00:12:47.120The director of Mossad is reporting only to the, directly and only to the, to the prime minister.
00:12:56.580The prime minister is the direct superior of the, of the director.
00:13:04.460So the, the, the prime minister is the one who, who, who choose him and the, usually the prime minister consults with the minister of defense and the, and the ministry of the foreign affairs.
00:13:24.460And, and, and, and, and, and the relationship between the, uh, between the director of Mossad and the prime minister, uh, relationship, which, which, uh, uh, resemble any other, uh, set of, uh, relationship between any, uh, minister or, uh, general director of, uh, uh, uh, an organization.
00:13:54.440In the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the sense that, uh, weekly meetings, uh, uh, um, confrontations.
00:14:02.540And, um, between, between, between myself as the director and the prime minister, there was no anyone else.
00:14:13.760So, so, so, you know, when, when you, when you read about Mossad and, and everybody puts them out there as the top three spy agencies, you know, U S's neighbors are Canada and Mexico.
00:14:45.420The reputation that's been built is, you know, is one of a kind, you know, there's some of them even call you.
00:14:52.000I don't know if you guys, you know, you like this, this reputation, professional assassins with a few boundaries and strike fear and opposing enemies.
00:15:00.140And you look at the culture, uh, uh, and what it's known for, you know, uh, uh, bring injustice to those who have harmed the Jewish people.
00:15:08.900Number one, number two, neutralized military threats to the state of Israel.
00:15:12.300Number three, retaliate against the perpetrators of terror.
00:15:15.660Number four, help Jewish refugees reach the land of Israel.
00:15:20.300I mean, it's a very specific, you know, culture that you guys have, but I want to hear it from you.
00:15:26.040What do you think separates the culture of Mossad, uh, uh, versus the MI6 or versus the, the CIA or any other agency out there?
00:15:36.960There are quite a few, uh, topics which, uh, uh, makes the, uh, the Mossad unique as compared with, uh, with, uh, our, uh, partners, the, uh, Americans and the, and the Brits.
00:15:52.760For one, the Mossad is, uh, is responsible of looking for the, uh, security of Jews in, uh, around the world, Jewish communities.
00:26:36.600around the world, the, uh, the main rule is, uh, that, uh, you don't spy on your friends.
00:26:44.600So today we do have relations with other services.
00:26:51.600We do exchange intelligence with other services.
00:26:54.600We do meet with, we do, uh, we do, uh, organize, uh, uh, research meetings and evaluation meetings.
00:27:02.600And, and we also, um, here and there, uh, participate in activities that resemble, um, the, the, the definition
00:27:13.600of, uh, studying or upscaling our capabilities.
00:27:17.600And, uh, but today when we do it, it's, uh, on a, uh, on a reciprocity kind of, uh, of, uh, uh, form.
00:27:29.600Was there, was there a mastermind behind Mossad?
00:27:34.600Was there like one big figure that you guys all looked up to and were trained by his beliefs
00:27:40.600or training system and manual and, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
00:27:45.600Was there some mastermind behind Mossad?
00:27:47.600Historically, what I can tell you is that the, the first grain of the Mossad were Israeli soldiers
00:27:58.600in the British army participating in World War II.
00:28:02.600And towards the end of World War II, those people, those Israeli soldiers were assigned to find
00:28:14.600and, and gather the remaining, remaining Jews from the Holocaust, take care of them in order
00:28:21.600to bring them at the end of the, at the end of the day to Israel.
00:28:25.600So this group of people were the first, the first grain of, of, of the, of the Mossad.
00:28:34.600When they finished their job of gathering the remaining Jews in, in, in, in Europe,
00:28:39.600bringing them to Israel then, and it was in the year of, uh, 51, uh, the Mossad was legally formed
00:28:50.600and established, uh, by, uh, the then, uh, Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion.
00:28:57.600And the mission at that point of time has changed from taking care of, uh, the Holocaust survivors
00:29:07.600to an intelligence organization, which, uh, which gathering information on Israel's enemies, adversaries, and so on.
00:29:19.600Got it. So, so, you know, uh, uh, there's not a major mastermind that was training everybody certain tactics.
00:29:26.600It was an evolution of trial and error.
00:29:28.600Yeah. Well, of course we can, uh, we can pinpoint to, uh, to, uh, um,
00:29:34.600David personalities who were at the head of, of, of this organization since, since its beginnings.
00:29:43.600But, uh, uh, I cannot, uh, I cannot recall of, uh, uh, any, any kind who was, uh, experienced or genius
00:29:55.600to the extent that he could, uh, uh, form the organization from, uh, A to Z at, uh, at, uh, one point of time.
00:30:04.600It makes, it makes me think because if that's the case, why aren't other countries a top three secret intelligence?
00:30:11.600If they, if they can learn by trial and error, how come they don't make it at the levels that you guys made it?
00:30:16.600It really makes me think about that. But let me ask you a different question. Let me ask you a different question.
00:30:21.600So, so you've been, you've been a part of the Mossad from 64 to 96, that's 32 some years, but from 89 to 96, you were the head of Mossad.
00:30:30.600And then obviously you've been retired now for 25 years. Has the enemy of Israel changed from 64 to today?
00:30:36.600And what has that evolution looked like? Or have all the enemies pretty much been the same two, three, four or five candidates?
00:30:44.600Well, the, uh, the world is, uh, is, uh, changing all the time.
00:30:50.600Um, the world does not, uh, does not stand still for a moment. And, uh, the same goes for the Middle East and, uh, for the, uh, um, structure of, uh, of the, uh, conflict between Israel and its, uh, neighbors.
00:31:08.600Um, uh, first of all, we, uh, we can pinpoint to, uh, the first, uh, peace, uh, agreement between Israel and, and, and Egypt.
00:31:19.600And it, uh, it, uh, it, it was initiated by the, uh, war of 73, what we call Yom Kippur War.
00:31:29.600The, the, the, the grains of peace with Egypt started with the, with the war of 1973.
00:31:39.600The peace with Jordan was signed in 95 after, uh, five, six, seven decades of enmity and, and, and the adversarial relationships.
00:31:50.600In Egypt, uh, listen, we can, we can put the line in, uh, on, on 47, for 1947 and 1948 as the baseline of, uh, the, uh, adversarial relationship between Israel and its, its neighbors.
00:32:08.600So the main, the main, uh, the, the main and number one, uh, uh, adversary were the Palestinians who, uh, who shared the same territory with us.
00:32:20.600And the, uh, main cause for the conflict was who, uh, who owns this territory.
00:32:27.600And then Arab countries joined the Palestinians in the war of independence.
00:32:37.600Jordan joined the, uh, the, uh, Palestinians.
00:32:43.600And then we, we found ourselves in what we named the war of independence, which by, by the way, metaphorically, I can tell you that the war of independence has not yet finished.
00:33:04.600Even today, we, to a certain, to a certain extent, we are still in a, in, in, in the, in our war of independence, as long as, as long as territory, the, the territorial question, uh, is not solved.
00:33:19.600And as long as there are countries that don't, uh, uh, uh, don't, um, acknowledge the, uh, uh, Israel as, as, as, as a, as a sovereign state in, in, in, in the, in the Middle East, um, the, the war for all particular purposes is not yet, is not yet finished.
00:33:42.600And then we, uh, the, uh, the era of, of the Cold War, um, and, and the wars that we had, uh, we can, we can say that, uh, every decade since the, uh, uh, beginning of the state, uh, um, every decade we had at least, uh, one big war.
00:34:08.600And, uh, and, uh, in between we, we had, uh, all kinds of, uh, of, uh, um, small, uh, small military operations and skirmishes.
00:34:19.480And, and then from a certain point of time, we had to cope with the, uh, phenomenon of, uh, terrorism,
00:34:54.440And then, during the spring revolutions, terrorism adopted the religious side of it.
00:35:17.060And instead of being a civil kind of entity, it becomes a religious entity.
00:35:28.980And religion turned the phenomenon of the terrorist phenomenon from a local event to become a global event.
00:35:40.700The last development, of course, is what happened during the last few weeks or so, that the Emirates countries and Morocco have upgraded their relationship with Israel.
00:36:08.560And it's a very positive development, which may affect the future of the region, maybe even towards ending the ancient conflict between us and the Palestinians.
00:36:37.600So the situation is volatile, the situation is changing all the time.
00:36:46.780And of course, it's not a two-party kind of a game.
00:36:56.500All the Arab world, to a certain extent, is involved in it.
00:37:03.680And then we have regional powers like Iran and Turkey.
00:37:10.740And then we have the global powers, Russians, Chinese, and America, who are also involved in this playground.
00:37:23.040So I don't know if I answered your question, but I believe that at least partly I succeeded.
00:37:35.600And it's interesting, you said Iran, Turkey, Russia, China, those are the four countries I have written down here that I wanted to ask you about.
00:37:41.380How much were you involved in finding out, you know, even have an insider scoop on what happened with the Iranian revolution?
00:37:53.060There's a lot of different stories when they talk about the overthrowing of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and how right after the dinner with Carter, he leaves in 77, December 31st.
00:38:24.200And there's a lot of different speculation on what took place.
00:38:27.080You know, whether it was the, you know, the 25-year contract of oil that was coming up, you know, the consortium agreement of 1954 between Iran, Germany, U.S., U.K., and I think France.
00:38:41.820And they had the secret meeting saying, let's get him to dethrone him.
00:38:46.340You know, there's some tensions with what was going on with other reasons for Carter and Iran.
00:38:52.380There's a lot of different stories that you hear about, but that's something that's close to me because I grew up, had a lot of different talks with people that were directly involved in that.
00:38:59.840But I'm curious to hear from you because if you were involved 64 to 96, 78, 79, and you guys trained a lot of the SAVAC that came to you for training, there's got to be some kind of a story or, you know, or even factual reasons that you have on why Iran fell because they were doing fine.
00:39:21.420It's not like they weren't doing good.
00:39:22.740They were expanding, and all of a sudden they had a fall.
00:39:24.980What do you think was the reason behind it?
00:39:27.560You know, there is a, we have a saying that a man is close to himself in the sense that I can give you my personal experience.
00:39:40.460You didn't mention the fact that I spent two and a half years in Iran in person, me and my young and beloved wife, since the beginning of 1966 to the summer of 68.
00:40:05.46068, a relative long time before the revolution in Iran, but I can tell you, for instance, that, and we spend time mainly in the south, Abadan, Choram Shah, and the Gulf.
00:40:38.020And I cannot forget that prior to each and every Memorial Day to the sacrifice of the Shiites prophets, Hassan and Hussain.
00:41:01.020And the government called the foreign people who lived at that time in Iran, and they asked the foreigners, please remain in your houses during those days of Memorial.
00:41:24.940And I remember that when I faced this unique phenomenon, because I was not exposed to this kind of events before.
00:41:47.340I asked, I remember asking myself the question, hey, how is it going to end?
00:42:01.000Towards where this religious factor will develop.
00:42:11.700And jumping from 66, 7 and 8 towards the 70s and the end of the 70s, we, and I'm speaking now generally, in general terms.
00:42:31.200Our evaluation was that Iran is going towards a revolution, or the change of the regime.
00:42:40.080We share this information with our American partners.
00:42:46.720And I can remind you, I can remind you that at that time, the American ambassador was Helms, the guy who later on became the director of the CIA as well.
00:42:59.420As much as I can recall, as much as I can recall it, the Americans have not accepted our evaluations.
00:43:49.920The one point which no one at that time, at least among the intelligence circle, was that what's going to be the attitude of President Carter.
00:44:12.740And as I put together all the pieces, the Shah waited for President Carter to nod with his head like this.
00:46:44.500We don't, we didn't have official relationship with Iran.
00:46:48.500So we, even if we wanted, we couldn't, and the Shah didn't accept it, that we, had we offered him,
00:46:59.840listen, we'll come to, we'll come to help you and so on and so forth.
00:47:04.880We weren't in a position to replace the U.S., which was the number one ally who was a partner with Iran and the Shah.
00:47:24.000What I did emphasize was that we shared our knowledge and assessments, which were based on Israelis on the ground.
00:47:47.080At that time, there were a huge number of Israelis of all trades and businesses and activities in Iran meeting and doing business with locals.
00:48:04.840And based on the feelings and personal experience of the Israelis, we reached the conclusion that there is something which is, which is, which is building up, which is growing up.
00:48:25.840And this, it was not based on intelligence, because being allies of Iran, we have not collected intelligence on Iran those days.
00:48:45.280We used Iran as a back base to collect intelligence on our enemies, Iraq, the Gulf, and Syria, and so on.
00:49:02.520So what we did, we shared what we believed with the Americans.
00:49:10.520We, more than that, we, you can't expect us to do that.
00:49:18.060Did, did, was it more peaceful for you as neighboring countries, obviously Iran's not a direct neighbor, but it's in the Middle East.
00:49:26.940Was it more peaceful for Israel and less turmoil with the Shah being in charge running Iran or Ayatollah Khomeini?
00:49:37.600No, if it, if it, if it, if it were for us to choose, we would, we would, we would choose, we would choose the Shah, not, not the, not the, the Khomeini's.
00:49:50.800Listen, Khomeini, Khomeini represents the most extreme group that exists in, in, in Islam.
00:50:00.240The Shiites is the most extreme group in Islam.
00:50:04.960They don't accept us being a, being a country at all.
00:50:11.540They don't acknowledge our existence in the Middle East.
00:50:15.400Every, every, twice a week, they come out with, with declaring their overall intention to obliterate Israel of, of, of, of the earth.
00:50:27.940So, uh, the, the, the, the choice for us, if we, if we, if we could then save the Shah and, uh, Iran, we would have done it, uh, we would have done it, uh, uh, uh, gladly and willingly.
00:50:49.540Um, listen, you are talking about, you are talking to a guy who was a big shot, but, uh, responsible on an, on an operation, which was maybe 10% of, uh, of the equivalent of the, of, of America and, and, and, and Europeans.
00:51:09.740Yeah, it makes me, it makes me think if, if the, the, the level of turmoil on how it increased right after the Shah left, why, why would have some nations want more turmoil in the Middle East?
00:51:28.380What benefit is it? Is it more powerful negotiation for oil? Is it more power to even, uh, have you need America more?
00:51:38.960Israel need America more because now you got another person that's creating more havoc, which is Iran and Iraq war.
00:51:45.240And you kind of got to be careful. Why, what is the real deeper motive of wanting? Cause if Kissinger and Carter know, if they don't help, shit's going to hit the fan in the Middle East.
00:51:56.720Like, it's not like they didn't know about it. Everyone knew Khomeini comes in. It's going to be catastrophic in the Middle East, which that's what it could cost half a million people's lives, et cetera, et cetera.
00:52:08.160I don't know why there weren't more people trying to prevent that from happening and, uh, why they kind of looked away. I'm always curious again, for me, it's, it's direct to me.
00:52:19.440It's kind of like when for you, you'll, you'll probably read or watch anything that has to do with, you know, the Munich with what happened with the Israeli Olympians with what happened with the Holocaust or what happened with,
00:52:33.620and I'm not making it comparable on the level of severity. I'm just saying like events that happened that affect your life or what Imad Mournier did, you know, the, one of the founders of Hezbollah that you guys went and eventually you took him out.
00:52:46.760Those things matter to you because they affected your livelihood, your country, where you raise your family. For me, it was what happened with, uh, the Shah and Carter and, uh, Kissinger and, uh, a lot of these guys.
00:53:00.620So, okay. Uh, so, okay. Uh, fair enough. I don't think, is there any other comments you have on this or no?
00:53:06.240Yeah. Look, uh, I, I tell you what I'll, uh, what I'll do, uh, tomorrow. Tomorrow is the weekend.
00:53:12.980I go to, uh, to, uh, Kissinger's memories in order to, uh, look for the chapter on Iran to, to read now what was then.
00:53:24.680He's still around and Carter is still around.
00:53:27.140It, it, it really, it really makes me think. So the last thing we talk about here, before we wrap up, you said a few things you said, you know, you have the smaller, you know, enemies where, you know, the wall of independence, a lot of them hasn't been done yet.
00:53:40.720It's still going on, but then you talked about the bigger, you know, uh, potential, uh, powerhouses, uh, in the world. And obviously you're seeing what's going on with America with Trump.
00:53:51.060Now, finally, you know, the transition is taking place with Biden coming in with Kamala Harris. And we saw what happened at the Capitol. Well, I'm, I'm sure you saw that in, um, uh, uh, in Israel on the news, but who you did, or you didn't.
00:54:05.060Yeah. I did, of course. And I saw the origin, the CNN and Fox and the others.
00:54:11.380What'd you think about it? What were your thoughts on that?
00:54:13.720Well, I'm, uh, it, it made me, it made me very sad what I saw.
00:54:21.420What, what, what do you think in the direction?
00:54:23.160And, and, and look, being, being Israeli and, and I don't, I don't hide the fact from, for a moment that Israeli existence and Israeli security to a very large extent is dependent on the U.S.
00:54:46.300I try to judge the events of the last few days through the prism of what is the, what is the interest of, of Israel in, in, in this, uh, development.
00:55:01.640And I'm sorry to say that, uh, the first point that, uh, hit me was that, uh, America in the last few days, uh,
00:55:16.300has lost, uh, it's, uh, it's prime statue around the world.
00:55:28.700America since the end of World War II was the, uh, the, the, uh, lighthouse of, of democracy, of liberal democracy,
00:55:42.080of marketplace economy, of freedom, of freedom, of equality, to the rest of the world.
00:55:49.660America since the end of World War II, to this day, was the guarantor and the, and the leader of, of, of the Western world.
00:56:00.400And after the events of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, the last two or three days,
00:56:07.440I, I, I don't see how American can convince its other allies around the world,
00:56:19.600and not to mention the, uh, adversaries, that the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, best form of, of regime is, is, is, is, is democracy.
00:56:37.920Pick any, any, any one leader among the, among the, uh, uh, Khamenei and the, uh, and the, uh, Erdogan,
00:56:53.880or the guy in Brazil, or the guy in the Philippines, or the guy, or the, uh, the rulers of the, of the, of the Middle East.
00:57:04.280And can you argue and convince them that the, that democracy is the, is the preferable and the best, um, um, um, um, regime
00:57:18.360in order to, you know, to, uh, to build the world, to bring more harmony, to build equality?
00:57:24.560What are you suggesting? What are you, what are you, what are you, what are you suggesting?
00:57:27.820Is there a suggestion in that statement of yours?
00:57:30.100Well, my, I, I, I, I, I, by far more modest than, uh, trying to, uh, trying to define the, uh, the future of the world.
00:57:43.740But I can tell you a few words about the, uh, possible, eventual development in, in, in, in the Middle East.
00:57:52.480Regarding the situation in, in, in the Middle East and, in, in, in, in the conflict between Israel and, and the, and the, and the Palestinians.
00:58:04.760I believe that the, uh, that the, the, the development which took place in recent weeks,
00:58:13.280namely the upgrade of relationship between Israel and the, and, uh, some of the Emirates and, uh, Morocco is, is, is, is good news.
00:58:27.960Uh, it, it, it, it, first and foremost, it transmitted a very strong signal to the Palestinians that,
00:58:36.620listen, listen, guys, we were supporting you since 1945, till today, but the world today is not what it used to be or, uh, in, in, in the past.
00:58:50.480And you have to reckon with, with the changes that are taking place in the, in the Middle East.
00:58:56.400Now, Israel is not anymore our, our, our enemy.
00:59:02.000Our enemy is extreme Islam, being represented mainly by Iran, who's pursuing a nuclear military capability.
00:59:18.300So, you Palestinians, it's, it's high time for you to, uh, change your policy.
00:59:24.780And, and, and, and, but there is, there is an additional condition to, uh, uh, uh, to what I'm saying.
00:59:35.500One is that, uh, the president-elect or the president, uh, uh, the president Biden should, um, adopt a strategy that the U.S. is not leaving the Middle East.
00:59:50.900And not only because of, uh, Israel and the Palestinians, because of many other reasons, because of the, because of the security of the, of the world, because the, the Russians are, are competing with them, because the Chinese are competing with them, because America needs to go on leading the free world.
01:00:16.240And, and, and, and, and leading the free world, it means to, to have a, uh, foot also in the, in the Middle East.
01:00:24.620You should now bring in Saudi Arabia and, and, and create a new axis of U.S. leading Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, with which we have, uh, a peace already, and the Emirates, vis-Ã -vis the threats of Iran and Turkey.
01:00:52.620And within this framework, the Palestinians will, will be in a position that, whether they like it or not, they'll have to change their attitude and, and, and, uh, and policy, and to become a partner to a solution for the conflict with Israel.
01:01:14.080Let me, let me ask you this question. Uh, would you put Iran at the top threat in the Middle East, or would you put, who would you put ahead of Iran?
01:01:22.620Would you put them at the top as a biggest threat?
01:01:24.420Iran is the, as a, as an Israeli, Iran is the top threat to the Middle East.
01:01:34.640So here's my follow-up question for you there.
01:01:37.500Go back the last four, uh, 12 years. Okay. Last 12 years, post Bush era, uh, uh, Obama comes in, Obama, Biden carried the $150 billion deal with Iran.
01:01:48.580They negotiate and then boom, then Trump comes in, Trump comes and says, no, the deal is off the table.
01:01:53.480I'm not helping you out. And then he puts sanctions on Iran. Iran gets weaker, 22, 21 nations in the Middle East cannot do business with them.
01:02:01.320Banks stopped lending to many of the businesses there. Uh, how do you feel about the policies that was led with, uh, Obama and Biden and Kerry with Iran versus policies of what Trump did with Iran?
01:02:13.920Forget the personalities, take the personalities out, take the Obama, Biden, Kerry personalities out, take Trump personality out.
01:02:22.540I'm specifically talking about policies. Which one of those policies made the Middle East safer?
01:02:27.920My personal opinion is the, uh, policies of, uh, Obama and, uh, and Biden to give $150 billion to Iran made it safe in the Middle East.
01:02:42.040To, to, to, to, to build the coalition with the Europeans and to, uh, sign a, a, a, an agreement with Iran for, which, which, uh, gives us, gave us between 10 and 15 years, um, without, uh, without, uh, an Iranian, uh, nuclear bomb in the, in the Middle East.
01:04:29.320Oh, uh, the, the decision those days when, when, when, uh, when Obama made this, the decision to, uh,
01:04:40.900to enter into a negotiation was either or, either I am ready to use force in order to knock them down similar to what we done back in, in 19, 1981 in Iraq.
01:05:11.140Time is, uh, time is the very essence, uh, uh, element.
01:05:15.700The question I'm asking is, do you actually trust that Iran's not building behind closed doors, whether you give them money or not?
01:05:21.860I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trusting Iran, especially since I, since I, uh, used to negotiate in the, uh, in the Tehran Bazaar with the, uh, with the Iranian merchants.
01:05:41.340They, they, they, they invented the, uh, negotiations, yeah.
01:05:47.060So, so if you don't trust that, if you don't trust that, but I, I think it's naive to think that here's a nation that says death upon America.
01:06:00.100I lived there 10 years, 10,000 men marching, flagellating their back, trail of blood on the ground saying death upon America.
01:06:08.040And then they hate your nation and we give them money, even though just last week they say, screw both nations.
01:06:14.360I don't, and then they're creating allegiance with China.
01:06:18.000And in July, they're negotiating a $400 billion investment in Iran from China.
01:06:23.360And you're looking at alliances being created.
01:06:38.200And listen, this is a guy that was born and raised in Iran.
01:06:40.320Iran, you know, I, I, I don't know if, uh, Iran's, even if you give them a trillion dollars, if Iran behind closed doors is not going to be building a nuclear bomb.
01:06:48.860Listen, you, you, you, you look, you look me to a point where I have to ask you a question.
01:06:58.540My alternative is when I asked you a question, if you had to choose between Khomeini and Shah, you said, of course, we would have chosen the Shah because it was safer.
01:07:11.260My alternative would be if the Iranian people don't like the current regime, well, why don't you let them do today what they did in 1978, 79, when 9 million people revolted and there was a fall of an empire.
01:07:25.520And then there was a different kind of a, you know, regime that came in.
01:07:30.560Because if we go like this and the way you're shutting down people who are threatening to take your life is by saying, let me give you some money.
01:07:39.340Like your kid says, if you don't give me money, dad, I will never love you.
01:07:43.780And I'm going to marry the guy you don't want me to marry.
01:08:16.380I don't know if that's the right strategy.
01:08:18.000Again, I'm just a person that's doing an interview here.
01:08:21.400I'm asking you, the expert, to see what you think about this, because I don't think the current approach of giving these guys money is an effective approach.
01:08:29.140Listen, the people who listen to me, listen to you as well.