Valuetainment - October 10, 2026


“I’m Pro Capitalism” – Why Ex-Anthropic Researcher Still Wants AI Regulation

Hosted by
Patrick Bet-David
Mentioned
Mark Andreessen David Sachs Hillary Clinton Elon Musk Bernie
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Length

7 minutes

Words per minute

190.08

Word count

1,462

Sentence count

77


Transcript

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00:00:00.000 What do you say to the people that say, you know, David Sachs, some of these other folks came out, very reputable, people respect these folks.
00:00:07.000 And you saw Marc Andreessen came up and he wrote his humanity manifesto with AI and saying, hey, this is a let free market do its part.
00:00:15.880 This is a beautiful thing. He believes, you know, we can handle 50 billion people living in the world, you know, and we have bandwidth and this is going to make people more financially free.
00:00:24.640 it's not that scary. Some of those guys said this is purely used by Anthropic and OpenAI to
00:00:31.960 eliminate future competitors and own bigger market shares. And they're like, yeah, Bernie,
00:00:37.160 come help us out. Come prevent other people from competing with us. What do you say to that?
00:00:41.560 Yeah, there's a few things. One is I think I agree with Marc Andreessen and David Sachs about the
00:00:47.180 positive benefits. What I think, where I think we differ is their case. I think we get their world
00:00:53.600 if we slow down.
00:00:55.540 I think even if we slow down AI development,
00:00:58.540 the changes from next year's technology
00:01:00.560 will be so rapid and significant
00:01:03.700 that there'll be huge changes
00:01:05.600 in the way that they're thinking.
00:01:07.060 I just think they haven't fully internalized
00:01:09.520 how crazy it will get if we don't slow down.
00:01:12.880 I think their case for,
00:01:14.040 their optimistic fast case is my slow case.
00:01:17.280 And my fast case looks like we have no control over it.
00:01:20.680 We're just watching robots make themselves smarter,
00:01:22.940 So, like, every day, massively, it's completely out of our control.
00:01:26.040 It's not like 50 billion humans.
00:01:27.180 It's humans and then this massive AI economy that's happening without – we're just sitting around watching them do inscrutable things we don't understand.
00:01:35.840 And I think Marc Andreessen and David Sachs will agree with me when things get crazy because I think we want the same thing.
00:01:42.500 That's my guess.
00:01:43.680 How many people, when you worked at OpenAI Anthropic, guys that are actually doing the work, not executives at the top?
00:01:49.880 I'm talking the engineers, the mathematicians, the guys like you that are doing the work,
00:01:53.880 the researchers that are doing the work.
00:01:56.040 How many of them are in their 20s?
00:02:00.260 Probably half or a bit less than half.
00:02:03.420 Okay.
00:02:03.940 So that's a big number.
00:02:04.860 Big number.
00:02:05.340 So just fresh out of college, right?
00:02:07.880 In their 20s.
00:02:09.200 Maybe more like 30%, 30, 40%.
00:02:11.060 30%.
00:02:11.660 And is it fair to say that that audience just got out of college?
00:02:17.920 not all of them some of them and maybe they're going to lean a little bit more on the liberal
00:02:23.300 side and maybe they're going to be a little bit more afraid of climate change end of the world
00:02:27.900 professors brainwashing them and oh my god you guys be careful with these capitalists they're
00:02:32.740 going to be such technocrats and technocracy and you know oh my these trillionaires elon musk is
00:02:38.320 going to take over and do this don't you think they may have a little bit more fear anxiety
00:02:43.080 of the end of the world that's coming
00:02:45.140 because they just got out of college?
00:02:46.560 Yeah, maybe.
00:02:47.340 I can say a few things here.
00:02:48.640 Please.
00:02:49.040 One is, I think it's important that Elon Musk himself
00:02:53.180 is scared about this.
00:02:55.040 He doesn't get scared of many things, right?
00:02:56.640 He's a titan.
00:02:58.040 The guy's an absolute, he just goes for stuff.
00:03:01.240 He's been scared of AI for a long time.
00:03:03.120 He only made XAI because he saw the other companies doing it
00:03:05.800 and was like, well, I guess if we're doing this,
00:03:08.540 I have to join in because he's Elon Musk.
00:03:10.900 He's not going to let these guys,
00:03:11.800 you know he's not going to sit on the sidelines uh so it's you know big guys are scared too
00:03:16.040 and then in terms of uh junior employees i mean i can speak for myself i like i've never
00:03:21.180 you know global warming has never been a big deal for me it's like i wanted to learn math i wanted
00:03:27.700 to work on technology i'm i wanted more nuclear power i want like build out of energy infrastructure
00:03:32.460 i'm like pro you know i'm pro capitalism pro libertarian almost you're more libertarian
00:03:38.560 definitely and i think that's very important for you to qualify there because a lot of people were
00:03:41.400 putting you as a climate change guy.
00:03:42.820 It's because everyone agreed with me
00:03:43.820 was a Democrat.
00:03:44.420 I made a post.
00:03:44.980 I didn't ask these Democrats,
00:03:46.220 like Democrat politicians,
00:03:47.240 to agree with my post, right?
00:03:48.360 I didn't tell them to tweet that.
00:03:50.240 So I think I've been like
00:03:51.000 pegged as this NGO kind of dude.
00:03:53.920 Really, the one thing I'm scared about is AI.
00:03:56.100 I'm like, if we could slow down AI
00:03:57.220 and speed up everything else,
00:03:58.340 like deregulate drugs,
00:03:59.460 deregulate biology research,
00:04:01.400 deregulate like, you know,
00:04:03.280 human self-experimentation.
00:04:04.440 I think a lot of stuff,
00:04:05.160 I'm pro-libertarian.
00:04:06.620 It's just AI in particular
00:04:07.720 that's the thing that's scary.
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00:04:38.480 so so would you say most of the guys and gals your age working at open ai and
00:04:48.840 anthropic feel the same way you do there's a mix i think i'm probably more on the
00:04:53.040 like libertarian side i think some will be scared of climate change some will have been
00:04:57.820 i also thought for example the pandemic response ultimately was quite overblown like near the end
00:05:01.580 i think that like it was pretty bad but i think maybe some would disagree so there are definitely
00:05:06.460 some employees like that but it's not all of them it's not as like I think people imagine San
00:05:10.460 Francisco as being full of liberals but if you're going to accuse like me and the other kind of like
00:05:15.980 kids building the technology of anything it would be like a sort of maybe narcissism or techno
00:05:22.060 narcissism feeling like you're the center of the world but not like a generic liberal fear that's
00:05:28.040 not like the main thing that's happening yeah I'm glad you you you you addressed that and you
00:05:32.500 isolated that case because i noticed a lot of information came up that you were with uh
00:05:37.180 newspeak or you know where you were part of this organization that hillary clinton
00:05:41.540 clinton was a part of and a man named matt something and you know and it's the ngos and
00:05:46.700 you're involved in that and this is so funny it's like this is so funny because at that house
00:05:50.160 it was a house i lived at i wanted to like live in london and i met a friend who was like come
00:05:55.060 stay at this house and it was a house full of these people they hated me they hated me because
00:05:58.980 i was like they're all communists i'm like they were communists in the house and i did not get
00:06:02.680 on with them like the communists in the house it was so funny now because like i'm on this like
00:06:05.900 thing and everyone's like jacob stated this uh i wanted to do math i wanted to like live in an
00:06:11.480 interesting place with london in london uh that's why i stayed at stayed at newspeak nothing you've
00:06:16.400 never met you've never had meetings with these guys you've never met with the socialist leaders
00:06:20.960 no no clinton sanders these guys didn't communicate with you and nothing never no
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