Valuetainment - “Muslims Were SLAUGHTERING Christians” - Sam Shamoun DEMOLISHES The Myth Of Islam’s Innocence

00:00:00.140 Sam, how many times have you read the Quran?

00:00:02.700 I don't know, really.

00:00:04.060 Maybe once or twice, I don't know.

00:00:06.040 No, stop it.

00:00:06.840 No, I'm serious, I don't...

00:00:08.720 Literally, you've read it maybe once or twice?

00:00:10.680 Yeah.

00:00:11.100 And how do you remember everything?

00:00:12.900 As I was trying, I said, I think we said off there,

00:00:15.400 in the 90s, I realized, honestly,

00:00:17.720 when I would have a conversation,

00:00:18.820 verses would pop in my head.

00:00:20.600 So, it's not I trained for it,

00:00:21.980 and I don't want people to be impressed by it, right?

00:00:24.140 No, knowledge puffs up, love builds up.

00:00:28.020 I got a lot of issues that I pray God will show me

00:00:30.120 mercy on the Day of Judgment.

00:00:31.100 But I just realized, maybe it's God's way of gifting me.

00:00:34.340 How many times have you read the Bible?

00:00:36.640 If I go back, I've probably read it two or three times.

00:00:39.900 Two or three times?

00:00:40.940 I don't really read it all the way through.

00:00:42.820 Like now, it's just like, you know,

00:00:44.680 I'll go through it, you know,

00:00:46.420 maybe read a psalm here or there,

00:00:47.640 or if I'm researching, yeah, it's...

00:00:50.020 I guess, like, when they drop...

00:00:51.400 Really, I was dropped as a child when I was one, in my head.

00:00:54.220 So, maybe I triggered something, I don't know.

00:00:55.640 Maybe that's how God does it, right?

00:00:56.720 Are you a massive...

00:00:58.340 Because when I sat down with Charlie Kirk

00:01:00.400 and we would talk to him,

00:01:02.320 off camera he would say he studies three hours every day,

00:01:06.240 no matter what he reads,

00:01:07.560 and studies three hours every day.

00:01:09.040 Do you have a ritual of studying a lot every day?

00:01:11.500 Do you read a lot every day?

00:01:12.640 Not that way.

00:01:13.380 What I do is, I'm always on my blog,

00:01:15.740 writing posts for people,

00:01:17.760 if not doing live streams.

00:01:18.800 So, I'm not studying,

00:01:20.580 I'm writing to equip people with articles

00:01:23.100 so they can use it in battle.

00:01:25.720 Because I want to equip people.

00:01:27.040 Because, look,

00:01:28.820 if the Lord tarries, I'm going to die.

00:01:30.420 So, at six and a half,

00:01:32.340 this nine-year-old comes to you.

00:01:33.720 At that time,

00:01:34.720 at that time,

00:01:36.020 what's your relationship with your dad,

00:01:37.400 at six and a half?

00:01:38.600 My dad walked away when I was probably seven,

00:01:42.040 shortly right after that.

00:01:43.080 So, it's right around that time

00:01:44.300 that this is happening to you.

00:01:45.940 Got it.

00:01:46.300 Okay, so that had a massive impact on you.

00:01:48.500 Huge.

00:01:48.920 Huge.

00:01:49.540 So, is that a moment for you

00:01:52.000 where your biological father walked out,

00:01:54.980 but your spiritual father's going to be with you forever?

00:01:58.040 Did that give you that peace as a young man?

00:01:59.700 Yeah, Raymond was...

00:02:00.740 Young boy?

00:02:01.220 Yeah, Raymond was pretty much my dad,

00:02:03.260 even though he was nine.

00:02:04.200 And his grandmother,

00:02:06.340 my mother was a wonderful woman.

00:02:08.260 She left a wonderful legacy.

00:02:09.540 But she wasn't educated in scripture.

00:02:11.520 But his grandmother was my spiritual mother.

00:02:13.440 Raymond's grandmother.

00:02:14.500 Raymond's, yeah, because his mother died when he was young.

00:02:16.620 So, his maternal grandmother raised him and his brother.

00:02:19.900 How much time did you spend with her?

00:02:21.840 I think from six and a half to ten.

00:02:24.320 How often?

00:02:24.940 Like every day?

00:02:25.560 Every day we'd go.

00:02:26.420 I'd hang out with him every day.

00:02:27.460 We'd go to the house.

00:02:28.060 She would teach us prayers.

00:02:29.400 She would or he would?

00:02:30.580 She would.

00:02:31.440 In fact, because of her impact,

00:02:33.100 I still remember.

00:02:34.480 Now I know it's part of the liturgy of the Assyrian Church,

00:02:37.700 but I didn't know that back then.

00:02:38.840 She taught me this.

00:02:40.840 It etched, for some reason, those prayers.

00:02:42.600 She taught me that.

00:02:46.920 She also taught me the Ave Maria,

00:02:48.580 but in a different way from where, you know,

00:02:51.260 like Buccelli says it.

00:02:53.380 She taught it this way.

00:02:54.220 Now, guys, I'm not a singer,

00:02:55.380 and I'm not going to give up my day job.

00:02:56.820 So, she taught it this way.

00:02:58.720 Ave, Ave, Ave Maria.

00:03:02.920 So, I remember that.

00:03:03.740 For some reason, it stayed in my mind.

00:03:05.800 Right?

00:03:05.980 She was a wonderful woman.

00:03:07.560 Six and a half years old.

00:03:08.840 Was Raymond's grandmother friends with your mother?

00:03:11.560 No.

00:03:12.160 They didn't know each other?

00:03:12.940 No.

00:03:13.440 They were in the neighborhood.

00:03:15.820 So, you know, you know how you meet people high and by.

00:03:18.480 You're Chicago.

00:03:19.180 Yeah.

00:03:19.420 It wasn't like, you know, oh, we're cousin.

00:03:21.200 No.

00:03:21.360 It's just he was taught to go soul winning.

00:03:24.400 So, when he won me, he took me to his grandmother,

00:03:27.260 and she'd teach us prayers.

00:03:28.180 And what was the denomination?

00:03:30.400 She was Catholic.

00:03:31.540 His uncle on his mother's side became Baptist.

00:03:35.580 So, later on at 18 years old, when that security guard,

00:03:39.900 the guy you're working with at the valley, at this Bob's city.

00:03:42.760 Yeah, Bob's city.

00:03:44.760 When you worked there, and he introduced you to the Nation of Islam

00:03:48.800 and, you know, Farrakhan and all these guys.

00:03:52.040 At that time, would you say pre-meeting him,

00:03:55.260 you'd consider yourself a Christian, or your last teenager kind of going through?

00:03:58.380 Yeah, I had pretty much turned my back on Christian.

00:04:00.920 When you left at 10 years old, 1982, you said?

00:04:03.560 It was about 13.

00:04:04.280 13.

00:04:04.800 When he hit 10, he re-looked, but, yeah, I think he was 10, he moved.

00:04:07.680 Then I started slipping, but around 13, I was just, ah.

00:04:09.960 Gone.

00:04:10.440 Yeah.

00:04:10.720 So, 13 to 18, there's nothing?

00:04:12.120 No.

00:04:12.760 No church, no mentor, no father figure, no nothing?

00:04:16.000 Yeah.

00:04:16.540 Did you go to college?

00:04:17.640 Are you a good student in school?

00:04:18.860 No.

00:04:18.880 What are you doing in school?

00:04:20.660 I was such a good student, I got that on out of high school.

00:04:23.740 Third year.

00:04:24.880 Yeah.

00:04:25.340 In high school.

00:04:25.960 Yeah, and I got a GD.

00:04:26.680 And this is Chicago.

00:04:27.120 Yep.

00:04:27.560 Then I got a GD.

00:04:28.300 And never been to college, never been to St. Mary, never been to university.

00:04:32.700 What was your, you know, what class came easy to you?

00:04:36.220 Are you a math guy?

00:04:37.160 Are you an English guy?

00:04:38.040 Are you a history guy?

00:04:38.880 Are you?

00:04:39.400 I liked history, but not in school.

00:04:41.120 I just hated being in school because of my body dysmorphia and low self-esteem.

00:04:44.920 I couldn't be around crowds.

00:04:45.980 Were you in gangs?

00:04:46.800 Were you a troublemaker?

00:04:47.800 Were you?

00:04:48.220 I was with the gangs, but I wasn't the tough guy.

00:04:50.740 I mean, yeah, I hung out with, like, the Assyrian kings.

00:04:54.840 In Chicago.

00:04:55.780 Okay.

00:04:56.300 Assyrian kings, right?

00:04:57.160 Yeah.

00:04:57.260 So 18 years old, you meet this guy.

00:04:59.500 Did you ever convert and become a Muslim or no?

00:05:02.760 In my heart, I believe Muhammad was a prophet, but it's not good enough because if you go 1.00

00:05:07.280 with Sunni Islamic tradition, you have to take the Shahada in front of at least two witnesses.

00:05:12.780 But the guy who was talking about Islam, he didn't take me to a mosque.

00:05:15.580 He just was talking.

00:05:16.460 And then I started.

00:05:17.480 My curiosity is such that when I get into something, I have to study it.

00:05:20.800 So if I backtrack, like, when I like Bruce Lee, I add up every book on Bruce Lee, and I would

00:05:26.540 devour hours into Bruce Lee.

00:05:28.140 I had to know this guy inside and up.

00:05:29.980 When it came to bodybuilding, I would devour every bodybuilding magazine, and there was

00:05:34.440 Arnold Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia.

00:05:36.040 Something about me, when I'm into something, I eat it up, and nothing else matters.

00:05:42.720 It's like, I'm just focused on this.

00:05:44.320 The world can go to hell.

00:05:45.680 I mean, God forbid.

00:05:46.460 But, you know, I'm not.

00:05:47.200 And so whatever I focus on becomes the entire center of my life.

00:05:56.140 Everything I do revolves around that.

00:05:57.980 So during this time, I'm thinking, I'm really, I've deceived myself.

00:06:00.460 I'm going to make it to Hollywood.

00:06:02.120 The Lord had a sense of your view.

00:06:03.280 At 18.

00:06:04.000 At 18.

00:06:04.180 Yeah, when I was bodybuilding, my goal was that I'm going to get into Hollywood like

00:06:09.540 these guys did.

00:06:10.160 Bruce Lee did martial arts.

00:06:11.200 I'm going to do it somehow.

00:06:12.620 I'm going to do it somehow.

00:06:13.400 So are you watching Jean-Claude Van Damme?

00:06:15.000 Are you watching all these movies?

00:06:16.120 Are you watching?

00:06:16.600 I would watch them, but they never compare to Bruce Lee.

00:06:18.600 I would watch Bruce Lee over again.

00:06:19.540 You know who's a big Bruce Lee guy?

00:06:20.740 Who?

00:06:20.900 Dana White.

00:06:21.740 He is?

00:06:22.180 You go to his gym in his office.

00:06:23.660 Come on, man.

00:06:24.140 Bruce Lee quotes everywhere.

00:06:26.120 He's all right.

00:06:26.660 When you walk into his office, there's a Bruce Lee quote on the wall in his office.

00:06:30.780 Like, Dana's a Bruce Lee fanatic.

00:06:34.120 So he does think he's a real dude.

00:06:35.220 He's not a fake, huh?

00:06:36.340 No, no, no, no.

00:06:37.240 Good, man.

00:06:37.800 Based on the way I had when I was with him, it was a lot of respect for him.

00:06:41.260 His quotes are all over his gym, everywhere.

00:06:43.340 Okay, so 18 years old.

00:06:46.640 Now, is he discipling you?

00:06:49.020 Is this guy discipling you?

00:06:49.720 No.

00:06:49.900 Did he bring you anywhere?

00:06:50.840 Did you meet somebody?

00:06:51.820 Did someone, did you meet any of the big names on the Nation of Islam?

00:06:55.420 Nothing.

00:06:55.760 It's all independent identity.

00:06:57.060 I just went searching.

00:06:58.220 Went to bookstores.

00:06:59.320 18 years old, there's no internet.

00:07:00.820 There is internet, but there's not the Google and all that stuff because, you know, your

00:07:04.600 age where you're at.

00:07:05.760 I don't remember using internet at that time either.

00:07:07.520 No.

00:07:07.620 It was more the AOL chat or whatever.

00:07:09.340 Yeah, I remember the slow one.

00:07:11.240 Yeah, that's right.

00:07:12.320 Net zero and all of that.

00:07:14.020 Yeah.

00:07:14.320 Yeah.

00:07:14.580 So, okay.

00:07:15.040 So at this time you're going through it and then you read the Quran and you go through

00:07:18.500 your phase.

00:07:19.580 What are you doing occupation wise?

00:07:21.520 What are you doing to make money?

00:07:22.420 At that time I was working security and sometimes I'd work as a tow truck guy just to buy time

00:07:29.620 to get into it.

00:07:30.240 I'm serious.

00:07:30.700 I was really, I really thought I was delusional.

00:07:33.380 All right.

00:07:33.960 But how did I find, how did I research?

00:07:36.340 I just go to bookstore.

00:07:37.120 There was a Muslim bookstore in Chicago, Northside, Devon.

00:07:41.600 There was actually two.

00:07:42.800 One of them is still there.

00:07:43.920 If the people are watching, they'll know what I'm talking about.

00:07:45.560 It's by Devon, California.

00:07:46.660 It's called Iqra. 0.89

00:07:47.780 But in the 90s it was not at that same spot.

00:07:50.560 So I'd go buy Muslim books and I'd go, now we still have Barnes and Nobles, but at that 0.95

00:07:55.720 time we also had Borders.

00:07:57.080 You guys remember Borders?

00:07:57.960 Of course.

00:07:58.420 Yeah.

00:07:58.800 I love Borders more than Barnes and Nobles.

00:08:00.480 Why is it?

00:08:01.000 I don't know, man.

00:08:01.880 I just, I don't know.

00:08:03.280 I just liked it.

00:08:04.960 Maybe the colors, who knows?

00:08:06.180 But I would go there and try to get books and then Muslim bookstores, obviously.

00:08:11.040 But what really did it for me is I would buy VHS tape debates.

00:08:17.580 We're living in a time of the VCR, VHS.

00:08:20.560 You know, some people say, what is that, right?

00:08:22.460 I think it's like the way of the dodo bird.

00:08:24.660 Beta Max and, you know, we had VHS.

00:08:26.720 So they would sell Muslim Christian debates.

00:08:30.560 Now all those debates are online on YouTube, but that time we didn't have YouTube.

00:08:34.640 So I bought them and I'll tell you how I got into apologetics because that was because

00:08:39.360 of some Muslim guy who challenged me.

00:08:40.860 But when I watched the debates, I'm designed in a weird way.

00:08:46.200 I learned more from attacks on the faith than I learned from defending the faith because 0.73

00:08:50.180 it forces me to think.

00:08:51.820 So I was watching the Muslim slaughtering the Christians and it got me to think, how do 1.00

00:08:56.040 I answer this guy?

00:08:57.360 So that put a fire in me to find answers.

00:08:59.420 Now, I was never a disciple.

00:09:00.760 I didn't have a pastor.

00:09:01.740 I didn't have a priest.

00:09:02.580 I didn't.

00:09:03.040 I had to just rely on God's spirit to guide me to the right sources, find the right, let's

00:09:08.480 say, authors or listen to the right Christians. 0.92

00:09:11.040 But when it came to Christian-Muslim debates, the Christians were getting slaughtered. 0.94

00:09:14.120 Now, I cannot tell you of any Christian that I think won a debate decisively in the 90s. 0.83

00:09:21.820 There were some close, but for some reason, the Muslims were slaughtering the Christians. 1.00

00:09:26.060 What was their angle?

00:09:27.040 What angle did they take that Christians didn't have a way to defend themselves?

00:09:30.180 Even when it came to Christian topics, the Christians were doing bad. 1.00

00:09:33.280 Like, is the Bible God's word?

00:09:35.300 You would have scholars.

00:09:36.420 Like, in fact, it's on YouTube.

00:09:37.340 Like, the late Dr. Gleason L. Archer, who was Professor Emeritus of, now it's closed,

00:09:43.520 but in Deerfield, Illinois, you had Trinity Evangelical Divinity Seminary. 0.75

00:09:49.300 This man was a beast.

00:09:50.940 Now, he's since been with, he's gone with the Lord. 0.95

00:09:53.820 He would read and write 25 languages.

00:09:57.740 He's amazing.

00:09:58.860 But when it came to debate, he was getting slaughtered. 0.98

00:10:02.020 And by neophyte Muslims who don't know biblical languages. 0.85

00:10:05.140 And on topics you think it would be easy for him. 0.95

00:10:07.360 He was just getting slaughtered.

00:10:08.720 You'll find on YouTube, Gleason Archer, Muslim Debates, disappointing.

00:10:12.000 Trinity, getting slaughtered.

00:10:13.760 Topics that we should win.

00:10:15.480 It's one thing when you're debating a Muslim topic you're not familiar with.

00:10:18.240 And, you know, you have the advantage.

00:10:19.480 You're a Muslim. 0.98

00:10:20.400 But when it comes to your own topics, and you are, and he is brilliant, but he's not a debater.

00:10:25.220 See, you'll see some of the debates right there.

00:10:27.080 Gleason Archer versus Jamal Baravi.

00:10:28.340 The authenticity of the Quran.

00:10:30.020 I mean, it was heartbreaking.

00:10:33.020 Because I'm not a scholar.

00:10:34.300 I'm just a, you know, teenager.

00:10:35.860 And these scholars, you know, is there a response?

00:10:40.300 So to tell you how I got into this, so see how God works.

00:10:43.540 When I finally did embrace Christ and realized that Muhammad was deceived and anti-Christ, 1.00

00:10:48.840 1 John 2, 22, 23.

00:10:50.160 I had a friend who used to teach me how to box, because I used to teach him how to bodybuild.

00:10:55.500 I don't want to mention his name.

00:10:56.780 I don't know what happened to him since.

00:10:58.860 And I don't want to get him in trouble.

00:11:00.500 I don't know if he's still in the faith.

00:11:02.280 But he was from a Bosnian background.

00:11:04.720 His father was a boxing coach.

00:11:05.880 And so he would teach me boxing.

00:11:08.880 I would teach him how to lift weights.

00:11:10.220 Because remember, I'm going to get into Hollywood, brother. 0.64

00:11:12.180 What the hell? 1.00

00:11:12.960 Damn you. 1.00

00:11:15.800 As I started talking to him about Christianity, he started getting interested. 1.00

00:11:19.840 Now, remember, he's Muslim background.

00:11:22.420 Bosnian Muslim background.

00:11:23.660 Yes, yeah.

00:11:23.960 Interesting.

00:11:25.560 So he started not going to the Jummah prayers, Friday prayers, and his community college,

00:11:32.720 Wright College.

00:11:33.780 So the Muslims started noticing.

00:11:34.840 So they asked him, what's going on?

00:11:36.720 He goes, well, you know, I'm starting to get into Christianity.

00:11:39.460 Who's the guy?

00:11:40.520 Who's been influencing you?

00:11:42.160 Well, I'm a neophyte.

00:11:43.220 I'm green.

00:11:43.620 I don't know much about it.

00:11:44.320 I'm just learning.

00:11:45.000 So I met a couple of his friends.

00:11:47.560 They brought in a big gun.

00:11:49.120 I don't want to mention his name.

00:11:49.920 I don't want to give him publicity.

00:11:51.440 It's from Chicago.

00:11:52.280 He was a real estate guy from South Asia.

00:11:55.980 We'll leave it at that.

00:11:57.280 He walked in the church that I was in.

00:11:58.800 It was a Korean church.

00:11:59.940 He had like a folder, you know, binder.

00:12:02.380 I don't know what they call it.

00:12:03.180 But, you know, we don't have it anymore.

00:12:05.240 But he came in.

00:12:06.600 He opened it up.

00:12:08.020 You know, they have those rings, paper.

00:12:10.940 Yeah.

00:12:11.220 It was ready, man.

00:12:12.060 He had a combat kit.

00:12:13.020 It's called the combat.

00:12:13.560 Later on, I realized they call it the combat kit.

00:12:16.060 In fact, it was made famous by another Muslim debater named Ahmad Didat.

00:12:21.080 Ahmad Didat, who since deceased in 2005, he became famous when he debated Jimmy Swigert as the Bible God's word.

00:12:28.900 And from the Muslim perspective, Swigert got destroyed. 0.99

00:12:32.200 That made him international.

00:12:33.940 He's from South Africa.

00:12:34.760 If you look at it from a logical perspective, he didn't win.

00:12:39.280 But debates are not won on substance.

00:12:41.900 It's won on rhetoric, personality, and flesh.

00:12:46.140 And he's very charismatic.

00:12:47.540 He's another guy.

00:12:48.280 Jimmy Swigert did.

00:12:49.220 But he won.

00:12:50.020 If you look at just the facts, Swigert won.

00:12:53.360 But the rhetoric and the confidence of Didat.

00:12:55.460 He was a very huge fellow.

00:12:57.100 Right?

00:12:57.640 Just impressed and bedazzled the Muslims. 1.00

00:13:00.240 He was the biggest Muslim debater at that time.

00:13:02.940 The second big is Jamal Barri, who debated Gleason Archer.

00:13:05.240 But coming back to this guy, you'll find it here.

00:13:08.320 Didat, Ahmad Didat, Jimmy Swigert.

00:13:10.480 See?

00:13:12.640 These are some of the historic debates that are setting the ground for future apologists.

00:13:17.960 Some of the debates.

00:13:19.460 So this guy had a combat kit.

00:13:21.000 Because if you put an Ahmad Didat combat kit, he wrote books for Muslims to take. 1.00

00:13:26.280 Right?

00:13:26.660 There it goes.

00:13:27.540 See?

00:13:28.040 Against Bible thumpers. 1.00

00:13:29.940 This guy had his own combat kit.

00:13:31.620 Right?

00:13:32.060 That's so funny.

00:13:32.840 Yeah.

00:13:33.040 So what he did was, he had verses of Bible that contradict.

00:13:37.520 If it's God's word, then what about these contradictions?

00:13:39.980 Now, I'm green.

00:13:40.560 I don't know nothing.

00:13:41.680 I have no idea, brother.

00:13:42.700 I just came into faith.

00:13:43.880 Give me a break.

00:13:44.440 No.

00:13:44.720 He came.

00:13:45.600 This is one other reason people say, why are you so aggressive?

00:13:49.000 You know, you're very, like sometimes you can be very nasty.

00:13:51.880 And because I think what he did to me impacted me because he was very nasty to me.

00:13:58.880 And he bullied me.

00:14:00.640 And there's something about me that triggers me.

00:14:02.560 When I feel I'm bullied, right?

00:14:04.540 That's it.

00:14:05.040 Yep.

00:14:05.280 Ahmad Didat.

00:14:05.780 You know, you're very sincere.

Valuetainment - November 15, 2025

“Muslims Were SLAUGHTERING Christians” - Sam Shamoun DEMOLISHES The Myth Of Islam’s Innocence

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