Valuetainment - July 22, 2025


＂Last Person To DEFEND Trump＂ - Trump Hater Michael Cohen DENIES Epstein Connection


Episode Stats

Length

15 minutes

Words per Minute

196.51605

Word Count

2,982

Sentence Count

255

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

1


Summary

Who has the most credibility on the Epstein scandal? Jeffrey Epstein or Michael Cohen? The answer may surprise you. In this episode, former White House lawyer Rob Shapiro speaks to CNN reporter Alex Castellanos about Epstein and his relationship with Donald Trump.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You know who has the most credibility on this story here?
00:00:02.760 I'm going to show you guys something that's even going to spook you a little bit.
00:00:06.100 Okay.
00:00:06.540 Okay?
00:00:07.120 Tell me who hates Trump the most.
00:00:09.660 The last 10 years, since 2016, can you tell me who hates Trump the most?
00:00:13.800 That's a long list.
00:00:14.300 By the way, that's a long list.
00:00:15.800 No, no, but I want you to go who was close ally, who hates him the most.
00:00:20.460 You're going to play Nancy Pelosi.
00:00:21.940 No, I'm not going to play Nancy Pelosi.
00:00:22.740 Oh, that's a good clip.
00:00:24.120 I'm not going to play Pelosi.
00:00:25.420 You're not going to be able to guess what I'm going to play.
00:00:26.900 His old fixer, Michael Cohen?
00:00:28.540 Michael Cohen.
00:00:28.920 Okay, Rob, play this clip.
00:00:30.400 Watch this here.
00:00:31.480 Okay?
00:00:31.700 What can you speak to about your time with Donald Trump as it relates to Jeffrey Epstein, if at all?
00:00:37.740 So, actually, I fell into Trump's orbit around 2005, but I became part of the Trump organization
00:00:44.040 as the executive vice president and special counsel in 2007.
00:00:48.740 From the time that I started to the time that I finished in 2018, I actually never heard him mention
00:00:56.820 Jeffrey Epstein at all.
00:00:58.700 I never saw Jeffrey Epstein in the office when I was one of the 10,000 hours in Trump's office
00:01:05.580 doing work with him.
00:01:08.260 I never heard Jeffrey Epstein on the phone or even call into the office.
00:01:12.640 There was no relationship from the time that I started at the org to the time that I left.
00:01:17.540 And so how do you then, when you kind of look at what is transpiring now and the way he's
00:01:21.540 handling it, what do you make of the way he's handling it, the reason why this scandal, if
00:01:26.880 you will, this controversy, this individual has captivated so much attention and raised a
00:01:32.820 lot of serious, legitimate questions?
00:01:34.420 Sure, because that's what they campaigned on.
00:01:37.280 That's what he sold to his MAGA base.
00:01:40.200 He was going to release the Epstein files.
00:01:42.160 He was going to release the Martin Luther King files.
00:01:44.340 He was going to release the John F. Kennedy files.
00:01:46.640 He chose not to.
00:01:48.600 It's a mistake.
00:01:49.840 He should have just released the full file because by not doing that, all it does is create
00:01:56.160 these conspiracy theories.
00:01:57.980 Oh, he must be guilty of something.
00:02:00.660 See, this is the part.
00:02:02.040 Michael Cohen, Vinny, like you tell me why Michael Cohen, who on any chance he's gotten
00:02:11.800 to lie to destroy him, he's done it.
00:02:14.860 That this probably for him, as weird as it sounds, he has the most credibility on this
00:02:19.720 topic the last 20 years.
00:02:20.900 I know this sounds very weird.
00:02:22.220 Because he's been around him.
00:02:23.100 He has zero credibility.
00:02:24.520 But you know what I mean on credibility with this?
00:02:25.960 But I understand what you're saying.
00:02:27.180 He would be the last person you would expect.
00:02:28.580 He would be the last person to defend.
00:02:31.360 Of course.
00:02:31.740 This is an easy slam dunk for you to say, well, you know, there was that one time I was sitting
00:02:37.320 next door and he picked up a call and he made some jokes about underage and I felt very
00:02:42.460 uncomfortable.
00:02:43.460 And I asked him, who were you talking to?
00:02:45.260 He said, my boy, Jeffrey.
00:02:46.880 And I had to walk it because that was the one thing that drunk.
00:02:49.380 Even Bill Gates' wife said, Melinda, hey, what made me most uncomfortable was Bill Gates
00:02:54.500 was who?
00:02:55.300 Jeffrey Epstein.
00:02:56.060 He was abhorrent.
00:02:57.100 So you mean to tell me this guy who hates Trump that much is going to defend him?
00:03:01.540 It's a little weird.
00:03:02.460 But my question is this, though, guys.
00:03:04.240 So it's undeniable what he was doing.
00:03:06.900 He was recording.
00:03:07.800 It was a blackmail operation.
00:03:09.100 He being Epstein.
00:03:09.980 Epstein.
00:03:10.480 When Alex Acosta, Sean said, you know, he worked for intelligence.
00:03:14.820 Could have been Mossad.
00:03:15.860 Could have been ours.
00:03:16.560 Could have been a group of people.
00:03:18.620 Our thing is, Pam Bondi, Bongino, Patel, they were screaming from the rooftops.
00:03:24.540 This is what, if I'm in, I'm not leading up to their assignments.
00:03:27.480 Then once they're in, Sean, we feel like somebody told them, hey, shh, shut up.
00:03:33.120 Just like when he was arrested in Florida with that sweetheart deal you were talking about,
00:03:36.960 Alex Acosta, whoever was in charge, you gave him a 12-hour, all he had to do was be there
00:03:42.560 for 12 hours.
00:03:43.160 So he slept at the prison.
00:03:44.740 The door was open.
00:03:46.000 He only had to sleep there one night.
00:03:47.580 Who gives a convicted pedophile that type of access?
00:03:51.160 But then when you go back, why is Epstein visiting the White House 17 times?
00:03:55.820 And then Mark Middleton, Sean, who was his close aide and advisor, that guy signs him
00:04:00.400 on seven times.
00:04:02.000 And then that guy suicides himself hanging from a tree with an extension cord, shotgun to
00:04:07.700 the chest, no shotgun found.
00:04:09.420 It's just all this stuff, all we want, Sean, as the supporters.
00:04:12.500 And I get it.
00:04:13.720 Trump's not on it.
00:04:14.780 Put that aside.
00:04:15.840 But the people that were on those tapes, Sean, those terabytes of information, we want,
00:04:20.840 I know the real MAGA, we want accountability for those pieces of those demons who destroyed
00:04:26.940 these kids' lives, Sean, who these kids, by the way, I say this too.
00:04:30.500 I talked to Tom about this the other day.
00:04:32.240 What do you think they did with some of these girls or underage boys that were with these
00:04:35.780 high-profile guys that saw their faces?
00:04:37.980 You think they just let them go back into society?
00:04:40.140 No, they're gone forever.
00:04:41.120 We've lost 300,000 kids at our border.
00:04:44.000 Thank God Trump said that they found, what, 10,000?
00:04:46.300 What about the 290,000 that are gone?
00:04:49.560 Gone.
00:04:50.000 And nobody cares about them.
00:04:51.000 So we have to keep talking about it.
00:04:52.580 I don't think Trump's implicated.
00:04:54.380 But come on.
00:04:55.220 I don't want to see any child porn.
00:04:57.140 But what you guys are seeing at the FBI, arrest those people.
00:05:00.820 Arrest them.
00:05:01.620 You see them?
00:05:02.580 Why do you have cameras in every room?
00:05:04.600 Whistleblower said every room, Sean.
00:05:06.340 Everywhere you went, you were on camera.
00:05:08.560 Who was he recording it for?
00:05:10.040 And where's the footage?
00:05:10.880 I had one source tell me.
00:05:12.740 Take it for what it's worth.
00:05:13.780 I'm not, I'm, again, I'm trying to piece this together as you are.
00:05:18.400 That there were, none of those tapes existed.
00:05:21.120 Those tapes you just referred to.
00:05:22.780 Now, as it relates to Acosta and his comment about, about the intelligence community.
00:05:29.180 What intelligence community?
00:05:30.380 We need more details.
00:05:32.520 So, to me, I have more questions than answers.
00:05:35.240 I want the answers like you do.
00:05:37.440 I don't think there's anything more repugnant, Bible even says, as much than to harm a child.
00:05:42.860 Matthew 8, chapter 8, verse 6.
00:05:44.320 Bingo.
00:05:44.940 Wow, I'm impressed.
00:05:46.020 I learned from this guy over here.
00:05:48.080 There's nothing more offensive to me, and I don't think anything more offensive to God,
00:05:52.300 if you believe in the Bible as I do.
00:05:55.360 And I want the answers to the questions.
00:05:57.820 Now, I'm just maybe a little bit more willing to give it more time.
00:06:03.460 I want more information.
00:06:05.320 I want it all revealed.
00:06:06.980 Now, let's see, for example, Pam Bondi's trying to get the grand jury testimony.
00:06:11.480 Dershowitz, who's a friend of mine, and, man, he got caught up in this for a while.
00:06:16.980 And he was so adamant he was going to sue everybody.
00:06:19.840 He's like, and Dershowitz, his entire career has represented controversial figures like O.J.
00:06:27.300 And in the case of Epstein, I also know David Schoen.
00:06:30.920 He was friends with Epstein in the final years of his life.
00:06:33.920 I interviewed him, asked what he knew about it.
00:06:38.560 And, again, I want the answers like everybody else does.
00:06:42.580 Did you hear what Dershowitz had to say?
00:06:44.420 I did hear what he said.
00:06:45.400 Dershowitz wrote an article, I think it was in the Wall Street Journal.
00:06:47.120 I think it was about the grand jury testimony being where the mother load would probably be.
00:06:51.240 Yeah, I mean, whether you believe Dershowitz or now that's on you, but I'll just sort of boil down his main three points.
00:06:57.160 And, you know, we live in a rush to judgment, trial by media, trial by social media society.
00:07:02.000 So respect for you for waiting until actual evidence comes out versus rushing for judgment.
00:07:07.980 Here's what Dershowitz had to say.
00:07:10.060 Number one, there was no client list.
00:07:12.500 The list that you speak of was the victim's list.
00:07:15.740 People hear list, list, list.
00:07:16.920 By the way, I have four sources, not one, not two, not three.
00:07:22.220 Not four, not five.
00:07:23.280 We're winning championships here.
00:07:24.280 That say the same thing.
00:07:25.840 That's why I said everybody rushes in with their commentary.
00:07:29.760 And I'm like, I'm going to wait.
00:07:31.540 He also said two other things.
00:07:33.380 Number one, the tapes you speak of were public tapes.
00:07:36.740 Like we have videotapes here, all in Valuetainment, everywhere you go.
00:07:40.560 There's cameras all over here.
00:07:41.600 But there's not cameras necessarily in PBD's office or in PBD's bathroom.
00:07:45.820 I don't know.
00:07:46.860 This is what Dershowitz has to say.
00:07:48.460 I don't know.
00:07:49.520 Six cameras in a bathroom.
00:07:51.060 Yeah.
00:07:51.500 Number three, and this is the one that's going to freak people out, that there was actually
00:07:54.660 no, like, actual ties to intelligence agencies.
00:07:58.920 Whether it's Mossad, whether it's CA, I don't know.
00:08:01.800 This was his attorney.
00:08:03.120 He understands the law.
00:08:05.240 You are making my point.
00:08:06.940 It's like, these are all unanswered questions.
00:08:10.480 Now, if there is a valid criticism, like, I do believe they had a pile of an Epstein file.
00:08:18.780 I don't think they went through it.
00:08:20.460 They just said they had it.
00:08:22.300 And probably that created a lot of hope for people.
00:08:27.040 And then that has now evolved into suspicion.
00:08:29.840 Don't you think that this was Pam Bondi's job that she completely butchered?
00:08:33.780 Hear me out.
00:08:34.440 Yeah.
00:08:34.760 I think Kash Patel is an honest guy.
00:08:37.120 I think Dan Bongino has the highest credibility.
00:08:39.640 Yeah.
00:08:39.860 I actually believe Trump on this one.
00:08:41.580 I don't think J.D. Vance has any clue what's going on in this.
00:08:43.500 He wasn't around a journey of this.
00:08:45.180 Pam Bondi.
00:08:46.240 She was a little known, what, attorney general in Florida?
00:08:49.480 Right after the Epstein thing in Florida.
00:08:51.580 I'm saying, on the national scale.
00:08:53.560 She kicked ass in Florida.
00:08:54.960 Yes.
00:08:55.540 I live in Florida.
00:08:56.420 I've heard her name a bunch.
00:08:57.400 On a national level, nobody heard of Pam Bondi.
00:08:59.380 All of a sudden, she's catapulted to attorney general of the United States.
00:09:03.820 And she's an attractive woman.
00:09:05.260 Hear me out.
00:09:06.160 She sees herself on TV.
00:09:07.760 National news.
00:09:08.620 For the first time of her life.
00:09:10.420 You're telling me that a star doesn't look at the, oh, my God.
00:09:13.760 You know who believes me?
00:09:15.840 Megyn Kelly.
00:09:16.480 Because she's exactly what she said.
00:09:18.020 Your old friend Megyn Kelly.
00:09:19.400 Is Megyn Kelly wrong?
00:09:21.800 I'm not going to sit here and say anyone's right or wrong.
00:09:24.060 I'm just saying I haven't come to my conclusion.
00:09:26.620 I respect everyone's opinion.
00:09:28.480 You know, success in media is not a zero-sum game.
00:09:31.860 My success, my failure is not rooted in anyone else's success or failure.
00:09:35.740 If they come to a conclusion based on their opinion, their gut, their instincts, or information they have that I don't have, I respect it.
00:09:44.740 I listen to it.
00:09:46.240 I absorb it.
00:09:46.940 Take it in.
00:09:47.500 But I have to get to the point like I did in all of those cases I mentioned to you where I ended up being right.
00:09:54.100 I spent three years with an ensemble cast to get to the bottom of Russia collusion, and we were unpeeling the layers of the onion, the lie.
00:10:03.240 Look what it's now evolved into, right?
00:10:05.360 It took three years of programming on radio and TV to get to that point.
00:10:11.040 We were proven right.
00:10:12.620 The corrupt legacy, state-run legacy media mob, they were wrong.
00:10:16.560 But we did it very – it happened slowly.
00:10:20.420 It happened over time.
00:10:21.800 We found out the Hillary Clinton bought and paid for dirty Russian dossier.
00:10:26.460 Yeah, it was used as the basis of four FISA warrants.
00:10:31.400 Hillary Clinton got a pass when it came to top-secret classified information.
00:10:35.480 You know, if I have any bit of concern over this is people are so focused on it, and they should be.
00:10:46.900 I'm fine with that because I want to get the answers.
00:10:49.300 I think we'll get a lot more if we get that grand jury testimony.
00:10:52.180 That will be up to a judge.
00:10:53.980 But here's the problem.
00:10:55.220 Sunday was the six-month mark of Trump's presidency,
00:10:59.320 and what you played earlier from me and what I'm saying about it is so transformational and consequential,
00:11:08.320 and he's taken on every big major issue in a way that no president that I can think of in 100 years
00:11:18.580 is fundamentally shifting the country, I would argue, back to constitutional order
00:11:26.380 and limited government, greater freedom.
00:11:29.800 All of that's lost.
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