In this episode, Patrick sits down with DKU, who flew all the way from South Korea to share with us his modern day warfare combat system. DKU talks about how he got started in martial arts, how he became a martial artist, and how he overcame a brain tumor that doctors told him he had less than 3 months to live.
00:00:00.000I'm Patrick, baby, host of iTunes, and I'm sitting down with DKU, who flew here all the
00:00:26.120way from South Korea to share with us his modern day warfare combat system. A lot of people call
00:00:31.400him the modern day Bruce Lee, but it's a very different kind of an interview. If martial arts
00:00:36.440interests you, you're going to like today's interview. We flew him out here all the way from
00:00:40.360South Korea. He is here with his translator, but he also speaks English. So sometimes he'll be
00:00:45.240answering. If he doesn't, his translator will also be answering for us. Having said that, DKU,
00:00:49.600thank you for being a guest on Vailetainment. Appreciate you for coming out. Thank you for
00:00:53.020also coming out. No problem. So I'm curious, you know, how did you get into martial arts?
00:00:57.900How did you get into who you are today? Again, we know you from the videos that we've seen.
00:01:02.300It's intense, some of the stuff that you do. But how did DKU become DKU?
00:01:05.900I'm a coach who is a world-class coach, and I'm a coach who is a business coach.
00:01:14.380He's a role now martial artist. He's a mental educator and also a businessman entrepreneur.
00:01:20.140So what happened, and that's great, but what happened for you? Like, what was the turning point, and how did you get introduced to martial arts?
00:01:28.220Oh... I have 1988 and 1989 have a thinking of restoring the
00:01:48.100So I realized that I had a lot of movement and a lot of movement and a lot of movement.
00:01:52.100And I realized that I had to overcome the disease of living in the world,
00:01:55.600and that I realized how strong human beings can change the life of life.
00:02:00.600So I realized that after that, I learned about living and human beings,
00:02:05.600and I realized that I learned about human beings in the world,
00:02:56.600And from then on, he kind of had an epiphany.
00:02:59.600You know, the will to survive is greater than anything.
00:03:03.600And he started seeing as a way of life and combining, you know, movement philosophies that he's been learning and basically creating warfare combat system.
00:03:16.600WCS is his business pretty much in present day.
00:04:19.600But more philosophy, more somebody that was how to meditate, how to calm yourself down, how to control your emotions, more an expert in that area, right?
00:09:31.240So back in the day, not anymore apparently, but he was considered like Alexander the Great because he's the one that combined all the different types of martial arts that was, you know, prevalent back in the day and created this new form that was more efficient and practical, basically.
00:09:38.240He made it practical. Got it. And so you, at 10 years old, you don't know Bruce Lee. How old were you the first time you heard about Bruce Lee?
00:09:43.240So back in the day, not anymore apparently, but he was considered like Alexander the Great because he's the one that combined all the different types of martial arts that was, you know, prevalent back in the day and created this new form that was more efficient and practical, basically.
00:10:00.620He made it practical. Got it. And so you, at 10 years old, you don't know Bruce Lee. How old were you the first time you heard about Bruce Lee?
00:10:07.240You don't know Bruce Lee till mid-twenties? Yes. That's intense to say that. Because you move just like him. No, I'm telling you, you know how you watch Kobe and you put Jordan next to each other, you kind of see similar movements? When you, when you see some of the ways you're doing certain things, it's very similar. So, so who did you watch? Like, because you're 40 years old, which means in South Korea, where are you getting your content?
00:10:37.220Like, what are you watching? Like, what are you watching? Is it videos? Is it movies? Is it books you're reading? What are you watching to get your style of fighting? How do you learn the moves?
00:10:44.220Well, there really wasn't anybody that he was looking at in the media that, you know, sparked the enthusiasm.
00:10:53.220That's, is anybody locally that he went and watched? Because, because I almost feel like, you know, because if that's not the case, then what you're trying to say is it came out spiritually out of him, right? It's almost like a spiritual thing you're doing. But for something like this, that's a skill, some of the stuff that's skill, you got to kind of watch somebody to do it, right? Who was the person that, did he train somewhere locally? Did he go to a certain master locally? Was there anybody like that or no?
00:20:01.660So what he calls the first level is rough state, or the surface state, and that deals with the surface of the ocean where there's waves crashing, all kinds of stuff happening.
00:20:14.380어떤 감정들, 예를 들어서, 식이나 질투나 분노와 수많은 감정들을 위해서 인간의 의식이 흔들리죠.
00:20:20.940So there's different emotions involved with how calm a person is when it comes to their consciousness.
00:20:29.380그런데 우리의 의식 수련을 하게 되면, 우리의 의식은 조금씩 조금씩 내려가면서 움직임이 없는 의식 상태로 내려가게 됩니다.
00:20:37.580So with training, with mental training, what happens is that you're going deeper than the surface state, where a lot of things are happening in the surface, but less things are happening in terms of water current and things that you can actually see.
00:23:33.380He didn't have like a great master, a great background that backs him up.
00:23:36.380So, when he got famous, a lot of people were pretty jealous.
00:23:39.380So, when he did a seminar in Germany, what happened is that these jealous groups kind of put in a false alarm to the police that he was traveling with guns and drugs.
00:23:52.380So, while he was doing the seminar, the police came and took him away.
00:23:59.380So, while he was doing the seminar, the police came and took him away.
00:26:45.380he got to a point where he can, you know,
00:26:48.380you know just to say he can physically feel what his consciousness meant to him and what it is
00:26:55.380in itself so he recognized it and that in turn kind of gave him this ability to
00:27:02.780to not fear anything when that happened in that state what was your immediate reaction because
00:27:08.520uh there's an author called i believe his name is david schwartz but maybe it's not david who's
00:27:13.320the guy that wrote uh power versus force uh oh hawkins it's david hawkins david schwartz is a magical
00:27:19.400thinking big so he talks about in this book power versus force that runners experience this when
00:27:26.120they're running and there's a breaking point you hit and you go past it and eventually you feel like a
00:27:30.360higher power spirit is with you was it that kind of a sublime experience you had that felt spiritual
00:27:36.760where you all the fear eliminated so what what kind of got him to that point 아까 얘기했던
00:27:41.160대로 몸과 마음의 긴장을 계속해서 없애는 겁니다 계속해서 이완을 하다 보면은 우리가
00:27:47.240어느 순간에 그 의식을 느낄 수가 있어요 그러니까 이게 지금 아까 제가 얘기했던
00:27:50.840대로 세 단계가 있는데 그 세 단계를 어느 정도에 내가 와 있다 어느 정도
00:27:54.840와 있다라는 것을 정확하게 알 수가 있습니다 그리고 그 상태에서 깊은 상태에 가게
00:27:59.080되면은 내 몸과 내 의식이 결국에 하나고 이것이 건드릴 수 없는 거지만 내가 건드릴 수 있는
00:28:07.000하나의 에너지 덩어리라는 걸 느낄 수가 있을 단계가 있어요 그거는 이제는 그 제가 하는 수련에 다 얘기가 있죠
00:28:14.680정리가 돼 있죠 so it's hard to explain right i'm actually really curious what you just said
00:28:20.440it's mental training and and it's all in his methods his wcs methods um but it's it's
00:28:28.280it's like you were saying you it's like runners high pretty much um you you set a goal and you you set
00:28:36.440out to achieve it and that's essentially what happened to put it simply um and the three levels
00:28:42.520of consciousness became like something real for him it wasn't like like a goal anymore it's it's he like
00:28:48.520he felt it as it came um what happened in that moment when it came like what did he do what
00:28:54.040what did he when he felt it what did he do did he step away from training and just have an emotional
00:28:58.840breakdown like what was what what was that moment like 몸 에너지가 굉장히 강하게 느껴졌죠
00:29:04.040굉장히 강하게 어 빛 같은 어떤 강력한 느낌을 얻고요 그 이후에 자성이라는 그 어떤 그 내 의식이
00:29:12.520내 몸을 이끈다 라는 거 강력한 걸 알았어요 그러니까 그 미디어 퍼스트 라는 거 내 의식이 먼저 가면 그 의식에 따라서 몸과 결과는 따라간다 라는 걸 알았죠 그래서 2015년 전에는 제가 세계적으로 유명해지지 않았지만
00:29:24.5202015년 이후에 그 어떤 깨달음을 얻었을 때 전 세계적으로 어 나는 유명해진 사람이 될 수 있다 이렇게 될 수 있다라는 강력한 의식을 얻었고 지금 50번의 세미나를 하고 지금 미국에도 와 있죠 그게 미디어 퍼스트 먼저 가 있는 그 의식에 따라서 우리의 결과 몸은 따라간다 라는 거에요
00:29:44.520so before this happened so as this was happening he said he kind of saw like a bright light and felt his body kind of fill up with energy and he realized that
00:29:54.520he was talking about his book is be there first it's it's it's what he's describing is that his mind is already there and it's already been set for him
00:30:03.520and 2015 was a turning point where that consciousness just became real it became something powerful that he knew that he can achieve all these goals you know 50 seminars
00:30:15.520worldwide pretty much became world famous in the martial arts world in a martial arts world so prior to 2015 did he have a lot of fears and anxiety and if yes what were they
00:30:25.520yes of course what were they what were just what were just what were just a lot of fear
00:30:29.520아 그 여러가지가 있었죠 뭐 미래에 대한 거 아니면 뭐 싸움에 위한 거 뭐 여러가지 있었지만 그런 것들을 이제 덜어내기 위해서 이제 이완을 하고 이완을 하고 이완을 하고 이완을 하면서
00:30:39.520계속해서 조금씩 조금씩 갑자기 사라진 건 아니고 조금씩 조금씩 조금씩 사라지면서 탁 사라지게 된 거죠
00:30:44.520So just like an average Joe, you know, concerns about the future.
00:30:48.700What's going to happen if I lose a fight?
00:34:49.140언어나 이런 이론적이나 도서를 봐서는 알 수 없는, 각에 도달해야지만이 자기가 체험을 통해서 알 수 있는 부분이 있죠.
00:34:56.560그들은 이제 그거를 정확하게 얘기했고, Buddha는 인도의 문화에 따라서 그걸 설명했고,
00:35:00.840Jesus는 Jesus의 문화에 따라서 얘기했고, Socrates은 Socrates의 문화에 따라서 얘기했지만 그의 목적은 같아요.
00:35:05.940결국에는 인간의 깊은 의식상태에 들어가서 행동하고, 생각하고, 그쪽에서 삶을 사는 거죠.
00:35:11.840So what he's trying to say is that, you know, Buddha grew up in India. Jesus was, you know, in the Middle East, and Socrates is ancient Greek, I guess.
00:35:22.840So they all had their cultures, cultural input into what they were studying, but essentially what they were striving for is exactly the same.
00:35:30.840And it does not come from, you know, studying the language or, you know, reading a book or anything.
00:35:36.840You can only experience that once you get to that deeper state of mind.
00:35:41.840A certain level of enlightenment, is that kind of what he's referencing?
00:36:03.840So he doesn't really do it anymore, but he did it for three years in 2012, 2013, and 2014.
00:36:09.8402012, 2013, and 2014 is when we're training. Got it.
00:36:12.840Is the South Korea police and the military big into martial arts? Like, is it a part of regimen?
00:36:17.840Because I know, I believe, Israel defense, Israel's military is now in Krav Magra.0.73
00:36:24.840I think that's what they're training. Is South Korea big on teaching martial arts? And if yes, which one is it? Is there a certain one that they teach the most?
00:42:07.160So, he thought Conor was really creative. So, he thought Conor was really creative.
00:42:14.160Creative for him doing that? Yes. Okay. What art trains that? I've never seen that before. What form of art trains that?
00:42:22.160So, in MMA, he's going to get to it, but the rules are pretty broad. But the
00:42:42.160thing is that he's going to get to it. So, it depends on the distance that you create from you and the opponent. So, rather than punching with your fists, in that type of situation, it's way easier for you to strike with your shoulder. So, Conor
00:43:02.160Conor McCreary, I think it's a good idea. It's not a specific... It's not an art. It's a specific art. It's not a specific art. But he thinks that Conor properly figured this is the best way to go, to strike with my shoulder. And that's why he did it. I mean, that's crazy. I've never seen that before. You know, do you think he was inspired by you to do that, or no? You think maybe he saw it somewhere else? Yes. Yeah.
00:43:31.160Yes. Yeah. I think. So, you think he saw a clip of yours to do that? I think, yes. Yeah. I've never seen that. And what I noticed, the difference, you kind of come in when you do it, but he kind of went up, you know, when he did it. It was interesting, the angle he took, because Ceron's slightly taller. He went up than he went straight on, which was maybe he was using a little bit of legs and reaching. I don't know what it was, but that was pretty epic when I saw that. The angle. Mario, if you can hit that one more time, even the first one. Let's just see the first one on how he does it. Okay. So, if you're
00:44:01.140look at this, it's about to come out the first one. He pushes up, right? He's almost going like this. Hit the next one, let him keep going. And then he sees another opportunity. This one, he goes straight, because he's lower. And then he jumps up with the last one as well. Man, that's, uh, knowing how hard this feels, how painful is it to get hit by the shoulder? Is it sometimes more painful than a punch?
00:44:28.140So, if you get hit in the chin, it's, it's fatal.
00:44:33.140With the shoulder? Yes, of course. Fatal. You can kill somebody. With the shoulder. Wow. Well, we're glad nothing happened here, but that looked pretty, like a pretty intense, uh, match right there. Can you pull up the next one? Here's the next one I want to show.
00:44:45.140Uh, Ryan Garcia. I don't know if you follow Ryan Garcia, boxer. He's coming up. He is part of Oscar De La Hoya's camp. De La Hoya's one of my investors.
00:44:52.980And, uh, you know, Ryan Garcia had a fight a few weeks ago. And they show this clip, I hope we have it, that it's next to each other on how he's training.
00:45:01.640And he's practicing this punch over and over. And then when it comes into real life, uh, if you have it, press it. I want him to, I want him to see this.
00:45:11.420Okay. If you, if you notice this one here, so they're fighting. Okay. Do you have the other one or no?
00:45:18.340So he throws a punch. Boom. Gone. Right. Can you go back to it again?
00:45:25.320I mean, do it again. Go back one more time. So he's about to, Fonseca's throwing a punch.
00:45:37.160How fast do you have to be to have the instincts to respond to that?
00:45:42.260Uh, as a guy who's taking the punch? No, no. I'm talking Ryan Garcia. When you watch this, his eyes are not twitching. Look at his eyes. His eyes are still open. He's not like closing his eyes and throwing a punch.
00:45:53.220He knows exactly what he's doing. You can tell this guy's trained this and throwing this punch 20,000 times to know exactly what to do.
00:45:59.940But what I'm wondering, how much of this is speed, how much of it is instinct?
00:46:03.260지금 저 펀치 같은 경우는 일단은 그 펀치를 하기 전에, 가르쉐가 저 상대방의 습관을 일단 먼저 읽은 거예요.
00:46:09.440So before this attack happened, this connection happened, what Ryan Garcia was able to do is figure out the opponent's habits.
00:46:40.480잽을 할 때 내려가는 걸 보고 있다가, 자기가 원하는 거리에 들어오게끔 계속해서 그 상황을 기다리고 있었던 거예요.
00:46:46.560So what happened is that Ryan Garcia was just waiting for this to happen.
00:46:51.320So he recognized this habit that the opponent had, which is, you know, and he just wait for the right moment, and the right distance to deliver that blow.
00:51:43.540So the first fight that they had, he thinks that Conor didn't really have all the information on Khabib.
00:51:51.800So he didn't really figure out his game before he went into the fight.
00:51:55.460And when they fight for the second time, if he can play with the distance and figure out the distance and the timing, Conor is probably going to win that fight.
00:56:54.940So, you think size matters, because you know, sometimes in martial arts, a lot of the criticism of martial arts gets is that they don't think it's about size.
00:57:03.940It's about whoever's quicker, whoever's more strategic, but you're saying whoever's a bigger guy has the advantage. I'm curious.
00:57:27.940So, in like an MMA rule settings, basically, if it's like a combat sport, he thinks heavyweights are going to pretty much outclass anybody.
00:57:39.940If you get into a car accident with, you know, like a big Mack truck, then if you're in a mini, then you're not going to survive that, right?
00:57:45.940But, you know, contrary to what he's saying, a lot of the people in the martial arts community would disagree with that.
00:57:52.940And what he was saying, he followed up with, it's different if you're in a combat situation where it's life or death, or if it's in a ring somewhere.
01:04:27.720In the movie, when Mickey dies, it's a similar scene.
01:04:29.500Do you think most people experience that when they have somebody that, especially if they had a rough life like Tyson who had somebody that comes and becomes a father figure and gives them that hope and they leave?
01:04:40.940How do you replace that confidence with that person that leaves your life?
01:04:44.960Sometimes you rely on a person that brings you confidence.
01:04:47.320What happens when this person dies and leaves?
01:04:48.820How do you still maintain that confidence?
01:10:57.120그래서, first of all, he respects all MMA fighters and what they're doing for the industry and everything.
01:11:03.220But when it comes down to it, if UFC or Dana White is willing to come up with a fight, you know, that has an enthused audiences, he can, he's saying that he can fight anybody.
01:20:05.020자, 무방비로 있을 때 상대방이 때릴 수도 있고 갑자기 잡았을 때 반응을 못하는 거죠.
01:20:12.020So when the opponent strikes you or grabs you, then you can't really react to it if you're just kind of naturally, you know, nonchalant about it.
01:20:20.020그래서 싸움이 만약에 벌어지게 된다면 그 거리 안에서 굉장히 긴장을 하고 있어야 됩니다.
01:25:59.680yes so uh step step step이나 step이나 리듬이 없이 그냥 walking go
01:26:06.320even the working on the trigger 나오는 거예요 so this is going to come out naturally as he walks
01:26:10.960he's not going to do any crazy jumps or anything like that
01:26:16.720this so that's me yeah so interesting so you walked in you didn't even do anything and then
01:26:21.920bone so you're increasing the acceleration at the last minute so you're increasing the acceleration
01:26:26.480at the last minute 그러니까 상대방이 있을 때 이렇게 하게 되면 상대방이
01:26:30.400알 수 있지 않습니까 상대방 없이 조용하게 가서 마지막에 impact 만 주는 거죠 so you're almost silent
01:26:37.200until you get to the point of striking you're almost silent until you get to the point of striking
01:26:41.920okay what else what are the form of kick 다른 킥 yes so sidekick is better yes
01:26:51.920Yes. What's more power? That or the side? The side. Okay. Yes, more. Yes, back kick.0.99
01:27:04.860That's intense. That's intense. So you did one you did low, one you did low right here. Then you did the walk where you just came in and you did the knee. And then you just did the one now. What else is there?
01:27:17.420Some other kick is there. Yes, this kick is not there. Yes, that's right. So you're going to kick a little higher.
01:27:31.420So, it's going to look like he's coming from this side, but it's actually not come from this side.
01:27:42.420And then the back of the back of the back.
01:27:45.820And then the back of the back of the back.
01:35:53.020So he's going to create the illusion of, you know, he's letting you attack with the distance.
01:35:58.020And with fighters, it's very discreet.
01:36:00.020It can be like an inch of difference, and that makes all the difference.
01:36:04.020So he's going to keep, if he is Conor, then he's going to keep going in and out, giving that illusion that I'm giving you the distance to attack before he attacks.
01:36:11.020Then Habib would, you know, he's going to keep going in and out, giving that illusion that I'm giving you the distance to attack before he attacks.
01:36:18.020Then Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:25.020Then Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:32.020Then Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:33.020Then Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:37.020Then Habib would, you know, his strategy would be if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:37.860Then Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:41.020Then Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:45.020Um, means Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:46.020Um, hmm, 그러면 Habib would, you know, his strategy would be, if you're in my distance, I'm going to go in, right?
01:36:49.020Then Habib would also use illusion that's right, because you're striking.
01:36:50.180Then Habib would also use illusion that's right.
01:36:52.020But then he goes down and picks him up and gets the legs and it's over cause that's what he wants, okay.
01:36:54.020And then he goes down and picks him up and gets the legs, and it's over, because that's what he wants.
01:37:01.020He's going to hit him when he's going to hit him.
01:37:05.020So, as you create the illusion, that's where the striking comes.
01:37:08.020So, the illusion doesn't last the whole way.
01:37:12.020You just give that appearance, and then you strike.
01:37:17.020Who's better at the illusion game? Khabib or Conor?
01:37:20.020Who's better at the illusion game? Khabib or Conor?
01:37:22.020I think Conor's first fight, I don't think Conor did a very good job at creating that illusion.
01:37:34.020But, in general, Conor's first fight is better at creating the illusion.
01:37:36.020He's going to keep the distance, and keep the distance, and keep the distance.
01:37:42.020But overall, Conor's tactics and distance, I think he's better than Khabib.
01:37:47.020In illusion? Just specific in the illusion side?
01:37:50.020Yes, I mean, illusion is just a word, right?
01:37:53.020But gauging the distance is also kind of an illusion, I guess.
01:37:57.020But it's also the very, you know, tactical position. It's a strategy.
01:38:02.020Did you watch Masvidal's fight? Did you watch Masvidal when he knocked out, I think it's Ben he knocked out with the knee in eight seconds? Did you watch that?
01:47:08.060So it's all about where you position yourself and the distance that you create, so it doesn't matter where you hit, like your entire body is pretty much a weapon at that point.
01:47:16.060So it's all about positioning yourself and just figuring out what's the most effective way to get this guy down.
02:01:31.320When you stand in physicalism, your mind and your mind are an innovation that has been in life.
02:01:38.840du Schedule to show up during the set of there.
02:01:41.080So remember, when you're first political people and you know it's new every part of their own!
02:01:43.820So it's quite universal across the board because he has students that are like politicians, you know, doctors, businessmen, entrepreneurs in South Korea.
02:02:01.820They're not coming in to learn martial arts. They're coming to him to learn the mindset and the balance between the physical and the mind.
02:02:11.820And simply creating the optimal environment for self-growth and self-development.
02:02:17.820So through self-development, you can kind of elevate your game in anything that you do.
02:02:23.820So he's not focusing just on the martial arts. It's a way of life.
02:02:30.820So you can, you know, apply that into your business principles.
02:02:34.820Is he a big self-help guy? Is he a big business book reader? Does he read a lot of books?
02:03:03.820Yeah, I know who you were talking about.
02:03:04.820Yeah. Interesting. So you, you, is most of the stuff you read on breathing, meditation, and your mental state, or do you read business books and self-help?
02:05:16.820So it's like a culmination of different philosophies that he's learned over the years.
02:05:25.820And it's like a melting pot of those concepts that, you know, he found it true in itself, and that it could help other people.
02:05:34.820So, you know, throughout our lives, there's objective views and subjective views, right?
02:05:47.820So this book kind of allows you to look at yourself, look at your life, emotions, goals, everything in an objective point of view, so that you can kind of pick out what's good for you and what's bad for you.
02:05:58.820And like I said earlier, it's a culmination of different philosophies and ancient texts, something that he's learned along the way.
02:06:05.820This chapter's names are pretty casting aside interpretations.
02:06:11.820Discarding old habits, ultimate goal of decay, understanding anxiety and fear, analytical psychology, human mind and behavior, the beginning of knowing light and shadow.
02:06:25.820True meaning of good fortune, transcending the body, free will, power of stopping, the heat of the will, facts and interpretations.
02:06:51.820There's also a website that you have that people can go to find you and social media if you want to go messaging because you're on Instagram, you're active on Instagram.