Valuetainment - “Lula Will Charm Trump” - Inside Trump & Lula’s Secret Deal To Lift Brazil’s Tariffs

00:00:00.000 They meet in Malaysia, Trump and Lula, and, you know, Trump was somewhat complimentary

00:00:06.720 until one question was asked, and he told that one reporter, none of your business,

00:00:10.980 where she said, are you guys going to talk about Maduro, not Maduro, I'm sorry,

00:00:15.660 are you guys going to talk about Bolsonaro, previous president?

00:00:18.520 He says, none of your business.

00:00:19.540 I think right there at the bottom, Rob, that's the one.

00:00:21.660 Go up a little bit more.

00:00:22.780 Is that the one that, how many days ago is that, October 25th?

00:00:26.580 Is he talking about Bolsonaro?

00:00:28.360 No.

00:00:28.580 So they met together.

00:00:30.080 Now, you know, Brazil has a guy that I would say, some may say more powerful than Lula is,

00:00:39.440 Alexandre de Moraes, who comes out and kind of figures out who can beat Bolsonaro,

00:00:44.180 goes back, Operation Car Wash, you reported on it many times,

00:00:47.860 a few hundred million dollars of money that was stolen,

00:00:49.940 a couple of billionaires I think went to jail,

00:00:51.600 a couple of guys that were worth 10, 20 billion dollars,

00:00:53.320 one guy was worth a couple of billion dollars,

00:00:55.360 and brings him out, they beat Bolsonaro,

00:00:59.940 Bolsonaro is now in very, you know, dire...

00:01:03.880 Going to prison.

00:01:04.220 Yeah, going to prison.

00:01:05.460 What do you think about this relationship with Lula and Trump today?

00:01:08.540 And they're saying something's going to happen, we're going to get a deal done.

00:01:11.540 All right, so a couple things.

00:01:13.260 One thing is, regardless of what you think of Lula's politics,

00:01:16.120 he's a generational political talent, kind of like you can say that Obama.

00:01:18.640 I mean, he's been around for a long time, he was hated when he first ran,

00:01:22.320 Brazil was not a left-wing country.

00:01:24.560 I've never met a person with more visceral charisma than Lula.

00:01:29.780 The first time I ever interviewed him, after five minutes, I was like,

00:01:32.540 in trance, I was like, wait a minute, you can't, that's not your role here,

00:01:34.800 that's what I do, I had to fight against it.

00:01:36.740 He's incredibly personally charming, like insane, you know,

00:01:40.000 and he's real, he comes from like a genuine background of poverty,

00:01:43.860 you know, nine, he was one of nine kids,

00:01:45.900 he worked in a factory, lost a finger, the whole iconography.

00:01:49.520 He's not to be underestimated in terms of his interpersonal skills,

00:01:53.640 and he charmed Trump.

00:01:54.940 Trump didn't like Lula because Trump loves Bolsonaro,

00:01:57.200 he was, you know, Lula's putting him in prison,

00:01:58.660 Lula's a left-wing figure.

00:02:01.280 After one phone call with Lula, Trump totally changed his tune,

00:02:05.320 and just saying like, yeah, he's a really nice guy,

00:02:08.200 he goes and met with him, and the whole tone changes.

00:02:11.280 The thing is, Lula's not in charge of the country.

00:02:13.540 Lula's a puppet, he's a symbol.

00:02:15.900 There's a center-right faction, kind of like a never-Trump faction.

00:02:19.020 It would be like if, you know, it would be like if Kamala won,

00:02:22.900 a lot of the people who would be running foreign policy would be neocons.

00:02:26.280 You know, it wouldn't be like anything left-wing.

00:02:30.620 And you have Alessandro Meraiz, he's a center-right figure,

00:02:33.540 got appointed by a center-right president, not by the left,

00:02:37.060 who's in charge of the country, censoring people,

00:02:39.860 imprisoning political opponents of Lula.

00:02:42.260 Lula's, you know, acquiescing to it, he's fine with it,

00:02:44.940 but that's, Lula's not where the power resides.

00:02:47.080 Lula is the only person who, Lula was in prison,

00:02:50.320 and the Supreme Court let Lula out of prison.

00:02:52.380 They used my reporting as a pretext,

00:02:54.020 but the real reason they let him out is because

00:02:55.620 they wanted Bolsonaro gone,

00:02:57.300 and there was only one person in that country

00:02:58.760 who had a chance to beat Bolsonaro,

00:03:00.100 and it was Lula.

00:03:01.740 They had to invalidate his conviction to do so,

00:03:04.400 let him out of prison, that's what they did.

00:03:06.640 The thing is, is that Brazil is a very, you know,

00:03:11.020 important country.

00:03:11.880 Geo strategically has tons of oil,

00:03:13.720 has tons of minerals, and Trump wants those.

00:03:17.060 Trump also, as I said, Brazil has moved toward China.

00:03:20.900 Brazil is always, you know, it's in our hemisphere,

00:03:22.680 it's the Monroe Doctrine.

00:03:23.700 You know, we control Latin America.

00:03:27.340 Brazil has moved toward China.

00:03:29.040 Brazil is a founding member of BRICS,

00:03:30.680 which Trump hates and sees a threat.

00:03:33.020 And also, they're imprisoning Bolsonaro

00:03:35.200 in a way that Trump identifies with.

00:03:37.220 He looks at Bolsonaro and sees him as a victim

00:03:38.840 of the same kind of lawfare that victimized Trump.

00:03:41.080 And they're censoring a lot of people on the right,

00:03:44.000 including people who,

00:03:45.700 there's a lot of ties between MAGA world

00:03:47.420 and the Brazilian right, between Bolsonaro and Isha.

00:03:49.420 So you have people in the State Department,

00:03:51.680 in the White House, who hate Lula and Moraes,

00:03:54.840 and so they've imposed sanctions on Brazil,

00:03:57.860 tariffs on Brazil.

00:03:59.040 That were kind of punitive,

00:04:00.000 but also I think it was because of BRICS.

00:04:01.320 But also they sanctioned Alessandro de Moraes

00:04:03.480 and his wife as human rights violators.

00:04:06.020 You know, and so the question is,

00:04:08.800 is the U.S. really going to follow through

00:04:10.040 with this antagonism toward Brazil,

00:04:13.180 or is this going to just all get resolved?

00:04:15.780 Lula wants to resolve it.

00:04:16.820 He's running for re-election next year,

00:04:18.100 needs to resolve it.

00:04:18.880 These tariffs can harm Brazil.

00:04:20.100 His economy already are.

00:04:21.680 And I think Lula's kind of on this kind of offensive. 0.97

00:04:24.080 What do you think Trump's going to ask for?

00:04:25.140 I think they want Brazil to move away from China, 0.99

00:04:28.800 to move more toward the United States

00:04:30.240 in terms of commerce and trade.

00:04:33.580 Lula is a very shrewd political...

00:04:35.660 Here's the thing.

00:04:36.920 On the one hand,

00:04:38.240 Lula was alive,

00:04:39.600 and not just alive,

00:04:40.720 but politically active in the 60s

00:04:42.640 when the U.S. overthrew

00:04:43.580 their democratically elected center-left government

00:04:45.540 and imposed a right-wing military dictatorship.

00:04:47.360 And the entire Brazilian left 1.00

00:04:50.100 views that as the worst thing

00:04:52.260 that ever happened to Brazilian history

00:04:53.600 and blames the United States for it

00:04:54.900 for not unreasonable reasons.

00:04:58.040 So Lula naturally has an instinct

00:05:00.440 toward resisting U.S. involvement,

00:05:03.600 resisting U.S. interference in the country.

00:05:07.120 That's why when there were tariffs,

00:05:08.640 what really helped Lula

00:05:09.640 is he raised this nationalistic flag.

00:05:11.680 Like, Brazilians determine Brazil. 0.94

00:05:13.800 Who cares what Trump says about our...

00:05:15.520 We're going to let our justice system 0.63

00:05:17.440 go against Bolsonaro.

00:05:18.680 He adopted this very nationalistic posture,

00:05:21.180 which helped him politically.

00:05:22.480 On the other hand,

00:05:24.160 he's always had very good relationships

00:05:25.660 with the U.S.,

00:05:26.780 very close to the Obama administration.

00:05:28.720 Obama loved him.

00:05:29.620 Biden loved him.

00:05:31.040 The CIA went to Brazil.

00:05:32.160 Obama said something

00:05:32.920 extremely complimentary to him.

00:05:34.580 He said, basically...

00:05:35.580 You're the greatest politician

00:05:36.400 of our generation,

00:05:37.240 something like that.

00:05:37.740 Because when Lula left the presidency

00:05:40.220 after being termed out of office in 2010,

00:05:43.000 his approval rating was like 86%.

00:05:45.500 Brazil, those two terms under Lula,

00:05:48.600 Brazil exploded economically.

00:05:50.960 Passed the U.K.

00:05:51.920 as the sixth largest economy.

00:05:53.560 Not necessarily because of Lula,

00:05:54.740 but you know,

00:05:55.080 you're the president,

00:05:55.580 you get credit.

00:05:56.620 Also introduced some

00:05:57.460 really interesting social benefits.

00:05:59.780 Like, it's called Bolsa Familia.

00:06:01.080 The poorest people get a monthly payment,

00:06:03.280 but only if they prove

00:06:04.320 their kids are going to school every day.

00:06:06.780 Like, they have to get vaccinated,

00:06:08.060 they have to go to the doctor.

00:06:08.960 You know, the mothers have, like, 0.98

00:06:09.800 an obligation in order to get the money.

00:06:11.400 It's not just a free handout.

00:06:13.180 And, you know,

00:06:13.660 even kind of like neoliberals

00:06:15.300 praise this kind of social program

00:06:16.720 because it's not just a handout.

00:06:17.840 It's forcing citizens

00:06:19.020 to demonstrate responsibility.

00:06:20.680 But it helped lift people out of poverty.

00:06:22.620 So yeah, Obama went and said,

00:06:23.600 this is the guy

00:06:24.100 who is the greatest politician

00:06:25.140 on the planet.

00:06:25.660 It figured out, exactly.

00:06:26.960 And so the U.S.

00:06:27.580 has always done business with Brazil.

00:06:28.700 Very close relationship,

00:06:29.720 despite all this anti-American rhetoric.

00:06:32.040 So I think Lula is going to,

00:06:33.920 you know,

00:06:34.320 he's going to get these tariffs gone.

00:06:36.620 He's going to give Trump what he wants

00:06:38.180 in combination with charming Trump.

00:06:39.440 The question is,

00:06:41.200 I think Trump's just not very worked up

00:06:43.760 over Brazil.

00:06:45.280 Like, it kind of bores him

00:06:46.300 is the sense I get.

00:06:47.380 There are a lot of people

00:06:48.320 I know very well

00:06:49.720 at very high levels

00:06:50.480 of the Trump administration

00:06:51.300 who are fanatical about

00:06:53.160 the abuses in Brazil

00:06:54.200 and want U.S. power applied 0.61

00:06:56.080 to stop it.

00:06:57.540 I just don't know

00:06:58.140 if Trump is going to override that,

00:07:00.660 if he's going to care enough,

00:07:02.420 if he's going to just delegate it

00:07:03.440 to Marco Rubio and Scott Bassett

00:07:05.140 and let them try and figure it out

00:07:06.760 without, you know,

00:07:07.620 I don't know what's going to happen,

00:07:09.420 but I know Lula's going to

00:07:10.360 absolutely do everything possible.

00:07:12.620 It's funny,

00:07:13.120 when Lula meets with Trump,

00:07:14.120 it's barely noticed in the U.S.

00:07:15.680 It's like headline news in Brazil

00:07:17.500 for the entire week

00:07:18.660 because it's such a crucial part

00:07:19.760 of the relationship in Brazil

00:07:20.500 for the U.S.

00:07:21.720 Absolutely,

00:07:22.380 especially those two.

00:07:24.100 If Lula meets with Biden,

00:07:25.560 who cares?

00:07:26.680 Lula meets with Trump?

00:07:28.400 So the question,

00:07:29.500 I'm actually really curious

00:07:30.700 to know what the asks

00:07:31.360 are going to be in exchange

00:07:32.320 to make the tariff relationship better.

00:07:35.220 I'm actually very curious.

00:07:36.440 They have minerals,

00:07:37.540 like, you know,

00:07:38.240 vital minerals.

00:07:39.320 Do you think anything's going to be,

00:07:40.260 you've got to let,

00:07:41.720 leave Bolsonaro out?

00:07:43.640 Do you think anything's going to be with that?

00:07:45.160 Because everybody knows

00:07:46.580 Alexandre de Moraes is running Brazil.

00:07:48.320 Everybody knows

00:07:48.860 he's the most powerful guy. 0.99

00:07:49.800 And he's crazy. 0.94

00:07:51.220 He doesn't care about, 0.99

00:07:52.520 he'll sacrifice the whole country

00:07:54.480 to continue his crusade.

00:07:56.440 So who cares what you agree with Lula?

00:07:59.100 Alexandre is not going away.

00:08:00.360 How old is Alexandre?

00:08:01.520 63?

00:08:02.720 64?

00:08:03.240 Yeah, he's young, healthy.

00:08:04.180 How old is he?

00:08:05.920 Yeah, he's maybe in his late 50s.

00:08:08.400 Oh my God.

00:08:09.140 56, yeah.

00:08:10.440 56 years old.

00:08:11.540 This guy's good.

00:08:12.080 He was just appointed five years ago.

00:08:13.520 Yeah, I mean,

00:08:14.080 the story of how it was conflicted

00:08:17.040 because at one point

00:08:17.880 some people were like,

00:08:18.680 well, I think he's good.

00:08:19.960 I don't know.

00:08:20.520 And then boom,

00:08:20.960 he comes out of nowhere.

00:08:21.760 And then now they got the control

00:08:24.020 of Supreme Court.

00:08:24.840 I don't even know what the number is.

00:08:25.840 80% they got control of the Supreme.

00:08:27.680 They own majority of Congress,

00:08:29.360 majority of, you know, Senate.

00:08:31.480 And even, but again,

00:08:34.040 this is not a left-wing faction

00:08:35.500 running Brazil.

00:08:36.340 This is a center, center-right faction,

00:08:39.200 but the kind that hates Bolsonaro

00:08:41.060 in the way that that center-right faction

00:08:42.920 hated Trump.

00:08:43.420 Who's the guy's name?

00:08:43.640 What's the guy's name

00:08:44.300 that they can always be bought?

00:08:45.320 He's on the middle

00:08:45.880 and he can flip either side

00:08:47.000 if they give him something.

00:08:48.220 What's that party called in Brazil?

00:08:49.640 Well, it's a central.

00:08:50.820 It's like the faction.

00:08:51.500 I know, central.

00:08:52.140 Who is the main guy?

00:08:53.020 Campos?

00:08:53.440 Who's the guy at the top?

00:08:54.380 The guy that's at the top

00:08:55.860 of that party.

00:08:57.400 Who is, who's,

00:08:58.260 what's the political party called?

00:09:00.080 Well, there's, there's,

00:09:01.380 it's central is composed of many

00:09:02.560 like União Brasil, PSDB.

00:09:04.780 Can you go to it, Rob?

00:09:05.960 PMBD.

00:09:06.680 I don't know who you mean

00:09:08.220 by like the main.

00:09:10.980 Liberal party,

00:09:11.480 not Liberal Party,

00:09:12.220 Workers' Party.

00:09:13.140 No, Brazil Union,

00:09:13.960 União Brasil is part of,

00:09:15.160 is part of the central.

00:09:17.480 Is part of the central.

00:09:18.800 You know, they have like

00:09:19.640 a Speaker of the House

00:09:21.440 and a President of the Senate

00:09:22.940 who are both pretty transactional

00:09:24.240 part of the central.

00:09:25.060 Central runs the Congress.

00:09:27.480 They're very transactional.

00:09:28.220 That's what I was talking about.

00:09:29.700 Can you click on it?

00:09:30.820 Gilberto Casab is like a deal maker

00:09:32.180 that depending on which political party,

00:09:34.020 he typically ends up becoming

00:09:35.160 the final decision maker.

00:09:37.160 The PSD is like

00:09:38.920 the center left party.

00:09:40.080 It's not really

00:09:40.620 a center right party.

00:09:41.460 It's a center left party.

00:09:43.540 I wouldn't put it that way,

00:09:45.140 but yes,

00:09:45.700 he's a very important,

00:09:46.680 powerful figure.

00:09:47.580 But, but what I want to stress

00:09:48.620 like Bolsonaro's,

00:09:50.580 Lula's Vice President

00:09:51.500 is Geraldo Alckmin

00:09:53.660 who was the former mayor

00:09:54.340 of Sao Paulo,

00:09:55.120 ran against Lula,

00:09:56.400 was part of this

00:09:57.100 center right party,

00:09:57.800 kind of like the Republicans

00:09:58.420 and Democrats.

00:09:58.920 It would be like

00:09:59.580 if Biden chose

00:10:01.600 Paul Ryan

00:10:02.540 as his Vice President.

00:10:04.040 It was a,

00:10:04.700 it's an establishment union

00:10:06.240 against the Bolsonaro movement.

00:10:08.100 And that's who really

00:10:09.160 is in control

00:10:09.620 as the center right.

00:10:10.160 What do you think is going to happen

00:10:10.360 to Bolsonaro?

00:10:11.280 I think he's going to go to prison.

00:10:12.300 I think Trump's going to,

00:10:12.980 I don't think Trump is willing

00:10:14.320 to sacrifice everything

00:10:16.360 in the Brazil-U.S. relationship

00:10:17.900 to save Bolsonaro.

00:10:18.840 I think Bolsonaro's

00:10:19.720 going to go to prison.

00:10:20.880 You're kidding me.

00:10:22.020 Bolsonaro is,

00:10:22.900 by the way,

00:10:23.860 he is extremely ill.

00:10:25.280 You know,

00:10:25.740 he,

00:10:26.040 in 2018,

00:10:27.760 when he was ranked president,

00:10:28.440 he got stabbed.

00:10:29.400 He became very close to dying.

00:10:30.540 His entire intestinal system

00:10:31.780 was cut up.

00:10:33.360 He's very physically ailing,

00:10:36.180 psychologically ailing.

00:10:37.940 He's,

00:10:38.280 I think he's going to go to prison.

00:10:39.540 And I don't think

00:10:40.160 Trump's going to save him.

00:10:41.060 Trump probably,

00:10:41.900 maybe Trump,

00:10:42.700 I mean,

00:10:42.900 of course Trump could.

00:10:43.820 He has to.

00:10:44.720 He has,

00:10:45.240 what I mean by has to

00:10:46.540 is not like,

00:10:47.660 I'm coming from

00:10:48.880 an emotional place.

00:10:50.360 What I'm saying is

00:10:51.120 he has to is,

00:10:52.700 Bolsonaro's camp,

00:10:55.180 everywhere you go

00:10:56.260 that there's a Trump event,

00:10:57.660 they're everywhere.

00:10:58.980 They're everywhere.

00:11:00.160 And they're very much

00:11:01.520 supportive

00:11:02.660 and good to Trump.

00:11:04.340 Totally.

00:11:04.900 No.

00:11:05.300 The Brazilian,

00:11:05.900 but let me,

00:11:06.520 Nicolas Ferreria,

00:11:07.320 you got Eduardo,

00:11:08.220 you got,

00:11:08.720 absolutely.

00:11:09.660 They love Trump.

00:11:10.460 But let me ask you this.

00:11:11.380 Just be honest.

00:11:12.540 Like,

00:11:12.740 I know you will be.

00:11:13.940 Let's say you're in a foreign country 0.99

00:11:15.500 and the political class

00:11:17.500 wants you imprisoned.

00:11:19.160 And Trump says,

00:11:20.100 yeah,

00:11:20.300 I like that guy.

00:11:21.280 You're friends with Trump.

00:11:22.320 You know that Trump likes you.

00:11:24.040 But the political class is saying,

00:11:25.620 hey,

00:11:25.760 Trump,

00:11:26.180 let's do deals.

00:11:27.140 All these deals here.

00:11:28.360 Money,

00:11:28.780 money,

00:11:29.820 geostrat,

00:11:30.500 strategic advantage,

00:11:31.640 advantage over China.

00:11:33.240 Forget,

00:11:33.640 forget that guy.

00:11:34.340 He's old.

00:11:34.940 We need to send him to prison.

00:11:36.580 Do you trust Trump?

00:11:37.640 Do you feel like 100%

00:11:38.800 you're not going to prison

00:11:39.580 because Trump's going to stand

00:11:40.520 in your defense?

00:11:42.020 Or do you think

00:11:42.800 you're going to be

00:11:43.320 possibly thrown to the wayside?

00:11:44.820 I think it all depends

00:11:47.120 on

00:11:48.260 what

00:11:50.300 and who he needs

00:11:53.900 for the next phase

00:11:55.260 and who has been

00:11:56.520 very loyal to him.

00:11:58.000 He'll protect the guys

00:11:59.260 that have been

00:11:59.680 very loyal to him.

00:12:01.620 You know,

00:12:01.840 and what I mean by this is,

00:12:04.000 you know,

00:12:05.160 even if you think about

00:12:08.440 some of the guys,

00:12:08.900 because he's very,

00:12:09.480 like we talked about earlier,

00:12:10.420 the unpredictable side.

00:12:11.540 I'd put him 50-50,

00:12:12.860 but I would be,

00:12:13.920 if I was him

00:12:15.280 trying to do the deal,

00:12:16.540 the deal for me would be,

00:12:18.240 I would do X, Y, Z.

00:12:20.100 You have to leave

00:12:20.960 Bolsonaro out.

00:12:22.000 Here's why.

00:12:23.100 If Bolsonaro is sick,

00:12:25.140 as you say he is,

00:12:26.840 who cares if

00:12:28.060 you let him out?

00:12:29.220 He's not going to be able

00:12:29.780 to compete with you anyways.

00:12:30.900 And the reason why

00:12:31.560 I would trust that,

00:12:33.020 that he would do that,

00:12:34.000 is

00:12:34.400 because I do think

00:12:37.440 in 2036,

00:12:39.060 Nicolas

00:12:40.420 is going to run

00:12:42.200 and if he

00:12:43.160 is around

00:12:44.060 because they really,

00:12:45.020 he gets a lot of threats.

00:12:46.920 If he's around,

00:12:48.560 do you know

00:12:48.920 what kind of use

00:12:49.460 Nicolas gets

00:12:50.060 when he gets out there

00:12:50.720 and talks on Instagram?

00:12:51.800 You know?

00:12:52.140 Yeah.

00:12:52.420 I mean,

00:12:52.860 it's mega.

00:12:53.620 I mean,

00:12:53.900 he did one video

00:12:55.100 that single-handedly

00:12:56.540 tanked Lula's approval rating

00:12:58.400 about this proposed tax

00:13:00.300 on this system of...

00:13:02.060 One of his videos

00:13:02.340 got 350 million views this year.

00:13:04.460 No,

00:13:04.720 Nicolas is incredibly,

00:13:06.960 he's a superstar

00:13:07.540 in terms of social media.

00:13:08.920 the way I see it is,

00:13:10.260 I see it as

00:13:11.340 him

00:13:12.260 protecting

00:13:14.280 Bolsonaro,

00:13:15.980 knowing his health

00:13:16.840 is not going to allow him

00:13:17.600 to run,

00:13:18.580 is indirectly helping Nicolas

00:13:20.420 because Nicolas

00:13:21.260 is going to come out

00:13:22.220 and play the role

00:13:24.320 of a flag carrier

00:13:25.080 and the Bolsonaro camp

00:13:26.800 is going to go to him.

00:13:28.180 I think this guy

00:13:28.860 is a one-sin a generation

00:13:30.540 type of guy.

00:13:31.820 Unquestionably.

00:13:32.400 Unquestionably.

00:13:32.940 His political talent

00:13:33.740 is insane.

00:13:34.380 And Lula, by the way. 0.97

00:13:35.080 No, I mean,

00:13:35.620 it's different.

00:13:36.560 I mean, but like,

00:13:37.260 no, and he's very shrewd,

00:13:39.140 very shrewd,

00:13:39.880 very smart.

00:13:40.780 But the thing is,

00:13:41.500 just quickly,

00:13:42.420 I'm not saying Bolsonaro

00:13:43.100 is terminal.

00:13:43.640 I just want to be clear.

00:13:44.420 I think part of why

00:13:45.420 he's so ill

00:13:45.880 is because of the

00:13:46.800 psychological stress

00:13:47.540 that he's about

00:13:47.880 to go to prison.

00:13:48.940 I think a lot

00:13:49.860 of the Bolsonaro movement

00:13:50.480 wants him to run

00:13:51.440 in 2026

00:13:52.100 and polls show

00:13:52.800 he definitely

00:13:53.320 would have a good chance.

00:13:54.400 That's why

00:13:54.820 they're not going

00:13:55.180 to let him run.

00:13:55.800 That's precisely why.

00:13:57.080 He's not,

00:13:57.620 I think they would easily,

00:13:58.960 right now he's declared

00:13:59.840 ineligible to run

00:14:00.760 for the next eight years.

00:14:01.860 He was already declared

00:14:02.860 ineligible for you

00:14:03.480 if you found guilty

00:14:03.980 of attempting a coup.

00:14:05.800 But I think he would

00:14:06.660 obviously trade,

00:14:07.740 all right,

00:14:07.960 let me at least

00:14:08.780 serve prison term

00:14:09.520 at home

00:14:10.040 or not go to prison

00:14:11.080 in exchange

00:14:11.920 for not running.

00:14:12.760 They do have

00:14:13.440 a pretty formidable guy

00:14:15.400 who's sort of

00:14:16.200 one foot in Bolsonaro movement,

00:14:17.520 one foot in the center right.

00:14:18.780 He's the governor

00:14:19.300 of Sao Paulo.

00:14:20.380 Torsesio Freitas,

00:14:21.380 who could defeat Lula,

00:14:23.080 was, you know,

00:14:23.580 about to be 80.

00:14:24.980 So there are people

00:14:26.820 who could defeat Lula

00:14:27.560 besides Bolsonaro,

00:14:28.700 but Bolsonaro would by far

00:14:30.600 be the biggest political threat.

00:14:31.880 I just,

00:14:33.040 last time I,

00:14:33.740 when I heard Lula with Trump,

00:14:35.200 Trump seemed a little

00:14:36.260 bored with Brazil

00:14:38.180 is how I would put it.

00:14:39.320 Could be.

00:14:40.480 There's a lot on his plate,

00:14:41.540 obviously.

00:14:42.240 And what you're saying

00:14:43.120 with, you know,

00:14:44.400 him putting it on as,

00:14:45.800 hey, you go,

00:14:47.860 Rubio, you handle it,

00:14:48.880 you do that.

00:14:50.100 Again, you said something

00:14:51.100 about a lot of these guys

00:14:52.040 that come here

00:14:52.740 who are maybe born here.

00:14:54.980 And,

00:14:55.500 but their families

00:14:56.420 escaped Cuba

00:14:57.100 or Venezuela,

00:14:57.700 whatever.

00:14:58.080 To them,

00:14:58.520 they have an,

00:14:58.860 I'm from Iran,

00:14:59.680 so I'd like to see Iran

00:15:00.480 be free for me

00:15:01.040 to take my kids over there.

00:15:01.940 And I see that as,

00:15:03.040 you know.

00:15:03.400 Of course,

00:15:03.980 it's natural.

00:15:04.540 It's very natural.

00:15:05.420 I totally get that.

00:15:06.540 And balancing that out,

00:15:09.260 you still,

00:15:10.240 as the individual,

00:15:11.160 have to be America first.

00:15:12.860 Yes.

00:15:13.140 It's like,

00:15:13.520 look,

00:15:13.740 I get it.

00:15:14.820 I understand the nostalgia.

00:15:16.140 I understand emotion.

00:15:17.080 I understand the members

00:15:17.740 of your grandpa,

00:15:18.520 grandma,

00:15:18.780 all this stuff.

00:15:19.600 But guess what,

00:15:20.220 man?

00:15:20.580 You're here.

00:15:20.900 This is your country.

00:15:21.820 This is number one.

00:15:22.200 This is where you're

00:15:23.380 benefiting from.

00:15:24.120 This is the country

00:15:25.680 to which you owe loyalty.

00:15:26.760 I fully get that argument.

00:15:28.260 Hi,

00:15:28.440 everyone.

00:15:28.700 I'm Glenn Greenwald.

00:15:29.460 I am a journalist

00:15:30.280 who covers a lot of issues,

00:15:32.220 including civil liberties

00:15:33.440 and foreign policy

00:15:34.780 and the U.S. security state

00:15:37.080 and domestic politics

00:15:38.400 and Brazil.

00:15:39.960 Also,

00:15:40.400 a lot of people don't know,

00:15:41.000 but I know literally

00:15:41.800 everything about tennis,

00:15:42.880 everything,

00:15:43.260 so you can ask me

00:15:43.700 about that as well.

00:15:44.740 And anyone who wants

00:15:46.080 to ask me questions

00:15:46.900 or connect with me,

00:15:47.520 you can do so on Minect.

00:15:48.940 I have a profile there

00:15:50.200 and I would love

00:15:51.040 to hear from you.

00:15:52.500 After two years

00:15:53.580 of working on this,

00:15:55.820 we have finally pulled it off.

00:15:57.160 And let me tell you

00:15:57.500 what it is.

00:15:58.380 Every time we do

00:15:59.180 the Vol Conference,

00:16:00.000 if you've attended,

00:16:00.780 you know this.

00:16:01.640 I stand up

00:16:02.940 and I speak for probably

00:16:04.180 45 hours

00:16:05.140 is what I do

00:16:05.960 at the Vol Conference.

00:16:07.180 And I love it.

00:16:07.900 I love being around the guys.

00:16:08.920 I love it.

00:16:09.660 But I wear the Ferragamo shoes

00:16:11.760 when I do this.

00:16:12.960 Or I wear some kind

00:16:14.280 of dress shoes.

00:16:15.620 Eventually,

00:16:15.980 for the last 25 years,

00:16:17.600 I've always been on stage

00:16:18.560 walking and I'm like,

00:16:19.240 you know what?

00:16:19.580 I'm sick and tired of it.

00:16:20.760 I want a shoe

00:16:21.820 that I'm comfortable wearing.

00:16:23.520 And here's what I love.

00:16:24.780 I don't like shoes

00:16:25.680 that are so heavy

00:16:26.560 that's a dumbbell.

00:16:27.300 You can use it as a weapon.

00:16:28.580 I don't want that.

00:16:29.220 Like the Xenia,

00:16:29.780 you carry it.

00:16:30.540 I have so many of them,

00:16:31.560 but they're so heavy.

00:16:32.200 Like you can literally curl

00:16:33.220 the Xenia dumbbell,

00:16:34.160 you know,

00:16:34.420 the shoes

00:16:34.820 and you'll get a pump

00:16:35.780 within 30 reps.

00:16:36.880 And I wanted the combination

00:16:38.380 of the Hoka,

00:16:40.080 the On Cloud,

00:16:41.200 the Super Foam

00:16:41.800 because there's a big thing

00:16:42.780 going on right now

00:16:43.360 with the Super Foam

00:16:44.040 where the bottom of the shoe,

00:16:45.800 you wear it,

00:16:46.360 you know which ones

00:16:46.760 I'm talking about,

00:16:47.420 the On Cloud

00:16:47.780 or the Hoka's, right?

00:16:48.540 They're so comfortable.

00:16:49.540 And I said,

00:16:50.240 what if we take luxury

00:16:51.760 and then combine it

00:16:53.380 with the Super Comfort,

00:16:54.700 what would that look like?

00:16:56.160 And let's build it in Italy.

00:16:57.760 So what do we do?

00:16:58.620 We went to Italy.

00:16:59.840 We designed the shoe in Florida.

00:17:01.640 We made the shoe in Italy

00:17:02.940 in five of the factories.

00:17:05.160 We went back and forth

00:17:06.280 God knows how many times.

00:17:07.280 And by the way,

00:17:08.320 the shoes we're about to launch

00:17:09.560 and introduce to you right now

00:17:10.560 where you're going to see

00:17:11.040 the video for the first time.

00:17:12.500 I've been wearing those shoes

00:17:13.560 for the last 22 days

00:17:15.360 straight.

00:17:16.080 I'm wearing them right now.

00:17:16.980 I literally wear it with suits.

00:17:18.760 I wore it yesterday

00:17:19.540 when we went to lunch.

00:17:20.640 I wear it every single day.

00:17:22.080 It's the most comfortable shoes

00:17:23.220 I have.

00:17:24.000 Yet,

00:17:24.680 it's authentic Italian leather wrap.

00:17:26.880 If you don't mind

00:17:27.280 playing the video,

00:17:28.340 go for it.

00:17:29.080 Here's the video

00:17:29.600 of the latest shoe,

00:17:30.640 the FLBs.

00:17:31.920 When we set out

00:17:32.940 to create a shoe

00:17:33.760 that blends comfort,

00:17:35.480 function,

00:17:36.180 and luxury,

00:17:37.560 we had the choice

00:17:38.440 to make it fast.

00:17:39.860 We had the choice

00:17:40.540 to make it cheap.

00:17:41.920 We chose neither.

00:17:43.480 Instead,

00:17:43.820 we chose Tuscaneiro.

00:17:45.820 We chose true Italian craftsmanship.

00:17:48.380 Each pair touched

00:17:49.260 by 50 skilled hands.

00:17:51.240 We chose patience,

00:17:52.680 spending two years

00:17:53.480 perfecting every detail,

00:17:55.140 and we chose

00:17:55.660 the finest quality

00:17:56.720 at every step.

00:17:58.660 Introducing

00:17:59.460 the Future Looks Bright collection.

00:18:02.360 Not rushed,

00:18:03.780 not disposable,

00:18:05.240 not ordinary.

00:18:06.600 Rather,

00:18:07.760 intentional,

00:18:09.340 luxurious,

00:18:10.660 timeless.

00:18:10.920 Boom.

00:18:15.380 There you go.

00:18:16.140 Designed in Florida,

00:18:17.160 100% made in Italy.

00:18:18.980 50 hands touch

00:18:20.220 each shoe that was made,

00:18:21.840 and here's what's unique about it.

00:18:23.120 I want to kind of show this

00:18:23.920 to everybody

00:18:24.280 that knows this,

00:18:25.580 and I've worn pretty much

00:18:26.580 every one of these shoes.

00:18:27.560 So,

00:18:28.080 if you compare this,

00:18:29.200 the Italian leather,

00:18:30.560 of course,

00:18:31.160 it's made in Italy.

00:18:32.240 It's not assembled,

00:18:33.180 made in China,

00:18:34.020 assembled in Italy,

00:18:35.140 100% made in Italy,

00:18:36.300 assembled in Italy.

00:18:37.440 It's FLBs,

00:18:38.680 Berlutis,

00:18:39.320 which are 1840,

00:18:40.760 Fergamos are 895, 1.00

00:18:42.100 Zennias are 1190,

00:18:43.120 and Gucci's are 950.

00:18:44.840 Leather premium lining,

00:18:46.140 all of them except for Gucci.

00:18:48.120 Laceless feature,

00:18:49.200 it's the FLBs,

00:18:50.220 the Berlutis,

00:18:50.940 you have laces,

00:18:52.060 Fergamos laceless,

00:18:53.800 and then you have also

00:18:54.420 the Zennias,

00:18:55.080 and then the Gucci's

00:18:55.760 have the laces.

00:18:56.400 I don't want to wake up

00:18:57.040 in the morning

00:18:57.340 and put laces on.

00:18:57.960 I don't want to get out

00:18:58.440 of the house.

00:18:58.700 Took me three seconds

00:18:59.840 to put my shoes on today.

00:19:01.520 Craftsman,

00:19:02.060 five different Italian factories

00:19:03.940 all made this shoe.

00:19:05.480 Berlutis are the same as us,

00:19:06.600 as well as FLB,

00:19:07.860 but the only shoe,

00:19:09.180 these trainers,

00:19:10.120 the only one in the world today,

00:19:11.700 according to the factories

00:19:12.760 that told me this,

00:19:13.700 in Italy,

00:19:14.500 that has the Super Foam,

00:19:16.000 the only one

00:19:16.920 that has the same Super Foam

00:19:18.200 used in the On Clouds

00:19:19.900 and the Hocus,

00:19:21.200 it's the FLBs,

00:19:22.300 and they're officially out,

00:19:23.480 and you can place the order.

00:19:24.820 Here's a challenge.

00:19:25.980 We only have

00:19:26.880 a thousand of these pairs,

00:19:28.720 and when you say

00:19:29.120 a thousand of these pairs,

00:19:30.200 they start from size,

00:19:31.100 I believe,

00:19:32.100 is it eight?

00:19:33.160 It goes eight,

00:19:34.020 nine,

00:19:34.700 ten,

00:19:35.280 ten and a half,

00:19:35.800 eleven,

00:19:36.360 eleven and a half,

00:19:37.060 twelve,

00:19:37.360 thirteen.

00:19:38.040 Those are the sizes

00:19:38.840 that we have.

00:19:39.800 And the shoes that you can get today,

00:19:41.220 the colors,

00:19:42.240 you have access to,

00:19:43.320 Rob,

00:19:43.460 if you can go back there,

00:19:44.360 you can have access

00:19:44.980 to those browns,

00:19:45.800 which is absolutely beautiful.

00:19:47.660 And by the way,

00:19:48.120 the brown on the bottom,

00:19:49.060 the stitching on the side

00:19:50.460 is a left stitching.

00:19:51.780 If you can change the picture

00:19:52.840 and on the bottom,

00:19:53.440 it says the future looks bright.

00:19:55.860 Look at the white lines

00:19:58.300 on the side.

00:19:59.060 It's beautiful.

00:19:59.880 The only ones we have right now

00:20:01.340 that you can get sent out today

00:20:03.080 are the black and the browns.

00:20:04.920 If you do want the white 0.92

00:20:06.480 to pre-order,

00:20:07.320 I would highly recommend you do so.

00:20:09.320 They're going to come out

00:20:09.920 the second week of December.

00:20:11.360 So the white 0.94

00:20:12.060 and the navy blue

00:20:12.960 comes out the second week

00:20:13.860 of December.

00:20:14.340 The browns 0.98

00:20:14.920 and the blacks 0.98

00:20:15.960 are available.

00:20:17.100 If you believe

00:20:18.000 the future looks bright

00:20:18.880 as much as we do,

00:20:20.280 go place the order.

00:20:21.140 There's nothing like

00:20:22.020 sitting in the boardroom

00:20:23.080 with your trainers

00:20:24.080 and you put your feet

00:20:25.000 over your knee

00:20:25.760 and people look at the bottom

00:20:27.020 of your shoe

00:20:27.400 and it says future looks bright.

00:20:28.700 That's how you get deals done.

00:20:29.740 All right.

00:20:30.080 So they're out.

00:20:30.680 I'm excited to announce it

00:20:31.700 and I'm very happy

00:20:32.820 for people to go sport it.

00:20:34.340 When you get them,

00:20:35.220 take pictures,

00:20:35.860 send it our way.

00:20:36.580 We're going to show

00:20:37.000 all these shoes,

00:20:37.740 all the pictures

00:20:38.180 that are being taken.

00:20:38.900 I already got a bunch

00:20:39.520 of them sent to me

00:20:39.980 on Instagram.

00:20:40.800 Go to vtmerch.com,

00:20:42.180 place your order.

00:20:43.040 It's all over the website.

00:20:44.200 Maybe buy it for your husband, 0.93

00:20:45.560 buy it for your brother,

00:20:46.600 buy it for your coworkers,

00:20:47.900 buy it for your best salespeople

00:20:49.140 if you want to let them know

00:20:50.320 the future looks bright.

00:20:51.380 If you enjoy this video,

00:20:52.260 you want to watch more videos

00:20:53.160 like this, click here.

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Valuetainment - October 29, 2025

“Lula Will Charm Trump” - Inside Trump & Lula’s Secret Deal To Lift Brazil’s Tariffs

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