Valuetainment - June 20, 2026


＂It's A Birthday Gift To Trump＂ – Donald Trump Cleared as NYT Finds NO EVIDENCE in Epstein Case


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The New York Times has a new piece on the death of Jeffrey Epstein and the circumstances surrounding his death. Part 2 of a two-part series on Epstein's life in prison and the events leading up to his death from suicide.

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00:00:30.000 New York Times has a story last week because of a book that's coming out called Regime Change or something like that by these two New York Times writers, which, by the way, again, a lot of people who put a lot of credibility behind these writers, you have to also know that some of the work they did back in the days, people were giving them criticism saying that these guys were also behind the Russia collusion.
00:00:52.980 So having said that, last week's story went viral, this is part two of the story of New York Times, which, by the way, if there is a publication that you would never guess would write an article that would automatically show that the president had nothing to do with Epstein, you tell me what newspaper you think would be number one on that list, Vinny.
00:01:12.800 New York Times.
00:01:14.180 Oh, yeah.
00:01:15.040 Would it be New York Post?
00:01:16.660 No.
00:01:16.980 Would it be any?
00:01:17.500 The most liberal paper out there.
00:01:18.920 New York Times would be number one.
00:01:19.620 So then this article comes out, the untold story of Jeffrey Epstein's death.
00:01:24.540 So now you go through it.
00:01:25.400 This is part two.
00:01:26.260 Part one was J.D. Vance, Tucker Carlson, the conversation, Dan Bongino.
00:01:31.020 They told him not Susie Wiles.
00:01:32.800 That's what it was.
00:01:33.440 Part two is more about what happened to Epstein.
00:01:36.000 So in this Epstein story that they're going through,
00:01:37.920 they talk about how Bannon and him are communicating.
00:01:41.180 Epstein appeared shocked.
00:01:42.360 He managed to send one last message to Bannon saying, all canceled.
00:01:46.320 Bannon wrote back immediately, you are not coming in,
00:01:49.020 question mark there was no reply the fbi agent drove epstein to manhattan he has two questions
00:01:53.720 is this sex trafficking is this about underage it was oh this is bad he said aloud when he was
00:02:00.500 getting booked for federal custody this is really bad he's whispering to himself and other fbi agents
00:02:05.580 can hear him while he's talking to himself and the story continues on one part here on page eight it
00:02:12.480 says we went to court to win access to document that had been described to as a suicide note
00:02:17.500 written by Epstein in jail before an earlier apparent attempt to take his own life,
00:02:21.800 which was hidden from public and investigators for your...
00:02:24.080 So apparently this guy tried to kill himself multiple times.
00:02:27.040 We obtained about a dozen pages of other notes, handwritten notes by Epstein in jail
00:02:31.680 that were also previously unseen, including some in which he tried and failed
00:02:36.240 to come up with significant information he might have on Donald Trump to offer to prosecutors.
00:02:41.840 And he couldn't find anything when he continues.
00:02:44.880 In addition to this, we were told by a former cellmate, Epstein had more than once previously unreported attempt to craft a noose.
00:02:53.260 Epstein's death and whose account circumstantially supported the conclusion that Epstein died by hanging himself.
00:02:59.960 Even his friends knew that were in prison with him.
00:03:02.560 And then they talk about what happened with the surveillance camera being down, the 24-hour surveillance camera,
00:03:07.720 the unit known as 10 South had held some of the most violent people ever.
00:03:12.600 We're talking El Chapo.
00:03:13.740 We're talking mafia hitmen.
00:03:14.880 We're talking terrorists tied to al-Qaeda, Bernie Madoff during his own pre-trial detention a decade earlier.
00:03:21.460 So this is not like a place that we knew about this already.
00:03:24.020 But there was multiple news.
00:03:25.980 His roommate, Tartiglione, a 51-year-old police officer, was waiting trial on federal charge of killing four men,
00:03:32.360 and one of which he killed by strangling him with a zip tie.
00:03:36.800 So he knew how to create a news.
00:03:38.000 So he had the right roommate that wanted to teach him how to do that.
00:03:41.200 He told us that Epstein returned to their cell from the court that day.
00:03:45.060 He asked abruptly, how do you make a noose?
00:03:49.080 He asks his roommate.
00:03:50.940 In the days that followed, Tartiglione said he caught Epstein preparing for suicide twice.
00:03:55.520 Once, Tartiglione said he noticed Epstein tried to tie a sheet to the gate over the cell window.
00:04:01.440 Another time he woke to Epstein standing in the dark looking a little suspicious
00:04:05.600 and discovered a noose hidden under his mattress.
00:04:08.740 That's what his roommate found.
00:04:09.840 And it continues.
00:04:10.560 This is big.
00:04:12.580 They listed, as he seeded, about the former friends who were now publicly distancing themselves from him,
00:04:17.800 like Leslie Wexner, who gave him that $77 million property,
00:04:21.320 biggest private residence in Manhattan for gift zero,
00:04:24.900 and tried to figure out whether he had any leverage to use against former associates like Bill Gates.
00:04:30.280 Once they heard him mutter, I can't do this.
00:04:32.580 Epstein was particularly preoccupied with that he might have on Donald Trump, who was then serving his first term in office, jotting on a legal pad.
00:04:43.420 He returned to the president again and again, trying to dredge up anything to offer prosecutors. 0.60
00:04:49.420 But his scribble said, Trump is a total con artist, smoke and mirror, and never had money. 0.87
00:04:53.980 That's all he could find. 0.92
00:04:54.760 Nothing to do with him.
00:04:58.680 Nothing to do with him.
00:05:00.740 Let me see what page this is.
00:05:02.580 with girls so then this continues these stories keep going and going and going I can't take jail
00:05:08.540 put me on house arrest I'm either going to hurt myself or someone else is going to hurt me
00:05:12.700 get me out of here Epstein told one of his lawyers and Tartiglione heard that then there's a couple
00:05:17.520 other guys named Reyes in prison with him Efren Reyes the guard were on eggshells around Epstein
00:05:22.980 Reyes noticed he was always making demands can you imagine Epstein was telling the guards what to get
00:05:27.500 him and then he would say if they did not comply he would make a show of writing their names down
00:05:31.800 telling them that he would talk to his lawyers.
00:05:34.020 The people were afraid of him because the lawyers...
00:05:36.460 Oh, you don't want to get me some ketchup?
00:05:37.800 Gotcha.
00:05:38.360 Epstein said to him, to this one guy named Robert Adams
00:05:40.840 that was decent to him, he says,
00:05:41.920 thank you for treating me with dignity and humanity.
00:05:44.860 This is Robert Adams who was treating him respectfully.
00:05:47.660 And then once they saw him examining a computer cable,
00:05:50.760 Epstein, noticing their attention, reassured them 0.98
00:05:52.620 that he was too much of a coward to kill himself.
00:05:55.580 Mostly, faithfully, he made an unusual request. 0.92
00:05:58.640 He told them he wanted to update his will.
00:06:01.800 And then Reyes told them, don't try to kill yourself in this cell.
00:06:05.440 I don't want to wake up and find you dead.
00:06:07.720 Anyways, you go through these stories that is out there.
00:06:10.440 One of them was nearly half of the system cameras that were there while working real time were not recording.
00:06:16.240 So no funding, no staff.
00:06:17.560 The cameras are not recording.
00:06:18.980 As a result, two of the cameras in the SHU were recording in the hours before Epstein's body was discovered.
00:06:24.180 And if you remember that one of the workers there got $5,000 deposited in his bank account a couple weeks prior to that.
00:06:31.040 The girl was a female, yeah.
00:06:31.480 Just so you know, there's no connections to it.
00:06:33.260 They found that there was zero connections between the two.
00:06:37.240 Noel activated an alarm.
00:06:38.720 Thomas heaved Epstein to the floor, administrated chest compressions.
00:06:42.240 Breathe, Epstein, breathe.
00:06:43.220 Noel recalled him shouting, and then we're going to be in so much trouble,
00:06:47.920 one of the guards said, that we're going to be in trouble.
00:06:49.680 So they knew something was going to happen here.
00:06:51.900 The effing MCC has one effing job to keep our defendants safe,
00:06:55.380 and they can't even get that right with their famous inmate.
00:07:00.320 So, anyways, that goes on. 0.97
00:07:02.280 Y'all murdered him. 0.88
00:07:03.140 Y'all murdered him while these guys are walking by the guards, all the inmates, 0.98
00:07:06.880 and saying, y'all murdered Epstein. 0.90
00:07:08.120 Y'all murdered Epstein. 0.80
00:07:09.020 So this got nastier and nastier.
00:07:10.660 And, obviously, the roommate, Reyes, didn't make it.
00:07:14.060 He died of COVID in 2020.
00:07:15.800 This was so New York Times couldn't get to him.
00:07:18.120 But the main premise of this story, and respect to New York Times,
00:07:22.960 they went right to it.
00:07:24.100 You know what it was?
00:07:24.780 the entire time, the guy, Epstein, who knows everything of who was involved and who wasn't
00:07:30.860 involved, tried to do everything in his power to destroy Trump, found nothing.
00:07:35.920 Which, you know what this New York Times article shows?
00:07:38.200 That Trump had nothing to do with Epstein.
00:07:40.040 Yep.
00:07:41.160 There is not a better article for the president than this year.
00:07:44.660 So June 14th is his birthday.
00:07:45.880 So in other words, New York Times birthday present to Donald Trump is this article here.
00:07:52.060 Yeah.
00:07:53.080 It's a love letter to Trump.
00:07:53.840 That's the gift to the president to say, hey, as much as we hate writing this, he had nothing to do with it.
00:08:02.100 All the other stories, it is what it is.
00:08:03.760 But I'll come to you, John, because you're from President Clinton, got accused of being on the island, doing all that other stuff.
00:08:08.680 How do you process this story, this article?
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00:08:41.360 Well, I think it was written by Maggie Haberman.
00:08:44.300 It was.
00:08:44.740 You're right.
00:08:45.160 It was.
00:08:45.620 She's been his, you know, nemesis for a long time.
00:08:49.180 So that's him with Russia collusion.
00:08:50.600 Starting with Russia.
00:08:51.300 And she's smart.
00:08:54.380 She's very smart.
00:08:56.100 But here's what I take from it all.
00:09:00.760 Howard Lutnick said Epstein was a blackmailer.
00:09:07.420 That's what Epstein did.
00:09:09.520 He blackmailed.
00:09:10.980 Why was Leslie Wexner paying him $77 million?
00:09:15.700 dollars what did Leslie Wexler do allegedly to pay this guy who has no expertise at all
00:09:22.920 he was trying to shake down Bill Gates I mean this guy was a blackmailer that's how he got rich he 0.97
00:09:29.940 got shit on people got the film if you're facing what he's facing and you're a blackmailer and 0.99
00:09:39.160 your one get-out-of-jail card is Donald Trump, you're getting out of jail. 1.00
00:09:47.060 You're going to go ahead and say it if you have it.
00:09:49.880 I mean, the people in the mafia flip, and they're like, you know, that's a rare thing.
00:09:55.040 But he didn't flip.
00:09:56.900 And I think he didn't flip because he didn't have the goods.
00:10:01.580 Now, what do I believe?
00:10:03.420 I believe that Trump's got friends that are tied into all of this.
00:10:11.180 I mean, if Bill Gates is being, you know, shook down, who else can be shook down?
00:10:16.680 And the thing about Trump is this.
00:10:18.740 Trump demands loyalty.
00:10:20.420 I mean, if you're not 100%, you're 0%.
00:10:22.840 But he also returns that loyalty.
00:10:26.880 And so I think that there are people that he knows that are in those files, and he don't want to hurt them.
00:10:36.560 But it got away from them.
00:10:38.020 The whole narrative just got away from them.
00:10:40.920 Vinny, for us, we cover this a lot, right?
00:10:43.700 There was a little bit of skepticism with everybody at this table with Epstein when the story was coming out.
00:10:49.000 How do you, as somebody that followed this very close, you watch all the documentaries, you watch everything, how are you processing this story here?
00:10:56.060 I think it's, which we've known, it's vindication that as much as everybody on the left,
00:11:02.280 and even some people on the right, and we know who they are, they were like,
00:11:05.100 no, he was with underage girls, and it's all been nonsense.
00:11:10.800 And I saw them on the view pad with J.D. Vance, and they're like, no, what's her name?
00:11:14.400 Mavaro was like, no, he was best friends with Epstein.
00:11:17.640 No, no, Donald Trump is a billionaire in New York, hanging out with everybody,
00:11:22.280 knew everybody, literally everybody hung out.
00:11:25.040 The moment he found out that this guy was a creep, what did he do?
00:11:28.280 He excommunicated him, and he got him out of his, was it Mar-a-Lago?
00:11:32.780 Was he?
00:11:33.140 Yes, Mar-a-Lago.
00:11:33.900 He kicked him out, okay?
00:11:35.540 My problem is.
00:11:36.660 I'm not mistaken, 08-ish.
00:11:38.120 I don't know the exact time.
00:11:39.320 Can you pull up when?
00:11:40.580 When they were trying to recruit girls.
00:11:42.700 It was before 09.
00:11:44.320 He went to jail in 09.
00:11:45.520 So 08 is what it was.
00:11:46.740 So 08.
00:11:47.400 The one thing that bothers me, and John, that's one big thing that I have a problem with.
00:11:51.420 I don't think the president was doing anything with underage girls or any of that nonsense.
00:11:56.180 What bothers me is, is the friendship part, because I have a my biggest problem is as a Christian, anything that has to do with children, to me, is off limits.
00:12:06.260 I don't care who you're trying to protect. I don't care what the hell.
00:12:09.800 And Adam, we've had this talk before about you want the whole system to fall down if there's children.
00:12:15.040 Yes, because I don't think God is sitting there going, yeah, they need to negotiate. 0.97
00:12:19.500 Yeah, that girl was raped. 0.98
00:12:20.580 Yeah, that little kid was probably raped and then murdered 0.98
00:12:22.540 because they don't want any witnesses.
00:12:24.480 I have a big problem with that part of it.
00:12:27.100 And to add to it, when you have a Pam Bondi who came in after Alex Acosta
00:12:31.040 as attorney general in Florida, she becomes the main person,
00:12:34.660 the number one law enforcement officer in the country.
00:12:36.720 That's not by accident. 1.00
00:12:37.780 And she ruined the whole thing. 0.98
00:12:39.800 She bungled this whole Epstein thing on purpose. 1.00
00:12:43.000 When you had those freaking influencers coming out, like, yeah, we did it.
00:12:46.580 I don't think on purpose.
00:12:48.640 No, no, I don't think so either.
00:12:50.020 She didn't do it on purpose. 1.00
00:12:51.620 She didn't do anything on purpose.
00:12:52.820 I don't know.
00:12:53.300 John has a relationship with Bondi.
00:12:54.880 One of John's lawyers was a lawyer that she was in love with back in the days.
00:12:59.360 I think you kind of talked about that last time.
00:13:00.700 Yeah, and he named her the Paminator when we'd always go out drinking with the Paminator.
00:13:05.980 So here's my question, though.
00:13:07.000 And then she's caught on a camera in a restaurant saying,
00:13:10.580 we have tens of thousands of videos of these underage kids, Epstein and the whole crew.
00:13:16.140 And my thing is, why would the government, and I'll put this on Trump, I put this on all these people that work in the government, why are you covering up, why are you editing 30-second videos, why are you doing it?
00:13:26.660 I know Trump didn't run on the Epstein files, but now that we're here, the lie to us is, hey, we can't release this because of the victims.
00:13:34.900 No, no, no, you can redact, because they love redacting.
00:13:37.720 Take the names of these girls or these young boys, whoever they were doing, out.
00:13:41.500 And I want to know the Wesley, the Wexner, all the Bill Gates.
00:13:45.240 Give us the names of these people so justice can be done.
00:13:48.840 Okay?
00:13:49.440 Period.
00:13:50.120 That's it.
00:13:50.840 I want justice to be done because these kids. 1.00
00:13:53.100 But you like how Blanche is handling things versus how Bondi was doing. 1.00
00:13:56.980 Oh, yeah.
00:13:57.820 But Bondi is saying now that Blanche was handling it all along.
00:14:01.880 If you read her testimony, when she was brought in to testify a few weeks ago,
00:14:06.840 she said, look, Blanche was handling Epstein, not me.
00:14:11.500 John, it sounds like you're defending her a little bit.
00:14:14.300 I'm not defending her.
00:14:15.240 I'm stating the facts.
00:14:16.320 She is saying that she did not handle the Epstein matter.
00:14:22.820 True.
00:14:23.940 Did you read the first New York Times story that's about Bondi or no?
00:14:27.420 Yes.
00:14:27.780 Okay.
00:14:28.040 So the first one puts a lot of the onus on Bondi and a lot of the friction
00:14:32.900 where Bongino said, if you don't fire her, I'm out of here.
00:14:35.960 And he left and they had to kind of $100,000.
00:14:38.280 They were screaming at each other.
00:14:39.140 Right.
00:14:39.380 They were screaming at each other.
00:14:40.280 So, a part of it is Bondi's the one that came out and said,
00:14:43.920 there's a lot of bad things on those tapes.
00:14:45.380 There's a lot of bad things on this.
00:14:47.220 She kind of said a little bit too much. 0.98
00:14:49.460 And then Susie Wiles got pissed off about that.
00:14:51.920 Right.
00:14:52.060 I mean, you remember that?
00:14:52.980 Right.
00:14:53.240 I do.
00:14:53.800 I do.
00:14:54.660 So, you know, who knows what happened here?
00:14:57.900 Of course, Pam was not ready for prime time on this issue.
00:15:02.480 I mean, just was not ready.
00:15:04.840 I don't think there's anything malicious, I'll say that, in defense of her.
00:15:08.800 but I don't think she was ready for this moment.
00:15:13.440 But it almost feels, though, does it almost feel like out of all people,
00:15:16.980 nobody here, did anybody ever hear of Pam Bondi before she became?
00:15:20.340 Yes, Pam Bondi is very powerful in Florida. 0.87
00:15:23.140 And Pam Bondi very well known. 1.00
00:15:25.060 And by the way, and she also had the Trump stakes
00:15:32.020 or the Trump college case and she dismissed that
00:15:35.540 and he paid a very small fine.
00:15:37.980 So they made friends early on, and she was very loyal to him.
00:15:43.920 But loyal, but to become the number one law enforcement officer in the United States,
00:15:48.160 and it was very clear.
00:15:49.560 Only after Matt Gaetz.
00:15:51.120 Yeah.
00:15:51.900 Don't forget him.
00:15:53.100 He thought he was going to be the attorney general.
00:15:55.540 I have a different opinion, as most people.
00:15:58.220 I'll sum up my viewpoint as quick as possible.
00:16:01.920 You know the story regarding Epstein?
00:16:04.160 You know when someone catches a fish, and the fish was this big?
00:16:07.980 And then every time you tell the story, no, the fish was this big.
00:16:10.700 No, the fish was this big.
00:16:12.060 It was the biggest fish I've ever seen.
00:16:14.220 That's what I think happened on the Epstein story.
00:16:16.540 And the fish got bigger and bigger and bigger, and then he died.
00:16:21.220 And then the fish became the biggest fish we've ever seen in the history of the world. 0.88
00:16:25.480 And Jeffrey Epstein was the devil.
00:16:27.580 Here's what I think. 0.98
00:16:29.500 Jeffrey Epstein was a world-class creep and blackmailer.
00:16:34.460 I don't know what he was doing. 0.88
00:16:35.720 I don't know who he was working for.
00:16:36.760 neither do you but the story got bigger and bigger and bigger and then a movie came out
00:16:42.760 and then a docuseries came out and everyone had their opinion on this and entitled to do so
00:16:48.260 because the the the the weird sex underage thing on the island total creep here's the part that
00:16:55.700 people don't really want to talk about though if you really want to be honest
00:16:59.580 in any high level of society i'm talking the who's who what's what's who are the people that
00:17:07.540 make that society it's men and no matter who you are in life the richest most powerful elite men
00:17:14.060 do you know what they actually like at the end of the day hanging out have a good time with their
00:17:18.560 buddies and having beautiful women around and jeffrey epstein knew this and he knew if i can
00:17:25.360 bring a lot of women around to all these rich elite men who let's face it bill gates a lot of 1.00
00:17:32.560 weird creeps that are not good around women presidents of countries prime ministers that 0.58
00:17:37.940 can't be seen in public they go to this island it's a safe space i think these most of these 1.00
00:17:43.200 people just liked having a good time and pretty women what epstein liked was underage girls and
00:17:50.440 i know there's a lot of weird stories but for the most part they were 16 year old girls and 200
00:17:55.960 massages and it's weird and it's creepy and whatever he gets he deserved allegedly he was
00:18:02.420 studying how to commit suicide because he knew he was a creep bottom line is this i live in miami
00:18:07.700 i've been in the hospitality nightlife world my whole life do you know how many 19 year old girls
00:18:12.180 apply for jobs at clubs and the club owner has to go yeah i mean i can't have you serving alcohol
00:18:18.780 you're not 21 oh no i'll be 21 soon how many women who are 18 19 20 that try to get into 0.85
00:18:27.180 21 plus clubs the reality is we don't want to address the fact that women in many capacities
00:18:32.780 are a currency and i don't believe in treating women that way hear me out yeah epstein did that
00:18:38.800 to women and some women volunteered to be you know part of the show so the it's a double-edged sword
00:18:46.420 He was a total creep, but he wasn't the devil.
00:18:48.760 And men like women. 0.94
00:18:50.340 That's it.
00:18:50.640 But who was not the devil?
00:18:52.460 Jeffrey Epstein. 0.97
00:18:53.280 He was the devil. 0.58
00:18:54.420 But like the literal devil? 0.99
00:18:55.860 Well, he was a devil.
00:18:57.480 He was a demon, but not a devil.
00:19:01.180 You ever seen the interview?
00:19:02.260 And by the way.
00:19:03.300 You ever seen the interview?
00:19:04.060 When they asked him, are you the devil?
00:19:05.820 Have you seen the reaction?
00:19:06.980 Yeah, of course.
00:19:07.620 Bannon asked him the question.
00:19:08.600 Yes.
00:19:09.520 Have you ever seen anybody react that way to a question that's simple?
00:19:13.880 You know what it reminded me of?
00:19:15.400 Yeah.
00:19:15.540 You ever seen a movie Fallen?
00:19:17.960 Yes.
00:19:18.280 Fallen with Denzel Washington.
00:19:20.080 Time is on my side.
00:19:22.740 Yeah.
00:19:23.040 And he goes like this, and he's just moving, and he's talking to him, the spirit.
00:19:27.740 This is it.
00:19:28.900 I just want you to see the body language when he's asked, are you the devil? 0.94
00:19:32.240 Yeah. 0.61
00:19:32.720 Watch this.
00:19:33.300 Go ahead.
00:19:34.340 In my case, is your money dirty money?
00:19:37.720 If you live it.
00:19:38.620 Yes, it is.
00:19:39.620 Is your money dirty money?
00:19:40.700 No, it's not.
00:19:42.340 Of course it is.
00:19:43.340 Why is it not dirty money?
00:19:44.560 because I earned it.
00:19:47.380 How?
00:19:47.980 But you earned it.
00:19:49.580 I earned it legally.
00:19:50.840 We went back to this before.
00:19:51.760 You earned it advising the worst people in the world, right,
00:19:58.420 that do enormous bad things.
00:20:00.760 Is that Steve Bannon?
00:20:01.520 Just to make more money.
00:20:03.440 So instead of asking me the question, should you take the money?
00:20:07.960 Because I think it's a legitimate question.
00:20:09.760 You think it's a legitimate question?
00:20:10.760 Yes, no question.
00:20:11.520 because I think about
00:20:13.940 ethics is always a complicated
00:20:16.480 subject, but I can tell you that
00:20:18.360 with the money I gave
00:20:20.080 to help try to eradicate polio
00:20:22.580 in
00:20:24.040 Pakistan and India
00:20:25.480 instead of asking me
00:20:27.460 if that money was polio
00:20:29.920 if we told him
00:20:32.340 that the worst
00:20:33.380 he gets up
00:20:34.360 do you ask money for my children?
00:20:37.160 the devil himself said
00:20:39.360 I think if you told him the devil himself said,
00:20:44.560 I'm going to exchange some dollars for your child's life.
00:20:47.840 Do you think you're the devil himself?
00:20:51.120 No, but I do have a good mirror.
00:20:54.260 It's a serious question.
00:20:55.700 Do you think you're the devil himself?
00:20:58.300 I don't know.
00:20:58.720 Why would you say that?
00:21:00.380 He starts itching.
00:21:01.420 And then he finishes the meeting right afterwards.
00:21:03.760 So how do you interpret that?
00:21:04.940 How do you interpret that?
00:21:06.980 Have you ever seen somebody answer a question like that?
00:21:09.360 Oh, I think he knows that he's done a lot of that.
00:21:11.660 Do you know what George Soros said in an L.A. Times interview in 2004?
00:21:15.860 I think it's the 2004 article.
00:21:17.580 It could have been in 98.
00:21:19.280 Can you type in George Soros, L.A. Times, godlike, okay,
00:21:24.600 where he says, I fancy myself as a god.
00:21:30.180 And he says, and I used to think of that,
00:21:32.920 but now I actually understand what it is to be like that.
00:21:36.060 Who answers a question like that?
00:21:38.260 These are very weird people that answer.
00:21:39.680 People with God complexes.
00:21:40.680 What year is this article, by the way?
00:21:42.340 What year is this article that was written?
00:21:44.360 The God Who Carries.
00:21:45.660 2004.
00:21:46.280 2004.
00:21:46.520 2004 article.
00:21:47.380 So you just got to know, there are some people like this that are comfortable.
00:21:52.840 John Lennon said he was bigger than Jesus Christ.
00:21:55.860 He might have been.
00:21:56.900 And can I just say one thing?
00:21:58.440 At the top.
00:21:58.980 And Adam, this has been.
00:22:00.820 But are we literally arguing that he is the devil?
00:22:03.480 No, you're arguing he's the devil.
00:22:04.880 Remember, devil-like. 0.87
00:22:06.340 Devil-like.
00:22:06.940 Like, Adam, Vinny said something about demons, these demons.
00:22:09.500 I said, these are not demons. 0.75
00:22:11.320 But let me tell you, if he called Epstein a demon, I would agree with him.
00:22:15.580 There's zero hesitation.
00:22:17.220 Whatever label we want to put on really, really, really bad people.
00:22:21.160 What I think people would be very surprised about are the number of real-life pedophiles in this world.
00:22:28.760 They're just programmed that way.
00:22:30.260 People go to fish in Costa Rica, and they're fishing for something else.
00:22:38.640 People go to Asia, to Thailand, Bangkok, Vietnam to do what?
00:22:47.520 There is so much of that out there, Argentina to bird hunt.
00:22:52.040 No. 0.96
00:22:52.800 It is way bigger, the appetite for younger people
00:22:59.060 than you could ever imagine in this world. 1.00
00:23:02.800 I mean, there are just a lot of sick fucks. 1.00
00:23:04.620 Yeah, we saw the sound of freedom. 1.00
00:23:06.400 We get it.
00:23:07.080 I mean, I fully agree with you.
00:23:08.360 And the rich people, they have the ways to go.
00:23:13.080 That's what it is.
00:23:13.920 It's the rich people that have the means to make it not happen.
00:23:16.760 Adam, I love you to death.
00:23:18.060 But it's not just the rich people.
00:23:19.660 No, it's not just the rich, but they have the easiest way to go with anything.
00:23:25.060 Going to go bird hunting in Costa Rica.
00:23:28.220 I asked one guy, one time I said a guy, he was down there,
00:23:31.740 they were raising a lot of hell, and you know what he said?
00:23:34.480 I said, what do you show your wife?
00:23:38.080 Do you show her picker?
00:23:38.980 She said, yeah, we show ourselves out fishing.
00:23:41.940 What we do is the first day there,
00:23:44.220 we take about five pictures with different shirts on the boat.
00:23:47.160 So this is day one, this is day two, this is day three,
00:23:50.340 and then they go fishing for real.
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00:23:54.800 making sure my car doesn't get stolen.
00:23:57.360 It means building new jails to keep criminals behind bars.
00:24:00.840 And it means there's no need to worry when I play at the park.
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00:24:15.760 Paid for by the government of Ontario.
00:24:21.600 And this is the thing, Adam, and I love you to death.
00:24:24.300 Since the beginning of this, you've downplayed this to just Epstein was a creep.
00:24:29.700 And that's it.
00:24:30.680 Like, he was just a creep.
00:24:31.720 He did a creepy thing.
00:24:32.800 You couldn't be more wrong.
00:24:34.240 I don't think I downplayed him.
00:24:34.900 No, no, no.
00:24:35.260 Yes, you have.
00:24:35.920 Yes, let me finish. 0.91
00:24:36.520 I'll let you talk for freaking five minutes.
00:24:38.500 You've downplayed Jeffrey Epstein's situation from day one because it's like a whatever story.
00:24:43.900 and you said, people are going to forget about it.
00:24:46.140 It's not just a creep like he's on to catch a predator and they caught him.
00:24:49.620 And this is a freaking, Adam, the web that he created and who he worked for.
00:24:54.860 When Alex Acasso said, when they tried to try him, he worked for intelligence. 0.88
00:24:59.000 Could be CIA, MI6, Mossad, probably all together, Adam.
00:25:02.680 You don't invite people to this island, all these rich, powerful people.
00:25:06.160 You don't put cameras in every crevice to get all of them so you have dirt on them.
00:25:10.440 And what bothers me, Adam, when it's people like leaders or billionaires like Bill Gates or Ehud Barak, where these people are shaping the world with their decisions and you have dirt on them, you change the future of the world.
00:25:24.000 And it's not just, okay, he was a creep and he was hooking up.
00:25:26.600 He was taking advantage of these girls.
00:25:28.340 He had Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father worked for freaking, who was a huge Mossad agent.
00:25:32.340 All these MI6, all this CIA, everybody working together to have dirt on people.
00:25:36.900 I think it was a monumental, it was mountains bigger than just a creep 0.81
00:25:42.100 that just liked to hook up with underage girls.
00:25:44.420 I don't like the downplaying of it because it's so big, Adam,
00:25:47.520 this is the JFK moment of our situation.
00:25:49.960 We're not going to know anything for years because these powerful people
00:25:52.900 that Mr. Morgan was talking about are so powerful, Adam, 0.80
00:25:56.480 that everything would fail because these disgusting demons that I call them
00:26:01.180 and Packet Cosign, these people are okay with, Adam, 0.99
00:26:04.380 hooking up with underage girls 1.00
00:26:06.600 and having sex with them. 1.00
00:26:07.820 And Adam, Tom, which Bible verse is it? 0.99
00:26:11.940 Hold on.
00:26:12.320 Matthew 18, verse 6.
00:26:14.460 Adam, and this is where Vincent O'Shanna,
00:26:16.800 and I know me and Pat have this conversation.
00:26:19.180 I pray for these people.
00:26:20.640 I pray for their souls, Adam,
00:26:21.920 because guess what?
00:26:23.180 Hell is hot.
00:26:24.280 And unless they come
00:26:25.300 and have that Christ moment in their heart,
00:26:27.540 Adam, that's another conversation we get into.
00:26:29.400 In their heart, it is over for them.
00:26:31.520 I want to do one more story before we wrap up.
00:26:33.320 Because justice is not going to be happening here, but it will in the afternoon.
00:26:36.280 One more story before we wrap up.
00:26:37.600 I'll just respond real quick.
00:26:38.960 Adam, if it's more than 10 seconds, I will cut you off.
00:26:41.540 There's people that downplay Epstein, but there's people that upplay Epstein.
00:26:45.960 And a lot of people have a simplistic version of life that say, 0.99
00:26:51.060 Epstein, Jewish, Gaza, genocide, kill the Jews. 0.99
00:26:54.160 No, no, no. 1.00
00:26:54.480 There's a lot of people.
00:26:55.560 Okay.
00:26:55.980 So as much as you want to say people are downplaying it,
00:26:58.720 people want to upplay Epstein as if he's the devil.
00:27:01.100 Listen, you said this is not even a top-20 issue for you.
00:27:04.060 This is not a top-10 issue for you.
00:27:05.460 You've said that before in the podcast.
00:27:07.240 Very simple.
00:27:08.120 I agree.
00:27:08.480 Okay, great.
00:27:09.160 Yeah, but that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on it.
00:27:10.960 No, no, of course.
00:27:11.540 But now it is a big issue that New York Times writes about it a couple times.
00:27:15.720 And the president has vindicated, but it doesn't mean some people that were on the list,
00:27:20.400 like this, they'd end up looking good for Lutnick, a couple other people, and Pam Bondi.
00:27:23.580 It looks great for Trump, though, right?
00:27:25.100 It looks very good for him.
00:27:25.780 Why did Lutnick say he was never on the island?
00:27:29.440 Why would he have said that?
00:27:30.580 That's a mistake.
00:27:31.500 I mean, but that's a big mistake.
00:27:33.180 It's a big mistake.
00:27:34.320 It's always the lie.
00:27:35.620 It's a big mistake.
00:27:36.420 All you have to say is you were.
00:27:37.780 Here's what happened.
00:27:38.440 Right.
00:27:38.880 Yeah, yeah.
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