Valuetainment - May 15, 2025


＂I'll Take A Polygraph!＂ - Curt Weldon CHALLENGES Deep State On 9⧸11 SECRETS


Episode Stats

Length

12 minutes

Words per Minute

186.50363

Word Count

2,410

Sentence Count

214

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

Tony and Rob discuss the 9/11 attacks, the Iranian government s response to them, and why they should not be seen as enemies of the United States. Tony and Rob also discuss the recent interview with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his claim that the U.S. government was behind the attacks.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 And by the way, I've had multiple conversations with Ahmadinejad.
00:00:02.520 We've done multiple Zooms with him.
00:00:04.660 He reached out.
00:00:05.580 I was supposed to fly to a country in Europe to interview with him.
00:00:10.300 And that was a day after the assassination attempt they had on him.
00:00:16.120 I don't know if you remember that when that story came out publicly.
00:00:18.820 He said something.
00:00:19.540 He made a couple other claims.
00:00:20.520 Rob, if you want to play a couple of claims in what he said,
00:00:22.860 and you remember this one here.
00:00:24.440 This is him.
00:00:25.580 What's the date on this, Rob, when the speech was given?
00:00:27.720 I'm not sure of the date.
00:00:28.680 I believe this is at the United Nations because the delegates from the United States walk out.
00:00:31.980 You're familiar with the speech?
00:00:33.020 Go ahead and play this, Kilbrat.
00:00:34.400 Identifying those responsible behind the September 11 attacks, there were three viewpoints.
00:00:41.020 First, that a very powerful and complex terrorist group,
00:00:44.760 able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack.
00:00:51.700 This is the prevalent viewpoint which has been supported mainly and advocated by American statesmen.
00:01:00.760 Second, that some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy
00:01:09.360 and its grips on the Middle East in order to save the Zionist regime.
00:01:15.000 The majority of the American people, as well as most nations and politicians around the world, agree with this view.
00:01:25.260 Third, it was carried out by a terrorist group, but that the American government supported and took advantage of the situation.
00:01:36.780 The main evidence for this viewpoint links the incident with a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble
00:01:49.980 and a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown,
00:01:56.900 but it was announced that he had been involved in ordeals with some American officials.
00:02:04.380 It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire, no trace of suicide attackers was found.
00:02:13.480 You can pause that.
00:02:14.800 Thoughts on that, Tony?
00:02:15.900 Well, I've never seen this before, but it seems like I came up with a couple of the options.
00:02:21.100 You've never seen this before?
00:02:21.900 I've never seen this before, no.
00:02:23.480 And it seems like some of the things I mentioned to you track with what he's saying.
00:02:28.100 I've never seen this.
00:02:28.900 I had no idea this existed.
00:02:31.480 Kurt, had you seen that before?
00:02:32.920 No.
00:02:33.620 What do you think about what he's saying?
00:02:37.300 I'd have to analyze it some more.
00:02:38.860 I have some thoughts.
00:02:39.640 But, again, I try to be very careful because what they'll do is they'll pick apart what I say.
00:02:46.200 And what I try to do, either I have backed up with my files.
00:02:49.660 I have the largest archives in house history or my oral history, which is 100 hours of videos done by the past president of the National Association of Oral Historians,
00:02:59.060 or by firsthand evidence.
00:03:01.580 And I don't know.
00:03:03.600 My contention is just that Iran should not be an enemy right now.
00:03:08.780 The people of Iran have never been – they were good friends of ours under the Shah, and they're good people.
00:03:14.160 And we should not allow ourselves to be sucked into another war.
00:03:17.060 It's a very different country, though, Kurt.
00:03:18.680 I know that, but it's been –
00:03:20.140 Very different country.
00:03:21.380 Before Iran, there's only two countries in the history of mankind that have said death upon America.
00:03:26.400 Yep, I understand that.
00:03:27.120 It's North Korea and Iran after 1979.
00:03:30.700 Pre-79, Iran had great relationship with us, great relationship with Israel, great relationship with the world.
00:03:37.020 Shah didn't trust Israel because where they are politically, but he was still able to do business with them.
00:03:42.240 He was able to do business with France.
00:03:43.500 He was able to do business with Europe.
00:03:45.800 But the moment the IRGC, the founder of IRGC, I had on the podcast here four months ago.
00:03:51.620 He was right here.
00:03:52.280 We had a two-and-a-half-hour conversation together.
00:03:54.180 Him and Khomeini started IRGC, and we talked about what happened.
00:03:58.080 With all the lies and Sinema Rex, this is not the same Iran we're talking about.
00:04:02.440 It's a very different Iran.
00:04:03.320 But you're not calling for a war with Iran.
00:04:04.720 I don't want no war.
00:04:05.900 I don't want people dying.
00:04:07.460 I just – I lived there when war happened.
00:04:09.560 I saw people dying.
00:04:10.900 I lived in Iran for almost 11 years.
00:04:13.280 From 19 – I'm born October 1878.
00:04:16.100 We left July 1589.
00:04:18.340 So think what era I lived in Iran.
00:04:20.260 In Tehran, by the way, capital.
00:04:22.000 You mentioned North Korea.
00:04:23.060 I took all three delegations of North Korea, the three U.S. delegations I took, all bipartisan.
00:04:29.440 And I went in there again to support the president.
00:04:31.320 I never went on a foreign delegation because that's not the role of the Congress to do foreign policy, only to support the president.
00:04:37.200 I led delegations to 104 countries.
00:04:39.460 I went to North Korea.
00:04:40.740 And I went there in support of George Bush in the early 2000s.
00:04:44.240 And with Colin Powell's support, Colin Powell was the secretary of state, a good man.
00:04:50.000 I wanted him to run for president.
00:04:51.240 He didn't want to do it.
00:04:52.460 He was screwed by Bush because Condi Rice wanted to kick him out so she could take his job in the second four years, and she did.
00:04:58.440 I'm aware of that.
00:04:59.500 That's why Colin Powell didn't support George Bush for re-election.
00:05:02.740 I know that for a fact.
00:05:03.920 But anyway, I went to North Korea, and I said, what do you people want?
00:05:08.520 They said, Congressman, we really don't trust the Chinese.
00:05:11.220 We don't fully trust the Russians.
00:05:12.620 The person I met with was Kim Gai Kwan.
00:05:14.780 He was our lead negotiator.
00:05:16.120 How many times did you go to North Korea?
00:05:17.360 I went there three times, three times, and to Pyongyang.
00:05:21.320 I went there once to Panmunjom to bring back the remains, and I went to Pyongyang.
00:05:26.800 And I said, well, what do you want?
00:05:28.420 They said, we want the respect of the U.S.
00:05:30.680 We don't know how to get the respect of the U.S.
00:05:32.700 I said, well, one of the things you've got to do is you've got to stop terrorism, and you've got to stop your nuclear program.
00:05:38.040 They said, well, we're not really interested in pursuing a nuclear program.
00:05:40.280 This is back in 2003 and 2004.
00:05:42.840 So I said, well, what if we came up with a plan that maybe would allow you to have an alternative source of energy?
00:05:48.780 They said, we'd be interested in that.
00:05:49.960 So with my delegation, again, three Democrats, I can name them, and they'll come on your show, and two other Republicans.
00:05:56.200 On the back of an envelope, on my first or second trip there, I wrote down six or seven items.
00:06:04.020 It became a two-part plan to create what I call the peace pipeline.
00:06:07.700 Is this it?
00:06:09.040 The peace pipeline?
00:06:10.360 Yeah, that's it.
00:06:10.940 That's it.
00:06:11.280 That's the meeting.
00:06:12.200 That's the meeting.
00:06:13.440 So I said, and I met separately with Kim Gai Kwan privately with the members.
00:06:18.900 They were off.
00:06:19.500 I said, I want to meet with you privately.
00:06:20.700 Let me run something by you because I have to get this approved by Secretary Powell and by the White House.
00:06:25.460 I said, the six-party nations, China, Russia, South Korea, North Korea, the U.S., what if they all came together and offered you some other way for energy?
00:06:36.920 Let's say the Russian has energy up in the Far East, up around Kamchatka, oil and gas.
00:06:41.840 What if we built pipelines from the Russian Far East that came down from Kamchatka through China down the rail corridor of North Korea to South Korea?
00:06:49.800 And what if COGAS in South Korea offered to buy that product and sell it to China, to Japan, and the other countries?
00:06:56.900 And China built the pipeline.
00:06:59.340 Would you then be willing to give up your nuclear program?
00:07:02.420 And the North Koreans said, yes.
00:07:04.400 So I wrote up a two-part, ten-point peace plan.
00:07:07.960 Colin Powell had me speak at the monthly Secretary of State forum that he sponsored as a secretary in front of 200 State Department employees.
00:07:14.480 And he put it on his website.
00:07:16.520 The peace plan was approved by all other four nations, five nations.
00:07:21.800 I went to Wuhan, China.
00:07:23.500 Wuhan, China, besides being the health problem, their largest manufacturer of pipe is in Wuhan.
00:07:29.220 They had 500,000 employees there.
00:07:30.860 I went to Wuhan and spent a week.
00:07:32.460 I met with the leadership of the pipe company and the party in Wuhan.
00:07:35.660 I said, can you get the party leadership to approve you building pipe for a pipeline system from the Russian Far East down through China and North Korea to South Korea?
00:07:45.060 They said, we'd love it.
00:07:46.280 And, yes, our country will support that.
00:07:48.480 I went to COGAS.
00:07:49.840 I'm very tight with the South Koreans.
00:07:52.500 Kim, the former defense minister, is a good friend of mine.
00:07:56.080 And I traveled with him to Kazakhstan.
00:07:58.160 He knows me very well.
00:07:59.060 And the president was also a good friend.
00:08:00.700 He held a dinner for me when I left Congress.
00:08:02.120 I said, well, COGAS, we'll buy it for ourselves and we'll sell it we don't need to China, to Japan.
00:08:08.200 Yes, Congressman, it's a great idea.
00:08:10.440 The Russians, I said, you want to sell the product up there?
00:08:12.960 Absolutely, Congressman, we'll sell all the oil and gas.
00:08:16.260 All the countries supported it.
00:08:18.580 And the plan was that we would not complete and open the pipelines until North Korea shut down the Yungbun reactor.
00:08:25.340 That's their main reactor.
00:08:26.560 Shut it down.
00:08:27.140 And allowed for a transparent multinational review of that site to verify that the nuclear program was totally shut down.
00:08:35.120 And I told them, once that's done and once it's verified, then the product will flow through the pipelines and you'll get a tipping fee.
00:08:42.000 For every barrel of product going through the pipeline, you'll get income for your country.
00:08:46.000 And you'll get to use some of the product for energy for your nation so you won't need nuclear power.
00:08:50.780 The North Koreans wanted to do it.
00:08:53.600 The White House didn't want it.
00:08:55.360 I'll tell you how severe it was and how childish it was.
00:08:59.600 You know, we have an annual prayer breakfast in Washington every year.
00:09:02.440 And I used to go to every one of them.
00:09:03.780 And the president speaks.
00:09:05.620 So I was at the time working both Libya and North Korea.
00:09:08.460 I'd been to both countries.
00:09:09.900 So the Libyan ambassador in Washington was a man named Ojali.
00:09:13.360 I said, Ambassador Ojali, will you come sit at the prayer breakfast with my delegation in front of the president to show that Libya is serious about peace with America?
00:09:20.840 He said, absolutely, Congressman.
00:09:21.840 A month before the prayer breakfast, I get a call from the two embassy officials.
00:09:27.820 North Korea had no embassy here.
00:09:29.080 They had a consular office up at the U.N.
00:09:31.340 Ambassador Hahn and Ambassador Park.
00:09:33.300 Ambassador Hahn called me.
00:09:35.080 He said, Chairman Weldon, you have some kind of a prayer event in Washington once a year.
00:09:40.240 I said, yes, Ambassador.
00:09:41.440 It's the prayer breakfast.
00:09:42.360 He said, Ambassador Park and I would like to come and bring our spouses.
00:09:47.120 I said, you want to come to the prayer breakfast?
00:09:48.920 He said, yes.
00:09:49.520 I said, well, you know, you can't have a press conference there.
00:09:51.820 It's a prayer breakfast.
00:09:52.800 We pray.
00:09:54.600 He said, no, Congressman.
00:09:55.900 We just want to come and show our presence.
00:09:59.040 Well, I said, absolutely.
00:10:00.160 You'll be my guest.
00:10:01.380 I organized the table.
00:10:03.280 It was going to be the ambassador from Libyan, his wife, Ambassador Hahn and his wife, Ambassador Park and his wife, right in the front in the center of the national prayer breakfast.
00:10:11.240 About two weeks before the prayer breakfast, I got a call from Ambassador Hahn.
00:10:17.020 He was very upset.
00:10:18.840 He said, Congressman Weldon, we have to turn down your offer.
00:10:22.620 I said, why would you do this to me?
00:10:24.840 You asked me to get the invitation.
00:10:26.280 I get it.
00:10:26.660 I get the table.
00:10:27.240 He said, Congressman, you don't understand.
00:10:29.520 We're not an embassy.
00:10:31.160 For us to travel outside of New York out of 50 miles, we have to get State Department approval.
00:10:35.420 We applied for the permit, and your State Department turned us down.
00:10:40.680 I hung up the phone, and I called the State Department.
00:10:44.060 And the congressional affairs guy whose name I have in my records, and he'll say this, he'll verify it, before I could even say anything, he said, Mr. Chairman, I know why you're calling, and Chairman Powell supports you.
00:10:54.280 We were called by the White House and told to deny the approval for the two embassy leaders from North Korea to come with a prayer breakfast.
00:11:02.440 What was their fear?
00:11:03.300 Condoleezza Rice.
00:11:03.880 She didn't want them in the room with the – she didn't want to show that North Korea wanted a peaceful coexistence with America.
00:11:14.140 I'll take a polygraph.
00:11:15.420 I get it.
00:11:16.140 But what you're saying is that these neocons, they want war.
00:11:22.600 They want conflict.
00:11:24.080 Why, though?
00:11:25.040 Is it pure profit, or is it just constant conflict?
00:11:27.660 It's Marxism.
00:11:29.120 It's Trotsky.
00:11:30.160 If you look back at their roots, it goes back to Irvin – what's his name?
00:11:37.420 Oh, my goodness.
00:11:38.080 I'm having a senior moment.
00:11:41.320 Senior moment who does 20 pull-ups, by the way.
00:11:43.440 Well, that's how I get past senior moments.
00:11:48.520 Oh, my God.
00:11:49.080 Because anyway, it's a form.
00:11:51.360 The neocons –
00:11:51.740 Irving Zeitlin?
00:11:53.060 No, no.
00:11:53.560 Irving – his son is a big neocon now.
00:11:57.740 He's one of the –
00:11:59.340 Crystal, Crystal.
00:12:00.060 Crystal.
00:12:01.200 Irving Crystal.
00:12:01.980 Okay.
00:12:02.120 Irving Crystal, you know, Bill's dad, created the neocon movement out of essentially a Trotskyite concept of using a combination – yeah, there you go.
00:12:17.520 It's a combination of collectivism, concept of collectivism and chaos.
00:12:24.320 That's why Stalin had Trotsky killed, because Stalin did not like the idea that some guy was running around there using essentially communism as a method of insinuating chaos.
00:12:36.060 The chaos, they believe, philosophically, will allow for them to gain control.
00:12:41.700 The chaos, they believe, gives them some level of global control.
00:12:45.140 That was – and that goes back to Stalin.
00:12:47.100 That makes sense to me.
00:12:48.120 That makes sense to me.
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