Valuetainment - December 21, 2025


“I Am An Innocent Man” - The DC SETUP That Turned A Cartel Fighting President Into A Narco Terrorist

Hosted by
Patrick Bet-David
Mentioned
Kelly Pepe Lobo Chauvers Juan Orlando Speaker Biden Trump Roberto Micheletti Roger Mitchell Hernandez Toscaniro Patrick Autismo Chauva
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Episode Stats


Length

12 minutes

Words per minute

139.73

Word count

1,735

Sentence count

161

Harmful content

Hate speech

2

sentences flagged


Summary

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In this episode, former Honduran President, Manuel Zel Zel Zelaya, talks about his time in prison, his pardon, and his life after being released from prison. He also talks about the events that led to his release.

Transcript

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00:00:00.040 Who are you? Can you share with the people your story, why you're here, why you're even willing to go talk to camera after being pardoned?
00:00:07.660 The audience wants to know.
00:00:08.940 Well, again, thank you, Patrick, for having me.
00:00:11.720 Thank you, all the team.
00:00:13.580 The reason because I'm here is because I want the world to know the truth.
00:00:18.620 When I was sentenced, I told the judge and looked to the press and said,
00:00:25.000 tell the world that I am an innocent man.
00:00:28.460 And sooner or later, you will find out.
00:00:31.320 Now that you are giving me the opportunity, we are going to talk about things that I haven't said before.
00:00:37.560 And I encourage you that you can go deep into this and you are going to see things that are really scary.
00:00:48.200 I couldn't believe that after being called the champion against narco-traffic in Central America,
00:00:55.520 then the deep state and some agents, some public officials in the United States, they were indicting me when they were giving me recognition, prices.
00:01:07.620 How this started?
00:01:09.680 Honduras became the main bridge between South and North America for drugs to come through Honduras and then to Mexico, as you said before.
00:01:20.340 But the thing is this, with that came a heavy price to the Honduran people.
00:01:29.160 80% of all the violence was related with drug trafficking.
00:01:35.720 So when you wake up and somebody tells you, I was a Speaker of Congress and somebody said to me,
00:01:41.560 Mr. Speaker, this morning we had the report 76 people were killed last night.
00:01:49.540 And I said, and the day before, 75.
00:01:51.720 And we are just 8 million people.
00:01:53.640 When you have that kind of problem, you cannot, in myself, I cannot look the other way.
00:02:01.900 If you look the other way, it's because you already made a decision not to do that.
00:02:07.560 But I am not that kind of guy.
00:02:10.540 And when I was trying to do something, some other people in Congress, they were telling me,
00:02:17.220 look, Mr. Speaker, they are going to kill us.
00:02:19.500 Remember, a couple of months ago, two years ago, they called the two anti-drug sards that we have in Honduras.
00:02:28.960 But remember what happened in Colombia when they passed the extradition law.
00:02:34.180 A lot of terrorist attacks, a lot of killings, judges, policemen, so many other people.
00:02:40.020 So people were scared.
00:02:43.900 But I said, you know, we have to do it.
00:02:46.080 And what I did was what nobody wanted to do.
00:02:50.460 So we amended our constitution to allow the extradition for almost a century.
00:02:56.900 It wasn't allowed extradition of Honduran nationals to any other country.
00:03:02.900 To do that, I know that I was putting my life in risk.
00:03:07.300 But most scary for me was putting my family's life in risk.
00:03:12.060 But at one point, you have to make the decision.
00:03:14.600 What are the countries that we are going to inherit our children if it is a mess?
00:03:23.040 Then we became the country with the highest murder rate in the planet.
00:03:29.280 Wow.
00:03:30.340 What year was this?
00:03:31.300 What year is this?
00:03:32.600 It was from 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011.
00:03:38.520 And I became Speaker of the House in 2010.
00:03:43.360 So I started to create those instruments in order to go after the narcotraffickers. 0.99
00:03:48.400 I did also lead and approve in Congress the anti-laundry money law, the seizing law.
00:03:58.340 We create a very controversial law that some people from the United States didn't like it,
00:04:03.320 the Democrats, but from the very far left, they call it the shooting down law.
00:04:10.900 So illegal planes were coming from Venezuela with cargo, and all of them were landing in Honduras.
00:04:21.280 And what happened, and this, what I'm going to say, I haven't said it before.
00:04:27.700 Before I became president, there were three deadly incidents in Honduras.
00:04:36.100 They shoot down three planes.
00:04:38.720 But you know what happened with the chief of the Air Force?
00:04:42.320 Because of the pressure of the U.S. government, the Democratic administration, the president of Honduras at that time,
00:04:52.500 he fired the chief of the Air Force.
00:04:56.140 And when I realized that, I said, how can you do that if this guy, what he's doing is doing his duty?
00:05:02.820 In any country, if there's an illegal plane carrying drugs that are deadly, and it is in the Honduran airspace,
00:05:13.840 what are you going to do?
00:05:15.400 You have to do something.
00:05:17.280 And they fire him.
00:05:18.600 So I said, we are going to create a law with all the protocols based in the international treaties,
00:05:27.140 and we create that law.
00:05:28.420 But before I started as a president, I received the visit of the U.S. ambassador.
00:05:35.420 By the way, who fired him?
00:05:36.500 Was it Roberto Michelite?
00:05:39.220 No.
00:05:39.600 Who fired him?
00:05:40.360 The guy who fired was Pepe Lobo.
00:05:44.700 Pepe Lobo.
00:05:46.080 Yes.
00:05:46.480 He's from the same party as you.
00:05:47.880 Yes.
00:05:48.440 So he's also Republican.
00:05:50.100 Yeah.
00:05:50.300 He would be a conservative.
00:05:51.780 He's kind of a conservative.
00:05:53.340 Okay, so just to bring context, so the one prior to him, Roberto Micheletti, if I'm saying
00:06:01.580 it correctly, he was a Democrat.
00:06:05.900 He's a liberal.
00:06:07.360 Then Lobo, as previous to you, comes in.
00:06:11.280 He fires the chief of air force who shot down three planes that were flying drugs into Honduras
00:06:19.860 and then going to the next state.
00:06:21.280 Yes.
00:06:21.560 How did he explain that to the people when he fired the chief of air force?
00:06:26.740 What did he say on TV?
00:06:28.340 They didn't say anything.
00:06:29.960 When I asked them, they told me, we have a pressure from the United States saying that
00:06:36.520 we cannot do that.
00:06:38.360 And I said, why?
00:06:40.020 And they said that sometime ago in Peru, there was an accident.
00:06:44.980 They took down a civilian plane.
00:06:47.540 And there were some passengers from missionary people, nuns.
00:06:54.180 And I said, now we have to create a law to be sure of that.
00:07:00.340 Or air force, although it is small, but it is the most professional in the region.
00:07:05.720 But when we create that, I'm going to say something else, too, that I haven't said it before.
00:07:09.960 And if you dig into the classified cables from the State Department and also from the Defense Department,
00:07:18.220 you are going to find out.
00:07:19.180 I met with the former South commander before I became president.
00:07:27.260 It was in January of 2014.
00:07:33.060 It was a private meeting.
00:07:35.000 But then he made that public because he went to have a meeting in the Senate.
00:07:39.920 And we talked about it with him, with General Kelly.
00:07:44.160 And I told him, listen, General Kelly, you know what's going on in Honduras.
00:07:49.200 We are going to extradite people.
00:07:52.140 It's going to be dangerous.
00:07:53.900 We need the backup of the United States because we are not as big as Colombia to support the terrorist attack that we are expecting.
00:08:01.320 We are going to transform the police.
00:08:04.520 I need to use the military force because, as in the United States, the military in Honduras is very well regarded by the people.
00:08:14.740 So we have to create so many other instruments, but we want to work side by side with you.
00:08:21.580 I have to reform the tax collection system and so many other things.
00:08:25.600 And he said, but if you use that law, the shooting down law, we are going to be with our hands tied because the State Department doesn't like that.
00:08:36.680 And I said, listen, the new law is based on the International Treaty of Chicago.
00:08:43.280 And there is a lot of protocols that and we are professionals regarding our efforts.
00:08:48.620 And so later on, I found out when I saw the cables during my trial, the declassified cables, that he told the State Department, the President Hernandez told me that he was going to do this because it was a very important deterrent.
00:09:07.540 After a year, he said it in Congress, before that law, let's say every year was about 300 flights, illegal flights.
00:09:18.640 After that law, we have just two.
00:09:23.360 And so that's the reason because in the International Narcotics Strategic Report that the United States issues every year,
00:09:33.520 we are improving the whole time that I was in office.
00:09:37.540 And my government was certified also as a trusted partner in the fight against narcotraffickers.
00:09:43.900 And who made those reports?
00:09:46.320 The DEA, the Coast Guard, but also Customs.
00:09:51.700 And there is in Key West, they have a task force of 19 agencies monitoring that.
00:09:59.880 I was invited there with my whole security council team
00:10:04.940 and was invited to the White House, to the CIA, to the FBI, to the DEA at the very high level.
00:10:12.300 And we were discussing how this fight was going on.
00:10:15.860 And everybody was saying,
00:10:19.040 Juan Orlando is doing unprecedented things and the results are historic.
00:10:24.760 But also, they said, Juan Orlando, he's a man of his word.
00:10:31.120 He managed to approve the extradition when he was a speaker of Congress.
00:10:35.460 And then when he became president, he was the first to use that.
00:10:40.760 We extradited during my term about 30 kingpins from Honduras.
00:10:46.980 But later on, they used that extradition treaty to extradite me.
00:10:54.200 How is that hypocrisy?
00:10:56.220 Who did? U.S.? 0.69
00:10:57.980 The Biden administration.
00:11:00.440 The Biden administration.
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