Valuetainment - April 24, 2025


"Miscavige's Wife Is MISSING!" - Scientology's Most BIZARRE Cover-Up That No One Talks About


Episode Stats

Length

12 minutes

Words per Minute

219.1111

Word Count

2,838

Sentence Count

232

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

Alex Jones is a conservative talk show host and podcaster who has been around for a long time. He's been around since the early 90's and has been a fixture on the conservative media landscape. In this episode, Alex and I talk about his rise to fame, how he got started in his career, and what it's like being a conservative in a conservative world.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Like, imagine if someone like Alex Jones went on, you know, TV and said, I support, you know, a Palestinian two-state solution.
00:00:06.640 A lot of people would be upset with that.
00:00:09.000 But Alex has also not been the most agreeable guy in the Republican side that's – every president has had a little – on the conservative side, nobody outside of Trump has been very close to him.
00:00:23.680 Most of the Republican presidents can't stand Alex Jones.
00:00:26.440 Really?
00:00:27.280 You think George Bush likes Alex Jones?
00:00:30.000 What is George Bush doing nowadays?
00:00:31.960 No, but seriously, do you think George Bush likes Alex Jones?
00:00:34.080 I mean, I don't know if George Bush knows who Alex Jones is.
00:00:36.060 No, I guarantee you he knows who Alex Jones is.
00:00:38.300 I guarantee you he knows who Alex Jones is.
00:00:40.100 Wasn't Alex like the first one that came out saying 9-11 is going to be happening and they're going to blame this and they're going to blame that?
00:00:45.720 Isn't that – didn't he do something like that?
00:00:47.800 Yeah, I mean, he was warning of an impending terrorist attack.
00:00:50.360 I think specifically on the World Trade Center, like years and years before it happened.
00:00:53.960 Right.
00:00:54.180 Bear in mind, that was after there were bombs detonated in the parking garage of the World Trade Center.
00:00:58.020 I think it was in 1997 or 99.
00:00:59.820 Yeah.
00:01:00.020 So it makes sense.
00:01:00.880 It wasn't like he was conjuring up that image from scratch.
00:01:03.080 But it makes sense as to why George W. Bush doesn't like Alex Jones.
00:01:06.220 So I guess what I'm trying to say is when you use the example of Alex Jones, I don't know if Republicans side with Alex Jones.
00:01:12.280 Yeah.
00:01:12.600 Outside of Trump.
00:01:13.400 I guess what I'm kind of trying to say is when you become a social media influencer on a different political side, on one political side of the aisle, it can disrupt your business and income if you decide to deviate from the norm of the consensus.
00:01:24.280 So for you, when I watch you, you say, you know, I have leftists, but I'm not really – I don't want to be tied to a political side and I don't want to do this and I – but I'm kind of this.
00:01:32.300 Because as you're going through all of these places and, you know, you're living your life and you're developing your own opinion, you're only 28.
00:01:39.440 You're growing.
00:01:40.760 27.
00:01:41.280 Yeah.
00:01:41.400 97.
00:01:41.960 I'm doing a math.
00:01:42.460 So you're going to be 28.
00:01:43.220 Yeah.
00:01:43.480 What month are you born by?
00:01:44.600 I'm actually – I was born on April 23rd, so it's coming right up.
00:01:47.140 Oh, well, that's right.
00:01:47.840 We made a note of that.
00:01:48.700 Your birthday is coming up.
00:01:49.560 That's right.
00:01:50.360 But happy early birthday to you, by the way.
00:01:52.140 Thank you.
00:01:52.420 I appreciate it.
00:01:52.920 Yeah, as you're going through this, you know, would you consider yourself more of an anti-establishment person?
00:02:00.120 Yeah, anti-establishment, like socially progressive.
00:02:02.740 You know, I think people should be able to do whatever they want to do within reason.
00:02:06.060 But yeah, socially progressive, anti-establishment.
00:02:08.200 Definitely don't find any identity in either of the major political parties today.
00:02:12.260 Yeah.
00:02:13.480 And to you and Alex Jones would be a guy that is – would you put him as an establishment guy or anti-establishment?
00:02:21.500 Anti-establishment for sure.
00:02:22.600 Yeah, so I think you and Alex are – obviously he claims, he makes claims, he says things.
00:02:30.880 You don't do that.
00:02:31.480 You just go get the content and say, hey, what do you think, audience?
00:02:34.100 Make up your mind.
00:02:34.780 This is up to you, right?
00:02:35.660 You don't get up there and say, let me tell you what I think is going to be going on.
00:02:38.380 That's not your brand.
00:02:39.580 You're more going out there doing the journalism.
00:02:41.120 But to me, he is – it's almost like whenever somebody isn't invited to the White House too often by president, they don't trust the guy fully.
00:02:50.880 The only guy that's given this guy the opportunity to come in is Trump.
00:02:54.320 All the other guys weren't comfortable with him.
00:02:56.940 As a young guy yourself, how do you feel about Trump?
00:02:58.760 I mean, in what sense?
00:03:00.800 I mean, okay, so you're in the streets.
00:03:02.940 You're talking to everybody.
00:03:04.640 Did you think he was going to win or did you think, oh, there's no way this guy's going to win?
00:03:08.820 I definitely did not think that he was going to win.
00:03:10.280 Oh, really?
00:03:10.560 Even until the last minute?
00:03:11.440 I mean, I think I'm kind of in a bubble to a certain extent.
00:03:13.860 I'm mostly in progressive major cities, so I didn't even realize that he was going to win.
00:03:18.300 But then after the assassination attempt, I knew he would win.
00:03:21.520 Specifically when he pumped his fist and said fight, I was like, it's done.
00:03:24.380 There's nothing the Democrats could possibly do to take the trophy away from this guy.
00:03:27.840 But yeah, I would say in general I'm not really a Trump guy.
00:03:30.860 Mostly I don't like the way that that political movement makes people treat each other,
00:03:35.440 just on a day-to-day human level.
00:03:38.860 Interpersonal interactions get really dark between the Trump crowd and their opposition.
00:03:42.780 Who do you think created that?
00:03:44.760 I just think that the showmanship of politics that's happened in the last probably six to eight years,
00:03:50.160 it's kind of like two football teams, and it gets pretty gnarly out there.
00:03:53.080 I don't think people were fighting in the streets during the Obama and Romney election.
00:03:57.120 I don't think there was like a Romney Proud Boys.
00:03:59.800 You don't think there was Romney Proud Boys?
00:04:02.080 Okay, so let me ask you this.
00:04:04.040 Do you think for a guy that's anti-establishment,
00:04:06.760 do you view Romney as an establishment guy or an anti-establishment guy?
00:04:09.700 I mean, I know he's part of the Utah establishment because he is a Mormon.
00:04:12.980 Which is, no disrespect to Mormons, they're actually really nice.
00:04:15.180 Sure.
00:04:15.900 But I think so, yeah, for sure.
00:04:17.380 He's like an RNC guy.
00:04:18.540 Did you do something with Mormons or no?
00:04:20.080 No, I want to.
00:04:21.200 Oh, you got to.
00:04:21.500 But it's kind of hard because if you portray them negatively,
00:04:23.340 it's kind of like Scientologists.
00:04:24.520 Like the Mormons have a lot of money to sue you.
00:04:27.080 Yeah, but Scientology will come after you in different ways.
00:04:29.420 I'm more scared of Scientology than any other subgroup in the world.
00:04:32.480 Really?
00:04:32.940 Yeah, you know about fair gaming, right?
00:04:34.280 Their policy where they can like stalk you and harass you for years.
00:04:36.800 Of course, I'm very familiar with that.
00:04:38.480 The CIA technology to make you think you're having a schizophrenic break.
00:04:41.000 For sure.
00:04:42.000 They are incredible at what they do.
00:04:45.080 I mean, the guy's wife's been missing for how long?
00:04:48.020 David Miscavige's wife's been missing for how many years now?
00:04:51.360 Shirley.
00:04:52.160 Is it Shelly or Shirley?
00:04:53.160 Shelly.
00:04:53.780 Shelly.
00:04:54.380 Yeah, and there was like an LAPD checkup where they like reported that nothing was wrong.
00:04:58.260 I was like, what do you mean?
00:04:58.940 Did you talk to her?
00:04:59.620 They're like, we're not going to say, but like everything's fine.
00:05:02.180 There's a guy in Los Angeles right now.
00:05:04.000 He's one of those like Second Amendment, First Amendment audit like cop watcher guys.
00:05:08.520 Yeah.
00:05:08.940 His name is, I think it's like Stop Scientology LA.
00:05:12.140 He stands outside of the Church of Scientology on Hollywood Boulevard every single day, live
00:05:16.700 streaming for hours, physically like blocking the entryway, getting people to not go inside
00:05:21.240 and get a free auditing session.
00:05:23.000 So he's single-handedly shut down the recruitment operation in Hollywood.
00:05:26.340 One man.
00:05:26.740 Yeah, she's apparently been missing since 07, okay?
00:05:31.480 Since 2007, she's been missing.
00:05:34.000 Well, I think we know what happened.
00:05:35.560 What's that?
00:05:36.220 She's dead.
00:05:38.120 You think so?
00:05:38.920 Yeah, dude.
00:05:40.200 Leah Remini.
00:05:41.520 Did you ever see the Leah, am I saying her last name correctly?
00:05:45.100 Shelly Miscavige.
00:05:46.180 No, no.
00:05:46.620 Leah Remini.
00:05:47.940 Remini.
00:05:49.060 Do you know who she is?
00:05:50.040 Is she dead?
00:05:50.400 Leah Remini.
00:05:50.960 No, no.
00:05:51.220 Oh, she was in Going Clear, right?
00:05:53.620 That big Netflix documentary about Scientology?
00:05:55.300 Yeah.
00:05:55.440 And she went out and she says, well, one time I went and I said, so, how's Shelly doing?
00:06:01.160 And everybody looked at me saying, hey, you don't ask a question like that.
00:06:04.760 And I was like, well, I'm just asking a basic question.
00:06:06.280 She's a friend of mine.
00:06:06.880 You don't ask a question like that.
00:06:08.240 And then she's like, that's when I realized something's weird over here.
00:06:10.920 Yeah.
00:06:11.220 So you think she's been dead in 07.
00:06:12.760 So let me ask you, if that's the case, what is the protocol?
00:06:16.440 What are they supposed to do?
00:06:17.700 Is the government supposed to investigate?
00:06:19.160 Are we one day going to sit there and say, Shelly Miscavige is 173 years old, been missing
00:06:23.560 since 2007.
00:06:24.460 Like, you know what I'm saying?
00:06:25.360 Like, is she going to get a funeral?
00:06:26.640 When does it get to a point that the government says, I want to investigate what really happened
00:06:29.800 to her?
00:06:30.480 Has there ever been one, Rob?
00:06:32.880 Has the U.S. government or the PD ever investigated to find out what happened to her?
00:06:38.900 You just went after Scientology.
00:06:40.520 Another crazy fact, too, is that David Miscavige, their leader, has never done an interview.
00:06:45.500 He's only ever been documented.
00:06:46.680 Wait, with who?
00:06:47.540 One interview he did.
00:06:48.560 You've never seen this?
00:06:49.380 No.
00:06:49.620 I got to find it.
00:06:50.220 You have to watch this.
00:06:52.380 You're saying you're in the space.
00:06:54.800 So maybe...
00:06:55.840 I've only seen him portrayed by Scientology Media.
00:06:59.020 He's done one interview his entire life.
00:07:00.900 Yeah, I'm right.
00:07:01.660 With Ted Koppel.
00:07:02.780 By the way, if you've never seen this...
00:07:05.060 Okay, thank you for the fact check on this.
00:07:06.520 You have to watch this.
00:07:08.360 So it's been over 30 years since his last appearance.
00:07:10.840 And let me tell you, the way he interviews, the way this guy interviews with Ted Koppel
00:07:16.360 is unbelievable.
00:07:18.660 And if you watch him, you know whose mannerisms you'll pick up?
00:07:22.280 Okay, I want you to watch this and tell me what actor's mannerism do you pick up?
00:07:25.260 Go ahead, Rob.
00:07:25.660 Just press play.
00:07:26.780 Watch this.
00:07:27.360 I feel perfectly comfortable with my life.
00:07:29.780 I like my job.
00:07:30.480 I'm happy with my family.
00:07:31.520 I love my wife.
00:07:32.340 I'm healthy.
00:07:34.320 I'm perfectly content.
00:07:35.640 That's why I'm asking you, what is it you can do for me?
00:07:38.760 Well, number one, I would never try to talk you into that Scientology is for you.
00:07:42.800 You see, that's the funny thing about this is if I'm now going to give a sales pitch to
00:07:46.520 you on Scientology.
00:07:47.560 Believe me, Scientology is valuable enough that it doesn't require any sales pitch.
00:07:51.480 But let's look at it this way, then, what Scientology does.
00:07:53.740 If you look out across the world today, you can say that if you take a person who's healthy,
00:07:59.260 you can pause it, whatever you do, watch this when you're out of here.
00:08:02.700 Yeah, I can't wait.
00:08:03.080 You will be blown away by this guy's interview.
00:08:05.820 We've tried to have him on many, many times.
00:08:07.540 I'd love to talk to the guy.
00:08:08.800 Have you gotten to the stage of him considering doing an interview?
00:08:11.880 No, but we spoke to his camp because we've had a few people on.
00:08:14.560 One guy who left the organization, and we had a couple other guys.
00:08:18.620 Mike Rinder, what is his relation to David Miscavige?
00:08:26.320 He was one of the highest-ranking guys there, right?
00:08:28.060 The senior executive of the church, international, and he ran the Sea Organization, which is like
00:08:34.000 the place to be.
00:08:35.400 Yes.
00:08:35.920 For those unfamiliar, that's the top organization in the hierarchy of Scientology.
00:08:39.920 And if you buy your way into the Sea Org, there's an annual cruise that you get to go
00:08:43.180 on, and that is sort of the top tier.
00:08:44.780 I think, I don't know how much you have to spend to get into Sea Org, but once you're
00:08:48.140 there, you're in, whatever.
00:08:50.080 And I don't know what the benefits are of that.
00:08:52.260 Do you have any interest?
00:08:52.920 I have some friends I can introduce you to.
00:08:54.080 I have an extreme interest in Scientology, but I also have an interest in being alive.
00:08:59.300 So you don't want to be a member?
00:09:00.800 No.
00:09:01.260 I mean, holy shit.
00:09:02.060 Can you imagine having those guys against you?
00:09:04.580 Yeah, but imagine if you have them with you.
00:09:06.920 That's even the way I'm going to lose all credibility.
00:09:09.140 It would be like Andrew Callahan.
00:09:10.460 Man, imagine if you were part of an organization and we had your back, you would never have
00:09:16.060 to worry about anything.
00:09:17.440 Does that sound appealing to you?
00:09:19.140 It does.
00:09:19.740 But what sounds more appealing is staying away from them or being a liaison between Scientology
00:09:24.140 and the public.
00:09:25.060 Like David Miscavige is like, you know what?
00:09:26.640 Shelly's actually at my apartment here in Florida.
00:09:28.700 Come meet her.
00:09:29.440 Come meet her.
00:09:29.960 Do an interview.
00:09:30.640 Let's make a Channel 5 video.
00:09:31.760 I would do it.
00:09:32.900 Oh, I would love to see it.
00:09:34.720 I'd love to see it.
00:09:35.540 I'd love for you to go and just talk to her.
00:09:36.720 You know what else would be interesting for you to do if many, many years ago when I
00:09:40.520 was an atheist, I would go to churches in L.A. and I would just go on and talk to everybody
00:09:45.720 about whatever they believed in.
00:09:47.000 I'd go to LDS.
00:09:48.920 So tell me about this Gordon B. Hinckley.
00:09:51.760 Tell me about this Joseph Smith.
00:09:54.680 Tell me what happened with Vermont when he found these plates and he moved to these states.
00:10:01.120 And every time you guys moved, you got kicked out until you got to Utah.
00:10:03.260 What happened there?
00:10:03.820 Tell me about this.
00:10:04.360 I would go to Scientology Church and I would say, what do you believe in?
00:10:07.720 Who's God?
00:10:08.440 Who's this?
00:10:09.540 Whoever you believe in.
00:10:10.380 Who do you believe in?
00:10:11.360 And it was always such an incredible method of communicating with you, which is so impressive.
00:10:15.940 If you notice one thing about Scientologists, you know what they definitely can do better
00:10:19.920 than mostly other religions?
00:10:22.020 They're incredible communicators.
00:10:23.960 John Travolta, Scientology.
00:10:25.740 Yeah.
00:10:25.980 Tom Cruise, Scientology.
00:10:28.140 Just look at the way David Miscavige speaks.
00:10:30.560 He speaks better than most preachers speak.
00:10:32.360 The way they teach their guys, I had an office one time where 70 agents in the office were
00:10:38.380 all Scientologists.
00:10:39.320 I loved working with them.
00:10:40.820 Yeah.
00:10:41.540 They're kind of like Toastmasters, intergalactic Toastmasters.
00:10:43.920 On steroids and growth hormone.
00:10:46.120 And they hang out with Gary Breck all the time, Toppa Health.
00:10:48.600 Yeah.
00:10:48.860 Like they're at that level.
00:10:50.440 But one thing I know they do is whenever they do the auditing sessions and they ask
00:10:53.300 you to recall a traumatic memory or something that's sitting in your subconscious, I know
00:10:57.040 that they record that session so they can hold whatever you're saying is blackmail to leverage
00:11:01.660 against you in the future.
00:11:02.460 I do believe that Scientology is sort of a massive for-profit blackmail operation that
00:11:06.420 has, it's deeply entrenched in Hollywood and the police departments of Southern California.
00:11:10.580 Yeah.
00:11:11.800 Interesting.
00:11:12.460 Because I mean, what is the purpose?
00:11:14.000 Because they're not atheists.
00:11:15.080 They believe in an ascendant spiritual plane where the Thetan, which is your soul, will
00:11:20.880 live there and occupy its own planet after you pass away for eternity, which sounds fantastic
00:11:25.320 in theory.
00:11:26.180 So I hope it's true.
00:11:27.240 So if you're a Scientologist watching this, I hope you're right.
00:11:29.620 But imagine you die, you get to heaven and you're a Christian and God is like, Scientology
00:11:33.640 was right.
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