Valuetainment - August 20, 2025


“I Saw The Painting＂ - Epstein Insider Michael Wolff CONFIRMS Weird Clinton Dress Painting Is REAL!

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Jeffrey Epstein Hillary Clinton Donald Trump Bush Les Wexner Michael Samuel Volgervano Clintons Barack
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11 minutes

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1,900

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Jeffrey Epstein was a man of many talents. He was a lawyer, a philanthropist, an investor, an entrepreneur, an art collector, and a sex worker. But when it comes to art, he was a master of none other than his own creation, a painting of President George W. Bush and a portrait of President Bill Clinton. This is the story of Epstein's art collection.

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00:00:00.000 Michael, when you were interviewing and recording Epstein, was it mostly in his apartment?
00:00:06.220 Is that where it was at, his penthouse in Manhattan?
00:00:09.880 Well, it's not a penthouse.
00:00:11.920 It's a mansion.
00:00:15.280 21,000 square feet.
00:00:16.560 I think that's the one that Lex Wexner gave him.
00:00:18.340 It's a beautiful property from what I hear.
00:00:20.620 And that's even another soft, soft thing that it said, you know, you hear it's 21,000 square feet.
00:00:29.400 Epstein described it as 55,000 square feet.
00:00:32.860 And it clearly is, I mean, you know, a good-sized townhouse in New York is about, you know, 15,000 to 20,000 square feet.
00:00:45.800 This is triple the size of a good-sized townhouse.
00:00:51.200 I mean, it is, it's on a block in Manhattan on 71st Street between Fifth Avenue and Madison Avenue, which is, it's a block of these significant mansions.
00:01:06.740 But his dwarfs them all. 0.99
00:01:09.560 So, you see, I mean, there are these big mansions which you would say, oh, my God, you know, that must be a, you know, who could possibly live in that?
00:01:18.040 Those are amazing.
00:01:19.480 55,000.
00:01:19.500 And then next to his, you see, this is truly mind-blowing.
00:01:24.760 Yeah, I mean, it's documented as the largest private residence in Manhattan, whether you call it a penthouse or whatever.
00:01:29.420 So, did you ever ask him why Lex Wexner gave that to him as a gift?
00:01:35.840 Yes, and he would deny that.
00:01:40.780 He would?
00:01:41.160 In other words, he said, yes, this was part of a financial transaction he had with Wexner.
00:01:47.860 The details of which I don't exactly know, but certainly he billed this as a, that he had bought the house from Wexner.
00:01:58.620 Did it not make you kind of sit there and say, I mean, I'm sure you've got nice gifts in your life.
00:02:03.200 I've had a couple of nice gifts, you know, in my life, a couple of them for my friends and my wife.
00:02:07.100 No one's been nice enough to give me a, you know, the largest private residence.
00:02:11.280 Well, you know, I once, I once had a conversation with Wexner about, about, this is the only time I met Wexner.
00:02:19.020 And he had said, and I said, you know, I mean, how did you meet, you know, Epstein or something.
00:02:27.020 Something, but it, I, and I don't remember my question, but I remember his answer.
00:02:31.660 He looked surprised and said, and said, Jeffrey made me half a billion dollars.
00:02:38.940 Jeffrey made me half a billion dollars.
00:02:41.360 Yes.
00:02:41.560 Did he tell you how?
00:02:42.160 I don't, well, I, I, I assume from, you know, giving him financial advice, but I don't know, and possibly investment advice.
00:02:51.860 I mean, that a lot of people make a lot of people half a billion dollars, but they don't give the biggest private residence in New York.
00:02:58.340 Well, as I say, as I say, from Epstein's point of view, this was not a gift.
00:03:03.760 It was a transaction.
00:03:04.820 All right.
00:03:05.220 The nature of that transaction.
00:03:06.920 I don't know.
00:03:07.720 It's a little bit, you know, suspicious on what happened here.
00:03:10.680 When you walked into this private residence, you know how they say that painting of President Bush and Clinton.
00:03:16.980 Did you ever see those two paintings in the, in the property?
00:03:20.280 I, I, I don't know the, the president Bush, I saw, I saw that one.
00:03:25.180 It was in a little, a little, it was in a, basically in a closet off the main entrance.
00:03:31.060 Did you ever ask him why he has that?
00:03:32.880 That's a very weird painting for you to have of a president in a dress in a painting, in a, in a, in a painting.
00:03:40.360 That's kind of weird.
00:03:41.860 Yeah.
00:03:42.060 I think it was a joke painting.
00:03:44.040 You know, at, at one point I, I never saw that painting.
00:03:47.480 So I, I don't, I don't know where, where the Bush painting is from.
00:03:51.880 Um, I have seen the Clinton painting and, um, you know, it was a, a joke, the nature of the joke.
00:03:59.880 I'm not exactly sure.
00:04:01.840 Um, but it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a point about Epstein that, that, that he treated almost everything like a joke.
00:04:12.200 In fact, art itself was treated like a joke.
00:04:16.580 The, the, the, the piece of art above his mantle, above the fireplace on the ground floor, was something he had bought on the street, which is a street painting for a hundred dollars or something.
00:04:32.880 And then he had spent thousands and thousands of dollars on framing it.
00:04:38.320 So it looked like a, partly because of this frame, it looked like a significant piece of art, which it, which it was not.
00:04:48.700 And it amused him that many of the wealthy men he knew spent enormous amounts of money on, on art, which he considered a, a kind of vanity or even a pretension on possibly a fraud.
00:05:06.440 Yeah.
00:05:06.940 Yeah.
00:05:07.780 So very, very interesting when you think about, so you saw the painting, Bill Clinton's president, Bill Clinton's, if you're going to play a joke and you're going to have all these guests that come in, I don't know if the former who would book, you know, Barack that these guys are coming over 36 times.
00:05:23.540 But if, if, if I'm living in America, I don't know if I'm going to have a painting of the president like that in my house to make fun of the president.
00:05:32.160 It undermines the leader of my country.
00:05:34.560 Or there's some people that speculate that this was one way of him saying, Hey, I have you, Bill, you better, and there's a lot of different speculations.
00:05:43.100 Well, I don't know.
00:05:43.920 I mean, he certainly didn't have him and, you know, the Clintons bill particularly walked out of his life after the, um, uh, the investigation started.
00:05:55.080 So the, the painting may have been a kind of, there may have been some bitterness in this painting and he kept this, this, this painting.
00:06:04.780 And I don't really know where the painting came from.
00:06:07.300 Um, but he was certainly not, you know, again, I, you know, I think it hurt him that, that, that Clinton turned on him like that.
00:06:16.840 And that would even, that would be a validation of to say, now that you turned on me and distance, distance yourself from me, after all the fun you had with me traveling without secret service, just so you know, you better not screw me.
00:06:30.220 Cause I know, you know, what I know about you in a very dark way.
00:06:35.840 That would make sense to say, everyone that comes here better not come after me.
00:06:40.480 Cause I'm, I know what you, you know, what I know about you.
00:06:42.720 Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's possible except that obviously people did come after him.
00:06:48.580 Um, and, um, uh, you know, there was no, I, you know, I, I think at various points and there were people who wanted him to spill or share information about Clinton.
00:07:05.060 Um, and I don't think that, that, I mean, to my knowledge that never happened.
00:07:12.100 And, um, um, uh, you, you know, I mean, I think that was, that was always a possibility in a, in a sense that Epstein believed in the, in the investigation, the initial investigation of him in Florida.
00:07:27.540 So the investigation of him in Florida, as I understand, began as a, um, as a state investigation, actually a local investigation by the, by the, by the police in Palm beach.
00:07:42.140 And then it was taken over, um, um, and then it was taken over, um, by the feds, which would have been unusual.
00:07:49.060 Um, and Epstein believed that that was an effort by people in the Bush administration.
00:07:55.780 And then to get information about Bill Clinton, um, is this the Palm beach story with the parents of the 14 year old girl that said that, you know, she was molested by him.
00:08:09.300 This is the first investigation investigation, which began in 2004 and then sent him to jail.
00:08:16.560 And I don't know, in your, in your eyes, Michael, having, having spent as much time as you did with them, do you think Epstein is a bad guy?
00:08:27.420 Well, he's clearly a bad guy.
00:08:29.280 I mean, he clearly did things that I would not do and you would not do.
00:08:33.480 Um, and, um, so, so yeah, I mean, he's a sex offender.
00:08:44.240 He went to jail.
00:08:45.040 Um, but is he, uh, is he, in addition to that, an intelligent guy, a knowledgeable guy, a guy who had, um, um, who had insights to offer?
00:08:58.560 I would say in my experience, yes.
00:09:01.920 Um, does one cancel out the other?
00:09:05.040 No, but they exist together.
00:09:07.960 Totally makes sense.
00:09:08.880 I, I've met a lot of guys that are extremely knowledgeable and, and fun, even fun to talk to, but you know, they've done some, I interviewed Samuel Volgervano.
00:09:19.480 He's got to be one of the best storytellers I've met in my life.
00:09:21.740 Well, yes, I mean, I've, I've, I have a kind of specialty in bad guys.
00:09:26.300 I know you do.
00:09:26.940 That's why, um, you know, and, um, uh, you know, I know a lot of bad guys, well, it's your world for me.
00:09:34.320 They're not, they're not gangsters.
00:09:35.920 They're guys who are, um, I would consider, as you probably know, Donald Trump to be a bad guy.
00:09:42.400 Okay.
00:09:42.580 So you, so, so you think Donald Trump is a bad guy and, and you think Epstein is also a bad guy.
00:09:48.920 So, yeah.
00:09:49.680 And I, and I think, and it's always, I think Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein are very much similar people.
00:09:56.940 Um, that's why Epstein, knowing Epstein, Epstein supplies a window into who Donald Trump is because they were a, so close, but also so close in their, in their interests.
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