Valuetainment - ＂Held Nothing Back Going After Me＂ - Piers Morgan QUESTIONS Tucker’s 'Softball' Fuentes Interview

00:00:00.000 In regards to, you know, you've had Ben Shapiro on when he was super young, when you were, you know what I'm talking about, when you had him on the Constitution, when you guys had that conversation, you had Alex Jones on when he came in with the whole, you know, 1776.

00:00:13.620 Well, he had a petition to deport me. It was quite funny, actually, because he said that because of my opposition or criticism of the Second Amendment, that I should be deported. And in fact, Obama was president. And it was done on the White House petitions page. And if it reached, I think it was a threshold of 25,000 signatures, the president had to give a verdict. And it went to like 120,000 people signed the thing to have me deported.

00:00:40.360 And Obama, I was on air at the time, and the news came, you're not going to believe this. Obama's just saved you for the American people. I went, what do you mean?

00:00:48.400 They said he's, you can stay. He said that you're covered by your First Amendment rights, which is probably to anybody who's living in America, citizen or not, you're covered by your First Amendment right to criticize the Second Amendment. And he was absolutely right. I was. 0.50

00:01:01.820 So, you know, I don't want to relitigate my whole view about guns in America. It rapidly became clear to me that whilst I may have validity to my views, these were not views shared by many Americans. And I didn't want to hear a Brit lecturing them on how to how to lead their lives. I get it. But on that point, they both missed the fundamental point, which is I was entitled under my First Amendment rights to criticize the Second Amendment. And so I should be.

00:01:26.760 And your position hasn't changed about Second Amendment.

00:01:29.840 Well, no, I mean, I think my position has changed in this regard. I would say that I come from a country that used to be steeped in guns. Everybody had a gun 200 years ago in Britain. And now very few people have a gun. We had a horrific mass shooting like Sandy Hook at Dunblane in Scotland in the mid 90s. I was editor of the Daily Mirror at the time.

00:01:48.100 It led to a very interesting campaign started by a conservative prime minister, John Major, taken up by Tony Blair, a Labour prime minister, a cross party agreement that we were going to stop most private ownership of guns to try and stop this happening, because the person who did it in Dunblane, Thomas Hamilton, had built up a big arsenal of private weapons.

00:02:08.180 And it was successful. And now we've not had a mass shooting since. In Australia, they had a horrific one in Hobart and Tasmania, 35 people got murdered around the same year, actually, they did a buyback program, and I think six, 700,000 guns got handed in, and the government paid people for them. They've not had a mass shooting like that since Hobart. So, you know, it's different culture, America, you're more open to it now.

00:02:32.680 Well, no, what I would say is this. America has 400 million guns in circulation. Neither Britain nor Australia had more than, you know, a tiny fraction.

00:02:40.000 But with all the knife crimes that's going on in London...

00:02:42.940 We have a problem with knife crime.

00:02:44.100 Okay, so, but why do you think you have a knife crime problem?

00:02:46.420 Too many knives in use on the streets. I mean, I would make the punishment for being caught with a knife on the street extremely painful.

00:02:51.360 But we have a lot. We probably have more knives than you guys have. How come you don't have a lot of knives?

00:02:54.340 You have a gun violence problem. We have a knife crime problem.

00:02:56.340 What is the ratio of the knife to gun problem?

00:02:59.180 In the UK? We have hardly any gun violence at all.

00:03:02.760 No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is the number of knife crime problems in the UK compared to the gun crime problems that we have in the US.

00:03:10.300 What's the ratio?

00:03:11.540 Well, I think you have still between 80,000 and 90,000 people a year in America die from guns.

00:03:18.100 That includes suicide, which is a large number of that, but it also includes homicides and accidents.

00:03:24.340 The UK has a tiny, tiny fraction of gun, but also the knife victims would be a tiny fraction of that.

00:03:31.800 So we're talking a very, very small percentage of your gun deaths a year.

00:03:35.700 If you were to be the prime minister, would you consider opening up and having folks in the UK have guns?

00:03:42.580 Or you have zero tolerance for it?

00:03:43.720 Well, I think you have to, I think it's interesting.

00:03:45.380 I do, look, there are lots of aspects of that gun debate I had here where I understood the American viewpoint.

00:03:51.340 I mean, Jay Leno said to me, Piers, it's like you're going to Germany and lecturing them every night on television about speeding too fast on the autobahn, right?

00:03:59.960 They don't want to hear it.

00:04:01.260 They don't want to hear it from you.

00:04:03.060 And they definitely don't want to hear it from your accent.

00:04:05.140 It's not safe to drive 150 an hour.

00:04:07.220 Get the hell out of here.

00:04:08.220 And he said, he said, look, the smart crowd know you're right, he said, because too many people get killed.

00:04:13.420 He said, but most Germans wouldn't want to hear it from you.

00:04:16.100 And they definitely don't want to hear it from your accent.

00:04:18.440 I get it.

00:04:19.020 OK, this was not a debate that could be led by a British accent.

00:04:23.420 However, however, I would simply put this caveat out there.

00:04:26.840 And I wish I'd made the debate, actually, about gun safety, not gun control.

00:04:30.980 I think the word control to the average American is total anathema.

00:04:34.140 It's like a warning sign goes off.

00:04:35.800 And I get that.

00:04:36.420 But I do think in a country with over 400 million guns in circulation, with the amount of gun deaths you have a year and general gun violence, you have an almost unique cultural issue with guns in America, which never gets tackled at all.

00:04:51.840 A million new guns get sold every month in America.

00:04:54.640 So the number of guns in circulation rises exponentially all the time.

00:04:58.340 And it's logical to assume that the number of gun deaths will rise exponentially to in line with the amount of guns in circulation.

00:05:06.160 My targets were never law-abiding, peaceful people who want to use guns for shooting.

00:05:11.880 My brother was a British Army colonel, one of the best shots in the army.

00:05:15.240 I don't get shooting for sport or in the military or any controlled environment.

00:05:19.580 The problem is when you have it in such open usage in civilian usage, to me, that I get the self-defense thing, particularly if everybody else has a gun.

00:05:30.060 But at some point, I do think the amount of mass shootings you have in America, at some point, there has to be a mature, non-confrontational debate about what actually as a society can be done to make things safer.

00:05:44.380 Let's use the word safety, not control, and let it not be a Brit like me that leads this debate. 0.95

00:05:50.800 Let it be Americans having a debate amongst themselves in a way that can remain calm and rational and simply focused on reducing the number of people who get killed by guns.

00:06:00.720 Have you had Alex Jones on since that?

00:06:02.540 Yeah, I have.

00:06:03.300 Yeah.

00:06:03.680 So you guys have done stuff together.

00:06:05.420 Yeah.

00:06:05.820 My issue with him was actually a lot of it was performative.

00:06:09.480 But my issue with him was the defamation case brought against him by the Sandy Hook families.

00:06:14.780 He emerged in the case.

00:06:17.920 There were graphs showing that every time he went on the airwaves to lie about the Sandy Hook thing being staged and the families being behind it, two things would happen.

00:06:27.240 One, there'd be a massive spike in his earnings.

00:06:29.400 And we're talking tens of millions of dollars were coming into him every time he did this on the airwaves.

00:06:34.960 They showed how that worked.

00:06:36.380 And secondly, you would have people then believing this who would go to gravesides and they would urinate on the graves of the child victims.

00:06:45.400 And I'm sorry, to me, it's just unconscionable that someone would do that. 0.99

00:06:49.640 And this idea that he didn't know that he was spewing lies is bullshit. 0.99

00:06:54.520 Of course he knew. 0.99

00:06:55.580 So he was deliberately perpetrating a lie about Sandy Hook being staged to make money and in doing so endangering the lives of all those things.

00:07:04.600 I interviewed those families.

00:07:06.480 I was thinking it's unconscionable.

00:07:07.760 I had an argument with Elon Musk about it because he was going to come on my show.

00:07:12.140 And he pulled it at the last minute because he found a clip that someone sent him of me criticizing him for allowing Alex Jones back on the platform.

00:07:20.660 You may remember when he bought X, bought Twitter, he said he was going to keep Jones off the platform because he didn't like the way he danced on the graves of children.

00:07:29.860 I agree with him.

00:07:30.620 And I was disappointed when he let him come back on because I think that his whole business model was telling deliberate lies about grieving families.

00:07:38.680 I was disappointed he let him back on.

00:07:39.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:40.240 Interesting.

00:07:40.860 By the way, you've had Ben on.

00:07:42.840 You've had Candace on.

00:07:44.560 You've had Tucker on.

00:07:46.200 You've done stuff with Tucker as well, right?

00:07:47.520 Yeah.

00:07:47.560 Okay.

00:07:47.860 What do you think about what's going on right now, especially this week?

00:07:50.800 Ben Shapiro comes out, makes a video about the fact that Tucker had Nick Fuentes on and makes a 41-minute video calling him out.

00:07:58.020 And how dare you have somebody that's celebrating Stalin and Hitler and all this other stuff.

00:08:01.960 Where is your position with everything that's going on within the Republican Influencer Party?

00:08:06.420 Really interesting.

00:08:07.500 I like a lot of them.

00:08:09.120 I get on very well with Tucker, with Candace, with Ben.

00:08:12.100 Always have done.

00:08:13.080 I've never met or interviewed Fuentes.

00:08:15.840 My issue was Tucker gave me – we met in Riyadh in the desert by chance.

00:08:19.700 We were both speaking at the same event earlier this year.

00:08:22.340 And we did a 90-minute interview on each other's shows.

00:08:25.880 Me interviewing him and him going after me.

00:08:27.580 When he went after me, if you watch it back, it was very entertaining, very enjoyable.

00:08:31.600 It was a good old, you know, tussle.

00:08:33.300 But a bit like when he went after Ted Cruz and stuff, he held nothing back going after me and Ted Cruz.

00:08:39.080 But with Fuentes, I just felt he was oddly, like, not doing that.

00:08:43.860 And so the question then becomes to me, well, why wouldn't you go after someone like Fuentes?

00:08:48.080 Because the stuff he said on the record is so appalling in many cases.

00:08:52.360 There's so much stuff that as an interviewer you have to go after him about.

00:08:55.620 So my criticism was not that he platformed him.

00:08:57.700 Tucker is right.

00:08:58.700 He can platform anybody he likes.

00:09:00.280 He's one of the biggest platforms in the world.

00:09:01.620 But my only criticism was, why didn't you give him as hard a time as he gave me?

00:09:06.680 I think that's fair.

00:09:07.820 I think that's what I'm doing.

00:09:08.580 So you would house Nick Fuentes?

00:09:10.880 Well, I think in light of all the controversy about him, it would be quite interesting to get him on my show

00:09:15.240 and actually do an uncensored number on him where I go after him about a lot of the stuff he said on the record.

00:09:22.260 You would lose your Jewish donors if you do that.

00:09:24.460 So I just want to prepare you for it.

00:09:25.600 I don't care about things like that.

00:09:26.760 You're going to lose that kind of stuff.

00:09:27.700 I never care about any financial impact or anything I do.

00:09:30.100 I think you've got to be intellectually honest in this game.

00:09:32.160 I think you are when I watch you.

00:09:33.960 I appreciate that.

00:09:34.620 You know what I would say?

00:09:35.800 When I think about our jobs, what we do, versus think about the nonprofit job.

00:09:40.840 The nonprofit job, guys are giving you a few million dollars.

00:09:45.400 They're not going to get anything in return because they support the cause.

00:09:49.100 So imagine if all of a sudden you're like, well, you know, like Heritage.

00:09:52.340 We are, no matter what they tell us, we're going to protect and be a Fortucker forever.

00:09:56.860 However, and then the next day, listen, we were a little bit inappropriate with our comments

00:10:01.900 and we have changed our position all because the donors threatened to walk out.

00:10:05.520 So that charity, the nonprofit sector is a slippery slope because you worry about losing

00:10:12.500 that $4 million fund, the $2 million fund, the $3 million guy that's going to take the

00:10:16.320 money away.

00:10:16.780 You know, I had this kind of debate about the platforming with people like Andrew Tate

00:10:20.980 and stuff and Candace Owens on the platform.

00:10:23.360 And I kind of evolved my view a little bit to the degree that I think that these people

00:10:27.640 have huge, huge followings.

00:10:31.220 You can either pretend they don't or you can accept they do.

00:10:34.140 And they either have an unchallenged platform of their own to just say whatever they want

00:10:38.960 to say. 0.95

00:10:39.460 Take with Candace, for example, I've had a couple of big bust-ups with her about this ridiculous 0.89

00:10:43.980 assertion that Bridget Macron is a man, right? 1.00

00:10:46.040 I think it's 100% bullshit. 1.00

00:10:48.120 I think she knows it is. 0.99

00:10:49.400 But she's now being sued by Bridget Macron, who will probably prove very easily she's 1.00

00:10:54.020 a woman in court.

00:10:55.260 And Candace will lose, but I'm sure spin it into some kind of Pyrrhic victory. 1.00

00:11:00.400 And that's her business.

00:11:01.600 But if I have her on, I challenge her about it.

00:11:03.880 We have a proper old ding-dong about it.

00:11:06.540 And actually, I do think that probably society and democracy is better served by having people

00:11:13.400 who have big, big followings.

00:11:15.360 Give them a platform, but challenge them.

00:11:17.340 That should be the challenge for everybody.

00:11:18.920 I do know anyone, but I just think having people who've got very contentious views on

00:11:22.780 where you don't challenge them, that's an abrogation of your duty as a platformer.

00:11:27.900 Because otherwise, what are you really doing?

00:11:29.400 You're just giving them more oxygen for views.

00:11:31.520 And if you don't agree with them, you know, I thought it was very interesting when Tucker

00:11:34.240 went after Tate Cruz and said, well, what's the population of Iran?

00:11:37.300 He didn't know.

00:11:37.920 It was a viral moment.

00:11:38.980 And we all thought that was a brilliant moment.

00:11:40.840 But you do think, well, why was there no viral moment like that out of your two-hour

00:11:45.100 interview with Fuentes?

00:11:46.760 You know, I can guarantee there would be if I was with Fuentes.

00:11:48.920 He'd probably give me some hammer too.

00:11:50.860 Fine, fair enough.

00:11:51.780 I can take it.

00:11:52.900 But I do think he needs to be challenged.

00:11:54.260 Fuentes has a massive following, increasingly influential amongst young men in particular, as does Andrew

00:11:59.360 Tate.

00:11:59.580 I've interviewed Tate a few times, and I think I hold his feet to the fire, and he gives

00:12:04.160 it back.

00:12:04.800 And actually, young people who watch it, who maybe have a view of him that is unchallengeable

00:12:10.480 from his own arena, see him being challenged, you can maybe change their views.

00:12:14.040 Who did you interview in UK when you walked on the streets, you went to restaurants, people

00:12:18.220 said, I cannot believe you, you know, put him on platformer.

00:12:21.580 Who was the number one person that you got criticism in the streets?

00:12:24.800 Probably Andrew Tate.

00:12:26.660 Above everybody.

00:12:27.560 I think so, yeah.

00:12:28.240 He's the most divisive figure that I interview on a more regular basis.

00:12:32.920 Yeah.

00:12:34.260 And it's a tricky one.

00:12:35.480 You know, I'd sort of buy into Tucker's thing that you should, if you had got a platform,

00:12:40.060 you should better interview who you like.

00:12:41.680 I mean, when he did Putin, for example, he got a lot of stick for doing it.

00:12:45.500 But would any journalist turn down the chance of interviewing Vladimir Putin?

00:12:49.400 And if you're honest, would you go to Moscow and then start haranguing him to his face?

00:12:54.040 Probably not.

00:12:55.100 So, you know, I would probably say I'll interview him.

00:12:57.680 I can't even go there because I'm on his sanctions list.

00:13:00.100 But if I say, look, next time you're in Washington or London, I'll do an interview with you.

00:13:05.400 I'd probably feel more comfortable because then you can ask him tougher questions.

00:13:08.580 This is who, Tate?

00:13:09.440 No, Putin.

00:13:10.280 Oh, Putin.

00:13:11.040 Yeah.

00:13:11.380 So have you reached out to one of his stuff?

00:13:13.840 Yeah.

00:13:13.960 Yeah.

00:13:14.300 We've had no from him.

00:13:15.620 Yeah.

00:13:15.880 He's had no from him.

00:13:16.720 Yeah.

00:13:17.120 I did Zelensky in Kiev.

00:13:18.480 That was a good interview.

00:13:19.220 Yeah.

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Valuetainment - November 12, 2025

＂Held Nothing Back Going After Me＂ - Piers Morgan QUESTIONS Tucker’s 'Softball' Fuentes Interview

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