh, 5G radios on a very, very slow rate because the

01:01:25.560 telecom industry is really a dying industry. For each added bit of capacity, uh, the financial

01:01:32.200 returns just aren't there for them to add more capacity. So they're really, they're really slowing

01:01:37.240 down the deployment of 5G. The only ones, by the way, that are deploying 5G, uh, at a, at a very high

01:01:43.880 rate is China. And of course, South Korea did it. Now, South Korea did it. Um, it's got a smaller 0.59

01:01:51.060 country, a smaller population that's got much more broadband penetration in the society. It really

01:01:56.080 wants to be on the leadership of, of, of science and technology. And so it's, it did it as a national

01:02:01.860 strategic decision. China is doing it as a national strategic decision, but they're not just deploying

01:02:08.260 it in China. They're deploying it in any country that will take Huawei. So the biggest deployments

01:02:13.800 in 5G are coming from the Chinese, uh, clearly. So, um, you know, if that's it, so then you say,

01:02:21.500 well, Wuhan, uh, is the, um, is the start of it because of all the 5G that China has been deploying.

01:02:28.120 Um, well, I would say that you've got a higher probability that it came from the P4 lab, 1.00

01:02:33.960 you know, where they were working on that virus, um, you know, for the specific gain of function.

01:02:39.980 That's why more likely it came out, not because, um, you know, 5G it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's,

01:02:47.580 it's like, um, it's like, uh, you know, the, the term, uh, the magic term alchemy, you know,

01:02:53.380 it's a blend of science and magic. And so it sounds plausible when you listen to these videos,

01:02:58.700 but it breaks down under, um, under scrutiny, under rigorous scientific scrutiny,

01:03:04.900 you know, viruses are real. They're not excretions of your DNA because you've been radiated. It's just

01:03:10.620 not, it's just not science.

01:03:12.680 Last thing here before we wrap up is, I don't know if you heard yesterday, the CEO of Huawei stepped

01:03:17.720 down. So, uh, as of yesterday, he stepped down and he replaced himself with Jin Poo. Uh, Ren, uh, 0.66

01:03:26.080 Zhengfei, Zhengfei is no longer the director. Now it's Jin Poo. And British intelligence is, uh,

01:03:32.500 uh, challenging UK to reconsider their relationship with Huawei, putting stricter, uh, control of high

01:03:38.540 tech and other industries that are coming in. And Huawei responds in an open letter calling not to

01:03:43.720 change its partnership on 5G with Huawei. This is to UK. If they do, it will cause them harm, meaning

01:03:50.460 it'll cause UK harm. And then obviously, you know about the fact that with France, they needed to buy

01:03:57.920 some medical equipment from China and China said, we will sell it to you and we'll make it for you.

01:04:03.020 If you agree to use Huawei to allow it to come to, uh, France. What do you think about when you're

01:04:10.840 seeing a country like UK telling China, no, we, we wanted to do business. We no longer want to do

01:04:16.140 business with you. And they're getting that kind of recommendation to them. Well, you know, I think,

01:04:20.960 um, UK is a very special case. You know, 15 years ago, British telecom went all Huawei.

01:04:26.180 Huawei. And, um, and so that means they have to build an entire new network from scratch.

01:04:33.660 Really nobody else has to do that. So I always knew it was going to be hard to get them

01:04:36.960 over the hurdle. Um, but not impossible. It's just going to take a lot, a longer amount of time.

01:04:42.340 So, you know, I think what it, what it, uh, what you didn't, um, what you didn't say is that

01:04:48.180 they actually also went Huawei went China, went to India with Huawei and told the Indians,

01:04:53.620 if you take Huawei, it'll make you better able to control, uh, the coronavirus because,

01:04:59.760 you know, the sensors that you can attach to the network will allow you to, to monitor the

01:05:03.940 population for, for fevers and do contact tracing. So, so they're actually using it as a selling

01:05:09.460 mechanism for 5g. I think what you're seeing is the whole world's waking up to the danger of, 1.00

01:05:15.020 it's not 5g, it's data security. It's really privacy and data security. That's, that's a challenge

01:05:20.680 and artificial intelligence. I don't think I said this last time, but go read, uh, the AI superpower

01:05:27.520 by Kai-Fu Lee. He's China's leading artificial intelligence researcher. What Kai-Fu Lee says

01:05:34.400 is that China is to data as Saudi Arabia is to oil. In other words, the strategy of China is to 0.54

01:05:42.580 become the Saudi Arabia of data. Why? Because it drives artificial intelligence. That's what they're

01:05:49.900 after. They're after the ability to be dominant in the economic sphere and the social sphere and the

01:05:56.540 political sphere and in the military sphere and owning all that data will allow them to have the

01:06:02.980 artificial intelligence to do that. That's what they believe. That's, uh, that's pretty, that's

01:06:08.640 pretty powerful right there to say they want all the data. I remember 10 years ago, 12 years ago,

01:06:13.160 Ted talks had a conference and they said, one of the main things, uh, moving forward is going to be data.

01:06:18.560 Everything's about data. And we know now everything is data. Everybody who's building any kind of data

01:06:23.100 companies. Nowadays, you want to go to college, the right degree to get us predictive analytics

01:06:26.580 because they're hiring you left and right for, uh, folks who understand predictive analytics.

01:06:31.440 Robert, I'll give you the final thought. Anything here that you want to share with us before we wrap

01:06:35.040 this up with coronavirus, with the current conditions, where people are at, people have a lot of thoughts,

01:06:40.160 a lot of questions, a lot of fears, a lot of concerns. They're watching the news 24 seven

01:06:43.620 with notifications telling them, you know, these are terrible times and scary times.

01:06:49.000 What are your final thoughts for us here? Um, you're going to be better than fine. You know,

01:06:54.580 I see this country coming out of this coronavirus and coming out of this tight relationship with the

01:07:00.140 Chinese communist party and making our, our society, our economy, our, our, our, our people

01:07:06.760 stronger than ever, you know, freer than ever. I really believe we have everything in front of us.

01:07:13.540 And we have all the things that we need. We have all the resources we need. We have the people,

01:07:17.760 we have the talented people. We have, you know, the constitution that provides us, you know,

01:07:22.820 a freedom, uh, to live the life in the way that we want. I think, you know, I'm extremely positive

01:07:28.900 on America. You know, I can, I can say with confidence that in spite of all this, this is,

01:07:34.040 we are probably on the precipice of unprecedented economic growth and science and technology advancement.

01:07:41.280 We just, we, we need to recognize what we have in front of us and seize it.

01:07:46.900 So you're bullish with the economy, with the market.

01:07:49.640 I'm, I'm bullish. I'm, I'm 100% all in long America.

01:07:55.340 I love it. Well, listen, it's good to have you back here with us. Thank you so much for coming

01:07:59.980 back to Valuetainment and being a guest again.

01:08:01.820 Thank you, Patrick. It's great to see you again.

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Valuetainment - June 15, 2020

Episode 478： Life After Coronavirus - Will It Ever Be the Same？

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