Valuetainment - October 29, 2025


“Lula Will Charm Trump” - Inside Trump & Lula’s Secret Deal To Lift Brazil’s Tariffs


Episode Stats

Length

20 minutes

Words per Minute

202.41884

Word Count

4,240

Sentence Count

344

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

On today's show, Alex Blumberg joins us to discuss the latest in the Lula vs. Bolsonaro saga, and how Brazil's president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and the President of the United States, Donald Trump s relationship with each other.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 They meet in Malaysia, Trump and Lula, and, you know, Trump was somewhat complimentary
00:00:06.720 until one question was asked, and he told that one reporter, none of your business,
00:00:10.980 where she said, are you guys going to talk about Maduro, not Maduro, I'm sorry,
00:00:15.660 are you guys going to talk about Bolsonaro, previous president?
00:00:18.520 He says, none of your business.
00:00:19.540 I think right there at the bottom, Rob, that's the one.
00:00:21.660 Go up a little bit more.
00:00:22.780 Is that the one that, how many days ago is that, October 25th?
00:00:26.580 Is he talking about Bolsonaro?
00:00:28.360 No.
00:00:28.580 So they met together.
00:00:30.080 Now, you know, Brazil has a guy that I would say, some may say more powerful than Lula is,
00:00:39.440 Alexandre de Moraes, who comes out and kind of figures out who can beat Bolsonaro,
00:00:44.180 goes back, Operation Car Wash, you reported on it many times,
00:00:47.860 a few hundred million dollars of money that was stolen,
00:00:49.940 a couple of billionaires I think went to jail,
00:00:51.600 a couple of guys that were worth 10, 20 billion dollars,
00:00:53.320 one guy was worth a couple of billion dollars,
00:00:55.360 and brings him out, they beat Bolsonaro,
00:00:59.940 Bolsonaro is now in very, you know, dire...
00:01:03.880 Going to prison.
00:01:04.220 Yeah, going to prison.
00:01:05.460 What do you think about this relationship with Lula and Trump today?
00:01:08.540 And they're saying something's going to happen, we're going to get a deal done.
00:01:11.540 All right, so a couple things.
00:01:13.260 One thing is, regardless of what you think of Lula's politics,
00:01:16.120 he's a generational political talent, kind of like you can say that Obama.
00:01:18.640 I mean, he's been around for a long time, he was hated when he first ran,
00:01:22.320 Brazil was not a left-wing country.
00:01:24.560 I've never met a person with more visceral charisma than Lula.
00:01:29.780 The first time I ever interviewed him, after five minutes, I was like,
00:01:32.540 in trance, I was like, wait a minute, you can't, that's not your role here,
00:01:34.800 that's what I do, I had to fight against it.
00:01:36.740 He's incredibly personally charming, like insane, you know,
00:01:40.000 and he's real, he comes from like a genuine background of poverty,
00:01:43.860 you know, nine, he was one of nine kids,
00:01:45.900 he worked in a factory, lost a finger, the whole iconography.
00:01:49.520 He's not to be underestimated in terms of his interpersonal skills,
00:01:53.640 and he charmed Trump.
00:01:54.940 Trump didn't like Lula because Trump loves Bolsonaro,
00:01:57.200 he was, you know, Lula's putting him in prison,
00:01:58.660 Lula's a left-wing figure.
00:02:01.280 After one phone call with Lula, Trump totally changed his tune,
00:02:05.320 and just saying like, yeah, he's a really nice guy,
00:02:08.200 he goes and met with him, and the whole tone changes.
00:02:11.280 The thing is, Lula's not in charge of the country.
00:02:13.540 Lula's a puppet, he's a symbol.
00:02:15.900 There's a center-right faction, kind of like a never-Trump faction.
00:02:19.020 It would be like if, you know, it would be like if Kamala won,
00:02:22.900 a lot of the people who would be running foreign policy would be neocons.
00:02:26.280 You know, it wouldn't be like anything left-wing.
00:02:30.620 And you have Alessandro Meraiz, he's a center-right figure,
00:02:33.540 got appointed by a center-right president, not by the left,
00:02:37.060 who's in charge of the country, censoring people,
00:02:39.860 imprisoning political opponents of Lula.
00:02:42.260 Lula's, you know, acquiescing to it, he's fine with it,
00:02:44.940 but that's, Lula's not where the power resides.
00:02:47.080 Lula is the only person who, Lula was in prison,
00:02:50.320 and the Supreme Court let Lula out of prison.
00:02:52.380 They used my reporting as a pretext,
00:02:54.020 but the real reason they let him out is because
00:02:55.620 they wanted Bolsonaro gone,
00:02:57.300 and there was only one person in that country
00:02:58.760 who had a chance to beat Bolsonaro,
00:03:00.100 and it was Lula.
00:03:01.740 They had to invalidate his conviction to do so,
00:03:04.400 let him out of prison, that's what they did.
00:03:06.640 The thing is, is that Brazil is a very, you know,
00:03:11.020 important country.
00:03:11.880 Geo strategically has tons of oil,
00:03:13.720 has tons of minerals, and Trump wants those.
00:03:17.060 Trump also, as I said, Brazil has moved toward China.
00:03:20.900 Brazil is always, you know, it's in our hemisphere,
00:03:22.680 it's the Monroe Doctrine.
00:03:23.700 You know, we control Latin America.
00:03:27.340 Brazil has moved toward China.
00:03:29.040 Brazil is a founding member of BRICS,
00:03:30.680 which Trump hates and sees a threat.
00:03:33.020 And also, they're imprisoning Bolsonaro
00:03:35.200 in a way that Trump identifies with.
00:03:37.220 He looks at Bolsonaro and sees him as a victim
00:03:38.840 of the same kind of lawfare that victimized Trump.
00:03:41.080 And they're censoring a lot of people on the right,
00:03:44.000 including people who,
00:03:45.700 there's a lot of ties between MAGA world
00:03:47.420 and the Brazilian right, between Bolsonaro and Isha.
00:03:49.420 So you have people in the State Department,
00:03:51.680 in the White House, who hate Lula and Moraes,
00:03:54.840 and so they've imposed sanctions on Brazil,
00:03:57.860 tariffs on Brazil.
00:03:59.040 That were kind of punitive,
00:04:00.000 but also I think it was because of BRICS.
00:04:01.320 But also they sanctioned Alessandro de Moraes
00:04:03.480 and his wife as human rights violators.
00:04:06.020 You know, and so the question is,
00:04:08.800 is the U.S. really going to follow through
00:04:10.040 with this antagonism toward Brazil,
00:04:13.180 or is this going to just all get resolved?
00:04:15.780 Lula wants to resolve it.
00:04:16.820 He's running for re-election next year,
00:04:18.100 needs to resolve it.
00:04:18.880 These tariffs can harm Brazil.
00:04:20.100 His economy already are.
00:04:21.680 And I think Lula's kind of on this kind of offensive.
00:04:24.080 What do you think Trump's going to ask for?
00:04:25.140 I think they want Brazil to move away from China,
00:04:28.800 to move more toward the United States
00:04:30.240 in terms of commerce and trade.
00:04:33.580 Lula is a very shrewd political...
00:04:35.660 Here's the thing.
00:04:36.920 On the one hand,
00:04:38.240 Lula was alive,
00:04:39.600 and not just alive,
00:04:40.720 but politically active in the 60s
00:04:42.640 when the U.S. overthrew
00:04:43.580 their democratically elected center-left government
00:04:45.540 and imposed a right-wing military dictatorship.
00:04:47.360 And the entire Brazilian left
00:04:50.100 views that as the worst thing
00:04:52.260 that ever happened to Brazilian history
00:04:53.600 and blames the United States for it
00:04:54.900 for not unreasonable reasons.
00:04:58.040 So Lula naturally has an instinct
00:05:00.440 toward resisting U.S. involvement,
00:05:03.600 resisting U.S. interference in the country.
00:05:07.120 That's why when there were tariffs,
00:05:08.640 what really helped Lula
00:05:09.640 is he raised this nationalistic flag.
00:05:11.680 Like, Brazilians determine Brazil.
00:05:13.800 Who cares what Trump says about our...
00:05:15.520 We're going to let our justice system
00:05:17.440 go against Bolsonaro.
00:05:18.680 He adopted this very nationalistic posture,
00:05:21.180 which helped him politically.
00:05:22.480 On the other hand,
00:05:24.160 he's always had very good relationships
00:05:25.660 with the U.S.,
00:05:26.780 very close to the Obama administration.
00:05:28.720 Obama loved him.
00:05:29.620 Biden loved him.
00:05:31.040 The CIA went to Brazil.
00:05:32.160 Obama said something
00:05:32.920 extremely complimentary to him.
00:05:34.580 He said, basically...
00:05:35.580 You're the greatest politician
00:05:36.400 of our generation,
00:05:37.240 something like that.
00:05:37.740 Because when Lula left the presidency
00:05:40.220 after being termed out of office in 2010,
00:05:43.000 his approval rating was like 86%.
00:05:45.500 Brazil, those two terms under Lula,
00:05:48.600 Brazil exploded economically.
00:05:50.960 Passed the U.K.
00:05:51.920 as the sixth largest economy.
00:05:53.560 Not necessarily because of Lula,
00:05:54.740 but you know,
00:05:55.080 you're the president,
00:05:55.580 you get credit.
00:05:56.620 Also introduced some
00:05:57.460 really interesting social benefits.
00:05:59.780 Like, it's called Bolsa Familia.
00:06:01.080 The poorest people get a monthly payment,
00:06:03.280 but only if they prove
00:06:04.320 their kids are going to school every day.
00:06:06.780 Like, they have to get vaccinated,
00:06:08.060 they have to go to the doctor.
00:06:08.960 You know, the mothers have, like,
00:06:09.800 an obligation in order to get the money.
00:06:11.400 It's not just a free handout.
00:06:13.180 And, you know,
00:06:13.660 even kind of like neoliberals
00:06:15.300 praise this kind of social program
00:06:16.720 because it's not just a handout.
00:06:17.840 It's forcing citizens
00:06:19.020 to demonstrate responsibility.
00:06:20.680 But it helped lift people out of poverty.
00:06:22.620 So yeah, Obama went and said,
00:06:23.600 this is the guy
00:06:24.100 who is the greatest politician
00:06:25.140 on the planet.
00:06:25.660 It figured out, exactly.
00:06:26.960 And so the U.S.
00:06:27.580 has always done business with Brazil.
00:06:28.700 Very close relationship,
00:06:29.720 despite all this anti-American rhetoric.
00:06:32.040 So I think Lula is going to,
00:06:33.920 you know,
00:06:34.320 he's going to get these tariffs gone.
00:06:36.620 He's going to give Trump what he wants
00:06:38.180 in combination with charming Trump.
00:06:39.440 The question is,
00:06:41.200 I think Trump's just not very worked up
00:06:43.760 over Brazil.
00:06:45.280 Like, it kind of bores him
00:06:46.300 is the sense I get.
00:06:47.380 There are a lot of people
00:06:48.320 I know very well
00:06:49.720 at very high levels
00:06:50.480 of the Trump administration
00:06:51.300 who are fanatical about
00:06:53.160 the abuses in Brazil
00:06:54.200 and want U.S. power applied
00:06:56.080 to stop it.
00:06:57.540 I just don't know
00:06:58.140 if Trump is going to override that,
00:07:00.660 if he's going to care enough,
00:07:02.420 if he's going to just delegate it
00:07:03.440 to Marco Rubio and Scott Bassett
00:07:05.140 and let them try and figure it out
00:07:06.760 without, you know,
00:07:07.620 I don't know what's going to happen,
00:07:09.420 but I know Lula's going to
00:07:10.360 absolutely do everything possible.
00:07:12.620 It's funny,
00:07:13.120 when Lula meets with Trump,
00:07:14.120 it's barely noticed in the U.S.
00:07:15.680 It's like headline news in Brazil
00:07:17.500 for the entire week
00:07:18.660 because it's such a crucial part
00:07:19.760 of the relationship in Brazil
00:07:20.500 for the U.S.
00:07:21.720 Absolutely,
00:07:22.380 especially those two.
00:07:24.100 If Lula meets with Biden,
00:07:25.560 who cares?
00:07:26.680 Lula meets with Trump?
00:07:28.400 So the question,
00:07:29.500 I'm actually really curious
00:07:30.700 to know what the asks
00:07:31.360 are going to be in exchange
00:07:32.320 to make the tariff relationship better.
00:07:35.220 I'm actually very curious.
00:07:36.440 They have minerals,
00:07:37.540 like, you know,
00:07:38.240 vital minerals.
00:07:39.320 Do you think anything's going to be,
00:07:40.260 you've got to let,
00:07:41.720 leave Bolsonaro out?
00:07:43.640 Do you think anything's going to be with that?
00:07:45.160 Because everybody knows
00:07:46.580 Alexandre de Moraes is running Brazil.
00:07:48.320 Everybody knows
00:07:48.860 he's the most powerful guy.
00:07:49.800 And he's crazy.
00:07:51.220 He doesn't care about,
00:07:52.520 he'll sacrifice the whole country
00:07:54.480 to continue his crusade.
00:07:56.440 So who cares what you agree with Lula?
00:07:59.100 Alexandre is not going away.
00:08:00.360 How old is Alexandre?
00:08:01.520 63?
00:08:02.720 64?
00:08:03.240 Yeah, he's young, healthy.
00:08:04.180 How old is he?
00:08:05.920 Yeah, he's maybe in his late 50s.
00:08:08.400 Oh my God.
00:08:09.140 56, yeah.
00:08:10.440 56 years old.
00:08:11.540 This guy's good.
00:08:12.080 He was just appointed five years ago.
00:08:13.520 Yeah, I mean,
00:08:14.080 the story of how it was conflicted
00:08:17.040 because at one point
00:08:17.880 some people were like,
00:08:18.680 well, I think he's good.
00:08:19.960 I don't know.
00:08:20.520 And then boom,
00:08:20.960 he comes out of nowhere.
00:08:21.760 And then now they got the control
00:08:24.020 of Supreme Court.
00:08:24.840 I don't even know what the number is.
00:08:25.840 80% they got control of the Supreme.
00:08:27.680 They own majority of Congress,
00:08:29.360 majority of, you know, Senate.
00:08:31.480 And even, but again,
00:08:34.040 this is not a left-wing faction
00:08:35.500 running Brazil.
00:08:36.340 This is a center, center-right faction,
00:08:39.200 but the kind that hates Bolsonaro
00:08:41.060 in the way that that center-right faction
00:08:42.920 hated Trump.
00:08:43.420 Who's the guy's name?
00:08:43.640 What's the guy's name
00:08:44.300 that they can always be bought?
00:08:45.320 He's on the middle
00:08:45.880 and he can flip either side
00:08:47.000 if they give him something.
00:08:48.220 What's that party called in Brazil?
00:08:49.640 Well, it's a central.
00:08:50.820 It's like the faction.
00:08:51.500 I know, central.
00:08:52.140 Who is the main guy?
00:08:53.020 Campos?
00:08:53.440 Who's the guy at the top?
00:08:54.380 The guy that's at the top
00:08:55.860 of that party.
00:08:57.400 Who is, who's,
00:08:58.260 what's the political party called?
00:09:00.080 Well, there's, there's,
00:09:01.380 it's central is composed of many
00:09:02.560 like UniĂŁo Brasil, PSDB.
00:09:04.780 Can you go to it, Rob?
00:09:05.960 PMBD.
00:09:06.680 I don't know who you mean
00:09:08.220 by like the main.
00:09:10.980 Liberal party,
00:09:11.480 not Liberal Party,
00:09:12.220 Workers' Party.
00:09:13.140 No, Brazil Union,
00:09:13.960 UniĂŁo Brasil is part of,
00:09:15.160 is part of the central.
00:09:17.480 Is part of the central.
00:09:18.800 You know, they have like
00:09:19.640 a Speaker of the House
00:09:21.440 and a President of the Senate
00:09:22.940 who are both pretty transactional
00:09:24.240 part of the central.
00:09:25.060 Central runs the Congress.
00:09:27.480 They're very transactional.
00:09:28.220 That's what I was talking about.
00:09:29.700 Can you click on it?
00:09:30.820 Gilberto Casab is like a deal maker
00:09:32.180 that depending on which political party,
00:09:34.020 he typically ends up becoming
00:09:35.160 the final decision maker.
00:09:37.160 The PSD is like
00:09:38.920 the center left party.
00:09:40.080 It's not really
00:09:40.620 a center right party.
00:09:41.460 It's a center left party.
00:09:43.540 I wouldn't put it that way,
00:09:45.140 but yes,
00:09:45.700 he's a very important,
00:09:46.680 powerful figure.
00:09:47.580 But, but what I want to stress
00:09:48.620 like Bolsonaro's,
00:09:50.580 Lula's Vice President
00:09:51.500 is Geraldo Alckmin
00:09:53.660 who was the former mayor
00:09:54.340 of Sao Paulo,
00:09:55.120 ran against Lula,
00:09:56.400 was part of this
00:09:57.100 center right party,
00:09:57.800 kind of like the Republicans
00:09:58.420 and Democrats.
00:09:58.920 It would be like
00:09:59.580 if Biden chose
00:10:01.600 Paul Ryan
00:10:02.540 as his Vice President.
00:10:04.040 It was a,
00:10:04.700 it's an establishment union
00:10:06.240 against the Bolsonaro movement.
00:10:08.100 And that's who really
00:10:09.160 is in control
00:10:09.620 as the center right.
00:10:10.160 What do you think is going to happen
00:10:10.360 to Bolsonaro?
00:10:11.280 I think he's going to go to prison.
00:10:12.300 I think Trump's going to,
00:10:12.980 I don't think Trump is willing
00:10:14.320 to sacrifice everything
00:10:16.360 in the Brazil-U.S. relationship
00:10:17.900 to save Bolsonaro.
00:10:18.840 I think Bolsonaro's
00:10:19.720 going to go to prison.
00:10:20.880 You're kidding me.
00:10:22.020 Bolsonaro is,
00:10:22.900 by the way,
00:10:23.860 he is extremely ill.
00:10:25.280 You know,
00:10:25.740 he,
00:10:26.040 in 2018,
00:10:27.760 when he was ranked president,
00:10:28.440 he got stabbed.
00:10:29.400 He became very close to dying.
00:10:30.540 His entire intestinal system
00:10:31.780 was cut up.
00:10:33.360 He's very physically ailing,
00:10:36.180 psychologically ailing.
00:10:37.940 He's,
00:10:38.280 I think he's going to go to prison.
00:10:39.540 And I don't think
00:10:40.160 Trump's going to save him.
00:10:41.060 Trump probably,
00:10:41.900 maybe Trump,
00:10:42.700 I mean,
00:10:42.900 of course Trump could.
00:10:43.820 He has to.
00:10:44.720 He has,
00:10:45.240 what I mean by has to
00:10:46.540 is not like,
00:10:47.660 I'm coming from
00:10:48.880 an emotional place.
00:10:50.360 What I'm saying is
00:10:51.120 he has to is,
00:10:52.700 Bolsonaro's camp,
00:10:55.180 everywhere you go
00:10:56.260 that there's a Trump event,
00:10:57.660 they're everywhere.
00:10:58.980 They're everywhere.
00:11:00.160 And they're very much
00:11:01.520 supportive
00:11:02.660 and good to Trump.
00:11:04.340 Totally.
00:11:04.900 No.
00:11:05.300 The Brazilian,
00:11:05.900 but let me,
00:11:06.520 Nicolas Ferreria,
00:11:07.320 you got Eduardo,
00:11:08.220 you got,
00:11:08.720 absolutely.
00:11:09.660 They love Trump.
00:11:10.460 But let me ask you this.
00:11:11.380 Just be honest.
00:11:12.540 Like,
00:11:12.740 I know you will be.
00:11:13.940 Let's say you're in a foreign country
00:11:15.500 and the political class
00:11:17.500 wants you imprisoned.
00:11:19.160 And Trump says,
00:11:20.100 yeah,
00:11:20.300 I like that guy.
00:11:21.280 You're friends with Trump.
00:11:22.320 You know that Trump likes you.
00:11:24.040 But the political class is saying,
00:11:25.620 hey,
00:11:25.760 Trump,
00:11:26.180 let's do deals.
00:11:27.140 All these deals here.
00:11:28.360 Money,
00:11:28.780 money,
00:11:29.820 geostrat,
00:11:30.500 strategic advantage,
00:11:31.640 advantage over China.
00:11:33.240 Forget,
00:11:33.640 forget that guy.
00:11:34.340 He's old.
00:11:34.940 We need to send him to prison.
00:11:36.580 Do you trust Trump?
00:11:37.640 Do you feel like 100%
00:11:38.800 you're not going to prison
00:11:39.580 because Trump's going to stand
00:11:40.520 in your defense?
00:11:42.020 Or do you think
00:11:42.800 you're going to be
00:11:43.320 possibly thrown to the wayside?
00:11:44.820 I think it all depends
00:11:47.120 on
00:11:48.260 what
00:11:50.300 and who he needs
00:11:53.900 for the next phase
00:11:55.260 and who has been
00:11:56.520 very loyal to him.
00:11:58.000 He'll protect the guys
00:11:59.260 that have been
00:11:59.680 very loyal to him.
00:12:01.620 You know,
00:12:01.840 and what I mean by this is,
00:12:04.000 you know,
00:12:05.160 even if you think about
00:12:08.440 some of the guys,
00:12:08.900 because he's very,
00:12:09.480 like we talked about earlier,
00:12:10.420 the unpredictable side.
00:12:11.540 I'd put him 50-50,
00:12:12.860 but I would be,
00:12:13.920 if I was him
00:12:15.280 trying to do the deal,
00:12:16.540 the deal for me would be,
00:12:18.240 I would do X, Y, Z.
00:12:20.100 You have to leave
00:12:20.960 Bolsonaro out.
00:12:22.000 Here's why.
00:12:23.100 If Bolsonaro is sick,
00:12:25.140 as you say he is,
00:12:26.840 who cares if
00:12:28.060 you let him out?
00:12:29.220 He's not going to be able
00:12:29.780 to compete with you anyways.
00:12:30.900 And the reason why
00:12:31.560 I would trust that,
00:12:33.020 that he would do that,
00:12:34.000 is
00:12:34.400 because I do think
00:12:37.440 in 2036,
00:12:39.060 Nicolas
00:12:40.420 is going to run
00:12:42.200 and if he
00:12:43.160 is around
00:12:44.060 because they really,
00:12:45.020 he gets a lot of threats.
00:12:46.920 If he's around,
00:12:48.560 do you know
00:12:48.920 what kind of use
00:12:49.460 Nicolas gets
00:12:50.060 when he gets out there
00:12:50.720 and talks on Instagram?
00:12:51.800 You know?
00:12:52.140 Yeah.
00:12:52.420 I mean,
00:12:52.860 it's mega.
00:12:53.620 I mean,
00:12:53.900 he did one video
00:12:55.100 that single-handedly
00:12:56.540 tanked Lula's approval rating
00:12:58.400 about this proposed tax
00:13:00.300 on this system of...
00:13:02.060 One of his videos
00:13:02.340 got 350 million views this year.
00:13:04.460 No,
00:13:04.720 Nicolas is incredibly,
00:13:06.960 he's a superstar
00:13:07.540 in terms of social media.
00:13:08.920 the way I see it is,
00:13:10.260 I see it as
00:13:11.340 him
00:13:12.260 protecting
00:13:14.280 Bolsonaro,
00:13:15.980 knowing his health
00:13:16.840 is not going to allow him
00:13:17.600 to run,
00:13:18.580 is indirectly helping Nicolas
00:13:20.420 because Nicolas
00:13:21.260 is going to come out
00:13:22.220 and play the role
00:13:24.320 of a flag carrier
00:13:25.080 and the Bolsonaro camp
00:13:26.800 is going to go to him.
00:13:28.180 I think this guy
00:13:28.860 is a one-sin a generation
00:13:30.540 type of guy.
00:13:31.820 Unquestionably.
00:13:32.400 Unquestionably.
00:13:32.940 His political talent
00:13:33.740 is insane.
00:13:34.380 And Lula, by the way.
00:13:35.080 No, I mean,
00:13:35.620 it's different.
00:13:36.560 I mean, but like,
00:13:37.260 no, and he's very shrewd,
00:13:39.140 very shrewd,
00:13:39.880 very smart.
00:13:40.780 But the thing is,
00:13:41.500 just quickly,
00:13:42.420 I'm not saying Bolsonaro
00:13:43.100 is terminal.
00:13:43.640 I just want to be clear.
00:13:44.420 I think part of why
00:13:45.420 he's so ill
00:13:45.880 is because of the
00:13:46.800 psychological stress
00:13:47.540 that he's about
00:13:47.880 to go to prison.
00:13:48.940 I think a lot
00:13:49.860 of the Bolsonaro movement
00:13:50.480 wants him to run
00:13:51.440 in 2026
00:13:52.100 and polls show
00:13:52.800 he definitely
00:13:53.320 would have a good chance.
00:13:54.400 That's why
00:13:54.820 they're not going
00:13:55.180 to let him run.
00:13:55.800 That's precisely why.
00:13:57.080 He's not,
00:13:57.620 I think they would easily,
00:13:58.960 right now he's declared
00:13:59.840 ineligible to run
00:14:00.760 for the next eight years.
00:14:01.860 He was already declared
00:14:02.860 ineligible for you
00:14:03.480 if you found guilty
00:14:03.980 of attempting a coup.
00:14:05.800 But I think he would
00:14:06.660 obviously trade,
00:14:07.740 all right,
00:14:07.960 let me at least
00:14:08.780 serve prison term
00:14:09.520 at home
00:14:10.040 or not go to prison
00:14:11.080 in exchange
00:14:11.920 for not running.
00:14:12.760 They do have
00:14:13.440 a pretty formidable guy
00:14:15.400 who's sort of
00:14:16.200 one foot in Bolsonaro movement,
00:14:17.520 one foot in the center right.
00:14:18.780 He's the governor
00:14:19.300 of Sao Paulo.
00:14:20.380 Torsesio Freitas,
00:14:21.380 who could defeat Lula,
00:14:23.080 was, you know,
00:14:23.580 about to be 80.
00:14:24.980 So there are people
00:14:26.820 who could defeat Lula
00:14:27.560 besides Bolsonaro,
00:14:28.700 but Bolsonaro would by far
00:14:30.600 be the biggest political threat.
00:14:31.880 I just,
00:14:33.040 last time I,
00:14:33.740 when I heard Lula with Trump,
00:14:35.200 Trump seemed a little
00:14:36.260 bored with Brazil
00:14:38.180 is how I would put it.
00:14:39.320 Could be.
00:14:40.480 There's a lot on his plate,
00:14:41.540 obviously.
00:14:42.240 And what you're saying
00:14:43.120 with, you know,
00:14:44.400 him putting it on as,
00:14:45.800 hey, you go,
00:14:47.860 Rubio, you handle it,
00:14:48.880 you do that.
00:14:50.100 Again, you said something
00:14:51.100 about a lot of these guys
00:14:52.040 that come here
00:14:52.740 who are maybe born here.
00:14:54.980 And,
00:14:55.500 but their families
00:14:56.420 escaped Cuba
00:14:57.100 or Venezuela,
00:14:57.700 whatever.
00:14:58.080 To them,
00:14:58.520 they have an,
00:14:58.860 I'm from Iran,
00:14:59.680 so I'd like to see Iran
00:15:00.480 be free for me
00:15:01.040 to take my kids over there.
00:15:01.940 And I see that as,
00:15:03.040 you know.
00:15:03.400 Of course,
00:15:03.980 it's natural.
00:15:04.540 It's very natural.
00:15:05.420 I totally get that.
00:15:06.540 And balancing that out,
00:15:09.260 you still,
00:15:10.240 as the individual,
00:15:11.160 have to be America first.
00:15:12.860 Yes.
00:15:13.140 It's like,
00:15:13.520 look,
00:15:13.740 I get it.
00:15:14.820 I understand the nostalgia.
00:15:16.140 I understand emotion.
00:15:17.080 I understand the members
00:15:17.740 of your grandpa,
00:15:18.520 grandma,
00:15:18.780 all this stuff.
00:15:19.600 But guess what,
00:15:20.220 man?
00:15:20.580 You're here.
00:15:20.900 This is your country.
00:15:21.820 This is number one.
00:15:22.200 This is where you're
00:15:23.380 benefiting from.
00:15:24.120 This is the country
00:15:25.680 to which you owe loyalty.
00:15:26.760 I fully get that argument.
00:15:28.260 Hi,
00:15:28.440 everyone.
00:15:28.700 I'm Glenn Greenwald.
00:15:29.460 I am a journalist
00:15:30.280 who covers a lot of issues,
00:15:32.220 including civil liberties
00:15:33.440 and foreign policy
00:15:34.780 and the U.S. security state
00:15:37.080 and domestic politics
00:15:38.400 and Brazil.
00:15:39.960 Also,
00:15:40.400 a lot of people don't know,
00:15:41.000 but I know literally
00:15:41.800 everything about tennis,
00:15:42.880 everything,
00:15:43.260 so you can ask me
00:15:43.700 about that as well.
00:15:44.740 And anyone who wants
00:15:46.080 to ask me questions
00:15:46.900 or connect with me,
00:15:47.520 you can do so on Minect.
00:15:48.940 I have a profile there
00:15:50.200 and I would love
00:15:51.040 to hear from you.
00:15:52.500 After two years
00:15:53.580 of working on this,
00:15:55.820 we have finally pulled it off.
00:15:57.160 And let me tell you
00:15:57.500 what it is.
00:15:58.380 Every time we do
00:15:59.180 the Vol Conference,
00:16:00.000 if you've attended,
00:16:00.780 you know this.
00:16:01.640 I stand up
00:16:02.940 and I speak for probably
00:16:04.180 45 hours
00:16:05.140 is what I do
00:16:05.960 at the Vol Conference.
00:16:07.180 And I love it.
00:16:07.900 I love being around the guys.
00:16:08.920 I love it.
00:16:09.660 But I wear the Ferragamo shoes
00:16:11.760 when I do this.
00:16:12.960 Or I wear some kind
00:16:14.280 of dress shoes.
00:16:15.620 Eventually,
00:16:15.980 for the last 25 years,
00:16:17.600 I've always been on stage
00:16:18.560 walking and I'm like,
00:16:19.240 you know what?
00:16:19.580 I'm sick and tired of it.
00:16:20.760 I want a shoe
00:16:21.820 that I'm comfortable wearing.
00:16:23.520 And here's what I love.
00:16:24.780 I don't like shoes
00:16:25.680 that are so heavy
00:16:26.560 that's a dumbbell.
00:16:27.300 You can use it as a weapon.
00:16:28.580 I don't want that.
00:16:29.220 Like the Xenia,
00:16:29.780 you carry it.
00:16:30.540 I have so many of them,
00:16:31.560 but they're so heavy.
00:16:32.200 Like you can literally curl
00:16:33.220 the Xenia dumbbell,
00:16:34.160 you know,
00:16:34.420 the shoes
00:16:34.820 and you'll get a pump
00:16:35.780 within 30 reps.
00:16:36.880 And I wanted the combination
00:16:38.380 of the Hoka,
00:16:40.080 the On Cloud,
00:16:41.200 the Super Foam
00:16:41.800 because there's a big thing
00:16:42.780 going on right now
00:16:43.360 with the Super Foam
00:16:44.040 where the bottom of the shoe,
00:16:45.800 you wear it,
00:16:46.360 you know which ones
00:16:46.760 I'm talking about,
00:16:47.420 the On Cloud
00:16:47.780 or the Hoka's, right?
00:16:48.540 They're so comfortable.
00:16:49.540 And I said,
00:16:50.240 what if we take luxury
00:16:51.760 and then combine it
00:16:53.380 with the Super Comfort,
00:16:54.700 what would that look like?
00:16:56.160 And let's build it in Italy.
00:16:57.760 So what do we do?
00:16:58.620 We went to Italy.
00:16:59.840 We designed the shoe in Florida.
00:17:01.640 We made the shoe in Italy
00:17:02.940 in five of the factories.
00:17:05.160 We went back and forth
00:17:06.280 God knows how many times.
00:17:07.280 And by the way,
00:17:08.320 the shoes we're about to launch
00:17:09.560 and introduce to you right now
00:17:10.560 where you're going to see
00:17:11.040 the video for the first time.
00:17:12.500 I've been wearing those shoes
00:17:13.560 for the last 22 days
00:17:15.360 straight.
00:17:16.080 I'm wearing them right now.
00:17:16.980 I literally wear it with suits.
00:17:18.760 I wore it yesterday
00:17:19.540 when we went to lunch.
00:17:20.640 I wear it every single day.
00:17:22.080 It's the most comfortable shoes
00:17:23.220 I have.
00:17:24.000 Yet,
00:17:24.680 it's authentic Italian leather wrap.
00:17:26.880 If you don't mind
00:17:27.280 playing the video,
00:17:28.340 go for it.
00:17:29.080 Here's the video
00:17:29.600 of the latest shoe,
00:17:30.640 the FLBs.
00:17:31.920 When we set out
00:17:32.940 to create a shoe
00:17:33.760 that blends comfort,
00:17:35.480 function,
00:17:36.180 and luxury,
00:17:37.560 we had the choice
00:17:38.440 to make it fast.
00:17:39.860 We had the choice
00:17:40.540 to make it cheap.
00:17:41.920 We chose neither.
00:17:43.480 Instead,
00:17:43.820 we chose Tuscaneiro.
00:17:45.820 We chose true Italian craftsmanship.
00:17:48.380 Each pair touched
00:17:49.260 by 50 skilled hands.
00:17:51.240 We chose patience,
00:17:52.680 spending two years
00:17:53.480 perfecting every detail,
00:17:55.140 and we chose
00:17:55.660 the finest quality
00:17:56.720 at every step.
00:17:58.660 Introducing
00:17:59.460 the Future Looks Bright collection.
00:18:02.360 Not rushed,
00:18:03.780 not disposable,
00:18:05.240 not ordinary.
00:18:06.600 Rather,
00:18:07.760 intentional,
00:18:09.340 luxurious,
00:18:10.660 timeless.
00:18:10.920 Boom.
00:18:15.380 There you go.
00:18:16.140 Designed in Florida,
00:18:17.160 100% made in Italy.
00:18:18.980 50 hands touch
00:18:20.220 each shoe that was made,
00:18:21.840 and here's what's unique about it.
00:18:23.120 I want to kind of show this
00:18:23.920 to everybody
00:18:24.280 that knows this,
00:18:25.580 and I've worn pretty much
00:18:26.580 every one of these shoes.
00:18:27.560 So,
00:18:28.080 if you compare this,
00:18:29.200 the Italian leather,
00:18:30.560 of course,
00:18:31.160 it's made in Italy.
00:18:32.240 It's not assembled,
00:18:33.180 made in China,
00:18:34.020 assembled in Italy,
00:18:35.140 100% made in Italy,
00:18:36.300 assembled in Italy.
00:18:37.440 It's FLBs,
00:18:38.680 Berlutis,
00:18:39.320 which are 1840,
00:18:40.760 Fergamos are 895,
00:18:42.100 Zennias are 1190,
00:18:43.120 and Gucci's are 950.
00:18:44.840 Leather premium lining,
00:18:46.140 all of them except for Gucci.
00:18:48.120 Laceless feature,
00:18:49.200 it's the FLBs,
00:18:50.220 the Berlutis,
00:18:50.940 you have laces,
00:18:52.060 Fergamos laceless,
00:18:53.800 and then you have also
00:18:54.420 the Zennias,
00:18:55.080 and then the Gucci's
00:18:55.760 have the laces.
00:18:56.400 I don't want to wake up
00:18:57.040 in the morning
00:18:57.340 and put laces on.
00:18:57.960 I don't want to get out
00:18:58.440 of the house.
00:18:58.700 Took me three seconds
00:18:59.840 to put my shoes on today.
00:19:01.520 Craftsman,
00:19:02.060 five different Italian factories
00:19:03.940 all made this shoe.
00:19:05.480 Berlutis are the same as us,
00:19:06.600 as well as FLB,
00:19:07.860 but the only shoe,
00:19:09.180 these trainers,
00:19:10.120 the only one in the world today,
00:19:11.700 according to the factories
00:19:12.760 that told me this,
00:19:13.700 in Italy,
00:19:14.500 that has the Super Foam,
00:19:16.000 the only one
00:19:16.920 that has the same Super Foam
00:19:18.200 used in the On Clouds
00:19:19.900 and the Hocus,
00:19:21.200 it's the FLBs,
00:19:22.300 and they're officially out,
00:19:23.480 and you can place the order.
00:19:24.820 Here's a challenge.
00:19:25.980 We only have
00:19:26.880 a thousand of these pairs,
00:19:28.720 and when you say
00:19:29.120 a thousand of these pairs,
00:19:30.200 they start from size,
00:19:31.100 I believe,
00:19:32.100 is it eight?
00:19:33.160 It goes eight,
00:19:34.020 nine,
00:19:34.700 ten,
00:19:35.280 ten and a half,
00:19:35.800 eleven,
00:19:36.360 eleven and a half,
00:19:37.060 twelve,
00:19:37.360 thirteen.
00:19:38.040 Those are the sizes
00:19:38.840 that we have.
00:19:39.800 And the shoes that you can get today,
00:19:41.220 the colors,
00:19:42.240 you have access to,
00:19:43.320 Rob,
00:19:43.460 if you can go back there,
00:19:44.360 you can have access
00:19:44.980 to those browns,
00:19:45.800 which is absolutely beautiful.
00:19:47.660 And by the way,
00:19:48.120 the brown on the bottom,
00:19:49.060 the stitching on the side
00:19:50.460 is a left stitching.
00:19:51.780 If you can change the picture
00:19:52.840 and on the bottom,
00:19:53.440 it says the future looks bright.
00:19:55.860 Look at the white lines
00:19:58.300 on the side.
00:19:59.060 It's beautiful.
00:19:59.880 The only ones we have right now
00:20:01.340 that you can get sent out today
00:20:03.080 are the black and the browns.
00:20:04.920 If you do want the white
00:20:06.480 to pre-order,
00:20:07.320 I would highly recommend you do so.
00:20:09.320 They're going to come out
00:20:09.920 the second week of December.
00:20:11.360 So the white
00:20:12.060 and the navy blue
00:20:12.960 comes out the second week
00:20:13.860 of December.
00:20:14.340 The browns
00:20:14.920 and the blacks
00:20:15.960 are available.
00:20:17.100 If you believe
00:20:18.000 the future looks bright
00:20:18.880 as much as we do,
00:20:20.280 go place the order.
00:20:21.140 There's nothing like
00:20:22.020 sitting in the boardroom
00:20:23.080 with your trainers
00:20:24.080 and you put your feet
00:20:25.000 over your knee
00:20:25.760 and people look at the bottom
00:20:27.020 of your shoe
00:20:27.400 and it says future looks bright.
00:20:28.700 That's how you get deals done.
00:20:29.740 All right.
00:20:30.080 So they're out.
00:20:30.680 I'm excited to announce it
00:20:31.700 and I'm very happy
00:20:32.820 for people to go sport it.
00:20:34.340 When you get them,
00:20:35.220 take pictures,
00:20:35.860 send it our way.
00:20:36.580 We're going to show
00:20:37.000 all these shoes,
00:20:37.740 all the pictures
00:20:38.180 that are being taken.
00:20:38.900 I already got a bunch
00:20:39.520 of them sent to me
00:20:39.980 on Instagram.
00:20:40.800 Go to vtmerch.com,
00:20:42.180 place your order.
00:20:43.040 It's all over the website.
00:20:44.200 Maybe buy it for your husband,
00:20:45.560 buy it for your brother,
00:20:46.600 buy it for your coworkers,
00:20:47.900 buy it for your best salespeople
00:20:49.140 if you want to let them know
00:20:50.320 the future looks bright.
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