00:00:28.600But all I can tell you is brace yourself because you're about to learn a ton from a guy who had a lot of involvements.
00:00:35.360His hands were involved in a lot of different things he did in politics, working with Richard Nixon, Bush, Reagan, and now Trump.
00:00:42.140And he doesn't hold back in this interview.
00:00:44.360So if you like politics, if you enjoy the understanding and the games behind politics, you're going to love this interview with Roger Stone.
00:00:52.180Thank you so much for being a guest on Valuetainment.
00:00:54.220Patrick, I'm really honored to be here.
00:00:56.360But, you know, and after 16 months of being unconstitutionally gagged by a federal judge, let's just say I have a lot to say.
00:01:08.060So, Roger, a question for you before we get into all these different topics that we can get into.
00:01:12.700Obviously, there's a lot of different issues going on today.
00:01:14.540I want to hear your thoughts about where you're at.
00:01:16.060But there's one thing you say where you say there's four stages of fame, which is who is Roger Stone, get me Roger Stone, get me a Roger Stone type, and then who is Roger Stone?
00:01:34.600Well, that's the cycle of a career, whether you're in broadcasting or sports or entertainment or business.
00:01:43.640When you begin, of course, you're not well-known.
00:01:46.320When you accomplish things, you are well-known and people want your talents.
00:01:51.800After you're no longer in the game, people want somebody just like you.
00:01:55.480And then over time, people forget entirely who you were and whether you left a mark on this world.
00:02:01.580My goal was to leave a mark on this world.
00:02:04.840I have spent four decades fighting for the things that I believe in, and that is constitutional liberty, the U.S. Constitution, maximum personal freedom, small government, a strong national defense, and the United States of America.
00:02:21.900And you take a lot of slings and arrows.
00:02:24.480People have to remember that when someone wins an election, that means someone loses an election.
00:02:30.420And the person who loses the election is never happy about it.
00:02:36.760So, you know, I have no apologies to make.
00:02:39.760I've spent four decades in the rough and tumble of American politics, and I called them as I saw them.
00:02:46.260And although I am a Republican, I really believe that the Republican-Democrat divide is a Hegelian device that's just used to divide us.
00:02:56.180The real divide in America is between the insiders who have run things for 30 years and an outsider, in this case, Donald Trump, someone who comes to Washington and completely threatens to upset the status quo, who halts the country's brunting over the cliff to globalism.
00:03:17.300Which is why the two-party duopoly, the political establishment in Washington, has been so anxious to get rid of this man because he threatens their cozy little relationships.
00:03:29.300He threatens the way they have lined their pockets at the cost of the American people.
00:03:35.760So, you know, I have nothing to apologize for.
00:03:47.340I keep reading in every article about me over the last year, self-described dirty trickster Roger Stone or self-proclaimed dirty trickster Roger Stone.
00:04:00.420Or as CNN said the other day, Roger Stone, who has proclaimed himself the dirty trickster of American politics.
00:04:09.840Patrick, I have never proclaimed myself that or called myself that.
00:04:13.560I have pointed out that others have called me that.
00:04:17.520I've said that I'm consigned to the fact that it'll be in my obit, probably on my gravestone.
00:04:22.460But I have not engaged in any activity that isn't the same as the activities of my contemporaries.
00:04:30.620And most specifically, I'm prepared to do anything to elect my candidate short of breaking the law.
00:04:39.000So, but the question I want to ask is, who is Roger Stone?
00:04:42.420So, for example, if I was in high, I mean, I know the stories about in high school when, you know, you were looking at the election and John F. Kennedy was running.
00:04:50.560And, you know, you're looking at the two and you're going out there saying, you know, I think they're going to make school day on Saturday.
00:04:55.460And you already knew how to get people to be convinced on different sides.
00:04:59.100But if I'm in high school with you and you're not 17, 18, I'm talking to the 14-year-old Roger Stone.
00:05:07.380Well, let's see, the 14-year-old Roger Stone was someone who lived in a rural area where there were no children my age within 25 or 30 miles.
00:05:38.260My sisters are much younger than I am.
00:05:40.980I was the president of my class and the president of the student body in my high school two years in a row, having been elected as a junior and also elected as a senior.
00:06:05.540I got all my sacraments in the church.
00:06:08.060I don't believe every iota of Roman Catholic dogma, but I very recently reaffirmed my belief in Christ.
00:06:17.980It's helped me enormously get through this ordeal in which the full weight of the federal government is placed on you in an effort to get you to do something dishonest.
00:06:29.620In my case, testify falsely against the president of the United States.
00:06:34.420It takes enormous fortitude to refuse.
00:06:37.060They hold out a path that would take all the pressure off of you, that would relieve all your personal and financial and family stress.
00:06:49.320And I had to pray to God for support in that decision.
00:06:53.080I realize this is not a religious program and I'm not trying to proselytize, but I am trying to answer your question about who I am.
00:07:01.040I'm a father, I'm a grandfather, I'm a great grandfather.
00:07:05.680I found great solace in the support of my family during this entire ordeal.
00:07:11.180My wife, Nadia, who's suffering from rheumatoid arthritis, has completely supported my decision to plead not guilty, to not roll over on the president, even though she knows our path might have been easier had we done so.
00:07:27.480She's been behind me 100 percent and she suffered through the late nights of anxiety and the panic attacks and the other things that people don't see.
00:07:59.660He got a strategic arms limitation agreement with the Soviets, opened the door to China, ended the war in Vietnam, desegregated the public schools, saved Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
00:09:54.580I mean, you know, I had I would be tormented on the school bus because I was carrying political books and interested in topics that no one else cared about.
00:10:05.140The 1968 election took place when I was in high school and I was a very big supporter of the comeback of Richard Nixon.
00:10:13.680Nobody else in my class cared about the election.
00:10:16.680They were all interested in sports or girls or cars or all these other things.
00:10:24.740You know, for somebody to take it to the levels that you took it where you don't take.
00:10:30.640I mean, one of your rules is your 10 rules is what you're saying?
00:10:34.160The fact that, you know, attack, attack, attack, never defend, you know, always be on the offensive.
00:10:40.160You know, all these things that you talk about with your 10 rules.
00:10:42.380We'll get into that here in a minute is for somebody to be that shippy and to have that kind of a drive to go beat the opponent, whatever it takes in a most creative way.
00:10:55.220There has to there has to be an event that really moved you as an individual.
00:11:00.340Was it an event that really pissed you off and you said, I'm going to prove a point?
00:11:04.300Was there a woman that left you public humiliation, a loss, an ass whooping?
00:11:08.480Was there anything like that that happened that created the fire in you or was it just this is how you were born from day one?
00:11:16.200Well, I guess I had some resentment of the fact that my parents didn't they didn't make it through high school.
00:11:25.160They were very hardworking religious people.
00:11:29.520We were lower middle class, not upper middle class.
00:11:33.740I saw the privileged kids in my school whose parents gave them clothes and cars and nice vacations.
00:11:42.840So, yeah, I had some resentment and that resentment drives you, drives you to succeed.
00:11:49.260It drives you to demonstrate that you are as good or as better.
00:11:53.560It means you have to work harder, means you have to be more dedicated.
00:11:57.680But we did that. You know, my father was a well digger.
00:12:04.100He and his brother ran a company where it was a rural area.
00:12:10.400So if you owned a home, you had to drill your own artesian well and put in your own pumping system if you wanted to have drinking water or water to bathe with or cook with.
00:12:20.160And he ran an old fashioned chop drill where essentially a metal bit hits the ground over and over and over again.
00:12:28.700He would leave for work every morning about six by 36.
00:12:33.460He would come home at the end of the day around six, completely covered with mud, just caked with mud.
00:12:40.300My mother would hose him down in the backyard and she would serve him dinner.
00:12:44.380And then he would go to bed and he would wake up the next morning and do the exact same thing every day, six days a week.
00:12:52.240Sunday, we went to church and he took the afternoon off.
00:12:55.980You know, Patrick, I never heard him complain.
00:13:02.280When I introduced him to Ronald Reagan in Norwalk, Connecticut and said, Governor Reagan, this is my dad.
00:13:08.060I could not have seen my father be prouder of me and everything I had accomplished.
00:13:12.700In his own way, he was a great man, a simple man, a man who believed deeply in his Catholic faith, a man who believed very much in thrift and hard work, but a man who gave everything so that his children could be educated and have a better life.
00:13:28.200That's very interesting when you're telling that story about where you were at.
00:13:33.500So you're growing up around privileged kids.
00:13:35.140Typically, when somebody is raised around privileged kids and you experience some of that anger, my dad worked at a 99 cent store.
00:13:42.860So I relate the fact that, you know, when your dad works at a 99 cent store in Inglewood, your parents get a divorce.
00:13:48.120You kind of got a little bit of a chip on your shoulder.
00:13:50.520But typically, when you're around others that are privileged, wouldn't you become a Democrat instead of a Republican?
00:13:57.160What caused you to want to become a Republican over being a Democrat?
00:13:59.880When I was 11 years old, just before I turned 12, the woman who lived next door to us, who was wealthier than we were, but a very nice lady, gave me a copy of a book called Conscience of a Conservative by Barry Goldwater.
00:14:18.540And until that time, I had aspired to be an actor.
00:14:42.640They realized that had I tried that, I would have starved to death.
00:14:45.840But once I read this book, I was, I was transfixed.
00:14:51.140I now knew exactly what I believed in.
00:14:53.280It was the first time I'd seen anybody codify the things that I felt that we needed a strong national defense, that we needed to limit the size and cost of government, that we needed maximum personal freedom, that communism was inherently evil.
00:15:08.900And that it was a real danger to our society, that this was the greatest country on the face of the planet, and that the people who founded it had undergone extraordinary hardships to build the union that we enjoy today.
00:15:24.820And I knew at that point that I wanted to be in politics.
00:15:28.500There was a brief period of time when I thought about being a candidate, but I'm really not the extrovert that I try hard to be.
00:15:38.520I'm actually somewhat more introverted, and therefore I became more interested in the mechanics of politics, of the back room of politics, of how to get people to, you know, to legitimately, of course, vote the way you want them to.
00:15:53.180The use of sophisticated polling data and advertising techniques and messaging and that end of politics.
00:16:02.880And then I figured out that politics was really show business for ugly people.
00:16:13.600By the way, you talked about earlier when you were talking about Trump, you mentioned the fact that insiders and outsiders, and you said, here's a Trump that's coming up from an outsider wanting to compete with a bunch of insiders.
00:16:28.020But he got somebody like you to help him out.
00:16:31.000Wouldn't you be like the capital insider to get?
00:16:34.340Because if there's anybody that's an insider, it's you.
00:16:37.060Wouldn't that be the case when he hired you?
00:17:07.800The party would get decimated if we nominated him.
00:17:11.720We need someone more moderate or maybe even someone more liberal.
00:17:15.520The Republican establishment in New York State was supporting George H.W. Bush, a guy who couldn't figure out whether he was from Connecticut or Texas.
00:17:24.520The cowboy boots and the pork rinds didn't fool anybody.
00:18:41.020So he may not be eloquent, but he's always articulate.
00:18:44.640You always know exactly where he stands, which is why as early as 1988, I began thinking of him as a presidential candidate.
00:18:54.180I was right in my assumption that over time that the country would tire of career politicians from both parties who promised great things at election time and then never deliver them.
00:21:54.820So would you consider yourself almost, just to kind of get an idea, and I'm not talking about the lobbying side of it, we'll get to that here in a minute, but do you see yourself somebody as, like in Hollywood, there's a manager that has talent that they represent, or in the NBA, NFL, there's agents and managers that represent a certain talent.
00:22:13.420Are you somebody that you sit there and you actually look at people and say, that guy can be a president one day.
00:22:27.020I think I can assess political talent, which, you know, is a combination in the television age, in the mass media age of charisma, of ability to communicate, the ability to talk, as you know, in short, understandable sound bites.
00:22:45.080It's the most dangerous thing in politics is not being wrong.
00:22:50.100The most dangerous thing in politics is being boring.
00:22:52.520When a candidate for public office is boring, when they really have nothing to say, when they play it safe and they just keep producing platitudes for the American people, voters view politics like they view entertainment.
00:23:12.480They turn you off and they start to look elsewhere.
00:23:14.360There's nothing more dangerous in politics than trying to ride out the clock when you're in an election going into the homestretch and you're ahead by, say, five points.
00:23:25.600And therefore, you decide in the closing days to say nothing controversial, to not rock the boat.
00:23:31.140When you're sitting still in politics, you're losing.
00:23:34.180You're only gaining when you are moving.
00:23:36.660And moving means taking risks, expressing ideas, being out there on the cutting edge, and entertaining the voters and engaging them in a way in which they see something interesting in your candidacy.
00:23:51.200So are you saying if Romney would have hired you, he would have been president?
00:23:55.340Well, that guy was so phony, I'm not sure even I could have elected him.
00:23:59.220I mean, he was in three debates and he was three different guys three different times.
00:24:02.800As I said earlier, the voters can spot a phony a mile away.
00:24:08.000A guy who says, I'm severely conservative, no conservative would ever describe themselves that way.
00:27:07.900He's the leader of a political movement, but he's not a politician.
00:27:12.860He never really aspired to be a U.S. senator.
00:27:15.880He toyed with running for governor, and fortunately, he became convinced that Albany was too small for him, which it was.
00:27:23.680His destiny was to be right where he is.
00:27:26.840I think he was the right man at the right time to stop this country from hurtling over the cliff to globalism.
00:27:32.880I think he's not only was he the only, was he the Republican who could beat Hillary Clinton, he was actually the only Republican who could beat Hillary Clinton.
00:27:45.640Well, if you look at Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, in those blue-collar, working-class Democratic precincts, he runs five to seven points ahead of where Mitt Romney ran or where John McCain ran.
00:28:01.860He could win the votes of working-class Democrat union member voters where they could.
00:28:12.640And those folks can spot a stiff a mile away.
00:28:15.880And he's also not a cranky old man like John McCain was.
00:28:19.260That is, it's so true, the fact that working men, they're around other working men, and their body language is what they're looking at, so they can see when they're looking at certain people on what to vote for and what not to vote for.
00:28:32.160You know, sometimes you watch the news, and you watch Times, and you watch people's behavior, men's behavior change based on who the president is.
00:28:41.300When Clinton was president, you saw a lot of people take some of his style.
00:28:45.040When Obama was president, it was his style.
00:28:46.840When Bush was president, they took a little bit of his.
00:29:20.320You go and look at a lot of these candidates.
00:29:22.420What are some, no matter what you need, for somebody to have the goodies to become the president of the United States?
00:29:27.880It's a very hard thing to put your finger on.
00:29:32.280But in this age of mass communication, in the age of television, whether it's really now cable or satellite or broadcast TV, I think there's a certain charisma, a certain magnetism, a certain size.
00:29:48.540I don't mean physical size, although Donald Trump is very tall and very broad-shouldered.
00:29:52.660But in 1988, the first time I tried to convince Donald Trump to run for president, and he was, shall we say, mildly amused by my idea, I arranged for him to speak to the Chamber of Commerce in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a couple months before the New Hampshire primary.
00:30:13.700And we took his black helicopter from New Hampshire.
00:30:19.700There were more people there to watch the helicopter landing than who'd shown up for Vice President George Bush at the same location about two weeks previously.
00:30:30.520I think it was the Chamber of Commerce.
00:30:32.420Lunch was sold out, so they had to set up speakers in outer rooms so more people could hear the speech.
00:30:39.400It was the largest crowd they'd ever had.
00:30:45.360Why are we getting ripped off by our allies in NATO?
00:30:49.040Why are we paying a disproportionate share for their defense?
00:30:53.120I could understand it after World War II when they were economically decimated and we were wealthy, but now our economy is struggling and they're wealthy.
00:31:02.680Why aren't they paying their fair share?
00:31:04.840If I were president, and I'm not running for president, folks, but if I were president, I'd make them pay their fair share.
00:32:12.000The late Ross Perot, very well known there where you are in Dallas, and then governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura, who had a relationship with Donald Trump from his days wrestling at the Trump Casino, at the Trump Plaza in Atlantic City, urged him to run.
00:32:32.280To give the president all deference, I think, you know, he would tell you today, well, that was more Roger's idea than mine.
00:32:47.840But he ultimately concluded correctly that one had to be either a Republican or a Democrat to be elected president, that the mechanism did not really exist for the election of a third party or an independent candidate, that you could not get into the national debates either by lawsuit or any other reasonable way.
00:33:10.400It's really a closed job and that he would have to be either a Republican or a Democrat if he ever ran.
00:33:17.760Then for two years, he would just needle me and say, you know, I think I'll run as a Democrat just just because he knew I would I would go insane.
00:33:33.240They were both hardcore Goldwater Republicans, Reagan Republicans.
00:33:37.460Donald was a registered Republican his whole life until he briefly shifted to the Independence Party in New York, which was the affiliate of the Reform Party, so that he would be technically eligible to run for the Reform nomination in 2000.
00:33:55.540The day after he decided not to run, he switched back to the Republican Party and he was on the Ronald Reagan Finance Committee for New York State.
00:34:04.060That's how we met and how we became friends.
00:34:07.980So he has actually always politically been there.
00:34:11.120I remember when he was running for president and many conservatives kept saying he's not a real conservative.
00:34:16.720Really, look at these judicial appointments.
00:34:23.220Look at the way he's rebuilt our military strength.
00:34:26.200I think his credentials have been more than proven.
00:34:29.000So, you know, when you're talking about President Trump, the Chamber of Commerce event that you set up, that he went up and he started talking about all these different things, it almost reminds me of the story of how Reagan, when he got hired by GE, I'm sure you've read this or you know about this, where he would go around giving speeches.
00:34:44.720They were paying him a million dollar year income and he was supposed to talk about how special of a company GE is.
00:34:48.860And he couldn't help himself from talking about politics.
00:34:51.960And eventually they had to let him go because it was too much politics and it wasn't enough about what GE stood for.
00:34:58.480And a kind of a, it was, you know, frustrating GE.
00:35:02.300Do you think a part of, again, I'm going back to seeing the foundation of somebody that you look at to say this person's got what it takes to one day go run for it.
00:35:11.020Do you think it's a person that goes out there and does something where eventually they can become a president?
00:35:17.520If you look at a Nixon, he got the job done, became a president.
00:35:20.460If you look at a Reagan, if you look at a Bush, if you look at a Trump, each one of them had a different thing that led them to become a president.
00:35:28.480What would you say was each one of their strengths that helped them become a president?
00:35:32.360Well, I think in Donald Trump's case, there's a couple of things.
00:35:35.160One, he had built a successful multibillion dollar business.
00:35:38.880Number two, largely because of The Apprentice, everybody in America knew who Donald Trump was.
00:35:46.660The greatest challenge for a presidential candidate, let's take Marco Rubio, for example.
00:35:54.900But let's go out on the street outside your studio and ask the first seven people we see who Marco Rubio is.
00:36:00.620And they're going to tell you they have no idea.
00:36:02.920So in the stages of a presidential campaign, normally speaking, step one is to become well-known.
00:36:10.160You can't tell people what you stand for if they don't even know who you are.
00:36:14.060Donald Trump had the ability to completely not have to go through that because from day one, people knew he was the most successful entrepreneur in the country, if not the world.
00:36:26.280So he already had a brand. He'd worked very hard to build that brand.
00:36:32.340Trump stood for success. Trump stood for quality.
00:36:37.740Trump stood for victory. Trump stood for integrity.
00:36:41.980In the real estate industry, everybody understood that a Trump building would be first class, that everything would be top of the line, whether it's the marble or the glass or the chrome or the design.
00:36:59.060And even in the later years, when he would he would franchise his name, those agreements allowed him to control the quality of what was being built so that his name would never go on anything that was substandard, even if he owned a minority piece of it.
00:37:17.980I think that was a very smart business thing because he did not want to dilute the brand name, which stood for quality.
00:37:26.060The the stature of having that high name ID, the courage to say exactly what you think, not to be a politician who sticks a wet finger in the wind to find out which way the wind is blowing in order to say things that will be popular.
00:37:47.000What can I say that will be popular as opposed to Donald Trump, who says, I'm just going to tell you what I think.
00:37:53.040And voters, I think, found that refreshing.
00:38:05.420Whereas all these other candidates, particularly Hillary Clinton, everybody knew that every word coming out of her mouth had been polled and roundtabled and focus grouped and studied.
00:38:48.380What was their MO that helped them become president?
00:38:51.800Reagan is, you know, it's interesting because Donald Trump has some of the qualities of each of them.
00:38:57.860Like Ronald Reagan, Reagan was a big picture guy.
00:39:02.240Reagan was more than happy to leave the details of governing to his appointees.
00:39:07.760He focused on the big picture, whether it was no tax increases, whether it was rebuilding the military, whether it was taking a hard line against the Soviets.
00:39:39.360No, we will beat the Soviets and our arms buildup required them to try to compete, which then collapsed their economy and down came the wall.
00:39:51.000Reagan was very focused on the big picture.
00:39:54.480Trump is very much like that, very focused on the big picture.
00:39:58.600Nixon, however, has, I should say, Trump has Nixon's persistence, Nixon's stubbornness.
00:40:06.240And I don't mean that in a negative sense.
00:40:08.020I mean, in the positive sense that when he believes something, when he sets out to achieve something, he won't be deterred.
00:40:17.080And as I said earlier, Trump has much of Nixon's toughness in terms of, say, Dwight Eisenhower, who I think is really underrated as one of our greatest presidents because of his self-deprecation.
00:40:32.460In other words, he liked to kind of act like the bumbling old general who didn't really know what he was doing, but he was very smart and very in control of our government.
00:40:42.280And we had unprecedented peace and prosperity under Dwight Eisenhower.
00:41:42.820Qui Moi and Matt Su and the Red Chinese menace.
00:41:45.960The threat of Castro, only 90 miles off our shore, which he accused the Eisenhower-Nixon administration of not doing enough for.
00:41:57.860Yeah, I think when Joe McCarthy went in the voting booth, he probably voted for Jack Kennedy, having dated Jack's sister, rather than his Senate colleague, Richard Nixon.
00:42:08.200So, John Kennedy would have been, had he lived, one of our greatest presidents.
00:42:15.320Now, one of the great misnomers, of course, is that he did anything for civil rights.
00:42:26.160But his vice president, Lyndon Johnson, convinced him over and over again that it was too soon to have a voting rights act.
00:42:33.060It was too soon to have an open housing act.
00:42:35.740It was too soon to have a, you know, an open, you know, a voter, a voter protection system.
00:42:45.400And, of course, as soon as Jack Kennedy was murdered, Lyndon Johnson did all those things that he had reserved for himself.
00:42:52.120Going from a hardcore segregationist who, as Senate president, had killed every single piece of civil rights legislation, other than the 1958 civil rights bill, into which Johnson inserted a poison pill, saying those indicted for civil rights crimes would be tried before state rather than federal juries.
00:43:15.120Well, no Mississippi or Louisiana or Georgia jury would convict a white man of a crime against a black man in 1960.
00:43:25.440So Lyndon Johnson, who was a segregationist and a hater his entire life, is now remembered as the civil rights president.
00:43:44.480It is very hard to understand how he came from nowhere to somewhere so quickly, how he went from being essentially a complete unknown.
00:43:54.180Then he gives an electrifying speech at the national convention, which makes him a national candidate.
00:43:59.900You got to remember the famous conversation recounted in Ted Kennedy's book, where Bill Clinton says to Ted Kennedy, this boy Obama, I don't know, Ted, a few years ago, he'd be carrying our bags and serving our coffee.
00:44:45.520Jimmy Carter, like Reagan in a way, in over his head, swallowed up immediately by the Washington establishment who really didn't want him to begin with.
00:44:55.240He won the nomination of the presidency completely based on an outsider strategy, based almost solely on the voters' revulsion over Watergate.
00:45:05.240But he got swallowed up immediately by Brzezinski and Cy Vance and all of these other establishment figures who essentially destroyed his presidency.
00:45:17.240He also was extraordinarily indecisive, and I don't think you could see that coming.
00:45:26.240When things in the country turned down, the economy was weak, we were being humiliated around the world, instead of taking action, he blamed the country.
00:45:36.240We have a national malaise, you may remember.
00:45:40.240By the way, he's the only former Democratic president who, when I met, treated me quite well.
00:45:46.240He was very warm, and I enjoyed the opportunity to talk to him.
00:46:10.240I really think that he is a functioning psychopath.
00:46:13.240Who do you dislike more, himself or LBJ?
00:46:18.240Oh, Lyndon Johnson is the personification of evil.
00:46:22.240If you read my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, based against LBJ, which is still a New York Times bestseller, still does quite well.
00:46:29.240He was a sadist, he was a crook, he was an alcoholic, he was a pill popper, he was a
00:46:36.240womanizer, he enjoyed humiliating his staff.
00:46:41.240This is why he would conduct White House meetings while sitting on the toilet, in order to embarrass and humiliate the Kennedy holdover Ivy League aides who were still serving on the White House staff.
00:46:58.240The purpose of this was not just his crudeness, the purpose was he did it because he could.
00:47:03.240He did it because he enjoyed the discomfort that it caused others.
00:47:09.240Anybody who wants to understand the psychopathic nature of Lyndon Johnson merely needs to read my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ.
00:47:23.240I'm not an attorney, but in that book I use eyewitness evidence, fingerprint evidence, deep Texas politics and a lot of insider knowledge.
00:47:33.240I think to make a compelling case that Lyndon Johnson has the motive, means and opportunity to kill John Kennedy and his actions immediately after the assassination, while I admit they are circumstantial, certainly bolster that case.
00:47:48.240Roger, when you look at everybody today, both on the left and the right, who do you see as candidates where you say, those three have a shot in the next 20 years to be a president, these three have a shot in the next 20 years to be president?
00:48:12.240I like the idea, and some people will scoff, but I don't really care.
00:48:16.240If the president is reelected, and I think he will be in a very tough contest, then what I would like to see is for him to appoint Donald Trump Jr. as the infrastructure czar.
00:48:30.240Pay him $1 a year, and let him take on the project of working with the stakeholders, the unions, municipalities, and states to rebuild our infrastructure.
00:48:48.240And if over four years he can prove himself in that job, he's got the family name, he's got the speaking ability, he's got the courage, he'll be the age Jack Kennedy was, he could be president.
00:49:03.240Now, that's a lot of ifs, but when it comes down to talent and courage, I think he has those things.
00:49:15.240You know, if I had to pick the person in the U.S. Senate whose politics most closely resemble mine, I would have to say that would be Senator Rand Paul.
00:49:27.240Now, in the television age, I think he himself would admit that he is not a candidate built for the television age.
00:49:34.240He's kind of rumpled and almost looks like a college professor in the way he dresses.
00:49:39.240He's far more interested in policy and principle than he is, you know, whether his suit is pressed or not.
00:49:48.240And had I not been for Donald Trump, who I had certainly an antecedent commitment to, I probably would have voted for Rand Paul as the person I most closely identified with.
00:50:01.240Someone deeply suspicious of the erosion of our civil liberties and the fact that the government's spying on us.
00:50:08.240It's keeping metadata information on our emails, on our phone calls, on our text messages.
00:50:15.240Now they're tracking us through our cell phones to see if we're exposed to the virus, or is that really the reason they're tracking us?
00:50:23.240You're talking to somebody that the government had under surveillance for three years.
00:50:29.240They say two years, but the New York Times says three years.
00:50:32.240I have reason to believe three years is correct.
00:50:35.240So they gave me the full legal proctological examination.
00:50:40.240And as you know, for almost two years, CNN and MSNBC and the New York Times and the Washington Post and the rest of the fake news media said,
00:50:51.240Roger Stone will be charged with treason.
00:50:54.240Roger Stone will be charged with conspiracy against the United States.
00:50:58.240Roger Stone will prove to be the link between Russia and the Trump campaign.
00:51:02.240Roger Stone will be charged with mail fraud, wire fraud, aiding and betting a felony before the fact, cyber crimes, including unauthorized access to a protected computer, receipt and dissemination of stolen data.
00:51:17.240And after examining every corner of my life, my family life, my social life, my personal life, my political life, my business life, they could find no evidence of any of those things,
00:51:31.240which means they lied to several federal judges to get the warrants to violate my Fourth Amendment rights.
00:51:39.240So I'm very concerned about this big government intrusion into the privacy rights of the average American.
00:51:51.240What happened to me, where in the flash of an eye, you can lose your voice, your ability to make a living, your home, your insurance, your savings in the blink of an eye.
00:52:08.240If it can happen to me, believe me, Patrick, it can happen to you or any other American.
00:52:13.240I saw a similar thing happen to Bernard Carrick as well when he was going through.
00:54:52.240The DNC was not the subject of an online hack.
00:54:56.240Now, if you read my indictment, the first five pages are based on that premise,
00:55:01.240but the judge denied me the right to misprove or disprove the underlying premise of my indictment.
00:55:09.240So it'd be like going into a prize fight with both hands tied behind your back.
00:55:14.240And then, of course, as we now know, and then the judge gagged me so that CNN and MSNBC could create a tsunami of disinformation and fake news about me and my case and so on.
00:55:29.240But I was not permitted to respond as to destroy your ability to make a living and your reputation.
00:55:36.240And then lastly, we learned after the trial that the jury forewoman had posted on Twitter and Facebook not just attacks on Donald Trump,
00:55:47.240Trump, which, by the way, alone would not would not disqualify her, but attacks on me personally, starting on the day I was arrested and subsequently and that she hid those during the period of jury selection.
00:56:02.240I believe she misled the court about them.
00:56:05.240And therefore, I was not given, as the Supreme Court requires, a jury that was both impartial and indifferent.
00:56:14.240The only person in the world who thought differently was Judge Jackson in my case, who said the opposite in a decision.
00:56:21.240I have appealed that decision separately from the conviction and I will win that appeal if I am still alive by the time it's heard.
00:57:36.240Yes, he needs to think hard about the substance of these 29 phone calls between himself and Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign.
00:57:46.240And when he's ready to tell the truth that they were really about Russia and WikiLeaks, well, then we might be willing to recommend to the judge that he served no jail time.
00:57:56.240If, on the other hand, he isn't prepared to, their words, re-remember, we may issue a superseding indictment and hit him with more charges.
00:58:14.240And my lawyer said, you understand how serious this is.
00:58:17.240They could add, you know, any kind of additional charges.
00:58:21.240And in this case, no matter how fabricated, you'd probably be convicted.
00:58:25.240And I said, well, that's the way it is.
00:58:28.240I was not going to bear false witness against the president.
00:58:31.240I was not going to be the ham in their ham sandwich for the Mueller report.
00:58:36.240I was not going to be the the the false testimony on which they based an impeachment and removed somebody that I have not only deep affection for, but I think even today is among our greatest presidents taking on the two party duopoly and the media.
00:58:55.240It's not easy to be Donald Trump, but his faith hasn't wavered.
00:59:00.240The hand of God is on him, let me assure you.
00:59:03.240He's been put in the right place at the right time for a reason.
00:59:07.240And I believe that reason will become clear to all of us by the end of his second term.
00:59:13.240Roger, let's say he doesn't pardon you.
00:59:31.240I think there would be great anger among Trump supporters, not at the president, but because the Justice Department in two cases, the Inspector General of the Department of Justice has recommended the criminal charges of James Comey, but Mr. Comey has not been charged.
00:59:50.240If at the end of the day, Mr. Clapper, Mr. Brennan, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, this list goes on and on, Rod Rosenstein.
00:59:59.240By the way, if lying to Congress is a crime, I watched Rosenstein today.
01:00:10.240I think that many of the president's supporters will be upset about the two-tiered justice in this country.
01:00:17.240If you are a Democrat and a supporter of Hillary Clinton, you can pull off an abuse of power that is far worse than what we saw in Watergate.
01:00:28.240I saw this windbag from Illinois, Richard Durbin, today, saying, you know, instead of talking about the danger of this virus or poverty and the fact that our cities are engaged, we're here talking about a rehash.
01:00:42.240Then I went back and looked at what he had to say about Watergate when he was running for the U.S. Senate in 1972.
01:00:47.240And it was the worst constitutional crisis in the world.
01:00:52.240In Watergate, there was never any evidence whatsoever that the president of the United States knew about or approved the break-in at the Democratic National Committee.
01:01:03.240The Democratic National Committee was broken into by a small band of private citizens who were former intelligence operatives but were in private life.
01:01:14.240And they planted bugs that never worked and never produced anything.
01:01:19.240In this case, the full authority of the United States government and the Incredible Intelligence Committee's capability for surveillance and the court systems were legitimately used to spy on the Republican candidate for president, the president-elect, and the president of the United States.
01:01:43.240This makes Watergate look, as the president said the other day, like small potatoes.
01:01:48.240But to Senator Durbin, it's no big deal.
01:01:51.240It was a big deal when Nixon did it, although the crimes weren't nearly this egregious, but it's not a big deal today.
01:03:32.240First of all, I exchanged the 39 calls that they refer to were telephone calls that lasted longer than a half an hour.
01:03:41.240That is not the total number of telephone calls between Donald Trump and myself during the 2016 campaign.
01:03:47.240So, therefore, that creates an avenue to, if we can get stoned to say what we want about these phone calls, we've got a witness against Trump, number one.
01:04:01.240Number two, when I wrote the book, The Clintons War on Women, I think I aggravated the Clintonistas.
01:04:09.240The woman who headed my prosecution, Jeanne Rhee, represented the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton in the missing email case.
01:04:20.240If that isn't a conflict of interest, I don't know what is.
01:04:24.240The pompous, bully, corrupt, dirty cop, Aaron Zielinski, who then took over my prosecution, who committed many crimes, which will be a subject of formal complaints to DOJ.
01:05:26.240We will still fight, even if I have to do so from a prison cell.
01:05:30.240People who are giving to my legal defense fund at stonedefensefund.com are fueling my efforts to prove the truth.
01:05:39.240And I must tell you, Patrick, I thank 65,000 Americans who are praying for me, who are praying for my family, who are sending me the money that has sustained this fight, because I have been wiped out.
01:05:57.240I have the IRS knocking on my door, wanting back taxes at a time that they know I have literally nothing but the clothes on my back.
01:06:05.240So let's just say President Trump is watching this and he knows there's pressure on him pardoning you, one, on the side of people who support you.
01:06:14.240And then also on the other side of if he does pardon you, he's going to get a lot of heat known reelections coming up.
01:06:19.240And maybe Jared Kushner, who is a little bit more of a logical guy who doesn't necessarily have maybe the relationship that you have with Trump since 1988.
01:06:28.240Maybe Jared whispers and says, this is not a good time to pardon.
01:06:32.240Maybe let's pardon in December or January or February.
01:06:35.240If they're watching this, are you okay with the pardoning not taking place anytime soon until 2021?
01:06:41.240You know, one of the first things I learned in politics from Richard Nixon, don't answer hypothetical questions.
01:07:26.240The president has noted several times that I did not get a fair trial.
01:07:31.240When the jury forewoman is attacking me in 2019, and then she erases those posts to cover her trail.
01:07:40.240No reasonable lawyer believes that that is correctly decided.
01:07:44.240Jonathan Turley is not a conservative or a Republican.
01:07:47.240He said Stone is entitled to a new trial on that basis.
01:07:51.240In the Boston Marathon bombing case, the guy convicted got a new trial because one of his jurors was posting on social media on the topic of terrorism.
01:08:02.240Not even that case, just the topic of terrorism.
01:08:05.240My juror had not a single Trump supporter, not a single Republican, not a single military veteran, not a single blue collar worker, not a single person with less than a college education, but a majority with post college educations.
01:08:19.240Three appointees from the Obama and Clinton administrations.
01:08:23.240Several people who had personal relationships at the Department of Justice or the FBI.
01:08:29.240It was by no means a jury of my peers.
01:08:33.240Knowing how he's wired, I wouldn't be surprised if he just decided to pardon you tomorrow, you know, after all the messes going on to have the media go crazy about the fact that you're pardoned.
01:08:46.240But let's just say he does. If he pardons you, would you agree to get a tattoo of Donald Trump instead of Nixon on your back?
01:08:53.240You know, I was thinking of doing, Patrick, in all honesty, to do it right.
01:08:57.240I thought I would add Trump, Goldwater and Buckley to my back to have kind of a Mount Rushmore.
01:09:23.240Okay, let's talk about a little bit of the dirty politics.
01:09:28.240All you hear about from the side of the people that are not in the world of politics, dirty politics.
01:09:34.240And it's very obvious. I mean, you know, you've done some very, very, some would call some nasty tricks, games, manipulation, whatever it may be.
01:09:45.240You've done some interesting things when it comes on to politics.
01:09:48.240Who do you think plays dirtier politics, the left or the right, Democrats or Republicans?
01:09:53.240Well, you know, in 1960, the West Virginia primary became very pivotal for John F. Kennedy.
01:10:02.240So Robert Kennedy put together a piece of literature attacking Jack Kennedy's Roman Catholicism.
01:10:09.240He put Hubert Humphrey's disclaimer paid for by Humphrey for president, and he mailed it to every Catholic household.
01:10:15.240What would you call that? I'd call that a dirty trick. Wouldn't you call that a dirty trick?
01:10:20.240And then in the Wisconsin primary, he would put out a mailing accusing Hubert Humphrey of being a draft dodger while Jack Kennedy was a war hero.
01:10:33.240The problem was that Humphrey volunteered for the service and he was turned down for physical reasons.
01:10:38.240Now, I call that a dirty trick. But I guess I'd say this. They call me a dirty trickster.
01:10:45.240I don't think I've done anything that's beyond the bounds of my contemporaries.
01:10:49.240But if I am one, that means I can spot one.
01:10:52.240And the Russian collusion hoax is the greatest single political dirty trick in American politics.
01:10:59.240It is the harnessing of the authority of the United States government and the capability of our intelligence agencies to spy on a political opponent.
01:11:08.240It's the use of the government of the machinery for political purposes.
01:11:13.240It's sedition. It's treasonous. And it's highly illegal.
01:11:17.240Would you consider yourself a hyper competitive guy?
01:11:20.240No question about it. I hate losing. It makes me puke.
01:11:25.240So would you say anybody in the game is better at the game of politics and the tricks behind marketing, whatever it is, than you? Anybody in the game?
01:11:35.240Well, I think the problem with politics is it looks easy from the outside.
01:11:41.240People, I think, don't really recognize that political strategy is a science, that you're not basing anything on your instincts or your feelings or even your own personal beliefs.
01:11:54.240You base campaign strategy on very sophisticated voter research surveys.
01:12:01.240That means polling. But the purpose of the polling is, I think, widely misunderstood by the public.
01:12:07.240It's not to find out who's ahead and who's behind. Those are actually the least important numbers.
01:12:12.240It's to find out what of your core messages move voters.
01:12:17.240What information is it that you can communicate to voters that will get them to vote for you and not your opponent or to move from undecided to vote for you?
01:12:28.240Then the second question you have to answer is, what's the most efficient way to deliver this information?
01:12:35.240Let me give you an example. Joe Biden makes a great comeback in the Democratic nomination process in South Carolina because he gets an almost monolithic African-American vote.
01:12:47.240Do those African-American voters realize that Joe Biden is the father of the legislation that has incarcerated more black people for first time nonviolent drug crimes than anybody in history?
01:13:04.240That the Biden bill, as he used to proudly call it, which mandated the absolutely mandatory harsh penalties for the first time nonviolent crime of possession of tiny amounts of drugs for personal use, is responsible for the mass incarceration at this point of millions of black people who are trapped in our penal system with extraordinarily long
01:13:33.240long sentences, which has destroyed lives, destroyed families, destroyed without any hope of rehabilitation.
01:13:43.240And if you're a conservative, it's costing taxpayers millions of dollars to house and feed and incarcerate people who are not a menace to society.
01:13:53.240People who are not inherently violent. People who haven't been convicted of a violent crime. Joe Biden. He's the father of this. He doesn't recant. He argued with a woman in New Hampshire about how successful this policy has been.
01:14:09.240The war on drugs was Richard Nixon's biggest single mistake. However, it's Bill Clinton and Joe Biden who turbocharged the war on drugs. Under Nixon, there were not mandatory penalties.
01:14:23.240A judge could take into consideration if the housewife who's caught with a small amount of marijuana in her purse, but has to work a day and a night job to support three kids should get a different sentence than some gangbanger caught with a quarter ounce of cocaine.
01:14:39.240But today, a judge doesn't have that discretion, thanks to Joe Biden. Joe Biden, who started his career as an opponent of the desegregation of the Wilmington school system. That Joe Biden. Joe Biden, whose son as attorney general refused to investigate the hangings of black men all over southern Delaware, saying that it wasn't racially motivated when the evidence is to the contrary.
01:15:06.240So people need to know Joe Biden's real record. Why do I say this? Because I've seen polling and it moves people. Now, let's go to question two. How do you impart that? Urban radio in this country is both inexpensive and has extraordinary reach to African-American voters.
01:15:25.600In every major swing state, Detroit, Milwaukee, Richmond, Charlotte, Miami, Fort Lauderdale. These voters are not difficult to reach and the message that will get them to see the real Joe Biden.
01:15:41.780I was very happy to see the president tweet about this today. It is a major and legitimate issue.
01:15:47.800When Joe Biden says, I've always been a great advocate for civil rights. Number one, he said he marched with Dr. King. That is a lie. He never marched with Dr. King. And he has race baited throughout his career when it benefited him.
01:16:02.180So let me ask you this question, since you were a Barry Goldwater fan yourself and you read his book on conservatives, is in 1960, 64% of African-Americans voted for the Democratic Party.
01:16:17.940Again, in 1960, 64% voted for the Democratic Party. Fast forward four years later, 1964, 92% did. That means a lot of African-Americans were conservative at one point, pre-Barry Goldwater.
01:16:32.980Barry Goldwater somewhat changed that, right? And today we're at 88%.
01:16:39.400By the way, I know you're a fan of Barry Goldwater, so I'm curious to know what you say about that. I'm asking this for a reason.
01:16:44.680Let's take it from a larger context, if we may.
01:16:48.600Let me finish the question and then I want you to answer. Let me finish the question and see where I'm going with this.
01:16:52.680The reason why I'm asking this is because do you think what Barry Goldwater did to cause the Republicans to lose the African-American vote from 64%, which means 36% was open to voting Republican, African-Americans, to 92%?
01:17:10.840Today it's 88%. That's a big number. Charlemagne, God says, you know, Democrats just have the African-American vote, right?
01:17:18.300And then you hear Joe Biden say, if you vote for Trump, you're not black.
01:17:22.940My question for you would be, do you think what Barry Goldwater did to cause the Republicans lose a ton of African-American votes to Democrats,
01:17:32.780do you think Joe Biden could cause Democrats to lose a lot of votes to Republicans with what he just said?
01:17:41.460If those voters, if today's black voters get the real information, yes.
01:17:46.960Let me put it in a little broader context, if I may.
01:17:50.160Eisenhower gets about a third of a black vote.
01:17:53.260In 1932, more black Americans voted for Herbert Hoover than Franklin Roosevelt.
01:17:57.880The black vote in America was traditionally Republican.
01:21:46.480They want a piece of the American pie.
01:21:50.240And I think the juxtaposition of Joe Biden's record of incarcerating black people and Donald Trump's record through the Second Chance Act of freeing people who are unfairly trapped in our penal system for small, nonviolent crimes is a debate I want to have.
01:22:10.160So let me ask you, based on that, your thoughts with the tragic event that took place with George Floyd and the cop, the Minnesota cop, that led to the riots and protesting.
01:22:22.120And that goes back to Rodney King, March of 91.
01:22:26.900I came to the States, November of the 28th of 1990.
01:22:30.480Exactly four months later, I'm living in L.A.
01:23:20.480I don't think the state has brought strong enough charges against those cops.
01:23:25.760But I also recognize that this event is being used to legitimize anarchy and violence that has nothing to do with the horrific murder of George Floyd.
01:23:57.820But the best social program in the world is a good, steady job and upward mobility.
01:24:04.720The best thing we can do is give economic opportunity and equal educational opportunity to all Americans.
01:24:12.620That's what I think Donald Trump is committed to.
01:24:15.640And that is what was working until these horrific events, which have the ability to change the entire political calculus.
01:24:25.260How much do you think the playbook, the Rules for Radicals, the book, Saul Linsky, how much do you think that book is being played out nowadays?
01:24:34.820Do you think it's just a good book being written or do you think it's actually being put to use today?
01:25:12.320If somebody is paying for violence, if they are paying people who are advocating the violent assassination of the president on social media platforms, which is a crime,
01:25:24.340if somebody is paying for these attacks and this violence in our cities, those seem to me to be crimes.
01:25:33.540And I just wonder where Attorney General Barr and his people are.
01:25:39.660Remember the great lesson of Watergate?
01:25:41.460I'm sure you remember it because liberals said it over and over and over again.
01:25:50.360Would that not include Barack Obama and Joe Biden, who had full knowledge of the unconstitutional and seditious effort to remove Donald Trump based on completely fabricated information?
01:26:02.960It was fun to watch Rod Rosenstein try to run between the raindrops today, but he lied repeatedly about numerous things.
01:26:10.840What do you expect him, President Obama, to be talking about today?
01:26:13.120I think he's given a speech for the first time, you know, while, you know, he's not in office.
01:27:29.360You and your entire family, who plundered the United States government, voted and endorsed Hillary Clinton.
01:27:35.680So why should we listen to you about anything?
01:27:38.000I mean, you've got to also realize that the opposite could be when he was asked, President Trump was asked, have you called Barack Obama to ask advice on anything?
01:27:47.260I don't, I'm fine with what I'm doing.
01:27:48.840So even President Trump didn't want to make that phone call to Trump.
01:27:52.160So some may say, Roger, I understand the point you're making with John F. Kennedy calling Ike, but at least even Trump is not calling Obama.
01:27:58.620No, but Ike hadn't authorized the illegal surveillance of John Kennedy.
01:28:05.980Yeah, so, you know, going back to what you're talking about here, when it comes down to the politics side, you know, and people are going to this politics side, one of the things I'm always curious about when I look from the outside is who are the power players?
01:28:20.180You know, the whole puppet with some people are controlling it.
01:28:23.020Is it candidates that are the most powerful people?
01:28:48.400It's only through the rise of a robust, vibrant, alternative media based in the Internet that Donald Trump is able to communicate around the national networks and around the established corporate-owned media directly to the people and get elected.
01:29:05.040That's why you see this systematic campaign of censorship on all media platforms, social media platforms of Republicans and conservatives and libertarians and Christians and anyone really who isn't a liberal.
01:29:21.040It's a violation of the antitrust laws.
01:29:24.200The lawsuits that have been brought against Twitter and Facebook on First Amendment grounds have not fared well in the courts.
01:29:32.200But there are solid antitrust issues here.
01:29:35.800And all Attorney General Barr needs to do is initiate immediate antitrust action against Twitter and tell them,
01:29:44.220I'm sending marshals to shut your operation down unless you stop.
01:30:42.420The censorship of non-Trump supporters is a major issue in 2020.
01:30:48.160You now see them finally, and I predicted this, beginning to censor or comment on the president's tweets.
01:30:56.820Relying on the Washington Post to say that there is no ballot fraud in a mail-in election, that's like asking Jack the Ripper to massage your neck.
01:31:49.720Roger, when it comes down to Dennis Prager, are you familiar with Dennis Prager, Prager University?
01:31:54.680So you know the whole topic about censorship and YouTube and what's taking place and videos being taken down.
01:31:59.220I was speaking to them about the fact that what really happened and I pulled up the lawsuit and I read the whole thing where eventually it was dismissed and they didn't really consider it because there's a difference between freedom of speech by the government
01:32:12.800versus freedom of speech of what you can say on a company private enterprise.
01:32:18.520They can choose to take whatever they want to take down or whatever they don't want to take down.
01:32:22.100So if that's the case, can YouTube do or Twitter do or Facebook do anything they want to do?
01:32:27.820Because Zuck took a different approach where Zuck said, I don't think if Facebook is not in the fact checking business.
01:32:33.520He said this last week on Fox if you saw that.
01:32:35.520So what is your opinion on censorship on what YouTube can and can't do?
01:32:40.540The phone company is a privately owned company, but they're regulated.
01:32:46.300I mean, if you're serving the public, I think you can be regulated.
01:32:49.480As a conservative, I don't like regulation, generally speaking.
01:32:53.140But if that's the only way we can ensure fair access, I believe caveat emptor.
01:32:58.420Let the consumer decide what he or she believes or what he or she wants to read.
01:33:04.520I got a message from a guy this morning who simply put up a meme on Instagram that said, pardon Roger Stone.
01:34:08.080Let the people decide what they want to read and what they want to believe.
01:34:11.680By the way, it's so interesting listening to you and seeing how similar of a style of communication you and President Trump have on how you guys speak.
01:34:19.360If I can put him over here and watch you, it's such similarities.
01:39:14.440He ran in a primary with nine opponents, and some of them were very substantial, established politicians with long records of distinguished public service.
01:39:24.000And he was a former leader of the state house.
01:39:43.980Well, certainly that there are some who have revenge as a motive.
01:39:47.620Look, I wrote a book, The Bush Crime Family, and I wrote a book, The Clintons, War on Women.
01:39:52.940I'm an equal opportunity truth teller.
01:39:56.120And I'll say things that aren't popular.
01:39:59.680You know, Jeffrey Epstein's been in the news a great deal over the last year.
01:40:03.660If you go to my book, The Clintons, War on Women, the longest chapter is on Jeffrey Epstein.
01:40:08.900And every single thing you have learned in the last year was written back in 2016.
01:40:14.440Bill's 28 trips on the Lolita Express.
01:40:17.720Bill's 17, I think, is the right number of visits to Epstein's Pedophile Island.
01:40:22.480The fact that George Mitchell and Bill Richardson and others were enjoying the company of underage children.
01:40:31.540It's all in my book, but the mainstream media didn't cover my book.
01:40:36.000So now that it was covered, really because of the courageous reporting of an investigative reporter with the Miami Herald, a woman named Brown, who did an amazing job of doggedly staying on this case because she knew something wasn't right.