How A Secret Society Created The Federal Reserve At Jekyll Island
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In this episode of Valuetainment, G. Edward Griffin joins me to discuss his new book, Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. G.E.G. talks about how he got into the banking industry and why he believes that the Fed is a fraud.
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Why are these competitors meeting together and coming to some kind of an agreement?
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These guys dominated most of the wealth of the world and here they were putting together a
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piece of legislation. Some historians have referred to that as the dawning of the age
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of the cartel, a banking cartel. Now when you say most of the wealth in the world,
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how much money are you talking about? I have no idea but it's unimaginable.
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So what's been the positive impact and the negative impact?
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I cannot think of any positive impact. Any? None? It's a parasite. It's a fraud. It's based on
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a lie. They have to talk endlessly about stabilizing the economy and making jobs and preserving the
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purchase power of the dollar and all these good things. That's just for cover. All they're
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concerned about is what is best for the banks. So then that means the Federal Reserve, all it did
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is it became an insurance policy to prevent banks from going out of business. It was not real insurance
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at all. It's a political scheme. The Federal Reserve, which is supposed to be the party to
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prevent all of this stuff, gets a failing mark on its report card. So how have the American people
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paid a price for the 1913 Federal Reserve Act? This idea of money with nothing. There's been no
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country that's ever survived. It's always collapsed economically. Is it media? Is it politicians? Is it
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China? What is the biggest threat today that we're facing? As long as the humans and this planet
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can be programmed and passively accept a condition where they accept authority without question,
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My guest today is G. Edward Griffin, somebody that you may not know a lot about, but the people in
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the business world, the money world, the world that follows capitalism, maybe some of the people
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that follow the red pill, the people that take the red pill, he wrote a book, Creature from Jekyll
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Island. If you've never read this book, it's a second look at the Federal Reserve. This book has sold
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nearly a million copies. He's written 48 books, done documentaries. He was in the military before,
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and he's someone that can give you a different perspective on the words of capitalism, socialism,
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and the current state of things in America that can get you to think a little bit. So I'd like you
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to watch today's interview from an open mind. With that being said, G. Edward Griffin, thank you so
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much for being a guest on Valuetainment. Well, thank you for inviting me. It's a real pleasure.
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And I have to give this disclaimer to everybody so they're not confused, that you are not Anthony
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Hopkins' brother. You guys are not related, yes or no? We just have, everybody needs to know that.
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No, we're not related, no. Okay, all right, that's good. So now that we have set that aside,
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let's get right into it. Look, I got a lot of things I'd like to speak to you about. Obviously,
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things are weird right now. Economy's weird right now. You know, the pandemic's changed the game,
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protesting, riots, vaccine, election. A lot of things are going on. But I'd like to kind of go
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a little bit back to you writing this book because we've had a lot of guests on that I ask about the
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Federal Reserve. Why was it started? How was it started? And you know, there's a lot of different
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stories to it. And I've had a Daniel DiMartino Booth, who's an economist. She has a complete
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different spin on what she thinks about the Federal Reserve and Jekyll Island. And Nomi Prince,
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who's also an economist, former Goldman Sachs, a member of Goldman Sachs. She tells the story
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very similar to the way you tell it, but I want to hear it from you. You know, you wrote this book
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to highlight and give people a different perspective of how the Federal Reserve was started. So,
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number one, how was it started? What was the outcome? Who was involved? Why did it happen?
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Okay, I love that, starting from the beginning. Of course, that's not really the beginning,
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because the Federal Reserve is an extension of a scheme of banking that was generated in Europe
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a couple hundred years prior to this. But the action starts as far as we are concerned
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in America in the year 1910. The Federal Reserve Act was passed into law in 1913, but the action was
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going on before that. And basically, what we're talking about here is that at that period of history,
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the turn of that last century, there was a lot of concern among the American people about banking.
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They were angry at the banks. The banks were failing. They weren't keeping their promises
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to guard the deposits that people had. They thought their deposits were being held in the vault,
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a silly assumption, when in fact all the money was being loaned out. Yet the banks were saying,
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yeah, it's a demand deposit. You give us the money. You can have it anytime you want it. Just come and ask for
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it. And that that worked only for about seven percent of the deposits. The rest of them were
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all loaned out. And so when people started to come and ask for the deposits, it didn't take long before
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those lines exceeded seven percent. And the banks had to close their doors. Some of them went bankrupt.
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People lost their savings. It crushed the economy a couple of times. And people were concerned,
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and they were writing to their congressmen. And they were saying, we want that we want a law to
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control these big bad bankers on Wall Street in New York. So the cry was out and the alarm was out.
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And the politicians, you know, they always listen to their constituents. They listen to the ones that
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send checks with their letters better than the ones that don't. But anyway, they listen. And so they
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decided they were going to pass a law to control the banks in America. So this is where the story begins
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in my book on Jekyll Island. What the heck is that all about? It turns out that the top bankers
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decided they weren't going to wait around for Congress to come up with a law to control their
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industry. They decided, why should we wait around and see what happens and how we're going to deal
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with it? We will create the law. We will be in the lead of calling for reform. But we must not let
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the world know that we are doing it. So it was necessary to lay their initial plans under conditions of
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considerable secrecy. And so they decided not to do it in Washington, D.C.
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They decided to meet with each other and they all got on a private railroad car of Senator Aldridge,
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who was the senator in charge of drafting this new legislation. He was the chairman of the National
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Monetary Commission, I think it was called. And he had a private, very wealthy guy. He was
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related in many ways, financially and in bloodline to a lot of the bankers. So he had a private railroad
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car and he invited all his banker buddies that he was familiar with to get on that train. And they took
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a two night and a day trip south to Jekyll Island, Georgia. And there they crossed from Brunswick,
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Georgia. They crossed the Inland Straits, took a ferry boat across. There was a bridge there now,
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but then they had to take a ferry boat. And the island was owned by these bankers and some of the great
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industrialists that they were friends. It was a private resort island and it was called the Jekyll
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Island Club. They had a beautiful clubhouse there, which is still there by the way. And I'll talk about
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that maybe a little bit later. And so they went there and they sat around a table for a whole week
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and they hammered out the deal that they were going to draft the reform bill that the public was
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clamoring for. But they had to do this in secret because if the wind had gotten a whiff, if it had
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been on the wind and people knew that the bankers were drafting this bill, of course, the cat would
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have been out of the bag and nobody would have taken it seriously. So it was a great task to keep
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it secret. And when I looked at that, I decided there are very few wars of history that were planned
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under greater secrecy than that. I won't bore you with the details, but some of the details are
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interesting is that they decided to go to the railroad station in New Jersey. One by one,
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the instructions were don't be seen together, don't have dinner together, and to avoid newspapers
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at all costs. In those days, the newspaper reporters used to hang out at that station because that was
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the main way in and out of New York was through the railroad station there. And so they would wait
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for a celebrity or a politician to show up and they grab a picture and get an interview. And so they were
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worried about that. And that's why they didn't want to be seen together. One of the, uh, one of these
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guys is a banker, uh, carried a shotgun and a big black case, kind of conspicuous. And, um, he was
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prepared to, um, if he had been stopped and asked, where's he going? He would have, well, I'm going on a
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duck hunting trip. And it was funny because we find out later from his children who commented on this
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and gave testimony on it. And his biographer who all said that he never fired a shotgun or
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any kind of a gun in his life. He borrowed, he borrowed that shotgun from a friend just for,
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he could use that as an excuse. They didn't want anybody to know that they were going being, you
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know, together on this kind of a meeting because it would raise questions. Even when they got on board
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the train, uh, they were instructed when talking to each other in the privacy of this car to address
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each other by last, I mean, by first names only, not their last names. And I thought when I read
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that, oh, this is nonsense. Why would they do that? And then one of them wrote in his memoirs
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years later that, yes, they did do that. And he said, the reason we did it is we didn't want the
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servants on board the train to know who we all were. So they addressed each other by first names.
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And, um, two of them, uh, even addressed and created false first names. They called each other
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Orville and, and, you know, um, and Wright, the two Wright brothers, uh, because they said they were
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always right. It was kind of a joke, kind of a joke. So anyway, they got there. Everything was
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secret. They had dismissed the usual employees on the island. They had all part-time employees.
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Everything was done so that the world would never know that such a meeting took place. And when I read
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that, I thought, okay, when something is done in secret, there's usually something to hide.
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What is it that they were trying to hide? Well, it didn't take long to figure it out. First of all,
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they were trying to hide the fact that this legislation for banking reform was being written
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by the banks themselves who were causing the problem. Secondly, uh, they wanted to, um,
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they wanted to present it in such a way that nobody wouldn't understand that what they were forming
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was a cartel. It had to look like it was legislation, but if anybody knew that they,
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they, who were competitors, these, these were the tops of various banks who were competing with each
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other. And they had ties, close ties with international banks who often would compete
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with each other for big deals, big loans, and so forth. And it would raise questions to say,
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why are these competitors meeting together and coming to some kind of an agreement? And it wouldn't
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take long before you could figure out that, and after all, this was the turn of the last century,
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and some historians have referred to that as the dawning of the age of the cartel. Well, this is
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exactly what they were creating. It was not a government agency they were creating. They were creating a
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cartel, no different than a banana cartel, an oil cartel. It just happened to be a banking cartel.
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So all of these things had to be concealed from the public, which is why they went to Jekyll Island.
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So when they got it all done, they went back to Washington, D.C., of course. Senator Aldrich took
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this cartel agreement, and figuratively speaking, he took an eraser and erased the name cartel agreement
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from the top of it. And for political purposes, it became now known as the Federal Reserve Act. It
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became a bill. So they know nothing congressmen and senators that really didn't understand what
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was going on, except they thought, well, this was legislation that's going to make me look good,
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because I can say I'm all for banking reform. And so they voted for it, thinking it was really
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banking reform. And then when you look at the nature of it, it was all about how to preserve
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the advantages that the banks had and how they could continue to dominate the whole financial
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industry without new competition coming in and displacing their strong position. And they could
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do it in the name of serving the people. Not only that, there was a bonus thrown on top of it. They
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had gone there just primarily just to control their own industry so that nobody could tinker with their
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deals. But before they walked out of this whole thing, they had gotten the power to create the
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nation's money supply. That was not part of the original plan. It's hard to figure out who thought
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of that. But it would have been absurd to say that here's a nation, the United States, which like all
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nations had its sovereign right to issue its own money, would give up that right and give it to the
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private banks and say, OK, we're not going to issue United States money. We'll let the private banks
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issue United States money. And nobody will notice that there was a switch because it'll still say United States of
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America on top of the bills. But instead of saying United States of America Treasury note, now it says
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United States of America Federal Reserve System. So they got everything they wanted, plus a bonus,
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which was to capture control of the ability to issue money on behalf of the United States. So that is the
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short version of what happened and how it happened. Nobody understood it. It was complicated. They
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concealed it in very academic type language. They had a lot of college professors talking about it,
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you know, ratios of this and as funny words that nobody ever heard of. And but it was really one of
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the greatest crimes of all history. That's what I discovered when I started to read about it. And so I
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decided to tell the story, not as a like a like a textbook on money and banking, but as the story of a crime,
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which it was. So instead of talking about the details of banking, I talked about the crime,
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who did it, why they did it, how they did it and where they buried the body and what that means to us.
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So, you know, when, when, um, Sir G when, when, uh, somebody listens to that, if you're comfortable
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with me calling you, Mr. G, is that okay with you?
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Okay. So, so, you know, when I listened to your story and you're going through this,
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so on one end, it's very convincing and I said, okay, this is great. I cannot believe this took
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place. These guys are getting together on the other end. If I'm a skeptic and some people who
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are not fans of yours, they may say, well, what are your sources? What, how did you get all this
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research to get all this data? Where did that come from? Why should somebody sit here and say,
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well, he's telling the truth. He's not, you know, you know, internet research. What kind of research
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were you getting? Did you meet these folks? Did you interview their assistant? What did you get your
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information from? Yeah, that's a very important, uh, issue because when I started down this, uh,
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track, I understood I was dealing with information that really I had never heard about before.
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And it was almost unbelievable. Even though I'm looking at the documents, I think, is this true?
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It can't be true. And I knew that, uh, I knew that it was true, but I knew that people would be
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questioning just like you suggested. So from the beginning, I decided that I wouldn't put anything
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in there unless I could document it now documented, how from original sources. In other words,
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everything I have said a moment ago and everything in the bloody book is documented from references
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that are written by the people themselves who participated in this crime. I'm talking about
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their own private letters, their own documents, their own books, uh, their own family talking about
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it. This is original sources. None of it, none of it comes from critics of the Federal Reserve.
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Almost every one of them are either neutral about it or very fond of the Federal Reserve system.
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And, uh, so I, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because, uh, sometimes I think that I have too
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many footnotes in my book. I've got just hundreds, if not thousands of footnotes.
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I mean, I see. I just want to make sure the viewer gets that as well, you know, to, to know that
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where the content came from. I did not want to have to, to have a stand in front of an audience
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and blush and say, well, I don't know where I got that. I mean, somebody said, so that was not going
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to work. So, uh, yeah, it all comes from the sources of the people themselves who were putting
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this, uh, this creature together. Got it. And, and who were, they were very proud of what they
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were doing. They thought that it was a great thing. Their mentality appears to be that, uh, yeah,
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we understand that this is something that the average person probably shouldn't know about
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because they might be alarmed if they thought that there was that much power in our hands.
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But after all, it's necessary because they're too stupid to understand how great a system we're
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putting together is for them. It's for their own good. You understand it was kind of their mentality.
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So they, I think in their own mind thought that everything they were doing was for the betterment
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of mankind. And the fact that it happened to make them trillionaires didn't, well, that wasn't
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their motive. Of course, you know, for, for some people that don't know these individuals
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that were involved in this meeting, who were the people actually involved in a meeting at Jekyll
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Island? Yeah, that's important to know that, uh, these are all the heads of the, of the biggest
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banks in America with, uh, connections to the biggest banks in the world overseas. And, uh, and
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it's, remember these are formerly competitors and they're coming together. I'd like to read their
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names to you. Uh, the first one I've already mentioned, who was Nelson Aldridge. Uh, he was the head
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of the, uh, uh, the commission that put the whole thing together. The, uh, he was chairman of the
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National Monetary Commission, they called it. But the interesting thing is he was also a business
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associate of JP Morgan and he was the father-in-law to John D Rockefeller Jr. So, you know, that was
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his connection. And, uh, Abraham Piat Andrew was the second guy there. He was the assistant secretary
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of the U S treasury. But, uh, that doesn't tell you enough because even though he was an official
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of the government, his bank, his, his background was banking. If you, maybe people have not noticed,
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but most of the secretaries of the treasury are really bankers, aren't they? That's where
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they come from the banking field. That's right. Yeah. So you talk about, uh, regulatory capture,
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you know, the banks have taken over the U S treasury and everything to do with money in the federal
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government. And this had already happened back in this day. Um, Frank A Vanderlip was the president
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of the first national city bank of New York. And that was one of the most, uh, powerful banks of
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the time. And he represented the financial interests of, uh, William Rockefeller and the
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international banking house of Kuhn Loeb and company. Then there was Henry P Davison, who was the senior
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partner of the JP Morgan company. Benjamin Strong was there. He was head of JP Morgan's
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bankers trust company. Paul Warburg was there. Uh, he's more important than all of the others
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in terms of putting it together because he was the guy that had the connections in Europe. Uh,
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he was a partner in the Kuhn Loeb and company. He also represented the banking, uh, fraternity
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or the, the clan, you might call it, uh, that dominated, uh, Europe at the time, France and England
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in particular. And, uh, his brother, Max Warburg was, uh, Max Warburg was the head of the war banking
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consortium in Germany and the Netherlands. Now you put all these things together. These guys dominated,
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uh, about, you know, most of the wealth of the world. And here they were putting together a piece
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of legislation that's supposed to control the big, bad bankers. Now, when you say most of the wealth in
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the world, uh, uh, how much money are you talking about? Like comparable to today's money, how wealthy
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were the Rockefellers and the JP Morgan chase if they were compared to today's wealth?
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Well, I don't know how to express it in terms of dollars. All I can say is sometimes it's not how
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much money you actually hold, although they certainly held a tremendous amount of it. And I think,
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I think the official estimates of some of the people who were writing about this at the time
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in the New York times, I was going through the microfilm and reading all the editorial comments
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and the letters to the editors from people who had positions of authority writing and expressing
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their views on this. And I came up with several quotes that I have in my book where these guys
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were estimating that this consortium that I just mentioned controlled one fourth of the wealth of
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the entire world. Now that I noticed the word control, that doesn't mean they owned it, but you don't
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have to own something to control something. And if you, for example, they owned the insurance companies.
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Well, the insurance companies had invested in stocks and a lot of corporations and the insurance
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companies actually controlled the voting of the stock. So they, a big enough block of it anyway,
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that they could determine who is elected as the president and they could determine the board of
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directors and all that sort of thing. They could only maybe hold 5% or 3% of the actual stock of the
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company. But if you can concentrate that much in a big corporation, it's pretty easy, relatively easy
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to dominate it. So when you add all of that together, these people controlled one fourth of
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the world of the financials of the world, assets of the world at that time. How many dollars that
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would be? I have no idea, but it's just unimaginable and it didn't get it. It hasn't gotten any better
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since then. I can tell you that. So, so once they, once they had this meeting at Jekyll Island,
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they all agreed that they're coming out with the federal reserve act. How was it sold to the
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American people once they left? Well, it was sold to the American people on the basis that it was
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for their good, that this would last was a means of, uh, controlling the big, bad bankers and making
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sure that the, uh, the banks operated honestly, that they weren't going to go bankrupt and people
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wouldn't lose their deposits in the banks anymore. It would all be backed by the good faith, uh,
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and credit of the United States government. And there would be, you know, very trustworthy people
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overlooking every aspect of the business to make sure there were no inside deals and all that sort
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of thing. It was sold as the, just a wonderful thing. And, um, the, that's the message, at least
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that was the, uh, the story. But it's interesting when you get in and see that a lot of that story was
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coming from the bankers themselves. They had hired, you know, they'd hired published relations firms and
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they had formed organizations that looked like they were grassroots organizations,
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but they were formed by people, economists. Sometimes they were professors, sometimes they
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were business people, but who all were dependent, uh, economically dependent upon the bankers for their
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livelihood. And they would go out and form some local group like the Chicago committee for banking
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reform or something like that. And they'd get some college professor who had a nice grant coming from
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one of the banks and they would write a pamphlet or give some speeches and say, this is a wonderful
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thing. This is going to really, this is going to stabilize the economy of America and preserve
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the savings of the average person. So it was coming from everywhere. But what people didn't know is that
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the finances for it was all coming from the same source, which was the banking industry. And even some
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of the bankers went so far as to write articles and give speeches that they knew would be publicized
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where they criticized the very thing they had created. They had said in a couple of speeches
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that I quoted in my book, uh, one guy had said that, that, well, you know, this isn't, this is going
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to be bad for America. It's, it's going to, it's going to hurt business if we do this. And you know,
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a lot of people read that in the newspaper and I can just hear it over the breakfast table. Hey,
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Maude, listen to this. The bankers don't like this federal reserve act very much must be pretty good.
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You know? So they were playing that game. They were playing a brilliant psychological game selling
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this thing. And that's how they got it through. How, how has this ever since it came out hurt
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America? How has it helped? So what's been the positive impact and the negative impact?
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Well, it sounds extreme to say that I cannot think of any positive impact, but it's true. I cannot
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think of any positive impact. None. None. I cannot think of any because it's a parasite. It's a fraud.
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It's based on a lie. It's, it's a, it's a cartel. Now we have to understand when a cartel is formed,
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it has only one purpose and that's to advance the benefit of the members of the cartel, period.
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Anything beyond that, I mean, if you were president or an executive officer of a oil cartel,
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and you started talking about what's good for the people of Venezuela or, or, or, or, you know,
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Mexico, and maybe we ought to cut our prices and our profit margins so we can benefit the poor people
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of Mexico, you'd be out of a job in a heartbeat. So the same thing is true with the banking cartel.
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They have to talk endlessly about stabilizing the economy and, you know, making jobs and,
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and preserving the purchase power of the dollar and all these good things, but in their hearts,
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no, that's, that's just for cover. All they're concerned about is what is best for the banks.
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And if you doubt that, just take a look at the report card. If we were to give the Federal Reserve
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system a report card from 1913 on when it was formed supposedly to stabilize the purchasing power
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of the dollar, let's say, and to provide, you know, all these good benefits for the people,
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it would get, it would fail to be at failing marks all the way done. It has never succeeded in doing
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that. It's, it's led us into a couple of the greatest depressions you can imagine. It's leading
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us into a huge depression any day. Now it's already happening at the state, the purchasing power of the
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dollar is, has lost 90, 97% since 1913. It takes, yeah, 97% of the purchasing power of the dollar
00:25:32.480
has been lost since 1913 under the guidance of the Federal Reserve system.
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How do you come up with that number? How, how, how is that number? When you say 97%,
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that means it's 3 cents to a dollar. How do you, how do you come up with that number? 97%.
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Those numbers come from the Federal Reserve system itself, believe it or not,
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because there are studies on what, what is inflation? What's the inflationary effect?
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And they, those numbers are really easy to find, by the way. It's kind of hard to distort them.
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They're just hard numbers. What does it cost to buy a pound of hamburger, you know, in 1913 or today?
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What does it cost for a quart of milk or a gallon of gas? And they, they have these baskets of things.
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They keep changing it to try and soften the impact, but no matter how often they change it,
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even in my lifetime, I remember for, for a penny, you know, talk about penny candy in those days,
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for a penny, I could go to a candy store and get a nice big chunk of candy, one that cost me a dollar
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today, you know, or, or 50 cents for sure. Anyway, they, these numbers are readily available.
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And so if anybody wants to, it doubts it. And I don't blame them because it's a harsh figure.
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Look it up. It's a, you'll find it easily on the internet. 97% has been, the purchasing power has
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been eroded since 1913. So the Federal Reserve, which is supposed to be the guardian to prevent
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all of this stuff, gets a failing mark on its report card. But now if you understand, as I learned,
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that that is not the goal of the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve is not a government agency.
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It's not formed to protect the people. It's the cartel. It is formed to protect the banks.
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Now, if you realize that that is their goal and give another report card, man, they get all A's
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because the banks always get bailed out every time they get into trouble. The banks may fail,
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but they get the taxpayers to cough up the money somehow. And they're back in business again,
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doing all their same tricks again. The banks are always making record profits. And so we understand
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that's a cartel. And on that basis, it gets all straight A's.
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So what, what can, I guess the part that it goes for me is the following. You have 1913 as Federal
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Reserve. And then I believe it's August 15th of 71 is when we went away from gold standard. It may be
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August 18 or August 15 of 71, when we went away from the gold standard during Nixon era. So if you have
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Federal Reserve, you have gold standard, you have quantitative easing, right? Which is,
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let's print as much money as possible to bail people out. If there's gold standard,
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can the country keep printing money even though we are on a gold standard?
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It depends on the standard. They speak of the gold standard that we were on and it wasn't a pure
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standard. It was a percentage, a sliding scale. I don't think the, the currency has ever been on
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a hundred percent standard. It's always been partial. If it, if it were a hundred percent,
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in other words, if every dollar that was printed had to be backed a hundred percent by gold or silver,
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silver, which has never been the case as I, I'm pretty sure not in America, then you could,
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you cannot print any money until they're that bullion is in the vault. But if the standard is
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say 50% gold, and that's called fractional reserve banking, which it always has been,
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banks are allowed to loan more than they actually have in the vault. And when they do that, they give
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it a fancy name. They call it a fractional reserve. Oh, that makes it, that makes it okay,
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because now we have a name for it. That means that they can loan money that they don't have.
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It's amazing. It's an amazing deal. And the, the fraction has always gone down. It starts off high.
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And then almost every year they have a new law or a new rule or regulation where the fraction can be
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increased or decreased in this case until finally it's 50% and then 40% and 30, 22, 22%, 5%. And now it's
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zero percent, of course, has been zero for a long time. So when you have no reserves, fractional
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reserves at all, anything solid behind it, then there's, there's no limit to the amount of money
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you can create. Now it's not as easy as that because it's, it's, it's even worse than creating
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money out of nothing. They create money out of debt. It's important to know that every dollar in a fiat
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system like ours comes into existence only when somebody borrows it. This is where the banks come
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in because remember the banks make their money on interest on loans. So loans are the lifeblood of the
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banking industry. So anything that gives the bank unlimited inventory of money that they can loan out,
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they like that. If you restrict their inventory and they can only loan out a little bit because that's
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the only goal they have, they don't like that because they're losing opportunities to make
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interest. So the idea has always been from the beginnings to make that reserve requirement as
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small as possible. And then finally, after, you know, 1971, it just gone completely. Now there's no
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requirement at all. So the banks have unlimited inventory of money that they can loan out. All they
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have to do now is convince people to borrow it, which is why they're always sending you stuff through
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the mail. Wouldn't you like to take out a new credit card? Wouldn't you like to, you know, borrow some
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money on your house? Wouldn't you like to have a new car? They're always trying to promote loans.
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And then of course, the big deal is that they go to countries, the third world countries and say,
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how would you like a billion dollars to improve your infrastructure? You know, and the politicians
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there are thinking, hmm, billion dollars, that's a lot of money. I could get half of that for my house
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and my yacht and the others, we'll build a dam with what's left over. So they go for it. And of course,
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they can't pay it back. And then the banks knew that in the beginning, they'll never be able to pay it
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back. So now the banks can move in and start to take over the natural resources of that country
00:31:22.960
as collateral against the loan. They put nothing into it except money that they created by the loan
00:31:28.160
itself. The loan was backed by the natural resources of the country. So they can't pay the loan or the
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interest. Now the banks get access to the natural resources of the country. It's a beautiful deal.
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I mean, when I say beautiful, I mean, it's horrible, but this is how the banking industry
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has grown and grown and become so powerful in politics and economics all over the world.
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They literally control countries by putting them into debt. I'm familiar with that. I don't know
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if you're familiar with Economic Hitman by John Perkins. He wrote the book. I mean, that's pretty
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much the business model. And that's what China is doing right now with Africa, with a lot of different
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countries. They put $15 billion into Armenia, $400 billion into Iran. It's a model that actually
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works very effectively, by the way, and you force them out. But okay, so pre-1913, pre-Federal Reserve,
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did banks have a limit on how much they could lend out? Yes, there was some limit. And of course,
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it depended on the state. Remember, prior to 1913, the same deal that I'm talking about,
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the same fractional reserve banking system was in operation. That didn't start in 1913.
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That had been in existence long before that. And each state had its own rules and regulations as to
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what discounts were and what the reserve ratios would be and so forth. None of them were very good.
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And in fact, that's the era in which all these banks were going belly up. And so the federal
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government was called in to fix the problem that had not been fixed by the states themselves.
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The states were just as caught in the trap as the federal government later became. And so the
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problem predated the federal reserve system by quite a bit, by a couple hundred years.
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So then that means the federal reserve, all it did is it became an insurance policy to prevent
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banks from going out of business. Outside of that, what other negative did it do?
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Well, I think that in itself was negative because it wasn't really insurance. It was
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a scam insurance. All they did was say, look, we'll all join together so that while some banks
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are failing, maybe the others on this side of the aisle can bail them out. But they never really
00:33:45.840
went into insurance. Because how would you insure something like that? No insurance company that had
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to show a profit to its stockholders would ever take on that kind of a risk.
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They called it an insurance company. They called it the FDIC. But what they were doing is forcing
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the taxpayers to guarantee the losses of the bank. Those premiums were not coming from the banks
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completely because the FDIC knew that they didn't have adequate funding for it. So that when the day of
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reckoning came, they would go to the taxpayers and say, okay, we're just going to create more
00:34:22.160
money out of nothing to pay off the insurance. It was not real insurance at all. It was a political
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scheme. So how have the American people paid a price for the 1913 Federal Reserve Act? What's the
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what's the price we've paid? Well, the price we paid is the loss of 97% of our savings. Anybody
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that's lived long enough, and they put a dollar away back in 1913, and pulled it out of the bank today,
00:34:50.800
and tried to spend it, they get about 3 cents worth of purchasing power. Now, of course, if they had left
00:34:57.920
it in the banks or some investment, they would be overcoming some of that. But in net, they would have
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lost purchasing power in spite of the interest. And of course, today, there's literally no interest at
00:35:09.360
all worthwhile considering. So it's a means of stealing your savings. That's the biggest thing.
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That's why people are having trouble to retire. It's a disincentive to saving. People say, well,
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it's better to go into debt, because I can, let's say I buy a house today, and I'm going to pay,
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I'm going to owe, let's say $50,000 in interest. And that's what I, that's going to be my cost for
00:35:33.520
the debt, $50,000. But I'm going to take 30 years to pay it off, or whatever the numbers are. But by the
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time I get to year 20 or 30, why, those dollars would be pennies, it'd be easy to come by. So I really
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make out well. So it's a disincentive for people to save money, because they know that their savings
00:35:51.600
will be destroyed. And if they go into debt, they'll, they'll do well. So it's kind of, it's a, a dead
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short across the system, against the economy of the system, where nobody's working on, on assets
00:36:03.920
anymore, it's all on debt. And they don't realize that that means a significant proportion of all of the
00:36:09.680
productivity of whatever venture comes out of that loan, if it's a business venture, it goes to the
00:36:16.240
banks as interest on this money created out of debt, instead of going into the pockets of the
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people who produce the asset to build the house or mix the cement, or design the house and so forth.
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It gets siphoned off to the financial services industry. And this is not productive at all.
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It hurts in that way. It also hurts and because it hurts because the system eventually falls apart.
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In history, there's never been a nation or a culture or a geographical system that's followed
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this, this idea of money out of nothing. There's been no country that's ever survived that. It's
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always collapsed economically. And, and usually concurrently with foreign invasions, when they
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realize that the nation is weak and it's struggling, it's on its knees. And some foreign invader comes in
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and says, aha, this is our moment. Don't think the Chinese are not looking at us with that kind of a
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thought in mind. But, but you're saying that you're saying this has never happened in history.
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Has there ever been a nation that has experienced as much exponential growth from 1913 till today,
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the amount of wealth that has been made and the amount of technology advancement that America has
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created due to being able to, uh, uh, loan money to innovators that have turned that into business.
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Yes, we've lost a lot, but we've turned it into a lot of economy and jobs and all this other stuff.
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When, when in history has this happened where we can look back and say, look, what happened to
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dot, dot, dot, they had their own federal reserve and keep this in mind. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not
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sitting here endorsing federal reserve. I'm not defending them. All I'm trying to do is I'm trying
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to give you all the arguments of what an opposition would say to see what your response is to that.
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So one, when has it ever been where an empire as big as America had their own federal reserve
00:38:02.800
where a handful of people went away and made that decision and it eventually fell. And if it fell,
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why did it fall? And number two, if we didn't have the 1913 federal reserve where the lending was
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taking place with banks for them to make more money, what if that lending didn't take place?
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Would we have the level of innovation that we've had in the last 107 years?
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Yeah, those are questions that need to be asked. You're quite right. This is, these are the kinds
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of arguments that we hear all the time. First time I came across that was shortly after my book was
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published. I was scared to death because, you know, I, I wrote this book about banking and money,
00:38:40.240
and that was not my field. Didn't know anything, didn't know beans about it when I started. And I
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thought, man, I've, I've made so many mistakes here. I'm sure that once the book is out, I'm going to be
00:38:51.120
crucified by some college professor or some banking president that's going to say, well,
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you're wrong on this and you're wrong on that. It just, I'm going to be destroyed, but here I go.
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And so I was nervous about that in the months that followed the publication of the book.
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And then finally, uh, the day happened, I was on tour and I was invited to a radio station back
00:39:10.800
on the East coast. And I was going to talk about my book, of course. But when I got to the studio,
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I found out that it was not really me being interviewed, but it was going to be a debate.
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And, uh, on the other side of the debate, there was a college professor from the local college,
00:39:24.880
and he was a professor of money and banking. I thought, here's my day. This is the day I die.
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And so I sat down on opposite sides of the table with this guy and the microphone in each side.
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And, uh, so the interviewer asked me to present my case and I did a condensed version of it probably
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took me about three minutes to sort of summarize the answer to your questions. What, what's the harm?
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What, what does this cost us? Why we don't like it and so forth. And I went through all of that.
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And then he turned over to the college professor and said, what is your comment on that?
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And it was a long pause and I'm waiting and waiting, waiting and another long, and this is what he said.
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He said, well, everything he says is true, but we're living well, aren't we? And there it was, there it was.
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That is the only argument I have ever heard coming from the academic field, because everything I said,
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fortunately was true. When I say fortunately, I mean, I hadn't made any mistakes, um, or serious ones.
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Um, but unfortunately it's, it's was true because it was so damaging to the economy. So that is the
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argument that we were living well, aren't we? And of course the first part of the answer to that
00:40:44.400
question is no, we're not. Uh, some people are living very well and people like the professor and
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people in the banking fraternity and people in commerce who benefit from all this easy loan and
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who benefit from government grants that come out of this. They do well because they're on the high
00:41:02.240
end of this, but the people at the bottom end of the structure are not doing as well because they're,
00:41:08.240
they're losing their savings. They're losing their purchasing power. The middle class is being pushed
00:41:12.960
down and these, these are the unnoticed people. They work harder and harder. They get pay raises every
00:41:18.800
year. Oh, Hey Mary, look, I got it. I got a 5% pay raise. Hooray, hooray. And she says, yeah,
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but the cost of groceries went up 6% this year, you know? So he was looking at the high end of
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the social structure and economic structure. And I'm looking at the whole thing. When you put it
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all together, we weren't living as well. And the theory behind that is that with all of the business
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failures and the, and the loss of money and the theft of money from one class to another, that all of
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these things are worth it. So long as the nation as a whole advances in productivity. What if we didn't
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have any of that? The assumption is that if we didn't steal from everybody, if we didn't lie to
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them, if we take that out of the equation, then we couldn't advance. Somehow we'd be eating meat
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in a cave. We'd still be cavemen. And I believe that's just the opposite of the truth without the,
00:42:09.520
without the drain on the economy that these banks have caused, the short circuit across the hot wires,
00:42:15.840
taking the profits of productivity out of the hands of people who produce and put it into the hands of
00:42:21.520
people who don't produce, but simply manipulate the money system. I think that has hurt the thing
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that we want to see. I think, I think our standard of living and all of the things you mentioned would
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be twice as high without that. So if we only look at one class of society and we only look at the
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benefit without thinking of the, of the harm that's been done, then we could come up with that conclusion.
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But when we put the whole thing together and shake it up in a bag and look what's in there,
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it doesn't look good. It's negative as far as I can see. So what if we didn't do that? You
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really think America's innovation would be at the levels that we have today, 107 years later?
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Oh, that's easy. My belief, now this is, we don't know because it's never been tried. No,
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no, no quote civilized society has ever tried to get along without this, with this, uh,
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fractional reserve banking. But my belief is that yes, we would be far more advanced than we are now.
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How? How? Well, because, because our, our progress might've been, uh, slower because money was not so
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easy, but it wouldn't have been the ups and the downs, the booms and the busts. See, we always
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think about the booms, but we forget what happens when the bust happens and people are on the streets
00:43:29.680
and asking for food and they're out of a job and so forth. We just think, oh, the prosperity. Yeah,
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it's the sawtooth. In general, if you're back far enough away and don't see the sawtooth in there,
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it looks like it's going up and it is. But if you get close enough to see the ups and the downs
00:43:43.680
of this progress, I think if we took, if we just lowered the upside of the sawtooth in order to
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eliminate or decrease the downside of the sawtooth, that the flattened curve, as they like to call it
00:43:56.160
today, would have a steeper ascendancy than the one with all the sawtooth spikes. I'm really trying to
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see that, you know, I I'm in the business world and I'm a, I'm a math guy and I've been in the
00:44:07.920
financial industry since the day before nine 11. So I'm series seven, 66, 31, 26 life and health.
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And if you buy an American funds, mutual fund called investment company act of America,
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it was started. I want to say in 1934. Okay. If you open up the perspectives from 1934 till today,
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you will see a rate of return on average of 12% from 1934 till today. Now for full disclosure,
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the last time I sold a mutual fund was in September of 2009. So I have not sold a mutual fund since
00:44:44.400
September of 2009. I have to just kind of put that out there. So when you do look at the economy
00:44:49.520
from 34 till today, it has, I mean, that's just not, not the economy. Well, one of the perspectives,
00:44:55.280
a fund, but even if you go to the SMP 500 and you look at an average, you'll see the number 10 or 12%
00:45:01.360
that the market's grown year after year, after year, after year, after year, of course, we've had
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a crisis. Of course, we've had wars. We've had assassinations. We've had very unfortunate events
00:45:10.960
that's taken place. But, but for you to say that we would be at the same level of innovation and
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advancements as we are today, if not more, if we didn't lend, I don't see how that's possible because
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it's kind of like saying the following in the business world. If you go listen to a Reed Hastings,
00:45:29.460
he is the founder. He's a gentleman running Netflix. And you're probably familiar with the
00:45:34.540
name Reed Hastings. He just came out with a book. A lot of these Silicon Valley guys or the entrepreneurs
00:45:39.340
or the venture capital, private equity guys will say, when you're starting a company, go raise as
00:45:45.960
much money as possible. Raising money is a form of going into debt. You can either get a loan,
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which you're not going to get when you're a startup, or you can go say, I'll give you 40%
00:45:57.060
of my company, 30% of my company for $28 million. For round one, you know, A, we'll do 10 million.
00:46:03.480
You know this stuff. You've read about this. You're familiar with this. So if you don't raise
00:46:08.700
the money, you can't accelerate hiring, technology, office space, advancement, partnerships. You just
00:46:17.940
can't make the product as good as you could because you have to make everything cheaper.
00:46:23.120
So I, look, I sit there and I, I, I see the negative aspects of purchasing power, 97%, which
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means a dollar is now worth 3 cents, but that's because of inflation, which they fully have control
00:46:35.180
over. And I fully see that as a big problem. I mean, you heard Powell yesterday say the fact that
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they're not going to raise the rates until 2023 until inflation goes back to 2%. But to say advancement
00:46:45.980
would be at the same level, I would really want you to dissect that a little bit more. Maybe I'm not
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getting it because I don't see how advancement would be at the same level if we weren't lending.
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Well, the assumption there is that we are not lending. I'm not talking about that.
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I think, I think lending is a very important part of financing capital projects and productive
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projects. I'm not talking about getting rid of loans or anything like that. I'm talking about
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making the loans realistic and not so easy so that people are more cautious with the loans.
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So we don't have the busts and the, and the destroyed business ventures quite so often.
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So we look at the business ventures that succeed. This is wonderful. But then we, we forget all about
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those little companies that never succeeded, collapsed because they shouldn't have been loan.
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They shouldn't have gotten the money in the first place. They were underfinanced. I think the best,
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I guess the best example of that is the, the housing bubble, the real estate bubble that we've lived
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through a couple of times, we're living through it now again, the second time.
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You could go and you could buy a house, didn't make any difference whether you were employed or not,
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made no difference how much money you earned, made no difference how expensive, you didn't have to
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prove that you could pay for that house. You could just go borrow the money and the banks knew that
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when the loan finally soured, that they'd get bailed out by the federal government. So they didn't care
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whether you, whether it was a good loan or not, because they were going to make their money
00:48:09.340
one way or the other. And that's what I'm talking about. If, if there were a real honest system
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and then the loans wouldn't be so big and so easy, but they would still be there and they would be
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more, they'd be restricted to the ventures that have the highest possibility of, of succeeding.
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And when you get all of the failures out of that picture and, and, and you've got a reduced,
00:48:32.900
let's say a portfolio of all the succeeding companies, but you've also got a huge reduction
00:48:38.300
in the failure companies as well. You put them together. My, my solid conviction is that the
00:48:45.340
growth would be slower, but it would be more even. And we would get rid of the booms and the busts
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and the end result would be better than what we actually have seen. I think of a book written by
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Henry Hazlitt, one of the original books that got me thinking as a, as a free market type of a person
00:49:03.300
years ago, Henry Hazlitt wrote a book called Economics in One Lesson. I urge everybody to read
00:49:09.480
that book. And when I first saw the title of that, I thought, this is absurd. How can there be one lesson
00:49:14.580
for something like economics, which is so diverse? So I bought the book. And by the time I got the paid
00:49:20.660
seven, I said, by golly, he did it. He got it into one lesson. So I'd like to paraphrase that lesson
00:49:25.440
for you because this, we're talking about that now. Hazlitt said, I can get this right. When analyzing
00:49:32.840
the merits or the demerits of any economic proposal, we must not consider just the effect of it on one
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person or group of people for a short period of time. But we should look at the effect on all groups
00:49:51.680
of people and all individuals over a long period of time. And that is it. When you just look at the
00:50:01.300
good things that happen and forget the bad things, for example, you look at, here's somebody that
00:50:05.720
deserves to be helped, but you don't think about all the people that don't deserve to have the money
00:50:10.900
taken out of their pockets so that you can help this one person. Maybe you put those people into
00:50:15.500
poverty. If you look at all aspects of the equation over a long period of time, it's a whole different
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story. I think that lesson of economics applies to what we're talking about.
00:50:28.600
Yeah. I mean, when you're saying honest system, what is really an honest system? Because
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I have kids, I have three kids. I'm not aware if you have kids or yourself, but if you do have kids,
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you know how kids are. If you tell them you can't do this, you already know what they're going to be
00:50:47.740
doing. If you put certain rules, kids want to break the rules. And not much is different than
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adults. If you create certain rules, we have a tendency to want to break rules, right? If you create
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laws, I don't know how many people here have gone 66 miles an hour on a 65 or, you know, even maybe
00:51:06.060
75 or 85, there's an element of wanting to break the rules a little bit for us where it's going to
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happen. The only thing when I sit there and I look at America, here's how I see America. And I may be
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wrong, but this is how I view America. And I'd love to see your take on this. I see if America was an
00:51:23.120
individual, you take all the countries, say the 200 plus countries that we have, if America was an
00:51:29.700
individual, America would be the one that is not comfortable being one of the best, is not comfortable
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being a top 10, a top 50, is not comfortable just being content and living a regular life. I see America
00:51:46.240
as the individual that says, I want to be the best of the best of the best. I want to, I want to be
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Michael. I want to be Brady. I want to be Tiger, whoever it is. I want to be the best, right? And
00:51:57.640
if somebody in the world of business wants to be the best, what do they typically do? They're a little
00:52:02.400
bit more aggressive. They're not as conservative. You know, you don't hear a lot of conservative,
00:52:08.320
you know, people that became extremely wealthy. Conservatives are conservatives. You know, they are,
00:52:14.580
they are very good citizens. You want to live around conservatives. You want to live in a community
00:52:20.100
where people are conservatives, but there's an element of risk involved. And I think America
00:52:24.500
took so much risk with this debt that yes, a price was paid, but also at the end, the level of
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innovation where you and I are able to city, I don't know where you are. I'm in Dallas, Texas,
00:52:36.100
and we're able to do this interview and we're able to use this little machine that was, you know,
00:52:41.420
started by a guy named Steve Jobs and Wozniak, uh, in, uh, California. I, I just, I just can't see
00:52:48.160
that innovation part taking place. What I would like to spend some talking about with you is the
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following is inflation. How, you know, when you look at business, like you have right now,
00:52:59.620
Trump is going against Biden. Everybody's looking at the tax plans, but Trump is saying he's going
00:53:03.540
to lower his capital gains taxes to 15%. Biden's already publicly said that I got the email from
00:53:08.640
Goldman Sachs that Biden's raising the capital gains to 39, six Biden's economic plan is going to
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cost America $5.3 trillion over the next decade. That's the highest ever 5.3, 5.4. So if American
00:53:21.420
people are sitting there watching that, what is scarier in your eyes, inflation, taxes, or politicians,
00:53:29.280
what concerns you more? That's easy. I need, I say I'll reserve that for a moment because I would
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like to address your previous comment, if I may, um, about, uh, when somebody wants to be best that
00:53:46.300
they tend to be, um, I mean, overly aggressive. I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think
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first of all, there are two issues here in my mind. There's their economic principles and their
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ethical principles and yep. So they get intertwined, but they, they, they come from different parts of
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the brain. I think we all want to be the best and we're not everybody cares that much, but we do like
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to think that we're, we're worthy in some way. And so we try very hard to do our best so we could be
00:54:16.640
proud of ourselves and so that our friends can respect us and all of that. But that doesn't mean
00:54:21.820
that we want to start cheating them or stealing from them or lying to them, taking advantage of their
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ignorance, things like that. That's an ethical consideration. And I think what's happened to America
00:54:32.520
is not, it's not, it's not because it has the desire to be best or to be very, very good, but because
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of, well, we fill in the blanks on that. I think it's largely our, our educational system and our media,
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our, our entertainment system, but that aside, whatever the reason, America has lost its stringent
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and strict moral ethical principles where now the superheroes in the movies and in the books are the
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anti-heroes, the guys that are tough guys, the ones that don't give a damn, you know, and look out,
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I'm going to be, in other words, the bad guys, as we would have called them when I was a young person
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are now the heroes, the ones we look up to. I remember back when I was young, all of the movies
00:55:14.420
and most of the books I read, they, the role models were good people. They would never accept profit
00:55:21.640
at the expense of cheating somebody or lying to them. They were good people. In addition to being
00:55:26.540
successful people, it was, in those days we could, we could say that, yes, somebody could have a lot
00:55:31.600
of money and still be an honest, a worthy person. Now we've got the idea that, well, if you, if you've
00:55:37.540
got a lot of money, that means you are an evil person and you probably stole your money. Well,
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it might be true, but that's, the two are not necessarily together. So I just wanted to get that
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out by saying that I think our problem that you just mentioned is more of, of the decay in the ethical
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standards of the country, not so much in the economic, uh, practices of it. So having said
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that, can we stay on that? Can we stay on that? I know I had a follow-up question with you with
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what's a bigger threat inflation. Let's stay on that topic if you don't mind, uh, before we move
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forward. So when you're saying cheating, moral, all that stuff, uh, uh, okay, fine. I agree. But I also
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think that is a by-product of, uh, the way taxes are set up. I think that's a by-product of how
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regulation is set up. I think that's a by-product of how loose money was in 2007 when they were lending
00:56:30.520
money to just about anybody. And the loan officers had no kind of, uh, things to, uh, you know, uh,
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have controls or filters and they were just lending money to anybody and they didn't care if you were
00:56:43.000
shown any incomes or assets. So it was very, very loose. So there, there becomes a, uh, a pendulum
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in my mind, uh, where on one side you have Milton Friedman back here who he was not much of a fan of
00:56:56.400
too many regulations. It's deregulation. Of course, everything's about deregulation, deregulation,
00:57:00.960
deregulation, but he was a fan of laws. And if I don't re if I do recall, he would talk about how
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China back in 1984, you know, did had only four major law schools that only a couple thousand
00:57:16.740
attorneys who were living in China in a country with a billion plus people. They didn't have a lot
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of attorneys. They didn't have a lot of lawyers. So I think a part of that is enforcing what is in
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place and enforcing what is in place is what gets some people to say, I don't know if I want to mess
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with this. I mean, the recent shooting, uh, that took place with, uh, uh, in Louisville, Kentucky,
00:57:39.640
where they had to now pay out $12 million. I think that's a great thing because now other cities and
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states are going to enforce a little bit more training into their police officers to not just
00:57:49.360
walk in and start, you know, shooting because you were seeing something as a threat. I think that could
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be a good thing. I think certain things that are taking place, if they find a shooter in Compton
00:57:59.360
that shot the two cops, I think he needs to get the highest level of punishment for others to say,
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you just don't shoot cops. Where I'm going with this is the following ethics, integrity, all of that
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is a by-product of the way rules and regulations are set up today. And if they're set up in a low
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standard way where we're looking past it, people are going to keep breaking rules. So, so for me,
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I totally agree with you there, but, uh, I don't know. I'm trying to figure out what is the biggest
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threat of federal reserve. And I have something in mind. I'm curious enough, we're going to get,
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end up getting there on this interview thoughts. Well, if I could just comment on that too, but I
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agree with everything you said, by the way, but the idea of whether it's a chicken and egg sort of
00:58:44.280
thing, whether the ethics come from the rules or the rules are formed by people with low ethics.
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I think they both are true. And I agree with that. Yeah. Because if, if people like you and I,
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uh, hopefully we wouldn't be corrupted by, uh, the power that's in our hands. Uh, we wouldn't pass
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rules like that. I don't care what the society was, was it's what we carry around inside our heads and
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our hearts. We wouldn't want to participate in that. But unfortunately, when people are born into a
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system where everything they're exposed to from their schools, to their motion pictures, to their,
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the songs they hear on the radio are, are glorifying a very low standard of ethics or a
00:59:26.100
different standard anyway, then it's not surprising that the society starts to have rules and regulations
00:59:31.740
that, uh, support those. So I don't know, it's a chicken and egg thing and it's bad. And we've got
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to, I think, reverse that somehow. And, uh, I, I do believe that it's a product of this fact that we have
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bought into this thing called collectivism, which means that we, we believe that the group is more
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important than the end of it. I don't believe this by the way, but many people were taught this in
00:59:54.040
school. Like I was that the group is more important than the individual and that everything is a numbers
00:59:58.720
game. If you get 51% of the people to want something, then that's going to be the right thing
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to do. Even if it means plundering the other 49%. And it's, it's a bad system. And we think that
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everything is political. There are no standards that truth is what you want it to be. All of
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these things, you know, oh my gosh, um, it's got to come at the reform. I think has to start at that
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ideological level before we can have the rules and regulations reflected. And I think because we have
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bought into the idea that everything should be measured and controlled by a law that when people
01:00:33.560
are elected to Congress, they have one job and that's to go to Congress and make laws, more laws,
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more laws all day long, pass more laws till finally we got a hundred million trillion billions and
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zillions of laws. And we have no room to move because it's a law for everything, including how
01:00:48.080
we, how we blow our nose. And, uh, and so, and we buy into that because we think each law, oh, it's
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for the greater good, you know? And so once we get to that point, the laws are, oh, they're horrible.
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They're not for the greater good at all. It's a very good point. It's a very good point because
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again, everything goes back to the basics of how you raise a family. If, if a family has too many
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rules and relationships have too many rules, I mean, you, you miss out on creativity, individualism,
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you know, having your own thoughts, your own opinions, you know, you know, if you try to
01:01:20.680
control how fully on who your daughter dates, she's eventually going to date who you don't
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want her to date. If you're so worried about what she's going to, she's going to do what she's
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going to, if you're so worried about what your son is going to do and what drugs or alcohol,
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if you're so like, you try to fully, they're eventually going to be like, why is that so
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worried about this? So I, I, I couldn't agree with you more on what you're saying, but, but
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let's go back to the next topic here. So what is a bigger concern to you? You've been around,
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you've researched a lot, you've read a lot and stuff that's pre my era and pre my former
01:01:53.420
generation. You've been, you've been reading a lot of stuff on what's going on, done a lot of
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research with your 48 books. What do you see as the biggest threat today? You know,
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is it inflation? Is it taxes? Is it media? Is it politicians? Is it China? What is the
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the biggest threat, if it wasn't even on your list, it's the fact that the population of the
01:02:26.420
world has been denied information so that they are incapable of making good decisions.
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They're, they look at the world through their television screens or their computer screens.
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They think everything they see in front of that little screen or in that screen, that's reality.
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They can look out the window and see that it's raining. But if it says on the radio that the sun
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is shining, they'll say, Oh, it's a sunny day today. And I think that's the scariest thing because as long
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as the humans in this planet can be programmed and passively accept a condition where they accept
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authority without question, there is no hope for mankind because authority sooner or later will figure
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out how to dominate their minds and control them in every way possible.
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That's a pretty deep answer right there. Um, and what's the price of that? What is the price of that
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Well, the price of that is that we cease being humans. We cease being in the sense humans of our full potential,
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having, uh, freedom, uh, freedom of will, freedom of choice, freedom of logic to reach a decision or to
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question freedom to think. Even we become like robots. And of course, that's what a lot of this
01:03:56.220
transhumanism really is all about is to convert the present state of affairs into two classes of humans.
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One are the ruling elite who will remain pretty much as humans always have been, but maybe genetically
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selected to choose only the best and the highest intellects, but the rest of us to be gradually
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dumbed down chemically, electromagnetically, and through information, uh, starvation into robots.
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That's the, that's the penalty. That's what I think. And I shouldn't say, I think, I know that's where
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we're headed because the people that are doing and brag about it. They talk about it. They've
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written books on it. They think how wonderful it's going to be. And, uh, I, I first, I thought,
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well, that's, that's really weird. This will never happen. But now I see AI developing and,
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and transhumanism and more artificial things happening where people can blend their bodies
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with mechanical things. And I project that into the future. And I'm thinking, oh my gosh,
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maybe this is really going to be that way after all.
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Uh, you know, you, you'll see the opposition, uh, those who, uh, oppose capitalism. They'll go and
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say, well, Karl Marx was a noble man because, you know, he, he felt the capitalist is so competitive.
01:05:19.800
He's so hardworking. He's so ambitious to seek more money and greed that he's eventually going to
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create so much wealth and not go out there fishing with his dad, fishing with his kids and spend that
01:05:32.620
quality time with his family. And at the same time, if advancement goes at the level that it does,
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eventually it's going to destroy itself and implode. What do you say to that part of the argument?
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Because you're a capitalist yourself, you're pro capitalism, you're pro freedom, you're pro
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choice, you know, pro freedom of thinking you're, you know, all of that. But at the same time,
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you can, you're concerned about the advancement and the levels we're going with AI. Are we advancing
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and innovating a little too fast or a little too quickly? Well, there's a couple of components to
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that question about, you know, the, the general, uh, opinion of what Marx really taught. What you
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just said is, is got nothing to do with Marxism, but a lot of students think it does. They think,
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well, Marx taught, you know, peace and, and, uh, cooperation and non-competitiveness and so forth
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that he did not. Uh, when somebody starts talking that way, I know that they have not read Marx.
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They have read books telling them what Marx means, but they have not read Marx. If you read Marx's
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books, you'll find out it's got nothing to do with that. It was all about crush your opposition,
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destroy your opposition, come to power, take away the family, take away money, make, make people,
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uh, obedient to their rulers and masters in the name of the greater good of society.
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He's, he's, he's speaks nothing of the things that the students think he represents. And, you know,
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he'll say, kill them all. And they make no bones about it. Not only Marx, but Lenin and Stalin,
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all the good old boys and, and, uh, you know, Maceitung, all of those guys. Adolf Hitler, really,
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even though he's a Nazi, he believed the same thing. And there was no difference between what he
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believed and what Marx and Engels and, and, um, Lenin were teaching. So when, when people talk
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that way, I know that they haven't read the books and the, and the manuals that the, that have been
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generated by these totalitarians. So having gotten that out of the way, I'll move on to, um, what was
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that? I thought AI, AI, what is your concern? Are we advancing and innovating too quickly?
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Well, I, I think we are. I, my only challenge really is the word or the phrase too quickly.
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I don't think we should move in that direction at all. I think it's, I think it's whether it's
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fast or slow. Um, I mean, whether you jump off the cliff quickly or sort of slip off of it slowly,
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finally you're off the cliff and you're through. So I, I don't think it's a question of too quickly
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or not. I think it's a question of if we should be doing it or not. And I really, in my mind, I
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think it's, it's contrary to what we are. I think if we were smart enough to understand who and what
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we are and where we fit in this universe, we'll be very destructive. First of all, I don't think
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it'll succeed. I really think that we can tinker with the laws of nature only so far till finally
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we'll blow it up and we won't, we'll cease to exist. We're not going to be these super creatures at
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all. We will just cease to be able to reproduce or that we'll kill each other or something like
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that. That's what I'm afraid will happen. But, uh, uh, maybe, maybe nature can be destroyed. Maybe
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nature can be, uh, converted into a death machine so that everything just stops. You know, I don't
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know either way, it's a scenario. I don't think it's a good thing. I don't want to think about that
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for myself or my children or my great, great, great, great grandchildren or anybody, uh, in the
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future. So I think if humans really were as smart as they'd like to think of themselves, they would
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stand back and say, you know, we don't tinker with the building blocks of life. We just don't
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tinker with them because they're perfect as they are. They've lasted for hundreds of thousands,
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if not millions or trillions of years. You can argue over the length of time, but they've,
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they're pretty good and that they show a great deal of intelligence and design and functionality
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that's far beyond anything that Einstein or any human could come up with. Why are we tinkering
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with this thing when we think, well, I think all we can do is mess it up. So that's my answer to
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your question. I don't think it's a question of, are we going too fast? I just think we shouldn't be
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going there at all. Where is there? When you say this thing or there, what is there or what is this
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thing? I'm talking about AI? No, it's not AI. That's just a computer algorithm. AI is, I don't
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see that as a threat, but when we put, when we implant AI into mechanical devices that are capable
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of challenging humans or becoming part of humans or replacing humans, now we're in a whole different
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realm. Uh, I think AI can be very productive and very useful in computer programming and solving
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problems, but that doesn't mean we have to replace the human instinct and the human, uh, senses of
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morality and make them whatever we program into the AI. If, if we want an AI device to think that it's
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moral to kill people, well, we just tweak the code a little bit and all of a sudden AI says, oh, I've just
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done a good thing. I've killed 10 people. Hooray for me. You know, this is stupid to go into that
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kind of stuff. I think it's not about being stupid or not being stupid. It's called point of no return.
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You can't do nothing about it right now. You, you, you, there's nothing the two of us can do about the
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speed of innovation today. Nothing, literally the amount of time it'll take for all the lawmakers
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and legislators to come out with new laws to prevent this, a new innovation and technology will come
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out. That'll take them another 12 to 24 months to come out with the new regulation. Uh, it is the
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point of no return. One doesn't go without the other. You cannot have a capitalistic society
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and recognize innovation and individualism, but tell them, well, don't cross the line and pass that
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limit. You know, the whole idea of limitless, we have no limits that goes with the whole, uh, ingenuity,
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that creativity of a capitalist and an entrepreneur. Can you do it faster? Can you do it better? Can you do
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it bigger? Can you do it more efficient? Uh, so it, you know, it's another one of those things
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where in life, this is what I've learned. Again, I'm only 41 years old and, uh, uh, the, the older I
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get, the more I realize, uh, Mr. G, how many flipping contradictions there are in life. You know,
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life is filled up, filled with contradictions. You know, you have one philosophy that gets clear in
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this area. Boom. There's a little bit of a contradiction in it. You get this fall out. Boom. There's a
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little bit of contradiction in it, but in this area, when it does come down to innovation,
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I, I, I, I think if all the nice people got together and they all pray together, I don't
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think they can slow down innovation or I don't think they can slow down from these young creators
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to say, I'm not going to stop creating and trying to do it better than whoever did a prior me. I just
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don't see that happening, but I do agree. I have a, I have a fear that you might be right. It certainly
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seems correct that way, but there's one part of it that's encouraging to me. And that is you talk
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about that this innovation and all of this dangerous innovation is a product of capitalism
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or free enterprise. And I, I, I would like to challenge that because I think most of the money
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being spent for these kinds of things either are coming from organizations like DARPA, you know,
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the military research or governments of one kind, because they're, they're not really doing this
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in order to make a profit. They're doing this because they intend to control human beings.
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And so the motivation is not... You really believe that? You really believe that?
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Oh, I'm totally convinced of that. I, I would probably have to do some research to get some
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numbers together on it. But I think what you would find if you trace the money that's going into this
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kind of research, that it's almost all of it has its origins from governments and very, yeah,
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there's some companies that invest in it, but take a look at the companies, where are they getting
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their money? Who's paying them? Who's giving them the contracts to do it and so forth. And I think
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you would be surprised to find that much, most of it is probably coming from governments and they
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don't care about, you know, the human condition. That's not why they're doing it. They want to do it
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because they want to create a system where they can control the human being and, and not be worried
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about being facing a revolution or something like that. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I understand what
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you're saying. And I think some of that could apply to Iran or to China or to North Korea or to some
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regimes who fully try to control their people. And don't get me wrong. I am very aware of some of
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these places in Alaska where they're creating technology to learn how to control people. I've read
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many of these articles and I've gone to some, uh, uh, you know, uh, rabbit holes that you can find
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yourself staying in for a few weeks and you come out thinking you're living in la la land or you're
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on shrooms or smoking some of the best hash from the middle East. But, uh, you know, and then you
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realize, no, there's some of this stuff that's actually true and it is kind of happening, but how,
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how much of it is it to control the people in a free speech country? And how much of it is to
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prevent from a country like China to try to take over and impose their belief system of total
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control and, you know, a hundred percent submission to the way the government runs.
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Maybe it's preventing from a country like China to become the biggest empire by 2025 where they
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can't rule the world, you know, and, and that, that's the part of it. And, you know, at the end
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of the day, one of the things that I believe in, here's what I fully believe in. This is what I
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fully believe in. And you have the wisdom. I'm still a baby next to you. I'm still learning.
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This is why I'm still reading books to get myself to get sharper and wiser and talk to people like
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yourself. So I can elevate my level of thinking. I just believe in human beings. It's that simple
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for me. I believe in human beings, having dreams, having heart, caring for people, because one of the
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greatest system God created is even if you didn't care about people, when you have kids, you go
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through this process of wanting to treat others better because you hope somebody else treats your
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daughter better. You hope somebody returns it to you, natural form of karma, whether you believe in
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God or not. I just believe in human beings. And I think long-term I'm banking on human beings,
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having the collective courage to fight for their individual dreams and not be pansies,
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not be afraid, not be cowards. That's what I'm banking on.
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I like that message a lot better than your former one, where you thought it was too late for anybody
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to do anything about it. I think half of my brain supports one argument and the other half
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supports the other one, but my heart is totally on the side of your last statement. Yeah, I think,
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and the key to that is that as long as we are humans, as long as they don't mess us up and prevent
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us from procreating other human beings, which they're definitely working on that. Yeah. I mean,
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they're putting stuff in our air, in our drinking water, in our food to cut down not only the quantity
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of our procreation, our reproductive rates, but the quality of it as well. They want to tinker with
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our genetic structure as well. And if we, if we don't stop that, I mean, we're not going to be
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humans or our great, great grandchildren. We're not going to be humans anymore.
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You're going in a different direction. Now we're talking vaccine. Now we're talking vitamin B17.
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Now we're talking a whole different slew of things that we can get into and this thing can get into
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three hours. But I think we may want to leave that for a part two discussion where the two of us can
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have, because, uh, uh, today's topic has been very deep. It's been very deep. It's been very interesting.
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I've really enjoyed it. And, uh, your, uh, point of view on the way you've, uh, uh, shared your
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experiences and perspective. It's great to hear. Uh, and I hope the audience goes and orders your book,
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the creature from Jekyll Island. If you've never read it, it's a must. Uh, uh, uh, we're going to put
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the link below to, to the book as well. And Mr. G, if you don't mind, I I'd like to do a, uh, speed round
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with you. I'll give you a name of an individual. I want you to tell me one word that comes to mind.
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Okay. Speed round. Give you a name. This is dangerous. I'll be very honest with you. I want
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to be very transparent. This can be very dangerous here. So JP Morgan Chase.
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Poor chap. Um, that maybe I come up with more, uh, more words to say the same thing is that,
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Remember that one song, you know, it's a lot of people going to say, well, I was with Griffin
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I mean, that's, but you know, at least you're, uh, uh, at least you're consistent, you know,
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you just threw, threw the, uh, the audience off a little bit because it was a little bit,
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So you, so you say both Trump and Obama and all of them are puppets, including Biden.
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So who are the ones at the top that are moving all the puppets if they are the puppets?
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That's the financial, that's the financial world.
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Well, you know, the names, I don't really pay much attention to the individual names,
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We know that the, the two big ones, of course, are the Rothschilds in Europe and the Rockefellers
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in North America and all of the, all of the people that, that play up to them and, you know,
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I'm sure they're still active, but the main center is the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
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I mean, I'm not talking about two people sitting there at the control panel, making
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Those are the guys that have all kinds of lieutenants and their handler.
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I mean, people that they've sent out to handle, like take Kissinger, for example, Kissinger
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When Kissinger shows up, you know, that he's speaking for the Rockefeller group and it's
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So, and then, and Kissinger has his people that represent him.
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I don't pretend to know all the names and how they fit, but I recognize them when I hear
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I'll give you the final words here to the viewer that's watching this.
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They're wanting to go and do a little research.
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You made a recommendation of a book I read, I don't know, 16 years ago, 17 years ago, Economics
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But what would be your final thoughts to a viewer that's watching this saying, well,
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Well, I think the first step that such a person has already taken, when a person says, I want
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to be more informed, I don't want to be fooled anymore.
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They've already taken a huge step because that means they understand that there's something
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wrong and they're not getting the full information.
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So the next step is then, well, how am I going to get that information?
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And I'm glad you gave it to me because I would like to plug my upcoming event.
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It's coming up in October, 10 and 11 on Jekyll Island, by the way.
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And the Red Pill Expo, sponsored by Red Pill University, is all about what you just said.
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Where do you take these red pills, which are going to wake you up and cause you to see reality
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and get rid of all of those illusions that cloud our brains?
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Hardly a week goes by, but what I don't discover, oh my gosh, they're fooling me on that one too.
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And some of them are, of course, more important than others.
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So if anybody wants to get a place to start, go to redpillexpo.org and look up that event.
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I think they're going to be very impressed by what's going on there.
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Mr. G. Edward Griffin, thank you so much for your time.
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I've enjoyed the conversation and hopefully we'll have you back here soon.
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And I hope I haven't bored anybody or scared anybody or insulted too many people.
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I'm curious, did this interview of the author of Creature from Jekyll Island, does he have
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Are you thinking about the conversations that we had?
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Comment below what you are still thinking about.
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But if the topic of economics and what he and I spoke about today intrigues you, I have
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One is with a former economist, somebody that used to be with Goldman Sachs, Nomi Prince.
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If you've never seen this before, we talked about Jekyll Island and Federal Reserve.
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01:24:10.020
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