Valuetainment - June 07, 2025


“Musk Was Subpoenaed!” - Jeffrey Epstein’s Ties To Elon Musk EXPOSED By Whitney Webb


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On this episode of the After Hours podcast, we discuss the latest in the Trump administration and the impact on Tesla and the stock market. We also talk about the Tesla CEO Elon Musk and the future of the company and the potential impact on the stock price.

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00:00:00.000 The part that we have to ask ourselves is the following, okay?
00:00:03.280 How is this going to be managed?
00:00:05.820 Because the market right now, the people that are pro-Trump, what are they saying?
00:00:10.440 They say Trump is America first, okay?
00:00:13.700 Elon's not America first.
00:00:14.880 They'll say things like Elon is his company's first.
00:00:18.060 He had a rough day, guys.
00:00:19.920 14%?
00:00:21.220 That's a rough day.
00:00:22.400 Worst day ever for Tesla?
00:00:24.020 It's not a good day.
00:00:25.260 Imagine all the calls he's getting, but imagine all the other calls he's getting from the board
00:00:28.920 and all these other things that he's dealing with, right?
00:00:30.960 So that's that part, okay?
00:00:32.820 So Trump cares about America, let's just say.
00:00:35.320 Musk cares about his investments and his vision, which is what?
00:00:38.580 You know, space, Mars, all this stuff.
00:00:41.660 Trump's about getting all the business here.
00:00:44.500 Elon's doing deals with China and a lot of other places,
00:00:47.320 so maybe some of the stuff that Trump was doing wasn't financially benefiting him.
00:00:54.080 You would have thought Trump would have done different things with tax incentives
00:00:57.840 or $7,500 to buy EVs, but you go away and he helps you?
00:01:02.540 To somebody that's in Elon's side, they're like,
00:01:04.120 dude, the guy helped you win an election, you cutting that stuff?
00:01:06.940 And Trump's like, look, I think all cars should do well in America.
00:01:10.320 I don't want to just focus on EV because that part was what?
00:01:13.060 It was more of a leftist thing, right?
00:01:14.760 Remember what that was?
00:01:15.420 That was part of the Green New Deal situation. 0.85
00:01:16.840 That's right.
00:01:17.280 And look at what happened in Tesla stock after that bill.
00:01:19.660 Yeah, that's right.
00:01:20.720 That's something that, you know,
00:01:22.720 one has to be putting in consideration and thinking about this.
00:01:26.360 Tom, for you, one guy said, oh, they're just playing games.
00:01:32.160 They're just toying with everybody.
00:01:34.080 I definitely don't think that's the case.
00:01:35.680 I think this is as real as it gets.
00:01:38.320 This is as real as it gets.
00:01:40.540 How nasty is this, Tom?
00:01:43.000 And moving forward, what does this do to the room that Trump's in?
00:01:48.920 I asked him about Vance.
00:01:49.900 He didn't really go there.
00:01:50.640 I'm going to come to you.
00:01:51.600 What does this do in the room?
00:01:53.140 You're sitting there, Vance, Lutnick, Besant.
00:01:57.020 You got Cash, Bongino, you know, RFK, Tulsi, Rubio.
00:02:03.440 What's he now doing?
00:02:04.820 Is this now a divided group and you don't know who to trust?
00:02:08.220 No, I don't think so.
00:02:09.200 Here's what I think is going on in that room right now.
00:02:11.880 I believe that there's a lot of people in that cabinet,
00:02:15.000 good people in the cabinet.
00:02:16.280 I put Susie in this category.
00:02:18.460 I put Rubio in this category that are relieved.
00:02:21.060 We've been hearing for exactly a month, right about the time.
00:02:25.880 Remember right about the time of the 100 days?
00:02:27.920 We started hearing that some of the cabinet members were, man,
00:02:31.000 I am so over this Elon and Doge.
00:02:34.320 I'm kind of over this.
00:02:35.780 I don't think this is going the way we thought it would be going.
00:02:38.920 You heard that.
00:02:39.640 I'm over it.
00:02:40.740 It's not going the way we thought it would be.
00:02:42.480 A month ago, you had that.
00:02:43.880 So I think today there are some relieved cabinet members that said,
00:02:48.700 well, here we are.
00:02:50.840 This is the wrong way to do it.
00:02:52.380 This is absolutely a horrible way to do it.
00:02:55.200 We tried to give him the key to the city to get him to feel honored
00:02:58.500 and feel flattered and everything and then leave.
00:03:01.300 And then a day later, he goes scorched earth.
00:03:05.060 So I think they're pretty pissed off because a minute ago they were relieved
00:03:08.540 that he was officially gone.
00:03:10.180 And right now I think the room is pretty pissed off.
00:03:12.440 And I think this can galvanize.
00:03:14.840 Remember, when bad things happen, you'll find out who's with you.
00:03:17.540 And I've been in the room with Pat where in the industry we were in,
00:03:22.280 we had to find out who was with us, who was with us, which carriers were with us,
00:03:26.780 which people were supporting us because things happen.
00:03:29.280 And economies come, economies go, and the industries make decisions.
00:03:32.740 It's not personal, but you've got to find out who's there.
00:03:35.620 And I think what's going on right now,
00:03:37.600 I think he's about to find out who is absolutely with him.
00:03:41.320 I think Besson is.
00:03:42.460 I think Rubio is.
00:03:43.620 I think Howard is.
00:03:45.580 I think there's relieved people that are really frustrated that it went down this way.
00:03:51.520 And there's a jet taking off right now.
00:03:54.520 No, it's all good.
00:03:55.160 Go ahead.
00:03:55.420 What was the question?
00:03:56.760 No, Brandon.
00:03:57.800 So why don't you do this, Brandon?
00:03:58.980 Rob, can you play the one clip Brandon has about Whitney Webb?
00:04:03.340 You know which one I'm talking about.
00:04:04.800 This one right here.
00:04:05.480 So Whitney Webb, we've had her on a couple of times.
00:04:07.820 She's written some of the most interesting books that talks about technocracy.
00:04:12.840 She doesn't even live in the States.
00:04:14.360 But some of the stuff she says gets picked up, and it's very, very interesting.
00:04:18.540 And when you do some research, what is in this clip here, Brandon?
00:04:21.120 So this is the first time I've ever heard Epstein be associated with Elon Musk.
00:04:26.640 She says something I've never heard before about a reason why the Justice Department might not have been releasing certain things about Epstein and J.P. Morgan that were subpoenaed.
00:04:33.940 OK, go for it, Rob.
00:04:34.760 Virgin Islands, because there was this case involving the U.S. Virgin Islands and J.P. Morgan, as it related to Epstein.
00:04:43.280 And that case got settled out of court, so it didn't go to trial.
00:04:48.360 But I believe those documents would be very, very, very telling.
00:04:53.040 But I would argue the reason they won't come out is because one of the people subpoenaed as part of that investigation was Elon Musk.
00:05:00.680 Oh, wow.
00:05:01.680 He wasn't necessarily accused of wrongdoing, but was subpoenaed because he was suspected of having had some sort of involvement with Epstein and J.P. Morgan.
00:05:10.220 And there are allegations, of course, not really allegations, but, you know, it was reported, you know, before Musk was closely affiliated with Trump that Epstein had been advising Tesla and was part of this effort in 2018 to take Tesla private with Gulf oil money or Saudi money.
00:05:29.660 And at the time, Epstein was advising Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, and was also known to have a close relationship with the elite families of the United Arab Emirates and also Kuwait and I think Bahrain as well.
00:05:43.780 So perhaps they don't want to have that really be explored at this point.
00:05:48.820 But some of the other figures that were.
00:05:51.060 Was she talking about Epstein here?
00:05:52.740 All those people, all those relationships?
00:05:54.520 Epstein and Elon as well.
00:05:55.680 She was saying that Epstein was advising Musk and how to take Tesla private.
00:05:58.580 But all those other relationships, Mohammed bin Salman, Bahrain.
00:06:00.840 Epstein was like, oh.
00:06:01.720 Jesus, this guy Epstein goes deep.
00:06:03.820 Yeah, he does.
00:06:05.160 Yeah, he's top of the intelligence networks.
00:06:06.700 But I think, well, so genuinely, who do you think is more powerful, though, between the two of them right now?
00:06:11.600 Because I think if Elon's going to be in attack mode, Trump has a small window to knock Musk down a bunch of pegs because Musk gets like 30% of Tesla revenue from China and a lot of money from government contracts.
00:06:21.680 So I wonder what damage could Trump do right now if Trump really wants to go on the offensive and commits to that and tries to take a degree of power away from Musk.
00:06:29.280 Because, I mean, you know, if Musk is going to try to use his power like this, then that's not a healthy thing for America.
00:06:35.360 That's not a healthy thing for what?
00:06:36.680 For America.
00:06:37.100 So I'm saying Trump right now has a window to knock Musk down a bunch of pegs with like 30% of Tesla revenue comes from China.
00:06:43.940 A huge amount of his money comes from government contracts from America.
00:06:46.960 So Trump could do a lot to severely hurt Tesla right now if you want.
00:06:51.660 Because, you know, you could almost take this as a threat to national security where this guy is trying to undermine the president.
00:06:56.180 And believe me, I'm mad at both of them for separate things.
00:06:58.340 But, you know, you have to be patriotic on the side of the president when some.
00:07:01.820 Yeah.
00:07:02.300 So here's President Trump.
00:07:04.640 I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done it so months ago.
00:07:09.940 This is one of the greatest bills ever presented to Congress.
00:07:12.540 It's a record cut in expenses, $1.6 trillion, and the biggest tax cut ever given.
00:07:17.500 If this bill doesn't pass, there will be a 68% tax increase.
00:07:21.360 And things far worse than that.
00:07:23.700 I didn't create this mess.
00:07:25.020 I'm just here to fix it.
00:07:26.760 This puts our country on a path of greatness.
00:07:30.320 Make America great again.
00:07:32.300 So now he says that.
00:07:33.240 But a part of this that, to me, is what would cause an Elon to go nuclear?
00:07:40.320 I don't think it's about the bill.
00:07:42.160 It's way too extreme for the bill.
00:07:44.060 It can't be.
00:07:45.060 What would make Elon go nuclear?
00:07:47.660 What?
00:07:48.680 You think the black eye is just like, what would make, for some, no, I'm being actually serious with you.
00:07:53.900 What would make Elon go nuclear?
00:07:55.580 It has to be something that was such a humiliating thing for you to go to this levels.
00:08:02.080 And then there had to be a couple calls behind closed doors to make sure he knows he has some other people with him before he goes nuclear.
00:08:09.420 Because if you don't have the other guys that are with you to go nuclear, I don't know.
00:08:14.540 And by the way, you know what you learned here for a fact?
00:08:19.460 That if you talk to him, just so you know, he can at any time turn against you.
00:08:26.620 Yeah.
00:08:26.920 But what he's essentially saying, though, is that, like, let's say what he's saying is true.
00:08:30.700 He's essentially saying he's okay with being friends with a president who is on the obscene list if he's doing everything that he wants him to do.
00:08:36.720 But the moment that he doesn't do everything he wants him to do, then he is not okay with that anymore.
00:08:40.380 So, like, if that were true, like, how does that make him look?
00:08:43.720 He's being selective with when it is a big deal to him and when it's not a big deal to him.
00:08:47.280 Why do so many people agree with him?
00:08:49.740 Well, I think a lot of, like, I mean, I think there is some truth that Trump did maybe blackmail people.
00:08:55.220 You know, you could say allegedly to that he bought a hotel that was used for blackmail in the past.
00:08:58.860 He bought a yacht that was used for blackmail in the past as mentor blackmailed a lot of people.
00:09:01.620 But that doesn't mean he did the things that the people on the Epstein list did.
00:09:04.300 That's an entirely different thing that just makes him associate with that world.
00:09:06.600 So I think some people conflate those two things, and some people are upset with Trump with the lack of aggressiveness that he's had.
00:09:13.340 Like, you know, he came in like he was going to disrupt the whole establishment, get rid of the deep state, this and that.
00:09:17.240 But he's being very civil, and that's, like, probably what I'm most frustrated with him about is he's being too civil,
00:09:21.520 and he's not, like, coming down hard on the people who try to take him out and the people that have this administrative state in place.
00:09:27.780 Yeah, I was listening to a guy earlier saying the fact that the only choice Trump has right now,
00:09:35.060 he has to come super, super hard on Musk because Musk is not going to stop.
00:09:39.240 Right.
00:09:39.640 He won't stop.
00:09:40.180 And he has a window.
00:09:41.240 He has a window to do it.
00:09:42.420 To him?
00:09:42.860 To Musk.
00:09:43.460 What could he do to him?
00:09:44.780 Oh, he could make it so that Musk can't send cars to China or at least make it not profitable, you know, cut all the government contracts.
00:09:51.460 I mean, that's the thing, though.
00:09:52.680 Musk has a degree of leverage, too, because especially with Starlink, like, Starlink is super important to the military.
00:09:58.260 A lot of his other stuff has military applications.
00:10:01.600 Palantir is tight with Elon, so they have a lot of military applications, too.
00:10:04.360 So these tech guys, the PayPal mafia, the technocracy guys, they're really tied in and entrenched with the military.
00:10:10.060 So that's where the private sector, you know, starts to get, like, all right, does the military have more power or do the contractors have more power?
00:10:15.280 Yeah, but listen, on behalf of America, Elon Musk and Donald Trump, keep your personal issues out of America becoming great again.
00:10:25.240 Like, we are here in America.
00:10:26.740 People are trying to put foot on their plate.
00:10:28.200 They're trying to raise their kids.
00:10:29.380 They're trying to make money, have a job, have a healthy lifestyle, like, do everything we want to do.
00:10:33.660 We're not here to watch this soap opera of days of our lives with the richest man in the world and most powerful man in the world.
00:10:41.060 Like, we're not here for that.
00:10:42.340 Do you think Elon wants to make America great again, though?
00:10:44.780 Do you think he cares about that at all?
00:10:46.440 I think if you're using what Elon Musk set out to do, I think the number one thing on his agenda was killing the woke mind virus.
00:10:54.180 And I looked at him aligning with Trump as let's, who's against woke?
00:10:58.920 Trump.
00:10:59.380 I'm going with him.
00:11:00.640 I think there's a very good indication that Elon had never voted for Trump in the past.
00:11:05.000 I think he was more of a Democrat.
00:11:06.460 I think a lot of people were, you know, Joe Rogan, that camp.
00:11:09.640 I think they were all, a lot of people switched over.
00:11:12.340 I also think that Trump is very vindictive.
00:11:15.000 And I think that Elon is very childish.
00:11:18.380 And I, listen, I thought this would go at least a year.
00:11:23.120 I mean, did anybody have their money?
00:11:24.200 This was ending in June?
00:11:27.360 Yeah.
00:11:27.840 Did you see that coming?
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