Valuetainment - November 11, 2026


Former Facebook Insider Calls Elon Musk More Mature Than Zuckerberg

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00:00:00 Do you think Elon buying X was good for society?
00:00:03 That at least somebody from the other side
00:00:05 owned one of the big social media platforms?
00:00:09 I think Twitter was slowly falling apart.
00:00:13 Like one of the things that is good about Elon buying Twitter
00:00:16 is like he is just better at technology
00:00:18 than most other people are.
00:00:20 And I think Twitter was going to be in a situation
00:00:23 where there's a chance they would have gone bankrupt
00:00:26 or they could have gotten bought by someone even worse.
00:00:28 right like think of think of yahoo like yahoo buying i remember that right like what did yahoo
00:00:32 do to tumblr they kind of ran into the well i think yahoo was one of the people that they were
00:00:35 saying could potentially buy uh twitter iac those kinds of things like like people who are even
00:00:40 worse at technology than twitter um so i think the fact that elon bought it and it is still alive
00:00:45 today like that is an asset to the world like because we we do need we do need discourse and
00:00:50 twitter plays a right this is making a lot of people angry twitter plays a role for conversation
00:00:53 that it is not filled in any other space today.
00:00:56 And so the fact that it is still a going concern
00:00:58 and I think will be a going concern going into the future,
00:01:00 I think that is a positive thing.
00:01:02 I think the fact that he fired all of his safety people
00:01:04 on the pathway to getting there,
00:01:07 that caused, like, Mark has been very open
00:01:09 that he fired his safety people
00:01:11 because Elon was able to and nothing bad happened to him.
00:01:14 He brought a few of them back
00:01:15 because he realized he needed them.
00:01:16 I don't know if you know the stories,
00:01:18 like, ah, I messed up, hey, can you come back?
00:01:20 But in the case of Mark,
00:01:22 like you know after i came forward and said hey like you're not investing in non-english safety
00:01:28 like only 11 of users speak english yet like you spend half the security half the safety budget on
00:01:33 english speakers like you're clearly only doing this like look kind of okay in the united states
00:01:36 so you don't get regulated like you have to care about people who facebook is the internet for what
00:01:41 is the when you say 11 is only english speaking yeah what percentage of the revenue facebook gets
00:01:47 is from english speaking customers i'm sure because then you have to target the english
00:01:50 speaking customers if the other guys are not buying why would i target them well i think the
00:01:54 issue is like um and this is one of the things i raised in in the filings was facebook went into
00:01:58 places like african countries southeast asia when the internet was just being born and said if you
00:02:04 use facebook we will pay for your data if you want to use anything else you're gonna have to go pay
00:02:08 for yourself and understandably alternatives to facebook did not emerge right so so facebook is
00:02:15 a much much larger share of the internet in those places than anywhere else because facebook came in
00:02:19 and made sure that competition did not take place.
00:02:22 So the question is, if you have a situation where people,
00:02:25 it's harder for them to leave than on the English-speaking world,
00:02:29 and you're treating them worse,
00:02:32 what are your responsibilities, 0.98
00:02:34 especially when you have something like Myanmar take place? 1.00
00:02:37 So that's the question.
00:02:38 The question is, you intentionally took on this extra responsibility 0.63
00:02:41 by killing your competitors or making sure they weren't born.
00:02:46 Should you have to deal with the mess you created? 0.96
00:02:47 and so the situation was
00:02:50 there's 3,000 languages in the world
00:02:51 Facebook was choosing to use content
00:02:53 they didn't even have people who could get messages
00:02:56 like when the Myanmar genocide happened
00:02:58 one of the big things the UN flagged
00:03:00 was that there was only one person in the entire
00:03:02 company who even spoke Burmese
00:03:04 so as people were getting shot
00:03:06 or as these messages were going
00:03:07 what a heavy job
00:03:08 do you think Zuck is evil?
00:03:11 do you think he's an evil person?
00:03:12 I don't think he's evil
00:03:13 you don't think neither one
00:03:16 It's just, what do you think Zuck is?
00:03:17 I think Elon, the difference between Elon and Mark is actually really, really important.
00:03:21 Like, I've watched videos of, like, Elon hanging out at SpaceX, you know, like when they recovered, when the missile touched down and didn't blow up, right?
00:03:31 Like, you could just see him interacting with his employees.
00:03:34 Elon is a much more fully formed adult than Mark is.
00:03:37 What does that mean?
00:03:38 Mark became CEO when he was 19 years old, right?
00:03:41 He has been surrounded only by people that he chose to be around.
00:03:45 Interesting.
00:03:45 Since he was 19 years old.
00:03:48 It's a heavy burden, by the way.
00:03:49 It's a heavy burden, right?
00:03:51 And they say, you know, power is the ultimate drug.
00:03:53 In the addiction community, they say the age at which you start using is the age at which you stop emotionally maturing.
00:04:00 So if you dry out when you're 35, you still solve problems like a 19-year-old, right?
00:04:05 And, you know, when we look at the emails that came out through the court cases or just his testimony,
00:04:14 I'll give you an example.
00:04:15 when Snapchat started doing augmented reality filters,
00:04:21 this is like, I'm a cat, that kind of thing.
00:04:24 Instagram rolled out augmented reality filters.
00:04:26 And one of the filters that rolled out
00:04:28 was one that let you simulate plastic surgery.
00:04:30 So let you mark up your face
00:04:31 as if you were about to get plastic surgery.
00:04:33 And understandably, people wrote in and said, 0.99
00:04:35 do we really want 13-year-old girls
00:04:37 imagining themselves being marked up for plastic surgery? 0.91
00:04:39 Like, do we want to normalize the idea
00:04:41 that you should get plastic surgery for small children?
00:04:43 um uh and the they went and were like okay we're gonna go talk to experts so we'll bring a bunch
00:04:50 to child psychologists we'll consult outside people inside people they paid like 20 25 experts
00:04:56 to like give their opinions on like what is the impact of making this accessible to kids across
00:05:00 the board on the inside and the outside they said even even if this wasn't bad and it is bad um it's
00:05:05 a really bad look for us to be promoting this and it goes up to mark and mark says i think it's
00:05:10 patronizing to restrict access to this to kids and like when he got confronted at um the court
00:05:17 case so he had to give testimony they asked him do you still think now that you know all the more
00:05:23 that you know because this happened in like 2019 or something do you still think it's inappropriate
00:05:28 to like not have this be available for 13 year old girls and he goes i still think it's patronizing
00:05:32 right his position didn't change he doesn't he he's not in circumstances does that tell you he's a
00:05:38 true believer or does that tell you it's just money because that doesn't tell me it's money
00:05:43 that tells me he really believes in that position or i mean like or so like there's a blind spot
00:05:49 yeah i think it's a blind spot thing so so i'll give you an example uh they came out with new
00:05:52 augmented reality glasses recently right and the day after the day of there's this interview with
00:05:57 them where this journalist is like hey i noticed you now have augmented reality glasses that don't
00:06:01 have a camera so for context for your listeners there's a lot of people who have been calling
00:06:05 these things creeper glasses right because like people have been taking pictures in locker rooms
00:06:10 and uh just so you know i don't like it when i see some guys that are uh you you know you're
00:06:16 wondering hey what what do you what are you doing what are you recording what are you yeah and
00:06:20 people are covering up the light on them right um so the journalist was like hey i noticed you
00:06:24 now have ones that don't have a camera is this because like you heard the feedback that like
00:06:27 people are really freaked out by these because like people will attack other people in public
00:06:30 for wearing these glasses because like they're so they're they don't they they feel their privacy
00:06:34 He's violated so much.
00:06:35 And he goes, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
00:06:37 They're just so much cheaper.
00:06:38 Like, you save, like, 140 bucks if you don't put a camera in them.
00:06:42 And, like, there's always been people who want the cheapest option.
00:06:44 And, like, they're so much lighter if you don't have a camera in them.
00:06:46 And, like, they look just like normal glasses.
00:06:47 So either no one told him how upset people are or he doesn't care.
00:06:52 And we just don't know.
00:06:54 And that's part of what's, like, so scary about him dabbling in, like, frontier AI stuff is, you know,
00:06:59 I think the public's been pretty clear about how big an impact the creeper glasses have had.
00:07:03 What do you think the long-term, if we were to analyze, and we're not psychoanalyzing these folks, but negative motives long-term, do you worry about this much power to Zuck or Elon?
00:07:16 Do you worry or do you think it's all positive?
00:07:18 I worry much less.
00:07:19 So I worry about Elon's well-being.
00:07:24 Like, I genuinely think Elon really tries, like, again, this is probably a controversial opinion for some quarters.
00:07:31 Elon has invested so much in trying to advance things.
00:07:36 He did electric cars because he cares about the environment.
00:07:38 It's very clear.
00:07:39 Or he has done more for internet access than anyone in the world.
00:07:43 There are more people through Starlink.
00:07:45 I think Elon genuinely believes, and he has a history of executing.
00:07:49 And yes, he is a showman, and he oversells things,
00:07:51 and it takes him a lot longer to do things than maybe he initially promises.
00:07:55 Lots of businessmen have that problem.
00:07:56 right um i worry he burns the candle at both ends i worry he's also probably surrounded by people who
00:08:03 don't give him enough bad news um but i worry about mark a lot more right and part of that is
00:08:08 elon has to deliver like he doesn't own 60 of the voting chairs he doesn't get full control he has
00:08:16 to negotiate with other people and that means elon stays grounded in reality much more than mark does
00:08:22 The people around Mark are there because Mark wants them to be there.
00:08:26 They make Mark feel good.
00:08:27 They tell him whatever story they need to tell him that lets him be able to accept the way the world is.
00:08:33 And that's not good for any human being.
00:08:35 Like, that keeps you from getting to grow and be a fully fleshed adult.
00:08:39 Who are the top three heavyweights at Facebook, at Meta?
00:08:41 If something were to happen to Zub, who would be the three heavyweights that could replace him?
00:08:46 Could replace him.
00:08:48 I don't know now because the shift to AI, like, what is Facebook now?
00:08:52 Like, is the future of Facebook AI or is the future of Facebook social media?
00:08:55 They don't have a choice but to go to AI.
00:08:57 Yeah, I think they don't.
00:08:58 I think there's a very good chance that the lawsuits are going to be so lucrative
00:09:01 that they're going to have to split the company at some point.
00:09:04 You think that'll happen?
00:09:05 I think that'll probably happen.
00:09:06 They were trying to do that a few years ago, right?
00:09:08 Who was it?
00:09:09 Elizabeth Warren was presenting that?
00:09:11 I don't know who it was, but it was Google. 0.56
00:09:12 That was a breaking it up.
00:09:13 That was like WhatsApp and Instagram and all this stuff.
00:09:15 Yeah, but you're saying even bigger than that.
00:09:17 Because if the AI part of the company is like the part that has a future, right?
00:09:21 You can imagine a situation where they say, okay, we will sell off the social media side
00:09:26 of the company, and Marco will continue to have full control over his AI side of his
00:09:29 company.
00:09:30 And with the new stock deal that he got just today, he can take out tens of billions of
00:09:35 dollars each year and not lose any control over the company.
00:09:39 He would still pay the 5% tax.
00:09:41 He would still have to pay all that money.
00:09:42 That's a one-time thing.
00:09:43 It's not every year.
00:09:44 Yeah, but that's still a lot of money for the guy, right?
00:09:46 I get it.
00:09:46 But right now, he can only sell shares if he loses control.
00:09:50 Do you think this wealth tax is going to pass?
00:09:51 I mean, if they're having these types of talks, it's probably high likelihood that it's going to pass in California.
00:09:56 Yeah, I try not to follow California politics anymore.
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