Episode 478： Life After Coronavirus - Will It Ever Be the Same？
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General Robert Spaulding is back for a second time to talk about the coronavirus pandemic in China. He talks about the history of the pandemic and what we can learn from it. He also shares his experience as a Chinese-American living in China and why he lives there now.
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I'm Patrick Medevi, your host of Valuetainment, and today I'm sitting down with General Spaulding.
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We brought him back for a second time because the last time we did the interview when he
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talked about 5G, they got 15 million views on all across the board with different platforms.
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Today, we're going to talk about life after coronavirus. Robert, we appreciate you for
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coming back and being a guest on Valuetainment again. Great to be back, and I brought the Hulk
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with me. I feel very safe. We got two of them now, one to protect you and one to protect me on this
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side here. So, Robert, let's get right into it. So, is this a pandemic or is this a plandemic?
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Well, you know, that's a hard question to answer because, you know, we're dealing with a totalitarian
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regime. If we had perfect knowledge of what the Chinese Communist Party's plans were, I think
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we could answer that. But, you know, we have to intuit based on what facts we do have. So,
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we do know, for example, that there's a P4 lab in Wuhan. That lab, a researcher was doing
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gain-of-function research on bat-related coronaviruses and published a paper on that.
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And that paper talked about the ability to infect humans. We do know that. We also know that on
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January 7th, the WHO met in Geneva and talked about the fact that there was human-to-human
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transmission going on. And in fact, we also know that in Wuhan, they knew in December, there was
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human-to-human transmission. And of course, we also know that Xi Jinping met with the Politburo Standing
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Committee where they, and he talked about taking control of the growing pandemic on the 7th of
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January. So, we know that he knew that he had human-to-human transmission. And so, let me revise
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that. On the 23rd of January, the WHO met in Geneva and talked about human-to-human transmission.
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On the, somewhere around the 22nd or 23rd of January, we know that Wuhan was locked down.
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And at that time, the Wuhan mayor made a statement that already 5 million people from Chinese New
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Year's had left the city to the four corners of the earth. So, what we know is they were doing work
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on the virus. We don't know if that's where it came from or if it came from the wet market. And we
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can't know that because the Chinese Communist Party is not going to allow us into the lab. They're not
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going to allow us to talk to the researchers. All the data has been scrubbed. We don't know. What we do
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know for a fact is both the Chinese Communist Party leadership and the WHO leadership knew there was
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human-to-human transmission prior to the five million people leaving when they locked down
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Wuhan. So, pandemic, pandemic, I don't know. But in terms of the origin of the virus, I do know
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that in terms of the pandemic itself, you could call that a pandemic because they knew that there
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was human-to-human transmission and they let those people leave. And you know, the president
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acted quickly to shut down flights to and from China. And thank God he did. The problem is that
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we kept them coming from Europe. So, you see the big infection happening in New York because of travel
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coming to and from Europe where the Chinese people that had left Wuhan went into Europe and created the
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infections that spread to New York. So, now to manage expectation with the audience,
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I think it's important to know why you're an expert in the topic of China. Robert, if you don't mind
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taking a moment and sharing with the rest of us, those who haven't seen your interview, on what your
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experience has been with CCP, with China. So, you know, I lived in China for the first time from 2002
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to 2004. I was a major in the Air Force. I was an Olmstead scholar. I studied at Tongji University.
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Before that, I had spent a year studying Chinese language at the Defense Language Institute. So,
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I spoke Chinese. I moved there in 2002 with my family. That was right after China entered the WTO.
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So, we went all over the country. I learned about the people, the culture, the history, the geography,
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and traveled widely within China. So, I really understood China. I didn't understand the Chinese
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Communist Party or the government. As I went on in my career as a B-2 pilot, the Air Force decided to
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send me back to China to be the defense attache and the senior defense official in Beijing.
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In order to prepare for that, they sent me to the Council on Foreign Relations for a year
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in New York City to meet with a lot of our industry and finance leaders and corporate leaders.
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I then went to the Pentagon where I advised the chairman on strategy with regard to China for
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two years, first Chairman Dempsey, then Chairman Dunford. And during that time, I had a team of
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China experts that were solely focused on understanding the China competition with the
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United States in economics, finance, trade, information, media, propaganda, all elements of
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the competition. And I went from there to be the senior defense official in Beijing.
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And almost immediately after the six months I spent there, I went to the White House to be the
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senior director for strategy at the National Security Council, where I was a chief architect for
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the national security strategy that we're currently implementing with regard to the globe, but more
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specifically China. And if you don't mind also sharing why you were fired a few months later after
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being hired, what caused you to be fired when you started speaking on a certain topic, it kind of
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raised some eyebrows. What happened there? After the national security strategy was primarily in form
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in its final form, and I felt like we had the right framework for it, I started an intense study on
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5G. And I brought in all the experts, not from in terms of policy, but in terms of engineering and
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science, really to understand the technology. And then what we did is talked about for about six months,
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the opportunities and challenges with regard to 5G. And at that point, I realized that we had a
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significant problem with the collection of data in democracies all over the globe by the Chinese
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Communist Party, and that 5G was going to actually increase or amplify that collection of data, not
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just for economic benefit of China, but also for intelligence collection and influence of our society.
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I wrote a report that was intended to stay within government to explain those opportunities and
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challenges. And I actually briefed that report to many of the cabinet members in the current Trump
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administration. What happened was the telco industry, you know, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint
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found out about the report, were concerned that it might lead to some kind of changes in terms of
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how we regulate the collection of data on Americans, and pushed really hard with their lobbyists in
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Washington, D.C. to have me removed from the White House. And who were the two characters that
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were not happy about you speaking against China? One on each side, one was a Democrat, one was a
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Republican. Well, you know, so in the book, I talk about, and it's really, it's meant to be
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representative of both parties, really, and the influence of the Chinese Communist Party in both
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parties. So in my book, I talk about both Senator Mitch McConnell, who has, through his wife, ties to
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the former general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, Jiang Zemin, and of course, Joe Biden, who,
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through his son, Hunter, you know, Hunter had gotten, I think, a billion and a half dollars from the
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Chinese Communist Party for a, for a private equity fund. So, you know, I really try to explain that
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it's happening on both sides of the aisle. Perfect. And the reason why I wanted us to start
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there with the basis is, those who haven't seen this, you know, you're not leaning one side or the
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other. It's very neutral, and it's not a conspiracy. This isn't something where you're, you know, you
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create content. You're not a content creator. You're somebody who was a general. You're somebody that
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directly had experience living in China, and you're giving us your expertise based on data you have
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access to that some of us maybe don't have access to. We definitely don't have access to with the
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research you can do. Now, before I get into some of the other stuff, Robert, I took this approach with
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Gordon Chang that I had on. Gordon Chang was on that documentary that you were also part of with Epoch
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Times that I think was launched a couple weeks ago. And I also had Daniel DiMartino Booth, who was also on
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here. We talked more on the finance side. And then this morning, I had David Icahn, which many would
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call him a conspiracy theorist. He calls himself a conspiracy researcher. And it's confused a lot
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of people out there, and it's scared the head of a lot of people because they're hearing a lot of
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things. I'm going to ask you what some claims that are being made out there, and you're a very
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reasonable guy. How much credibility would you give to this? Robert, if you don't mind just saying
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zero, maybe a little bit, 100% that's accurate. That'll give the audience a better understanding of
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what your views are with this. Are you comfortable with that? Sure. Okay, number one, is coronavirus
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real? Does it exist? Yes. Okay. Number two, is 5G the reason for the spread of coronavirus? No.
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Number three, is it natural or is it man-made? That I would lean towards man, I would lean towards
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it's natural, but I believe this particular strain was modified in a lab.
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Tell me why you say that. Because the species of bat that it's purported to have come from
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doesn't, it doesn't exist in Wuhan. And so the idea that came from the Wuhan wet market and then
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jumped to civet cat and then jumped to human, I just find implausible. Did you see the report that
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came in yesterday from an insider that said, source believes coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab as part
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of China's efforts to compete against US? And John Roberts asked a question from President Trump.
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More and more, we're hearing the story. We are doing a very thorough examination of the horrible
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situation. Apparently there's a patient zero. Have you heard about this patient zero where the initial
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transmission of the virus was bat to human and that patient zero worked at the laboratory,
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then went into the population in Wuhan and then it spread? How much credibility do you give to that
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source and that story? My sense is, you know, if I was going to give a probability to did this,
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was this an accident? And again, I'm basing this on the fact of the Washington Post article that said
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that there was a state cable from the US embassy explaining that they were concerned about the safety
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precautions that were taking, that they witnessed were being taken in the P4 lab in 2018. So I'm leaning towards
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it was probably accidentally released as kind of the how it escaped. And so I find that story, particularly because
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that person's been wiped from the logs of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, I find that to be more
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credible than anything. Okay, that's good to hear. Is this China retaliating to Donald Trump due to strong
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measures he took on the tariffs? So it's a form of revenge and retaliation to hurt the economy because
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that's the one car Trump could use. And if the market drops and the Dow drops, it hurts the chances
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of Trump getting reelected. Okay, so now you're talking about why they allowed the 5 million people
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to leave Wuhan? Are we still talking about if it wasn't an accident that the virus escaped?
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Yeah, so both ways. So for me, it's they knew that this was happening. They said, well, let it go out
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there. Because if it does, it hurts their economy. We don't like this guy. He's strong arming us. We
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want somebody else that we can negotiate with. We've done dealings with Biden in the past before
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we'd rather have Biden as president than Trump as president. Okay, so if we go back to the or the
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source of the virus, and I said, I think it's it's more probable that it was an accident that it was
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accidentally released. If you went to the lower probability and said it was purposely released,
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then I would say the the likelihood that it was aimed at the United States, I think would be
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a low probability. You know, if it was purposely released, I would put as internal domestic political
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reasons as more probable. In other words, somebody was trying to damage Xi, because of the the harsh
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measures around the anti corruption campaign that he's used to basically shore up power. So I would
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think it would be I don't think it's probable. But if that is this explanation, I would say it's more
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likely that it was domestic politics, not, you know, aimed at the United States. Now, in terms of why the
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five million people were allowed to leave Wuhan, it could be that at that point, they realize that they
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had a problem that they couldn't contain. And rather than having that be only China that had to deal with
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that and, and, and create the the economic devastation that the Coronavirus has created, that it would be
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much more better for them in terms of geopolitics, if the entire world was infected, because then
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So that's a complete different angle, because now you're thinking somebody from the inside in China who
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is not happy with Xi is a kind of retaliating through this. That's that would be I don't think
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that's probable. I'm saying, I think it's probable it's an accident. But if somehow we were to find
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out this was purposely done, you know, sometime in the future, something happens in the Chinese
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Communist Party is no more. And we get access to the archives and interview people. And we find out
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it was done purposely. My guess is at that point, if it was, we would find out that it was aimed at Xi.
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Okay, interesting. So so far, right now, we have 2.164 million cases as of today. Today is April 16,
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233. While I'm saying this, we have 144,313 deaths, of which 33,903 is in US. So knowing those numbers,
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knowing those numbers. The other story you're hearing about is the fact that the death toll isn't
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necessarily true. Because many other forms of death are being blamed to Coronavirus, even though main
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cause wasn't Coronavirus, which what which makes it not as deadly as what a lot of reports are coming in.
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And you're and you're asking me, you know, what I think about that, that
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what I'm asking you is, what how much weight you put behind the fact that people are saying,
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these numbers that are coming in with the death toll of Coronavirus, how deadly it is,
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it is not as deadly it is because the way they're putting the reporting, they're saying it's death
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due to Coronavirus, versus the person was going to die anyways, but they also ended up having Coronavirus.
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So the statistics makes it scarier with the death toll we're getting with Coronavirus.
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I don't know if they're purposely making it scarier. I do know that we have a problem with statistics,
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we we actually don't know what the true numbers are. And we're in what we're trying to do is more
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finally, you know, resolve what the true numbers are, I think there are some problems with the way
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that we're collecting data. And particularly, if you look at the you know, what the CDC said, how they're
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going to count, you know, some of that is using other means other than a positive COV19 test. So,
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you know, it could be that, you know, some there's some miscounting there. I think the bigger problem is
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that we don't know in the broader population, the total percentage of infected people because
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So far, apparently, 1% of US has been tested. 1% of US has been tested. What what is the best way
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for us to get the best kind of data on this? What do you suggest self testing? Is that the only way?
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Well, you know, I think statistics would say that you would do a random sampling of the population,
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and that would give you the kind of data that you need without having to test everybody. And I think
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if we institute a random random sampling of the population, much like we do for, you know, the,
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you know, polling of data, then we'd have much closer numbers in terms of what percentage of the
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population has actually been influenced by the virus.
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Okay, again, that's why if the audience is watching this, you're a reasonable man, you don't get
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excited about a conspiracy, you're just a matter of fact type of person, which gives a lot of comfort
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to some of the people that are watching. Because when you do say something, there's a lot of weight
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behind it. No wonder the 5G video everybody was watching saying, this man seems like a reasonable
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man to give his counsel. Here's another one. Another one you're hearing about is the fact that
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coronavirus is being used as a way of eliminating the older population to save many countries money
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due to the cost of, you know, insurance of the elderly. What are your thoughts about that?
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That's just a very cynical way of looking at the world. I just can't imagine that anybody would come
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up with something like that. That's more like the CIA, you know, was responsible for 9-11.
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Okay, that's good to know. So that's where you are with that one. Okay, how about the Bill Gates
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and vaccines? You know, the TED talk he gave in 2015. And then, you know, after he gives a TED talk
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for 2015 about one of the things we have to worry about is pandemic. Then I go research an interview
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he did with Dr. Gupta in 2011, I believe February of 2011, where Dr. Gupta asks tens of billions of
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dollars over the next 10 years to make the year of the vaccines. What does that mean exactly? And
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in Bill Gates' response, over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made in both
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inventing new vaccines and making sure they got, they get out to all the children who need them.
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We only need about six or seven more, and then you would have all the tools to reduce
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childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything, the stability, the environment,
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et cetera, et cetera. How much of this has to do with reducing population growth? Because there are
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people that are working, I don't want to say the word depopulation, but a method of reducing
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population growth, because long term, we cannot sustain constant population growth that we have.
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Well, what you see, and typically in developing countries, is as they become more wealthy,
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they tend to produce fewer children. So it isn't, they tend to top out at, and we don't get to a
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situation where, you know, they're overpopulating their area. In fact, some of the developed countries
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are actually being depopulated because they don't have enough, you know, population growth. So I don't
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really, I don't really find it plausible that we need a vaccine to, you know, you know, get rid of
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a bunch of old people because we have too many people. I just don't, that doesn't make any sense
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to me. We, you know, we, it doesn't follow the pattern of kind of development of societies.
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So if, if, if they were to announce the vaccine is out and Bill Gates is coming out with the vaccine,
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Dr. Tell me, why are you so certain about saying absolutely? There are people that are
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probably flabbergasted by you saying absolutely.
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Dr. Well, because look, for most things, you know, the immune system's prepared to deal with
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it. If something new gets introduced, you know, like this coronavirus, who knows what the implications
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are for your health. I think we come up with vaccines to, to prevent these kinds of horrible
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diseases from taking a certain percentage of our population every single year. I think, you know,
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if you look at, you know, the evolution of, you know, health, it's primarily because of sanitation
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and the germ theory of disease that we have extended, you know, lives so much. But it's also
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true that things like smallpox and other things that were a scourge on the earth have been eliminated
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because of vaccines. So vaccines play an important role in population health. And I'm more terrified of
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people not vaccinating their children for things that can cause, you know, widespread social death.
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Like this, this pandemic is really not as bad as like the Spanish flu. And so, you know, we, we need
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to think about the implications. If say we had now at this point, 30 million dead, how devastating that
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would be. So that's what vaccines bring. They bring, they, they actually protect the population for these,
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from these really bad diseases that, that tend to come out. And that's why we, that's why we have
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scientists that are looking at cures for this stuff. So I would absolutely take a, take a vaccine for
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coronavirus. And I would recommend everybody that I knew take a vaccine for coronavirus if we had one.
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It is interesting to note, by the way, that we've had HIV with us for decades now, and we still don't
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have a vaccine. So I would, I guess I would ask Bill Gates is how is he so confident if we can't even
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find a vaccine for HIV or for AIDS, excuse me. Where are you going with that? Well, I'm, you know,
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I think it's, it's going to be a lot harder to find a vaccine than maybe we, we think it is.
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That leaves me a whole different question before I wrap up this section here. Here's my next question
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for you is, Robert, I'm not worried about the coronavirus. I'm not worried about COVID-19.
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Here's my concern. And you know, you're hearing about the fact that China, the games they want
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to play, and I think you would probably verify this, they're realizing they're not as strong
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military-wise as US. And if they were to ever have a direct war, that's just not their style.
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So they're spending more time into biochemical warfare. They're spending more money into drug
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trafficking, poisoning, environmental destruction, computer virus dissemination.
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Are you familiar with that being one of their approach that they're taking? China.
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That's, that's already out there. Everyone knows about that.
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Okay. So then this is my follow-up to you. What, what, what, if it's taken this long,
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and you're hearing people say, you know, Anthony Fauci say, it's going to take 12 to 18 months to get
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a vaccine, right? And, you know, another doctor the other day talked about the fact that zinc helps with
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the help of quinine, quinine, and with the help of all these things he was talking about that could help
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with this, which are symptoms of malaria, which we've gone through before. But what if we have a
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another pandemic, another virus that spreads, that's highly deadly, and with a very high R-naught score,
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that's, you know, viral and deadly. How do we cure that from spreading? Is this going to be a norm now
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where countries and the world's going to be shutting down more often the next decade or two?
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Well, you know, I think one of the things that we could think of is how we could use better
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technology to recognize that we have an outbreak and deal with it in a humane way. And for this,
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I would refer you to how Taiwan dealt with the coronavirus as opposed to the Chinese Communist Party.
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So in December, Taiwan, the Taiwanese got noticed that they were having these, you know, SARS-like
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pneumonias, viral pneumonias in Wuhan. And they sent some researchers to Wuhan to ask some questions.
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And the researchers came back and said, they're not answering our questions. And so right away,
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Taiwan instituted measures. They stood up the CDC. They started forcing checks at the borders. They
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shut down all flights from Wuhan and to Wuhan. They started testing people. They started requiring
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social distancing and mass contact tracing. They implemented the basic steps of preventing the spread
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of a pandemic. And if the Chinese Communist Party had acted like that, we wouldn't be in this situation
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right now. And if you look at how Taiwan's dealt with the coronavirus, they've had very mild issues there
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because they were on it, you know, right away. And I think what we have in this world, because you saw
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both Google and Apple come out with apps to help do contact tracing. The problem with the world that we've
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created, and I talked about it in the last video, is it doesn't allow for privacy. So now the cops are
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going and locking people up rather than, you know, depending on this country on the education of the
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population and the fact that they're going to do the right thing because we live in a democracy and we
00:27:19.480
understand that the government's being transparent and telling us, hey, we need to do this in order to
00:27:24.440
prevent, you know, people from getting sick and dying. And we can bring technology to that. And I've
00:27:29.080
actually wrote about that when I was at the Air War College back in 2008 to say we need to really
00:27:35.720
prepare for a pandemic because we are working on genetically altering organisms and creating organisms
00:27:46.840
in the lab that haven't existed before. And if we do find one that has an R0 of greater than two
00:27:53.960
and is a hundred percent deadly, of course, you know what that means. So we need to be prepared
00:28:00.040
and technology can help us be prepared, but we need to do it in a way that protects our democracy. And
00:28:06.040
today we are not doing that. I would not trust a tech company or the Chinese Communist Party to put out
00:28:12.280
tracking stuff right now because it doesn't, you know, that's why global data protection regulations
00:28:19.560
were put in place because the real is the Europeans realize that these tools have gotten far too
00:28:26.280
invasive into our lives. And we need to implement technology in a way that can protect us from a
00:28:32.360
pandemic, but not turn us into an authoritarian dictatorship at the same time. Robert, who do you
00:28:39.560
trust to protect us today? Who do you trust to make the right decisions to make sure this can be
00:28:44.440
either prevented or this can be handled in the most effective way possible in the future when it
00:28:52.200
happens again? Well, I would say that today we need to revamp the CDC. The CDC was clearly not prepared
00:29:01.240
to deal with a pandemic. I would say in that case that Bill Gates was right, but he's not the only one.
00:29:07.880
A lot of people have said, hey, CDC, you're not prepared. We're not doing the things the right way.
00:29:13.240
I would, after this is all over, I would go to Taiwan and basically say, show us what you did.
00:29:21.080
And then let's figure out how in our democracy, we're not Taiwan, they're a much smaller country,
00:29:28.040
a lot fewer people, but how do in our democracy to become a lot better prepared for dealing with a
00:29:34.680
pandemic? Because you know, there's going to be something else that comes, you know, in the future.
00:29:40.440
So we can't just, you know, forget about it like we forgot about SARS. We actually need to learn
00:29:45.480
something this time. Apply technology, but apply it in a humane way that really recognizes that we're a
00:29:52.520
free society and citizens want their data security and privacy intact. When you were active in the Air
00:30:01.720
Force, and you lived in China, and you had all these pandemics that's being talked about more
00:30:08.280
over there than here, did you ever expect something like this to get to the point in the US where
00:30:13.800
everybody would be forced to shut down for as long as we've been shut down?
00:30:16.760
No, but you know what, that's, that's to be expected, because I didn't think,
00:30:23.400
you know, I understood, you know, as I said, as early as 2008, that we could have a potentially
00:30:32.040
a pandemic that would be devastating. But you don't really think about the consequences. You know,
00:30:37.720
I didn't sit there and dwell on, okay, this would actually be the economic devastation would
00:30:44.520
actually be worse. It's only after, you know, the first week of this shutdown that I realized,
00:30:50.600
oh my gosh, first of all, the models are incorrect. They are hyperinflated. And that's the first week of
00:30:57.880
this shutdown. And I realized, okay, what's going to happen here is based on the data that I'm seeing,
00:31:03.800
the empirical data, the actual deaths that are happening, the actual infections that we're finding,
00:31:09.640
that this is not going to be as severe as the models are predicting. And the models are driving
00:31:14.440
us to shut the country down. And as we shut the country down, you know, what happens, companies
00:31:21.800
close, businesses close, people are unemployed, we've got, I think now is 23 million, we're looking
00:31:28.280
at something like 40 million people being unemployed in a short period of time. Oh, by the way, food
00:31:35.080
factories have shut down. So warehouses are starting to drain, and supermarkets are going to be next.
00:31:40.840
We, this country, the way we do logistics and delivery of supplies is not meant for a long-term
00:31:47.960
shutdown. And so what I realized after the first week is if we didn't figure out how to deal with
00:31:54.680
this and open the country back up, the economic devastation would be far worse to our social fabric
00:32:01.720
than anything the coronavirus could do. And of course, that's played out exactly as I said.
00:32:07.240
So, so if you were somebody who was in charge, and now that we have some more data, would you say
00:32:14.920
open it back up to getting the economy going and businesses opening back up? Is it is that what
00:32:20.440
you're suggesting that it's time for us to do that? Yeah, I would institute randomized testing of the
00:32:26.280
entire population randomized, we don't have to test every single statistics works, we can we can do
00:32:32.760
random testing, I would institute masks, and social distancing, and I would put people back to work.
00:32:39.480
And for those that were most at risk, I would say continue to quarantine, and until this abates.
00:32:45.960
But here's the deal. Those people aren't going to want to stay cooped up for 12 to 18 months that
00:32:51.640
Dr. Fauci thinks it's going to take to get a vaccine. So what I what I predict will happen is
00:32:59.720
people will be wearing these masks for about two weeks. And then they'll be back to work. And then
00:33:05.080
the masks are going to come off. And then they're just going to start living their lives again.
00:33:08.600
I think what we what we have now is mass hysteria, and mass fear. And we need to get back and in
00:33:14.920
contact with each other again. And as we get back in contact with each other again, we'll realize that
00:33:21.320
we're not going to die every time we see somebody. And when that happens, we're going to get tired of
00:33:25.960
wearing masks, and you know, doing the elbow bump, and it's going to go back to the way things were.
00:33:32.280
But we need to be able to get people out of their homes, and in contact with each other,
00:33:36.840
and actually running the economy. Because if we don't, we're going to be in a big trouble,
00:33:42.360
and the country is not going to be able to deal with a social disorder that's going to come
00:33:49.800
Is the way of doing business forever changed? Or no, we'll forget about this and move on in the
00:33:55.800
next six, 12 months? We'll forget about it and move on.
00:33:58.520
You think we're going to forget about it and move on?
00:34:00.520
I think we're going to forget about it and move on.
00:34:03.240
People have very short memories. We just need to get rid of the fear, create some certainty,
00:34:10.280
understand that, no, everybody's not going to die. Some people won't even get sick.
00:34:15.720
Most people, 85% of the people or so, will not even have symptoms.
00:34:26.280
That's a big number, 85% of them won't even have. And you're hearing about some people even being
00:34:29.960
immune to it, meaning they can't even get it. Like, even if you…
00:34:32.600
Dr. And that would be, that would be, you know, the 85% that don't have symptoms. I mean,
00:34:37.720
essentially, disease really comes from the reaction of the body to fighting the organism,
00:34:43.720
and the fact that you have some preexisting medical condition or you're elderly.
00:34:49.240
Dr. So you're thinking a part of the solution is immediate
00:34:55.960
herd immunity with a form of quarantine for those who are above a certain age to keep staying safe
00:35:04.600
until this goes back to normal. So you're for a form of herd immunity.
00:35:08.840
Dr. So, yes, but I'm also for flattening the curve. I recognize that, and particularly,
00:35:15.720
and this is what I said also in the beginning, the entire country is not New York. If you've lived
00:35:20.360
in New York, and I have, you understand the population density is such that it needs to act
00:35:27.480
differently than Fresno, California, where I grew up, right? We're not packed like sardines in Fresno,
00:35:33.960
California, but we definitely are in Manhattan, and 40% of the people are riding the subway.
00:35:40.360
So that's a different situation. So each locality in the United States needs to have different rules
00:35:46.680
peculiar to that locality. And then we need to take precautions, as I said. So I'm not against
00:35:52.440
flattening the curve. And so if we wanted to take two weeks off until we could get the right procedures,
00:35:59.320
so that people understood that you wear a mask not to protect yourself. You wear a mask to protect
00:36:05.960
other people from what's coming, what you're breathing out. So if you are asymptomatic,
00:36:11.720
you're not breathing those out up to 13 feet away from your body. And then not shaking hands. Again,
00:36:19.480
that makes sense in this current environment. But here's the deal. If we don't have
00:36:23.640
a vaccine in 18 months, like Fauci says, then what are those people that are at risk going to do?
00:36:31.560
I mean, there's been people that are 85 years old that have lived through the virus. People do not do
00:36:38.360
well if they're cooped up in their house for months on end. And this country won't do well economically
00:36:44.520
if we do that. And so you had to do some curve flattening, but then we needed to get right back to
00:36:49.400
work and really understand that we're going to get through this. This coronavirus is not so deadly,
00:36:57.160
so much more deadly than the common flu. We lost 60,000 people last year to the flu, by the way.
00:37:04.120
How is your current life right now? What are you doing? Are you staying home? Are you going out?
00:37:09.960
I am. All the people that I would typically interact with, all of those organizations and
00:37:17.880
offices are shut down. So the only thing I can do to interact and to continue to do what I do,
00:37:23.000
which is press and push the message about the Chinese Communist Party, is do like I'm doing here,
00:37:27.560
which is do it virtually. Look, that being said, here's some good news. The federal government
00:37:33.800
actually mandated that the federal government implement telecommunication or telework for as
00:37:43.480
much of the workforce as possible. And the federal government's basically ignored that for decades.
00:37:51.320
And hopefully what's come out of this is a realization, hey, that we can be somewhat productive
00:37:56.680
doing telework. We don't want to do it all, but we can save money on transportation. We can save the
00:38:02.120
waste of time that we're in the vehicle by doing a lot of things virtually. We don't want to do
00:38:06.520
everything virtually, but I think that's one of the benefits of this actually shutdown is really
00:38:12.280
recognizing that we can work like this. Is it driving you nuts or no?
00:38:18.280
I'm going stir crazy. Yeah, I fully understand. So you were in China when SARS happened, weren't you?
00:38:25.480
I think you were living in China when SARS happened. I was.
00:38:28.200
What was it like in China? Was there a hysteria or was it just kind of like they're used to it and
00:38:34.600
they have certain steps that they took? So again, I didn't understand the Chinese Communist Party at
00:38:40.920
the time. So I actually believed what Beijing was saying. And at the time it was in Southern China
00:38:50.040
where it started, I think Guangzhou, and then it spread to Beijing. And, you know, do the geography,
00:38:58.840
Shanghai is between Guangzhou and Beijing. So I thought it was odd that Shanghai had hardly any
00:39:05.640
sicknesses. And I thought, well, there's something wrong there. But that leads us to say we weren't
00:39:11.160
huddling in our house. What happened was all of the all the embassy people in the US were evacuated
00:39:19.720
when SARS happened. And but they forgot about us, me and my family. So we were living in Shanghai
00:39:27.400
and everybody had been evacuated for like a month. And then somebody picks up the phone and calls me in
00:39:33.240
Shanghai and they say, we forgot. We forgot about you. Would you like to be evacuated? I thought,
00:39:40.280
OK, well, if everybody else is evacuated, even though the numbers are low here in Shanghai. And
00:39:45.800
that I've not always seemed weird to me. Maybe it's it's it's wise that we evacuate. So we eventually
00:39:51.080
evacuated. And then within a couple of months, you know, everything was clear and we came back.
00:39:55.960
How quickly did things clear up there? Was it I mean, meaning culturally, was the news saying, oh,
00:40:03.960
everything's OK, everything is fine. It's nothing bad. You know, just kind of like right now, the news.
00:40:08.600
We only have 82,000 cases, only 3000 people have died and we haven't had any death since we've opened
00:40:14.200
up. How much of it was the media trying to control the narrative because the media is controlled by the
00:40:19.240
government? How much of it was controlled by the government? Yeah, I mean, I think it was again,
00:40:23.560
they were doing the exact. So how the government reacted now that I, you know, as I look back,
00:40:29.240
I realize they were doing the exact same things. No change as today. As today. As today. Same thing.
00:40:38.280
Robert, with with coronavirus going on, last time you and I spoke, this wasn't going on.
00:40:44.600
How has your opinion about China changed the last five months? Well, my opinion hasn't changed at all.
00:40:50.680
What what I'm what I'm thankful to see is everybody is starting to have the awakening
00:40:56.360
that I had in 2014 when I opened that email from from the guy from New York and looked at the,
00:41:03.320
you know, the devastation of our economy, you know, that the that the audit firm had found.
00:41:08.360
And and that's when my eyes opened. I think what's happening now, the coronavirus is enabling
00:41:15.320
not just Americans, people all over the world to see for the first time with clear eyes what the Chinese
00:41:20.360
Communist Party is and what they represent. So a lot of your theories where you were
00:41:26.680
getting criticism for last year. Now people are saying, well, Robert, I agree with you.
00:41:32.040
You're getting you're you're you're you're getting that experience with people today.
00:41:35.800
Absolutely. And not only that, you know, they're they're buying the book Stealth War and they're
00:41:40.680
they're reading it and they're understanding it. You know, look, Patrick, I knew that eventually
00:41:48.120
people would wake up because it's just it's it's pure facts. You can see what's going on.
00:41:54.280
And when and all it took was something to awaken them. And so what's happening now in terms of
00:42:01.000
realization, I think, is something that I always expected. I just thought it was going to come
00:42:06.440
long. It was going to take a longer amount of time for me to be out there messaging. You know,
00:42:11.000
the coronavirus is actually the other silver lining other than telecommuting is the the awakening of
00:42:17.960
the American people and other democracies to what totalitarianism is, what the Chinese Communist Party
00:42:23.880
is and and how democracies really need to respond in a globalized world to the presence of
00:42:31.720
totalitarianism in our midst. How is China held accountable moving forward? How does the world how does
00:42:39.160
America hold China accountable moving forward? Well, I think there's a number of ways we could
00:42:43.960
continue with the what the federal government is doing. We could make tariffs permanent like back
00:42:50.520
before they entered the WTO because they have a non-market based economy. You know, all of these
00:42:56.040
countries that have Belt and Road Initiative projects could collectively decide to default on their payments,
00:43:03.880
all of them together. And then we can also seek reparations from across the board from all countries,
00:43:12.520
because, you know, trillions of dollars in lost economic productivity, you know, thousands of people
00:43:20.760
killed and made sick. This was we know was purposely done by the Chinese Communist Party. It's clear that,
00:43:29.160
you know, any any reparations we want to get at this at this point would be would be warranted.
00:43:39.960
How much do you trust the World Health Organization?
00:43:46.120
So it's fair to say that you and Tedros are not on texting mode?
00:43:51.000
I think he, I think he tweeted, uh, yesterday love. And I said, I tweeted me some CCP.
00:44:12.920
Well, because he, if he wasn't, why would he, knowing that there's human to human transmission,
00:44:21.160
not call for a global pandemic warning prior to those five million people leaving Wuhan?
00:44:30.520
He enabled it so that the Chinese Communist Party perpetrated it. And the WHO, who's has a
00:44:36.760
responsibility to warn the public, just like the CDC of Taiwan warned its public, except world means
00:44:45.320
everybody. They have their responsibility to unflinchingly go to China, ask the hard questions.
00:44:53.000
If they get the wrong answers, turn around and say global pandemic, shut it down. And Tedros is there
00:44:58.680
having news conferences saying we should not stigmatize China and we should allow travel.
00:45:06.520
You know, there's no problem here. Okay. Meaning you guys keep your airports open and, and all these
00:45:11.720
infected people are going to go to Europe. Then they're going to go to New York and we're going to
00:45:16.040
have tens of thousands of people die. That's what Tedros did.
00:45:20.280
How did he get hired? How did he get the job by the way?
00:45:23.000
He was pushed. He was, he's backed by China. And so was the prior director general of the WHO.
00:45:29.320
So it's actually been under the influence of the Chinese Communist Party for quite some time.
00:45:34.600
Do you think Trump's making a right move saying they're going to defund them?
00:45:39.640
What, what person in his right mind would fund an organization that is under the influence of a
00:45:47.640
totalitarian regime and absolutely incapable of doing this job. It doesn't make any sense that we
00:45:53.800
send 400, let's take that 400 million and let's reform the CDC and, and, and tell them to learn
00:46:00.120
some lessons from Taiwan and actually implement them here. So the next time this happens by God,
00:46:06.200
Who do you trust more world trade organization or world health organization?
00:46:11.240
I would put them on an, I would say I trust a WTO about a half a millimeter, you know,
00:46:22.200
a hair length above the WHO. You, you, you think guys like this,
00:46:27.720
because sometimes you hear these stories, you think guys like this are getting paid on the side
00:46:30.840
that no one knows about from China. Or do you think, or you think, you think Tedros is getting paid
00:46:35.000
on the side and no one knows about it. There is something, there is some remuneration that's going
00:46:40.440
on that we will probably never have insight into. No doubt in my mind.
00:46:46.200
Who does he report to? Who does well, who does Tedros report to and world health organization?
00:46:54.280
That's a good question. I would assume that the, uh, uh, the secretary general of the United Nations,
00:47:00.440
but you know, and at the end of the day, you know, all of these international institutions don't
00:47:05.960
report to anybody. That's the whole point of the system. It's, it's kind of, uh, you know,
00:47:10.680
we come together and, and agree on a set of rules that we're going to abide by.
00:47:14.920
And that's what I've been trying to say is when you bring a totalitarian regime into that system
00:47:20.440
that doesn't play by the rules, who then has the power to influence that system
00:47:25.560
instead of democratic principles, human rights, civil liberty, rule of law,
00:47:29.400
self-determination, free trade, you get the opposite.
00:47:32.600
Uh, do you think this method of running a country can last a long time,
00:47:38.120
or do you think a collapse like, uh, Gordon, uh, Chang talks about is around the corner?
00:47:42.600
I don't think it collapses around the corner unless democracies recognize what's going on and
00:47:49.080
work to limit the influence of the Chinese communist party, both in their own countries
00:47:53.560
and in international institutions. It's there, there's no way that they have too much access to
00:47:59.560
innovation, technology, talent, and capital from the West, from all sectors. Uh, they're, they're going
00:48:06.520
to be fine. You know, if we were actually managed as democracies to come together. So forget about the
00:48:12.360
WHO democracies need to recognize that the international institutions aren't promoting the principles and
00:48:18.440
values that they espouse and they just need to work together bilaterally and then over time,
00:48:24.120
multilaterally to ensure those principles are reinforced in, uh, in institutions like the United
00:48:31.400
Nations and the World Health Organization and the World Trade Organization. It's politics.
00:48:37.000
Geopolitics is just like politics on a local or a national level. The more that you have on your
00:48:43.800
side that are actually pushing for preservation of the system and preservation of the principles,
00:48:49.080
that side will win out over those that are trying to tear it down. And I think what's happened is the
00:48:54.360
democracies of the world have kind of let the authoritarians take over using money and influence,
00:48:59.640
and they've been very successful at it. It's time for us to take back ownership of the international
00:49:04.760
order and promote the kind of principles that we want to see go forward and propagate in the world.
00:49:09.480
It makes you, uh, makes you think, uh, you know, I asked this question from a few other people.
00:49:16.120
I'm curious to know what you say about this is, you know, we're sitting here and we're strong-arming
00:49:22.200
China. We're negotiating with them, but at the same time, hey, we need some masks. Where's it made?
00:49:26.840
China. Well, listen, we got to take it anyways. Hey, we need these ventilators. Take them anyways.
00:49:33.160
Hey, we need this medicine. If they come out with a solution for a coronavirus, well,
00:49:37.240
China's 80% of pharma is built over there. Have we gone too far where the world is relying a little
00:49:44.680
too much on China and China knows it and uses that as leverage to negotiate and push people around?
00:49:53.480
How do you get away from that? Well, um, first of all, you go back to making tariffs permanent because
00:49:59.960
they, they're human rights violators and they don't have a free market economy. Uh, you don't allow,
00:50:06.680
us corporations to count assets held in China because they have a non-convertible currency and
00:50:12.760
strict capital controls. You don't allow our retirement funds to invest in Chinese companies
00:50:18.600
and Chinese bonds and stocks because we don't require them to be audited like we do us companies.
00:50:24.680
You basically just make the Chinese abide by all the same rules that Americans and American companies
00:50:32.920
have to abide by here in the United States. And you do that with all our allies and partners.
00:50:38.120
And when you do that, they don't have purchase, right? They have to compete on a level playing field.
00:50:43.560
That's not what they're used to. They're used to getting their way. And we did that for a reason.
00:50:48.120
We did that because we thought they would democratize. They would liberalize politically.
00:50:52.840
They would become more like us. What they've created is a world that, that drives us to be
00:51:00.680
I asked you this question last time. I'm wondering if your answer has changed at all.
00:51:05.960
Who needs who more? Is it US needs China or does China need US?
00:51:10.200
The US doesn't need China at all, at all. Our economy does not derive a majority of its value
00:51:18.680
from China. It derives a majority of its value domestically. We have a very good consumption
00:51:24.760
based economy here in the United States. But the Chinese economy absolutely is dependent on the
00:51:32.200
United States and other democratic economies. And so theirs is an export-driven economy.
00:51:40.920
So we don't need China at all. They absolutely need us.
00:51:44.520
If that's the case, why aren't we coming together on the same page and pushing them a little bit to
00:51:51.720
say, hey, you know, you got to open it up. And if you want us to be more comfortable,
00:51:55.560
I want you to allow Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, social media, media, everybody in China,
00:51:59.880
because we got to know what's going on there because we don't trust any of your data.
00:52:03.640
Well, that's just not going to happen. The Chinese Communist Party is not going to do that. The
00:52:07.080
reason our corporations and our investment banks are pushing for us to be there is because,
00:52:14.520
you know, the Chinese government subsidizes power to the factories. They allow them, you know,
00:52:20.520
through the inspectors not to abide by environmental rules. You've got nets around the Foxton plant
00:52:27.320
because people jump out because of the, the intense, you know, labor violations that are
00:52:33.080
going on in China. So it's all the, all the horrible things that we live through in our economy,
00:52:38.920
but because we're a democracy, we put in labor laws and we put in environmental protections.
00:52:44.120
You know, we actually dealt with this kind of behavior. All of these corporations have gone over
00:52:50.360
to China where the rules don't exist. The only rule is that the Chinese Communist Party stays in,
00:52:55.080
in control. And that allows companies like Apple to have $260 billion in cash because their margins
00:53:02.120
are incredibly steep because of those reasons. On the investment bank side, they get a fee for every
00:53:07.640
Chinese stock and Chinese bond that's sold. And so they're more than willing to push it. Even,
00:53:12.520
you even saw with the coronavirus and the fact that trade war is on, you still got investment banks
00:53:17.960
in Wall Street pushing Chinese stocks saying, this is where you need to invest. It just,
00:53:23.480
it really lets you know, you know, what's going on. The system is incentivized to provide the Chinese
00:53:29.560
Communist Party with everything they need. The system is incentivized to provide the Chinese
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Party with everything that needs. What does that mean? That means we set the rules to benefit Chinese
00:53:42.200
companies. And the Chinese companies and the government have taken advantage of those rules
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to be a predatory, or a better word, a parasitic economy on the United States and other democracies.
00:53:55.640
And unless we cut those ties, it's just like if you have a tumor, the tumor continues to pull more and
00:54:01.640
more blood from your body. The same thing that China will do. It will pull more and more blood
00:54:07.560
from, from, from the American society. Let me ask you, your, one of your very good friends,
00:54:15.560
Joe Biden, if you don't mind me talking about your good friend, Joe Biden, how, how do you feel
00:54:21.320
about him now being the, you know, not me, he's, he's, he's it, you know, Warren is endorsing him,
00:54:28.680
you know, Sanders endorsed them. And, oh my gosh, Obama's not endorsing him. This is catastrophic.
00:54:34.440
Obama endorses him. Buttigieg, everybody, Super Tuesday, he's had momentum, right?
00:54:40.280
What, what happens to US if Biden gets elected? Let's just say this happens. And let's just say
00:54:46.120
they can kind of get people to do voting from, you know, home and they don't have to go and,
00:54:51.640
you know, voter fraud and all that stuff happens. What, what does America look like in 2021 if Joe
00:54:57.080
Biden is president? Okay, well, so you have to understand that I'm, I'm a little bit of a different,
00:55:02.200
uh, um, I'm a little bit of a different species when it comes to, uh, voting. I'm right now I'm a
00:55:08.920
one, I'm a one issue voter. It really is our relationship with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:55:14.200
So as I look around, so first of all, I'm not really content with any politician that's been,
00:55:20.760
uh, in politics for decades in this country, because I think that they, they've completely
00:55:25.640
missed what, what was going on with regard, uh, to China. That being said, um, you know, between,
00:55:32.200
but let's say, so let's look at the Democratic side between Biden and Pelosi. I would, I would
00:55:38.360
be more inclined to elect Pelosi than I would Biden because at least Pelosi has been consistent about
00:55:45.160
her views on China and the Chinese Communist Party. That has been one, whether, whether you like
00:55:51.240
her politics or not, that she's been consistent on, uh, on the, on the right, you know, I don't know
00:55:56.920
anybody that's been consistent for a long time on the Chinese Communist Party, and they probably
00:56:01.640
wouldn't be in politics if they had. And so I think one of the challenges that we have is, you know,
00:56:06.920
anybody that's an established, establishment politician that's running for the highest office
00:56:12.360
in the land is not prepared to lead us away from the Chinese Communist Party. That's the way I look at
00:56:19.000
it. Um, I, I don't, I don't favor Biden just because I think he, he clearly has, um, a favoritism
00:56:26.920
towards China and the Chinese Communist Party. Do you think the, the, the tariffs would go away
00:56:32.120
if Biden becomes president with China? You know, I don't know that we'd have a different, um,
00:56:38.280
outcome because I do see that some of the younger politicians, um, are starting to come around to
00:56:44.600
understanding the danger and the threat of the Chinese Communist Party. It doesn't matter if they're on the
00:56:48.680
right or if they're on the left. So I think it'd be much harder to get, you know, the things through
00:56:54.280
Congress. But what would happen is, is, you know, he just would not, you, you would slow things down
00:57:01.960
that need to be done to protect the American population. So I want to see somebody in there
00:57:06.680
that's aggressively going after this and, you know, and then let's, let's go another four years where
00:57:13.320
we're actually focused on protecting our businesses and our people. And then let's see where we stand before
00:57:18.280
we even think about, you know, uh, having a more open, you know, um, policy with regard to China.
00:57:24.760
The Chinese Communist Party is not going to change. So I would say that, you know, you have to view
00:57:28.920
that with, with clear eyes. Do you think president Trump's the right, uh, leader during times like
00:57:34.360
this to continue challenging and pushing China? I think he is. And the reason is, is because he's
00:57:39.720
not a politician. And, um, you know, what I saw when I was at the white house is look, he just asks
00:57:45.000
questions. And, and for me, you know, if you're, sometimes it is the case that the best leader for
00:57:53.160
a situation is one that didn't grow up in the system because then they can question why the
00:57:59.000
system is the way it is. They can ask questions and if they don't get good answers, then they can
00:58:04.360
make a decision that no other person that grew up in that system would be willing to make. The,
00:58:10.920
the hardest thing it is for, for people to do that, that have been in a bureaucracy for,
00:58:15.400
for decades is really realize that they've, that they've been going the wrong way for a long time.
00:58:21.400
And those people are very hard to convince. And, and so I would, I would definitely look at somebody
00:58:27.720
that's outside the mainstream, you know, to make the change. Now, what I see coming forward is there's a
00:58:34.520
lot of, um, you know, both Republican and Democratic senators and congressmen, uh, and women that are
00:58:41.880
actually waking up. And so I feel much more comfortable about our future in terms of the,
00:58:47.000
the establishment, because they're going to be established during a time when we recognize the
00:58:51.240
threat and they're going to be, they're going to be more wary of it, you know, but of course,
00:58:55.320
you know, the problem with, with this current system is term limits allows for all of these people
00:59:01.960
that have, you know, really just been in the government all their lives and haven't actually
00:59:06.440
had to go and, and, and live out in society. So I think in a way, because we don't have term limits,
00:59:11.880
we have a disconnect between our politicians that have been in office for decades and the populace.
00:59:18.440
If this continues past November, you see Trump still getting reelected?
00:59:23.320
Um, I hope so. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm confident that he will, because I think, um,
00:59:29.160
the people recognize that, you know, we have to go a different, we have to go in a different way,
00:59:33.960
which is by the way, why, um, a socialist, you know, Bernie Sanders almost won, you know,
00:59:39.640
the primary last time. I think this time, you know, the democratic party doesn't really, um,
00:59:45.960
it's gotta, it's gotta, it's gotta come to grips with the fact that it's got a significant
00:59:50.280
percentage of its, of its base that doesn't agree with, um, with Biden as a pick.
00:59:55.880
A big, I mean, AOC is going after him hardcore. She's not even slowing down at all.
01:00:02.040
Uh, okay. So let's shift back to the 5G conversation with coronavirus. When I asked you earlier,
01:00:06.840
I said, do you see any thing being linked between 5G and coronavirus? You said, absolutely not.
01:00:12.680
Tell me why. Well, you know, I saw a couple of these videos where, um,
01:00:18.680
you know, the guy said that, uh, I can't remember the guy's name, but he said basically that,
01:00:25.000
you know, there's a theory that radiation has caused, um, uh, genetic breakdown of the body and
01:00:31.960
your excreted, uh, pieces of genetic code. And that's what viruses are. They're not,
01:00:37.240
they're not actually organisms. Um, they're pieces of your DNA that have been broken off by this
01:00:43.480
radiation and they're expressing themselves, you know, out of your orifices. And this is just
01:00:48.760
indicative of widespread radiation. That's just, that's, that's, that's fiction. That's not science.
01:00:54.680
And so, you know, viruses do exist. They are organisms. Um, and, and they have a specific
01:01:00.200
way of, of doing the things that they do. And, um, and so, you know, five, first of all, 5G is not
01:01:08.680
very widely deployed, right? AT&T has 5G on their phone, but they're, that's not 5G.
01:01:15.800
Uh, most companies in the West are deploying, uh, 5G radios on a very, very slow rate because the
01:01:25.560
telecom industry is really a dying industry. For each added bit of capacity, uh, the financial
01:01:32.200
returns just aren't there for them to add more capacity. So they're really, they're really slowing
01:01:37.240
down the deployment of 5G. The only ones, by the way, that are deploying 5G, uh, at a, at a very high
01:01:43.880
rate is China. And of course, South Korea did it. Now, South Korea did it. Um, it's got a smaller
01:01:51.060
country, a smaller population that's got much more broadband penetration in the society. It really
01:01:56.080
wants to be on the leadership of, of, of science and technology. And so it's, it did it as a national
01:02:01.860
strategic decision. China is doing it as a national strategic decision, but they're not just deploying
01:02:08.260
it in China. They're deploying it in any country that will take Huawei. So the biggest deployments
01:02:13.800
in 5G are coming from the Chinese, uh, clearly. So, um, you know, if that's it, so then you say,
01:02:21.500
well, Wuhan, uh, is the, um, is the start of it because of all the 5G that China has been deploying.
01:02:28.120
Um, well, I would say that you've got a higher probability that it came from the P4 lab,
01:02:33.960
you know, where they were working on that virus, um, you know, for the specific gain of function.
01:02:39.980
That's why more likely it came out, not because, um, you know, 5G it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's,
01:02:47.580
it's like, um, it's like, uh, you know, the, the term, uh, the magic term alchemy, you know,
01:02:53.380
it's a blend of science and magic. And so it sounds plausible when you listen to these videos,
01:02:58.700
but it breaks down under, um, under scrutiny, under rigorous scientific scrutiny,
01:03:04.900
you know, viruses are real. They're not excretions of your DNA because you've been radiated. It's just
01:03:12.680
Last thing here before we wrap up is, I don't know if you heard yesterday, the CEO of Huawei stepped
01:03:17.720
down. So, uh, as of yesterday, he stepped down and he replaced himself with Jin Poo. Uh, Ren, uh,
01:03:26.080
Zhengfei, Zhengfei is no longer the director. Now it's Jin Poo. And British intelligence is, uh,
01:03:32.500
uh, challenging UK to reconsider their relationship with Huawei, putting stricter, uh, control of high
01:03:38.540
tech and other industries that are coming in. And Huawei responds in an open letter calling not to
01:03:43.720
change its partnership on 5G with Huawei. This is to UK. If they do, it will cause them harm, meaning
01:03:50.460
it'll cause UK harm. And then obviously, you know about the fact that with France, they needed to buy
01:03:57.920
some medical equipment from China and China said, we will sell it to you and we'll make it for you.
01:04:03.020
If you agree to use Huawei to allow it to come to, uh, France. What do you think about when you're
01:04:10.840
seeing a country like UK telling China, no, we, we wanted to do business. We no longer want to do
01:04:16.140
business with you. And they're getting that kind of recommendation to them. Well, you know, I think,
01:04:20.960
um, UK is a very special case. You know, 15 years ago, British telecom went all Huawei.
01:04:26.180
Huawei. And, um, and so that means they have to build an entire new network from scratch.
01:04:33.660
Really nobody else has to do that. So I always knew it was going to be hard to get them
01:04:36.960
over the hurdle. Um, but not impossible. It's just going to take a lot, a longer amount of time.
01:04:42.340
So, you know, I think what it, what it, uh, what you didn't, um, what you didn't say is that
01:04:48.180
they actually also went Huawei went China, went to India with Huawei and told the Indians,
01:04:53.620
if you take Huawei, it'll make you better able to control, uh, the coronavirus because,
01:04:59.760
you know, the sensors that you can attach to the network will allow you to, to monitor the
01:05:03.940
population for, for fevers and do contact tracing. So, so they're actually using it as a selling
01:05:09.460
mechanism for 5g. I think what you're seeing is the whole world's waking up to the danger of,
01:05:15.020
it's not 5g, it's data security. It's really privacy and data security. That's, that's a challenge
01:05:20.680
and artificial intelligence. I don't think I said this last time, but go read, uh, the AI superpower
01:05:27.520
by Kai-Fu Lee. He's China's leading artificial intelligence researcher. What Kai-Fu Lee says
01:05:34.400
is that China is to data as Saudi Arabia is to oil. In other words, the strategy of China is to
01:05:42.580
become the Saudi Arabia of data. Why? Because it drives artificial intelligence. That's what they're
01:05:49.900
after. They're after the ability to be dominant in the economic sphere and the social sphere and the
01:05:56.540
political sphere and in the military sphere and owning all that data will allow them to have the
01:06:02.980
artificial intelligence to do that. That's what they believe. That's, uh, that's pretty, that's
01:06:08.640
pretty powerful right there to say they want all the data. I remember 10 years ago, 12 years ago,
01:06:13.160
Ted talks had a conference and they said, one of the main things, uh, moving forward is going to be data.
01:06:18.560
Everything's about data. And we know now everything is data. Everybody who's building any kind of data
01:06:23.100
companies. Nowadays, you want to go to college, the right degree to get us predictive analytics
01:06:26.580
because they're hiring you left and right for, uh, folks who understand predictive analytics.
01:06:31.440
Robert, I'll give you the final thought. Anything here that you want to share with us before we wrap
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this up with coronavirus, with the current conditions, where people are at, people have a lot of thoughts,
01:06:40.160
a lot of questions, a lot of fears, a lot of concerns. They're watching the news 24 seven
01:06:43.620
with notifications telling them, you know, these are terrible times and scary times.
01:06:49.000
What are your final thoughts for us here? Um, you're going to be better than fine. You know,
01:06:54.580
I see this country coming out of this coronavirus and coming out of this tight relationship with the
01:07:00.140
Chinese communist party and making our, our society, our economy, our, our, our, our people
01:07:06.760
stronger than ever, you know, freer than ever. I really believe we have everything in front of us.
01:07:13.540
And we have all the things that we need. We have all the resources we need. We have the people,
01:07:17.760
we have the talented people. We have, you know, the constitution that provides us, you know,
01:07:22.820
a freedom, uh, to live the life in the way that we want. I think, you know, I'm extremely positive
01:07:28.900
on America. You know, I can, I can say with confidence that in spite of all this, this is,
01:07:34.040
we are probably on the precipice of unprecedented economic growth and science and technology advancement.
01:07:41.280
We just, we, we need to recognize what we have in front of us and seize it.
01:07:46.900
So you're bullish with the economy, with the market.
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I'm, I'm bullish. I'm, I'm 100% all in long America.
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I love it. Well, listen, it's good to have you back here with us. Thank you so much for coming
01:08:01.820
Thank you, Patrick. It's great to see you again.
01:08:03.760
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