Valuetainment - June 13, 2025


＂Muslims Spat In Soldiers’ Faces!＂ – Tommy Robinson BLASTS UK For BOWING To Islamic-Like Extremism

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Patrick Bet-David
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Luton Abu Hamza Muhammad Hijab Andrew Tate Omar Bakri Scott Munbridge Dan Bilzerian David Cameron Angela Merkel Roger Ibrahim Saifel Islam Don Miller Al-Majradin
＂Imported Jihad, Rape Gangs & Terrorism!＂ - Tommy Robinson TORCHES UK’s Open Border DISASTER ＂Tried To Make Me Harvey Weinstein!＂ - Tommy Robinson BLASTS The BBC For FAILED Hit Piece

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In this episode, I speak to the founder of the English Defence League, a group dedicated to defending the rights of Muslims and Sikhs living in the UK. We talk about his life growing up in a multicultural town like Luton, and his views on multiculturalism.

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00:00:00.000 So it's interesting you're saying this because for me, when, when I talk to friends or guys
00:00:04.880 about Tommy Robinson, you know, it's a very interesting reaction that we get.
00:00:08.240 In the morning, we're sitting here literally an hour and a half prior to this, me and Rob
00:00:11.700 are out there kind of going through finalizing the notes.
00:00:14.200 And I see this fellow with his wife to our left.
00:00:16.480 He keeps going like this to me.
00:00:18.340 He keeps looking at me and you can tell he's Middle Eastern, maybe Indian, but I don't 1.00
00:00:23.780 know yet, but he's paying attention to what we're talking about.
00:00:26.300 We're watching videos and we're going through a couple of things.
00:00:28.540 Then he comes back and he says, Hey, I heard you're talking about UK and you know, what's
00:00:32.200 going on there and Muslims and Sikhs and all this other stuff.
00:00:34.980 I said, yeah.
00:00:35.300 So what do you think about what's going on?
00:00:36.640 Well, let me tell you what's going on.
00:00:37.780 So what do you think about Tommy Robinson?
00:00:39.600 Ooh, Tommy Robinson.
00:00:41.640 I says, yeah.
00:00:42.020 What do you think about it?
00:00:43.300 He says, well, you know, you have to know that I said, you're at a nice resort.
00:00:47.600 I'm assuming you make money or success.
00:00:49.040 He said, I'm from education.
00:00:50.820 He says, Tommy Robinson, man, he's, he's been arrested.
00:00:53.380 He's been in trouble.
00:00:54.180 He's done this.
00:00:54.760 He's done that.
00:00:55.360 But a lot of my friends who couldn't stand him 20 years ago are now siding with him.
00:01:00.720 I said, really?
00:01:01.580 He says, a lot of people are agreeing with him now.
00:01:03.640 I said, why are they agreeing with him?
00:01:05.020 He says, well, I used to live in London.
00:01:07.140 Now I'm out.
00:01:08.220 I saw what was going on at Sheffield.
00:01:10.060 Is it Sheffield?
00:01:11.800 What did he call the, uh, uh, Schofield or Sheffield one of the cities?
00:01:15.800 There is a city called Sheffield.
00:01:17.240 Then that's where he's from.
00:01:18.160 He says, Sheffield, he says, you know, when I lived there, it was something else 20 years
00:01:22.260 ago versus what it is today.
00:01:23.820 So we know when we watch you, what you're against.
00:01:29.120 People call you racist.
00:01:30.660 People call you Islamophobic.
00:01:32.340 I said, what would you ask him?
00:01:33.520 He says, ask him if he's racist or not.
00:01:35.500 I said, he's been asked that many times.
00:01:36.760 Right.
00:01:37.500 So I'd like to know for a lot of people that maybe don't know your story.
00:01:41.960 I've watched a documentary.
00:01:43.300 I've seen your content over the years.
00:01:45.020 I've seen you back and forth with peers from 10 years ago to now to all the stuff you got
00:01:50.440 going on.
00:01:50.900 I see your feud with you and Dan Bolzerian online.
00:01:53.660 And, you know, there's a lot of different things that's going on.
00:01:56.300 What are you against?
00:01:57.820 What are you for?
00:01:59.100 I'm for Britain.
00:02:00.600 Um, I love my country.
00:02:01.780 I want my children to grow up in a safe and prosperous Britain.
00:02:04.340 And there is no one like the gentleman you spoke to.
00:02:07.000 If you ask them, is the country going in the right direction?
00:02:09.620 There will be no one that will say yes.
00:02:11.520 And you know, like the saying, we live in a free country.
00:02:13.740 You won't hear anyone say that in Britain anymore.
00:02:16.180 So those people, like the gentleman you spoke to, all I'm guilty of is being a decade ahead.
00:02:20.900 I was so far ahead of everyone else who now sees the problems.
00:02:24.300 And the reason I was so far ahead is, as I said, I was born in Luton town.
00:02:27.580 I've watched the change.
00:02:28.920 I've seen it firsthand.
00:02:30.220 And when I grew up, you have to understand, Luton is a multicultural town.
00:02:33.880 And if you line up my friends and you took 20 of us, we're all sons of immigrants.
00:02:37.900 My mother was an Irish immigrant.
00:02:39.300 My friends are St.
00:02:39.960 Lucian, Bulgarian, Italian, Jamaican.
00:02:42.020 We're all sons of immigrants.
00:02:43.160 But growing up in that town gives me, so many other communities get blamed for the problem
00:02:48.080 of immigration that we're seeing in the UK.
00:02:49.740 And I take a lot of flack from this from all sides.
00:02:52.480 So David Cameron come out and said multiculturalism has failed when he was the Prime Minister of
00:02:57.920 Great Britain.
00:02:58.780 Angela Merkel said multiculturalism has failed. 0.90
00:03:01.020 For me, I think that's weak and it's cowardice because Islam has failed. 1.00
00:03:06.220 The Sikhs haven't failed. 0.96
00:03:07.400 The Jews haven't failed. 0.99
00:03:08.620 The Hindus haven't failed.
00:03:09.420 In fact, no other communities have failed to integrate and assimilate into Great Britain.
00:03:14.640 It's worked.
00:03:15.560 And my hometown, and I can only speak by experience, is a perfect example of that.
00:03:20.120 So any journalists who come to Luton, which is where the English Defence League started,
00:03:23.560 and it was born out of frustration.
00:03:24.940 Luton, by the CEA, was named as the epicentre for terrorist atrocities in Europe.
00:03:30.100 That's Luton.
00:03:30.560 Luton, the head office of al-Majraddin, Omar Baqri, Abu Hamza, some of the country's most 1.00
00:03:36.000 feared radical jihadists, their head office was in my town.
00:03:39.600 So some of the, and to some people, this is a faraway story.
00:03:42.520 When people go to fight for ISIS or they commit terrorist atrocities, it's just something you
00:03:46.220 read in the news.
00:03:47.060 I went to school with them.
00:03:48.240 I grew up with them, men.
00:03:49.440 I've got friends who I grew up with who converted to Islam in jail, who are now part of those
00:03:53.580 groups who have done jail for becoming ISIS terrorists.
00:03:56.540 So I've experienced all of that.
00:03:59.380 And growing up in Luton, when we went to school, there was the Muslim playground and the non-Muslim 1.00
00:04:04.580 playground.
00:04:05.460 We didn't create that.
00:04:06.740 There was just a non, there's total, no assimilation. 0.82
00:04:09.200 And I challenge every journalist that comes with me.
00:04:11.120 I challenge anyone.
00:04:12.260 And any American journalists who have come, I've had them come from the New Yorker, all
00:04:15.560 different magazines.
00:04:16.200 I said, right, I'll meet you in Luton.
00:04:18.040 I said, now I'll give you a challenge.
00:04:19.640 You go out in that town and find me Muslims with a non-Muslim. 1.00
00:04:22.180 Just find me one that aren't selling drugs.
00:04:25.020 Just find me a group of Muslims that have non-Muslim friends in amongst them. 1.00
00:04:29.340 You just won't do it.
00:04:30.340 You will not find it. 0.98
00:04:31.580 Every group of white children are with black children. 0.91
00:04:34.320 Every group of black children are with white children. 0.79
00:04:36.300 And I bring it back to even our school dinner tables.
00:04:39.400 When you go into our school dinner halls, everyone's sitting in the mix, whites, blacks, 0.99
00:04:43.740 Indians, Chinese, because we're very diverse.
00:04:46.660 And in the corner, there's eight, 10 tables of Muslims.
00:04:49.260 So I watched that growing up.
00:04:51.020 I experienced the hostility, the difference growing up in a town like that.
00:04:55.680 So when people say multiculturalism's failed, I say Islam's failed. 0.98
00:04:59.040 And you're too weak to admit that. 0.98
00:05:00.440 So when we had the rape gang scandal, which to any American viewers, to understand how big
00:05:05.640 of a problem this was, in 2004, I was 20 and I organized my first ever demonstration.
00:05:14.440 I called it Ban the Luton Taliban.
00:05:15.760 And I made leaflets.
00:05:16.560 And I actually presented these leaflets at, because people think I've changed.
00:05:20.440 This is at 20 years old.
00:05:21.600 This is at 20 years old.
00:05:22.700 Now, 20, I left school.
00:05:24.440 I'd done well at school.
00:05:25.420 Luton is a, Luton's the roughest town in the UK.
00:05:28.380 It has the most poverty.
00:05:29.820 It's a rough and violent town.
00:05:31.160 Were you ever part of a gang growing up or no?
00:05:33.020 No, no, not part of any gang.
00:05:35.020 Many of my friends, just because of where I grew up, are involved in criminality.
00:05:38.020 Tough guys.
00:05:38.540 Tough, yeah.
00:05:39.080 At 16 years old, what were you doing?
00:05:40.640 At 16 years old, I left school and I'd done an aeronautical engineering apprenticeship
00:05:43.960 with Britannia Airways.
00:05:44.940 So, I studied for four years to fix airplanes, to become an engineer.
00:05:49.420 I saw that, yeah.
00:05:50.140 Yeah.
00:05:50.460 So, I did that.
00:05:52.800 I done well.
00:05:53.460 I didn't try at school, but I naturally done well.
00:05:56.160 I got an A in maths.
00:05:57.440 I got five Bs, five Cs, and GCSEs.
00:05:59.440 But I never tried.
00:06:00.400 Were you always in trouble in high school or no?
00:06:04.260 Trouble was in, I was a Jack the Lad.
00:06:06.300 Were you arrested?
00:06:07.240 No, never arrested.
00:06:08.080 Never arrested.
00:06:08.740 Nothing like that, no.
00:06:09.700 Fights, you know, altercations.
00:06:11.980 There was fights and altercations.
00:06:13.040 And what I thought was normal growing up, I realized wasn't normal.
00:06:17.800 It was just team normal to us in Luton.
00:06:19.440 Luton's a very violent town.
00:06:20.580 And problems were dealt with violence.
00:06:22.100 Whether it be one score against another, there was a lot of problems.
00:06:24.780 When you say violent town, like who came from Luton?
00:06:27.240 Names that we would know.
00:06:28.240 Is it like, is there history?
00:06:29.980 Andrew Tate.
00:06:30.700 Andrew Tate's from Luton.
00:06:31.480 He's from Luton as well, really interesting.
00:06:33.080 Because, you know, initially he's the one that told me, put me in contact with you.
00:06:37.620 Okay.
00:06:37.920 Originally when we were talking.
00:06:39.300 So, okay, so you're coming up in a place like that.
00:06:41.340 But at 20 years old, which is 04, 21 years ago, where is the passion coming for you to
00:06:49.220 want to go up and do something about this?
00:06:50.840 20 years old, I'd seen, I had a cousin who was sexually groomed. 0.63
00:06:55.160 We call them grooming gangs. 0.98
00:06:56.520 They're rape gangs. 0.99
00:06:57.100 So I had a cousin who was taken by the Pakistani community. 0.99
00:07:00.420 She was raped continuously. 0.98
00:07:01.500 She woke up one time in a flat and there's loads of bearded men all raping her. 0.97
00:07:04.900 She run naked through the streets. 0.99
00:07:06.700 There was the prostitute. 1.00
00:07:07.460 She was only a child. 0.99
00:07:08.520 And there was a prostitute. 1.00
00:07:09.520 So then rang her dad. 0.98
00:07:10.660 Her dad's gone to get her.
00:07:11.940 But she kept escaping the house to get back to the gangs. 0.98
00:07:14.320 How old was she at the time?
00:07:15.480 She would have been 13. 1.00
00:07:17.100 They're doing this to her at 13 years old?
00:07:18.740 They do it.
00:07:19.100 They do it younger than 13.
00:07:20.320 And this is your first cousin?
00:07:21.640 This is our cousin, yeah.
00:07:22.800 First cousin?
00:07:23.480 No, my cousin's cousin.
00:07:25.240 So like a second cousin.
00:07:26.100 A second cousin, yeah.
00:07:26.740 And somebody that you interact with, you know this girl.
00:07:28.980 Yeah, and I remember listening as a child to all the family meetings about it.
00:07:32.880 So the family would all be having meetings.
00:07:34.360 But this may sound unbelievable to people.
00:07:37.020 The police wouldn't do anything.
00:07:38.320 They just called her a drug addict. 1.00
00:07:39.940 Not a child, not a victim, a drug addict.
00:07:42.380 Was she one?
00:07:43.040 Was she...
00:07:43.440 Yeah, because what they do is, the process is, they get a young girl.
00:07:47.400 And they groom them.
00:07:49.440 And the grooming period is, they give them trainers.
00:07:52.220 They give them phones.
00:07:53.060 They give them alcohol, cigarettes.
00:07:54.420 And they're nice to them at first.
00:07:57.300 And then they get their confidence and they separate them from their family.
00:08:00.200 They say, your mum and dad don't trust you.
00:08:01.900 They treat you like a little child.
00:08:03.600 And there's a process that these children go through. 0.94
00:08:06.260 And then they get them into sexual relationships with one man at first.
00:08:09.700 And then that man will manipulate the girl.
00:08:11.520 And before they know it, there's 10 men on them.
00:08:13.420 And then literally, there's stories which people would find amazing.
00:08:16.240 In some of the houses, the girls are in the houses, and there's men queuing at the doors 0.99
00:08:20.220 to go in one by one to rape them and rape them and rape them. 0.99
00:08:23.200 And people... 1.00
00:08:24.020 So I'd seen this.
00:08:25.560 And in 2000, I was...
00:08:27.200 As I said, I was successful.
00:08:28.400 I was doing all right for a young man.
00:08:30.180 And it was the Beslem Massacre.
00:08:32.640 The Beslem School Massacre.
00:08:35.000 To anyone who doesn't watch that, you should watch it.
00:08:36.880 I was young.
00:08:37.620 And I remember watching it.
00:08:38.380 And I was 19, 20, I think, at the time.
00:08:40.040 And I saw that in Russia, the Chechnyans had gone into a school, and the jihadists had
00:08:47.000 took over the school.
00:08:48.160 And all the parents were outside the school.
00:08:50.060 So imagine this.
00:08:50.840 Your kids are in school, and you hear there's terrorists who have took control of the school.
00:08:54.460 So the parents were outside the school.
00:08:56.240 And I remember watching the mums drop on their knees, and the parents, as they started
00:09:00.600 massacring the children inside the school.
00:09:02.400 So all their kids are getting murdered.
00:09:04.440 And I remember watching it, thinking, well, that's not one person doing it.
00:09:07.380 There was a whole group of men that had done it.
00:09:08.940 And then just a month later, I'm watching Muslims in Luton get interviewed in a chicken
00:09:13.700 shop in Luton.
00:09:15.180 And they're saying that this was a justified attack, and it would be justified in an English 0.59
00:09:20.360 school.
00:09:21.400 And from that moment on, that was my moment.
00:09:23.920 Because I remember, I watched this man say it.
00:09:25.960 His name was Saiful Islam, which is Sword of Islam.
00:09:28.800 And I watched him say it, and I thought, who is he?
00:09:31.560 And by this time, I was involved in, you know, the football scene in the UK, where many
00:09:38.020 would look at it as a football hooligan scene, where lots of young men go to football together
00:09:41.940 and certain clubs would have rivalries with each other.
00:09:44.480 I was involved in the football scene.
00:09:45.720 I remember looking at this group, and that was my awakening.
00:09:48.400 I looked at the group, and I saw Al-Majradin, the man that was talking.
00:09:51.560 And then the more I looked at them, I saw Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza. 0.94
00:09:54.040 I saw all of them were part of this group.
00:09:55.960 60% of the terrorists in UK jails are part of this group.
00:09:59.720 And then when I looked at them, I saw the head office was on Biscuit Road.
00:10:02.380 So I started looking at what they were saying, and on their website, and then they had a
00:10:05.680 pace table set up in our town center.
00:10:07.420 We have a bakery called Don Miller's.
00:10:10.200 And I went down to the pace table and watched what they were doing.
00:10:13.100 They were literally recruiting to send people to fight against our armed forces at the time,
00:10:18.500 Afghanistan and Iraq.
00:10:19.680 And they were openly doing it, celebrating it, sending so many Muslims out there to be
00:10:24.880 radicalized, to fight in jihad.
00:10:27.160 And I remember thinking, how are they doing this in our town center?
00:10:29.800 How old are you at the time?
00:10:30.760 You're 20 at the time.
00:10:31.620 Yeah, I was 20 at the time.
00:10:32.500 So then I made leaflets.
00:10:34.300 And remember, we'd seen our daughters, our cousins, our relatives, so many girls at school. 0.91
00:10:39.400 When I went to school, I knew so many girls that were being raped and prostituted. 1.00
00:10:42.360 But at the time as children, we just saw them as being with all the older Pakistani men. 0.98
00:10:48.000 So a lot of the kids would view the girls as slags. 1.00
00:10:50.960 We're looking at the girls thinking they were with all the older Pakistanis.
00:10:54.220 As children, we weren't viewing them as victims.
00:10:57.200 It's only as you grow up that you realize they're kids. 0.84
00:10:58.960 And they were being taken by men and raped. 0.57
00:11:01.420 But so I'd watched all these things going on. 0.89
00:11:03.620 I'd seen a lot of it.
00:11:04.640 So then when I saw them outside the town, when I saw them doing these protests, I wrote leaflets.
00:11:10.320 And I called it Ban the Looting Taliban.
00:11:12.260 And I went to all the lads that went to football and said, we've got to do something about these
00:11:16.180 terrorists. 0.53
00:11:16.780 They're in our town center every Saturday.
00:11:18.980 And the more I'd looked into them, the more I was...
00:11:20.860 Then I started looking at Islam and understanding why these people think the way they do. 1.00
00:11:24.340 What's their ideology?
00:11:25.200 And I'll be honest, it terrified me.
00:11:27.140 It terrified me that there was such a large group operating day in, day out that weren't
00:11:30.660 being challenged.
00:11:31.620 So I wrote these leaflets.
00:11:33.340 And in the leaflets, I said, whites and blacks are being religiously and racially targeted.
00:11:37.540 And I say this because we have... 0.97
00:11:41.140 If you're black or you're white, and there were drug dealers or criminals within communities, 0.93
00:11:45.080 which are in every community, the police would crush them. 0.98
00:11:47.960 But the Islamic community, they're driving around in Lamborghinis and Ferraris. 1.00
00:11:51.500 We know which shops they're using to front heroin.
00:11:56.400 And I said in this leaflet that they're using heroin as a weapon against our communities.
00:12:01.440 And they're getting our young girls hooked on heroin.
00:12:03.740 And then they're prostituting them in paedophile gangs.
00:12:06.660 And this was in 2000.
00:12:07.780 So no one knew about this.
00:12:09.040 And this leaflet went on the front page of my newspaper, local newspaper.
00:12:12.440 And in it, I said that we'd have a problem with your average Muslim, but there's a problem 1.00
00:12:16.460 what's going on here.
00:12:17.520 And someone needs to tackle it.
00:12:18.620 Now, the response I got from that, I face full backlash from every single Pakistani Muslim
00:12:24.800 gang, because our town is all 50% Pakistani. 0.68
00:12:27.980 They wanted to target me. 0.82
00:12:29.200 They wanted to attack me.
00:12:29.980 My mum's house got smashed up.
00:12:31.480 And in that leaflet, I named a gang.
00:12:33.620 They're called the Gambino Gang in Luton.
00:12:35.380 Very original for Pakistanis, calling themselves the Gambino Gang. 1.00
00:12:38.140 But they deal with all the prostitution, the drugs.
00:12:40.580 And that was in 2000.
00:12:41.980 Now, fast forward to 2007, our national newspapers started running articles about how the Gambino Gang
00:12:46.880 are linked with the jihadist groups and how they're funding all the terrorism.
00:12:50.640 But I've done this in 2000.
00:12:52.720 And I faced a massive onslaught for it.
00:12:54.780 I faced violence.
00:12:55.700 I faced attacks.
00:12:56.480 But growing up at that time, as our football group, there was quite a few English lads as
00:13:01.480 well.
00:13:01.980 And it was a bit of a battle over us not wanting to back down to the takeover of the town.
00:13:07.300 Fast forward then, we get to 2009.
00:13:12.440 And the soldiers are doing a homecoming parade.
00:13:15.100 But by the time we get to 2009, this happened in 2004.
00:13:18.500 Over those five years, I've gone on to set up a plumbing business.
00:13:22.520 I had a solarium shop.
00:13:24.020 I had seven properties.
00:13:25.480 So I'm doing well.
00:13:26.500 And my passion is making money.
00:13:28.440 So my passion is making money.
00:13:29.460 And like most people, I could have turned a blind eye to what was happening.
00:13:34.040 2009, our soldiers are given the freedom to walk through the town.
00:13:36.860 On a homecoming parade, this same group, Al-Majradin, have, I turned up on a Tuesday morning in
00:13:43.520 the town center.
00:13:44.440 And when I turned up, I see so many police.
00:13:47.000 It was for the parade.
00:13:48.420 I see police everywhere.
00:13:50.120 What's going on?
00:13:50.740 And I see about 30 or 40 women all with the niqab together, which is quite a sight anyway. 1.00
00:13:55.800 And then as I looked, I started spotting the jihadists.
00:14:00.180 Saifel Islam, Roger Ibrahim, all of their main extremists.
00:14:04.620 And now I realized they're going to attack the troops.
00:14:06.300 That's what's going to happen here.
00:14:07.620 But then I watched as the police took these jihadists, which they are ISIS, and through 1.00
00:14:13.800 my town hall.
00:14:14.560 So my town hall is in the town center.
00:14:16.220 They opened up the doors.
00:14:17.380 They took all the jihadists through the town hall. 0.88
00:14:19.340 And I'm thinking, what's going on?
00:14:20.880 And then I just heard all the commotion.
00:14:22.780 And as the soldiers had marched down the back of the road, they brought all the jihadists 0.91
00:14:26.180 out next to them. 0.98
00:14:27.360 And then the jihadists were screaming at them, baby killers, butchers of Basra. 0.98
00:14:30.600 They spat in some of the soldiers' mum's faces. 0.86
00:14:33.260 And that was the catalyst that then gave birth to the organization we formed.
00:14:37.640 I watched it that day.
00:14:39.160 And after this, I sat down with my cousin at the time and some of the other lads and said,
00:14:43.880 they can't get away with this.
00:14:45.460 Like, what's happening in our town?
00:14:47.900 It cannot be.
00:14:48.580 And Luton, every time Luton, just Google Luton and terrorism, yeah?
00:14:52.280 Five men found guilty after abusive chance.
00:14:54.300 That's them.
00:14:55.460 But you see Beeky, the one on the left, he went to my school.
00:14:59.000 This is the difference.
00:14:59.600 The one with the beer?
00:15:00.140 Yeah, he went to my school.
00:15:01.980 See, the difference is many people.
00:15:03.940 Who is the guy on the left?
00:15:05.240 Who's the one in the middle?
00:15:06.020 Who's the one on the right?
00:15:07.140 They're, so there's a group.
00:15:10.240 They're part of this extremist jihadist group.
00:15:12.800 All of them now have gone for terrorism.
00:15:16.120 Four of them are dead.
00:15:17.000 They went to fight for ISIS.
00:15:18.480 But at the time, you have to understand that they were not a prescribed group.
00:15:21.940 They ended up becoming a prescribed terrorist organisation, but only because we took them on.
00:15:27.300 They were allowed.
00:15:28.680 You know the scenes of Abu Hamza with the hook in Finnsbury Park, where hundreds of Muslims are in the streets, and he's calling for war and calling for jihad?
00:15:34.800 No one was stopping them.
00:15:36.040 Mohammed Hijab? 1.00
00:15:36.900 No, not Mohammed Hijab. 0.54
00:15:39.100 Abu Hamza with the hook. 1.00
00:15:40.920 He's a terrorist with the hook. 0.91
00:15:42.100 But back when this was going on, so this is going on in Luton, I watched that day, and then said, we've got to do something. 0.90
00:15:49.500 And if you Google Luton, every time my town, I'm quite tribal.
00:15:53.920 I think many Brits are.
00:15:55.320 I'm quite tribal about my town, about my school, about my football club.
00:15:58.300 And every time you heard Luton town mentioned, it was to do with terrorists.
00:16:02.440 And this incident, but this went worldwide.
00:16:06.020 And every time our town, and I love our town.
00:16:08.620 I love my town.
00:16:09.380 It's part of who I am.
00:16:10.540 And every time it's mentioned, it's to do with extremism and jihadists and terrorist plots.
00:16:14.920 Seven, seven, seven, seven, seven plot.
00:16:16.200 They collected their bombs in Luton, fertilizer bomb plot, Luton, Stockholm bomber, Luton.
00:16:21.820 So many of the world's planned jihadist attacks have been born out of my town.
00:16:26.260 And that happened because no one confronted them.
00:16:29.280 The security services didn't tackle them.
00:16:31.880 We then formed an organization.
00:16:33.580 And our purpose was to confront these gangs.
00:16:37.360 And then it forced the government to prescribe them as terrorist groups.
00:16:42.700 But they hadn't been prescribed.
00:16:43.800 What they'd been given as jihadists is a free reign for 20 to 30 years to radicalize and recruit in our towns and cities across the country.
00:16:53.280 I thought it was a local Luton issue.
00:16:55.240 Remember, I hadn't really left Luton.
00:16:56.500 I was 20 years old.
00:16:57.540 By the time this happened, I was 25.
00:16:59.900 So we started an organization to challenge what they were doing, highlight what they were doing, which gave birth to the English Defence League, which spread across the country.
00:17:07.700 I went from working on a building site to six months later being the leader of the biggest street protest movement Europe had seen.
00:17:15.560 This is the EDL.
00:17:16.340 This is the EDL.
00:17:17.880 And we traveled the country.
00:17:21.640 And we took to the streets.
00:17:22.960 And it went like that, to explain it.
00:17:25.460 It went like that.
00:17:26.400 We went from this incident against our soldiers, and they attacked them.
00:17:31.200 So then I organized a protest in response to it to show that the people of Luton support our armed forces.
00:17:37.440 And when we turned up that day, the police kettled us.
00:17:40.160 And I brought a cameraman just because I knew what they'd do.
00:17:43.520 So I watched that day as the terrorists were taken through the town hall.
00:17:46.580 And when people got angry, the police drew their batons on the English.
00:17:49.660 They didn't even look at the Muslims. 0.92
00:17:51.240 They weren't searched.
00:17:52.140 Nothing happened.
00:17:52.740 They were just allowed to spew their hay. 0.99
00:17:54.620 We organized something in response to that.
00:17:56.940 And when we turned up, I brought a cameraman.
00:17:58.980 He was a wedding photographer, a wedding cameraman.
00:18:01.680 It was £450.
00:18:02.840 I said, I just want you to film everything.
00:18:04.780 And then when we turned up in the town centre, they put us against the walls, cameras in our faces,
00:18:09.240 what's your name, take your shoes off, put their hands, searched us.
00:18:13.200 And as they're doing it, I said, you didn't do this to them.
00:18:16.180 You didn't search them.
00:18:17.540 When they attacked our armed forces, you didn't search them.
00:18:19.740 You didn't take their names.
00:18:21.140 You didn't abuse them the way you're abusing us right now.
00:18:23.400 And then when we went to try and get to the war memorial,
00:18:25.900 our big thing was this happened at our war memorial for our armed forces.
00:18:30.640 In that regiment, Scott Munbridge had died.
00:18:32.800 He's from our estate.
00:18:34.040 Another boy who was 19 lost his legs.
00:18:36.520 We went to pay our respects and they were attacked.
00:18:39.300 So it was a real, I said, you could have lit a match and our town would have blown up.
00:18:42.760 That's the feeling in the town, how angry and frustrated we were.
00:18:45.880 So as we turned up to show our support for our armed forces,
00:18:49.600 which was a march, it was a bank holiday Sunday, the bank holiday weekend,
00:18:52.920 the police stopped us from getting to the war memorial.
00:18:56.560 They come on horses and we made it very clear.
00:18:59.860 Luton is a diverse town.
00:19:01.720 When you try and talk about these issues, anything nationalist,
00:19:05.120 anything waving the St. George's flag or the union flag, it attracts. 1.00
00:19:09.660 I always said it attracts the brave and it also attracts some idiots. 1.00
00:19:13.620 Now, so National Front are a neo-Nazi sort of organisation. 1.00
00:19:18.580 But we thought the groups like this may try and turn up.
00:19:21.960 So we made it clear from the start.
00:19:24.020 National Front not welcome.
00:19:25.260 In our banners, in our first banners, we said,
00:19:27.560 Nigerian Christians, we stand with you.
00:19:29.960 Because the more I was learning, I looked and that year,
00:19:32.740 five Christian churches had been blown up on Christmas Day in Nigeria.
00:19:37.060 Didn't even make our news.
00:19:38.580 So I was looking at this jihad that was going on around the world
00:19:40.880 and I was going down a rabbit hole and understanding what it was
00:19:43.880 and looking at all these things.
00:19:45.500 Thought, right, we'll go and show our support for our armed forces.
00:19:47.920 And as we turn up to show our support for our armed forces,
00:19:50.660 the police kettled us.
00:19:52.160 And for three hours, they held our community.
00:19:55.160 My auntie was there.
00:19:56.200 She had to urinate in the street. 1.00
00:19:58.020 My friend, who's a little mixed race boy,
00:20:00.660 the police come past on a horse and hit him in the face with a Trojan, 0.67
00:20:03.720 knocked his teeth out.
00:20:05.140 And from that day then, it was like,
00:20:07.120 we can't even protest about it.
00:20:08.980 Like, you didn't stop them.
00:20:11.080 And do you know what?
00:20:11.500 Why, though?
00:20:11.940 Why didn't they stop them?
00:20:13.180 They had never said no to the Islamic community.
00:20:15.020 Why, though?
00:20:15.840 They're scared of them.
00:20:16.640 Of why?
00:20:17.140 So there was Bradford, the riots in Bradford, I think,
00:20:19.820 which were in 2001.
00:20:22.080 There was mass riots in Bradford
00:20:24.200 where the Pakistani community come out and burn Bradford. 0.98
00:20:26.680 But when they burned Bradford,
00:20:28.520 when they burned Bradford, they burned Oldham,
00:20:31.340 they burned, so the riots spread.
00:20:33.400 And I learned a lot of this by then talking to the police as well.
00:20:36.000 There was, from the point of these riots,
00:20:39.080 they basically just got appeased for everything and anything.
00:20:41.500 So that's fearful.
00:20:42.680 And what the Islamic community do?
00:20:43.820 Second largest Bible religion in South Asian of the UK city
00:20:45.900 with approximately 68,000 Pakistanis,
00:20:47.860 12,500 Indians, 5,000 Bangladesh,
00:20:50.780 3,000 Asians, having a majority of people in the city,
00:20:53.080 ethnicity, 78.3% white, 19.1% South Asian.
00:20:57.120 So-
00:20:58.000 Now that's changed.
00:20:59.160 That's at least 50, 60% Muslim.
00:21:01.140 The city.
00:21:01.780 Yeah.
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00:21:02.980 I'm a citizen journalist.
00:21:05.500 And for my work, I've become an enemy of the British state.
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