Valuetainment - May 27, 2025


＂I've Been Arrested By The FBI＂ - James O’Keefe DEFIES Deep State Threats Over BLACKMAIL Attempts


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In this episode, Tucker and I talk about the FBI raid on Michael Flynn's office and why it s so difficult to be a leaker in the 21st century. We also talk about what it means to be brave and how to deal with the pressures of being a journalist.

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00:00:00.000 How do you think about the team and the people that he's put together?
00:00:03.260 I think they're a good team.
00:00:04.580 I think they're loyal.
00:00:06.080 In full disclosure, I've hiked with Bobby Kennedy in the Santa Monica Mountains,
00:00:11.180 and I found him to be a brave man.
00:00:14.420 When I say brave, I mean there is no incentive for him to do what he has done.
00:00:20.020 He's a Kennedy.
00:00:21.360 So I agree with Tucker that Bobby Kennedy is probably one of the bravest people
00:00:25.580 to have done what he has done.
00:00:27.640 But I think going back to your point about incentives, in my case,
00:00:32.460 and I speak from personal experience, let me give you a thought experiment.
00:00:37.620 I've been arrested by the FBI.
00:00:39.040 I've been raided by the FBI.
00:00:40.040 I've been sued 50 times.
00:00:41.020 I've been through all these things.
00:00:41.880 I haven't been shot yet.
00:00:43.480 What Trump has gone through is at the highest level.
00:00:48.040 And I find that there is an incentive to betray people like Trump.
00:00:55.560 Look at all the goodies you get.
00:00:57.640 If you go to the New York Times, there's an incentive there.
00:01:01.660 And I find that when you are pinched by the FBI, which I have been, and by the way,
00:01:10.140 totally falsely accused.
00:01:11.480 That doesn't matter if you did it or not.
00:01:12.960 You're an innocent man.
00:01:13.860 Forget that.
00:01:14.320 But they did this to Michael Flynn's son or something to the effect of, you better sign this form saying that your boss committed a crime or you won't see your family for 10 years.
00:01:25.640 How many people would take that deal?
00:01:27.660 In other words, how many people would do the right thing even if they suffered?
00:01:33.160 That's a really terrifying and you hesitate to answer that question because this is where things get really deep.
00:01:39.960 Because when you're going after the most powerful people in the world, which we are doing, which Trump is doing,
00:01:46.420 you have to find people, not Pat, who just won't leak information.
00:01:53.040 But if the FBI were to point a gun at you and said, you better sign a form saying that James embezzled money,
00:01:59.240 they say, I will not do that because I fear God, not man.
00:02:04.140 I will not bear false witness because it's the wrong thing to do.
00:02:15.740 Well, then you're not going to see your family for 10 years.
00:02:17.900 Okay.
00:02:18.920 You have to find people like that.
00:02:21.440 That's hard.
00:02:22.640 It's hard to find those people.
00:02:24.420 I go back to my original point.
00:02:26.920 The instinct for self-preservation is an extremely important human behavior.
00:02:31.760 And if you're going to do what Donald Trump is doing, or to a certain extent what Project Veritas is doing,
00:02:37.340 going after Anthony Fauci and these types of people and Pfizer and BlackRock and the FBI,
00:02:42.800 you have to find people who are completely unbreakable.
00:02:47.680 And that's just what we're talking about.
00:02:49.120 How do you find that?
00:02:49.740 Very difficult thing.
00:02:50.940 Very difficult thing to do.
00:02:52.020 And Donald Trump, I'll say one quick story about Donald Trump.
00:02:54.100 I was with him a year ago in his apartment in New York City.
00:02:58.700 And this was like right around the week he was getting indicted for some stupid stuff with the porn star.
00:03:06.140 And he was signing a hat to my father.
00:03:08.880 And I had done a story on the CIA, exposed a CIA guy on tape who was on one of these dating apps giving away information.
00:03:15.660 I'm resisting Donald Trump.
00:03:16.900 I'm not giving information to the president.
00:03:19.440 And Trump wanted to make a video with me about reacting to this.
00:03:23.000 And I said, how do you deal with it?
00:03:25.420 I said, I'm serious.
00:03:26.840 And he goes, he's signing this hat to my dad.
00:03:29.540 And he goes, I just don't care.
00:03:32.700 I just don't care.
00:03:34.120 I was like, you don't care.
00:03:35.060 He's like, I don't care.
00:03:37.120 Maybe he doesn't care.
00:03:38.920 But he has been able to develop a way, perhaps, where he just got thick skin, you know.
00:03:45.400 But it's tough.
00:03:46.820 It's really tough to face these attacks.
00:03:49.960 And I can be strong, right?
00:03:51.060 I cannot bear false witness, right?
00:03:53.040 I can say, I will not talk to you.
00:03:54.840 Screw you.
00:03:55.900 But my people around me have to be really, really strong.
00:03:59.140 Yeah, it's not everybody's job.
00:04:00.920 You know, it's not everybody's job.
00:04:03.060 And when you go up to that position, you have to also know that your own family is not going to understand the job.
00:04:10.280 Your voters are not going to understand the job.
00:04:13.680 There's some decisions you have to make that's going to make 80% of people unhappy.
00:04:17.140 And then you're going to be also in positions where your character is going to be tested.
00:04:21.620 You're hoping that part you don't fall for.
00:04:24.940 Okay.
00:04:25.160 But sometimes you wonder when these guys get in, another reason why they, you know, flip or change or any of that.
00:04:34.200 Who's more valuable to a U.S. government?
00:04:38.880 Somebody that I have information on that I can control when I give them the job or somebody I don't have information on?
00:04:46.060 I don't know if you understand the question, what I'm saying.
00:04:47.880 I said that again, so I understand.
00:04:49.520 Who is more controllable?
00:04:53.100 Somebody I hire that I have information on them.
00:04:57.300 Some intel on them that's maybe sensitive, that they wouldn't want to be public.
00:05:01.080 Am I better off hiring somebody that I have something like that or am I better off offering a job to somebody that I have no intel on them?
00:05:08.500 That's an interesting question.
00:05:09.740 And it depends on your style of leadership.
00:05:11.540 Interesting.
00:05:12.840 And whether you have something, I mean, people, everyone has skeletons in their closet, correct?
00:05:17.300 Maybe something we've done that we're not proud of.
00:05:19.360 Would you agree with that statement?
00:05:21.040 Maybe not illegal, although maybe you stole something when you were a teenager.
00:05:25.060 But isn't it true that we all, every single one of us has something that we're not?
00:05:28.520 No one walks on water.
00:05:29.760 Everyone sins in a different way.
00:05:30.840 We sin, and I mean, myself included.
00:05:33.980 These board members of my company were trying to leak intimate messages between me and my girlfriend,
00:05:38.780 which made them look bad because everyone has an intimate life, consensual life in your bedroom.
00:05:46.700 But I think your point is interesting.
00:05:48.520 What I would say in response to that is that, yeah, the motivation,
00:05:54.460 the incentive for people not to have those skeletons leaked is extremely high.
00:05:58.600 People will do anything to avoid being publicly shamed.
00:06:02.920 And this is where this blackmail and this extortion thing comes in.
00:06:06.940 My philosophy, you want to know what I said?
00:06:08.480 I said, go ahead, make my day.
00:06:10.200 Leak it.
00:06:10.860 I don't care.
00:06:11.440 I don't give a shit.
00:06:12.980 Publish everything.
00:06:13.820 And they did.
00:06:14.380 Evidently, they don't have much on me because the FBI went through every message in my phone for five years,
00:06:21.600 and all they could get was some kinky messages between me and my girlfriend.
00:06:25.680 But I do think that the – what is your answer?
00:06:28.520 Which of those do you think is an employer you'd focus on between those two?
00:06:32.780 No, to me, it depends what type of a leader you are.
00:06:36.280 Depends on what type of leader you are.
00:06:37.520 It depends on what type of a leader you are because I've watched how some of our guys led their guys
00:06:44.600 and some of my competitors led them.
00:06:47.160 I was in a previous company, and I watched how one guy led one of his guys who he held him hostage
00:06:53.580 because every month that guy under the table was giving him cash for loans and stuff like that, mortgages,
00:07:00.920 and then all of a sudden, the day it stopped, that guy lost all his licenses.
00:07:06.160 So he liked having information on his guys to hold him hostage.
00:07:10.280 But deep down inside, that relationship is a dark relationship, and you don't have the loyalty.
00:07:15.020 It's kind of like – imagine Anna Nicole Smith marries that billionaire, whoever the guy was.
00:07:20.620 Ninety-some years old.
00:07:21.340 And he was 88 years old, whatever his age was, right?
00:07:26.480 She marries this guy, old as hell, and you think all the money in the world is going to win her love over? 0.93
00:07:33.760 No.
00:07:34.220 You just win her sex over. 1.00
00:07:36.160 You don't win her love over, right?
00:07:38.320 Whoever this J. Howard Marshall was that she ends up with this guy, and next thing you know, he dies.
00:07:44.460 She's wealthy, and then she dies from overdose, right? 0.99
00:07:47.340 You can, you know, win someone's sex over, their body over love.
00:07:55.040 You can't win love with money.
00:07:57.500 That takes a lot of work to get someone's love, right?
00:08:00.900 So I think the part with Trump which made him one of a kind is, do you realize we now know about Stormy Daniels,
00:08:09.500 Karen McDougal, grab him by this. 1.00
00:08:12.560 We know all of that stuff.
00:08:14.000 And you know what people say?
00:08:15.240 No one gives a shit.
00:08:16.060 No one cares.
00:08:16.960 No one gives a shit.
00:08:17.620 Which, by the way, if you remember the moment Herman Cain, 13 years ago, whatever the timeline was,
00:08:23.540 he's in the bus.
00:08:24.780 He's not coming out because apparently him and his wife were fighting in the bus,
00:08:28.720 and they found out while he was the CEO of this pizza company, he had a lover or he had a, what do you call it,
00:08:34.660 a mistress or something like that. 0.97
00:08:36.760 Because of that, he stepped out.
00:08:38.260 While Trump would come out and say, listen, it's my personal life.
00:08:41.560 It's between me and my wife.
00:08:42.500 We're moving on.
00:08:42.980 What do you want to ask me?
00:08:44.400 So Trump was the guy that because he was so trained in New York to go up against these gangsters and tough guys
00:08:52.540 and manipulators and media, he has been trained to get to this position.
00:08:57.920 That's not everybody's job.
00:08:59.140 So I think for him, he got so much moral authority today that if you cross him, the world is going to defend him.
00:09:08.100 Not you.
00:09:08.560 Not the world.
00:09:09.280 I'm not talking mainstream media, but the people that are his supporters.
00:09:12.480 So I don't know if he needs it today.
00:09:15.320 I don't know if he needs, I think an average regular president that got up there,
00:09:20.000 the traditional go be a lawyer and go be a Congress and Senate and bullshit, bullshit.
00:09:25.920 Yeah.
00:09:26.480 That person needs a lot of that.
00:09:28.420 I think from Trump's standpoint, Trump is like, look, if you're in, you're in.
00:09:34.080 If you're not, let's go.
00:09:35.420 If you're going to roll, you're all.
00:09:36.640 But I don't give a shit about what mistakes you made.
00:09:39.100 I mean, I know what I've done.
00:09:40.180 I'm like, let's go.
00:09:41.100 I think my concern as an employer would be, I don't know if this falls into your dichotomy,
00:09:45.560 but okay, information on people.
00:09:49.120 Will the enemy, will the person allow the enemy to use that information as leverage?
00:09:55.180 And I'm the type of person where they may have something on me.
00:09:57.420 I don't care.
00:09:58.420 Publish it.
00:09:59.420 But do my employees, are they able to be strong enough or will the enemy come and say,
00:10:05.420 we have this information upon you now, betray your mission?
00:10:08.020 Well, by the way, you know what that is?
00:10:09.440 What?
00:10:10.040 That's a pure test to find out who was loyal and who wasn't.
00:10:13.060 It's an awesome situation.
00:10:14.280 It's a tier one test.
00:10:15.600 Tier one test.
00:10:16.120 Because that's a real test.
00:10:18.100 That's a real test.
00:10:19.060 Then you're like, oh.
00:10:21.020 So it wasn't.
00:10:21.700 It was because it's, you know, you're just benefiting from what you were getting.
00:10:25.100 I got it.
00:10:25.520 Cool.
00:10:25.680 It's good to know now.
00:10:26.960 I got it.
00:10:27.460 No problem.
00:10:28.240 You know, we're good to go.
00:10:28.980 You know, these moments where you're tempted to steal money, where you're tempted to do
00:10:34.200 certain things, where you're tempted to go through.
00:10:36.940 You know what things?
00:10:37.820 We're investigating somebody right now.
00:10:39.040 It's been going on for a few months.
00:10:41.080 The stuff I found out yesterday, one of these guys that we've been investigating has done.
00:10:46.320 You're investigating in your-
00:10:48.040 A former person that used to work with us.
00:10:50.300 Yeah.
00:10:51.140 Do you know what things we found?
00:10:52.700 And by the way, you have to hear what he used to say.
00:10:55.140 All the lines.
00:10:57.180 James, you're like a father figure to me.
00:11:00.020 Crying while behind closed doors.
00:11:02.420 Taking money and taking all this stuff.
00:11:05.400 But these are beautiful situations.
00:11:07.280 Because you know what happens when the investigation is over with?
00:11:09.260 We're going to publicly report it to everybody here, to our employees.
00:11:12.640 You know why?
00:11:13.620 It's the same thing we did in the insurance company.
00:11:15.840 If anybody at all sold insurance doing forgery, we told everybody.
00:11:20.260 We told everybody and said, that guy's insurance license is lost for 10 years.
00:11:23.440 He can never do insurance again.
00:11:25.180 Go ahead and test it and see what happens to you.
00:11:27.780 If somebody went out there, did any kind of stuff that was bad, we publicized it so people
00:11:31.640 wouldn't do it again.
00:11:32.940 Accountability.
00:11:33.620 It's a form of accountability and it's a form of awareness.
00:11:35.820 It's just like, you know, you ever seen the mom or the dad is trying to feed the kid and
00:11:40.060 the kid is not eating and he puts it in the dog's, the doll's mouth, and then goes to
00:11:44.480 the kid, goes this way, goes this way, and this guy's down there, bam, hits the face of
00:11:48.080 the little doll.
00:11:49.000 And then goes to the foot in the mouth.
00:11:51.400 So it's a form of don't make this effing mistake, right?
00:11:57.860 Which is what our FBI is not doing.
00:11:59.620 Which is what our FBI is not doing.
00:12:01.260 Yeah.
00:12:01.460 So that's the part where some people are not happy with us not seeing the accountability
00:12:06.000 that we were promised.
00:12:07.540 Correct.
00:12:08.100 I would say people are enraged about this.
00:12:10.600 I would say they are.
00:12:11.340 I would say the part that they're, what's the word?
00:12:15.920 Battling with?
00:12:16.440 Battling with is, look, there's so many great things that happened, but I really wanted
00:12:21.940 to know what's going on over here.
00:12:23.380 So do I compromise these two things that I really wanted to know?
00:12:25.820 Because what are you doing to these kids and innocent kids?
00:12:28.060 These are someone's daughter.
00:12:29.500 They're someone's granddaughter.
00:12:31.160 They're someone's sister.
00:12:32.340 Are we not going to find this out?
00:12:33.580 Are we just going to go hush hush to this side?
00:12:37.000 To this group that voted specifically to find out what's going on with Epstein and the
00:12:42.100 kids, they're not the type that going to forget about it.
00:12:44.980 Nope.
00:12:45.340 They're the type that's going to keep bringing it up until you either reveal or you have
00:12:50.340 to deal with it.
00:12:51.040 We're going to keep for five years in.
00:12:52.560 People are still enraged.
00:12:53.800 Yeah.
00:12:54.200 I don't think that's going to change.
00:12:55.740 Hello, everyone.
00:12:56.320 I'm James O'Keefe.
00:12:57.620 Been doing this journalism thing for about 20 years.
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