Valuetainment - October 16, 2026


Ex-Secret Service Interrogator Questions James Talarico’s Flu Story

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00:00:30.000 Last thing before we wrap up, are you following what's going on with this big Senate race in Texas, James Tallarico and Ken Paxton?
00:00:36.560 Are you following any of it?
00:00:37.820 I saw a little bit.
00:00:38.720 I'm typically apolitical.
00:00:39.960 Just catch me up on it.
00:00:40.880 What do I need to know?
00:00:41.940 You don't even need to know anything about it.
00:00:43.260 So these two guys are facing each other, and the guy goes missing for nine days.
00:00:49.040 Okay?
00:00:49.780 He was missing nine days, and this is more of a body language read.
00:00:53.200 Okay?
00:00:53.340 It's nothing more than political.
00:00:54.620 It's just do you believe him or do you not believe him?
00:00:56.120 So it's a big race, massive race.
00:00:59.240 Ken Paxton, maybe not the most exciting candidate Republicans I've put together.
00:01:03.920 James Tallarico, extremely talented, polished, very charming, charismatic, right?
00:01:09.400 As long as it's genuine, Patrick, I'm okay with it.
00:01:11.680 He, for nine days, he says he had the flu.
00:01:13.720 In one scene, he says he went to urgent care.
00:01:15.440 In another scene, he says he went and met with his physician.
00:01:18.020 This reporter's asking him, see if you believe him or not.
00:01:20.620 Go for it.
00:01:21.340 I went to the urgent care here in Dallas, and I was diagnosed with the flu.
00:01:27.440 How bad was it for somebody who wants to know, is this just like in bed rest or did you ever have to go to a doctor or a hospital?
00:01:33.180 I just went to my primary care physician, but it wasn't anything worse than, you know, a nasty case of the flu.
00:01:40.180 And last night it got so bad that I went to the urgent care here in Dallas and I was diagnosed with the flu.
00:01:47.780 How bad was it for somebody who wants to know?
00:01:49.360 So remember, this is the biggest race, is the third biggest race in the midterms that's coming up.
00:01:54.500 it's nine days you go missing 10 days you go missing two three weeks before the election
00:02:01.560 date do you believe him no i mean he just lies he he the he says two different stories right
00:02:08.140 right so no like right off the bat it's a it's he's lying so you want one saying you went one
00:02:14.080 is i went to my primary care physician and the other is i went to urgent care one it was like
00:02:18.160 oh it's nothing right and then the other was oh it was something so i'm getting to do it's a
00:02:23.240 perpetrators it's the guys i would have in the interview room that's which story is it really
00:02:27.880 well yes i i don't know him you're asking me to do just can you see if you can find a little bit
00:02:33.360 more longer in the conversation to see if she she has more content i would have to but what you do
00:02:39.300 in a scenario like this i would corroborate it show me a receipt show me a medical document
00:02:45.620 Show me something that says you went here.
00:02:49.720 Okay.
00:02:50.960 I'm going to do something.
00:02:51.980 If it's okay with you, Patrick.
00:02:53.080 Go for it, yeah.
00:02:53.900 Let me hit pause.
00:02:55.160 I'm going to take it to the beginning.
00:02:56.760 I'm just going to do it because there's multiple things.
00:02:59.000 Just hold on.
00:02:59.920 So I'm going to just play, explain, play, explain.
00:03:04.360 You were off the campaign for more than a week, roughly nine days.
00:03:06.780 Okay, so the one thing, these are just indicators.
00:03:08.880 Again, I want to clarify, it doesn't mean somebody's absolutely lying or not.
00:03:12.060 These are things I noticed.
00:03:13.020 One, he's standing very stiff.
00:03:15.620 right he's not moving a lot he does move his arms a little bit towards the end but he's very stiff
00:03:20.420 like he's not relaxed so if I have a high cognitive load if I'm about to lie I'm not going to move
00:03:26.440 around a lot because I'm working so hard to pay attention and to not mess up now you might have
00:03:33.080 this with guests if you ever see them I don't know if you've had it where sometimes people are very
00:03:36.520 stiff it's just because it's so the load's so high so typically you can't see this with people
00:03:42.340 who are going to lie, right?
00:03:43.500 I'm so on.
00:03:44.200 I'm so worried.
00:03:44.880 I'm going to lie.
00:03:45.600 I really need to be on.
00:03:46.520 So he just seems very stiff.
00:03:47.700 That's just body.
00:03:48.960 Just indicators.
00:03:51.500 Your campaign said you had the flu.
00:03:53.120 What happened?
00:03:53.980 He's smiling a lot.
00:03:55.120 Doesn't mean anything.
00:03:57.160 It's bad.
00:03:57.800 It means something
00:03:58.300 and it doesn't mean something.
00:03:59.640 He's smiling a lot.
00:04:01.120 It just seems like
00:04:01.760 a really odd interview to smile at.
00:04:04.280 Unless this guy always smiles
00:04:05.460 in every interview he does
00:04:06.980 in the past.
00:04:08.000 That's what I would look at.
00:04:08.820 But why is he smiling so much?
00:04:10.300 now smiling can also be a sign of i'm super super nervous and a lot of people when they are very
00:04:16.800 very nervous patrick they smile a lot or they laugh at inappropriate times but that can also
00:04:21.360 be a red flag here right why are you so nervous why are you smiling so much it's a stress reliever
00:04:27.740 so you ever see people who laugh at inappropriate times and you're like don't laugh that's not funny
00:04:31.460 they're relieving the stress in their mouth interesting yes so that's just one other thing
00:04:36.940 i'm catching let me see what else yeah i got the flu um and i'm feeling much better um and i'm glad
00:04:43.500 i had a chance to recover you know if you don't so yeah i got the flu i'm feeling much better and
00:04:47.820 i'm glad i so he's taking it a different direction it's like i just had the flu smiling the whole
00:04:52.680 time he makes good eye contact he's holding good eye contact to recover you know if you don't take
00:04:57.100 the opportunity to get well sometimes you can get even sicker and so i'm glad we made the decision
00:05:02.040 to just take okay i don't like this i'm glad we made the decision who's we you know what just
00:05:07.680 reminds me of remember anthony wiener years and years ago when he sent an appropriate appropriate
00:05:13.060 picture and then uh they were interviewing him and he's saying we are doing this we are doing
00:05:18.120 that we are doing this who's we it's you so who's we because he says we a couple of times we did
00:05:23.700 this and we did that and i'm glad we decided this who's we you decided so when you bring we in it's
00:05:29.900 a great way to be like it's not just me it's got my my all my people back here so that's a bit of
00:05:34.120 a red flag who's we you don't need we if you're typically being transparent telling the truth
00:05:39.740 and now i'm glad to be back on the trip you've talked about how you uh you're a diabetic and
00:05:47.300 that has when diabetics get the flu it could get really bad how how bad was it for somebody who
00:05:53.100 wants to know is this just like in bed rest or did you ever have to go to a doctor or hospital
00:05:57.540 I just went to my primary care physician.
00:05:59.400 So we know he's saying a different story.
00:06:01.460 He's saying urgent care, and here he says primary care physician.
00:06:03.760 Not the same thing.
00:06:04.580 So you've got two completely different stories, which liars, I'm not saying he's lying,
00:06:10.800 but typically they change their story.
00:06:14.220 People have a hard time remembering their lies, especially when they're stressed.
00:06:17.200 And he might be trying to change his story and make it seem something like it's not.
00:06:20.180 You know, a nasty case of the flu.
00:06:22.360 And so I was in bed and, you know, drinking lots of liquids.
00:06:25.760 Unfortunately, the campaign made me work from home.
00:06:27.620 The campaign made me work from home.
00:06:29.580 So the we is the campaign.
00:06:30.980 It's me and my campaign.
00:06:31.860 So let me ask you another one.
00:06:33.020 Those are the things I catch.
00:06:34.120 So, okay, here's another one.
00:06:36.440 This is a call that they made to a place,
00:06:44.840 because they're saying that he went to a mental institution.
00:06:47.540 Yes, I heard that.
00:06:48.180 Because it was a threat, right?
00:06:49.800 This is the call made to a Linder Center of Hope.
00:06:52.360 A guy just calls and says, what happened to James Tallarico?
00:06:54.700 I want you to assess the lady's voice, if she's lying or if she's telling the truth. 0.51
00:06:59.940 Sure.
00:07:00.720 Go for it.
00:07:02.920 Okay, so nothing for James Tallarico?
00:07:08.560 Okay, when I sell my business, I want the best tax and investment advice.
00:07:13.280 I want to help my kids, and I want to give back to the community.
00:07:16.440 Ooh, then it's the vacation of a lifetime.
00:07:20.780 I wonder if my head of office has a forever setting.
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00:07:44.120 It looks, well, this is what it's today.
00:07:48.900 It looks like she was discharged this evening.
00:07:52.640 That's why I don't have it.
00:07:54.700 Oh, he was discharged then?
00:07:56.900 Mm-hmm.
00:07:58.100 Okay.
00:07:58.800 And this is the Hope Linder?
00:07:59.440 So he should be.
00:08:00.460 Okay.
00:08:01.000 I'm sorry.
00:08:01.960 And I'll make sure I have to write this.
00:08:03.120 This is Hope Linder?
00:08:05.220 Yes, uh-huh.
00:08:06.620 Okay.
00:08:07.160 And you're in Hamilton, Ohio?
00:08:09.580 No, we're not in Hamilton.
00:08:11.040 Oh.
00:08:11.400 We're in Mason.
00:08:13.520 Okay.
00:08:14.140 So that's why he's on the system.
00:08:15.260 He's in recent.
00:08:15.860 Can you pause for a second for me?
00:08:17.040 All right.
00:08:17.820 Just, I want to do it in bits.
00:08:18.980 So a couple of things.
00:08:19.940 so we have a long pause before she answers because she's trying to figure out what do i say she
00:08:25.820 doesn't know what to say she's confused she's just like uh what do i say nobody briefed her to be
00:08:31.460 like don't say anything so to me i hear that this woman's like am i allowed to say something should 1.00
00:08:36.140 i say something is it a family member this lady doesn't know she's this poor lady's in over her
00:08:40.620 head she probably is not supposed to say anything she's probably not and by the way they commented
00:08:44.260 afterwards and they said uh linder healing center has refuted this they have made a statement that
00:08:51.640 talarico has never received treatment at the linder healing center which is what they're
00:08:57.140 supposed to say they would never are they saying we did not say they're they saying we never treated
00:09:02.860 him let me read it to you one more time so they said they're saying if they're saying we never
00:09:07.580 treated him that's different than we did not we never received treatment he never okay they have
00:09:14.860 made a statement that james tallarico has never received treatment at linder healing center okay
00:09:19.880 so they're saying we never treated him yes so then the i would i would suspect they're not going to
00:09:24.080 lie i would think that they wouldn't lie because i i'm not going to lie if that's my institution
00:09:30.960 i don't think i would lie and say something like that that's a pretty brazen thing to lie to say
00:09:36.940 this person never came that that's just the only thing where i would pause there right and this is
00:09:42.260 their tweet and on the bottom viva fry who's a lawyer we've had him on multiple times he said i
00:09:46.280 practice law long enough to understand how answers can be true and still misleading the statement
00:09:50.700 says talarico has never received treatment from linder center of hope you could question the use
00:09:54.600 of the term treatment was he a patient they never treated or did he somehow some other entity or
00:10:02.020 psychiatrists administered the treatment which brings us to the most likely distinction if the
00:10:06.940 statement is true yet misleading other distinct entities operate within the lindor hearing uh
00:10:13.320 center of hope such as lindor center of hope professional associates from what i understand
00:10:17.620 this is a private practice from operating arm uh operating within lindor okay so so it's possible
00:10:24.460 that they're using language to get out of it and it's a separate entity and they're trying to do
00:10:28.960 that because they can't they can't say anything it's a it's a what is it HIPAA violation right
00:10:33.320 for sure it is yes with her at one point when she's also answering him in that previous thing
00:10:38.220 she's like yes or a question so he left and she's like mm-hmm like she doesn't she's not giving
00:10:43.420 she's trying she doesn't know what to say right right she's not you could see her she's confused
00:10:48.800 as to what to say and she understands should I be saying this should I not be saying this
00:10:52.580 so i don't think the woman's lying again i don't know um but i can understand that they're using
00:11:00.160 language maybe to possibly hide from it but i think to me the biggest red flag honestly
00:11:05.540 is he's giving you two completely different interviews patrick he's saying two completely
00:11:11.040 different things that to me is like which is it and you know and i don't know this man but you
00:11:15.700 also run running for congress should you not when you're in those positions you're responsible for
00:11:20.600 of the things you say yeah it's is it congress or senate by the way it's one of the two senate
00:11:25.620 okay yeah you know you should be very the biggest thing is that a lot of people are asking about is
00:11:31.920 maybe if you did this in july maybe if did this in june but you're doing it in october
00:11:37.780 10 days in october right before it and by the way he's still the odds are still on his favor
00:11:43.360 winning so it's not like it's changed anything with calcio and where he's going to be at with
00:11:47.840 it they're still saying this guy's going to be winning the senate race in texas just a big race
00:11:53.420 well uh before we were you going to say something i just think it's really important and again i
00:11:58.860 don't know this i'm i'm apolitical but i really think it's important for people people tend to
00:12:03.920 vote emotionally rather than really looking at things and assessing things so if you have
00:12:09.000 indicators that somebody's i think somebody is saying they can't do they're not accurate
00:12:14.760 I would just ask people to really be thoughtful
00:12:17.140 and assess a human being on what they're showing you
00:12:20.100 rather than what you are projecting onto them
00:12:22.600 and what you want to believe.
00:12:24.900 But what we do is like we put blinders on.
00:12:27.020 It's like, and the thing is, even if you had something,
00:12:29.420 even if you had some proof, Patrick,
00:12:31.000 that this was true, that he lied,
00:12:33.280 the people that want to vote for him will still vote for him.
00:12:36.060 They're committed.
00:12:37.120 It's not going to make a difference.
00:12:38.160 No, it's like once I've decided, it doesn't matter.
00:12:42.680 it's um i hear what i want to hear even if you tell me something rational and logical here
00:12:48.700 i don't hear you i've made my decision so it's it's weird it's like the way we are as human
00:12:55.760 beings highly emotional and we don't allow new information and even uh it our objectivity
00:13:02.060 is is is completely just taken we think we're objective and we're not i hear what i want to
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