Valuetainment - Episode 489： China’s Unrestricted Warfare Could Lead to Collapse in One Year

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00:00:01.860 Did you ever think you would make it?

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00:00:22.480 I'm Patrick Bedeby, host of Valuetainment.

00:00:24.060 Today we're going to talk about China's unrestricted warfare

00:00:26.660 that could lead to a collapse in one year.

00:00:28.940 That is the prediction made from Joshua Phillip from Epoch Times.

00:00:33.760 Joshua, thanks for being a guest on Valuetainment.

00:00:35.680 It's a real pleasure.

00:00:36.560 Some great stuff to talk about.

00:00:38.000 I'm looking forward to it.

00:00:39.160 So let me ask you, what caused you to want to,

00:00:41.280 there's so many different things to investigate.

00:00:43.200 Why China?

00:00:44.360 Well, so my investigations on China started way back in 20,

00:00:48.920 or sorry, 2008.

00:00:50.400 And it was actually unintentional, to be honest.

00:00:53.220 I had stumbled across some pretty strange occurrences.

00:00:56.540 There were acts of, you know, physical attacks taking place

00:00:59.400 in one of the big Chinese communities.

00:01:01.500 And over the course of a few years,

00:01:03.180 I uncovered what was, what's now called and very well known

00:01:06.780 as the United Front Work Department.

00:01:09.040 Basically how the Chinese regime extends its suppression

00:01:12.260 and arms into foreign communities,

00:01:14.360 working with things like TONGs,

00:01:16.200 these fraternal organizations that basically run Chinatown,

00:01:19.320 you know, organized crime, you name it.

00:01:21.620 Got it.

00:01:22.080 So that's kind of what prompted you.

00:01:24.040 So as you got in, at what point did you say,

00:01:26.180 I'm going to go much deeper than I am right now?

00:01:28.940 Well, it was a step-by-step thing.

00:01:30.980 So when I first got into this beat,

00:01:33.960 I mean, it was stuff I'd never heard of.

00:01:36.320 You know, people were telling me,

00:01:37.640 oh, you know, that guy's a spy, this guy's a spy,

00:01:40.160 you know, and I'm in Chinatown.

00:01:42.120 I'm seeing people physically attacking people.

00:01:44.660 I'm seeing these large groups come out with signs

00:01:47.060 and people are getting death threats.

00:01:49.140 People are coming up to me and they're telling,

00:01:50.620 you know, Chinese people, they're telling me,

00:01:52.120 oh, they told me they can, you know, threaten my family.

00:01:54.520 They told me they can make me disappear.

00:01:57.060 And, you know, I mean, it's bizarre.

00:01:59.260 I had never encountered anything like this.

00:02:01.720 I had no idea how to understand it.

00:02:04.180 And so for me, the investigation was more,

00:02:06.580 I had a lot of questions

00:02:07.820 and I wanted to figure out what was going on

00:02:10.160 and try to get to the bottom of it.

00:02:12.360 Over the course of time, of course,

00:02:14.340 after I uncovered the initial pieces of it,

00:02:16.520 yes, that these individuals were, of course,

00:02:18.560 being rallied up by the Chinese consulate,

00:02:21.840 the Chinese consulate general at the time, Peng Kiyu.

00:02:25.220 We actually had some stories showing

00:02:26.760 that he was meeting with the individuals,

00:02:28.760 encouraging them and so on.

00:02:30.360 Found out over time that, you know,

00:02:31.780 this is a bigger picture than what I thought initially.

00:02:33.720 And over time, I uncovered what's now pretty well known,

00:02:36.340 which is the Chinese regime's whole system

00:02:38.320 of unconventional warfare,

00:02:40.980 culture warfare, business warfare, cyber warfare,

00:02:43.980 you name it.

00:02:45.380 That's been their main,

00:02:46.480 so that's what you've come to conclusion with.

00:02:48.220 Now, how often have you been to China yourself?

00:02:51.080 Never.

00:02:51.760 I am proudly blacklisted,

00:02:53.920 as is Epoch Times overall.

00:02:56.040 We do have offices in Hong Kong and Taiwan, though,

00:02:59.260 but mainland China,

00:03:00.200 we've been blacklisted almost from the get-go.

00:03:03.260 When you say blacklisted,

00:03:04.820 what does blacklisted mean?

00:03:06.720 Because people have told me,

00:03:07.940 hey, some of the stuff you talk about

00:03:09.720 could potentially get you blacklisted.

00:03:11.240 What is blacklisted?

00:03:13.600 Well, blacklisted for some media means,

00:03:16.420 of course, you have no visa.

00:03:17.880 They don't tell you why you can't go there.

00:03:19.940 You're never allowed to go, you know,

00:03:21.460 do research there or reporting there.

00:03:23.840 For us, blacklisted started, I think, in 2000,

00:03:27.320 soon after we launched Epoch Times.

00:03:30.120 Chinese officials or Chinese police

00:03:31.980 knocked on the door of, you know,

00:03:33.440 some of our Chinese staff who were in China,

00:03:35.820 arrested the entire office.

00:03:37.480 Our editor spent 10 years in prison

00:03:39.060 and they tortured him.

00:03:40.080 One of your editors from Epoch Times

00:03:42.920 spent 10 years in prison and tortured him.

00:03:44.980 Yep.

00:03:45.600 And was he freed?

00:03:47.640 He was several years ago.

00:03:49.900 He was freed, yes.

00:03:51.180 And what stories did he share with you

00:03:52.900 that when he was there for 10 years,

00:03:54.380 what did they do to him?

00:03:55.900 So when he first got out,

00:03:57.340 he did talk with me.

00:03:58.800 I don't know the details about the torture.

00:04:00.720 Jeez, this was probably five years ago

00:04:02.680 now I interviewed him.

00:04:03.840 I can't remember.

00:04:04.580 There were some public reports about his case.

00:04:07.560 Of course, some of these, you know,

00:04:09.400 journalist rights organizations

00:04:11.800 did have some things on him.

00:04:13.920 But, you know, his spirit wasn't crushed.

00:04:16.680 He's still very much about

00:04:18.100 getting the truth out in China.

00:04:19.680 Somehow he hasn't been arrested again,

00:04:21.360 so that's good to know.

00:04:23.300 Where is he at now?

00:04:24.180 Is he in the States or is he in Hong Kong or Taiwan?

00:04:26.660 Last I've heard, he's still in the mainland.

00:04:29.040 He's still in the mainland?

00:04:29.880 But he's not involved with Epoch Times anymore

00:04:32.140 after he got out, of course,

00:04:33.840 because, you know,

00:04:34.440 they have him under surveillance.

00:04:36.600 Oh, got it.

00:04:37.120 So he cannot be doing what he's doing with you guys

00:04:39.060 because he's under surveillance.

00:04:40.400 It wouldn't last very long, yeah, if he did.

00:04:43.040 So from the moment you did the documentary,

00:04:45.480 which went viral

00:04:46.720 and it was shared by everybody around the world,

00:04:49.540 I'm sure a lot of people contacted you.

00:04:52.080 A lot of different people telling,

00:04:53.280 sending their own stories.

00:04:54.300 Here's what I know.

00:04:55.040 Here's what I know.

00:04:55.660 So what's changed from the stories in the documentary,

00:04:59.940 which, by the way,

00:05:00.500 you had General Spaulding there,

00:05:01.640 you had Gordon Chang,

00:05:02.500 you had Dr. Judy Mikevitz there,

00:05:05.000 which is how I saw and found out about Dr. Judy

00:05:07.340 was through your document.

00:05:08.420 I believe you were one of the first ones

00:05:09.700 in the last, you know,

00:05:11.040 during this era of the China coronavirus

00:05:14.360 that we heard about Dr. Judy

00:05:16.060 where other people have been now interviewing her.

00:05:18.200 What's changed from seeing the documentary

00:05:21.500 from China to today?

00:05:23.180 Well, since the documentary was released,

00:05:27.440 there have actually been a lot of reports

00:05:28.580 corroborating what we've said.

00:05:31.320 You know, there are, of course,

00:05:32.140 now investigations going into it,

00:05:34.380 specifically on individuals

00:05:35.620 that we directly point to,

00:05:37.220 such as this Dr. Shi Zhengli,

00:05:39.020 this bat woman of China,

00:05:40.660 as being one of the possible central figures

00:05:42.700 in this entire thing.

00:05:44.360 The U.S. is launching multiple investigations.

00:05:46.940 I just reported, for example,

00:05:48.740 they cut funding to an NIH program

00:05:51.540 that was going to China.

00:05:53.220 Dr. Shi Zhengli is actually named

00:05:57.000 in some of the reports on that.

00:05:59.140 There was a Pentagon program

00:06:00.880 that was also, you know,

00:06:02.620 it's being investigated right now,

00:06:03.940 sending money to China.

00:06:05.480 Other ones, many of them

00:06:06.880 are mentioning Dr. Shi Zhengli.

00:06:08.480 There's investigations into

00:06:09.660 some of the U.S. universities,

00:06:11.700 such as in Texas,

00:06:13.220 and also, again,

00:06:14.600 naming directly Dr. Shi Zhengli

00:06:16.260 and this Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:06:19.160 And so it does appear

00:06:20.360 that we, at the very least,

00:06:22.000 contributed some evidence

00:06:23.260 that may be helping

00:06:24.700 some of these investigations.

00:06:25.820 We'll have to see.

00:06:27.140 And, of course,

00:06:27.740 a lot of media came out

00:06:28.740 after we published the video

00:06:30.240 doing interviews such as,

00:06:32.400 for example,

00:06:32.940 Washington Post

00:06:33.700 had an article

00:06:34.900 noting that in 2018

00:06:36.540 there were State Department cables

00:06:38.360 warning of security problems

00:06:39.760 at that laboratory.

00:06:41.200 More articles like that have come out.

00:06:42.760 There have been some other ones,

00:06:43.680 exclusives in other media,

00:06:45.420 really just corroborating

00:06:46.480 what we said as well.

00:06:48.200 So what is your biggest concern?

00:06:50.140 What's your biggest concern

00:06:50.980 with China today?

00:06:52.880 You're so deep into it.

00:06:54.180 What's your biggest concern?

00:06:55.820 So when it comes to the way

00:06:57.440 I view the Chinese regime,

00:06:58.840 it's maybe a bit different

00:06:59.620 from how a lot of people view it.

00:07:01.100 The Chinese regime

00:07:01.780 regards the United States

00:07:02.860 as its number one enemy.

00:07:04.420 The very existence of a country

00:07:07.180 that, you know,

00:07:07.940 is based on the ideas of,

00:07:09.900 say, individual rights,

00:07:11.480 does defend internationally

00:07:13.640 to some extent human rights,

00:07:15.880 does believe in this idea

00:07:17.240 that if given basic freedoms,

00:07:19.040 people can create

00:07:19.760 a prosperous society.

00:07:21.220 These things are antithetical

00:07:23.200 to the narratives

00:07:24.520 and the practices

00:07:25.640 of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:07:27.500 It tells people

00:07:28.500 that they are not capable

00:07:29.700 of creating a harmonious

00:07:31.140 and functioning society

00:07:32.300 if people are given freedom

00:07:33.840 like we have here.

00:07:35.300 And so challenging that,

00:07:36.640 attacking the United States,

00:07:37.860 undermining this perception

00:07:39.100 is a huge part

00:07:40.440 of what the Chinese regime

00:07:41.320 is doing.

00:07:42.460 And when it comes

00:07:43.180 to their systems of warfare,

00:07:45.060 of course,

00:07:45.460 when we think war normally,

00:07:46.780 we think tanks, guns, soldiers,

00:07:49.520 you know, jets, missiles,

00:07:50.600 these kinds of things.

00:07:51.800 When you're dealing

00:07:52.380 with the Chinese Communist Party,

00:07:53.620 they're talking about culture.

00:07:55.160 They're talking about drugs.

00:07:56.700 They're talking about

00:07:57.520 business warfare, cyber.

00:07:59.400 They're talking about

00:08:00.220 the basic perceptions,

00:08:01.840 things like they have

00:08:02.520 the three warfares doctrine,

00:08:04.200 psychological warfare,

00:08:05.440 media warfare,

00:08:06.140 and legal warfare.

00:08:06.900 How do you alter

00:08:08.240 international perceptions

00:08:09.400 of issues?

00:08:10.040 How do you manipulate

00:08:10.840 the, say, basic perceptions

00:08:12.920 of a country

00:08:13.620 in order to support

00:08:15.000 or oppose

00:08:15.880 what they want you

00:08:16.540 to support or oppose?

00:08:17.820 So you said psychological warfare,

00:08:19.740 media warfare,

00:08:20.420 what was the third one?

00:08:21.560 Legal warfare.

00:08:22.400 So yeah,

00:08:22.720 the three warfares doctrine,

00:08:24.080 that would be part

00:08:24.680 of the three warfares doctrine.

00:08:25.880 Can you explain each one of them?

00:08:27.180 Go through each one of them

00:08:28.060 on how they do it.

00:08:28.640 Yeah, sure.

00:08:29.780 So I'll use

00:08:30.980 the South China Sea

00:08:31.740 as an example

00:08:32.320 because this is

00:08:33.100 a very clear example

00:08:34.280 of that playing out.

00:08:35.360 The three warfares doctrine

00:08:36.480 is actually adopted

00:08:37.500 into the Chinese military's strategy.

00:08:40.420 It is an officially adopted

00:08:41.980 military strategy.

00:08:43.980 And it's based on three points.

00:08:45.720 It's based essentially

00:08:46.900 around manipulating

00:08:48.220 the psychological

00:08:49.120 and legal standpoints

00:08:51.540 in order to obtain objectives.

00:08:53.760 I mean,

00:08:53.960 this sounds complicated,

00:08:54.920 but let me explain it.

00:08:56.320 Now, on the surface,

00:08:57.680 psychological warfare

00:08:58.700 is not necessarily propaganda.

00:08:59.820 It's not necessarily misleading you.

00:09:02.740 Psychological warfare

00:09:03.660 is altering

00:09:04.420 the conclusions

00:09:05.480 you come to

00:09:06.620 when observing information.

00:09:09.140 It is changing

00:09:09.980 the way you perceive something.

00:09:12.780 Media warfare

00:09:13.380 is a manipulation

00:09:14.100 and control

00:09:14.860 of, say,

00:09:15.640 news outlets,

00:09:16.640 social media,

00:09:17.420 any outlet of information.

00:09:19.200 Legal warfare

00:09:19.820 is the manipulation

00:09:20.520 of legal systems.

00:09:21.680 They call it lawfare sometimes.

00:09:24.020 But let's look at this

00:09:24.800 in practice, okay?

00:09:26.280 So when we look

00:09:27.140 at the South China Sea,

00:09:28.360 the Chinese regime

00:09:29.000 used this to the T

00:09:30.260 as a military strategy.

00:09:31.960 What did they do?

00:09:33.440 They start going

00:09:34.360 into the South China Sea,

00:09:35.540 building military bases,

00:09:36.860 building artificial islands,

00:09:38.100 putting up missile defense systems,

00:09:39.540 you name it.

00:09:39.900 Very hostile actions,

00:09:41.580 even challenging other nations,

00:09:43.260 putting up, you know,

00:09:44.060 an air defense zone,

00:09:45.360 saying other countries

00:09:46.200 can't enter their airspace

00:09:47.280 without checking with them first.

00:09:49.400 This is, you know,

00:09:50.280 it's conquering,

00:09:51.280 traditional conquering.

00:09:52.280 That's what they were doing.

00:09:53.340 Just taking territory,

00:09:54.720 saying it's ours,

00:09:55.380 saying nobody can come in

00:09:56.280 unless they tell us first

00:09:57.260 and we give them permission.

00:09:58.740 But how did they take it?

00:10:00.180 That is where

00:10:01.140 the three warfares comes in.

00:10:02.740 On the psychological warfare part,

00:10:04.760 they created a narrative.

00:10:06.100 And what was the narrative?

00:10:07.500 The narrative was one

00:10:08.460 of historical ownership

00:10:09.960 of the region,

00:10:11.340 one that painted China

00:10:12.380 as a victim

00:10:13.180 and gave them,

00:10:14.080 of course,

00:10:14.440 the perceived rights

00:10:15.660 and even, say,

00:10:17.640 justified actions

00:10:19.100 of going in

00:10:19.760 and taking this territory.

00:10:20.720 They said they had

00:10:21.240 historical ownership

00:10:22.440 of this region.

00:10:23.520 It was taken from them

00:10:25.240 unjustly by Japan

00:10:26.600 by these different deals

00:10:28.020 after World War II.

00:10:29.080 That was the narrative

00:10:29.660 they used.

00:10:31.000 Then what did they do

00:10:32.200 after that?

00:10:33.080 They go into

00:10:33.680 the media warfare element.

00:10:35.260 It's very easy

00:10:35.880 to manipulate the media.

00:10:37.500 Extremely easy.

00:10:38.840 If you're a country

00:10:39.740 like China,

00:10:40.340 all you need to do

00:10:41.480 is, well, two things.

00:10:42.900 One is you have

00:10:43.620 your former officials

00:10:44.720 or current officials

00:10:45.520 go to any big news outlet

00:10:46.980 and tell them,

00:10:48.300 I got an exclusive story

00:10:49.720 for you.

00:10:50.180 I'll tell you the real story

00:10:51.100 of what's happening in China.

00:10:52.300 And they're going to publish

00:10:53.100 everything that person says.

00:10:54.680 The other one is

00:10:55.580 if a media writes

00:10:56.600 a critical story of China,

00:10:58.220 if they're talking about it,

00:10:59.900 they can easily just have

00:11:00.980 an academic

00:11:02.060 or, say,

00:11:02.980 a top-level Chinese official

00:11:04.460 go to them

00:11:05.740 and say,

00:11:06.140 your article was racist.

00:11:07.720 Your article was offensive.

00:11:09.960 You don't understand China.

00:11:11.560 Have you ever been to China?

00:11:13.160 How dare you write

00:11:14.160 about my country?

00:11:15.240 And that journalist

00:11:15.920 is going to get on his knees

00:11:17.000 and say everything

00:11:17.840 that person tells him.

00:11:18.900 He's going to be eating

00:11:19.560 out of their hands.

00:11:20.660 And you see it all the time.

00:11:22.480 And so that's media warfare.

00:11:24.380 And then when you get into

00:11:25.320 legal warfare,

00:11:26.920 that's the maintaining

00:11:28.420 the battle

00:11:29.360 within the legal realm

00:11:30.560 so it does not enter

00:11:31.460 the diplomatic

00:11:32.080 or political,

00:11:33.160 or sorry,

00:11:33.400 the diplomatic

00:11:33.840 or the hot war realm.

00:11:35.860 And so, again,

00:11:36.940 South China Sea,

00:11:37.660 you have the Chinese regime

00:11:38.680 taking military action,

00:11:41.300 building military bases,

00:11:43.120 being, you know,

00:11:43.560 taking very hostile action

00:11:44.900 against other ships,

00:11:45.900 you know,

00:11:46.260 sometimes even ramming.

00:11:47.760 And there were cases of,

00:11:48.800 you know,

00:11:49.060 for example,

00:11:49.560 other ships

00:11:50.040 from other countries

00:11:50.660 being sunk,

00:11:52.100 mainly fishing vessels

00:11:54.420 and things like that.

00:11:55.260 Very hostile actions

00:11:56.160 regardless, though.

00:11:57.520 But they kept it

00:11:58.560 from entering

00:11:59.140 the military realm

00:12:00.560 by maintaining it

00:12:02.100 as a legal battle.

00:12:04.340 And so they locked it

00:12:05.160 in the international courts.

00:12:07.080 Eventually, of course,

00:12:08.320 the courts, you know,

00:12:09.600 ruled against China,

00:12:10.600 said it does not have

00:12:11.380 historical ownership

00:12:12.120 of this territory.

00:12:13.300 But by that time,

00:12:14.360 they'd already mostly won

00:12:15.400 the international

00:12:16.100 battle of perception.

00:12:18.700 And in addition to that,

00:12:19.720 they said,

00:12:20.080 well,

00:12:20.240 in Chinese law,

00:12:21.920 by our laws,

00:12:23.500 we still have rights

00:12:24.560 to do this.

00:12:25.260 And, you know,

00:12:25.600 if you want to challenge us,

00:12:27.020 come to China's courts.

00:12:28.340 Come to our courts

00:12:29.160 and challenge us.

00:12:30.340 And of course,

00:12:31.020 they control the court system

00:12:32.560 down to the most minute levels.

00:12:34.700 There's no way

00:12:35.100 you're going to win

00:12:35.480 a battle in China

00:12:36.360 like that.

00:12:38.360 How is U.S.

00:12:39.280 being bullied

00:12:39.720 by China right now?

00:12:41.740 On many fronts.

00:12:43.120 So,

00:12:44.040 if you want to get

00:12:44.840 into the broad picture of it,

00:12:46.300 say,

00:12:47.300 the type of real bullying,

00:12:49.220 if you were to ask me,

00:12:50.600 that's when you get

00:12:51.200 into things like economic theft,

00:12:52.700 you get into things

00:12:53.220 like culture,

00:12:54.080 you get into things

00:12:54.740 like drugs.

00:12:56.460 You know,

00:12:56.680 again,

00:12:57.140 what they call

00:12:57.640 unrestricted warfare.

00:12:59.820 And it's based on,

00:13:00.520 you know,

00:13:00.700 this is actually

00:13:01.240 the name of a book.

00:13:02.380 It's a lot of China experts

00:13:03.620 talk about it

00:13:04.340 as being kind of

00:13:05.560 the basic framework

00:13:08.460 through which China

00:13:09.460 has waged

00:13:10.100 an unconventional war

00:13:11.300 on the United States.

00:13:12.800 So,

00:13:13.140 1999,

00:13:13.940 two Chinese colonels

00:13:14.720 wrote a book

00:13:15.120 called Unrestricted Warfare

00:13:16.340 where they proposed

00:13:17.040 a new system of war

00:13:18.340 without morals.

00:13:20.360 And it's based

00:13:21.240 on a very simple way

00:13:22.340 of thinking.

00:13:22.980 Now,

00:13:23.160 if you want to get

00:13:23.680 into the,

00:13:24.120 you know,

00:13:25.220 nitty gritty,

00:13:25.840 the gist of it,

00:13:26.720 we could go on forever

00:13:28.260 talking about

00:13:28.960 all the different forms

00:13:30.280 of unconventional war

00:13:31.340 they run.

00:13:32.220 You know,

00:13:32.440 names across the board,

00:13:33.900 everything you could think

00:13:34.740 of being targeted.

00:13:36.000 But it comes down to this.

00:13:37.760 It's a perception

00:13:38.760 of saying,

00:13:39.360 what would you want

00:13:40.320 to achieve

00:13:41.380 through warfare?

00:13:43.040 And how can you achieve

00:13:44.200 those exact same goals

00:13:46.120 without engaging

00:13:47.220 in open combat?

00:13:49.040 And so,

00:13:49.480 for example,

00:13:50.140 culture warfare,

00:13:52.000 you know,

00:13:52.260 China's,

00:13:52.700 of course,

00:13:52.920 gained significant

00:13:53.680 control over Hollywood,

00:13:55.460 not just through,

00:13:56.500 say,

00:13:56.920 manipulation,

00:13:57.900 say,

00:13:58.080 forcing them

00:13:58.700 to abide by Chinese laws

00:14:00.140 when it comes to censorship

00:14:01.140 and propaganda

00:14:01.840 if they want to get

00:14:03.220 their films into China,

00:14:04.280 which is a huge market

00:14:05.180 for Hollywood,

00:14:06.160 especially right now

00:14:07.100 when,

00:14:07.380 you know,

00:14:07.620 films aren't doing as hot,

00:14:09.340 to,

00:14:09.960 you know,

00:14:10.160 for example,

00:14:10.840 buying up parts

00:14:12.160 of ownership

00:14:13.600 in, say,

00:14:14.080 production houses,

00:14:15.180 talent houses,

00:14:16.500 buying AMC theaters,

00:14:17.860 for example,

00:14:18.940 these types of things.

00:14:20.480 You know,

00:14:20.740 they can then control

00:14:21.780 what is shown

00:14:22.660 in our movies.

00:14:23.660 For example,

00:14:24.260 they can't,

00:14:24.740 if they want to get

00:14:25.240 into China,

00:14:25.960 they can't show China

00:14:27.060 in a negative light.

00:14:28.300 They can't show

00:14:28.980 the U.S. military

00:14:29.720 in a positive light

00:14:30.660 if they want to get

00:14:31.540 into China.

00:14:32.380 They need to maintain,

00:14:33.940 say,

00:14:34.400 you know,

00:14:34.660 at least one scene

00:14:36.000 in China.

00:14:36.620 They have to have

00:14:37.020 at least one Chinese actor

00:14:38.260 or actress

00:14:38.940 and so on.

00:14:39.820 Certain requirements

00:14:40.800 for that.

00:14:42.220 And,

00:14:42.380 of course,

00:14:42.680 the Chinese regime,

00:14:43.500 Xi Jinping,

00:14:44.140 actually,

00:14:44.520 back when they launched

00:14:45.700 a lot of these operations,

00:14:47.040 came out and said

00:14:47.880 the United States

00:14:48.900 is launching a culture war

00:14:50.200 on China

00:14:50.720 and said that they needed

00:14:52.020 to retaliate.

00:14:53.580 They talk about

00:14:54.420 this stuff openly.

00:14:56.000 When it comes to

00:14:56.900 drug warfare,

00:14:57.960 for example,

00:14:58.500 how do you destroy

00:14:59.360 the moral fabric

00:15:00.600 of a society?

00:15:01.940 We talk about things

00:15:02.820 like these synthetic drugs,

00:15:04.580 fentanyl,

00:15:05.160 that comes from China.

00:15:06.640 But what's actually

00:15:07.320 not really as well known

00:15:08.580 is that most of our drugs

00:15:09.740 come from China.

00:15:11.040 The drug cartels

00:15:11.980 in Latin America,

00:15:12.960 they get their

00:15:13.420 precursor chemicals

00:15:14.320 from China.

00:15:15.520 In fact,

00:15:16.000 there have been

00:15:16.260 some reports

00:15:16.840 saying that they're

00:15:17.400 having trouble

00:15:17.900 manufacturing

00:15:18.600 because a lot

00:15:19.280 of their labs

00:15:20.260 they were getting

00:15:20.680 their precursor chemicals

00:15:21.720 from for things

00:15:22.840 like methamphetamine

00:15:23.760 and other drugs

00:15:24.440 were coming from Wuhan,

00:15:26.180 the epicenter

00:15:26.980 of this virus.

00:15:28.780 And so,

00:15:29.160 you know,

00:15:29.420 you name it

00:15:30.160 across the board,

00:15:31.380 this is the real way

00:15:32.900 they're bullying America.

00:15:34.660 Ecstasy is coming

00:15:35.580 from China.

00:15:37.140 I haven't heard ecstasy,

00:15:38.400 but a lot of the

00:15:39.540 synthetic ones would,

00:15:40.600 yes.

00:15:42.900 So,

00:15:43.860 in order for

00:15:46.700 things to,

00:15:48.760 for me to say

00:15:49.780 where the world

00:15:50.620 is a little bit more

00:15:51.400 comfortable with China,

00:15:53.200 it would mean

00:15:53.840 their foundation

00:15:54.800 would need to change,

00:15:56.240 right?

00:15:56.580 Meaning because

00:15:57.120 their foundation

00:15:57.720 of communism,

00:15:58.540 control,

00:15:59.020 controlling media,

00:15:59.840 controlling everything

00:16:00.500 that the people do,

00:16:02.040 not allowing free press,

00:16:03.520 free speech,

00:16:04.140 you don't have a Facebook,

00:16:05.380 a YouTube,

00:16:05.880 a Twitter,

00:16:06.940 any social media platforms

00:16:08.380 that are open in China

00:16:09.920 for the public to use.

00:16:12.100 You know,

00:16:12.460 and if that doesn't happen,

00:16:14.100 how can any country

00:16:15.540 that's doing business

00:16:16.400 with China

00:16:16.900 fully trust them?

00:16:18.280 They can't,

00:16:19.340 plain and simple.

00:16:20.640 And,

00:16:20.920 of course,

00:16:21.380 it's interesting now

00:16:22.320 to see that a lot of

00:16:23.040 countries are starting

00:16:23.660 to finally realize this.

00:16:25.460 I think this virus,

00:16:26.640 as terrible as it is,

00:16:27.520 has been a wake-up call

00:16:28.580 to a lot of countries

00:16:30.080 seeing that,

00:16:31.340 you know,

00:16:31.620 they're,

00:16:31.940 for example,

00:16:32.280 in the UK and Australia

00:16:33.560 where they're calling

00:16:34.520 for investigations

00:16:35.420 into the Chinese regime

00:16:36.580 and the Chinese regime

00:16:37.220 is coming out

00:16:37.740 and threatening them openly.

00:16:39.880 This is,

00:16:40.300 for example,

00:16:40.700 a big story

00:16:41.820 in Australia right now

00:16:43.000 where they're,

00:16:43.760 you know,

00:16:44.000 they're calling

00:16:44.520 for investigations

00:16:45.580 into the origin

00:16:46.320 of this virus,

00:16:46.980 looking again

00:16:47.500 into this Wuhan laboratory

00:16:48.820 as a possible origin.

00:16:50.440 The Chinese regime

00:16:51.140 is threatening them

00:16:52.040 with punishment,

00:16:52.740 saying we're not going

00:16:53.360 to send Chinese students

00:16:54.380 to Australia anymore.

00:16:56.020 We're going to hit you

00:16:56.980 economically

00:16:57.540 if you keep calling

00:16:58.460 for this.

00:16:59.560 In the UK

00:17:00.420 and Australia,

00:17:01.140 they're saying

00:17:01.700 the mask

00:17:02.560 that the Chinese regime

00:17:03.720 once wore,

00:17:04.460 this friendly mask,

00:17:05.420 has fallen off,

00:17:06.480 and they're finally seeing it

00:17:07.280 for what it is.

00:17:08.440 It is a country

00:17:09.280 dedicated to the defense

00:17:10.800 of its narratives.

00:17:11.960 It is a totalitarian regime

00:17:13.260 that has no problem,

00:17:14.620 for example,

00:17:15.280 throwing Muslim Uyghurs

00:17:16.220 in slave camps,

00:17:17.720 that, you know,

00:17:18.020 doesn't mind tearing down

00:17:19.160 churches of house Christians,

00:17:20.580 that will use

00:17:21.140 Falun Gong practitioners,

00:17:22.980 people trying to be good people,

00:17:24.360 as living sources

00:17:25.380 for organ transplants,

00:17:27.000 that can lock down Tibet

00:17:28.520 and still,

00:17:29.160 amidst all of this,

00:17:30.520 be portrayed somewhat positively

00:17:32.100 by the media,

00:17:32.940 saying China is changing

00:17:34.140 when they have not changed

00:17:35.420 one drop.

00:17:36.100 How much do you think

00:17:37.140 things are going to change

00:17:37.980 moving forward

00:17:38.560 post-coronavirus

00:17:39.500 and COVID-19

00:17:40.360 with foreign relations?

00:17:42.080 And what I mean by this is,

00:17:43.840 say this is over with,

00:17:45.240 let's just say

00:17:45.700 this is over with,

00:17:47.040 what's going to change

00:17:48.140 with our relationship

00:17:48.940 with China?

00:17:49.740 A lot's going to change.

00:17:51.200 A whole lot's going to change.

00:17:52.900 Now, let's look

00:17:54.180 at the overall situation.

00:17:56.400 Personally, to start,

00:17:57.420 I do not think

00:17:58.020 the Chinese regime

00:17:58.720 is going to survive this.

00:18:00.380 I don't think

00:18:00.900 they're going to make it

00:18:01.520 through this

00:18:02.040 and they're facing pressure

00:18:04.140 from multiple angles

00:18:05.180 when I say this.

00:18:07.160 Now, if you were to ask me

00:18:07.880 a couple of years ago,

00:18:08.840 I would not have said this,

00:18:10.520 but now this is where it's heading.

00:18:12.440 And here's a situation.

00:18:14.020 This virus came

00:18:15.040 at the worst possible time

00:18:16.620 for the Chinese regime,

00:18:17.680 strategically.

00:18:18.620 It happened right at the height

00:18:20.080 of the Hong Kong protests

00:18:21.300 when the authoritarian nature

00:18:24.540 of the Chinese regime

00:18:25.500 was being called out

00:18:26.540 by the Chinese people themselves.

00:18:28.860 When the people were waking up,

00:18:30.600 when they showed,

00:18:31.160 you know,

00:18:31.520 people in Hong Kong

00:18:32.420 knowing about

00:18:33.340 the Tiananmen Square massacre

00:18:34.560 decided that they are willing

00:18:36.180 to stand up to that regime,

00:18:38.040 risking an action like that

00:18:40.500 from the regime,

00:18:41.700 seeing signs of,

00:18:42.720 you know,

00:18:42.840 that they can make you disappear.

00:18:44.760 For example,

00:18:46.060 2 million people

00:18:46.980 out of a city

00:18:48.420 of about 7 million.

00:18:50.600 And so,

00:18:51.320 you know,

00:18:51.940 6 or 7 million

00:18:52.740 depending on how you weigh it.

00:18:54.140 And so a lot,

00:18:54.820 you know,

00:18:54.940 a huge portion of the population,

00:18:56.340 the Chinese regime

00:18:56.880 is terrified

00:18:57.420 these protests

00:18:58.020 are going to spread

00:18:58.600 into the mainland.

00:18:59.800 Then you have in Taiwan,

00:19:01.160 a landslide election

00:19:02.740 against the party

00:19:03.640 that is opposed,

00:19:04.960 against the party

00:19:05.640 that was supportive

00:19:06.260 of the Chinese regime.

00:19:07.120 And so the anti-CCP party,

00:19:09.480 anti-Chinese Communist Party

00:19:10.780 party in Taiwan

00:19:12.200 won the election.

00:19:13.780 And then in mainland China,

00:19:15.120 you had businesses

00:19:15.860 shutting down.

00:19:18.080 You had people,

00:19:19.020 of course,

00:19:19.460 you know,

00:19:19.640 losing their jobs

00:19:20.400 because of this whole

00:19:21.120 U.S.-China trade war.

00:19:22.900 The situation for them

00:19:24.120 was the worst possible time.

00:19:25.900 Then you have a virus

00:19:26.640 come out

00:19:27.120 that completely

00:19:28.260 shuts down

00:19:28.880 the Chinese economy,

00:19:30.400 causes a lot

00:19:31.040 of social instability.

00:19:32.320 And when you're

00:19:32.740 a totalitarian regime

00:19:34.240 that has maintained

00:19:35.700 essentially social control

00:19:37.120 through two things,

00:19:38.000 one is fear

00:19:38.740 and the other one

00:19:40.380 is through finance.

00:19:41.820 And both of these things

00:19:42.800 are suddenly destabilized

00:19:44.120 where people become

00:19:44.840 willing to stand up to you

00:19:46.020 because they're more afraid

00:19:47.520 of your totalitarian systems.

00:19:49.780 That,

00:19:49.880 you know,

00:19:50.160 they believe

00:19:51.300 that standing up

00:19:52.360 against you

00:19:52.840 will bring them

00:19:53.460 better outcomes

00:19:54.340 than living under your heel.

00:19:56.660 You know,

00:19:56.860 that's where China

00:19:57.440 is right now.

00:19:58.100 People are no longer

00:19:58.760 afraid to protest against it.

00:20:00.140 They're no longer

00:20:00.520 afraid to call it out.

00:20:01.900 We had reports

00:20:02.660 of people in Wuhan,

00:20:03.660 the epicenter of this virus,

00:20:05.080 going out on their balconies

00:20:06.280 and shouting curses

00:20:07.420 into the night sky

00:20:08.820 at the Chinese regime

00:20:10.320 because it was the only

00:20:11.700 outlet they had

00:20:12.760 in terms of calling it out.

00:20:14.220 They no longer fear

00:20:15.280 the Chinese regime

00:20:16.060 in many parts.

00:20:17.540 And so,

00:20:18.040 when it comes to that,

00:20:19.040 internally,

00:20:19.560 they are very much

00:20:20.380 destabilized.

00:20:21.260 When it comes to

00:20:21.700 external politics,

00:20:23.340 countries are pulling

00:20:24.760 their factories

00:20:25.400 out of China.

00:20:26.380 They're calling out

00:20:27.340 China diplomatically.

00:20:28.800 They're talking about

00:20:29.820 decoupling with China.

00:20:31.160 They're talking about

00:20:31.640 securing their

00:20:32.420 sourcings

00:20:33.440 for different productions.

00:20:34.660 For example,

00:20:35.160 Japan is actually

00:20:35.900 paying companies

00:20:36.780 to move their productions

00:20:37.860 out of China.

00:20:39.240 The Chinese regime

00:20:39.940 isn't going to,

00:20:40.880 I don't think financially,

00:20:42.440 I don't think ideologically,

00:20:43.840 and I don't think internally

00:20:44.840 among the way people

00:20:45.780 in their own country

00:20:46.480 perceive them.

00:20:47.640 I don't think it has

00:20:48.360 a whole lot going for it.

00:20:49.400 And I honestly,

00:20:50.080 again,

00:20:50.280 I don't think the

00:20:51.000 Communist Party itself

00:20:51.880 is going to survive this.

00:20:53.340 You don't think they are?

00:20:54.820 No,

00:20:55.220 not at all.

00:20:55.900 Tell me why you say that,

00:20:56.840 because you have

00:20:57.520 Gordon Chang

00:20:58.100 that you had on,

00:20:58.660 he wrote a book

00:20:59.880 called The Collapse of China,

00:21:02.780 and he wrote that book

00:21:03.920 a long time ago,

00:21:04.920 and it never happened.

00:21:05.640 It's been over two decades

00:21:06.440 since he wrote that book,

00:21:07.440 and it's still around.

00:21:08.400 China's getting stronger,

00:21:10.180 pre-coronavirus,

00:21:11.240 that we're getting stronger.

00:21:12.480 Why do you think

00:21:13.320 that the empire

00:21:14.320 is going to collapse?

00:21:15.980 Well,

00:21:16.340 it's because

00:21:16.740 what is the foundation

00:21:17.620 of the empire,

00:21:19.000 right?

00:21:19.760 What is the foundation

00:21:20.720 of it?

00:21:21.100 Outside of China,

00:21:22.520 they maintained

00:21:23.760 their social controls

00:21:25.340 basically through soft power,

00:21:27.320 soft power,

00:21:28.140 financial interest,

00:21:29.120 and then,

00:21:29.400 you know,

00:21:29.580 some political subversion,

00:21:31.180 getting politicians

00:21:31.960 in their pockets.

00:21:33.300 I mentioned before

00:21:34.200 the,

00:21:34.660 sorry,

00:21:36.020 the United Front

00:21:39.020 Working Department,

00:21:39.860 the one that I had

00:21:40.460 done a lot of reporting on.

00:21:41.580 You know,

00:21:41.740 one of the ways

00:21:42.240 that works

00:21:42.680 is by inviting politicians,

00:21:44.720 business leaders

00:21:45.260 back to China,

00:21:46.640 you know,

00:21:46.880 getting them business deals,

00:21:48.060 maybe getting them

00:21:48.800 caught in honey traps

00:21:49.760 where they might,

00:21:50.440 you know,

00:21:50.620 may sleep with a young girl

00:21:51.700 and have video cameras

00:21:52.620 record the whole thing.

00:21:54.360 This is very,

00:21:55.220 you know,

00:21:55.440 very common practice

00:21:56.340 for the Chinese regime.

00:21:58.380 So when it comes

00:21:59.200 to political influence,

00:22:00.380 when it comes to soft power,

00:22:01.560 a lot of that's being

00:22:02.140 called out right now.

00:22:03.400 When it comes to their

00:22:04.360 control in universities,

00:22:05.840 for example,

00:22:06.480 just as a part of this,

00:22:08.060 there are multiple

00:22:08.940 investigations being done

00:22:10.240 right now into,

00:22:11.700 for example,

00:22:13.120 different academics

00:22:14.560 who have received gifts

00:22:15.820 from China

00:22:16.500 that they had not

00:22:17.080 previously disclosed.

00:22:18.760 There are a lot

00:22:19.160 of public reports

00:22:19.920 about this.

00:22:20.520 The Department of Education

00:22:21.420 is investigating it.

00:22:23.100 For example,

00:22:23.820 this Dr. Charles Lieber,

00:22:25.340 the head of the chemistry

00:22:26.240 department at Harvard,

00:22:27.640 was actually caught in that.

00:22:29.500 For example,

00:22:29.980 he was taking something

00:22:30.780 like 50K a month

00:22:32.000 from the Chinese regime

00:22:33.460 and was being,

00:22:34.620 was working through

00:22:35.380 its Thousand Talents program.

00:22:37.800 Now,

00:22:38.040 when it comes to

00:22:38.920 the business side,

00:22:40.580 a lot of companies

00:22:41.500 are already pulling

00:22:42.260 out of China.

00:22:42.900 It's not financially feasible

00:22:44.140 to stay in China.

00:22:45.860 And, you know,

00:22:46.320 really the benefit

00:22:47.220 of being there

00:22:47.820 isn't as much

00:22:48.460 as it used to be.

00:22:49.240 You can go to Cambodia,

00:22:50.340 you can go to Mexico,

00:22:51.360 you can go to,

00:22:51.980 you know,

00:22:52.560 Vietnam and manufacture

00:22:54.100 just as cheap

00:22:54.860 without having to deal

00:22:55.520 with all the crazy politics.

00:22:57.480 And so companies

00:22:58.280 are pulling out

00:22:58.900 and once they pull out,

00:23:00.160 what incentive

00:23:00.840 do they have

00:23:01.240 to ever go back in?

00:23:02.600 We also saw,

00:23:03.580 for example,

00:23:04.040 with the face masks

00:23:04.920 in China,

00:23:05.600 U.S. company,

00:23:06.440 you know,

00:23:07.080 running in China,

00:23:08.000 making these global face masks.

00:23:10.020 China demonstrated

00:23:10.840 that they can nationalize

00:23:12.260 a company like that,

00:23:13.860 that they can take it over

00:23:14.920 and forbid an American country

00:23:16.420 from selling to America

00:23:17.680 during a time of crisis.

00:23:20.040 And so now in the U.S.,

00:23:20.920 they're talking about

00:23:21.500 securing supply chains,

00:23:23.300 making sure that

00:23:23.880 that never happens again.

00:23:25.420 And many countries

00:23:26.040 are doing the same thing.

00:23:27.480 When it comes

00:23:28.160 to the Chinese regime

00:23:29.020 trying to buy up,

00:23:30.300 you know,

00:23:30.600 different countries,

00:23:31.700 buy them off

00:23:32.260 through things like

00:23:32.780 debt traps,

00:23:34.020 one belt,

00:23:34.840 one road initiatives,

00:23:35.900 things like this,

00:23:36.980 building infrastructure

00:23:37.860 in countries,

00:23:38.640 getting them in,

00:23:39.380 again,

00:23:39.700 debt traps

00:23:40.260 they can never pay off.

00:23:41.260 And then through that,

00:23:43.100 being able to take over

00:23:44.020 natural resources,

00:23:45.200 critical infrastructure,

00:23:46.220 et cetera,

00:23:46.800 that's also being called out.

00:23:49.000 That's also being stopped.

00:23:50.560 In fact,

00:23:51.100 the coronavirus

00:23:51.740 has basically derailed

00:23:53.300 the entire

00:23:53.860 One Belt,

00:23:54.380 One Road initiative.

00:23:55.520 And then you have

00:23:56.080 also different countries,

00:23:57.180 including the UK,

00:23:58.580 including India,

00:23:59.380 including many others,

00:24:00.380 working on things

00:24:01.820 to forbid

00:24:02.460 Chinese foreign direct investment

00:24:04.080 because they're worried

00:24:05.280 the Chinese regime

00:24:06.100 is going to manipulate

00:24:07.300 the current financial environment

00:24:09.540 where the stock markets

00:24:11.880 are crashing

00:24:12.500 to do hostile takeovers

00:24:14.240 of companies.

00:24:15.700 And so,

00:24:16.120 you know,

00:24:16.500 it's almost like

00:24:17.140 everybody sees them

00:24:17.940 for what they are

00:24:18.580 at this point.

00:24:19.260 Everybody knows

00:24:19.800 what they're doing

00:24:20.320 at this point.

00:24:21.220 The narratives

00:24:21.880 no longer work.

00:24:22.860 The mask,

00:24:23.500 again,

00:24:23.780 has fallen off.

00:24:24.620 They're seeing

00:24:24.940 the Chinese regime

00:24:25.580 for what it is.

00:24:26.860 And they're not

00:24:27.580 playing the games anymore.

00:24:29.560 You think that's going

00:24:30.660 to cause them

00:24:31.180 to collapse

00:24:31.720 because I think

00:24:34.000 they have,

00:24:35.720 I mean,

00:24:35.940 think about it.

00:24:36.500 You got what?

00:24:37.040 1.5 billion people there,

00:24:38.460 1.6 billion,

00:24:39.320 whatever that number is.

00:24:40.680 How many people

00:24:42.060 are controlled

00:24:43.700 by the current philosophy

00:24:45.900 of running the country?

00:24:47.500 And what I mean by that

00:24:48.280 is influential people,

00:24:50.140 not voters,

00:24:50.880 not populists,

00:24:51.680 not just the average

00:24:52.740 working class person

00:24:54.660 that's in China.

00:24:55.240 I'm talking about

00:24:55.960 people that are part

00:24:56.900 of the,

00:24:57.380 you know,

00:24:57.620 CCP,

00:24:58.540 the party

00:24:59.380 that want this thing

00:25:00.920 to continue.

00:25:02.000 That's a pretty big,

00:25:03.160 you know,

00:25:03.520 big party,

00:25:04.380 big army

00:25:05.560 that they have.

00:25:06.480 You think they're going

00:25:07.320 to let this regime

00:25:08.400 go down?

00:25:09.320 For that to happen,

00:25:10.500 it needs to be

00:25:11.340 a massive revolt.

00:25:12.500 How does that happen,

00:25:13.340 though?

00:25:13.840 I think it's already

00:25:14.640 happening.

00:25:15.640 You think it's already

00:25:16.420 happening internally?

00:25:17.780 I think so,

00:25:18.520 yeah.

00:25:18.840 With the leadership team?

00:25:20.340 Oh, absolutely.

00:25:21.340 Yeah.

00:25:21.980 I mean,

00:25:22.300 at times,

00:25:22.960 we get a lot,

00:25:23.460 you know,

00:25:23.640 we have,

00:25:24.460 so it's interesting.

00:25:25.560 Of course,

00:25:25.880 we started in 2000

00:25:27.180 and of course,

00:25:27.900 we've,

00:25:28.380 from the very get-go,

00:25:29.640 never folded

00:25:30.340 to the Chinese regime's

00:25:31.240 pressures.

00:25:32.340 You know,

00:25:32.560 we've kind of

00:25:33.340 established ourselves

00:25:34.380 as,

00:25:34.760 you know,

00:25:34.980 the China experts.

00:25:36.220 We've never folded

00:25:37.500 to the Chinese regime.

00:25:38.520 We've always been

00:25:39.220 very critical of it.

00:25:40.520 We've always exposed

00:25:41.220 what it does.

00:25:41.820 And one of the effects

00:25:42.580 of that

00:25:43.200 is that whenever

00:25:44.400 anyone wants to defect,

00:25:45.960 whenever anyone wants

00:25:47.280 to get information out,

00:25:48.980 whenever anyone wants

00:25:49.960 to leak a document,

00:25:51.000 they typically come to us.

00:25:52.220 We get regularly,

00:25:53.700 almost every day,

00:25:54.540 leaked documents

00:25:55.180 coming out of China.

00:25:56.380 We get top-level officials

00:25:57.740 telling us

00:25:58.380 what's really happening there.

00:26:00.000 The real picture of China

00:26:01.640 is that many people

00:26:02.540 within the Communist Party,

00:26:03.600 they no longer believe

00:26:04.640 in the Communist Party.

00:26:05.980 They no longer fear

00:26:07.160 the Chinese Communist Party.

00:26:09.300 People now,

00:26:10.240 you know,

00:26:10.580 even within,

00:26:11.760 say,

00:26:12.440 where things wrap

00:26:13.040 with this virus,

00:26:13.780 I'll give you a few examples.

00:26:15.420 You have local governments

00:26:17.040 defying top-level

00:26:18.520 political guidelines.

00:26:20.200 For example,

00:26:21.540 when they tried

00:26:21.960 opening up Wuhan

00:26:22.960 and you had Chinese people

00:26:24.440 trying to go back

00:26:25.080 to work crossing over

00:26:26.740 into one of the nearby provinces,

00:26:28.380 the local government

00:26:29.460 stopped them.

00:26:30.660 While the Chinese regime,

00:26:31.680 top-level powers,

00:26:32.560 was trying to,

00:26:33.300 you know,

00:26:33.760 open things up

00:26:34.520 and create this image

00:26:35.540 of harmony,

00:26:36.560 local government

00:26:37.220 apparently sent police forces.

00:26:38.840 There was a riot

00:26:39.420 on one of the bridges.

00:26:40.980 Now,

00:26:41.200 this showed two things.

00:26:42.240 One is local government

00:26:43.360 defying top-level politics,

00:26:45.280 and the other side of it,

00:26:46.440 you had a show.

00:26:48.240 The Chinese people

00:26:49.060 will riot.

00:26:50.020 They will overturn police cars.

00:26:51.540 They will curse

00:26:52.120 the Communist Party.

00:26:53.260 They will stand up

00:26:53.900 against it,

00:26:54.640 because, again,

00:26:55.320 when you're a communist country

00:26:56.840 that has maintained

00:26:58.020 social control

00:26:59.020 basically through fear

00:27:00.560 and through financial interest,

00:27:01.860 both of these things

00:27:02.920 are destabilized.

00:27:04.140 And so,

00:27:04.480 what is the basis

00:27:05.160 of power for the regime?

00:27:07.440 And the basis

00:27:08.420 of it maintaining

00:27:09.480 its totalitarian system,

00:27:11.320 again,

00:27:11.820 this narrative

00:27:12.400 that the party knows

00:27:13.280 better than you do,

00:27:14.840 right?

00:27:15.080 The party can make

00:27:15.820 better decisions

00:27:16.540 than you can.

00:27:17.860 And so,

00:27:18.240 of course,

00:27:18.700 the party can choose,

00:27:19.860 you know,

00:27:20.260 your basic decisions in life.

00:27:21.640 Of course,

00:27:22.060 the party can dictate

00:27:22.940 what you choose to believe.

00:27:24.780 When people no longer believe

00:27:26.220 in the competence

00:27:27.300 of the party,

00:27:28.800 again,

00:27:29.160 that is destabilized.

00:27:30.720 And so,

00:27:30.980 the Chinese regime

00:27:31.580 is facing all of these things

00:27:32.840 right now.

00:27:33.780 You know,

00:27:34.020 one of the things

00:27:34.420 I'm curious about,

00:27:35.020 I'm trying to search it

00:27:35.760 to see if I can find this online,

00:27:37.220 is what is the average age

00:27:38.660 of population in China?

00:27:40.040 Meaning,

00:27:40.400 is it more younger,

00:27:41.520 older,

00:27:42.020 middle-aged?

00:27:42.660 Where is that age demographic?

00:27:44.920 I'm not sure,

00:27:45.840 to be honest,

00:27:46.260 but because of the

00:27:46.940 one-child policy,

00:27:47.940 they do have,

00:27:49.080 they do have an issue

00:27:50.160 with,

00:27:50.500 you know,

00:27:50.700 an aging population

00:27:51.640 and they do have an issue

00:27:52.880 of the younger generation

00:27:54.180 not being big enough

00:27:55.080 to basically hold it up.

00:27:56.900 And of course,

00:27:57.440 they got rid of

00:27:58.240 the one-China policy.

00:27:59.580 There's some nuances to it.

00:28:00.800 It's a bit complicated.

00:28:02.340 But what they found

00:28:03.340 is a lot of people

00:28:03.940 are still not having kids,

00:28:05.360 not as much as

00:28:06.200 they anticipated.

00:28:07.400 And so,

00:28:07.680 you still have a pretty big

00:28:08.520 crisis with that.

00:28:09.660 I only ask the questions

00:28:10.540 because if a populist

00:28:12.520 is going to revolt

00:28:13.160 against a nation,

00:28:14.020 it has to be

00:28:14.460 a younger populist

00:28:15.320 because the older populist

00:28:16.420 gets too conservative

00:28:17.300 and worried about

00:28:18.980 the consequences

00:28:19.940 because the older generations

00:28:22.560 worry about their kids

00:28:23.720 and grandkids

00:28:24.580 and when you're younger

00:28:26.100 in your 20s,

00:28:26.840 you're not really worried

00:28:27.500 about anybody.

00:28:28.140 You're willing to revolt.

00:28:28.980 So if they got

00:28:29.460 a younger audience,

00:28:30.600 they could,

00:28:31.000 but if they got

00:28:31.480 an older aging,

00:28:33.200 you really need

00:28:34.920 to have a lot of audacity

00:28:36.480 to go up against

00:28:37.440 a regime like that.

00:28:38.240 I'm from Iran

00:28:38.920 and I can tell you

00:28:41.120 there is a lot of strength

00:28:43.060 when the younger audience

00:28:44.280 decides to go up

00:28:45.380 against an older.

00:28:46.360 This is how a Ron Paul

00:28:47.680 and a Bernie Sanders

00:28:49.200 were able to get

00:28:50.980 very close

00:28:51.820 to being a nominee

00:28:52.740 because they were able

00:28:53.820 to get the younger audience

00:28:56.060 organized and motivated

00:28:58.900 to get them going.

00:29:02.240 So, yeah,

00:29:03.020 that would be one part.

00:29:04.420 If they can do that,

00:29:05.140 maybe there's a potential.

00:29:06.100 If not,

00:29:06.460 I just see them

00:29:07.060 bullying too many people.

00:29:08.060 I mean,

00:29:08.180 the things you were

00:29:08.780 explaining about saying

00:29:09.780 having powerful people

00:29:11.880 come in and have sex

00:29:13.080 with a younger girl

00:29:13.840 and then record it

00:29:14.560 and use that as a threat form

00:29:15.760 or paying $50,000

00:29:16.740 to professors

00:29:18.260 or people that are

00:29:19.120 working right now

00:29:19.940 to positively

00:29:21.380 make them look good.

00:29:22.880 How much of that

00:29:24.000 do you think

00:29:24.460 is slowing down

00:29:25.180 in America,

00:29:25.880 meaning China

00:29:27.180 having people

00:29:28.360 internally working

00:29:29.240 on medias

00:29:29.920 or buying media

00:29:30.880 or teachers

00:29:31.580 or professors

00:29:32.220 or influential people,

00:29:33.520 how much of that

00:29:34.240 is still happening today?

00:29:35.900 It's huge,

00:29:37.260 massive scale,

00:29:38.040 not just in the U.S.,

00:29:38.960 but in just about

00:29:39.520 every country.

00:29:40.940 So, for example,

00:29:41.760 in Canada,

00:29:42.460 they had the

00:29:43.000 Sidewinder report

00:29:44.180 from their equivalent

00:29:45.160 to the CIA

00:29:45.760 which detailed

00:29:46.660 how the Chinese regime

00:29:47.980 had basically

00:29:48.580 bought off

00:29:49.140 a lot of politicians.

00:29:50.860 In Australia,

00:29:51.980 this is actually

00:29:52.620 discussion

00:29:53.120 in the mainstream

00:29:54.040 news outlets.

00:29:55.500 It's part of

00:29:56.020 the cultural discussion

00:29:57.240 right now,

00:29:58.180 the degree to which

00:29:59.340 the Chinese regime

00:30:00.060 has bought control

00:30:00.860 of their local politicians,

00:30:02.520 the degree to which

00:30:03.340 the Chinese regime

00:30:03.980 is able to influence

00:30:04.920 the society

00:30:05.500 through things like this,

00:30:06.940 not just at the political level

00:30:08.180 but even at the universities

00:30:09.280 and things like that.

00:30:10.860 In the U.S.,

00:30:11.700 I think the discussion

00:30:12.700 is just starting.

00:30:14.140 It's just now being,

00:30:15.220 I think,

00:30:15.840 the lid is being opened

00:30:16.940 and I think people

00:30:18.020 are going to start seeing

00:30:18.820 the extent to which

00:30:20.140 the Chinese regime

00:30:21.060 has gained control

00:30:22.260 over a lot of our politicians,

00:30:24.260 has gained control

00:30:25.020 over a lot of the decision-making

00:30:26.260 in this country,

00:30:27.020 not just on the financial level

00:30:28.560 but even on some

00:30:29.200 of the direct levels.

00:30:30.820 When it comes to things

00:30:31.800 like the Confucius Institutes,

00:30:34.140 Chinese-funded,

00:30:35.020 you know,

00:30:35.320 language and culture programs

00:30:36.540 at universities

00:30:37.260 where universities

00:30:38.000 are taking money

00:30:39.280 from the Chinese regime

00:30:40.900 when these institutes

00:30:42.380 can implement

00:30:42.960 all kinds of things

00:30:44.260 like censorship and such.

00:30:46.060 They're being called out

00:30:46.820 in a lot of countries.

00:30:47.560 Sweden, for example,

00:30:48.920 just banned the last

00:30:49.980 Confucius Institute

00:30:51.060 from their country.

00:30:52.180 When it comes to things

00:30:53.260 like the Torch Program,

00:30:54.640 the Thousand Talents Program,

00:30:56.380 the 973 Program,

00:30:58.140 the 211 Program,

00:30:59.140 essentially a basket

00:31:00.520 of programs

00:31:01.220 the Chinese regime

00:31:01.900 has official open programs

00:31:03.740 to subvert

00:31:05.040 our academic institutions

00:31:06.520 and our business institutions.

00:31:09.540 They're open

00:31:10.260 about these things.

00:31:12.260 And so the Chinese regime

00:31:13.160 is very aggressive with this.

00:31:14.540 Not only is it aggressive with it,

00:31:15.760 it doesn't even try

00:31:16.260 to hide it in the U.S.

00:31:17.200 because for so long

00:31:18.160 it has acted with audacity.

00:31:20.260 It is not afraid.

00:31:21.500 It wasn't afraid

00:31:22.780 of people looking into it

00:31:24.440 and trying to figure

00:31:24.980 these things out.

00:31:26.800 This is an example.

00:31:28.020 Last I checked,

00:31:28.980 even a few weeks ago,

00:31:30.060 the Chinese consulate website

00:31:31.900 in New York

00:31:32.640 has the United Front

00:31:33.680 listed as one of its operations.

00:31:36.360 It has the liaison department

00:31:38.660 listed as one of its operations.

00:31:40.940 The liaison department

00:31:41.920 is under the general

00:31:42.640 political department.

00:31:43.620 This is the political warfare branch

00:31:45.600 of the Chinese military.

00:31:47.460 We all heard all this stuff

00:31:48.440 about Russian disinformation

00:31:50.060 and Russian interference

00:31:50.960 in our elections.

00:31:51.980 China has an entire

00:31:52.960 military department

00:31:54.080 dedicated to this.

00:31:55.780 The general political department

00:31:57.200 run through the liaison department.

00:32:00.060 operating openly

00:32:01.320 in New York City

00:32:02.120 through the Chinese consulate website.

00:32:04.480 There's a think tank.

00:32:06.320 Project 2049 Institute

00:32:07.820 had a whole report

00:32:09.280 actually on the liaison department.

00:32:11.520 So how many similarities

00:32:14.180 do you see

00:32:15.020 for you to make a statement

00:32:17.720 to say you believe

00:32:18.640 they're going to go down

00:32:19.740 and they're not going

00:32:20.200 to stay like this?

00:32:21.220 How much similarity

00:32:22.100 do you see between them

00:32:22.940 and Russia pre-communism

00:32:24.900 and post-communism

00:32:26.160 when Russia was going strong

00:32:27.960 with communism

00:32:28.540 and then all of a sudden

00:32:29.360 hey, you know,

00:32:30.360 bring the wall down

00:32:31.400 and the next thing you know

00:32:32.480 the philosophy changes.

00:32:34.280 This is post-Gorbachov

00:32:35.540 and things start

00:32:36.140 kind of opening up

00:32:36.900 a little bit more.

00:32:38.300 How much similarity

00:32:39.500 do you see between Russia

00:32:40.360 and China,

00:32:40.820 the old Russia

00:32:41.840 with the current China?

00:32:43.720 The situation

00:32:44.560 is actually very similar

00:32:46.380 on many fronts.

00:32:48.580 And so, you know,

00:32:49.500 whereas the Chinese regime

00:32:50.440 has these systems

00:32:51.500 of overt warfare

00:32:52.900 under the Soviets

00:32:54.940 they called that

00:32:55.760 ideological subversion.

00:32:57.900 This unrestricted warfare program

00:32:59.360 the Soviets

00:32:59.680 would call it

00:33:00.060 ideological subversion.

00:33:01.220 It's the same thing.

00:33:02.180 The Chinese regime

00:33:02.960 just carried the torch of it.

00:33:04.460 When it comes to business ties

00:33:06.140 it's very much the same thing.

00:33:08.360 You had a lot of big corporations

00:33:09.820 manufacturing in Russia.

00:33:11.260 You had a lot of the same

00:33:12.160 overlapping business interests

00:33:14.380 although on the political level

00:33:15.860 there was a lot of conflict.

00:33:17.020 When it came to

00:33:18.160 the academic subversion

00:33:19.600 the communists

00:33:22.020 in the Soviet Union

00:33:23.020 were pushing for

00:33:24.340 the global communist revolution

00:33:26.020 and a lot of academics

00:33:27.020 and a lot of people

00:33:27.820 in Hollywood

00:33:28.320 were working

00:33:29.200 with the Soviet regime.

00:33:31.200 And of course

00:33:31.600 at that time

00:33:32.420 if you were

00:33:33.340 a communist party member

00:33:35.180 for example

00:33:35.820 it meant you were loyal

00:33:36.960 to the Soviet regime.

00:33:39.440 The system

00:33:39.960 is exactly the same.

00:33:41.560 The only difference

00:33:42.120 is that

00:33:42.600 at the time

00:33:43.640 a lot of people

00:33:44.300 recognized

00:33:45.160 the Soviet Union

00:33:46.020 as a hostile

00:33:46.880 nation

00:33:47.320 to the United States

00:33:48.360 because you had threats

00:33:49.500 of nuclear war

00:33:50.340 it was a lot more military

00:33:51.360 you know

00:33:51.880 the perception

00:33:53.180 was a lot more military based.

00:33:55.220 The Chinese regime

00:33:55.840 doesn't have that perception

00:33:57.080 and so they're able

00:33:58.300 to operate

00:33:58.760 with a lot more impunity.

00:34:00.480 They're able to operate

00:34:01.260 with a lot

00:34:01.760 you know

00:34:02.160 a cleaner face

00:34:03.500 essentially

00:34:04.100 for the world

00:34:04.660 to look at.

00:34:06.120 But essentially

00:34:06.880 the situation

00:34:07.800 underneath the hood

00:34:08.480 is all the same.

00:34:09.320 It's exactly the same.

00:34:10.880 And just like

00:34:11.440 the collapse

00:34:11.920 of the Soviet Union

00:34:12.780 I frankly believe

00:34:14.000 that the collapse

00:34:14.560 of the Chinese Communist Party

00:34:15.920 is going to catch

00:34:17.000 a lot of people

00:34:17.460 by surprise.

00:34:18.800 Timeline.

00:34:19.340 What's your timeline?

00:34:21.260 Timeline?

00:34:22.220 Okay

00:34:22.620 here's where I see

00:34:23.500 things playing out.

00:34:25.360 The United States

00:34:26.440 is going to launch

00:34:27.420 an investigation

00:34:28.020 into the origins

00:34:28.960 of this virus

00:34:29.620 and into whether

00:34:30.360 the Chinese regime

00:34:31.080 mishandled information

00:34:32.800 for example

00:34:33.560 through censoring it

00:34:34.540 which allowed it

00:34:35.060 to spread internationally.

00:34:36.780 Left many countries

00:34:37.740 unprepared for it.

00:34:39.180 Many countries

00:34:39.920 are calling them out.

00:34:40.600 Even Iran

00:34:41.300 notably

00:34:42.060 is calling out

00:34:42.640 the Chinese regime

00:34:43.280 for this

00:34:43.840 for lying to them

00:34:45.260 for misleading them

00:34:46.360 about how dangerous

00:34:47.600 this virus was

00:34:48.480 about telling them

00:34:49.180 that it was no big deal.

00:34:50.480 And of course

00:34:50.800 a lot of the leadership

00:34:51.600 have caught the virus

00:34:52.640 and a lot of the leadership

00:34:53.580 is dying from it.

00:34:55.700 In fact

00:34:56.260 there have been some reports

00:34:57.040 noting how strange it is

00:34:58.060 that it seems to be

00:34:58.700 especially targeting

00:34:59.520 the leadership of Iran.

00:35:01.400 Iran is one of the

00:35:02.260 Chinese regime's

00:35:02.840 closest allies.

00:35:04.480 You have the same thing

00:35:05.140 with Russia.

00:35:05.780 They're kicking out

00:35:06.380 Chinese nationals.

00:35:07.380 They're expatriating them.

00:35:09.860 Russia as well

00:35:10.720 bought a lot of

00:35:11.280 Chinese PPE

00:35:12.040 this protective gear

00:35:13.240 for the medical

00:35:14.160 front line workers

00:35:16.860 that's being found

00:35:17.940 to be non-functional.

00:35:19.220 A lot of countries

00:35:20.020 are angry at the

00:35:20.780 Chinese regime right now.

00:35:22.300 Many countries

00:35:23.060 the United States

00:35:23.780 very likely frontlining

00:35:24.920 it are going to launch

00:35:26.580 investigations into this.

00:35:28.460 We know that

00:35:29.100 at the very least

00:35:29.880 regardless of how

00:35:30.660 the virus got out

00:35:31.440 intentional or not

00:35:32.400 lab origin or not

00:35:34.600 the Chinese regime

00:35:35.840 lied to the world.

00:35:37.080 The Chinese regime

00:35:37.640 censored information.

00:35:38.700 It disappeared

00:35:40.460 or arrested individuals

00:35:42.180 who tried warning

00:35:42.920 the world about it

00:35:43.840 and very likely

00:35:45.160 you're going to have

00:35:45.720 the Chinese regime

00:35:46.440 get called out on this.

00:35:47.500 It's going to be

00:35:48.600 called out with

00:35:49.260 these investigations

00:35:50.040 and then right on

00:35:50.960 the heels of that

00:35:51.960 you're going to have

00:35:52.920 international lawsuits.

00:35:55.160 And of course

00:35:55.920 there's a question

00:35:56.620 of whether or not

00:35:57.320 you can hold

00:35:57.800 a country liable

00:35:59.040 when it comes

00:35:59.980 to these lawsuits.

00:36:01.360 But what we're going

00:36:02.020 to see very likely

00:36:02.820 are sanctions.

00:36:04.300 You're going to see

00:36:04.860 all the manufacturing

00:36:05.920 getting pulled out of China

00:36:06.920 of not just the U.S.

00:36:07.920 but many different countries

00:36:09.200 supply chains pulling

00:36:10.600 out of China

00:36:11.200 from many different countries

00:36:12.420 and you're going to see

00:36:13.520 what is very likely

00:36:14.360 going to be

00:36:14.800 an economic collapse

00:36:16.220 inside China.

00:36:17.880 And you're going to see

00:36:18.460 a lot of people

00:36:19.060 out of work

00:36:19.680 very unhappy

00:36:20.320 with the Chinese regime

00:36:21.200 whose belief

00:36:22.400 in the regime

00:36:23.040 has already faded

00:36:24.180 who already no longer

00:36:25.620 believe the regime's

00:36:26.620 narratives

00:36:26.980 who already see

00:36:27.900 through its lies

00:36:28.640 and its propaganda.

00:36:30.000 The Chinese people

00:36:30.520 are not stupid.

00:36:31.340 They know they're

00:36:32.040 getting lied to.

00:36:33.460 If you read

00:36:34.000 what Chinese netizens

00:36:34.820 say about it

00:36:35.600 on a daily basis.

00:36:37.220 It's a joke for them.

00:36:38.820 You know,

00:36:39.060 they joke about it.

00:36:41.240 Now,

00:36:42.260 when it comes to

00:36:43.280 where things are heading

00:36:44.900 internationally,

00:36:46.520 there's going to be

00:36:47.100 a decoupling.

00:36:47.960 The Chinese regime's,

00:36:48.860 you know,

00:36:49.100 facade of this

00:36:50.000 friendly veneer,

00:36:51.000 it's all going to fall off.

00:36:52.900 The Chinese people

00:36:53.920 themselves are very likely

00:36:55.180 going to stop supporting it.

00:36:56.740 And we're going to see

00:36:57.580 a few different possibilities.

00:36:59.300 One is a full collapse

00:37:00.500 of the Chinese regime

00:37:01.420 where very much like

00:37:03.260 the collapse

00:37:03.660 of the Soviet Union,

00:37:04.540 they tried to transition

00:37:05.480 to a different system.

00:37:06.580 That is,

00:37:06.940 of course,

00:37:07.700 dangerous.

00:37:08.420 What we saw

00:37:08.820 with the Soviets

00:37:09.460 was,

00:37:10.520 you know,

00:37:10.960 it collapses,

00:37:11.940 they move to a free market economy,

00:37:13.520 but who has all the money?

00:37:14.900 It's all the former

00:37:15.440 Communist Party leaders.

00:37:17.260 And,

00:37:17.460 of course,

00:37:17.680 they just buy up

00:37:18.320 the natural resources

00:37:19.280 and the businesses

00:37:20.040 and create an oligarchy

00:37:21.660 basically run

00:37:22.440 by the same individuals.

00:37:24.700 Hopefully,

00:37:25.280 China will have learned

00:37:26.120 its lesson from that

00:37:27.100 and they will not

00:37:27.460 repeat the same mistake.

00:37:28.540 Maybe they'll find

00:37:29.020 a better way

00:37:29.820 of going forward.

00:37:31.260 Other possibilities,

00:37:32.400 you'll see a balkanization

00:37:33.420 where local governments

00:37:34.920 basically stop listening

00:37:36.340 to the higher levels

00:37:37.740 of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:37:39.260 We're already seeing signs

00:37:40.540 of that where there's,

00:37:41.660 you know,

00:37:41.860 they're not cooperating.

00:37:43.380 They're not listening

00:37:43.980 to higher authorities.

00:37:45.480 When the Chinese,

00:37:46.580 you know,

00:37:46.800 top-level government says

00:37:47.860 implement this policy,

00:37:48.940 they're not listening to it.

00:37:50.200 We've seen a lot of cases

00:37:51.440 like this.

00:37:52.020 And so there is a possibility

00:37:53.540 of balkanization.

00:37:56.080 And I think through these

00:37:58.740 or a combination

00:37:59.340 of these means,

00:38:00.300 yeah,

00:38:00.520 within maybe a year,

00:38:01.920 I don't think we're going

00:38:02.880 to have the Chinese Communist Party

00:38:04.160 anymore.

00:38:04.880 You're saying within a year?

00:38:06.040 That's a bold statement.

00:38:07.500 Yeah,

00:38:07.980 and I really think

00:38:09.440 that's where it's heading

00:38:10.140 based on these

00:38:11.200 different trajectories.

00:38:14.040 A year,

00:38:14.620 you're saying,

00:38:15.420 okay,

00:38:16.640 so here's the other question.

00:38:17.820 How united are we

00:38:19.240 on this belief

00:38:20.140 that you just shared

00:38:21.020 in U.S.?

00:38:21.680 Are Democrats

00:38:22.540 and Republicans

00:38:24.080 on the same page

00:38:25.200 about China today?

00:38:27.140 It does seem so.

00:38:28.880 China is one of the few

00:38:31.080 bipartisan issues,

00:38:32.360 not just when it comes to,

00:38:33.800 say,

00:38:34.440 the way it's handled

00:38:35.180 this virus.

00:38:35.780 You know,

00:38:35.980 I think with this virus,

00:38:36.960 it's a little complicated

00:38:37.820 because it's being politicized

00:38:39.960 to a degree.

00:38:41.820 A lot of the left,

00:38:43.400 you know,

00:38:43.520 the Democrats,

00:38:44.060 for example,

00:38:44.380 they do want to say

00:38:45.320 Trump mishandled this

00:38:46.820 and some of the articles

00:38:48.080 you've seen from,

00:38:48.840 you know,

00:38:49.220 big media,

00:38:49.720 which do lean left,

00:38:50.700 they've actually been used

00:38:52.140 a lot by the Chinese regime

00:38:53.440 in its propaganda

00:38:54.100 because,

00:38:55.200 you know,

00:38:55.380 they're trying to shift blame

00:38:57.200 to the United States

00:38:58.160 saying the United States

00:38:59.240 did not handle things well

00:39:00.220 and so on.

00:39:01.020 That's one of their big narratives.

00:39:02.580 But really,

00:39:03.260 at the top level,

00:39:04.020 when it comes down to it,

00:39:05.000 it does seem like

00:39:05.640 this is a bipartisan issue.

00:39:08.060 You know,

00:39:08.420 left and right,

00:39:09.420 Democrats,

00:39:09.980 Republicans,

00:39:10.380 they do seem to

00:39:11.520 be recognizing

00:39:12.980 the Chinese Communist Party

00:39:14.140 for what it is.

00:39:14.800 In fact,

00:39:15.100 there have been

00:39:15.360 some public polls

00:39:16.260 on this

00:39:16.720 asking,

00:39:18.040 you know,

00:39:18.240 people,

00:39:18.780 you know,

00:39:19.020 what do they think

00:39:19.620 of the Chinese Communist Party?

00:39:21.240 What do they think

00:39:21.880 of China's handling of this?

00:39:23.060 And for the most part,

00:39:23.960 it seems people

00:39:24.520 are on the same page,

00:39:25.900 Republicans and Democrats,

00:39:27.320 that they see through it.

00:39:28.820 That would be the biggest thing.

00:39:29.760 If we're on the same page,

00:39:30.720 this can happen.

00:39:31.340 But if the media

00:39:31.880 is constantly pinning,

00:39:32.880 saying,

00:39:33.180 no,

00:39:33.400 it's not China's fault,

00:39:35.000 it's U.S.'s fault,

00:39:36.240 no,

00:39:36.480 it's not U.S. China's fault.

00:39:37.560 If we're not united,

00:39:38.480 I don't foresee

00:39:39.060 that taking place

00:39:39.780 because what helped

00:39:41.580 different countries

00:39:43.740 go through a revolution

00:39:44.940 was a backing

00:39:46.040 from a,

00:39:46.680 you know,

00:39:47.760 behemoth country

00:39:49.300 like U.S.

00:39:50.260 to say,

00:39:50.780 yes,

00:39:50.960 we support the revolution.

00:39:53.180 If U.S. doesn't do that,

00:39:54.820 China's not going to go

00:39:55.780 through that process.

00:39:56.960 They will be bullied

00:39:57.920 by the government.

00:39:58.680 I believe so

00:39:59.440 over and over

00:40:00.560 and over again.

00:40:01.400 By the way,

00:40:01.860 how much have you looked

00:40:02.800 into what happened recently

00:40:04.500 when Yahoo put out

00:40:05.520 the article

00:40:06.040 with this recent doctor,

00:40:09.020 the researcher

00:40:10.500 on the verge

00:40:10.980 of making

00:40:11.280 very significant

00:40:12.000 coronavirus

00:40:12.620 finding shot to death?

00:40:14.120 How much have you

00:40:14.800 investigated that so far?

00:40:16.580 Only a little bit,

00:40:17.560 but I can give

00:40:18.860 some additional insights

00:40:20.160 into that

00:40:20.740 if you'd like.

00:40:21.880 Please.

00:40:22.220 Just in terms of the

00:40:23.340 periphery

00:40:24.440 of issues like this.

00:40:26.120 Now,

00:40:26.560 of course,

00:40:27.040 there was this doctor

00:40:28.240 who was allegedly

00:40:28.960 on the front lines

00:40:29.900 of, you know,

00:40:30.520 making some big breakthrough

00:40:31.620 with this virus.

00:40:32.460 I did have some people

00:40:33.300 email me

00:40:34.380 saying they knew

00:40:35.040 this individual.

00:40:36.320 After that came out,

00:40:37.340 I haven't verified it yet.

00:40:39.900 What I've been told

00:40:41.280 is he was working

00:40:42.140 on a vaccine

00:40:42.820 and he was very close

00:40:43.820 to completing that vaccine.

00:40:45.820 That's what I've been told.

00:40:47.060 I haven't fully verified it yet,

00:40:48.780 so take it for what it's worth.

00:40:50.740 It's not clear

00:40:51.640 who the individual was

00:40:52.780 who killed him.

00:40:53.600 It does appear to be

00:40:54.400 someone who knew him.

00:40:56.720 Now,

00:40:56.980 a few different pieces

00:40:58.160 of this.

00:40:59.860 Now,

00:41:00.180 for me,

00:41:00.580 this does bring to mind

00:41:01.580 a few different investigations

00:41:02.780 I've done.

00:41:04.040 For example,

00:41:05.040 there was a case,

00:41:07.780 for example,

00:41:08.480 several years ago now

00:41:10.620 where there was a murder

00:41:11.840 in Texas

00:41:12.420 of an entire

00:41:13.240 Chinese family.

00:41:14.940 Father,

00:41:15.620 mother,

00:41:16.260 children,

00:41:16.800 all murdered

00:41:17.340 in what appeared

00:41:17.940 to be a very professional

00:41:19.100 hit job.

00:41:20.400 You know,

00:41:20.960 it looked like

00:41:22.400 a professional

00:41:22.920 hit job,

00:41:23.640 basically.

00:41:24.980 They were all executed.

00:41:27.180 There were reports

00:41:28.300 in China

00:41:29.120 that it came out

00:41:30.620 that Zhu Yongkong,

00:41:31.700 the former securities

00:41:32.740 are,

00:41:33.380 called for that murder.

00:41:35.200 That was never verified,

00:41:36.800 but there were reports

00:41:38.040 in China saying that.

00:41:39.140 And at the time,

00:41:39.720 Zhu Yongkong was facing trial

00:41:41.240 through this whole

00:41:42.180 anti-corruption campaign.

00:41:43.380 He was being purged

00:41:44.280 by the top-level leadership.

00:41:46.300 And so,

00:41:46.740 it is possible

00:41:47.640 that hits like this

00:41:48.800 can take place.

00:41:49.640 Allegedly,

00:41:50.140 the individual in Texas

00:41:51.180 who was killed

00:41:51.860 was involved

00:41:52.820 in some big oil deal

00:41:55.160 that was going on

00:41:56.020 that Zhu Yongkong

00:41:56.600 was wrapped up in.

00:41:57.820 I did look into that

00:41:58.760 a little bit.

00:41:59.220 He did have a lot

00:42:00.800 of overlap

00:42:01.460 with certain

00:42:02.800 high-level

00:42:03.440 Communist Party

00:42:04.460 figures,

00:42:05.960 including ties

00:42:06.820 to Jiang Zemin,

00:42:07.760 the former head

00:42:08.320 of the Chinese Communist Party,

00:42:09.600 which would have been

00:42:10.220 Zhu Yongkong's

00:42:11.020 political camp,

00:42:12.240 because there are

00:42:12.880 different factions

00:42:13.740 in China.

00:42:15.580 That was never

00:42:16.360 fully verified,

00:42:17.100 but again,

00:42:17.620 there were reports

00:42:18.220 in China about that.

00:42:20.200 A few other cases,

00:42:21.680 just as an example,

00:42:22.700 I never actually talked

00:42:23.400 about this publicly,

00:42:25.080 but in New York,

00:42:26.960 for example,

00:42:27.600 when I was doing

00:42:28.200 a lot of my investigations,

00:42:29.760 one of my sources

00:42:30.560 was a former Chinese spy

00:42:31.960 who actually helped

00:42:33.860 the Chinese regime

00:42:34.560 develop a lot

00:42:35.240 of its overseas,

00:42:36.200 say,

00:42:36.520 overt espionage systems,

00:42:38.680 for example,

00:42:39.360 working with these

00:42:40.140 fraternal organizations,

00:42:41.420 which we call Tongs.

00:42:43.780 He told me

00:42:44.900 about several murders

00:42:46.120 that had taken place,

00:42:47.920 and these murders

00:42:49.260 were allegedly tied

00:42:50.160 to spy versus spy

00:42:52.160 things among

00:42:53.460 basically Chinese

00:42:55.620 military spies

00:42:56.540 and Chinese government

00:42:57.460 spies infighting

00:42:58.760 on foreign soil,

00:43:00.020 namely,

00:43:00.620 in this case,

00:43:01.160 U.S. soil.

00:43:02.620 And the two of the murders

00:43:03.820 were pretty brutal.

00:43:04.980 One of them

00:43:05.460 was an individual.

00:43:06.660 They tied him

00:43:07.200 to a chair,

00:43:08.360 cut his throat,

00:43:09.160 and then set him on fire.

00:43:10.700 With him,

00:43:11.400 all the evidence

00:43:12.060 was, of course,

00:43:12.680 destroyed.

00:43:13.860 The other individual

00:43:14.620 was a Chinese woman

00:43:15.700 who was killed.

00:43:17.020 The individual

00:43:17.640 who killed her

00:43:18.160 was apparently

00:43:18.640 a boyfriend,

00:43:19.740 and he cut out

00:43:20.740 one of her organs

00:43:21.520 and had it on his person

00:43:22.860 when he was arrested.

00:43:24.720 Now,

00:43:25.080 when I was trying

00:43:25.640 to investigate this,

00:43:27.060 some very strange things

00:43:28.380 came up.

00:43:29.060 Well,

00:43:29.400 one is,

00:43:30.000 it ended basically

00:43:31.240 because people

00:43:32.180 I would have needed

00:43:33.320 to interview

00:43:33.740 were dead

00:43:34.300 or gone

00:43:35.800 or would not talk to me,

00:43:37.760 and because,

00:43:38.780 for example,

00:43:39.540 in the fire,

00:43:40.260 evidence was destroyed,

00:43:41.800 but the people

00:43:42.680 who did talk to me

00:43:43.440 told me the same thing.

00:43:45.140 They said that this was,

00:43:46.640 that, you know,

00:43:46.980 for example,

00:43:47.680 one of the individuals

00:43:48.680 was a spy,

00:43:49.840 a Chinese government spy,

00:43:50.900 and the individual

00:43:52.100 who killed that person

00:43:53.300 was also a Chinese spy,

00:43:55.340 but it was infighting

00:43:57.020 between military spies

00:43:58.300 and government spies.

00:43:59.940 Point being,

00:44:01.140 between these two cases,

00:44:03.280 these people do things

00:44:04.540 like that to each other.

00:44:06.360 Whether the,

00:44:06.980 if the Zhu Yong Kong case

00:44:08.140 was true,

00:44:08.800 that, you know,

00:44:09.300 killing an entire family

00:44:10.420 in Texas,

00:44:11.440 having them killed

00:44:12.200 through a hit job,

00:44:13.500 which was what was alleged

00:44:14.480 in China

00:44:15.060 in some of these reports,

00:44:16.620 you know,

00:44:16.860 that might have been the case.

00:44:17.760 You do have suicides,

00:44:20.600 sometimes very bizarre suicides,

00:44:22.480 when there are investigations

00:44:23.800 underway into the Chinese regime.

00:44:26.340 For example,

00:44:27.080 when Huawei

00:44:27.740 was first being called out

00:44:29.840 when, you know,

00:44:30.520 this top-level

00:44:31.320 Huawei executive

00:44:32.740 was arrested

00:44:33.400 in Canada,

00:44:35.140 for example,

00:44:36.340 you know,

00:44:36.600 you do have things like

00:44:37.520 there were people

00:44:37.920 going to kill themselves

00:44:38.820 and people do suspect

00:44:40.380 that maybe foul play

00:44:41.360 was involved.

00:44:42.460 Yeah,

00:44:42.580 the difference with this is

00:44:43.780 the guy that killed him

00:44:44.940 went in the car

00:44:45.580 and then killed himself.

00:44:46.620 So I don't know

00:44:47.060 if it was that much

00:44:48.540 of a hit job

00:44:49.460 because what hit men

00:44:50.400 kills themselves?

00:44:51.220 That's their business,

00:44:52.120 you know,

00:44:52.340 so whether it was

00:44:54.140 something more,

00:44:55.080 you know,

00:44:55.380 motivation,

00:44:56.260 I don't know what it was.

00:44:57.160 I'm curious to know

00:44:57.760 what comes out of it

00:44:59.100 with where this goes.

00:45:00.560 By the way,

00:45:00.900 final thoughts,

00:45:01.520 I'll give it to you,

00:45:02.880 is what,

00:45:03.800 you know,

00:45:04.800 as you're going,

00:45:05.960 this is what you do.

00:45:07.320 Some people wake up

00:45:08.180 in the morning

00:45:08.660 and they're stockbrokers,

00:45:09.860 all they do

00:45:10.260 is study the market.

00:45:11.160 Some people wake up

00:45:11.860 in the morning,

00:45:13.020 they're doctors,

00:45:13.700 all they do

00:45:14.060 is read articles

00:45:14.700 on what's going on

00:45:15.440 with the field

00:45:16.320 they're a part of.

00:45:17.000 Some people wake up

00:45:17.660 in the morning,

00:45:18.560 they're in real estate,

00:45:19.320 they read every article

00:45:20.080 having to do with real estate.

00:45:21.580 What is the latest

00:45:22.520 you know

00:45:23.380 about what's going on

00:45:24.780 with China right now

00:45:25.740 in regards with

00:45:26.720 U.S. and China?

00:45:29.220 Well, right now

00:45:29.820 there's a big propaganda battle.

00:45:31.660 This is the big area

00:45:33.380 right now.

00:45:34.600 The United States

00:45:35.440 is of course

00:45:35.980 calling for investigations

00:45:37.200 into the Chinese regime,

00:45:38.280 conducting investigations.

00:45:39.720 There are international calls,

00:45:41.600 you know,

00:45:41.780 Europe,

00:45:42.320 different countries

00:45:42.820 in the EU,

00:45:43.900 UK,

00:45:44.940 Australia,

00:45:45.780 Canada.

00:45:46.460 I mean,

00:45:46.740 you name it,

00:45:47.260 they're calling

00:45:47.600 for investigations.

00:45:49.140 And the Chinese regime

00:45:50.080 is trying to challenge

00:45:51.060 those investigations

00:45:51.980 through threats,

00:45:52.960 through diplomatic threats.

00:45:54.420 They're trying to challenge

00:45:55.300 those investigations

00:45:56.180 through financial threats.

00:45:58.240 They're trying to challenge

00:45:59.260 those investigations,

00:46:00.340 name, you know,

00:46:00.820 especially through

00:46:01.420 this new propaganda push

00:46:02.620 where they're trying

00:46:03.000 to shift blame

00:46:03.740 and say the United States

00:46:05.480 did not handle

00:46:06.320 its response

00:46:07.080 to the virus well.

00:46:08.300 And they're trying to say

00:46:08.900 the Chinese regime

00:46:10.220 was being responsible,

00:46:11.820 held off the virus

00:46:12.740 for two months

00:46:13.340 while the rest of the world

00:46:14.140 could prepare for it.

00:46:15.960 And of course,

00:46:16.500 that's very easily debunked.

00:46:18.560 The Chinese regime

00:46:19.340 was, you know,

00:46:20.020 lying to the world

00:46:20.940 about the severity of it,

00:46:22.140 was relying to the world

00:46:22.940 about human-to-human transmission,

00:46:24.940 covered up it,

00:46:25.780 you know,

00:46:26.120 covered up the fact

00:46:26.860 there was human-to-human transmission

00:46:28.300 even when they knew

00:46:29.200 it was the case.

00:46:30.580 And then in the meantime,

00:46:31.540 before they alerted the world,

00:46:32.680 went and had,

00:46:33.620 you know,

00:46:34.040 actually through

00:46:35.140 the United Front,

00:46:35.900 as a matter of fact,

00:46:36.780 there were some reports

00:46:37.460 in Canada

00:46:37.920 saying the United Front

00:46:39.080 was involved in this.

00:46:40.220 Had all their foreign,

00:46:41.740 you know,

00:46:42.740 networks go and buy up

00:46:44.100 all the PPE,

00:46:45.300 this protective gear,

00:46:46.520 before they told

00:46:47.220 the world about it.

00:46:48.300 And so they were able

00:46:48.880 to corner the entire

00:46:50.340 global market

00:46:51.280 on these protective

00:46:52.760 medical gear.

00:46:54.260 You know,

00:46:54.820 this is where it's at,

00:46:55.580 this narrative battle.

00:46:56.880 And they've already

00:46:58.180 pretty much lost

00:46:58.940 the narrative battle,

00:46:59.920 it seems.

00:47:00.900 It's going to be

00:47:01.220 very interesting

00:47:01.760 what happens next.

00:47:02.660 Obviously,

00:47:02.920 everybody's following

00:47:03.600 very closely.

00:47:05.000 How can people

00:47:05.820 find you, Joshua?

00:47:07.460 They can find my show

00:47:08.900 Crossroads with Joshua

00:47:10.600 Phillip on YouTube.

00:47:11.680 They can also go to

00:47:12.680 theepochtimes.com.

00:47:14.700 T-H-E-E-P-O-C-H-T-I-M-E-S.com.

00:47:17.600 Joshua, again,

00:47:18.280 thank you so much

00:47:18.880 for making the time

00:47:19.500 to be a guest

00:47:19.960 on Valuetainment.

00:47:21.080 My pleasure.

00:47:21.800 Thank you.

00:47:22.100 Thanks, everybody,

00:47:23.200 for listening.

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Valuetainment - July 10, 2020

Episode 489： China’s Unrestricted Warfare Could Lead to Collapse in One Year

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