Valuetainment - July 15, 2025


＂Giuliani Wanted $2 MILLION!＂ - Ex-CIA Agent John Kiriakou EXPOSES Pay For Pardon SHAKEDOWN


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Former CIA contractor John Brennan joins Jemele to discuss his controversial case against the Obama administration, and why he thinks President Trump should get a pardon. He also talks about how he got help from Rudy Giuliani to get the case thrown out of court.

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00:00:00.000 Where is Obama in all of this stuff right now?
00:00:03.000 That's a great question, too.
00:00:04.760 You know, Obama, I never understood why Obama was always so untouchable.
00:00:10.920 First of all, one of the things the CIA loves, I say this all the time,
00:00:15.780 they love when a new president is elected and he doesn't have any intelligence experience
00:00:20.740 because they just suck him right in, right?
00:00:22.740 They make him one of the guys.
00:00:25.020 And Obama was one of those guys who thought he was smarter than everybody else in the room.
00:00:30.000 And so, you know, people like Brennan were able to manipulate him
00:00:35.780 so that Obama would make decisions and he would think that they were his ideas.
00:00:42.000 And in fact, they were the ideas of people like John Brennan that he had surrounded himself with.
00:00:48.400 And I don't know why there's this weird, inexplicable nostalgia for the Obama years.
00:00:58.840 In my life, the Obama years were a living hell.
00:01:03.540 I lost everything thanks to Barack Obama.
00:01:06.960 Everything.
00:01:08.040 They even confiscated my pension.
00:01:10.360 That's why I'm asking President Trump for a pardon.
00:01:14.220 Yeah, it wasn't just I did 23 months with a bunch of pedophiles.
00:01:17.360 You lost your pension?
00:01:18.820 20 years of proud government service.
00:01:21.220 You lost that entire pension?
00:01:22.920 I'm going to have to work till the day I die.
00:01:24.600 Oh, my God.
00:01:26.060 And is it true with the whole you try to get a pardon and you were told it's $2 million?
00:01:31.300 Yeah.
00:01:31.640 When did that happen?
00:01:33.880 It's the very end of the first Trump administration.
00:01:37.160 I had a friend who had a relationship with Rudy Giuliani.
00:01:42.480 And so I called him and I said, hey, can you get me with Giuliani?
00:01:47.240 I want to I want to ask if you can help me get a pardon.
00:01:51.220 So he put me in touch.
00:01:52.920 I talked to one of Giuliani's, you know, major domos.
00:01:56.620 And he said, well, we're going to be in in Washington next week.
00:01:59.820 Why don't we meet at the Trump Hotel?
00:02:01.180 I said, great.
00:02:01.720 I'm going to be with my attorney.
00:02:03.000 And my my attorney, Bruce Fine, was was deputy attorney general under Ronald Reagan.
00:02:09.100 He's a serious guy, constitutional scholar.
00:02:11.680 So I said, it'll be me with my with my attorney.
00:02:15.240 I said, how about how about two o'clock?
00:02:18.360 And they said, oh, Rudy's not good by two o'clock.
00:02:22.700 It's going to have to be earlier.
00:02:25.120 So I said, OK.
00:02:27.040 So we met at like 11.
00:02:28.380 I go to the Trump and and Giuliani's there with two other people.
00:02:36.880 And I'm there with my lawyer and we're sitting there and Giuliani says.
00:02:42.660 Hey, how about those?
00:02:44.280 How about those jets?
00:02:46.640 And I said, yeah, I'm a Steelers fan, but yeah, the jets are pretty good this year.
00:02:51.820 OK.
00:02:52.940 He said that you a Mets fan.
00:02:54.600 I said, no, I'm from Pittsburgh originally.
00:02:56.640 So I'm a I'm a Pirates fan, but I follow the Nationals, too.
00:03:00.300 Yeah, it's going to be a good year for the Mets.
00:03:02.220 I'm like, all right.
00:03:03.560 What are you talking about?
00:03:05.140 So I said, well, Mr.
00:03:07.800 Mayor, there's this issue I wanted to raise of a pardon.
00:03:10.780 And he goes like this.
00:03:11.700 He goes, anybody know where the pisser is?
00:03:14.220 And he stands up and he walks away.
00:03:16.300 I said, what just happened?
00:03:18.800 His guy says, you never talk to Rudy about a pardon.
00:03:22.460 You talk to me about a pardon.
00:03:23.720 And I talked to Rudy about a pardon.
00:03:26.040 And I said, OK, that's fine.
00:03:28.120 And he says, Rudy's going to want two million for the pardon.
00:03:31.340 And I laughed.
00:03:33.160 I said, first of all, I don't have two million dollars.
00:03:38.000 I'll never have two million dollars.
00:03:40.420 But even if I did, why would I spend two million dollars to recover a seven hundred and seventy thousand dollar pension?
00:03:49.400 And I look at my lawyer and he's like, we got up.
00:03:53.280 Thank you for meeting us.
00:03:54.900 And we walked out that night.
00:03:57.880 Buddy of mine had a book release party at the Republican National Committee.
00:04:02.520 So I go up to the RNC and and there's another whistleblower there.
00:04:07.080 TSA whistleblower.
00:04:08.000 He's a friend of mine, Robert McClain.
00:04:09.340 Awesome guy.
00:04:10.760 And he says to me just to make conversation.
00:04:12.980 How was your day?
00:04:13.700 And I said, oh, how was my day?
00:04:15.620 Listen to this.
00:04:17.260 So I tell him and he says, that's a crime.
00:04:20.020 That's a felony.
00:04:20.980 I said, yeah, of course it is.
00:04:22.340 But what am I going to do?
00:04:23.200 I'm stuck.
00:04:23.740 I don't have two million dollars.
00:04:25.580 And he said, did you call the FBI?
00:04:27.020 And I said, no, the FBI is not going to give a shit about Rudy Giuliani trying to shake
00:04:31.000 me down for two million dollars.
00:04:33.560 Like four or five days pass.
00:04:35.360 I happen to be in my lawyer's office and my cell phone rings.
00:04:39.820 And it's it's it was either Mike Schmidt or Eric Schmidt.
00:04:45.080 I think it was Mike Schmidt from The New York Times calls me and he says, a little bird
00:04:49.420 told me that Rudy Giuliani tried to get two million dollars from you for a pardon.
00:04:53.900 And I said, oh, man, that Robert.
00:04:55.500 I said he was pretty upset when I when I mentioned to him that I had this meeting and he said,
00:05:00.240 well, we're actually doing up doing a story because Rudy's trying to get two million from
00:05:04.820 a whole bunch of people who are seeking pardons.
00:05:08.180 Would you go on the record?
00:05:09.320 And I said to my lawyer, I said, Bruce, will I go on the record?
00:05:12.340 And he said, go on the record.
00:05:13.560 You have nothing to nothing to hide.
00:05:15.660 So I went on the record.
00:05:17.000 Well, it was a front page story on The New York Times.
00:05:20.800 And and funny enough, Giuliani's response was, I never met this man.
00:05:26.500 I've never heard of this man.
00:05:29.200 None of this is true.
00:05:30.960 And The New York Times called me for a response.
00:05:33.140 And I said, he forgot that we took a picture together that morning.
00:05:37.380 So I sent them the picture and then they put a little box and they said, the New York Times
00:05:44.200 has seen documentary proof that the meeting took place.
00:05:46.900 And then, like a year later, two years later, I get a call from Noel Dunphy, who had been
00:05:53.400 his business development director at Giuliani Partners.
00:05:58.940 He told her the day that the New York Times article came out, that damn CIA guy ratted me
00:06:05.980 out to the New York Times.
00:06:08.880 And I said, well, there it is.
00:06:11.880 That's interesting, because at one point, pardons for sale.
00:06:18.400 Yep.
00:06:18.840 And oh, that's me.
00:06:20.680 But it's it was a front page New York Times article.
00:06:25.080 At one point, this guy was he was one of the most powerful could be the king of New York
00:06:30.620 and universally respected.
00:06:32.820 Yeah.
00:06:33.620 He could have been a president.
00:06:34.880 The ideas he had was so ahead of his time.
00:06:37.120 Oh, yeah.
00:06:37.400 And he really did clean up New York.
00:06:39.180 Oh, he was a he was great.
00:06:43.140 What New York needs today is a mayor Giuliani.
00:06:46.120 Yeah.
00:06:46.380 It needs somebody like that to clean up. 1.00
00:06:47.740 That's right.
00:06:48.340 It's a shame when it comes down to all these pardons, these stories.
00:06:51.200 You know, we had the Blagojevich.
00:06:54.880 Sure.
00:06:55.780 I wrote him a letter when he was in prison.
00:06:57.600 Did you?
00:06:58.020 Yeah.
00:06:58.240 I felt bad for the poor guy.
00:06:59.700 It was 14 years for a crime that was never consummated.
00:07:03.440 Yeah, that's right.
00:07:04.440 With the whole Obama.
00:07:05.160 And that was Obama's doing.
00:07:06.360 Exactly.
00:07:06.960 Obama's doing.
00:07:08.020 And he's out now.
00:07:08.900 He was on Tucker as well.
00:07:10.500 We had him on.
00:07:11.000 We've had him on multiple times.
00:07:12.940 And he's been able to tell his stories.
00:07:14.040 Documentary is actually pretty interesting.
00:07:15.360 I don't know if you saw his documentary.
00:07:16.080 No, I haven't seen it.
00:07:16.860 Very good documentary.
00:07:17.640 It's old, but it's a very, very good documentary.
00:07:20.380 Hi, everybody.
00:07:21.220 I'm John Kiriakou, former CIA officer.
00:07:24.180 Please find me on Menecht.
00:07:25.520 We have a lot to talk about.
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00:07:37.780 Let me know.
00:07:39.020 There's a lot we can talk about.
00:07:41.160 You pick the subject.
00:07:42.120 We'll make it happen.
00:07:43.200 Again, it's on Menecht.
00:07:44.780 Thanks, and I'll see you soon.
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