“Lebanon Is Little Iran” – HEATED Debate Over Israel’s War With Hezbollah
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In this episode, we discuss the latest developments in the Middle East, including the latest in the Iran-Israel conflict and the possibility of a peace deal between the United States and Iran. We are joined by Rob and Adam to discuss all of this and much more.
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So the first step is Israel attacks Hezbollah in Lebanon.
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Is that the right sequencing on what I just said?
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Trump suggests meeting with the Supreme Leader, appending expectations and diplomacy.
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I think even in the Kristen Walker interview, he said to her that, you know, I wouldn't mind speaking with him.
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He said he is a young man. He is younger than his father, probably a little bit more diplomatic.
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Is this it, Rob, about the exchange? Yeah, go for it.
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Are you talking about the son of the Supreme Leader?
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Well, he's a part of it. He has not been seen in public.
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What is his status? Have you talked to him directly?
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I do believe they have great respect for him. I see it.
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And he is part of the approval process, absolutely.
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I would if he'd like to, but I have not spoken to him directly.
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They do pay homage to him, I would tell you if they didn't.
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Tom, as you're seeing this back and forth with negotiations trying to take place,
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Yes, this is Iran actually striking an Israeli military base.
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And this is the first time since April, if I'm not mistaken, right?
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The timing of this on the plane right here is kind of a...
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whoa that's israel and then do you have the one israel to tehran and then the one with israel and
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lebanon because it's like three attacks that happen so i have israel striking iran but i
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don't have the actual impact just the aftermath okay go for it oh they recorded it after here
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and that's in tehran yes sir do you recognize that street romp that broke
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Adam, your thoughts on this back and forth with Lebanon, Israel, and Iran and the president.
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Yeah, well, look, Israel has – everyone has different interests in what they're doing in the region.
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At the end of the day, this comes down to the United States and Trump and the Ayatollah.
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But there's a different situation going on with Hezbollah.
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I'm no longer going to call Lebanon Lebanon.
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I'm going to call them little Iran because anything they do, their government has zero sway.
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And everything has to go through Hezbollah.
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If Hezbollah doesn't want something to occur, they'll just object.
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Israel and Hezbollah are fighting a war right now.
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They want to say it's a ceasefire, but it's a ceasefire that stops and starts.
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what is the religion of Iran and Hezbollah they're not just Muslim they're Shia Muslim
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now if you look at what's going on here I'd be very upset if I was a Shia Muslim
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because Israel and the United States have taken out your top two leaders of all time
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the Ayatollah and Nasrallah in Lebanon these are these aren't just leaders they are the supreme
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leaders of all time imagine that your enemy eliminated both your top two guys and now you
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want to have peace with these guys one of two things is going to happen either a deal is going
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to happen or there's going to be war there's no in between trump wants to get in and out of this
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thing israel is basically saying hey look i hear you but uh can you please tell these terrorists
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these shia militants these iranian proxy to stop shooting missiles yeah let me see what i could do
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uh turns out they're not going to listen turns out that they actually swore an oath to allah
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to eliminate israel do you think that any negotiation is going to stop hezbollah from
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starting war in in israel what i know about bibi is he wants peace but until there's peace that's
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done he's going to blow your stuff up so we're going to remains that we see what happens in here
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but iran does not necessarily want peace they want to cut a deal who knows what's going on here
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At the end of the day, Iran doesn't necessarily want peace.
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No, because Iran wants to cut a deal with the U.S.
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Israel does not want a deal unless nuclear is done.
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Israel and the people of Iran have the exact same interests.
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Why do you think the people of Iran are shouting,
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At the end of the day, Hezbollah is an Iranian military wing
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that has basically taken over and terrorized Lebanon.
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Here's what the president had to say about Hezbollah and Bibi.
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You have openly said you've been frustrated by Israel's continued bombing of Lebanon.
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Are you and Prime Minister Netanyahu on the same page?
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Yeah, we are. We get along very well. We've been great comrades. We did a very, very big number on a certain country that was nothing but trouble for 47 years. I disagree with him on a couple of things.
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I'd like to see I'd like to see Lebanon have a better life. I'd like to see a more surgical
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attack on Hezbollah. I think it should be more surgical and we can help them with that or we
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can recommend Syria. Syria is doing a very good job of cleaning up their act. They have a very
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good leader. They have a leader that's really done a good job in a short period of time and he would
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love to help. Yeah, so that's his position. Tom, what do you stand with this? Well, I like the
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comment about Syria, about trying to get other people that are interested in the outcome. Interested
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parties, yeah. Interested parties to participate. But I think there's two things that are really
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clear. Adam said both of them with regard to IRGC. Israel wants IRGC gone, and they are going to
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continue to frustrate our attempts to get a ceasefire and a deal that doesn't include the
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just absolute crippling of IRGC in some way. That's Israel's objective. So Israel's got two
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objectives. Get rid of IRGC and don't let the U.S. stop things too quickly or negotiate for a deal
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that you don't necessarily want. That's it. And then try to get Syria to come in and help. And
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And then Trump is trying to talk nice to BB to kind of smooth things over from last week, which I think we all believe happened.
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But Trump is still the dealmaker and he is still the alpha dog here.
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And he's trying to not navigate a way through it.
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That's this one recognizing the crazy call, Rob.
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Now, Axios reported that you had a phone call with Bibi Netanyahu,
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the Prime Minister of Israel, in which you were angry with him.
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Constantly fighting with Lebanon, you know.
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At some point, I said, Bibi, we've got to stop this.
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His relationship that he's talking about with Bibi is like watching a rich,
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Like the father gets mad, yells publicly, tells him to stop doing certain things,
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but the son knows deep down he's never actually getting in any real trouble, Pat,
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He keeps going because he knows the father at the end of the day isn't going to do anything.
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I think that's what frustrates a lot of freaking Americans.
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And I love when people are like, you guys all keep talking about Israel.
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No, it's because every time we turn, Israel's in the freaking news, fighting, Trump, no, don't do this, do this.
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And it's this constant back and forth where the warnings don't seem like they have any real consequences, Pat.
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And one thing that bothers people, a lot of people are worried, Israel has nuclear weapons, okay?
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As much as everybody tries to tippy-toe, it's funny how every other country who has nukes, Pat,
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You have to admit it because we have to have sanctions.
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If, God forbid, they use one in this war because Iran does something crazy, then what?
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And Adam, for you to say Lebanon is little Iran, 40% of Lebanon are Christians that have nothing to do with—
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Because they're all dead because they're getting bombed?
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Adam, I'm saying right now you said it's little Iran.
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There's a lot of Christians there that aren't Muslim, that aren't even involved with any of this Shia or whatever that are affected.
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And, again, it's always going to be the people.
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I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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Before I give you the answer, I'd like to hear your opinion.
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Yeah, because maybe there's bombs coming in, Adam.
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Israel's on a freaking campaign bombing Lebanon.
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It's not like, Adam, they're not strategically—
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You think the Christians are leaving Lebanon because Israel's bombing them?
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How familiar are you with the history of Lebanon?
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I'm just seeing what's happening in the news right now.
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Well, it's not—the Jews are not the reason, or Israel's not the reason that Christians are being persecuted in Lebanon.
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It's the same reason that Egypt used to be Christian, that Syria used to be Christian, that Iraq used to be Christian.
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Who's running the country that you grew up in?
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The Christians are being persecuted by the Muslims.
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the uh the Coptic Christians were basically taken over by the Muslims Iraq your people
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the Syrians I'm shocked you don't know this were taken over by the Muslims it's the same thing that
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happened in Lebanon Lebanon is the one country in the Middle East where they actually were like
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look guys let's try to do this experiment let's have Christians and Sunnis and Shias all get
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together and then the Shia was like nah nah we're gonna have a Hezbollah come in here and we're
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going to ruin everybody's life including the christians including the sunnis and these people
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in israel them too so my correction for you is learn your history and realize that the problem
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going on in lebanon is not israel there's problems there don't get me wrong but the reason the
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christians are being persecuted is because of the the uh intolerant basically radical clerics
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and the and the shiite terrorists that have taken over and hijacked their country just like they've
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done in iran that's what's going on my question is so the christians that are there right now
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So my question to you is, you still go to my point.
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The 30% to 40%, let's say almost 38% that are Christian there right now,
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By the way, the show that I'm doing today is with my friend Jack Jr.'s dad.
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Right now his family's worried because there's bombings coming from Israel
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Do your research on what actually happened in Lebanon.
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Do you remember when the podcast we had Bridget Gabrielle on?
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Oh, come on, then don't comment on this if you don't know.
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Adam, I'm talking about what's happening right now.
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You think Christians that are sitting in Lebanon right now
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Because Hezbollah has taken over their country.
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I encourage you to watch what Bridget Gabrielle always says.
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Shout out to the Christians that was basically born in Lebanon and had to flee.
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She fled to Israel because basically she was being persecuted for being Christian in her own country.
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Find out really the history of Lebanon of why they basically were the Paris of the Middle East.
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And now they're in this situation here with a Hezbollah takeover.
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Who said, see, and that's how the argument turns
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Vinny, I love you, I literally don't think you know what you're talking about
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No, let's just, for people listening, and they're listening to the debate.
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I actually want you to think about what was said here.
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How do you, do you have any feedback to give them?
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I don't think there's, there's been a sweeping change of influence in Lebanon, but Lebanon, we've been looking into this.
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Lebanon was 60-40 Muslim Christian in the year 2000 with about 4 million people.
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But in 25 years since, they are now 70-30 Muslim with the 70% evenly split Shiite-Sunni.
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I looked this up over a week ago and looking at it and saying, what's at play here?
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But to your point, there is overwhelming influence over what's going there
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and dramatically increased persecution of the Christians who are there because Hezbollah.
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I give you that. Who are they getting armed and influenced by?
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But I don't think it's fair to call them little, little Iran.
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I think it's Lebanon being influenced by Hezbollah, and I think that's what—
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And Hezbollah is a proxy of Iran, but the influence is there.
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But there's a bunch of—it hasn't become like, you know, Minneapolis that became Little Mogadishu.
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I would argue it's actually worse than Minneapolis because they're not using bullets in Somalia yet.
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You think Minneapolis is worse than Lebanon with Hezbollah?
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No, I'm saying when people call Minneapolis Little Mogadishu, they're making the same kind of—
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I didn't begin with H, but I'm still going to go with Iran.
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So what chaos have those organizations created in the Middle East?
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it's it's been Iran has been the bank and the instigator of the chaos pushing the Shiite side
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of all of the rebels to kind of to get together under the HHHI you know you know what conclusion
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I've come up with with this or Israel and you know all the arguments this is what the argument
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the conclusion I've come up with those who can't stand Israel you can't change their minds
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Those who think everything is Israel's fault, like Vinny said earlier, why is it decreasing?
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Vinny said that about 10 minutes ago, right?
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So if you think everything's Israel's fault, that's probably not going to change, okay?
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If you think everything is Iran's fault, IRGC's fault, the extremist's fault, that's not going to change.
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my main concern is the people in the middle who are watching this thinking to themselves
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what the hell is going on the reality of it is you know and i'm going to take a complete
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