Valuetainment - July 10, 2025


＂Epstein Killed Himself＂ - CIA Insider Claims Malfunctioning Cameras SUPPORT Suicide Theory

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Patrick Bet-David
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Epstein Ghislaine Maxwell Prince Andrew Menecht Wolsey Virginia Giuffre Leonie Brinkema Virginias Clinton Gore
＂John Brennan Is A BAD Guy＂ - CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou EXPOSES Former Director’s Secrets ＂Israel Tried To Bug The CIA＂ - Ex-CIA Whistleblower CLAIMS Mossad Was BANNED From Langley

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On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Ronnica talks about the Epstein scandal and how the FBI and CIA are responsible for one of the biggest mysteries in American history, the death of a high profile prisoner, Jeffrey Epstein.

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00:00:00.040 In this situation with Epstein and what's going on, who knows exactly what happened, the FBI or CIA?
00:00:09.500 Well, see, that's really the $64,000 question right there.
00:00:14.860 One thing that didn't surprise me at all was the conclusion that he committed suicide.
00:00:19.040 I've always said he committed suicide, and I say that only because of my own experience in the prison system.
00:00:23.600 You don't think someone killed him?
00:00:24.780 No, I don't.
00:00:25.820 You think he committed suicide?
00:00:27.120 Yeah, and I'll tell you why.
00:00:28.500 Please. 0.92
00:00:28.780 Because the Federal Bureau of Prisons is the biggest repository of semi-literate boobs anywhere in government. 1.00
00:00:41.040 If you have an IQ of 65 and you want to work in government, straight to the Bureau of Prisons with you, right?
00:00:51.140 Every flunky who couldn't make it through the local police academy or every loser who left the military and couldn't find a job because he lives in some rural area.
00:01:02.100 And there are no jobs unless you want to be a farmer and live in a double wide that go to the Bureau of Prisons. 0.99
00:01:08.760 The guards, so many of the guards were so stupid where I was that they couldn't even read. 0.98
00:01:15.480 So they couldn't do mail call because they couldn't read the envelopes. 0.99
00:01:20.280 And so prisoners had to do the mail call for them.
00:01:22.920 The only qualifications to be a prison guard are you have to have a GED or be working on a GED and no felony convictions.
00:01:32.220 That's it.
00:01:33.240 That's all.
00:01:34.140 And you're in. 1.00
00:01:34.720 So, number one, they're all morons. 1.00
00:01:39.340 Number two, the cameras never work. 1.00
00:01:44.220 Never.
00:01:44.900 I wrote a blog.
00:01:46.280 I used to smuggle out this blog and my attorney would publish it.
00:01:50.420 And it became my second book, Doing Time Like a Spy.
00:01:54.640 But I wrote this blog about how I was working as a janitor in the chapel.
00:02:01.960 This is when you're doing your 23 months.
00:02:03.420 When I was doing my 23 months, I was a janitor.
00:02:05.420 I offered to teach a class because I, you know, did my Ph.D. coursework in international affairs.
00:02:09.820 And they told me if they wanted me to teach an effing class, they would ask me to teach an effing class.
00:02:15.000 Now pick up the sweeper, the broom and, you know, sweep the floors.
00:02:18.920 So that's what I did.
00:02:19.720 I said fine for 16 cents an hour.
00:02:22.360 So anyway, every time I'd go to the chapel in a period where there wasn't, you know, some sort of religious service scheduled, 0.87
00:02:30.980 the guys are having sex in there and I'd have to chase them out. 0.99
00:02:34.980 And the reason they had sex in there all the time is because the cameras never worked.
00:02:40.020 And everybody knew where the cameras didn't work.
00:02:41.960 They didn't work in the stairwell that led down to the mail room, for example.
00:02:46.480 They didn't work in the hallway that led to the laundry. 0.87
00:02:51.560 And so people are constantly having sex in there.
00:02:54.960 So when they say, oh, my God, the cameras weren't working, it's a conspiracy.
00:02:59.100 No, the cameras weren't working because they never work.
00:03:02.340 And then they said, oh, the guards were asleep.
00:03:04.720 Yeah, because the guards are always asleep.
00:03:07.840 Right?
00:03:08.320 They're supposed to work eight hours, no more than eight hours.
00:03:10.920 These guys were doing it.
00:03:11.780 This is so hard to believe.
00:03:12.720 It's awful.
00:03:13.700 It's awful.
00:03:14.220 This is naive to believe that.
00:03:17.480 For me, my opinion, you got a guy, this heavyweight of a guy that's got access to this information.
00:03:23.900 Yeah.
00:03:24.600 You're going to allow something like that to happen?
00:03:27.020 There's a lot of guys that have seen that.
00:03:27.840 But you're going to trust in your people that they realize he's a high-profile prisoner. 0.86
00:03:34.680 He's a suicide risk.
00:03:35.740 But this makes me also think about is the following.
00:03:40.500 So what did you say? 1.00
00:03:41.600 You call them stupid people, right? 1.00
00:03:43.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:03:43.120 People who work there.
00:03:43.780 Okay, but what did you call the other guy that was able to put a chip on the printer to get all the intel, right?
00:03:50.440 If you're able to con a prime minister to get all the facts and stuff that's coming in, 1.00
00:03:55.960 how much easier is it if I'm dealing with stupid men to go and kill a guy that I want to kill? 1.00
00:04:00.500 It's the easiest person to kill. 1.00
00:04:01.700 I mean, cameras don't work. 0.99
00:04:03.060 The prisoners are lazy.
00:04:04.620 Guys, this is like easy job where a brand-new elementary guy can go and take them out.
00:04:08.480 Yes, but then the FBI et al are going to investigate that,
00:04:13.440 and they're going to look at everybody's financial records.
00:04:15.720 Has anybody made a big deposit, bought a boat, moved into a bigger house?
00:04:19.980 And there's no indication that anybody profited in any way.
00:04:24.460 Not yet.
00:04:25.140 We don't know yet because it's not – and even if you – there's many ways of doing it with – if a person wants to take them out,
00:04:35.100 they're not going to have a hard time taking them out.
00:04:36.540 But go back to this year.
00:04:37.740 So you said Israel.
00:04:38.520 Yeah.
00:04:39.200 So do you think – you don't think anybody from the administration is being implicated that they're on that list?
00:04:46.560 I don't think so either.
00:04:47.540 I'm not there.
00:04:49.020 But who actually knows what happened?
00:04:54.620 That's what I want to know.
00:04:56.260 You know, because in the CIA, you said something.
00:04:58.300 I talked to Wolsey.
00:04:59.120 Wolsey was like I never talked to the President Clinton.
00:05:01.380 He was – you know, he's like I was there for two visits or two this and nothing ever happened.
00:05:05.200 Literally.
00:05:05.780 Like now you're saying Gore was the one that would talk five, six days a week in the briefing.
00:05:10.280 But who are the people that actually know the client list?
00:05:13.980 Yeah.
00:05:14.220 That actually have seen the videos, that actually have access to those who have actually seen it?
00:05:21.420 How many people you think know exactly what happened?
00:05:24.720 How big is that number?
00:05:25.760 I think it's actually more than most people realize because you figure Ghislaine Maxwell 100%.
00:05:30.840 Sure.
00:05:31.140 But you figure – Virginia Giuffre told us and actually five other young women in their statements, in their lawsuit told us that there were rooms with banks of monitors, right?
00:05:48.920 And they were monitoring every room and every bathroom.
00:05:51.640 So if there were clients, and I believe there were, and they were having sex with minors, and I believe they were, every single person who was hired to monitor those screens would have known.
00:06:08.020 I believe that there was a list, a client list.
00:06:12.100 There had to have been.
00:06:13.000 We know that there was a black book.
00:06:14.340 It sold at Sotheby's for heaven's sake.
00:06:16.980 So where is it?
00:06:19.060 Was it destroyed?
00:06:19.940 And even if it was destroyed, why didn't Ghislaine Maxwell try to use it to save herself?
00:06:31.200 Yeah.
00:06:31.760 So now out of all these people that have access to it, say somebody is – did you say it sold at Sotheby's?
00:06:40.580 Sotheby's or Christie's or –
00:06:42.100 Actually, they both declined to handle it.
00:06:43.640 In a 2020 Maryland auction, I was going to attempt to sell one of Epstein's – the little black book, but it failed to meet the reserve, but it did not sell.
00:06:51.960 The book had been offered privately earlier with bids exceeding $100,000.
00:06:55.880 If that book is still out there, I'd buy it myself with that number.
00:06:59.120 Is that it?
00:06:59.800 Where's that at, Rob?
00:07:01.260 Alexander Historical Office.
00:07:02.560 That's what it was on Maryland's eastern shore.
00:07:05.580 Can you send me that link, Rob?
00:07:06.700 Yep.
00:07:07.100 Is that the original book?
00:07:08.640 The original book.
00:07:09.640 And you know what?
00:07:10.140 I actually bought something from them.
00:07:12.100 There was something that passed, and I emailed them after the auction, and I said, hey, I'd really like to have it, and they gave it to me for the minimum reserve.
00:07:19.900 Send that to me, Rob.
00:07:20.600 Just text it to me if you could.
00:07:21.640 Gotcha.
00:07:21.740 So, okay, so going back to it, but how many – so the number has to be in the thousands.
00:07:27.980 Fair?
00:07:28.560 To say it's in the thousands, because all the clients, all the employees, all the people that set up the cameras, all the girls that were involved, how many people they told.
00:07:35.640 Yeah.
00:07:36.020 But then there's –
00:07:36.900 Hundreds at least.
00:07:37.780 Okay.
00:07:38.340 But then here's – there's the people that were friends with Virginia who they told, so you're secondhand.
00:07:46.580 Right, right, right.
00:07:47.120 But she knows, knows, because she had the experience with Andrew and whoever it is, whatever the individuals were.
00:07:54.000 So how many people have seen, have files, have information, have communication where 100% they know?
00:08:03.220 Not I have faith in Virginia telling me the truth.
00:08:05.780 I have – like how many Virginias are there?
00:08:08.480 Right.
00:08:09.120 How many of those – is that 50?
00:08:10.760 It's got to be, right?
00:08:12.000 50?
00:08:12.400 So out of the 50, if I'm somebody that wants to get that intel, okay, if I'm somebody that wants to get that intel, and I want to get the next John who is a FBI agent, CIA who is conflicted, you were conflicted with waterboarding,
00:08:31.900 and that person is conflicted with the fact that they have access to this information where a bunch of minors were –
00:08:36.800 Right.
00:08:37.940 Where's the whistleblower?
00:08:38.860 How do you get that person that has access to that information to be coming out to public?
00:08:45.560 How do you get access to that person?
00:08:46.940 Yeah, that's a really good question.
00:08:48.960 You know, in the CIA, 10 years ago, I would have said WikiLeaks.
00:08:55.640 They can protect your identity.
00:08:57.220 They're the only ones who will protect your identity.
00:08:59.660 Go to WikiLeaks.
00:09:00.320 WikiLeaks today, I mean, for all intents and purposes, WikiLeaks doesn't really exist anymore.
00:09:06.380 But you need somebody with a strong moral compass who's willing to take a serious risk because, again, you're going to be prosecuted.
00:09:17.400 You know, maybe even under that Espionage Act.
00:09:19.780 The judge in my case, Judge Leonie Brinkema, set two precedents in espionage-related cases.
00:09:27.400 First of all, she ruled that she would not respect other district courts' precedents that there had to be harm to the national security for an Espionage Act prosecution.
00:09:40.660 Secondly, she ruled that a person can accidentally commit espionage without the intent to commit espionage, without any criminal intent.
00:09:51.280 And she defined espionage very simply as providing national defense information to any person not entitled to receive it.
00:09:58.400 People could argue that the Epstein files are national defense information, especially if they have something to do with a foreign country or with a foreign leader.
00:10:11.280 And we know that Prince Andrew was implicated.
00:10:13.900 So, somebody would have to seriously take a risk by releasing that information.
00:10:21.400 Hi, everybody. I'm John Kiriakou, former CIA officer.
00:10:25.160 Please find me on Menecht.
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00:10:41.660 You pick the subject, we'll make it happen.
00:10:44.220 Again, it's on Menecht.
00:10:45.780 Thanks, and I'll see you soon.
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