Valuetainment - October 03, 2022


How the Trillion Dollar Art Industry Works & Why Billionaires Use It To Avoid Taxes


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Why are so many investors, billionaires, millionaires, buying art? Why are they doing so? And what are the pros and cons of investing in art? In this episode, we discuss the pros, the cons, and the history of art.

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00:00:00.000 This building you're looking at looks like a regular building, except it's called Geneva
00:00:03.020 Freeport. It's in Switzerland. It holds roughly 1.2 million art pieces valued at, ready? A hundred
00:00:08.820 billion dollars. Many of the art pieces in there are owned by millionaires and billionaires around
00:00:14.720 the world who have never seen the art. They've never touched it, but they store it here. The
00:00:19.260 question is why? And by the way, art historically has known as being the top three most unregulated
00:00:25.360 industries in the world beyond drugs and sex, prostitution. But why are so many investors,
00:00:31.760 billionaires, millionaires, buying art? Why are they doing that? We're going to take a deep dive
00:00:35.560 in that topic today. So here's what we're going to be talking about. We're going to talk about the pros
00:00:46.840 and cons of investing into art, who the players are, how big of a market is it, what are the most
00:00:50.900 expensive pieces, the history of the players? And then at the same time, how do people value art?
00:00:57.120 How do you look at a piece and say, I think this thing's worth $3 million. We're going to talk about
00:01:00.580 all that today. So first thing we need to know is what is the market cap? Like how much business is
00:01:04.620 really being done with art? Last year in US, we sold $28 billion of art just last year. It grew by
00:01:10.740 third. Second place was China at $13.4 billion. Third place was UK at $11.3 billion. The last 18 years,
00:01:17.660 the top 100 artists, their return has been roughly 8.9% while the S&P has been roughly 3.4%. So these
00:01:25.840 are some of the data. Now, there is no guarantees with art. There's a lot of good stories. There's
00:01:29.740 a lot of bad stories. There's a lot of ugly stories. I'll share a couple of them here with you. One of
00:01:33.660 them is imagine buying an art piece that you sell in 2005 for $10,000. And that art piece 12 years later
00:01:43.440 sells for, you ready? $450 million. That's this art piece here you're looking at called
00:01:50.020 Salvatore Mundi. Here's what you need to know about the story of Salvatore Mundi. So this art piece back
00:01:55.540 in 1958, Sotheby's had it. They looked at it like, okay, it's great. They sold it for 45 pounds, not 45,000
00:02:01.960 pounds, just 45 pounds in 1958. Years later in 2005 in a Louisiana auction, it sold for $10,000. Then
00:02:10.600 eventually they restored it. They looked at it. They said, wait a minute. This was an art piece
00:02:15.960 that was owned by Henrietta Maria, who was the wife of King Charles I of England. And the story is in
00:02:20.880 2011, it was included in the Leonardo exhibition at the National Gallery in London. The show's curator
00:02:27.600 authenticated it as a long gloss Leonardo da Vinci recorded in the collection of, again, Henrietta
00:02:34.080 Maria. Having said that, the moment that happened, and it was validated and backed by a prestigious
00:02:39.860 museum, it was sold to a Swiss businessman, Yves Bouvier in 2013 for $80 million. Then the
00:02:48.860 same year he flipped it to Russian businessman Dmitry Rybolov for $127.5 million. And then
00:02:56.100 in 2017, it sold for $450 million to an anonymous name. Some say it's a Saudi prince. Again, this
00:03:02.280 is a rumor that the Saudi prince bought it. However, what is not a rumor is the fact that this thing
00:03:06.640 was sold for 45 pounds by Sotheby's in 58. $10,000 at an auction in Louisiana in 2005. $450 million
00:03:15.640 in 2017. Those numbers are real. So that's a good story. That's a success story. Let me give you an
00:03:21.840 ugly story about art. So back in the days, Picasso's not doing too well. He doesn't have a lot of living
00:03:26.660 to do. There's a local con man that's selling art, fake art. So he goes to a local artist and says,
00:03:31.860 hey, I got this art piece. I want you to draw similar to Picasso style. And the kid had a
00:03:36.260 Picasso style painting. So he does. He takes it. He says, you know, Picasso, there's this young guy
00:03:41.880 that really admires you. Would you mind if I bring it over to you? I want you to look at it and give
00:03:45.220 me feedback. Tell me if this guy's got some potential or not. Picasso finally apparently agrees to meet
00:03:49.540 with him. They do. And says, yeah, this is not really a good piece. He says, man, that's so
00:03:53.640 disappointing. Can I take a picture with you? He does. He has the picture with him and Picasso and the
00:03:57.940 painting. Picasso dies. Again, this is a story I've read. And then later on, this guy, the con man
00:04:03.860 sells the art piece saying, this is the last art piece Picasso painted. And people bought into it
00:04:08.520 because he had the picture. So there's a lot of that creativity where there is con, there's fraud.
00:04:14.660 There's a lot of that going on because it is the most unregulated industry in the world. However,
00:04:20.200 those are some of the stories you need to know about. Now in America, when you look at the top,
00:04:23.320 you know, auction houses, how are they doing? At the top, you have Sotheby's that did roughly
00:04:29.320 7.3 billion last year. They have offices in 40 plus countries. They're known for selling the
00:04:34.380 Andy Warhol's Orange Marilyn Monroe in 98 for 17.3 million dollars. But they also sold Edward
00:04:40.720 Munich's masterpiece, The Scream, for record-breaking 119.9 million dollars at the time. And then you
00:04:47.840 have Christie's. Christie's 7.1 billion last year. They were the ones that actually sold Beepo's,
00:04:52.620 you know, NFT for 69 million dollars. They have 85 offices in 43 countries. In 2016,
00:04:58.460 they auctioned off Rockefeller's collection, which was a record-breaking sale that they did. I think
00:05:03.480 it was 832 million dollars. So they're second place. And in third place is Heritage Auctions.
00:05:09.340 I've bought a lot of different things from them. Many, I'm talking millions of dollars of pieces
00:05:12.720 from these guys. Last year, they did 1.2 billion dollars. They're based out of Texas. Some of the
00:05:17.740 things that they do. They could do anything from a car to a card to an art piece to comic books.
00:05:23.660 There are a variety of things that they do. And the last one being Phillips at fourth place at 1.2
00:05:28.700 billion dollars. So again, when you look at this, you may say, Pat, I know nothing about this. Well,
00:05:32.080 most people who get into art don't know nothing about this. But there are 6,300 auction houses
00:05:35.460 worldwide for a reason. And there is a reason why art in the last 18 years has nearly tripled the
00:05:40.180 returns on S&P 500. This doesn't guarantee it's going to continue doing this. But it is an alternative
00:05:45.960 investment that a lot of people are getting into. So now, the question becomes, how do you value art?
00:05:50.540 Because when you value a house, what's the realtor going to say? Appraiser? They're going to say,
00:05:54.560 well, that house, same size as you with the bedroom with the same lot sold for 628. That one sold for
00:05:59.540 639. That one sold for 648. Your house is roughly worth 631 because there's comps. In art, there's not
00:06:05.480 really comps. There's many different ways of value in art. We're going to talk about that right now.
00:06:09.980 Number one, supplying demand. Is there a market for it? Do people want to buy it? Number two, is it sold
00:06:14.340 privately or at an auction house? If it sells at an auction house, the auction house of Christie's,
00:06:20.340 when Christie's said they're selling people's NFT, everybody was like, wait, what? There was 33 people
00:06:26.340 at the end above a million dollars that were bidding for this NFT. But Christie's, in a way, validated
00:06:32.700 that NFTs are now a thing. So anytime a big auction house comes behind an artist, the value that artists
00:06:39.500 and their pieces goes higher. Number three, artists. There's some artists that people are fascinated
00:06:43.880 about. I'll give you one example. Banksy is an anonymous artist that nobody knows who
00:06:48.780 he is. There's some claims of who he is, but nobody knows really who Banksy is. He pulled
00:06:52.280 off one of the biggest stunts at an auction. So the auction's over with. Somebody bids on
00:06:56.240 his piece for $1.4 million. The moment they hit the hammer, the art piece starts ripping
00:07:02.280 apart at the bottom. People are flabbergasted. You should see the reaction of people. Like, wait
00:07:07.100 a minute, what just happened here? And then Banksy puts it on his Instagram and he says,
00:07:12.020 going, going, gone. Well, don't worry and don't feel bad for the guy that bought it
00:07:16.720 for $1.4 million. Sotheby's has it back on auction right now for $25 million. It's shredded
00:07:23.140 and people are willing to pay $25 million for a shredded art piece. Again, there's the artist
00:07:28.780 that's attractive that people say, I want a piece by this guy. Number four, career and
00:07:32.780 size of artwork. Meaning, you know, what was his career like? Is he still producing? Is
00:07:36.680 there a limited amount? Is it, is the artist dead? Many times when the artist dies, the art
00:07:40.980 piece goes more because he can't produce it. They can't make any more of it. So career
00:07:44.900 and size of artwork also determines the value of the art piece. Who supports it and who's
00:07:48.980 owned it? If a major name buys an art piece and they say, Barack Obama just recently bought
00:07:55.020 this, this, this. Elon Musk just bought this art piece. And you know, like I'll go to Wynwood
00:07:59.860 in Miami and many of the places I'll go to, they'll say, this art piece was also bought
00:08:04.040 by Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, and Barack Obama. Like, oh wow, there's credibility
00:08:08.200 behind it. With pictures of individuals who bought that art piece, there's some credibility
00:08:12.340 and valuation on pieces goes high. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What does this
00:08:15.980 mean? You know how they say there's always somebody for somebody and you look at someone
00:08:19.100 and you say, I cannot believe she married him. What the, it doesn't matter. She sees something
00:08:25.300 that you don't see. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Whoever wants to buy that art
00:08:29.360 piece. I've seen some art piece. I'll stand in front of an art piece and I'll look and I'll
00:08:32.720 say, I am so confused. I'll say, what was this person on when they painted this thing?
00:08:38.400 And another person is standing next to me, but I'm not saying my thoughts out loud and
00:08:41.760 I hear them say, what an incredible piece. It doesn't matter what I think. This person
00:08:47.060 thinks it's incredible. They're willing to pay $600,000 for it. It's a $600,000 art piece.
00:08:52.840 Sentimental and cultural value. What does this mean? It could be a piece that has to do with
00:08:56.220 your heritage, your background. You're Armenian. You see something that has to do with your heritage.
00:09:00.300 You say, well, this is worth a half a million to me, but $20,000 to this person doesn't matter
00:09:04.660 because it's value to me. I'm going to buy this. I'm going to pay for this. So there's
00:09:07.300 some value to it. Another one could be a piece that was stolen many years ago, 20, 30, 40
00:09:11.900 years ago, 50 years ago. And now all of a sudden it's shown back up. Wait a minute.
00:09:14.780 This thing's been gone for 50 years. We thought it was completely gone. It's not resurfaced.
00:09:19.000 I'm willing to pay X, Y, Z dollars for it. So again, it may not be the traditional way to
00:09:22.780 get a comp of value in something, but that's how they value art pieces in that industry.
00:09:26.800 Picasso once was in a park and a lady comes up with, you know, and says, Hey, can you
00:09:32.260 make this portrait of me? And within a few minutes, he draws a portrait and says, here
00:09:38.220 you go. 5,000 francs. The lady's like, wait, what? 5,000 francs? It took you a couple minutes
00:09:43.220 to paint this thing here. It says, no, madam, it took me a lifetime to learn how to do this
00:09:48.220 here. 5,000 francs. The artist who has spent a lifetime learning how to do this gets to ask
00:09:55.520 for the price because it wasn't just a 5-minute, 10-minute piece. Like the engineer comes in
00:10:00.220 and says, hey, you know, can you please fix my AC? It's not working. And he goes and he
00:10:04.260 says, yeah, it's that one button. They press, the AC's not working. They said, $600. Why
00:10:07.580 am I paying you $600? I could have done it myself. Yeah, but you don't know which switch
00:10:10.780 it is. That's a form of being an artist. Today's sponsor is Masterworks. Matter of fact,
00:10:14.520 I really like what Masterworks does because a lot of people can't afford to buy a whole art
00:10:19.420 piece for $2 million. What Masterworks does is they buy the art piece, they file it with
00:10:24.760 the SEC. Then members are able to buy and sell shares. That's what they do. Now keep
00:10:29.940 in mind, you know, this is like you can't buy all of Apple for $2.5 trillion, but you
00:10:33.900 can buy an Apple stock for a few hundred dollars. Similar story. One thing you need to know about
00:10:38.000 how much wealth is being held in art today is an estimated $1.7 trillion. Millionaires,
00:10:44.400 billionaires have held their wealth in art. Deloitte says it's going to increase another $900 billion
00:10:49.040 by 2026. What Masterworks does is the last five paintings they sold since 2017, they're
00:10:54.740 average rate of return was 26.8% and contemporary art prices have outperformed S&P 500 total return
00:11:02.240 ready by 164% the past 26 years. So if this is something you want to take advantage of,
00:11:09.640 we're going to put the link below. There is a waiting list for people that are trying to get
00:11:12.960 into this program with Masterworks, but because you're part of Valuetainment, if you click on the
00:11:16.920 link below and you go through Valuetainment, you will skip the waiting list and you'll be able to
00:11:20.200 start buying and selling shares immediately. Now, let's talk about the pros and cons of investing
00:11:26.660 in art. Let's start off with cons first. Number one, when you buy an art piece, there is no dividends
00:11:31.540 for you. You're just buying an art piece. It's not like every quarter or every year you're going to
00:11:35.500 get some kind of a dividend payment. Number two, you need a lot of money to get into it. It's not
00:11:39.980 a business you get into with $5,000 or $10,000. You need some money to really get into the art
00:11:44.400 industry. Number three, there are a lot of fake and forged paintings out there that you need to
00:11:49.280 write people verifying it to make sure you're not buying it and it's worth nothing. How you do that,
00:11:54.860 if you're newer in the industry, you may be taking advantage of at times. Number four, if you do choose
00:11:59.720 to store it in your house, if you damage the piece or your kids damage it or somebody damages it,
00:12:04.520 the value obviously goes down. Investing is a gamble. Just like anything, if you go into an industry
00:12:08.800 you know nothing about, it is purely a gamble. So it's going to take you a minute or a few years to learn
00:12:13.740 the industry before you start making some money. Next, art is not as liquid as you know stocks and
00:12:18.420 mutual funds. You can sell some of those. It's not as easy to sell an art piece at the price that you
00:12:23.280 want to sell it at. Next, sometimes a great art salesman can sell you a piece because they're so
00:12:28.580 charming and charismatic but that piece is not really worth that much. So you got to kind of be
00:12:32.620 careful with the salesperson as well. Okay, so now let's talk about some pros. Number one, it's an asset
00:12:37.020 class that has grown exponentially in the recent years. So you ought to take a look at it. Number two,
00:12:43.140 it is a hedge against inflation. There are a lot of pieces where inflation is going up. If they're
00:12:47.120 no longer reprinting or drawing this piece and that piece is $50,000 today and inflation keeps
00:12:53.280 going up, that is a form of a hedge against inflation. Next, a form of diversification. If
00:12:58.060 you got all your money in one thing and you're not hedging it against you know other alternative
00:13:02.200 classes, this may be a form of diversifying some of your investments. Next pro, if you buy it,
00:13:07.180 it becomes scarce. Something happens that's going to go up in value. Anything scares nowadays, cards,
00:13:12.460 cars, painting, comic books, value is going to eventually go up. Next, if you actually like art,
00:13:19.380 there is a certain experience when you go into a house and there's art pieces there. I was looking
00:13:24.580 at a house in Palm Beach with a realtor who was selling Donald Trump's last house, one of the
00:13:29.060 houses he had in Palm Beach. He was asking for $140 or $145, $145 million and I went in there and I'm
00:13:34.660 looking at the house. I'm like, oh wow, so many art pieces. He says, this is my art collection.
00:13:38.460 $70 million worth of art collection he had in there. I said, are you selling a house or are you
00:13:42.780 selling art? He says, kind of both. Do you want to buy any of the art pieces if you don't want to buy
00:13:46.420 the house? But the point is, when somebody comes into a house and there's an art piece there,
00:13:51.440 there's a story behind it. So that idea of explaining, let me tell you the history about
00:13:56.160 this art. There are some tax incentives to owning art. You know, like you heard the story earlier,
00:14:01.040 Rockefeller's 2016, $832.6 million when they sold their art collection to charity. They can give
00:14:08.380 it to charity, but maybe that art collection when they bought it was only $40 million and now it's
00:14:12.120 worth $832. That's a big write-off right there because the valuation is the valuation. So there
00:14:16.760 is also tax incentives when it comes down to art. Of course, not an accountant, not a CPA. Talk to an
00:14:22.940 expert about that, but many do it for the tax benefits as well. And last but not least, you can
00:14:27.500 actually make some money in this business. It's not guaranteed. There's a lot of risk, but you can
00:14:31.460 actually make some money in the art business. So if you got value out of this video and some things maybe
00:14:34.780 you didn't know about, give it a thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, and I got another video I want you
00:14:37.860 to watch. This video, I don't know how many, maybe three years ago I shot this video about my million
00:14:42.000 dollar card collection that I had at the time. Today it's more like $8 to $10 million. But it shows
00:14:46.700 how this thing works. I bought two cards, Gretzky cards, at $540,000. Year and a half later, I sold it
00:14:53.560 roughly for $2.2 million. It was a world record for the most expensive hockey card ever sold. One of the
00:14:59.400 cards that I sold for $1.29 million with Heritage Auctions, six months later, sold roughly for $3.7
00:15:06.460 million. If I would have hung on to those two cards that I spent $540,000 today, both of them
00:15:11.900 combined today would be roughly around $5 to $6 million. That's the part about alternative
00:15:16.980 investments. There's many different things you can look into. If you're interested, take a look
00:15:21.100 at this video. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye.