Valuetainment - September 09, 2020


Jefferson Descendant Loses His Mind- Calls Pat a “f＊ckin assh＊le＂

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Lucius Truscottcottcott, a Jefferson descendant, joins Patrick Biddy on Valuetainment to discuss his opinion that the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, D.C. should be replaced with a statue of Harriet Tubman.

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00:00:00.000 I'm Patrick Biddy, host of Valuetainment.
00:00:24.060 Look, I've done a lot of different podcasts.
00:00:25.620 I've interviewed a lot of people. 0.99
00:00:26.940 I've never in my career have been called an effing asshole. 0.99
00:00:31.600 But my guest today, Lucius Truscott, who is a Jefferson descendant, called me that at 0.99
00:00:37.080 the end of the interview.
00:00:38.300 And I have a feeling when you listen to this, you're going to have some opinions about it.
00:00:42.480 And I want to hear your thoughts once you finish listening to this interview.
00:00:45.740 Lucius Truscott, thank you so much for being a guest on Valuetainment.
00:00:48.200 Thanks for having me.
00:00:49.820 So opening question, very simple.
00:00:52.020 That paper, that article you wrote on New York Times, you explained your position.
00:00:56.660 You explained where you're at.
00:00:57.940 You explained where, you know, why you think this ought to be taking place.
00:01:01.400 But maybe for the audience that hasn't written the article, why do you think Jefferson's memorial
00:01:06.260 must be taken down and replaced by Harriet Tubman? 1.00
00:01:09.520 Well, I didn't say it must be taken down.
00:01:11.980 I made a suggestion that it might be time that we considered taking down Jefferson's memorial
00:01:23.460 because of everything that's going on in the country today.
00:01:27.740 I think a lot of things are being re-examined right now.
00:01:34.420 You know, the Pentagon just recently banned the use of the Confederate flag.
00:01:42.120 States around the country, including in the South, are taking down monuments to Confederate
00:01:49.220 generals and that sort of thing.
00:01:51.820 And I think it's time that we had a look at some of the worship that's been given to some
00:02:00.100 of our founding fathers, one of whom is Thomas Jefferson.
00:02:04.940 In my article, what I said was I think that Jefferson's home, that's Monticello, is a much
00:02:12.440 better memorial to him than the statue that stands in Washington, D.C.
00:02:19.900 Because his home at Monticello, nowadays, anyway, tells the whole story of Jefferson,
00:02:28.560 Jefferson the whole man, including his flaws and some of the aspects of him that were just
00:02:38.800 straight ahead immoral, including the fact that he owned over 600 slaves during his lifetime.
00:02:47.120 But if you visit Monticello today, you'll learn about that history of slavery.
00:02:52.120 You'll learn about slave life at Monticello.
00:02:55.280 You'll learn that Jefferson fathered six children with his slave Sally Hemings.
00:03:02.040 And you'll learn that slaves built Monticello.
00:03:06.340 They built the house, they built the outbuildings, they worked the land, they made Monticello possible.
00:03:13.840 When you go to the Jefferson Memorial of Martian at D.C., on the other hand, what you see is
00:03:19.880 this grand 19-foot-tall statue of Jefferson and inscriptions on the walls that celebrate
00:03:31.720 some of his great writings and great sayings.
00:03:36.940 But the problem with that is, Jefferson may have written the words,
00:03:41.220 all men are created equal, but he really didn't do very much in his life to make that happen.
00:03:48.880 And so I suggested that it might be time to take down the monument to Jefferson and replace it.
00:03:59.320 And I thought, well, who can you replace Thomas Jefferson with?
00:04:03.860 And then I thought, well, maybe we ought to, instead of worshipping the so-called founding fathers
00:04:10.240 that I've been hearing about for 50 years of my life, maybe it's time to honor some of America's founding mothers.
00:04:19.820 And one of them is Harriet Tubman.
00:04:22.780 Harriet Tubman was a slave who escaped slavery, helped to set up the Underground Railroad to help escape slaves,
00:04:31.440 get out of slavery.
00:04:33.240 And then during the Civil War, fought on the side of the Union as an armed scout against the Confederate Army.
00:04:41.760 And then after the Civil War, she worked for the rights of freed slaves.
00:04:49.160 You know, in this way, I think that Harriet Tubman really contributed to the founding of the country after slavery, after 1865.
00:05:00.460 You know, the United States wasn't just founded when Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence in the 18th century.
00:05:13.080 It's been going through a founding over 200 years.
00:05:17.460 And I think it's time that we started celebrating some of the people that have helped found and helped form a more perfect union like Harriet Tubman has.
00:05:31.620 This week, we just had the death of another founder, John Lewis, who worked so hard for civil rights in the 1960s
00:05:44.020 and, of course, marched across the Edmund Pettus Bridge with all the people that marched that day
00:05:49.700 and spent his entire life working for civil rights in the South.
00:05:58.620 And these are, these, Harriet Tubman and John Lewis are great, great people, great Americans.
00:06:04.780 And I think it's time to honor people like them.
00:06:08.060 So it's a tragedy what happened with John Lewis.
00:06:10.780 Obviously, he's, I think I can say, admired, adored, respected by many.
00:06:15.820 He's got a lot of love going on.
00:06:17.380 And with Harriet Tubman, I don't think anybody would dispute the fact that to put up a statue.
00:06:22.440 But to read what you said in the article, you said, that's why we don't need the Jefferson Memorial to celebrate him.
00:06:27.160 He should not be honored with a bronze statue, 19 feet tall, surrounded by a colonial of white marble.
00:06:32.120 The time to honor the slave-owning founders of our imperfect union is past. 1.00
00:06:35.440 The ground, which should have moved long past, has at last shifted beneath us.
00:06:40.100 And it's time to honor one of our founding mothers, a woman who fought as an escaped slave to free,
00:06:44.680 those still enslaved who fought as an armed scout of the Union Army against the Confederacy,
00:06:50.640 a woman who helped to bring into being a more perfect union after a slavery process that continues to this day.
00:06:56.820 In Jefferson's place, there should be another statue.
00:06:59.980 It should be Harriet Tubman. 0.98
00:07:01.140 Okay, so that's in the article.
00:07:02.220 Fine.
00:07:02.440 That makes sense.
00:07:03.340 Well, my question for you would be, why replace it?
00:07:06.760 Why not just put it in a different place and leave Jefferson Memorial where it's at?
00:07:11.040 Well, I think that I said in the article, I mean, if you've got the article there in front of you, then you've read it.
00:07:17.540 And I just gave you a reason that we should do that.
00:07:20.620 Assume the viewers haven't seen it.
00:07:21.680 Assume the viewers haven't seen it.
00:07:23.040 So your suggestion isn't that, you know, you're saying the Jefferson statue, you know, at his 5,000 acres of plantation is plenty.
00:07:34.780 If you really want to find out his history, go there.
00:07:37.040 There is no need to have a 19 foot statue.
00:07:39.180 Let's tear down one down and replace with Harriet Tubman. 1.00
00:07:41.060 What I'm asking is, why don't we keep that one since it's part of history and let's just put another statue of Harriet Tubman?
00:07:48.420 Well, you could do that.
00:07:49.960 But I think it's time to honor other people in the same way that we honored Thomas Jefferson.
00:07:57.760 And the way to honor someone in the same way you honored Thomas Jefferson is, put a statue where his statue was.
00:08:05.660 Well, so tear him down and put her up. 1.00
00:08:09.200 Well, you keep using the words tear them down.
00:08:13.220 I never use those words in my article.
00:08:15.680 Look down at my article.
00:08:17.140 You've got it in front of you there.
00:08:20.320 Look down at my article and see if you see the words tear them down.
00:08:23.980 What way would you bring it down?
00:08:25.880 So what's the proper word to use?
00:08:27.940 Well, you can move Jefferson's statue.
00:08:32.140 Move Jefferson's statue to Monticello.
00:08:35.220 I don't care what they do.
00:08:36.480 I got it.
00:08:37.100 Okay, that makes sense.
00:08:37.960 As a matter of fact.
00:08:39.540 So what you're saying is...
00:08:40.340 But don't put words in my mouth.
00:08:41.960 Don't say, don't tell these listeners that I said tear down Thomas Jefferson.
00:08:47.680 I never said you said tear it down.
00:08:48.880 I just said why would we want to tear it down?
00:08:50.800 Why not keep it where it's out and let's put Harriet Tubman somewhere else? 1.00
00:08:54.280 You know, you're saying it again, aren't you?
00:09:00.140 You're saying, why wouldn't you want to tear it down?
00:09:03.420 I didn't say that.
00:09:05.380 Don't put words in my mouth.
00:09:07.400 Let me give the most technically accurate statement here.
00:09:10.860 Why physically move it from the place the current statue is at to another place and put Harriet Tubman in the same exact real estate that Thomas Jefferson is currently in?
00:09:21.160 Because I said that it's time that we honored some people other than these so-called founding fathers of ours.
00:09:28.800 And I think it's time that we honored a founding mother.
00:09:33.420 Lucian, let me ask you, what country would you say is the greatest country in the world?
00:09:38.540 Are you serious?
00:09:39.840 Are you going to sit here and ask me...
00:09:41.960 I am.
00:09:42.800 ...questions like this?
00:09:44.120 I am.
00:09:44.800 What do you think is the greatest country in the world?
00:09:49.820 I mean, I lived in Iran 10 years.
00:09:52.420 I lived there when Khomeini was there and couldn't wait to leave Iran and went to Germany, lived at a refugee camp.
00:09:59.280 And after living at Germany in a refugee camp for two years, came to the States, it was a dream to come to America.
00:10:04.780 I came here, served at the 101st Airborne Division Aerosol proudly because I love this country and it changed my life.
00:10:10.660 And I'm asking you, what do you think is the greatest country in the world?
00:10:13.560 Oh, I think the United States of America is the greatest country in the world.
00:10:18.360 Why do you think it is?
00:10:20.140 Why do I think it is?
00:10:21.640 Why do you think...
00:10:22.180 I explained mine.
00:10:23.320 Why do you think it is?
00:10:28.700 Why do I think the United States is the greatest country in the world?
00:10:32.500 Yes.
00:10:33.540 What kind of questions are these you're asking me?
00:10:36.040 Lucian, you asked me why I think...
00:10:42.600 I didn't ask you why you think anything.
00:10:46.540 I asked you what you thought the greatest country in the world was.
00:10:51.260 What do you think?
00:10:52.100 The United States.
00:10:53.540 I didn't ask you why.
00:10:55.320 What do you think?
00:10:56.420 I don't care why you think the United States is the greatest country.
00:11:00.780 I do.
00:11:01.440 I'm asking you why.
00:11:02.360 Because I say it is.
00:11:05.560 That's why.
00:11:06.980 Based on what premise?
00:11:08.720 Based on the premise that I say it's the greatest country in the world.
00:11:12.520 Do you think the Declaration of Independence has something to do with it?
00:11:15.460 What?
00:11:16.200 Do you think the Declaration of Independence has something to do with it?
00:11:21.620 Yeah, I think the Declaration of Independence has something to do with it.
00:11:27.420 Who wrote it?
00:11:29.300 Huh?
00:11:30.040 Who wrote it?
00:11:30.840 Hey, you know what?
00:11:31.760 I'm not going to sit here and go through this pity-pat, nitpicky little...
00:11:37.380 The challenge is...
00:11:39.000 This pity-pat, little nitpicky line of questioning you're giving me.
00:11:44.880 I know who wrote the Declaration of Independence.
00:11:47.740 My sixth great-grandfather wrote it.
00:11:49.360 Why undermine him?
00:11:51.240 I'm not undermining Thomas Jefferson.
00:11:54.000 Removing his status...
00:11:55.040 Do you think it undermines...
00:11:56.380 You know, I got criticized a lot when I took my Sally Hemings cousins to Monticello because
00:12:02.580 people said that I was undermining Thomas Jefferson by showing that Thomas Jefferson fathered children
00:12:10.100 with a slave.
00:12:11.300 I don't think it undermines Thomas Jefferson.
00:12:13.640 I don't think it is.
00:12:14.960 Okay.
00:12:15.300 Then I don't think what I'm suggesting undermines Thomas Jefferson either.
00:12:20.640 There's a big difference between bringing people together, which I think you did in 1999 or 1998,
00:12:25.820 which was the first family reunion from both sides, which was a beautiful thing you did.
00:12:30.700 That's a form of a union.
00:12:32.980 That's bringing people together.
00:12:34.460 Well, because I think maybe we're bringing people to get different people together now
00:12:41.180 by removing his statue.
00:12:43.560 You know, how do you think black people think about, especially the ones who were descended
00:12:49.640 from slaves, how do you think that they think when they go to see Thomas Jefferson, 19 feet
00:12:56.300 tall, in this big monument in Washington, D.C.?
00:12:59.640 I have one of my Hemings cousins, Shannon Lanier, that wrote an article for CNN, and he suggested
00:13:07.240 taking down Thomas Jefferson's statue.
00:13:10.500 In fact, I don't really understand why you're so offended by this.
00:13:14.820 Why I'm offended by this?
00:13:18.460 You and I are living in a country where we're free to say whatever we can.
00:13:21.820 You can totally disagree with me, and I can disagree with you because we live in America.
00:13:25.800 Yeah.
00:13:26.440 And this happened because a lot of people sacrificed for us to get here.
00:13:29.280 Don't you think?
00:13:33.200 Sure.
00:13:35.180 There's value in that, isn't there?
00:13:37.260 Sure.
00:13:38.500 Okay.
00:13:38.940 So, I mean, what you're saying right now, I mean, it's like same thing as me saying,
00:13:42.300 should Jews call for the pyramids to be torn down since they were most likely built by 1.00
00:13:46.480 Israelis? 0.53
00:13:49.260 What?
00:13:50.160 Should Prophet Muhammad, who was a slave trader, should mosques be torn down? 0.78
00:13:54.900 Hey, Casey, are you listening to this?
00:13:57.400 Yeah. 0.97
00:13:59.280 I just wanted to make sure that my girlfriend is listening to this garbage that's coming 1.00
00:14:04.920 out of your mouth. 1.00
00:14:05.960 What I love the fact is that you disagree with this.
00:14:08.780 Here's a guy that was born in Iran who loves the country your great-grandfather built.
00:14:14.560 This is a guy that escaped Iran to come to America, and I'm defending your country.
00:14:21.100 I'm an immigrant.
00:14:23.780 Proudly, I represent America.
00:14:26.480 So am I.
00:14:27.840 So why do you love America?
00:14:29.200 I'm an immigrant as well.
00:14:31.480 In fact, I'm a naturalized citizen.
00:14:34.800 Are you a naturalized citizen?
00:14:36.160 I am, yes.
00:14:37.200 Okay, so am I.
00:14:39.260 Were you born here?
00:14:41.700 No, I wasn't.
00:14:43.560 I was born in Japan.
00:14:45.800 In a military.
00:14:46.480 And because I was born in Japan after the war, before there was an immigration and naturalization
00:14:52.620 treaty with the country of Japan that didn't exist in 1947, I was naturalized probably the
00:15:01.220 same way you are.
00:15:03.040 Slightly different.
00:15:03.720 I have an immigration naturalization certificate the same way you do.
00:15:08.780 Were you born in a military base?
00:15:10.760 Yes, but I just explained to you why.
00:15:13.340 You cannot explain me being born in Iran and you being born in a military base.
00:15:16.140 I just explained to you why I was naturalized.
00:15:21.160 Yeah, you know, look, I understand that there's better places to go to that's going to be safe
00:15:26.620 and interviews to be done, but I was wondering to know if you were going to ask some questions,
00:15:30.040 answer some questions.
00:15:30.980 Just out of curiosity, you're somebody that's written a lot.
00:15:34.800 Who would you say the best president we've had in the last 100 years?
00:15:38.520 The best president we've had in the last 100 years?
00:15:42.360 I'd say Barack Obama.
00:15:44.420 Barack Obama?
00:15:45.340 Who else would you say?
00:15:47.100 Huh?
00:15:47.700 Who else outside of Barack?
00:15:50.680 You know, I don't have to tell you these things.
00:15:53.760 You know this is called...
00:15:54.540 You know something? 0.99
00:15:56.320 These are ridiculous questions. 0.95
00:15:58.180 This is like sitting here asking me, what is my favorite movie? 0.93
00:16:03.060 What is my favorite novel or whatever?
00:16:05.580 I don't answer questions like this.
00:16:07.920 I don't tell you what my favorite novel is or my favorite movie.
00:16:12.180 I don't have to tell you what my favorite president is.
00:16:14.360 Did we get a disclaimer saying we can't ask questions on movies or things like this?
00:16:18.320 No, no.
00:16:18.680 So we were just told, let's do an interview with questions, right?
00:16:21.500 Is that kind of what it was?
00:16:22.460 Yes.
00:16:22.780 So you said Barack Obama is your favorite president.
00:16:24.800 Fair enough.
00:16:25.120 Let's just go with that.
00:16:25.920 Barack Obama is your favorite president.
00:16:28.780 Here's what Barack Obama said, February 10th, 2014.
00:16:33.780 As one of our founding fathers, the person who drafted our Declaration of Independence,
00:16:39.520 somebody who not only was an extraordinary political leader, but also one of our great
00:16:43.860 scientific and cultural leaders, Thomas Jefferson represents what's best in America.
00:16:52.340 Do you agree with Barack Obama?
00:16:53.860 No, I don't.
00:16:57.340 I don't think owning slavery represents what's best in America.
00:17:01.720 Owning slaves.
00:17:02.820 I think to go back and to assume a time where every one of our parents or lineage is linked
00:17:12.280 to either being a slave owner or a slave.
00:17:15.240 This includes me.
00:17:16.360 I'm a Syrian and Armenian.
00:17:18.800 So I'm sure you're familiar with the Syrian and the Armenian genocide.
00:17:23.700 Yes.
00:17:24.600 Okay.
00:17:25.320 So I can go back and say, it's not fair to do this.
00:17:28.460 And sure, I can ask for a lot of things, but that's history.
00:17:31.500 So if America wants to put a statue up, I don't see an issue with that.
00:17:36.860 I don't know why you see an issue with that.
00:17:39.060 Well, and you haven't been listening to me because I've explained it.
00:17:42.700 I have been, but you haven't answered a lot of questions.
00:17:45.160 And maybe it's safer to go to a place where you give them the questions to ask you where
00:17:50.560 the interviewer cannot ask you any question.
00:17:52.840 You should have told me up front, these are 98 questions you can't ask.
00:17:55.920 We wouldn't have done this interview.
00:17:56.980 But if you agree to the interview, you don't want to do the interview.
00:18:01.520 That's good.
00:18:02.440 Let's just shut it off.
00:18:03.480 If you agree to the interview, the part of interview is answering questions.
00:18:07.400 You didn't tell us that question.
00:18:08.300 I don't have to answer these pity, pat, little, nip-picky questions.
00:18:13.160 With all due respect.
00:18:13.760 And you know what?
00:18:14.480 I'm not going to do it.
00:18:15.460 I'm not going to answer your nip-picky little questions like, who's asking me who's my favorite 1.00
00:18:21.540 person?
00:18:21.860 Yes.
00:18:22.440 Yes.
00:18:22.780 Because your favorite president said, because your favorite president said Thomas Jefferson
00:18:27.340 represents what's best in America.
00:18:30.580 That's why.
00:18:32.380 That's why I asked the question.
00:18:33.300 You know what you're doing?
00:18:34.400 You know what you're doing?
00:18:35.220 What am I doing?
00:18:35.780 You don't like the fact that I wrote that article for the New Yorker.
00:18:38.560 No, no.
00:18:39.040 I actually love.
00:18:40.080 And what you want to do is.
00:18:42.180 What you want to do is pick a fight with me.
00:18:44.340 Absolutely not.
00:18:45.080 I watch every single one of your videos.
00:18:47.020 And let me tell you what was beautiful about the videos that you have.
00:18:49.800 Every single one of the interviews you've done, I watched.
00:18:52.600 It was emotional to see you and to see you.
00:18:55.760 And I believe the gentleman's name is Shannon Lanier.
00:18:59.320 It was beautiful seeing the two of you guys together.
00:19:02.400 It was beautiful seeing you bringing a family together.
00:19:05.200 It was beautiful seeing you taking there to history together.
00:19:07.880 It was a wonderful thing to do because that's how you unify.
00:19:10.740 That's what we need in America.
00:19:12.280 That's something where it gets me emotional to sit there and watch and say, I love this.
00:19:17.060 We need more of this.
00:19:18.200 So before you jump to conclusion and judge this guy interviewing you, you have to understand
00:19:24.580 that this guy was inspired by what you did.
00:19:27.340 And he's asking you basic questions to see where you are with why the statue is.
00:19:31.980 You can't answer questions.
00:19:34.980 I can answer questions.
00:19:36.580 I answered your questions.
00:19:38.060 Did you read it?
00:19:38.700 I asked you why.
00:19:39.440 You asked me why you think, why I think we ought to take down the statue of Thomas Jefferson.
00:19:45.980 Yeah, then I asked you some other basic questions you refused to answer.
00:19:49.240 What, basic questions like, who's my favorite president?
00:19:52.080 Yes.
00:19:52.760 People ask those questions all the time.
00:19:54.640 That's a baloney question.
00:19:57.000 It's for you to say.
00:19:58.220 You can say that.
00:19:59.240 Yes, I can say that.
00:20:00.680 And you asked me what country I believe is the best.
00:20:04.140 And I answered it to you.
00:20:05.300 I think that's a baloney question.
00:20:06.700 You asked me what was, what did you ask me?
00:20:12.080 What is my favorite country?
00:20:12.800 I asked you what country do you believe is the greatest country in the world.
00:20:14.840 Who I think is the greatest country in the world.
00:20:18.240 You know, you can't answer that, can you?
00:20:22.300 Yeah, I did.
00:20:23.320 Say it.
00:20:23.860 What is it?
00:20:24.800 Ask the guy you're in the studio with.
00:20:27.420 I'm asking you.
00:20:28.300 I'm interviewing you, not them. 0.97
00:20:31.780 What?
00:20:32.640 I'm asking you.
00:20:33.580 I'm not interviewing these guys.
00:20:35.340 No, I know you're not.
00:20:36.160 I'm asking you.
00:20:36.860 Well, if you can't remember what my answer was, maybe one of the guys in your studio
00:20:41.820 can remember the answer.
00:20:43.320 And the follow-up question was, why do you think America is the greatest country?
00:20:46.240 How can't you answer that question?
00:20:47.700 I did.
00:20:48.500 What was it?
00:20:49.540 I said, because I said it is.
00:20:51.620 So that's your answer.
00:20:52.740 That's my answer.
00:20:53.880 What an incredible answer.
00:20:55.660 Because you said it.
00:20:56.320 So if you've got millions of 20-year-olds that are watching you in America who are on
00:21:00.860 your side hoping to learn from you, they're hoping somebody with your level of wisdom
00:21:04.440 can teach them.
00:21:05.160 Why is America such a great country?
00:21:09.380 Because I said it is.
00:21:10.760 That's all it is?
00:21:11.740 Okay.
00:21:12.120 That's right.
00:21:13.220 All right.
00:21:13.900 I mean, based on that, I will do one last question for you.
00:21:18.700 And I have a feeling I know where this answer is going.
00:21:20.860 How do you feel about The Economist?
00:21:22.980 Right back here in the painting.
00:21:24.040 If you look closely in this painting, there are two books behind me in this painting.
00:21:29.000 We have John F. Kennedy here.
00:21:30.820 We have Einstein-Lincoln.
00:21:32.480 We have the Shah here. 0.97
00:21:34.080 We have Milton Friedman and MLK.
00:21:36.360 They're in a bank vault debating two books.
00:21:39.400 The two books sitting there had this painting custom made.
00:21:42.380 One you recognize on the top possibly if you can see it.
00:21:44.980 One is Communist Manifesto.
00:21:46.900 The other one is Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
00:21:49.760 You recognize both names, yes?
00:21:53.140 Yeah.
00:21:54.040 What would you say about Karl Marx?
00:21:55.760 What do you think about him?
00:21:57.480 I don't think anything about him.
00:21:59.380 How about Ayn Rand?
00:22:02.020 I don't think anything about her either.
00:22:05.420 Very cool.
00:22:06.280 What do you think about Donald Trump?
00:22:07.940 I don't think anything about him either.
00:22:10.380 This is a very interesting interview.
00:22:11.800 Well, I can tell you one thing for a fact.
00:22:13.040 It's very, I learned a lot.
00:22:15.780 Good.
00:22:16.680 I learned a lot today.
00:22:18.020 I learned a lot.
00:22:18.620 I learned that you prefer easy questions than tough ones.
00:22:23.880 And tough ones kind of irritate you a little bit, which I can't help you with.
00:22:26.280 Tough ones like, who's your favorite president?
00:22:29.680 Boy, that was a big one.
00:22:30.700 Because your favorite president admires Jefferson.
00:22:34.880 That's because your favorite president, who's the first African-American president, said
00:22:40.200 that Thomas Jefferson represents what's best in America.
00:22:45.220 Yeah, I know he did.
00:22:46.320 And you know what?
00:22:47.100 I disagree with him because I don't think owning slaves represents what's best in America.
00:22:53.460 Do you think that slavery was what's best about this country?
00:22:58.880 One of the worst things that was done in America.
00:23:01.920 Okay.
00:23:02.880 Then maybe you disagree.
00:23:04.200 Then maybe you disagree with Barack Obama too.
00:23:07.520 The only thing I disagree is why take the statue and replace it with Harriet Tubman rather
00:23:12.240 than put it in a different place.
00:23:13.740 I don't disagree with you on a lot of things.
00:23:16.140 Okay.
00:23:17.340 I'm disagreeing with why take it and replace it.
00:23:19.960 Why not just put it elsewhere and recognize both things?
00:23:21.780 I told you.
00:23:22.200 I answered that question.
00:23:23.240 Then there you go.
00:23:23.860 So I answered your question as well.
00:23:26.180 Hmm?
00:23:26.840 I answered your question as well.
00:23:28.360 Yeah.
00:23:28.700 Okay.
00:23:29.460 Good?
00:23:30.600 Yeah.
00:23:31.620 I got to tell you, I've had a blast with you.
00:23:34.360 Yeah.
00:23:35.240 Me too.
00:23:35.600 You're one of my favorite interviews of all time.
00:23:38.040 Yeah.
00:23:38.860 I wish you nothing but the best.
00:23:41.120 Okay.
00:23:42.240 All good.
00:23:42.760 Take care of yourself.
00:23:44.580 Goodbye.
00:23:45.320 Bye-bye. 1.00
00:23:45.700 What a fucking asshole. 1.00
00:23:48.640 Every single interview he had done, every new one, old one, year old, six years old, 1.00
00:23:53.340 seven years, I watched every single one of them out of respect to him and his lineage,
00:23:58.780 and I was curious to know why he wanted to move.
00:24:03.200 Why not just put another statue there with Harriet Tubman right next to it? 1.00
00:24:06.940 Why having to take away the statue and put it at a different place?
00:24:10.800 What are your thoughts?
00:24:11.840 Did you sit there and say, Pat, I think I absolutely disagree with you.
00:24:15.140 Tell me why.
00:24:15.980 I want to hear your thoughts.
00:24:16.940 Or you may say, I agree with you.
00:24:18.780 Why do you agree with me?
00:24:20.040 And also, do you think he really loves America?
00:24:23.020 When I said, why do you love America?
00:24:24.380 Why couldn't he give an answer?
00:24:25.620 This was a 90-minute interview, and it wasn't going anywhere, and he wasn't answering any
00:24:29.780 questions.
00:24:30.540 Was there any unfair questions that were asked in this interview regarding him being part
00:24:35.380 of the lineage of Jefferson to want to move it, remove it to another place?
00:24:39.160 What are your thoughts?
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00:25:03.480 Take care, everybody.
00:25:04.220 Bye-bye.
00:25:04.480 Bye-bye.