“Israel is Just the Wedge Issue” - The Tucker Carlson vs. Ben Shapiro Ideological War
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Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson disagree on a lot of things, but one of the most important differences between the two is that Tucker doesn't believe that America is a force for good, and Ben doesn't think that it is either.
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When you look at Ben and you look at Tucker, what do you think are the main issues,
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go-to issues? Israel is one of them. What other issues, specific issues, differ between Ben and
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Tucker? Well, I don't think Israel is like in the top three. What do you think it is? Israel is the
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divisive issue. Israel is the wedge issue. Israel is the emotional issue. Of course, Ben and Tucker
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don't agree about israel and ben very uh personally as the most famous religious jew
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maybe on the planet uh objects to tucker's characterization of he may be the most
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religious jew on the most famous religious jew on the planet you put him ahead of adam sandler
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i mean that's like you know adam sandler's not an orthodox religious jew or yeah adam
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sandler is a very famous dude hard time i'm giving you a hard time with this i had to give
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a shout out to adam sandler but i love adam but by the way you ever watch the movies he does it's
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always the zohan it's the palestinian you know he always messes with people it's phenomenal the
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way he does it i suspect adam sandler has really good politics uh i do as well but he can't touch
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it i don't think he can touch it no but kippa wearing sabbath observing kosher keeping jews
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who's more famous than ben in the world uh so of course he cares i don't follow the jewish
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leader's bulletin for fame let's just say it's ben shapiro can you name another one can you name
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one other one what i'm saying is fine i'm with you so let's just say he is yeah so of course he
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cares about israel but israel isn't even like tucker's a socialist you think tucker's a
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socialist tucker says he's a socialist watch enough interviews with him and people will ask
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him and he'll say yeah yeah yeah kind of they'll ask him who do you think are the best people in
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congress and he'll say yeah but you know thomas massey but then he'll also say elizabeth warren
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and bernie sanders tucker is advancing a left-wing economic vision for the future of this country
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Tucker here's one that's here's a huge point of disagreement America Tucker doesn't believe that
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America is a force for good Tucker thinks that what's good about America is that his parents are
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buried across the street from his house he thinks that what's bad about America is literally every
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good thing America has ever done he plays around with the idea that 9-11 was an inside job he plays
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around with the idea that demons gave us the bombs that allowed us to win the second world war
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he launders the idea by way of his guess that Churchill was the chief villain of the second
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World War. That's no different than toppling, than Antifa tearing down statues of Christopher
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Columbus. It's just rhetorically tearing down the statues on which this country is built,
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the narrative on which this country is built. If every bad thing that's ever been done to us was
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an inside job, he flirts with 9-11 being an inside job, the moon landing being an inside job,
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our greatest achievements were fake, the greatest attacks against us were fake, all the things that
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we did that were good were actually bad, that's not someone who loves America as it is. The
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America that Tucker believes in is a hypothetical America. It's America that doesn't exist.
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The America that exists fought the Second World War, defeated European fascists in Germany,
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defeated imperial Japan. The country as is landed men on the moon and returned them safely to earth.
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The country, as it is, has led the economic order that has lifted a billion people out of poverty in this world.
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The country, as it is, is the country that was attacked on 9-11 by al-Qaeda and jihadist Islam out of the Middle East.
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So, you know, this sort of blood and soil, America is just the people and the government has always been evil.
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The idea that America is great, but the corporations are evil, that's not fair.
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Corporations are assembled bodies of people working toward common interest.
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So you can't make an argument that America is great except for all the things that are America,
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So yeah, I think what Ben and Tucker Carlson disagree about the most, they disagree about America the most.
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But Israel is just a tool for the dissident right to try to break the Republican Party's relationship or evangelical Christians' relationship with the Republican Party so that they can use the Republican Party to effectuate this new political order that they want, which is largely left-wing economics and largely right-wing social policy.
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As an American political issue on the right, that's all that Israel is.
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and yeah Ben disagrees with Tucker about that issue pretty profoundly I'm wondering how much
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of an impact this is going to have going forward midterms 2028 will it have any impact will it not
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have any impact you know Charlie was the guy that was a unifier everybody else they're fairly direct
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competitors like when I think about Daily Wire Tucker you know I don't know where Beck plays a
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role. Beck has got a lot of credibility. There's some
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things down. He's a very good teacher. I like him a lot.
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Crowder's got his own name, because Crowder's also
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got an audience. You've got the Knicks side, the Young,
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it's been fractured it's never in my lifetime been like this and there's never been a force
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operating at scale on the american right in my lifetime that says anti-american
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and anti-american conservatism as this dissident right-wing movement that we're dealing with right
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now if you look back to the you know john birch society days and and all of that that's before
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my time. I'm aware that it existed. Of course, I know the history of it a bit. But in my lifetime,
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it's never been like this. Is it going to bear ill fruit in the midterms? Of course. I mean,
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Nick Quintez is saying that he won't vote for Republicans in the midterms. Candace Owens is
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saying she won't vote for Republicans in the midterms. Tucker is essentially at war with the
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Trump administration now by name. He's stopped even paying lip service to the idea that he
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supports Trump. He's making some of the worst accusations about the president that anyone
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out there is making. These guys have huge audiences. Tucker has a huge audience. Candace
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has an even bigger audience. Nick has a large audience, probably not as large as people assume
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it is, and not necessarily an audience that's likely to vote in the primaries, but an ascending
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audience, an audience that every day becomes more politically powerful. So yeah, if all of them are
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working against Republican prospects in 2026, that's going to be a huge hurdle to try to
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overcome. But here's the thing about politics. Sometimes you have to lose in politics in order
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to win. Now, you only win by winning. Losing is not a good business model. Losing comes with
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enormous, very real consequences. I'm not one who would say we need to lose the midterms and we
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We need to lose the presidential so that we will root out all these bad actors on the
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