Valuetainment - “Israel is Just the Wedge Issue” - The Tucker Carlson vs. Ben Shapiro Ideological War

00:00:00.000 When you look at Ben and you look at Tucker, what do you think are the main issues,

00:00:06.720 go-to issues? Israel is one of them. What other issues, specific issues, differ between Ben and 0.58

00:00:14.180 Tucker? Well, I don't think Israel is like in the top three. What do you think it is? Israel is the

00:00:19.320 divisive issue. Israel is the wedge issue. Israel is the emotional issue. Of course, Ben and Tucker 0.57

00:00:25.600 don't agree about israel and ben very uh personally as the most famous religious jew

00:00:31.300 maybe on the planet uh objects to tucker's characterization of he may be the most

00:00:36.460 religious jew on the most famous religious jew on the planet you put him ahead of adam sandler

00:00:40.760 i mean that's like you know adam sandler's not an orthodox religious jew or yeah adam

00:00:45.500 sandler is a very famous dude hard time i'm giving you a hard time with this i had to give

00:00:49.700 a shout out to adam sandler but i love adam but by the way you ever watch the movies he does it's

00:00:53.880 always the zohan it's the palestinian you know he always messes with people it's phenomenal the

00:00:59.860 way he does it i suspect adam sandler has really good politics uh i do as well but he can't touch

00:01:05.320 it i don't think he can touch it no but kippa wearing sabbath observing kosher keeping jews

00:01:12.420 who's more famous than ben in the world uh so of course he cares i don't follow the jewish

00:01:17.360 leader's bulletin for fame let's just say it's ben shapiro can you name another one can you name

00:01:21.800 one other one what i'm saying is fine i'm with you so let's just say he is yeah so of course he

00:01:28.360 cares about israel but israel isn't even like tucker's a socialist you think tucker's a

00:01:34.480 socialist tucker says he's a socialist watch enough interviews with him and people will ask

00:01:37.480 him and he'll say yeah yeah yeah kind of they'll ask him who do you think are the best people in

00:01:41.000 congress and he'll say yeah but you know thomas massey but then he'll also say elizabeth warren

00:01:44.620 and bernie sanders tucker is advancing a left-wing economic vision for the future of this country

00:01:49.600 Tucker here's one that's here's a huge point of disagreement America Tucker doesn't believe that

00:01:55.680 America is a force for good Tucker thinks that what's good about America is that his parents are

00:02:00.020 buried across the street from his house he thinks that what's bad about America is literally every

00:02:04.400 good thing America has ever done he plays around with the idea that 9-11 was an inside job he plays

00:02:09.260 around with the idea that demons gave us the bombs that allowed us to win the second world war

00:02:13.600 he launders the idea by way of his guess that Churchill was the chief villain of the second

00:02:18.620 World War. That's no different than toppling, than Antifa tearing down statues of Christopher

00:02:22.420 Columbus. It's just rhetorically tearing down the statues on which this country is built,

00:02:27.140 the narrative on which this country is built. If every bad thing that's ever been done to us was

00:02:31.780 an inside job, he flirts with 9-11 being an inside job, the moon landing being an inside job,

00:02:36.740 our greatest achievements were fake, the greatest attacks against us were fake, all the things that

00:02:43.420 we did that were good were actually bad, that's not someone who loves America as it is. The

00:02:49.960 America that Tucker believes in is a hypothetical America. It's America that doesn't exist.

00:02:55.200 The America that exists fought the Second World War, defeated European fascists in Germany,

00:03:02.720 defeated imperial Japan. The country as is landed men on the moon and returned them safely to earth.

00:03:09.100 The country, as it is, has led the economic order that has lifted a billion people out of poverty in this world. 0.63

00:03:16.380 The country, as it is, is the country that was attacked on 9-11 by al-Qaeda and jihadist Islam out of the Middle East. 0.62

00:03:24.840 The country, that is the actual America. 0.64

00:03:28.660 So, you know, this sort of blood and soil, America is just the people and the government has always been evil.

00:03:34.840 Well, that's not fair.

00:03:35.440 It's a government of the people.

00:03:36.980 The idea that America is great, but the corporations are evil, that's not fair.

00:03:40.120 Corporations are assembled bodies of people working toward common interest.

00:03:47.380 So you can't make an argument that America is great except for all the things that are America,

00:03:51.860 which is essentially what Tucker's doing.

00:03:54.140 So yeah, I think what Ben and Tucker Carlson disagree about the most, they disagree about America the most.

00:03:59.480 And yeah, they also disagree about Israel.

00:04:01.540 But Israel is just a tool for the dissident right to try to break the Republican Party's relationship or evangelical Christians' relationship with the Republican Party so that they can use the Republican Party to effectuate this new political order that they want, which is largely left-wing economics and largely right-wing social policy. 0.69

00:04:24.740 That's all Israel is. 0.75

00:04:26.860 As an American political issue on the right, that's all that Israel is.

00:04:31.540 and yeah Ben disagrees with Tucker about that issue pretty profoundly I'm wondering how much

00:04:38.720 of an impact this is going to have going forward midterms 2028 will it have any impact will it not

00:04:46.260 have any impact you know Charlie was the guy that was a unifier everybody else they're fairly direct

00:04:51.200 competitors like when I think about Daily Wire Tucker you know I don't know where Beck plays a

00:04:57.900 role. Beck has got a lot of credibility. There's some

00:04:59.860 people that really trust the way Beck breaks

00:05:01.800 things down. He's a very good teacher. I like him a lot.

00:05:04.040 For sure. And you've got a lot of

00:05:05.480 other names out there. We don't have Prager

00:05:07.820 today. Peterson's kind of out of it today.

00:05:10.920 You know, there's

00:05:11.720 Crowder's got his own name, because Crowder's also

00:05:13.700 got an audience. You've got the Knicks side, the Young,

00:05:15.700 the streamer side,

00:05:17.600 Fuentes side that you're dealing with.

00:05:20.940 Has it always

00:05:21.720 been like this, or is this the most fractured

00:05:23.740 that's been going into 2028?

00:05:25.240 it's been fractured it's never in my lifetime been like this and there's never been a force

00:05:33.100 operating at scale on the american right in my lifetime that says anti-american

00:05:39.480 and anti-american conservatism as this dissident right-wing movement that we're dealing with right

00:05:45.740 now if you look back to the you know john birch society days and and all of that that's before

00:05:52.120 my time. I'm aware that it existed. Of course, I know the history of it a bit. But in my lifetime,

00:05:57.140 it's never been like this. Is it going to bear ill fruit in the midterms? Of course. I mean,

00:06:03.800 Nick Quintez is saying that he won't vote for Republicans in the midterms. Candace Owens is

00:06:10.100 saying she won't vote for Republicans in the midterms. Tucker is essentially at war with the

00:06:16.320 Trump administration now by name. He's stopped even paying lip service to the idea that he

00:06:21.440 supports Trump. He's making some of the worst accusations about the president that anyone

00:06:25.220 out there is making. These guys have huge audiences. Tucker has a huge audience. Candace

00:06:29.640 has an even bigger audience. Nick has a large audience, probably not as large as people assume

00:06:37.920 it is, and not necessarily an audience that's likely to vote in the primaries, but an ascending

00:06:43.720 audience, an audience that every day becomes more politically powerful. So yeah, if all of them are

00:06:50.080 working against Republican prospects in 2026, that's going to be a huge hurdle to try to

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Valuetainment - June 19, 2026

“Israel is Just the Wedge Issue” - The Tucker Carlson vs. Ben Shapiro Ideological War

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