Valuetainment - June 19, 2025


“Jordan DIDN’T Have a 48-Inch Vertical” - Dwight Howard QUESTIONS MJ’s Vertical Leap


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In this episode, we talk about Michael Jordan's record setting vertical leap and how it compares to Kobe Bryant's and Bo Jackson's records. We also talk about who would win in a dunk contest between MJ and Scottie Pippen.

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00:00:00.000 And then what was your vertical leap?
00:00:01.440 My vertical leap was 39.
00:00:04.200 39.
00:00:04.980 Okay, Kobe's was 38.
00:00:07.480 When?
00:00:08.760 You hear that his vertical leap was 38.
00:00:11.420 That's tough.
00:00:12.800 You think he wasn't 38?
00:00:14.740 No, I'm just saying anything in the high 30s to 40s is really, really good.
00:00:21.920 No matter how tall.
00:00:25.800 Jordan had a 48.
00:00:27.220 I want to see this.
00:00:28.340 If Jordan really had a 48, that means he's touching the top of the backboard.
00:00:32.300 I've touched the top of the backboard, and I've touched higher.
00:00:34.900 I'm dunking on a 12-foot, 7-foot goal.
00:00:38.620 If Jordan had a 48-inch vert, he should be sitting on the rim.
00:00:45.480 He should be able to turn around and sit on the rim.
00:00:47.740 That's what they call him, Eric Jordan.
00:00:49.100 But I'm saying there's no way he had a buff.
00:00:51.880 10 feet would be 120 feet.
00:00:53.480 So even if you're up 48, if we do the math, he's 6'6".
00:00:58.240 So if he's 6'6", let's just say 48, you've got 120, he can be, you know.
00:01:07.660 He's got to be touching the top of the backboard.
00:01:10.380 So you're saying you don't think Mike had a 48?
00:01:12.600 There's no way he had a 48.
00:01:14.240 Are you serious?
00:01:14.340 Do you think Spud Webb had a 48, 47?
00:01:17.760 Spud Webb.
00:01:18.940 You remember Spud Webb from the Atlanta Hawks?
00:01:21.700 I do remember Spud Webb, but they're saying Michael Jordan has the highest vert ever.
00:01:26.420 This got to be some Gatorade, like Nike type.
00:01:29.980 We're going to pay to make this seem this way.
00:01:32.820 Have you seen the people who jump in this league?
00:01:35.700 Can you type in what was Spud Webb's vertical leap?
00:01:38.560 Spud Webb's vertical leap.
00:01:40.180 He was 46 to 46.
00:01:42.940 Yeah, there's Spud Webb.
00:01:43.600 And Michael Jordan had a 48-inch vert.
00:01:47.180 I feel like those are wilt lies.
00:01:50.020 That's a wilt lie.
00:01:52.500 That's a wilt lie.
00:01:54.300 But stay on this.
00:01:55.300 So if we're going to go and say wilt lies, what's more likely?
00:01:58.620 What's more likely?
00:01:59.840 The fact that Mike had a 48-inch vertical leap or the fact that Bo Jackson ran a 419-40?
00:02:08.400 What's more likely a lie?
00:02:11.560 Oh, Bo knows football.
00:02:13.860 I'm going to go with Michael Jordan with the 48-inch.
00:02:16.140 So you said Mike's a lie.
00:02:17.560 Bo did it?
00:02:18.420 Yeah, Bo had that bald head, man.
00:02:20.300 He was fast.
00:02:21.280 What do you mean?
00:02:21.680 Oh, my God.
00:02:22.420 Two-score Bo.
00:02:23.200 This is crazy.
00:02:24.740 So what do you think was Michael's vertical leap?
00:02:27.440 If you're saying 48 is that impossible, what do you think it was?
00:02:30.180 He's just saying that's so crazy.
00:02:31.100 He's two inches off a 50-inch vert Michael Jordan.
00:02:34.340 That's so insane.
00:02:36.260 I know he did have some crazy dunks, but 48 inches means he's touching the top.
00:02:40.740 Okay, so now we're going to a different place.
00:02:43.080 Okay, so now let's talk different.
00:02:46.220 So let's say dunk contest.
00:02:47.860 Dunk contest.
00:02:48.580 You against Mike.
00:02:49.540 Who wins?
00:02:50.280 Me?
00:02:50.700 I got to go with myself.
00:02:51.440 Dwight, stop it.
00:02:52.520 What do you mean?
00:02:53.240 What did Michael Jordan?
00:02:54.300 Scottie Pippen did a better free throw line dunk than Michael Jordan.
00:02:56.880 Oh, my goodness.
00:02:58.260 Shots fired, though.
00:02:59.280 Look it up.
00:02:59.820 Look at Michael Jordan's.
00:03:02.760 Greatest poster of NBA of all time.
00:03:05.100 Yes, but why Scottie Pippen?
00:03:06.340 I bet he went further.
00:03:07.320 I've seen it.
00:03:07.900 Why Scottie Pippen?
00:03:09.140 I bet his jump is further back, and he's fully extended.
00:03:15.220 Well, Scottie's also got those minutes.
00:03:16.740 You know, a lot of times they talk about how big Jordan's hands are.
00:03:20.140 Scottie's hands.
00:03:21.120 Scottie don't win without – I mean, Michael don't win without Scottie.
00:03:25.520 Let's do it.
00:03:26.400 You don't think?
00:03:28.240 Did he win without him?
00:03:29.400 Well, did Scottie ever win without Michael?
00:03:32.380 But Michael was supposed to be the man.
00:03:34.980 This is the one you're talking about.
00:03:36.320 So let's see this.
00:03:37.600 Watch what he take off for.
00:03:38.500 This is in a dunk contest?
00:03:39.640 Yeah.
00:03:39.860 But Scottie never won a dunk contest.
00:03:41.520 Because he didn't have the whole Nike behind him.
00:03:43.700 He didn't have the showmanship.
00:03:45.120 You're going to say Nike.
00:03:45.700 No, he didn't have Nike behind him like Jordan did.
00:03:48.380 The crowd.
00:03:49.960 What was Scottie's shoe?
00:03:51.160 Was it Converse, or was he Adidas?
00:03:54.840 Watch how easy he did this.
00:03:56.220 From the free throw line.
00:03:58.200 Look how easy he did that.
00:03:59.560 But watch Jordan's dunk from the free throw line.
00:04:00.940 Only because Jordan has a bald head, and he has shorter shorts.
00:04:04.260 Dwight, how are you going to start hating on Michael Jordan on the podcast right now?
00:04:07.520 I'm not hating.
00:04:08.360 I love Michael Jordan.
00:04:09.040 Come on now, okay?
00:04:10.120 He got the short shorts.
00:04:11.920 He got the gum chewing.
00:04:13.320 He got the ears.
00:04:14.280 He just looked like he's about to go flying.
00:04:16.240 He got 50 on a drone.
00:04:17.720 Chris, he was fun to watch.
00:04:19.280 Blazers. 0.98
00:04:21.200 Let's see this.
00:04:21.900 Look at the walk.
00:04:22.780 The smooth.
00:04:24.160 Effortless.
00:04:24.780 Boom.
00:04:25.060 No, he pumped.
00:04:25.580 No, he brought it back.
00:04:27.500 Dwight.
00:04:28.000 Dwight.
00:04:28.380 But you have to give credit where credit's due.
00:04:30.220 Because you'll understand this better than maybe anybody.
00:04:33.380 Showmanship counts.
00:04:34.480 When did he do that with showmanship?
00:04:35.580 Showmanship counts.
00:04:36.200 He did the same dunk.
00:04:37.200 He brought it back.
00:04:38.240 He was just darker than Pippen.
00:04:40.180 Okay, so what do you think his vertical leap is?
00:04:41.680 What do you think his vertical leap is?
00:04:42.280 You put on a cape.
00:04:43.240 You know about showmanship.
00:04:44.740 Yes.
00:04:45.680 Okay, what was a show about that he did the exact same dunk that Scottie Pippen did?
00:04:50.460 Dude, there's no way.
00:04:52.000 Scottie basically acted like he was just walking through the park and jumped out.
00:04:55.440 And he did the same thing.
00:04:56.720 It's MJ.
00:04:57.460 And then they just got better pictures.
00:04:59.100 You know who else did that?
00:05:00.220 So did Brent Berry.
00:05:01.380 Do you remember when Brent Berry dunked from the...
00:05:03.280 Yeah, without his...
00:05:04.440 What's the difference between Brent Berry and Scottie Pippen?
00:05:06.520 He's a white guy.
00:05:07.500 I should tell you.
00:05:08.160 The colorings.
00:05:10.040 The colorings.
00:05:11.340 Jordan is so...
00:05:12.620 Brent Berry didn't even take off his sweats.
00:05:14.940 That's what I'm saying.
00:05:15.920 Nobody's expecting him to do this.
00:05:17.560 And this is cold.
00:05:18.160 Listen, expect the unexpected.
00:05:18.820 Can you fast forward a little bit?
00:05:20.300 I'm going...
00:05:20.700 All right, so you just said you would beat Michael.
00:05:23.960 Yes.
00:05:24.820 You would...
00:05:25.260 My prime dunks, I had more dunks than Michael in for the dunk contest.
00:05:29.280 Go ahead.
00:05:29.560 Let's see this here.
00:05:30.560 He got the windmill from out the paint.
00:05:32.640 He doesn't even dribble, though.
00:05:34.460 No, there's no way.
00:05:35.380 This is not even...
00:05:36.180 It's not in the same with David Bromerson.
00:05:38.080 It was in the wrong city.
00:05:39.220 What was that at?
00:05:39.800 San Antonio?
00:05:40.900 You know Charles Barkley loves San Antonio.
00:05:42.480 I know.
00:05:42.740 Going back to you with...
00:05:45.500 Alonzo Mourning right here.
00:05:46.820 Going back to you with...
00:05:48.040 So you think you beat Michael in a dunk contest?
00:05:50.480 Okay.
00:05:51.100 What did Michael do in a dunk contest?
00:05:52.660 He did the free throw line dunk and the windmill from...
00:05:56.200 Sick.
00:05:56.900 From outside the pit.
00:05:57.860 Right.
00:05:58.540 That's easy.
00:05:59.380 He beat Dominique Wilkins.
00:06:01.620 Which he wasn't supposed to.
00:06:03.300 Dominique won those, but they gave it to Mike.
00:06:06.320 Oh, you're saying it's a conspiracy?
00:06:07.380 You're going to say because of Nike.
00:06:08.740 Yes.
00:06:10.100 Nike cannot see somebody else...
00:06:12.320 Like, they cannot see somebody else outside of Nike winning.
00:06:15.560 They have to have a...
00:06:16.260 So who was Dominique Wilkins' shoe contract in that dunk contest?
00:06:21.380 And who was Scotty's shoe contract?
00:06:23.720 Let's see this here.
00:06:24.440 It wasn't Nike.
00:06:25.160 So he was Reebok.
00:06:26.900 And then who was...
00:06:27.800 I chose wisely.
00:06:29.000 Who was Scotty Pippen's shoe contract?
00:06:32.660 Who was it?
00:06:33.480 Early in his year was Deal with Avia.
00:06:35.600 I don't even know who that is.
00:06:36.580 Then it was with Nike.
00:06:37.260 Then he went to Nike.
00:06:37.900 So later on, he went with Nike, what he did.
00:06:40.720 So what do you think Mike's vertical leap is?
00:06:43.200 It's not 48.
00:06:44.400 I mean, he probably got a good 42.
00:06:48.340 So he's got a 42.
00:06:49.560 Yeah, but you're saying a 48 is so high.
00:06:51.900 Who's the highest you ever saw?
00:06:53.140 You played with a lot of guys.
00:06:53.960 Did you ever see anybody?
00:06:55.020 Did you ever watch Shannon Brown?
00:06:56.540 Did you ever see some of these Vince Carter or Tracy McGrady?
00:06:59.020 Me and Vince did a dunk contest.
00:07:01.200 Privately?
00:07:01.740 Yes.
00:07:02.260 Who won?
00:07:03.440 He's not going to say it.
00:07:04.480 He's not going to say it.
00:07:06.260 But we both did this crazy dunk.
00:07:08.640 One dribble from half court, two steps.
00:07:12.060 How much of a running start do you have?
00:07:13.740 No running start.
00:07:14.620 You start at half court.
00:07:15.780 You take one dribble, two steps.
00:07:17.400 I was doing one dribble, two steps between the legs.
00:07:19.980 One dribble, two steps, windmill.
00:07:21.840 From half court?
00:07:22.720 From half court.
00:07:24.140 I mean, I've seen Giannis run up with two dribbles and he dunks, but he's got a running start.
00:07:27.940 No, we start at half court.
00:07:29.780 Boom.
00:07:30.480 Once I was doing it in high school.
00:07:32.460 Damn.
00:07:32.960 Dwight, you won how many NBA dunk contests?
00:07:34.820 Two?
00:07:35.200 One.
00:07:35.480 Just one.
00:07:36.480 So if you could put in order your top three, top five best NBA dunkers of all time, where
00:07:42.740 do you rank on that list and who's your top five, top ten?
00:07:45.540 Okay, I put myself three.
00:07:49.640 Before, at number one is Vince Carter.
00:07:53.400 Ahead of Mike.
00:07:54.420 Ahead of Mike, yes.
00:07:56.240 Have you seen Vince Carter?
00:07:57.460 I have.
00:07:58.340 Olympics.
00:07:59.060 Oh my God.
00:08:00.340 He got to be number one.
00:08:01.320 Now, then you got two.
00:08:04.220 You got to go with Mike.
00:08:05.980 Then you got Dominique Wilkins.
00:08:09.500 Four?
00:08:10.920 And nobody's putting him in here, but I got to put him in here.
00:08:13.880 Who's five?
00:08:14.760 Darryl Dawkins.
00:08:15.900 Oh, you're going to old school.
00:08:16.560 Darryl Dawkins.
00:08:17.320 Okay.
00:08:17.840 What was his nickname?
00:08:19.020 Sexual Chocolate or something like that?
00:08:20.320 No, that was mine.
00:08:22.320 Oh, God.
00:08:23.220 That's Rick James.
00:08:24.980 No, Darryl Dawkins.
00:08:25.780 What was his nickname?
00:08:26.400 Chocolate Thunder.
00:08:26.980 Chocolate Thunder.
00:08:27.840 My bad.
00:08:28.460 Come on.
00:08:29.000 I get my chocolate.
00:08:30.260 That's what's coming to America. 0.99
00:08:31.580 Of course.
00:08:32.200 I know.
00:08:33.040 Darryl Dawkins.
00:08:34.380 Yes, Dr. Duncan Stein.
00:08:36.080 Randy Watson.
00:08:37.080 Got to get him.
00:08:37.380 Randy Watson.
00:08:38.920 Where does LeBron rank on this list?
00:08:41.280 He never won an NBA dunk contest.
00:08:43.320 He didn't do one.
00:08:44.440 Why didn't he do one?
00:08:45.220 Why didn't he do one?
00:08:45.840 It's actually a very good question.
00:08:46.700 Why didn't he do it?
00:08:47.300 I think LeBron is a dunk contest.
00:08:49.140 No, he's an in-game dunker.
00:08:50.780 I don't think he's a dunk contest dunker.
00:08:52.400 I think it's two different things.
00:08:53.700 In-game dunker, you have the crowd.
00:08:55.780 You have the whole game going on, so you have the atmosphere and everything to lift you up.
00:09:01.440 And a dunk contest is just you.
00:09:03.600 You got to find a way to entertain the crowd.
00:09:05.600 You got to find a way to muster up enough energy to get up and do crazy dunks.
00:09:09.520 So I think that LeBron is an in-game dunker.
00:09:13.400 He did do a dunk contest in high school for the McDonald's game.
00:09:18.180 I remember that.
00:09:18.760 But I don't think it was exciting because he did basically the same dunk that he does now.
00:09:24.880 The one hand like this, the reverse dunk like this.
00:09:29.080 Those are his special dunks, you know.
00:09:31.480 TBD.
00:09:31.860 So can I get my all-time top five?
00:09:36.000 Number one, Mack McClellan.
00:09:38.100 Okay.
00:09:38.480 Number two, Brent Berry.
00:09:40.840 Okay.
00:09:41.060 Number three.
00:09:41.780 I'm just naming white guys here.
00:09:43.360 No, I'm just kidding.
00:09:44.580 But where would you rank Blake Griffin on this list?
00:09:49.100 Because a lot of people think that he's on top of everybody.
00:09:51.820 Maybe with the exception of Vince Carter.
00:09:54.460 Blake.
00:09:55.200 Blake top tier all the time.
00:09:56.900 He's top ten.
00:10:00.600 Like the Kendrick Perkins, what's the one over in New York?
00:10:05.120 Timothy Mozgov.
00:10:06.720 Oh, yeah.
00:10:07.300 Dunked over a seven-footer, right?
00:10:08.820 This one.
00:10:09.940 He's probably got the most like crazy facials because.
00:10:13.920 You know what you just reminded me of while you guys are talking about this?
00:10:16.540 I actually want to know what you're going to say about this is, you know, the Kobe dunk on you.
00:10:21.640 Like, do you know which one I'm talking about?
00:10:23.200 Yeah.
00:10:23.520 Have you seen this one?
00:10:27.200 You even talk about it, right?
00:10:29.180 Can you?
00:10:30.260 Yeah.
00:10:31.020 Rob, this is like out of control, doesn't make any sense.
00:10:35.280 I was a rookie.
00:10:36.420 Was it your rookie year?
00:10:37.940 Because most people don't talk about this dunk.
00:10:40.620 Because it was so long ago.
00:10:43.060 Watch this.
00:10:43.660 Watch this.
00:10:45.020 Oh.
00:10:47.080 That's your rookie year.
00:10:48.320 Yeah.
00:10:49.060 Oh, four.
00:10:50.160 See, I thought he was going to come over.
00:10:53.240 You could have met him up there.
00:10:53.980 You got you, Dwight.
00:10:54.920 Yeah.
00:10:55.160 You wanted the charge?
00:10:56.300 I don't know what I was doing because, you know what?
00:11:01.480 I don't know what I was doing.
00:11:03.100 I remember Brian Grant said, welcome to the league, young fella.
00:11:06.500 And I remember my homeboy.
00:11:07.980 It was my birthday right after that.
00:11:09.500 Is that who I think who pushed him?
00:11:12.400 No, that's not Ray for Alston.
00:11:13.580 That's Steve Francis.
00:11:14.600 Oh, that was Steve Francis.
00:11:15.620 Good for Francis while he was like that.
00:11:20.440 Yeah.
00:11:21.020 So Francis was a tough teammate pushing.
00:11:23.100 Yeah, he didn't like that.
00:11:24.040 He didn't like nobody dunking and messing with DJ.
00:11:27.920 Wow.
00:11:28.240 But you know what that did?
00:11:29.620 It woke me up.
00:11:30.840 Because before that, I couldn't hear real good.
00:11:33.160 And after that, I heard everything.
00:11:35.060 And I was like, you know what?
00:11:36.360 Never let nobody do this to me again.
00:11:38.040 I got three defensive player of the year awards after that.
00:11:42.040 And I got in the weight room.
00:11:43.100 How many games after your rookie, like game one, what game is that when that happened?
00:11:47.520 That was a while into the season.
00:11:49.100 That was deep into the season.
00:11:50.660 No, actually, it had to be early into the season, before December.
00:11:55.000 So that was early into the season.
00:11:57.680 And who's Kobe?
00:11:59.000 Like, have you faced him yet?
00:12:00.340 Like, was this the first time when this happens where it's kind of like, holy shit?
00:12:03.840 I think it was, because he said, our coach said, don't let Kobe split the pick and roll.
00:12:11.840 And so he split the pick and roll.
00:12:14.140 And he said, Dwight, if he does, just come over high hands.
00:12:18.940 Come over high hands. 0.80
00:12:21.400 They say, you know, boom, oh.
00:12:25.480 That's all I heard was boom.
00:12:27.600 It was the ball going through the rim.
00:12:29.140 Boom.
00:12:29.500 And the whole crowd said, oh.
00:12:32.840 I'm like, he got me good.
00:12:35.120 Does it make sense, like, when you see that up close and personal, does it make sense he's a 38-inch vertical?
00:12:40.620 Is that about right?
00:12:42.740 See, it's all about angles and timing.
00:12:45.860 And his angle was so fast to the basket and deliberate that my force wasn't enough to stop his force.
00:12:55.080 If I would have came with the exact or even more force, we would have met, and it probably would have never happened.
00:13:01.060 But you saw I came over there like, la, la, la, la, la, you know?
00:13:04.500 Yeah.
00:13:05.040 So.
00:13:05.580 But that would never happen to you once you went into your defensive player tomorrow.
00:13:08.400 No, I would have ran, I would have jumped to meet him early, either to put him on the ground and say, hey, you're not doing this.
00:13:16.460 This is the only time you're going to get.
00:13:18.580 Or I'm going to go up and I'm going to grab the ball and block it.
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