Valuetainment - June 25, 2026


“Majority Were Pakistani Muslim Men” – Lowe on 250K Grooming Victims


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In this episode of the podcast, we speak to the author of the new report, "Rape, Abuse, and Incest: The Truth About Pakistan's Rape Epidemic" about the shocking number of women and girls raped in Pakistan between 2001 and 2006. We also hear from victims of sexual assault, who share their harrowing stories of being raped by men and dogs.

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00:00:30.000 Speak to the audience, assume they've not read the whole thing.
00:00:34.260 Share some stats, share some testimonies, share some stories,
00:00:38.880 because it's so uncomfortable to even read it and listen to it,
00:00:43.740 but I think the truth needs to be laid out.
00:00:46.080 So if you don't mind sharing a couple of their testimonies of the two weeks
00:00:49.100 that you listened to, which I'm sure was very difficult,
00:00:51.920 walk the audience through with a couple different things.
00:00:54.280 When you're saying 250,000, what percentage, they were raped by who,
00:00:58.760 You know, what backgrounds did they have? I think it's good for the audience to grasp that directly coming from you.
00:01:04.580 Well, the majority of the perpetrators of the rape were of Muslim background from predominantly Pakistan and very often from one part of Pakistan called Mirpur.
00:01:18.740 But there were other perpetrators from Eritrea, from Somalia, from Bangladesh, from Afghanistan.
00:01:30.440 So, look, I mean, it's predominantly an issue, we think, from doing our research with Pakistani Muslim men. 0.51
00:01:39.440 And by the way, it's not just girls who get raped, it's boys as well.
00:01:42.860 So that we didn't cover massively in the report, but it's quite clear that was happening too.
00:01:48.740 So, I mean, I did a speech in Westminster Hall about a month ago where I actually read some of the testimonies.
00:01:55.120 So I'll read you a couple of little, I have to put my glasses on, being very old these days.
00:02:01.220 So, I mean, give you an example.
00:02:03.200 So I opened with, and I don't know whether your listeners are up to this, but if you're happy for me to read it, I'll read it to you.
00:02:10.540 Please go for it.
00:02:12.160 So this is one testimony, the first one, which I read. 0.99
00:02:15.120 he said he took his pants down penetrated me had sex with me and then he stopped before ejaculation 0.99
00:02:22.560 he picked up the bottle of jack daniels which was now empty and he forced it up inside me 0.98
00:02:28.320 he broke the glass while he was there at that point i was about 12 nearly 13.
00:02:37.680 so that's that's one and then i'll read you two which were particularly difficult to listen to
00:02:43.840 um i mean one of them a girl who i've got to know uh was she witnessed this herself she's very
00:02:52.040 she's very strong and she's now rebuilt her life and actually done a degree um so she said she was
00:03:00.640 actually trafficked would you believe it to saudi arabia which was extraordinary uh again this was
00:03:05.500 happening people were being taken out of the country uh into different uh parts of the world
00:03:11.980 which is extraordinary and our government doesn't seem to be particularly bothered about that
00:03:16.140 so she said it was all of the white girls in every home that i went to i remember a man opening the 0.64
00:03:24.920 back of a van and i saw maybe 15 20 girls locked in dog cages dog so literally dog cages in the
00:03:37.320 back of a back of a pickup or a van and another one this is the worst we had i think or one of
00:03:44.680 the worst they're all pretty shocking to be to be frank with you uh dogs were brought in and i
00:03:51.340 couldn't move at all i had nowhere to move i think what was the scariest thing was not having any
00:03:59.260 concept of it. There were men around me, not horrified, not disgusted, not helping, but filming
00:04:08.440 and laughing, making bets on whether the dog could actually rape me or not. And yes, I was raped by a 0.99
00:04:19.180 dog. The man just held my face, stared me down straight in the eyes, and he wanted to see me 0.99
00:04:27.320 break which I did now honestly Patrick whoever does that sort of thing from from in my mind
00:04:37.580 there's no place for them in a high trust society like ours there just isn't I mean we these go on
00:04:45.360 these go on there's a lot of these uh and I think if you've read the report you've probably seen
00:04:50.440 uh most of them it's disturbing when you're going through it and how many of them got pregnant and
00:04:55.260 how many of them uh you know one of the girls at 18 years old was 70 years old and she said
00:05:03.540 probably a hundred uh men raped her and these are these are kids that are 11 12 13 years old
00:05:11.700 they're going to a house that they can't leave and then being threatened that if you go tell 0.63
00:05:16.360 anybody we'll tell your family and we'll come and do the same thing to your younger sister so the
00:05:21.120 older sister protecting the younger sister doesn't want anything to happen to her and in some cases
00:05:28.140 they were recording them and putting the videos online and publicly humiliating them but the
00:05:33.320 question that i think the audience needs to it was it was it was terrible because what happened
00:05:37.320 is there was like a it was like a roadmap to it and and some of that roadmap revoltingly
00:05:44.340 centered around you know establishment homes for girls who didn't have a proper sort of mother and
00:05:51.920 father so they were in the care of the establishment if you like so this was happening as you could
00:05:57.320 probably see in these care homes where the most vulnerable girls were were residing with no
00:06:04.020 parental structures around them just an establishment structure it was also happening
00:06:08.880 and this happened to marlon west and and and his daughter i think was called scarlet from
00:06:13.680 from memory in the report you've probably probably seen it um so they were groomed early so they were
00:06:20.560 groomed it's linked to the taxi industry which again there's a lax licensing uh structure here
00:06:28.240 in the uk which allows these taxes to be licensed and a lot of them were licensed out of somewhere
00:06:34.400 called wolverhampton in the midlands and these taxis obviously if you see a taxi hanging around
00:06:39.760 outside a house there's it's less suspicious than if you see a car hanging around outside the house
00:06:44.640 a lot of the taxes were involved in this as well uh so they were groomed as young as 11 10 11 12 13
00:06:55.040 and they were they were basically as you could see going to pick these girls up from schools
00:07:00.000 pick them up from care homes uh and abusing them and they disappear for long periods of time
00:07:06.240 uh were abused and then would return obviously with all sorts of illnesses and injuries
00:07:11.440 particularly sort of you know chlamydia and uh gonorrhea and other sexual sexually transmitted
00:07:17.440 diseases and obviously from the statement i've just read you i mean that the injuries she the 1.00
00:07:23.440 one of those girls who had a bottle uh which broke up her uh that the injuries would have been
00:07:28.160 horrific so the question is why wasn't the national health service reporting and policing this why
00:07:33.600 were the care homes not reporting and policing it why were the police apparently on occasions
00:07:39.200 facilitating it why was local government not dealing with it i mean it's just why were why
00:07:45.440 were ministers allowing this to happen why were the civil service not intervening i mean the list
00:07:50.800 of questions just goes on and on to anyone with a modicum of intelligence you can't believe this
00:07:55.520 has been happening so they were groomed with cigarettes with sweets with alcohol obviously
00:08:01.840 with drugs it's linked to drugs we have we have something called county lines drugs here in the
00:08:06.720 uk which is basically you know the peddling of drugs across the country um which is a huge
00:08:12.640 problem for the police and therefore there's a link to drugs and gradually they went from being
00:08:20.000 friendly to being groomed to being raped and and when you're let 10 11 12 13 and i was struck by
00:08:27.360 one girl who said you know and a lot of the social services said often these girls were asking for it
00:08:34.240 and she said i was 12 years old and i and i got used to being raped and i used to when i knew it
00:08:40.080 was going to happen i used to prepare myself to be raped well that the social services took as her
00:08:46.560 being ready uh to be raped and and accepting it but the point is she was 12 years old she 0.85
00:08:52.800 she thought it was the norm patrick and you know if somebody's 12 they they haven't grown up
00:08:58.240 properly they don't know which way is up and if this violence happens to them at a sufficiently
00:09:03.360 young age i i it became clear to me that they accept it as the norm which of course it isn't
00:09:09.440 and if you're brought up by loving caring parents which is the objective of of marriage and and and
00:09:15.440 and the christian faith you you you you understand that that is definitely not right but if you don't
00:09:21.760 have those kind of boundaries and those kind of benefits of a sound upbringing and a kind loving
00:09:27.840 upbringing then it struck me it's quite easy to understand how the girls start to think it's
00:09:34.480 normal well it isn't normal it should never be normal and the perpetrators of this need to be
00:09:41.040 punished uh in my view the people who facilitated it and allowed it to happen need to be punished
00:09:46.880 uh and we have got uh we did this report it was crowdfunded by 20 000 concerned citizens in the
00:09:56.440 uk we raised 600 000 pounds and we've got that report done had a two-week hearing with a
00:10:02.760 fantastic barrister graham smith who's who who helped write the report along with my team who
00:10:09.900 basically produced all the stats and everything else uh which have gone into it so literally
00:10:16.240 you know this this is something which should be stimulating debate and i'm
00:10:22.580 incredibly grateful that you you in america seem to care more about this than most of our
00:10:28.400 institutions in the uk i mean i i would defund the bbc tomorrow it's a malign monopoly they
00:10:34.120 haven't reported on this at all as you said that is just amazing to think that bbc that was once
00:10:39.480 recognized as one of the most reputable you know media franchises in the world hasn't reported on
00:10:44.880 this once but by the way i want to i want to follow up on this with a couple you probably
00:10:49.120 know that the bbc charter means they're supposed to inform educate and entertain with complete
00:10:54.660 impartiality well how can how can something like this be produced and not be covered at all i mean
00:11:02.560 it's quite extraordinary they've actually found other ways of trying to go around it rather than
00:11:08.040 talking about it so it's not it's not new and i think as you probably know historically monopolies
00:11:14.660 go wrong in the end. Monopolies are a bad thing. And the BBC is certainly in that camp. So
00:11:22.180 assuming somebody sensible gets power, the first thing we need to do is responsibly defund the
00:11:27.900 BBC. And I'm sure Donald Trump would agree with that sentiment. I think he would. And he would
00:11:33.400 not just want to defund it. He would probably want to sue them. But in America, when the reason why
00:11:38.640 Americans are interested in this story is because if this happens to you, America could be next,
00:11:44.320 especially the fact that the previous president allowed 10, 15, 20 million illegal immigrants to just walk across the border.
00:11:50.580 So who knows if some of this stuff has happened in America?
00:11:52.700 A lot of Americans are like, this is probably happening here, and we don't even know most of this stuff that's taking place.
00:11:58.600 The ideology travels. It can go anywhere.
00:12:00.500 So the question I got is—
00:12:03.140 You've got some you've got some pretty awful people running, you know, cities like Los Angeles and Chicago and, you know, other other parts of the U.S.
00:12:14.280 So I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't festering away in Minnesota.
00:12:18.980 I think you've got a similar issue. It may well be festering away in places like that.
00:12:23.760 And people aren't aware of it. I wasn't aware of this, you know, as I said, as we said in the report until we actually read some victim testimony.
00:12:33.140 which came through because, again, if you don't come across it normally,
00:12:38.700 you wouldn't expect this sort of evil to be happening on your doorstep.
00:12:44.600 But this has been happening for decades.
00:12:46.620 And the part I wanted to ask you is a testimony of Fiona.
00:12:50.440 In Fiona's testimony on the bottom, it says the call handler told her,
00:12:56.700 you can't describe them as Asian men because that's racist.
00:13:00.680 You should just be glad your child is being taught a different culture. 1.00
00:13:04.700 On one occasion, a police officer returned Fiona to the house
00:13:08.300 where the abuse was occurring and told the man to have fun with her.
00:13:14.040 I mean, if you have a government or cops,
00:13:17.900 their job is to protect the helpless, those who can't help themselves.
00:13:21.820 If this is out there, because on one end, Keir Starmer the other day,
00:13:26.160 He tweeted something about the previous incident that happened last week
00:13:30.340 and saying this 36-year-old white Scottish man is being investigated by counterterrorism.
00:13:36.100 Can you go back on the tweet where you had it?
00:13:37.960 A counterterrorism police after five people were stabbed in Edinburgh.
00:13:43.540 And he said after his arrest, 1.00
00:13:45.820 I'm protecting the country from these effing Muslim bastards raping our young daughters. 1.00
00:13:51.140 And Mehdi Hassan responded and said the same week that Rupert Lowe put out this bullshit rape gang report falsely claiming Muslims raped 250,000 white girls and same week Elon Musk amplified it on here. 1.00
00:14:02.480 This happens. Is anyone surprised? They're inciting violence against Muslims and emboldening extremists. 0.99
00:14:09.680 And so, Patrick, I don't buy that because what I I have nothing and I sit in parliament with a lot of the Muslim independents and I get on fine with them.
00:14:17.940 they're perfectly decent and intelligent people but the point is if this evil is happening the
00:14:23.500 job of the police and the job of the government is to treat everybody equally under the law
00:14:28.000 and deal with it in the correct way and stop it but that's what they haven't done as you said for
00:14:33.680 fear of being called racist and and actually they go further than that so they lock people up so
00:14:39.720 when we had the southport killings which was the killing of three young girls tragically up in
00:14:45.360 southpaw lucy connolly put out some social media posts and deleted them four hours later because
00:14:52.520 she was so shocked by what had happened and she ended up going to prison for 30 months uh and then
00:14:59.060 you get some of these people who perpetrate this kind of rape and our judges over here as i said
00:15:04.540 to you that the system's gone badly wrong because of the the tony blair's creation of the supreme
00:15:10.920 court which has become a quango a woke quango uh some of these people are let off with lesser 0.67
00:15:16.280 sentences because uh the judges say that they are culturally not understanding what they've done
00:15:24.040 wrong well i'm sorry that doesn't work for me if we all live in a country we accept the fact
00:15:30.040 that we live under one set of rules one set of laws and one set of policing and everybody should 0.93
00:15:35.800 be treated in the same way but the government very gradually as i say it goes to the muslim
00:15:41.800 bloc vote it goes to power patrick it goes to being elected and these votes historically have
00:15:48.360 gone to labor and particularly as i say in in the big inner city areas so labor rely on these votes
00:15:55.960 that's why i don't personally think labor either will or should win another general election
00:16:01.800 because they have allowed this pervasive evil to grow and damage the structure of britain
00:16:08.600 and and i hope the british people will punish them uh from now on uh in the ballot box for not
00:16:15.880 delivering as they should have done and again there's the new the new ghostbuster burnham who
00:16:21.640 is supposed to be uh unveiled as our new prime minister unelected prime minister again and the
00:16:27.960 track record of unelected prime ministers is pretty poor if you look at your last seven uh
00:16:32.920 people who've been and gone you know he was involved in this rape gang issue in manchester
00:16:39.320 which is a big which is a big sort of axis of it um and there is criticism of him uh from many
00:16:47.800 people for not digging deep enough and actually getting to the cause of the problem and the heart
00:16:53.400 of the problem so he's not above criticism uh and i'm afraid it runs deep through the british
00:17:01.560 establishment and i i it's a it's a combination of power and this fear of being called a racist
00:17:09.560 which has become a fate in this country which people fear worse than anything well we have a
00:17:16.200 mantra for that we say we don't care and the only way we can deal with this is to actually look at
00:17:21.240 at the facts and if people call us racist even though we're not we just have to accept that we
00:17:26.040 have to be tough but a lot of people in in britain do not want to be called racist i happen to think
00:17:31.720 britain is the least racist country on earth and i've traveled very widely in in in many parts of
00:17:37.820 the world and i've found far more racism and far more sexism in other parts of the world than i do
00:17:43.760 in britain britain on the whole has very kind people and i i don't blame the people the people
00:17:48.720 in Britain are some of the best people on earth. What's happened is the people who lead the country
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