Valuetainment - Episode 491： The Impact Of Heated Debates & Arguments

00:00:00.000 30 seconds did you ever think you would make it i feel i'm so close i could taste sweet victory

00:00:07.200 i know this life meant for me yeah why would you bet on goliath when we got bet david

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00:00:24.200 with the recent uh debates taking place whether it's with the pandemic coronavirus vaccine

00:00:28.560 black lives matter there are so many different debates taking place that it's making a division

00:00:33.820 between friendships family so today in this episode i want to talk to you about the impact

00:00:38.780 of heated debates and arguments look when it comes down to debate you got a lot of different topics

00:00:42.740 to debate and some of them get more heated than others for example i asked the question the other

00:00:47.740 day on twitter saying what debate topic leads to the most arguments here's what was said this is

00:00:53.380 some of the ones that came up vaccine anti versus pro coronavirus you know capitalism versus socialism

00:01:00.860 minimum wage school and religion pro-life versus pro-choice messi versus ronaldo who's the greatest

00:01:05.880 soccer player of all time jordan versus lebron basketball player censorship dogs versus cats feminism

00:01:12.640 racism aliens ai guns climate change gets heated taxes should we have flat tax or progressive tax

00:01:21.080 immigration the wall government spending health care coke versus pepsi prostitution church versus state

00:01:28.980 lgbtq community 5g shutdown let's open up the economy stimulus checks we're bailing out too many 1.00

00:01:37.080 companies we should be bailing them out drugs marijuana foreign affairs tariffs there are so many

00:01:43.560 topics to debate that too often people are worried about debating or people don't debate often so

00:01:49.880 recently i had a conversation with bobby kennedy we did a three-hour exclusive interview together

00:01:54.840 and i talked about a lot of different things we talked a lot about vaccines anti-pro we talked a lot

00:01:59.840 about coronavirus we talked a lot about a lot of things but one of the things came up i said look

00:02:04.100 your position to take with vaccine has upset some of your family members three of your relatives wrote

00:02:10.760 an open letter and they called you out they said rfk we love you but you are wrong how do you feel

00:02:17.960 about the fact that your own family wrote a public letter open letter to you how do you feel about that

00:02:23.920 here's his answer powerful answer kennedy's have 105 different kids in the family so it's a very big

00:02:30.160 family he said that's not a big deal and my family here's how i was raised i was raised in a family

00:02:35.720 of 12 i've come home every night and my parents would force us to debate different topics my dad

00:02:41.660 would say do you think lst is good for you what do you think about fascism in italy what do you think

00:02:46.980 about the economy what do you think about this what do you think about that he said we were constantly

00:02:51.280 forced to debate each other so much that that was part of the family so to me it's okay that one of my

00:02:56.860 family members is coming after me publicly we're used to that can you imagine that mindset of that

00:03:02.160 family constantly challenging the kids to be debating different topics so if you're somebody

00:03:07.420 that's sitting there saying oh my gosh i don't like to do that because i don't want to ruffle people's

00:03:12.100 feathers or if you're somebody that you're like you can't even help yourself you always want to

00:03:16.380 get good about it to get into an argument i want to give you the next part because there there are

00:03:20.780 some things you ought to be thinking about when you are debating here's the reality of it

00:03:24.020 opposing ideas create conflict opposing ideas anti-pro anti-vaccine pro-vaccine they debate

00:03:34.380 they have different ideas they debate oh i've used to research research research they debate and then

00:03:39.980 boom we have some truth that comes out right so remember opposing ideas create conflict conflict

00:03:47.320 leads to debate debate leads to clarity best possible solution new ideas the key would debate

00:03:56.020 disclaimers proper debate what do i mean about proper debate so again opposing ideas creates conflict

00:04:02.620 conflicts leads to debate debate leads to clarity best possible solution new ideas they go at it here's

00:04:09.300 what we came up with minimum wage we don't need a minimum wage they go out of they come up with an idea

00:04:14.800 taxes let's raise taxes let's lower taxes boom they go at it immigration go at it until something

00:04:21.120 comes and i keep this in mind there are some ideas that's about personal preference like for instance

00:04:25.520 coke versus you know pepsi who cares it's a taste that's about your taste dogs versus cats there is nobody

00:04:32.980 that's right in dogs versus cats or lebron versus jordan yes you can go to the data and show the fact that

00:04:39.200 jordan won six championships and never went to game seven and was mvp six out of six and you know

00:04:45.260 averaging 32 points a game that's i get it lebron career stats 30 000 points 8 000 8 000 the guy's

00:04:52.100 been to h yeah i totally get it i get it but it's still situational you can still make an argument for

00:04:59.100 wilt versus kobe versus jordan versus lebron the other ideas the more there is debate can lead to a

00:05:08.520 great idea can lead to something roddy says i cannot believe that's amazing what if we did i like it

00:05:14.260 let's do that that's fair because this side gets covered with this and i don't know about this

00:05:18.260 research i looked at the research done by the scientists great data you know what that does

00:05:23.380 me if that's the case i'm good to go right i'm good to go to do this part so now we've covered all

00:05:27.940 this stuff here my lifetime i've debated a lot of people i've argued a lot of people i eventually came

00:05:34.000 to a conclusion of who i no longer put my energy into i got a call from a friend of mine the other

00:05:39.500 day he and his wife he and i had a conversation together for an hour and a half a a very very

00:05:44.600 successful athlete and he brought up some topics that they're debating going back and forth and i

00:05:49.540 said look i made i made a decision a long time ago who i do debate who i don't debate he said who

00:05:54.480 are they here's who i do debate and i'm willing to have a real discourse with going back and forth

00:06:00.640 to have a real conversation together and who i will not entertain here's who it is number one

00:06:05.540 if somebody had a life-changing event that led them to the opinion of what they have the position

00:06:12.780 that they have i'm not debating it for example if we're talking about guns right i'm military i have

00:06:19.600 guns i believe you ought to have guns to protect yourself but that's my position my background i was

00:06:24.420 born and raised in iran so you couldn't have anything so the government control so my life

00:06:30.020 experience has required me to protect my family but if i talk to somebody and in their house

00:06:35.720 they left a gun alone in a in in the drawer one of their kids gets it and it kills somebody

00:06:42.000 i'm not debating that person that costs their kids life i'm not debating it i just let that part

00:06:48.840 be done by itself and let them go out there and experience it and let them do their own research and

00:06:53.620 maybe one moment by themselves they're going to make that decision it is not on me to sit there and

00:06:58.020 debate a life-changing event that caused them to go there that's a different story number two if

00:07:05.420 somebody who is stubborn or their know-it-all or they don't do research and they're lazy what is the

00:07:11.560 purpose of having the debate meaning if somebody just wants to argue to want to argue and get under your

00:07:16.700 skin if you catch yourself debating with them you are them if you wrestle with a pig you're a pig if

00:07:22.260 you debate a fool you are the real fool so don't let a fool get you to go to his level

00:07:25.920 you've heard this before i'm not the first person that's telling you this you've seen these memes

00:07:29.500 or quotes that people post those communities i don't put a lot of energy into who do i put an

00:07:35.880 energy into somebody that believes in an idea because of traditions meaning you're a republican

00:07:42.440 because your entire family has been in the military so you're pro-republican great let's debate it okay

00:07:47.540 you're a democrat because you're a middle eastern or you're latino or you're african-american

00:07:53.200 your entire life you've been voting this way because that's what you're supposed to do

00:07:56.380 let's debate it like if it's tradition family you know uh it's just how we've done things our entire

00:08:02.720 lives and they've never been challenged and pushed and they're willing to have that argument and

00:08:06.600 they're willing to have that debate together let's talk about it let's have a discourse together

00:08:09.840 and then the other part is education university professor and mentor so even if they're here

00:08:16.000 and they're stubborn i have no time but if they're here and they're willing to have an educated

00:08:21.940 debate it's beautiful when that takes place when couple ideas go together and you're sitting there

00:08:26.860 one time i was at a restaurant in glendale and and my friends and i it was like eight of us

00:08:33.280 everybody's important to me at that table we're sitting there and all of a sudden the debate came

00:08:39.060 up one of the guys in this place used to be a very strong christian he had a fall and i would

00:08:45.040 a pastor so he is now completely against christianity and he's all about you know uh atheists 1.00

00:08:53.140 or agnostic or you know i don't know if god exists very strong opinions a math guy so it's a lot of

00:08:58.940 logic and he used to sell god in a very logical and emotional way he's had a big falling out then

00:09:04.360 there's another guy here who is somebody that's gone through it as well probably 10 years older than

00:09:09.640 him a lot of experiences ran a big business did well for himself in new york was making 16 million a

00:09:15.540 year good good education and then there's a guy over here who's very well read in the bible

00:09:20.860 and they went at it i sat there for an hour and a half said nothing and just listened to them go

00:09:29.000 these were all reasonable men they were all well read men they were all questioning the right topics

00:09:36.260 they were all being respectful that hour and a half if it was recorded it would have 10 million views

00:09:42.940 it was so beautiful to see something like that take place when you experience a beautiful debate

00:09:48.580 amongst people that are willing to allow the ideas to clash without going personal and name calling

00:09:54.380 you become wiser afterwards because you have all the books all the life experiences of three four five

00:10:00.160 people that are going at it that that is that is a hundred plus years two hundred plus years of

00:10:06.080 effort put into an idea that you get to just witness right there you're like wow that was a beautiful

00:10:11.460 thing now this whole thing about name calling all this up politics in the last couple decades has

00:10:15.220 gotten a little bit uglier than it ever was before because people are not going after you know personal

00:10:20.140 and all this other stuff and social media and all these things sometimes you don't get a real

00:10:23.680 debate i think if they created some criterias that if you're going back and forth with debating

00:10:28.720 and you're purely debating a topic and there's a point system that if you go personal to me

00:10:34.320 or to the person you're getting away from the idea you lose debate points kind of like when you're

00:10:39.000 boxing and you go low you lose a point if you go below the best the same thing here if in if in a ufc

00:10:46.020 john jones had a loss his first fight he got a loss because he was elbowing the person on the ground and

00:10:52.720 at the before the committee he was a part of he could do that but he couldn't do it in ufc

00:10:56.700 he crushed the guy but he got a loss because it's points taken you can't do that if we allowed

00:11:03.020 debates to be more around the topic for debating rather than going personal i think it would be

00:11:08.400 more fascinating and by the way for some of you guys that are watching this i did an interview with

00:11:13.000 dennis prager this last week on live i'll give you the link to watch on exactly what minute to go

00:11:17.380 because it is an hour you don't need to watch the whole thing if you choose it's an entertaining one

00:11:20.560 but i'll say exactly where to go there was a part with dennis prager and i dennis prager

00:11:25.040 has been listened to for three four decades by tens of millions of people tens of millions of people

00:11:33.580 many years ago 10 15 years ago he and i used to go to a friend's house in malibu who's a billionaire

00:11:39.020 owner of public storage it's worth about four or five billion dollars and his community would come

00:11:43.240 together and there would be beautiful debates and it's only like 40 50 of us at the house great

00:11:48.300 experience i took a lot of friends to this place to see it so dennis was on and i said dennis in a

00:11:54.100 perfect world would do you think america's very divided right and i said do you think it's good

00:11:58.660 that america's divided right and he says no i said do you think in a perfect world it'd be better if

00:12:03.700 everybody got along he says yes he says i believe if everybody agreed with my ideas this would be a

00:12:09.900 better place i said if everybody agreed with your ideas you wouldn't have a job because your entire

00:12:16.640 job is about debating and then he says that's fine i don't care about not having a job i want to make

00:12:22.600 sure our ideas are together i don't think there's anything wrong with debate i don't think there's

00:12:29.180 anything wrong with proper debate as long as it doesn't get personal because this is the idea getting

00:12:34.140 a black eye if the idea gets a black eye it's okay if you want to go after human beings everybody's 0.58

00:12:39.820 flawed everybody's got issues the only difference between somebody that's more flawed than another

00:12:43.900 person is that person's information is more public the other person's not there's not a single person

00:12:47.960 that doesn't have some internal flaws or issues or challenges or vices that others don't know about

00:12:52.560 some are more public but an idea let him get a black eye as much as possible let him get a black eye as

00:12:58.480 much as possible that's why beautiful discourse if done properly on any of these topics it's wisdom

00:13:03.980 sometimes people watch my debates and they say i don't like the way you push the guy that you were

00:13:08.780 interviewing i just feel like you're this and you're that i said i agreed with the guy i was

00:13:13.800 interviewing but i interview to challenge an idea to see if i can get more clarity and the audience

00:13:21.200 can get more clarity to say uh-huh i didn't think about that before sometimes i sit with a guest and

00:13:26.840 i disagree with them but i'm pushing them on an idea because i want to get my own clarity as well

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Valuetainment - July 14, 2020

Episode 491： The Impact Of Heated Debates & Arguments

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