＂I've Been Arrested By The FBI＂ - James O’Keefe DEFIES Deep State Threats Over BLACKMAIL Attempts
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Summary
In this episode, Tucker and I talk about the FBI raid on Michael Flynn's office and why it s so difficult to be a leaker in the 21st century. We also talk about what it means to be brave and how to deal with the pressures of being a journalist.
Transcript
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How do you think about the team and the people that he's put together?
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In full disclosure, I've hiked with Bobby Kennedy in the Santa Monica Mountains,
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When I say brave, I mean there is no incentive for him to do what he has done.
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So I agree with Tucker that Bobby Kennedy is probably one of the bravest people
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But I think going back to your point about incentives, in my case,
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and I speak from personal experience, let me give you a thought experiment.
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What Trump has gone through is at the highest level.
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And I find that there is an incentive to betray people like Trump.
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If you go to the New York Times, there's an incentive there.
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And I find that when you are pinched by the FBI, which I have been, and by the way,
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But they did this to Michael Flynn's son or something to the effect of, you better sign this form saying that your boss committed a crime or you won't see your family for 10 years.
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In other words, how many people would do the right thing even if they suffered?
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That's a really terrifying and you hesitate to answer that question because this is where things get really deep.
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Because when you're going after the most powerful people in the world, which we are doing, which Trump is doing,
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you have to find people, not Pat, who just won't leak information.
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But if the FBI were to point a gun at you and said, you better sign a form saying that James embezzled money,
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they say, I will not do that because I fear God, not man.
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I will not bear false witness because it's the wrong thing to do.
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Well, then you're not going to see your family for 10 years.
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The instinct for self-preservation is an extremely important human behavior.
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And if you're going to do what Donald Trump is doing, or to a certain extent what Project Veritas is doing,
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going after Anthony Fauci and these types of people and Pfizer and BlackRock and the FBI,
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you have to find people who are completely unbreakable.
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And Donald Trump, I'll say one quick story about Donald Trump.
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I was with him a year ago in his apartment in New York City.
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And this was like right around the week he was getting indicted for some stupid stuff with the porn star.
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And I had done a story on the CIA, exposed a CIA guy on tape who was on one of these dating apps giving away information.
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And Trump wanted to make a video with me about reacting to this.
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But he has been able to develop a way, perhaps, where he just got thick skin, you know.
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But my people around me have to be really, really strong.
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And when you go up to that position, you have to also know that your own family is not going to understand the job.
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Your voters are not going to understand the job.
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There's some decisions you have to make that's going to make 80% of people unhappy.
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And then you're going to be also in positions where your character is going to be tested.
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But sometimes you wonder when these guys get in, another reason why they, you know, flip or change or any of that.
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Somebody that I have information on that I can control when I give them the job or somebody I don't have information on?
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I don't know if you understand the question, what I'm saying.
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Somebody I hire that I have information on them.
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Some intel on them that's maybe sensitive, that they wouldn't want to be public.
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Am I better off hiring somebody that I have something like that or am I better off offering a job to somebody that I have no intel on them?
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And whether you have something, I mean, people, everyone has skeletons in their closet, correct?
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Maybe something we've done that we're not proud of.
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Maybe not illegal, although maybe you stole something when you were a teenager.
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But isn't it true that we all, every single one of us has something that we're not?
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These board members of my company were trying to leak intimate messages between me and my girlfriend,
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which made them look bad because everyone has an intimate life, consensual life in your bedroom.
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What I would say in response to that is that, yeah, the motivation,
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the incentive for people not to have those skeletons leaked is extremely high.
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People will do anything to avoid being publicly shamed.
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And this is where this blackmail and this extortion thing comes in.
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Evidently, they don't have much on me because the FBI went through every message in my phone for five years,
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and all they could get was some kinky messages between me and my girlfriend.
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But I do think that the – what is your answer?
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Which of those do you think is an employer you'd focus on between those two?
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No, to me, it depends what type of a leader you are.
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It depends on what type of a leader you are because I've watched how some of our guys led their guys
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I was in a previous company, and I watched how one guy led one of his guys who he held him hostage
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because every month that guy under the table was giving him cash for loans and stuff like that, mortgages,
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and then all of a sudden, the day it stopped, that guy lost all his licenses.
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So he liked having information on his guys to hold him hostage.
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But deep down inside, that relationship is a dark relationship, and you don't have the loyalty.
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It's kind of like – imagine Anna Nicole Smith marries that billionaire, whoever the guy was.
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And he was 88 years old, whatever his age was, right?
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She marries this guy, old as hell, and you think all the money in the world is going to win her love over?
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Whoever this J. Howard Marshall was that she ends up with this guy, and next thing you know, he dies.
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She's wealthy, and then she dies from overdose, right?
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You can, you know, win someone's sex over, their body over love.
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That takes a lot of work to get someone's love, right?
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So I think the part with Trump which made him one of a kind is, do you realize we now know about Stormy Daniels,
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Which, by the way, if you remember the moment Herman Cain, 13 years ago, whatever the timeline was,
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He's not coming out because apparently him and his wife were fighting in the bus,
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and they found out while he was the CEO of this pizza company, he had a lover or he had a, what do you call it,
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While Trump would come out and say, listen, it's my personal life.
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So Trump was the guy that because he was so trained in New York to go up against these gangsters and tough guys
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and manipulators and media, he has been trained to get to this position.
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So I think for him, he got so much moral authority today that if you cross him, the world is going to defend him.
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I'm not talking mainstream media, but the people that are his supporters.
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I don't know if he needs, I think an average regular president that got up there,
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the traditional go be a lawyer and go be a Congress and Senate and bullshit, bullshit.
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I think from Trump's standpoint, Trump is like, look, if you're in, you're in.
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But I don't give a shit about what mistakes you made.
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I think my concern as an employer would be, I don't know if this falls into your dichotomy,
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Will the enemy, will the person allow the enemy to use that information as leverage?
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And I'm the type of person where they may have something on me.
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But do my employees, are they able to be strong enough or will the enemy come and say,
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we have this information upon you now, betray your mission?
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That's a pure test to find out who was loyal and who wasn't.
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It was because it's, you know, you're just benefiting from what you were getting.
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You know, these moments where you're tempted to steal money, where you're tempted to do
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certain things, where you're tempted to go through.
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The stuff I found out yesterday, one of these guys that we've been investigating has done.
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And by the way, you have to hear what he used to say.
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Because you know what happens when the investigation is over with?
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We're going to publicly report it to everybody here, to our employees.
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It's the same thing we did in the insurance company.
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If anybody at all sold insurance doing forgery, we told everybody.
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We told everybody and said, that guy's insurance license is lost for 10 years.
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Go ahead and test it and see what happens to you.
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If somebody went out there, did any kind of stuff that was bad, we publicized it so people
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It's a form of accountability and it's a form of awareness.
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It's just like, you know, you ever seen the mom or the dad is trying to feed the kid and
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the kid is not eating and he puts it in the dog's, the doll's mouth, and then goes to
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the kid, goes this way, goes this way, and this guy's down there, bam, hits the face of
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So it's a form of don't make this effing mistake, right?
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So that's the part where some people are not happy with us not seeing the accountability
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I would say the part that they're, what's the word?
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Battling with is, look, there's so many great things that happened, but I really wanted
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So do I compromise these two things that I really wanted to know?
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Because what are you doing to these kids and innocent kids?
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Are we just going to go hush hush to this side?
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To this group that voted specifically to find out what's going on with Epstein and the
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kids, they're not the type that going to forget about it.
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They're the type that's going to keep bringing it up until you either reveal or you have
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