Gabriel Nadales used to be a part of Antifa until he decided to change his mind and become a liberal activist. He now writes a book called Behind the Black Mask: My Time as an Antifa Activist.
00:01:23.940So, first things first, how were you recruited into Antifa back in the days?
00:01:28.700So, you know, when I was part of the anti-fascist movement, nobody really recruited me.
00:01:33.100I was already a liberal activist for about maybe about a year and a year and a half.
00:01:36.580And I knew a little bit about Antifa due to the music that I used to listen to.
00:01:41.140A lot of people don't know this, but Antifa actually comes from the anarcho-punk and like the punk subculture, at least in the United States in the 1980s.
00:01:49.600So, listening to this music and kind of following their history, I learned about Antifa.
00:01:54.360Antifa. And in 2011 was the first time I put on the black mask.
00:01:58.640And it was to fight against the National Socialist Movement.
00:02:02.420Now, the National Socialist Movement is a neo-Nazi group.
00:02:15.460Well, you know, once I was there, I linked up with a lot of different anarchists and members of Antifa at the time.
00:02:23.060And they're the ones who invited me over to more radical events.
00:02:26.700I mean, I attended several different anarchist book fairs in Southern California, in Los Angeles, in Orange County.
00:02:32.300I went into this rabbit hole of anarchist subculture that I had only read about before.
00:02:38.440Now, I think the question is, you said you already were a liberal activist before going to Antifa.
00:02:43.360How did you become a liberal activist?
00:02:45.880Well, you know, I'm a Mexican immigrant.
00:02:48.860I came to the United States, specifically California, in 2002 when I was nine years old.
00:02:54.360And my household wasn't all that political.
00:02:57.480Sometimes they would be mentioning of what was going on.
00:03:00.320But I remember watching Univision and Telemundo.
00:03:04.440And these two shows, they, I mean, their nightly news segment would always spell doom out for everybody.
00:03:13.080And I remember that they, they would make it seem like Republicans and like people who loved America were my enemy, simply because they were out or because they were out to get the Hispanic people.
00:03:24.180I mean, that's the feeling that I got from watching these shows.
00:03:29.520And then in middle school and high school, I had multiple different teachers who told me that I needed to do something.
00:03:35.280Well, not just specifically me, but to the class that we needed to be the voice of change.
00:03:39.500And then among them, there was also different teachers who would, instead of teaching them, teaching us their class or their subjects, would start berating us for being conservative or if we held conservative beliefs.
00:03:54.940Is that your biology teacher you're referencing?
00:03:59.380I mean, he wasn't the only one, but there is a biology teacher that I had.
00:04:03.240And I remember that he used to yell at us and just, there was this one lecture, it was about evolution.
00:04:10.820And he was saying how people who were believed in God and didn't believe in evolution were stupid and specifically pointing it to us.
00:04:19.240And I remember he used to say that, like, of course, his children weren't stupid because he raised them to be atheists, you know.
00:04:26.260So it was a lot of different seeds were planted in me by several different teachers, as well as the Spanish media that made me want to be active and really care about politics.
00:04:40.400And the first time that I did something that really, really political was around 2006, I think.
00:04:49.240And I remember that there was this Republican from Wisconsin, I forget his name, I read about him in my book, who introduced a bill to make border crossings into the country criminal, illegal border crossings, rather.
00:05:03.380While obviously crossing into the border, into America illegally is illegal, it's not criminal.
00:05:09.400But what this bill would have done was to criminalize anyone and throw them in prison or jail or whatever for coming here illegally, as opposed to just supporting them.
00:05:18.660Well, I remember in Univision ante el mundo, it was the beginning of a new genocide and internment camps and all these these big things that were happening all throughout the country.
00:05:28.600And I remember a lot of my different classmates were mad about this and we were marching around our school.
00:05:36.200I mean, that's basically the first time that I did anything overtly political.
00:05:40.260But from there, I did things for anti-war things against Bush, as well as I also in 2009 to protest Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was the governor, Republican governor of California.
00:05:53.400You know, I marched with the teachers unions. That's kind of like what it was at the time.
00:05:59.580Just protests, you know, against the U.S. Army, just a bunch of small little little things.
00:06:05.740What were some of the phrases? We have a big Mexican community, specifically Mexican community that follows the content here.
00:06:12.080What were some of the phrases you grew up with listening to Mexican media or Latino media?
00:06:18.420Obviously, Jorge Ramos represents a big Latino community.
00:06:21.940But what were some of the phrases you would hear? You know, what what are they going to do to you?
00:06:25.860You said the genocide. What were some of the phrases you heard specifically in Spanish?
00:06:30.480In Spanish. Oh, gosh, it's kind of difficult to kind of remember.
00:06:34.480I just kind of remember like the sense of of these different things.
00:06:37.900It's fine if I speak Spanish in your show.
00:06:41.360Well, I remember specifically about Jorge Ramos, like he would hate President Bush very hard about not caring enough about Latinos and and just making it seem like he was like this bad guy because he didn't want to pass immigration reform.
00:06:56.220I don't remember like any specific things. It's one of those things that I kind of just made to stick.
00:07:01.020But it stuck with you where it influenced you.
00:07:03.860OK, so at what point when you went into Antifa and you started kind of, you know, you know, being part of the group at what point?
00:07:11.340What did you see that turned you off to say, I can't align myself with this?
00:07:15.840Sure. So about about about a year and a half into me being part of the movement.
00:07:21.400It was my senior year of high school. And there was this economics teacher who introduced me to free market economics, you know, as part of the the course requirements.
00:07:30.180And soon I learned about Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. And I mean, these are great economic minds.
00:07:35.800And I think that now. But at the time, I remember that I I mean, I didn't like them.
00:07:40.680I disagree with them. So I wanted to refute the free market and these these beliefs.
00:07:46.080And by doing so, I wanted to talk to my friends about these issues.
00:07:50.620Well, my friends were also members of the anti-fascist movement.
00:07:54.080Well, I always say that for being an anarchist at the time, that was the very first time that I was called the capitalist pig just for asking questions.
00:08:01.500Because as soon as I started having some of these conversations with them, they started seeing me as the enemy, as I was promoting some sort of capitalist propaganda.
00:08:09.120There's just one conversation that I remember having about the role of government.
00:08:12.820And, you know, I was an anarchist, so I didn't believe in government.
00:08:16.180But I thought if there's a government out there that would exist, it should be small, but only so it can enforce the rights of people and nothing else, nothing else.
00:08:26.440And then this other so-called anarchist, he said, well, you know, I don't believe in government either.
00:08:30.240But if a government is to exist, it should be there to help everyone.
00:08:54.880So after constant conversations with a lot of these leftist activists, I decided that I really wanted to reach out to the conservative side and see what they were saying.
00:09:03.700Because I felt like I wasn't getting the true picture or from all my left-wing friends.
00:09:22.380When you went into the group nine years ago, 26, 27 years old, nine years ago, you were teens, 16, 17 years old, 18 years old.
00:09:29.280What have you noticed that's changed with Antifa from then in 2011 to today?
00:09:34.060Well, you know something, Antifa today is far more dangerous than anything that I was part of.
00:09:39.260And I mean, there's this book written by a leftist activist, and it's called The Antifascist Handbook.
00:09:45.300It was written in 2017 or published in 2017.
00:09:48.160And on the back of the book, there's this gentleman named Murray from Baltimore who – he's a self-proclaimed Antifa activist.
00:09:54.620And it says the reason you fight them with letters and making phone calls is so you don't have to fight them with fists.
00:10:00.460The reason you fight them with fists is so you don't have to fight them with knives.
00:10:03.900The reason you fight them with knives is so you don't have to fight them with guns and with guns so you don't have to fight them with tanks.
00:10:09.840Now, a lot of people see that this is – think that this is a form of anticipatory self-defense that can be boiled down to the phrase of, like, don't mess with me and I won't mess with you.
00:10:18.820But that language is actually trying to say you better sit down and shut up or we are going to make you by any means necessary.
00:10:27.300But with this quote, we can actually kind of break down Antifa activism, if you will, into different stages.
00:10:33.420The first stage is being intimidation and some destruction of property.
00:10:37.040But then it quickly escalates to force, violence, and then to deadly force until you get the final stage, which is all-out warfare.
00:10:45.480Antifa in America, at least in America, has been in different cycles of this.
00:10:50.900And when I was in the – in the 1990s, we definitely saw a lot of that violence.
00:10:56.440And in the late 2000s and kind of when I was part of it, we were kind of in the first stage again, which is kind of intimidation, kind of yelling at people.
00:11:06.220I remember – I mean I broke in a few windows as well as trying to intimidate a few people.
00:11:11.320But I got to say this. Yesterday, I was actually at – in Washington, D.C., and I decided to put on the black mask again and kind of infiltrate Antifa.
00:11:22.720And I saw very key differences between when I was part of the movement.
00:12:35.460This is – we shouldn't have to do that.
00:12:38.000But it's interesting because as soon as we started marching, within minutes, all of a sudden, that went out the window.
00:12:43.220I mean, they started threatening journalists who were trying to take pictures.
00:12:46.160And also, I believe – I wasn't present at this, but I just heard a few minutes ago that there was this gentleman who got stabbed or at least slashed in his stomach.
00:12:57.960I mean, at first, they were claiming that it was going to be some sort of peaceful march.
00:13:02.160But, of course, Antifa is not about peaceful protests.
00:13:05.380It is about shutting things down as using their words.
00:13:30.600But I did talk to a few different people.
00:13:32.800I think the most notable thing – one of the most notable things to point out, though, is that the media – I'm very disappointed in the media.
00:13:41.680They were basically taking marching orders from Antifa.
00:13:45.140I remember back in my day when I was part of the Occupy stuff and as well as some of the anti-neo-Nazi rallies that I was a part of.
00:13:54.400Obviously, we didn't want to take pictures of us because that would reveal our identities.
00:13:58.340But we would just kind of turn around and just kind of avoid the photographers.
00:14:04.260Well, this time, this Antifa was trying to use umbrellas to block cameras and not only do that but actually push some of the reporters.
00:14:11.480On top of that, the reason I'm disappointed in the media is because I know for a fact if we had done that back in the day, the media would have just kind of walked away and then tried to take a picture.
00:14:20.980But this time, a lot of the media was actually listening to them as if they were part of the movement as well.
00:14:27.220And unfortunately, I think that speaks volumes to a lot of journalists nowadays.
00:14:37.420So, for example, there was this guy who's like, don't take pictures.
00:14:39.700You know, like that can only endanger us.
00:14:43.160And this journalist apologists, like, I'm sorry, like, I didn't think of that.
00:14:46.400You know, it's like, well, your point is to just report the facts and just take pictures of what's going on, not try to conceal the identities of these people who are a part of this movement that are trying to.
00:14:57.040What organization was that person part of, that journalist?
00:16:38.960We would do, quote unquote, like little fundraiser gigs or shows, music shows to to fundraise for supplies as well as we a lot of us had jobs.
00:16:46.480And I think that reveals a danger because it reveals that there's people out there who genuinely hate America.
00:16:55.020They're not being paid to go stir up violence.
00:16:58.140They're doing it out of their own hearts.
00:17:00.140That being said, I mean, Antifa is much bigger than anything that I was a part of.
00:17:05.480I mean, some of the collectives are are small that I was a part of are incredibly tiny when you look at what's everything that's going on around the country.
00:17:14.860And I'm very curious to know who is funding the Torch Anti-Fascist Network.
00:17:44.780And the first day, the delegates of these nine chapters, 10 now since Sacramento Antifa joined the fold.
00:17:52.260And they send delegates to the first day.
00:17:55.120And then the second day, they have a little bit more wide open to the public, not really to the public, but more of the wider Antifa chapters abroad.
00:18:12.860I mean, can't somebody like yourself who's been a part of that to be able to infiltrate and find out who's funding that?
00:18:18.580No, so it's actually really difficult because if I was still part of the movement and still part of the Los Angeles Anti-Fascist Network, I know for a fact that I would have never made it to the first day.
00:18:29.400So I may have gotten and accepted it the second day, but they definitely keep it nice and it's a very close secret.
00:18:41.880So a lot of people, I'll tell you specifically how I, what I did yesterday, which is actually similar to, I basically did what I did several years ago yesterday.
00:18:53.760I basically showed up and I got them to say yes to me to something.
00:18:57.760I pretended that my hat or whatever, my beanie was messed up and I tapped someone in life and I told them, hey, cover me.
00:19:04.760Like I need to fix myself and then you have three people who are like covering me or whatever and that gave me an excuse to talk to them and actually say like, hey, so like what's going on?
00:19:15.080And back in the day, if I had gotten into, if I really wanted to be into the movement, I would have tried to get involved or in contact with some of the key leaders and key activists as I did back in 2011.
00:19:26.840But this time, obviously, I just wanted to gain their trust so they didn't see me as an outsider who was just kind of there by himself.
00:19:32.580I didn't get any of their phone numbers, but I'm sure that I could have gotten connected with some of the key organizers or more of the serious organizers if I had asked.
00:19:43.860Yeah, I'd be curious to know who the leaders behind it, the people that have the influence, because through that you could find out who's really funding it.
00:19:49.640But, you know, in every, you can ask somebody who's got a certain religion, political beliefs, you ask them who their hero is, you can learn a lot about them.
00:19:58.740Who is the hero or heroes of the Antifa community?
00:20:04.660I remember when I was, again, when I was a part of the movement, there was people who liked Che Guevara and who thought that he was like the epitome of anti-fascism, revolutionary tactics.
00:20:14.420There's people who also took, who liked the, what is his name?
00:20:44.040I mean, I can't really give any specific examples.
00:20:48.300I know that back in 2014, some of the chapters or some of the more radical left, they were looking specifically to this woman who fled to Cuba after killing a police officer.
00:21:00.820And she's actually, I believe, I think it might have been in Northern California.
00:21:17.480And the radical left is worshipping her because she killed a police officer.
00:21:21.620And, I mean, this is the kind of people that really they look up to.
00:21:24.320People who are true, quote, unquote, true revolutionaries who are willing to take that step and kill innocent people or innocent police officers.
00:21:34.980So, OK, so those are some of the names they look at as heroes.
00:21:37.260And who do they look at as absolute enemies?
00:21:39.860Like, who is the enemy, the state number one?
00:21:42.900You know, anybody who is opposed to them is suddenly the enemy.
00:21:48.560But back in back in my day, it was in it was they actually really despised Obama and they thought Obama wasn't liberal or leftist enough to do it.
00:21:59.080Because a lot of people have this misconception that Antifa is against President Trump or just against Republicans, you know, because this tends to be more on the left side of politics.
00:22:09.940But what people really need to understand, Antifa, is that their true enemy is our system of government and our society as a whole, because they despise the they despise capitalism.
00:22:24.180They have this this wrong idea that by destroying capitalism, all of a sudden you're going to have gender equality and racial equality and everything's going to be nice and dandy.
00:22:36.060When, as we've seen around the world in several countries, those places that don't have a capitalist system, more of a Marxist or socialist system, they're actually the most oppressive governments in which there's closer to slavery.
00:22:49.320I mean, for example, in China right now we have I forget the name of the ethnic group, the Mongolians, I believe they're basically being put in in in concentration camps.
00:22:59.280And that's what you get with the socialist system.
00:23:02.880Do they look up to somebody like an AOC or Elhan Omar or folks like that or no?
00:23:08.460Surprisingly, no, they are not left enough for them because it's kind of funny.
00:23:15.240And this is as a conservative activist, I've gotten an opportunity to travel to a lot of different college campuses, specifically at UC Berkeley.
00:23:55.240Obviously, their stated mission is to destroy fascism.
00:23:59.260But by destroying fascism, they really just mean, and I can't stress this enough.
00:24:03.460I feel sometimes like I'm just repeating myself.
00:24:05.840But when they say fascism, they mean American society and also just the capitalist system.
00:24:11.840As a matter of fact, in my book, I quote this Antifa chapter on Twitter that they say the fight against fascism will only be won when the capitalist system is smashed.
00:24:24.360And I mean, that's truly what they want.
00:24:26.420They have this wrongful idea that capitalism and fascism are the same system when they're completely opposites.
00:24:34.920Yeah, I watched this documentary that was just released a couple of days ago by RT Documentary.
00:24:40.540I don't know if you've seen it or not.
00:25:12.760I haven't watched the documentary, but that doesn't surprise me at all because they have this preconceived notion that all of a sudden that Columbus brought war to the Americas.
00:25:21.700As if the native tribes weren't fighting with one another, then they had different alliances.
00:25:34.160They were fighting wars against everybody else.
00:25:37.780And, I mean, they have this frequency, this belief, this mistaken belief that capitalism is the root of all evil, that it is fascism.
00:25:46.180When you really have to look at human culture or rather the way humans interact with one another, unfortunately, the humans kind of suck.
00:25:55.980Oftentimes there's war, but it's not the system itself.
00:25:59.160As a matter of fact, if you look throughout history, capitalist systems are the ones who are going to war the least because war is so expensive.
00:26:24.460In my book, Behind the Black Mask, I make the argument that we should be talking to people because these people, I think that they're mistaken.
00:26:32.080I don't think they're too, too far gone.
00:26:36.400That being said, it's really hard to reason with someone who wants to do you harm.
00:26:44.840So my basic argument is if there's Antifa activists, quote unquote activists, out there who terrorize people, they need to be thrown in prison.
00:26:54.040Like, you know, you just like any other criminal would be.
00:26:56.980That being said, in order for us to change the minds of these people, it's not necessarily to go after them, but kind of attack against institutions who are promoting this type of ideologies.
00:27:09.080I've been a conservative activist for eight years, and I can tell you that so many college campuses out there provide ideological cover for Antifa.
00:27:16.660There's professors who I like to call Antifa-lite that promote a dangerous us-versus-them mentality.
00:27:21.980And they start indoctrinating their students into hating conservatives, into hating Republicans.
00:27:29.540So a lot of times there'll be like professors who will stand in front of the classroom and they'll say, oh, voting for Trump is an act of genocide.
00:27:46.900The University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, who is a former Antifa activist.
00:27:50.840He wrote another book on Antifa, and he calls Antifa a form of self-defense.
00:27:56.820And they continually lie to their students that Antifa somehow some sort of group or movement that should be praised, when in fact they're the ones starting a chaos and destruction all throughout the country.
00:28:07.780I mean, these are not just incidents here and there.
00:28:12.760Time and time again, I read stories where professors are continually indoctrinating their students.
00:28:18.540And in my book, I label a lot or I list a lot of different examples of this.
00:28:24.420I mean, in Colorado State University, yeah, the Colorado State University, there's a professor who said that it's time we stop taking the high road and I'm ready to punch my political opponents in the neck being conservatives.
00:28:37.820You know, there's a lot of these professors.
00:28:40.840So in order for us to really change the culture, we should really be going after taking back the college campus by really through doing activism and showing liberal students that there is an alternative, a peaceful alternative to the radical leftist violence.
00:28:57.060So this is election time, obviously, you know, last night, you know, November 3rd, results didn't come out and they're both going to sue and they're going to be in court for some time, whether it's going to be this Friday, next Friday, a month, 60 days.
00:29:39.060Say, for example, right now, President Trump gets the election.
00:29:43.500All of a sudden, all these radical leftists are going to say that the election is illegitimate and they're going to start plotting to try to take down the president.
00:29:51.400Just like we saw in 2016 where they were trying to disrupt his inauguration by trying to use locks and chains to lock the D.C. metro.
00:30:02.980I mean, that's an act of terrorism and they were trying to do that.
00:30:05.320Luckily, the FBI got involved and they stopped that.
00:30:08.540But we're going to see that very soon.
00:30:11.300But at the very least, President Trump will actually take action against Antifa.
00:30:17.440So eventually we're going to see this kind of die down a little bit because a lot of them are going to go to jail.
00:30:22.520And rightfully, unfortunately, Joe Biden will not take the same route.
00:30:27.900I mean, he's the person who called Antifa just an idea.
00:30:30.880And he's soon going to realize that that idea is also against him because they're not against Donald Trump.
00:30:42.600And the problem, though, is that President, hopefully not, a President Biden would actually incite the ire of the radical left.
00:30:52.980Because every time something happens where there's a case of questionable police tactics or, you know, sometimes things taken out of context.
00:31:00.540I mean, just a few days ago, we saw something in Pennsylvania rather a couple of weeks ago in which it seemed like it was a completely justified shooting by the police.
00:31:10.240And all of a sudden, everybody started rioting.
00:31:12.020So even in cases like that, a president and hopefully not, but a President Biden would blame America and all these liberals who are on the fence with Antifa, they would start seeing, well, if Antifa truly is systematically racist, then we have to take down America.
00:31:29.260So he will only spark a lot more liberals to join the radical left.
00:31:35.200So very interesting perspective to know that either way, I think the biggest thing is to know that Antifa is not left, it's not right, it's not middle, it's so far left that even an AOC is not on their camp or AOC is seen as a capitalist.
00:31:50.100That's absolutely mind-boggling to be thinking about that.
00:31:58.580I will say that there's likely a lot of overlap, but Black Lives Matter is still a Marxist organization.
00:32:03.960But the interesting thing is that they actually use a different tactic.
00:32:08.000I should actually explain the two different tactics.
00:32:10.620Antifa uses something that's known as propaganda by the deed, which is invented by French anarchists.
00:32:16.300And propaganda by the deed is a political tactic in which you enact political violence against your opponents in order to inspire others to take up arms, kind of like a call to arms kind of, if you will.
00:33:18.080They're trying to sugarcoat Marxist beliefs into palatable statements that every American can swallow.
00:33:23.520And I mean, everybody, a few months ago, founders of the Black Lives Matter movement said, oh, like, you know, we have an ideological framework.
00:33:46.740They're trained to organize under the mass line.
00:33:50.680So while there is a lot of they do use different tactics, though, there is a lot of overlap because both of them are radical leftist activists.
00:33:58.520And it would not surprise me if a lot of the leaders from like the Black Lives Matter movement also put on the black mass from time to time, even though at the ground level, there are a lot of Black Lives Matter protesters who they don't understand that they belong to a movement that is a radical leftist movement that is not seeking to end police brutality, but to end the capitalist system as a whole.
00:34:21.040Are you noticing this tension, create an opposition because you've got a couple of the groups coming out on the complete opposite side?
00:34:27.180Boogaloo Boys, which is led by, you know, 22, 23 year old former Marine and Patriot Prayer.
00:34:32.900Are you seeing the opposition also create a group like to oppose them?
00:34:37.040Yeah, and I actually argue that it's actually pretty dangerous because every time that I hear some of the some of the things that the chants that they say, they say, oh, it's time to take back our streets from Antifa.
00:34:47.160And it's one thing that Antifa is actually creating chaos.
00:34:52.760But at the same time, I think it's dangerous for private groups to try to meet Antifa on the streets, because what happens when, say, I don't know, the Boogaloo Boys show up and they beat up Antifa?
00:35:06.680They go back home and then they recruit more people.
00:35:10.140And what happens when Antifa comes back even stronger and they beat up the Boogaloo Boys?
00:35:13.860Well, all of a sudden, that's a call to action for them.
00:35:16.620And then you just have a cycle of violence in which both groups feed on one another.
00:35:21.800And ultimately, we have to put pressure on our governmental institutions of the police and elected officials to crack down on Antifa because private action against Antifa will only make things worse.
00:35:35.560Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens here and what can be done to calm the situation down.
00:35:42.480Obviously, you know, we heard multiple times under Trump's administration calling Antifa a terrorist organization, which putting them in that category causes havoc for them and makes it a little bit more difficult for them.
00:35:58.580So long term, what do you foresee taking place to slow down organizations such as BLM and Antifa?
00:36:03.760Are they here to stay long term no matter what?
00:36:06.820Well, interestingly enough, other countries do categorize Antifa as a domestic terrorist group, for example, Germany.
00:36:12.540They actually come out with a full manual on Antifa.
00:36:15.580But that being said, I think that for the foreseeable future, the Black Lives Matter movement will have a lot of a strong presence because they have successfully deceived countless Americans into believing that they're here fighting for black lives, which is something that, you know, it's a known for the cause.
00:36:32.880Luckily, I think that Antifa is actually will eventually lose power because let me give you an example.
00:36:37.980When Antifa was first introduced to the main stage, it was in 2015, when you saw them attacking Trump supporters and trying to take down President Trump.
00:36:49.320And you had so many left wing outlets saying that they are the good guys.
00:36:53.240For example, CNN's Camelbell, he interviewed a current member of Antifa in 2017.
00:36:58.860And he's as she pulled out brass knuckles and knives, they were both laughing, you know, like if it was all some big joke.
00:37:05.720In that same segment, he also interviewed a few members of the Redneck Revolt anti-fascist group.
00:37:13.900Among them was this guy named Wilhelm Van Sprozen.
00:37:16.980Well, he called him and then the group, the good guys.
00:37:20.780Well, a few months later, the good guy, Wilhelm Van Sprozen, was the one who threw firebombs at an ICE facility and tried to burn down that ICE stronghold or whatever.
00:37:32.720And it was kind of just ignored by the media.
00:37:37.100But it's kind of interesting because you had so many journalists saying that they were the good guys.
00:37:41.540But as soon as the American people saw what Antifa was capable of, which is the destruction of countless American cities, all of a sudden the narrative changed.
00:37:50.580And that's when you had politicians no longer claim that Antifa was the good guys, but they said that it didn't even exist.
00:37:56.200Representative Jerry Nadler said, oh, it's just imaginary.
00:38:00.120And of course, Vice President Joe Biden said that it was just an idea.
00:38:05.680And the reason the narrative changed is because that was hurting the Democratic Party and it was hurting Joe Biden because they didn't want to acknowledge the fact that just a couple of years before,
00:38:17.280the entire Democratic Party, with some notable exceptions, was backing Antifa because they believed that they were allies.
00:38:27.180The deeper you go into this, the deeper you can, there's more to learn about it.
00:38:31.360I'm just hoping they make a lot of progress to slow this down.
00:38:33.780And the part you said about the, you know, about the two different groups that could potentially go against them,
00:38:39.560the Boogaloo Boys or the Patriot Prayer, and how much more tension that can create for them to go back and recruit more folks.
00:38:45.480That's a very good point. We'll see what's going to take place.
00:38:47.820Gabriel, thank you so much for being a guest on Valley Taemin.
00:38:50.040If you want to order Gabriel's book, Behind the Black Masked, we're going to put the link below for you to order it.
00:38:58.080Different perspective when you see it from somebody that used to be part of the group and to see how much it's come along from 2011, 2012 to today
00:39:04.840and what the vision is, who they get along with their heroes.
00:39:07.360I want to hear your thoughts. Comment below.
00:39:08.700And if you watch this interview and you enjoyed it, you may like my interview I had with Professor Richard Wolff,
00:39:13.480a, you know, probably the top socialist in America with a lot of credibility.