Valuetainment - Episode 483： Doc Antle Reveals Mysteries Of Carole Baskin & Tiger King

00:00:00.000 30 seconds did you ever think you would make it i feel i'm so close i could take sweet victory

00:00:07.200 i know this life meant for me yeah why would you bet on goliath when we got bet david

00:00:14.120 value taming giving values contagious this world of entrepreneurs we get no value to haters how

00:00:19.280 they run homie look what i become i'm the i'm the one i'm patrick by the way host of item and

00:00:23.940 today we're gonna have some fun because we're talking to doc antel from tiger king yes doc

00:00:28.800 antel from tiger king and he's gonna reveal how much money he got paid from this documentary

00:00:34.620 that got 65 70 million viewers you're gonna be shell-shocked how much they actually paid

00:00:40.640 doc antel doc thank you for being a guest on the entertainment today thank you thanks for having

00:00:44.880 me so so let me ask you i mean i i had a chance i'm at work one of my graphic designers nancy is

00:00:50.900 talking about tiger king pat you gotta watch it it's amazing the story of joe exotic so they go and

00:00:57.180 create a meme of me dressed as joe exotic i still have no clue what's going on they post it on

00:01:02.660 instagram everybody's thinking i watched it then i said look you know let me see what these guys are

00:01:07.080 talking i watched the first episode one night i find myself you know staying up to three o'clock

00:01:11.080 in the morning watching this flipping show of tiger king i couldn't believe i did that so

00:01:15.280 have you had a chance to watch the whole thing beginning to end yeah i got to watch it you know i took

00:01:20.960 the time and looked through it it's a quite the salacious sensationalism ride you know one thing

00:01:27.600 it definitely is not is a documentary it is just a wild tv ride made by some really good editors

00:01:34.620 so one thing it's really not as a documentary wow so you would call it is this one of those things

00:01:40.920 qualified to say uh uh a docu a a fiction based on some true stories yeah you know a docu drama it's a

00:01:50.700 it's a it's a great tale and there are some big truths in there like that carol baskin killed her

00:01:57.560 husband you know there's some big points big powerful parts but there's a whole lot of tall

00:02:02.700 tale that's getting rolled along as well so has it done good for you has it done like when it came out

00:02:08.480 were you happy this was coming out or were you kind of like indifferent about it i mean it was a

00:02:13.480 disaster in certain ways it made a lot of outrageous claims against us and and what we do and how we what

00:02:19.560 we're really working on i worked on another program for three years it was a hbo show about uh

00:02:26.860 environmental protection about tiger conservation um it included richard branson on his lemur

00:02:33.180 conservation program and a guy that was a turtle conservation guy we were doing a whole program

00:02:39.080 of how private people were able to produce great results for worldwide conservation we worked on that

00:02:46.660 for a few years and then uh this march i just happened to see a trailer for tiger king and i

00:02:54.000 saw i was in it and i was like what is going on and i called up the director producer um eric goodin said

00:03:00.760 what the heck's happening here dude this is this looks like i'm in this and i did not give you

00:03:06.040 permission for that i have a contract with you for absolutely not this what's happening and you know

00:03:12.340 he went oh well they took it from me it all went away i bulk sold everything i made this special with

00:03:19.720 you then i made this other stuff with joe exotic and i went and interviewed carol the two weren't really

00:03:24.940 supposed to mix up but uh the guys who produced for netflix um the show fire festival which is really yes

00:03:33.600 good train wreck crazy thing as well yes that guy took all the information he edited it and he made the show

00:03:41.360 out of it eric the producer director he claimed it was out of my hands they took it away uh it's not

00:03:48.400 my fault uh don't worry about it did you ever get paid or no no never died get out of here nothing

00:03:54.980 nothing are you freaking kidding me it's just it just it just fell off the map went went rolling along

00:04:02.520 and i told him how can you do this you know we don't have papers for this we only have the original

00:04:07.860 show and it says a one use only on the contract and so you know it's all going to be greater minds

00:04:14.740 than mine that will fight it out and decide uh who gets a dollar so i know i know uh joe exotic has

00:04:20.980 got what 94 million dollar lawsuit he has against them i know a bunch of things are happening like

00:04:25.020 that are you doing something with these guys or no you're just kind of leaving it out because it's

00:04:29.340 bringing a bunch of marketing to you well i mean yes i've got guys i'm just trying to get paid for

00:04:35.120 all of my footage and all the work they did gathered up uh images from programs i've done

00:04:41.180 for the last 25 years they pulled them off of an ftp site and then just stacked them into a show

00:04:47.640 when i never told them they could use a single image and the show's filled with me out so many

00:04:52.940 images on the show of tiger people are me over the last 35 years there's images me as a kid

00:05:01.260 working all kinds of big cats on there and i don't think people even can recognize it because

00:05:06.000 now i'm an ofg i'm an old fat and gray now and uh when i had that big shock of black hair

00:05:12.500 and huge mustachio i looked like a different guy yeah but you still got the look though yeah i can

00:05:17.740 still see the fact that you were you're a stud with women it's very obvious you got the charm and

00:05:22.320 you got the looks so by the way do you know the number how much money these guys made off it or no

00:05:26.380 i haven't heard a cash figure i mean i heard 78 million people have watched it so far

00:05:32.700 i think it depends on how you do the click you know there's a click where you saw a part of it

00:05:38.140 and there's the click where you binged it and knocked down the seven hours so i guess it just

00:05:42.720 depends on whose uh statistics you're looking at but it's a runaway hit certainly the biggest things

00:05:48.940 in the world these days i get a lot of contact from australia from england from the netherlands

00:05:54.320 all kinds of places around the world um are have tiger king fever so so uh chappelle got paid what

00:06:02.040 chappelle got paid 60 million for his special i believe i think seinfeld's now getting paid like

00:06:05.920 120 or something like that and that's for one hour think about it so this is seven hours

00:06:10.840 and i don't even think they got as many downloads as you guys got so if that's the case the number's

00:06:16.560 got to be a reasonable number on what they're getting paid with it yeah be again this this story

00:06:22.300 you're watching this you're kind of at first you're like oh this joe guy is an absolute scumbag

00:06:26.820 they're like oh my gosh joe's a good guy look at this carol baskin wait a minute this other doc guy

00:06:33.080 this womanizer who's got 28 wives this guy who believes in polygamy look at so it's going back

00:06:38.540 and forth now i did some research and i noticed based on what i'm reading you don't have three four

00:06:42.760 five six wives these are just girlfriends of yours or women that live on the campus with you or some of

00:06:47.700 them are employed so what's the real story here yeah we have this big family here there's 25 of

00:06:52.940 us that live here we live here because we also have a hundred big cats that we're working all the

00:06:57.980 time big adult lions and tigers we make full contact with all the time that requires people to have real

00:07:04.120 strong relationships with those animals they have to be seeing them every day the team has to get

00:07:09.620 together to take them in to bring them out to wander in the forest with them whatever it is we're

00:07:13.880 working on and so that team is a live-in team about half that team are my relatives my son and my

00:07:21.460 daughter and my other daughter their children my nieces nephews my mama lives here a bunch of us are

00:07:28.000 that family that live here and run the facility that other people have come on came on when they

00:07:33.940 were young have stayed for decades because it's an incredible lifestyle an incredible opportunity

00:07:38.900 to be exposed to wildlife in such a different way than anywhere else in the world

00:07:43.040 so from that there have been a variety of ladies that have come in they live here they work here

00:07:49.180 and they take care of stuff and yes i have been dating some of them for decades and they all know

00:07:54.640 about each other of course we're all hanging out here it's just uh not exactly what everybody else

00:08:00.940 thinks of as a normal lifestyle but but you are a qualified womanizer would you say that would you

00:08:06.380 say you're good with women i mean that that smile i can see that smiles work many times

00:08:11.020 i don't i don't know that that's a womanizer that gets a little bit negative you know

00:08:15.300 i hope i'm a charming guy and with women but a womanizer seems like maybe i'm treating them wrong

00:08:21.780 these girls live large their lives are big and great they're super talented earners they're

00:08:27.560 characters that go out and work so hard they benefit from it themselves their family come and live with

00:08:33.360 them um the girl china who's on the show uh she's there and she's got her sister living with her

00:08:40.840 they've helped run things with me here for the last 20 years they're super quality ladies that just

00:08:45.820 make the whole thing rock so so i would assume i am 41 right now okay i got an eight-year-old a six-year-old

00:08:54.040 and a three-year-old i got a three-year-old daughter i am very uh thankful for there not to have been

00:08:59.500 instagram or snapchat when i was 18 19 20 years old because i just don't want any of that stuff

00:09:04.660 to be seen by my kids because if they see some of the footage they're gonna have to explain themselves

00:09:09.440 why that's their grandpa or anything like that does some of that priority with the wording and

00:09:14.220 the language and the life you live as you get older kind of like well you know i don't want to

00:09:17.540 talk about it right now i'm a grandpa right i got kids i got grandkids i don't need to bring that

00:09:21.580 up is that kind of what phase your aunt sure to some extent certainly 20 years ago i'm 60 when i was 40

00:09:28.660 years old life was more footloose and fancy free i traveled way more i lived on a lot of big hollywood

00:09:35.320 sets i made ace ventura and jungle book and dr doolittle i lived out hollywood a lot of the time

00:09:40.900 i traveled around the world and did a lot of different films and stuff so of course you know

00:09:45.860 you're in your 30s and 40s it's a different life than you are in your 50s and 60s and you know things

00:09:51.600 are slower and faster according to you know how engaged you really want to be running a mop

00:09:56.900 and you know i found fabulous girls who stayed on you know for decades and they're so reliable and

00:10:04.300 so good at their job they are able to take care of my other kids which are these big chimpanzees and

00:10:10.800 orangutans and elephants and tigers and they make the stability of those relationships which are very

00:10:18.000 extensive you know every single night we have sit down dinner with giant chimpanzees they come in

00:10:24.400 we cook dinner with them they sit at the table and that's why we're the last ones in the western

00:10:29.680 world that has these great big apes that come in and interact with us it's a it's a bygone era that

00:10:35.600 anybody even knows how to do that any longer which do you prefer animals or human beings

00:10:40.100 people are phenomenal we have emotion and we have capacity to be incredibly cool most people are lost in

00:10:49.580 their sauce and are living on social media and they don't know which way is up so those guys i'd rather

00:10:55.220 hang out with an elephant or a monkey but if you're really living to your ability well you have this

00:11:01.060 incredible insight into the creation and all the things that are so great about it there's nothing

00:11:06.700 like great human art to inspire but i love a chimpanzee to come down and uh eat an orange with him and let

00:11:13.980 just how much he likes his orange is pretty amazing that's got to be cool not now to some of the guys

00:11:18.580 that are watching this maybe they want to get a few tips from you they don't have tigers to brag with

00:11:23.240 women they don't have chimpanzees what what kind of tips would you give to single men who aspire to

00:11:29.620 have a little bit of a game in their life that maybe they're not that good at it right now they want

00:11:33.420 some tips maybe it's a it's a friend of yours maybe it's a younger son of yours who's struggling with

00:11:38.380 women what advice do you give to men on how to you know go out there and be decent with women

00:11:42.900 well there's two sides to it there's the simple premise of be good do good be kind be compassionate

00:11:51.120 if you're stable everything around you becomes far more stable the the really difficult thing that no

00:11:58.440 one wants to hear um of how on earth you have two girlfriends at once and they know about each other is

00:12:04.280 you have to be incredibly blatantly honest from the very beginning that's not how relationships form

00:12:11.720 we tell these great big fairy tales that we watched on disney and we put people full of these

00:12:17.300 fantasable tales of how it should be could be how we feel in doll nothing's there and um i think that

00:12:24.760 that destroys a lot of relationships so blatantly honest is the hardest thing and it's the only thing

00:12:31.600 to make those lifelong connections so so when you have two relationships you just kind of tell them

00:12:36.720 listen i'm an open relationship type of guy here's where i'm at is that kind of been your approach

00:12:40.540 not exactly but you know more uh we just have this big family and and within this big family there is

00:12:49.380 so many jobs and so much stuff to do you are welcome to be here live this life and do the stuff

00:12:55.580 you want a relationship with me uh that would be just grand but you don't nobody's forced no one has

00:13:01.280 to do anything you want to be involved you can be involved if you don't it's hot in this kitchen and

00:13:06.540 you can certainly leave and it's that way every day it's a very intense situation to think that

00:13:13.520 these great big 600 pound eight foot tall guys are coming out and interacting with us every day

00:13:19.320 it's really a military series of maneuvers every day just how to open the door just how to come around

00:13:26.840 and exist with this type of precision i bet makes you have an incredibly intimate connected relationship

00:13:33.940 with anyone that you're doing that with you must rely on them so heavily and you have to get timing

00:13:40.400 with them it's like a perfect ballet and you're doing that perfect ballet day and day and day in and out

00:13:47.240 and if you screw it up someone's gonna bleed maybe someone's gonna die and you can't allow that so

00:13:54.260 the relationship is really thick in so many different ways where you're relying on people

00:14:00.360 in a manner that 99.999 percent of humanity never approaches this type of lifestyle or do they want to

00:14:09.100 it's too intense it's too precise people want life to be a little more free and simple and flowing

00:14:14.880 ours is that way with very rigorous rules and i think that that helps make it all work out what

00:14:22.160 what's the worst accident you guys ever had on your park

00:14:24.880 really the driving in cars right getting getting having somebody rear in me at 70 miles an hour to

00:14:32.780 stop sign on sunset boulevard in miami boom you know collapsing the back of the car giving everybody

00:14:39.440 whiplash headaches and trauma and drama and unfortunately i've been in probably five serious

00:14:44.760 car accidents where i wasn't driving and that's the worst thing that's happened to me but big cats

00:14:50.440 we virtually had nothing happen i got all my fingers i got i still got everything in place

00:14:56.120 um we're very careful with what we do and we've had the great opportunity to know a couple hundred

00:15:02.760 tigers over the last 40 years and out of those we found dozens who love to do the work they want to go

00:15:09.400 out with us they want to swim they want to go in the forest they love the new sights and sounds and

00:15:14.200 smells those big cats are incredibly connected to us the ones who don't like it then those don't have

00:15:21.800 to be out with us and maybe they move on and live at some beautiful zoo somewhere or do something else if

00:15:27.400 they think that uh people aren't their best buddies now let me ask you for me i'm big on asking uh birthdays

00:15:34.920 like if i'm interviewing somebody you can't ask in job interviews but i'm always curious to know what

00:15:38.920 your birthday is you know when you're born when you're doing this how much how much do you see

00:15:43.400 a trend with people who like certain type of animals and how their personality is dog people cat

00:15:49.880 people tiger people chimpanzee or people who don't like animals or like birds have you seen a trend with

00:15:56.440 that your substance you're in that world or not at all you mean like like they're a leo or a

00:16:01.480 sagittarius no no no what i mean was like a you know dog people you trust tiger people you got to

00:16:07.800 be careful with you know cat people you got to be careful with tiger people are independent like

00:16:11.800 have you noticed a trend there with people or not at all sure every guy i know that has a real

00:16:20.600 full-time work one-on-one with tigers which i mean i've only known a dozen in my life there can't be

00:16:26.120 but a few dozen in the world everybody i know like that is pretty much very centered on their own life

00:16:33.080 not very social they don't go out they don't go do stuff they rarely drink they just are not a guy

00:16:40.040 that is out doing stuff they live a very centered personal life all the guys i know that do that

00:16:46.760 are girl crazy now i don't count joe exotic that guy's not a tiger guy that guy's scared of tigers

00:16:54.920 he doesn't have great big tigers that love him he doesn't have a relationship with numerous big cats

00:17:00.200 and other wildlife he doesn't have wildlife that respect him and that he enriching their lives is his

00:17:06.280 high value activity for us we have those big guys out running a high-speed lure going 40 miles an

00:17:12.680 hour across a whole track we've built for them that's a regular occurrence that out the open for

00:17:18.600 our tours at the middle beach safari and also just for enriching activity we have several huge pools and

00:17:24.920 ponds and we swim every few days we've got big tigers in the pool little cubs learning to swim and we do

00:17:32.200 that activity with them joe is in another world joe is about joe joe is looking for the world's greatest

00:17:39.000 party you know he was he was trying to find it in the midst of that he od'd on drugs a few times

00:17:44.760 he made and spent millions joe had a lot of money when he started you know the joe i met 15 years ago

00:17:50.920 he had brand new everything bought anything he wanted he had some old oil money from texas that

00:17:56.520 was his family money and uh he blew through a lot of it and in the end uh the snitch jeff lowe and

00:18:03.240 probably the other guys that were there involved um they kind of bled that last money off of him and

00:18:08.760 he went broke had a public defender for a murder for hire for charge which i think uh helped get

00:18:14.040 him a 22-year sentence but you know jeff uh lowe and james garretson they kind of bled out the last

00:18:20.360 of that i think from joe's uh last stand there in oklahoma before he ran off to florida now have you

00:18:27.480 joe and carol ever been the same place together no we never have i've never met carol carol's

00:18:33.160 been attacking me viciously for decades this lady has just had a thorn uh that she's just been stabbed

00:18:40.600 with and has my name on it i guess she's always been after me even though our place is literally

00:18:46.440 a hundred times nicer than hers bigger more beautiful incredible setup such great healthy

00:18:52.680 beautiful animals carol's really had a very hard time uh showing anybody anything but a derelict

00:18:58.360 run-down junkyard of a place i mean places across america i've seen i've seen hundreds of them

00:19:04.040 versus the worst one in the country wow you know there's no place as back woodsy funky as that joe

00:19:10.920 had way too many animals and way too tight of a space he had some nice habitats and a few things set

00:19:16.040 up but mostly he had a dog pound where it was habitat after habitat after habitat too small

00:19:21.080 and the animals are boxed up you know so i've never really got to deal with carol at all except in

00:19:27.160 uh sending her notifications from attorneys to take down uh images and letters and ideas that she's put

00:19:33.320 up a few times and joe i met a few different times um through the zoo industry him he was trying to

00:19:40.440 improve his facility he was contacting people that i was helping out about how to have better food how to

00:19:46.360 have better habitat how to build things better um for the big cats he talked about that and then

00:19:52.920 five six years ago he came to myrtle beach and he actually because myrtle beach is a tourist town with

00:19:57.800 20 million visitors and there was a big circus show in town joe supplied some tigers for that circus magic

00:20:04.360 show and uh they had trouble where they were keeping them what was happening people were complaining so we

00:20:10.520 went down and looked at all of it said hey what's it like how's this all going and then we can help you

00:20:15.480 with bigger space maybe get your animals outside do something else for you then the show closed down

00:20:20.760 but in the interim i had to deal with him a few times went to dinner with him one time just to talk

00:20:25.320 about it next door to the the big theater that was here in town and uh i had you know that was my

00:20:31.480 biggest joe experience during that time his staff were all around and they came through our attraction

00:20:36.600 the myrtle beach safari and they saw the attraction and took tours and he was like that's what i want

00:20:41.560 i need to build a place just like that from that reference a lot of people think that we're uh

00:20:47.000 friends somehow and he says i'm his mentor which i think i'm mentor to people all over the world

00:20:52.680 who want to build world-class facility because ours is just of that scale and we've had the time and

00:20:59.320 opportunity to put tens of millions of dollars into a single place which makes it have a lot of flash

00:21:06.040 and a lot of incredible habitat yeah doc if you're if you're the best in your world who's the second

00:21:12.440 best in your world there's single habitats that are really well set up at several zoos you know that

00:21:20.520 i've seen got it the stuff they do at bush gardens in tampa is a beautiful setup i think there's been

00:21:28.280 several places that have built great setups but nobody else does what we do the other place i see

00:21:33.640 personally that looks beautiful over and over don't say the name right is latif bakun's place

00:21:39.880 who is the president king whatever it is of um united arab emirates he has an incredible facility

00:21:48.120 there it looks like you know he's dropped 100 million on it i mean it's it's exquisite and the

00:21:53.560 animals look incredibly well cared for i have mutual friends who work there and and live there and i think

00:22:00.040 that that place is run world class but when when you were building your business what was your uh

00:22:06.440 you know like a business model you were saying i'm going to be good in this area this is where i'm going

00:22:10.360 to win i'm going to focus on this area what was your vision with the company and the business you

00:22:14.760 were building what was going to be your number one focus in the beginning in the early 80s you know i

00:22:19.640 started out um really just doing uh just having that first couple of tigers i was working for exxon oil

00:22:27.880 who's a big oil company who used to have a tiger as their mascot put a tiger in your tank they were

00:22:33.640 my biggest patron and i helped them work on their tiger conservation program i started running a more

00:22:39.480 of a tiger conservation program with them the uh exxon valdez crash the big old uh oil tanker that

00:22:47.480 they had gotten so much trouble for they were environmentally the bad guys they quit the tiger business

00:22:53.160 i took on everything that they were doing and ran it myself from there right at that same time of

00:22:58.440 being the exxon tiger guy hollywood contacted me at length and asked me to come work for them and

00:23:05.720 i went and did a 500 movie and television jobs great big fortune 500 ads and i produced that stuff

00:23:13.160 like i'd say ace ventura jungle book dr gulittle mighty so young and some great big flops like the gardens

00:23:19.880 of stone francis ford coppola worked on it for a year incredible big film no one ever hardly saw it

00:23:26.920 but i learned a ton by watching how that movie was made i did the same thing with dino de la rintas

00:23:33.000 with a movie called date with an angel just being on the set and watching how they produced and light

00:23:38.040 it and do it i got a real good feel for presentation of wildlife in a unique way from there things like

00:23:45.720 making eddie murphy into dr dolittle and jim carrey into the pet detective i said i could do that for

00:23:51.640 everyone i could create a vibe at my place where you get to feel like you're dr dolittle you get up

00:23:59.240 close and personal with these animals in an incredible perfect setting beautiful jungle habitat

00:24:05.240 nothing that looks like a set of cages everything natural and organic not like a zoo which is designed

00:24:11.160 to have hundreds of thousands of people come we're having 10 000 people come in an entire year

00:24:16.280 super limited premium experience and that model was for me to make what you saw here look like the

00:24:23.480 perfect set of a movie where you would feel like if you were there you had landed in shangri-la people i

00:24:30.760 want them to pull up and say god i wish i lived here and that's not what you do when you go to the zoo you

00:24:36.520 might say i'd love to have those animals but you don't say this is where i wish i live when people come

00:24:40.840 here they're like this is the coolest pool the greatest fire pit the most incredible buildings

00:24:47.720 the coolest place to hang out and just chill is just right here the great food the vibe whole five

00:24:55.400 star experience that is what i was pushing towards i also stole some of that from going to five star

00:25:01.480 resorts going to the malamala preserve in africa which is this the greatest most pristine police of

00:25:07.080 uh property in africa the presentation of how well they treat you how they're always there with a drink

00:25:13.320 with a a cooler hot towel to wipe your hands off with or cool your neck and i took a lot of those ideas

00:25:20.360 and applied those to the experience at the preserve being this five star squizid experience where you're

00:25:28.040 just in the jungle you always wish you could have visited so only ten thousand per year that's about all we

00:25:35.400 can handle yeah a regular tour is maybe 35 to 55 people you know right now with the covet just edging

00:25:43.320 off the governor just gave us permission to open back up some of these are going to have 10 people

00:25:48.680 those 10 people are going to get a heck of an exclusive you know more people should uh take

00:25:53.320 advantage of this one moment probably by summer with tiger king fever uh you know every tour will be full

00:25:59.560 so are your ticket prices still 600 are you going to raise them my ticket is very much like an airline

00:26:05.720 ticket of it's 339 to come in and it's dynamically priced as the tour comes fuller the price escalates

00:26:14.280 so that the tour doesn't get too full and so that each day is able to have a set amount of people

00:26:21.400 where it's still profitable but not where we're just gonna have 200 people come on a tour we're always

00:26:26.920 gonna stop before we hit capacity so what's high low if lowest is 339 what's the most i'll pay for a

00:26:33.000 ticket 639 okay got it and you could buy a photo package and other stuff it can it can get quite

00:26:40.200 expensive but it's nothing like taking a trip to africa you know i take people every year to africa

00:26:46.440 that's 12 000 a person to go to africa it's nothing like a nice vacay to thailand where you might see

00:26:52.360 some tigers and elephants but not in the luxury you do here and you're not going to get in and out

00:26:56.920 of thailand for five grand even if you're on a budget and that's a third world country where uh

00:27:01.240 things are cheap so it's a bargain if you're just coming with your family of four and you can probably

00:27:07.080 get in and out for a couple grand and you'll have an experience like no one else in the world

00:27:11.960 tons of celebrities have come and done it and uh tons of people that are just real avid wildlife

00:27:18.920 um enthusiasts that want the most out of their experience who are some of the who are some of

00:27:23.480 the people that have come to your park sheesh i mean you get you can see some of the beautiful

00:27:28.680 shots i have beyonce kissing my chimps you know and i have uh oh adama kasu the great big linebacker

00:27:35.800 was down came swimming and played with bubbles the elephant uh man i'm bad with names um any presidents

00:27:42.440 any politicians i saw jimmy carter one time he came and saw me i saw um president bush one time

00:27:50.040 saw us as well but i went and saw them at events god i didn't do it um you know i've had kings and

00:27:55.720 queens from around the world meet me at events because i go and do wildlife fundraising events

00:28:00.920 and i show up with elephants or pimps or tigers and i have people interact and meet them and therefore

00:28:07.640 open up their hearts and minds to wildlife and their wallet and get them to donate to international

00:28:13.320 wildlife conservation like what we run the rare speciesfund.org or big international groups that we

00:28:20.840 team up with to try and get new policies passed new laws put into place to protect wildlife around the

00:28:27.080 world i like the whole twelve thousand dollars for one person to go with you to africa right so it's

00:28:33.240 twelve thousand so and how many people do you go with when you do that our trips to africa max i think

00:28:38.920 is about 35 the most we ever took usually it's about 15 to 20 people go with us every fall we take

00:28:45.000 a trip there it is a life-changing slice of africa because 99 of africa is overloaded and overpriced and

00:28:52.600 you don't get to see the good stuff but the right piece of africa it's like you are shaking the hand of

00:28:58.680 god you're connected to a wildlife pristine environment that seems like this could be eaten

00:29:04.680 it is so unique but even in africa it's 99 gone the wildlife of africa is on the brink wildlife

00:29:11.880 across asia and africa both are having incredible trouble and wildlife conservation is in dire need

00:29:18.920 over there and right now with the corona out no tourism has happened there are so many wildlife

00:29:24.520 facilities that are in uh dire straits animals are even starving to death and dying because

00:29:29.640 no one's come by to hand over that dollar for an experience that's western money that makes the east

00:29:34.840 front so you're seeing you're seeing the effects of coronavirus also hurting animals not just

00:29:39.320 businesses so animals are taking a hit as well i think thousands of animals are dying poaching is

00:29:44.680 through the roof you know the poachers are out there taking advantage of everybody being hidden out

00:29:49.480 and poaching is rampant across africa and asia i mean it is big big business how are you being

00:29:55.480 affected by the pandemic i mean easter is an incredible time in myrtle beach often the town

00:30:01.320 of myrtle beach which has 150 000 hotel rooms is no rooms available in the entire town who can get a

00:30:07.240 million people here over the easter season and we have no one here it just dried up and we have to

00:30:13.080 stay at home order all businesses closed mandatory so you're just uh sitting here staring at an

00:30:19.000 incredible facility that's just devoid of people and devoid of that income so it's been super costly

00:30:26.440 and it's painful we hope it'll turn around we're talking about opening the beaches in the next days

00:30:32.520 or for sure in the next couple weeks we're we're waiting for the governor to make new ideas so so

00:30:38.200 how are you keeping your team sane how do you keep them calm during these times how are you talking

00:30:43.080 to them what are you telling them fortunately we live on a 50 acre preserve where there's just beautiful

00:30:48.680 open space and we're just we're still swimming we still all had family cookout time and easter and

00:30:54.280 we live along this big beautiful river we still let the elephant go down there and swim and play

00:30:59.000 the big thing that changes is the boats fly by on the big river it's a 500 foot wide river they scream

00:31:05.160 out carol killed her husband over and over tiger king but a whole lot of carol did it i mean that's the

00:31:12.280 mantra of the season so so how certain are you she killed her husband i don't have a video but i've

00:31:23.800 seen the stuff that's poured out from the show and i've been on this story for the last 15 plus years

00:31:31.080 it sure seems like carol did it whether she covered him in sardine oil or not that might be a question

00:31:37.960 but that she did do it seems like fruit from watching all this information roll in now would

00:31:43.800 that be an effective way of doing it would that would that actually work if she did do that with

00:31:47.960 sardine oil or cod liver whatever it is i've never tried it i meant to do it i need to do an experiment

00:31:55.000 for social media i need to you know maybe put one shoe with sardine oil on it and one with the

00:31:59.560 chanel number five it would get tons of millions of views i need to do it does sardine oil work i've got

00:32:05.560 to get that going right now so since since you're uh you know you're good with women lincoln once

00:32:13.400 said you know the best thing to do uh with an enemy is turn him into a friend have you ever tried to uh

00:32:19.640 make carol a friend the first couple times that she attacked me i was running my program in miami

00:32:26.360 i've had a show that ran down there for 15 years and she attacked that show because i was a guest closer

00:32:31.480 to her backyard she wasn't as popular as she has been lately well free tiger king different kind

00:32:37.560 of popularity now and she just wrote this outrageous slanderous article into the miami

00:32:42.600 herald and i wrote her back and said i'm sorry you are deeply confused she was just talking about

00:32:48.120 the poor quality of air and facility and place and like there's nowhere like us there's no vets that

00:32:54.600 like our vets there's no facility like our place you've made a mistake she wouldn't even respond

00:33:00.120 she just wants to have that one track mind of i am the mother theresa of all cats and everybody but

00:33:07.080 me is doing it wrong especially if you make contact she's just of that vibe like so many it's too

00:33:14.040 dangerous to do this it cannot be done safely i'm 40 years of doing it entirely day in and day out

00:33:21.960 i've had more than one million guests make contact with big adult tigers because my adult tigers met

00:33:27.800 guests until 2005 after the siegfried roy meltdown that took place i always let my big adult tigers

00:33:34.520 meet guests and i have tigers wandering through crowds for so many feature films and on so many movie

00:33:40.200 sets and she says that can't be done well of course it can it's a joke i've done it for my entire life

00:33:46.920 and carol just wants it to be something else um it's a matter of teamwork and skill and understanding

00:33:54.120 the rules and the language of the wildlife you're exposed to the real experts that i know have had

00:34:00.520 no accidents there are people that do but every time something comes up it's there's a secondary

00:34:07.560 problem there's substance abuse there's somebody uh too far too tired they brought a person in that

00:34:13.640 they knew shouldn't be there and that person um got hurt no one's ever been killed by a random tiger

00:34:21.560 except at the san francisco zoo where the guys on christmas day some time ago maybe a decade ago

00:34:28.680 were playing around on christmas day they had a bb gun they were smoking dope they were kicking and

00:34:34.040 hanging out and somehow at the very end of the day a tiger climbed out and ripped up three of them and

00:34:40.040 killed one of them and that's the only place and so that tiger was in a habitat in a place doors closed

00:34:46.520 of what's supposed to be a world-class zoo um so tigers are incredibly reliable if you know the

00:34:52.840 rules just like driving right i got friends and family members have died driving everybody knows

00:34:58.600 somebody's been in a terrible car accident if you go to the store today and you decide to drive there

00:35:03.880 backwards you probably have an accident if you pay attention to all the rules it's less tigers are the

00:35:09.560 same thing the rules are just more complicated but you can follow along and accidents with tigers

00:35:15.960 need not happen well why do you think power many powerful men have this desire to own a white tiger

00:35:22.200 you know what what what is it what what do you think it is is it a control thing is it a they relate is

00:35:27.320 it i feel like i'm also you know somebody that's of power what do you think it is with this infatuation

00:35:32.840 of big tigers i think you get two things a tiger is ultimate sexy beast you look at him and he is

00:35:40.600 magnificent to touch him he feels magic his his hair is always perfectly clean he feels amazingly

00:35:48.920 strong and beautiful even as a cub he's super cool and he maintains that throughout his life but just

00:35:54.840 gets bigger and bolder i think that people love that and are attracted to them but i also think what

00:36:00.760 takes place is people who have already had a lot and done a lot like mike tyson he's already king of

00:36:07.000 the world so much is going on he says i've got this you know indulgent lifestyle that i'm spending

00:36:12.280 millions of dollars a year i'm living in a house that's tens of millions of dollars what accoutrement

00:36:17.240 would be the next super cool thing i think tiger comes to mind for a certain kind of quality of life

00:36:26.040 a certain class of guy says i'd like to have a tiger live here it would be super cool the problem

00:36:31.480 is nobody goes about understanding the rules first so they can't develop a relationship with that tiger

00:36:38.200 they also don't understand the incredible amount of time but they don't devote themselves to the tiger

00:36:43.560 enough but the tiger's a year old it's 250 300 pounds and it's biting and it's and it's jumping and even

00:36:49.880 if you're mike tyson it's too much no one's ready to really fight an eight foot tall 600 pound guy

00:36:57.320 that's got 10 knives like wolverine implanted in his hands he's too much he's got to really love what

00:37:03.880 you're doing with him or you're going down doesn't matter who you are so so big part of it is attention

00:37:09.320 because i know you said early when i asked you about people that own tigers you said you know dozens

00:37:13.880 of them and most of their personalities are they're very to themselves you know they put the time into the

00:37:19.080 can't into the tigers and all of that so for private ownership uh what are the laws right

00:37:24.360 now with private ownership to own a tiger can somebody own a tiger today in us or no

00:37:28.520 only in a few states i mean in south carolina where i am it's illegal in most of the states

00:37:33.320 certainly all of new england it's been illegal for a long time there's a few places alabama

00:37:38.840 maybe nevada um i think there's four or five states that are the only ones left where you can

00:37:44.120 privately keep a tiger if you have tons of money michael jackson had private tigers and private

00:37:49.480 chimps in california of all crazy places because he has unlimited access to funds if you have unlimited

00:37:55.480 access to funds you build a zoo you put it wherever you want you put in zoo staff you bring in zoo

00:38:00.200 veterinarians you bring in animal trainers and it can be whatever you want if you want to blow millions

00:38:05.640 of dollars a year at it mike tyson did something similar but he got a little shafted and hired people

00:38:10.920 that hoodwinked him and bought got the wrong stuff and the wrong people in the wrong way

00:38:15.560 what's next for you i mean i know obviously you run your business here are you working

00:38:18.680 on any major projects any major things that's coming up obviously outside of the pandemic that

00:38:22.520 was taking place the preserve here is always growing you know we just finished an incredible

00:38:27.160 great ape house we have 12 great apes orangutans and chimps and gibbons that all live up there

00:38:32.680 that's our our in-house project you know what's got to be done right now is there's got to be

00:38:37.080 tiger king too it needs to be tiger king too the truth and i think that there's room for that i

00:38:43.240 think we're i have a lot of people approaching us on how to put it together i think that there's some

00:38:48.520 good pieces in there that'll happen i think the myrtle beach safari youtube channel may have information

00:38:54.120 coming up about it soon um we're hoping that something else can be done because there's a lot

00:38:59.080 of unanswered questions a lot of stuff there i don't know if we're going to get any new footage of joe

00:39:03.160 joe but uh you never know have you a lot of our guys talk about how close carol baskin looks to

00:39:11.400 hillary clinton have you seen that as well or no that that picture going around with the two of them

00:39:15.800 oh yeah you get that right stare and that right kind of like i'm coming for you look um they're both

00:39:21.960 pretty spooky girls i mean the two of those women are are highly intense and seem like uh if you do

00:39:29.080 something wrong um you might wind up covered in sardine oil imagine if they ran a company together

00:39:34.440 what it would look like nobody would want to mess with them that'd be too much that'd be too much so

00:39:40.360 maybe if because i heard somebody opened the case and they're now investigating here again i don't

00:39:45.000 know if there's any truth behind that or not is it i've heard the case is open i think that uh

00:39:50.200 you can see a lot of the information on um bcrwatch.com that's like a watchdog site for carol

00:39:57.240 baskin and all things big pet rescue and i believe that the sheriff has opened the case back up i

00:40:02.200 think there's new reward money out there i think that a woman came forward and said i was married

00:40:06.840 to the hitman and put an affidavit out who knows how it all goes i think uh her for her to go to

00:40:13.880 prison for murder without a body 25 years later probably pretty complicated not normally happens

00:40:20.760 in the united states i don't know that that goes on if that happens i think there's definitely going

00:40:25.640 to be a need for tiger king too if that happens because people will not i mean they can't wait

00:40:31.240 for that all of a sudden for a couple months the most hated person in the world became carol baskin

00:40:37.160 i don't know how that happens but it is what it is so let's do a quick speed round doc i'm going to

00:40:42.040 give you a couple names tell me the first word that comes to your mind all right rick kirkham

00:40:49.400 entertainment tonight i'm not sure if that was what it was but he seems that dude michael murdoch

00:40:54.120 don't know okay alan glover belongs in that bathtub he just he should have stayed there

00:41:03.400 jeff lo snitch snitches need stitches joe exotic a lost lonely guy with a silver spoon that just went

00:41:15.320 way too far with with the help of those same snitches how about howard baskin

00:41:20.280 he's kind of like uh a pair of sandals with socks on it just doesn't quite look or fit right

00:41:30.120 last one carol baskin oh my god i mean just just satan's ilk for big cats i mean just been the

00:41:38.200 worst thing in the world for them destroying the species destroying people's understanding of them

00:41:43.000 just uh big cat satan big cat satan carol baskin well if if anything formulates and builds up i'm

00:41:51.000 sure the i'm sure i know for a fact 75 78 million people can't wait for part two if something happens

00:41:58.120 with her and i'm i'm uh hoping this investigation goes a little deeper i'm sure there's a lot of

00:42:02.520 other people want to see what happens with the end of this story but like you said 25 years doc and uh

00:42:07.640 his uh tiger sanctuary the ritz carlton of tiger sanctuaries in myrtle beach uh south carolina

00:42:13.720 having said that doc thank you so much for making the time for uh being a guest on valutainment

00:42:17.480 thank you come on out you bring those kids bring your wife come see this experience it's life

00:42:21.960 changing come try it i look forward to it i look forward to it thanks everybody for listening and

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Valuetainment - July 02, 2020

Episode 483： Doc Antle Reveals Mysteries Of Carole Baskin & Tiger King

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