Valuetainment - April 04, 2026


“NATO’s A Paper Tiger” - Trump ROASTS NATO As Exit Rumors GROW


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Trump absolutely considering NATO exit will rip Europe in primetime remarks. Will he withdraw the United States from NATO? Is this a done deal or not done deal? Special guest Pat McAfee joins us to discuss the possibility of a U.S. withdrawal.

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00:00:30.000 Trump absolutely considering NATO exit will rip Europe in primetime remarks.
00:00:35.140 He said on Wednesday that he's absolutely considering withdrawing the United States from the NATO.
00:00:39.020 Is this, yeah, well, play the clip, Rob. Go for it.
00:00:42.780 To be honest, I was really asking, because I wanted to see what they do.
00:00:48.000 We didn't need them. We're blasting the hell out of them, out of Iran. 1.00
00:00:52.520 The last thing I needed was NATO stepping in our way, because they're not, they're a paper tiger.
00:00:57.800 so we didn't need him
00:01:00.480 but I asked anyway
00:01:01.920 and they probably think I'm the worst
00:01:04.260 salesman ever
00:01:05.360 I was the worst 0.97
00:01:07.100 there you go
00:01:09.360 so he continues
00:01:11.460 Trump and Iran were telling the telegraph that NATO's future is beyond
00:01:14.340 reconsideration after European
00:01:16.280 leaders barred U.S. of military bases
00:01:18.100 for month-long Iran conflict
00:01:20.280 and balked at U.S.'s request for naval
00:01:22.240 support to reopen the Strait of Hormuz
00:01:23.800 I was never swayed by NATO
00:01:25.080 NATO for generations
00:01:27.600 has been a cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy, committing to U.S., Canada,
00:01:30.420 and major nations in Europe to collectively defense against external threats.
00:01:36.240 So this is a big statement to be made.
00:01:39.660 By the way, just so you guys know, I thought that when he gave that speech at night,
00:01:47.540 at 9 p.m., I thought the announcement was going to be we're leaving NATO,
00:01:51.200 or I thought the announcement was going to be the Gulf states are paying for the war.
00:01:54.640 I thought it was going to be some announcement like that.
00:01:56.560 We haven't covered it because we did a great job covering it with Werner and Luke yesterday.
00:02:00.060 It was great.
00:02:01.420 But what do you think about, Tom, when he's making these comments about NATO?
00:02:05.120 How do you process this?
00:02:06.960 How far do you think he'll go with this?
00:02:09.260 Well, he is a great negotiator, and he's a great dealmaker.
00:02:13.340 And what he is reminding them is if you look over the course of human history,
00:02:18.640 you know, alliances, you know, are not necessarily permanent.
00:02:22.280 Now, I am not in favor of breaking the NATO alliance.
00:02:27.760 I am in favor of everybody pays their fair share, and we get certain and get everybody on the same page in terms of strategy.
00:02:36.040 But what he's saying is he's saying, look, if this – we had – remember the SALT treaties, SALT and SALT II, and they broke and they fell apart?
00:02:44.980 Why?
00:02:45.260 Why? Because they didn't outlive their usefulness. Everybody started behaving differently, and suddenly the treaty was worthless, and then you had to go negotiate SALT, too.
00:02:56.460 And so people say, well, those are just treaties. You don't know what you're talking about.
00:02:59.700 This is, well, really? Those are pretty important treaties. What you have here, Pat, is Europe is going through a metamorphosis of its own. And the France that signed NATO is not the France we're dealing with today.
00:03:17.400 The U.K. that signed NATO and all the NATO nations are not the same today.
00:03:23.480 They have different strategies and different implementations politically.
00:03:28.220 And so what he's saying is this, you know what, if this has outlived its usefulness, you know, maybe we need to make a change.
00:03:36.080 And I think that's the point he's making, and he's making it from a negotiation chair and a deal-making chair.
00:03:44.560 He's reminding them about why were we, why do we get into this in the first place?
00:03:49.460 Pat, you've done this.
00:03:50.220 You've had carriers.
00:03:51.420 You had very large insurance carriers.
00:03:53.920 They changed.
00:03:54.840 They got different CEOs.
00:03:56.100 Oh, we had one that had different financial situation came up, remember?
00:03:59.740 And they had to completely change all their distribution policies and who they worked with because their financials completely changed.
00:04:06.900 So guess what?
00:04:07.600 someone that was a staunch ally one year
00:04:10.040 and a staunch supporter one
00:04:12.000 year, therefore a distribution agreement
00:04:14.140 if you look at it in political terms, all of a sudden
00:04:16.040 they can't do it. So you have no treaty anymore.
00:04:18.380 So I don't want to see NATO
00:04:19.660 torn apart, but I think
00:04:21.720 he's negotiating and I think there's
00:04:24.020 a lot of things going on in the middle of it
00:04:25.860 and they're showing their face. Oh, you can't use
00:04:28.000 my airspace. I've got for NATO!
00:04:30.100 Tom, let me ask you. We've been in
00:04:31.960 thousands of meetings together. If something
00:04:33.940 like this happened, how would we have handled it
00:04:35.660 with NATO?
00:04:37.600 we would have said, if you want to, if you, not well.
00:04:42.440 I don't think it would have, we would have reminded them.
00:04:44.880 You understand what I'm saying?
00:04:45.240 Would we have taken similar approaches to say, oh, really,
00:04:47.720 this is what you want to do?
00:04:49.100 No problem.
00:04:50.300 No problem.
00:04:50.780 That's exactly what we would have done,
00:04:52.140 especially when we had all the distribution
00:04:53.960 and you were representing a position of strength.
00:04:56.580 Yeah, so you know what's funny is when I look at this
00:04:59.240 and I look at the fumbles leader's way, we all make them.
00:05:02.860 We've done them.
00:05:03.340 I've done it.
00:05:03.860 God knows how many I've done, and he's going to do it as well.
00:05:05.600 There's no perfection.
00:05:06.380 I've done it.
00:05:06.840 Trusting in your instinct, right, when he's coming out and doing this.
00:05:10.540 This is the part where I voted for him.
00:05:13.740 I want him in the negotiating room.
00:05:15.000 You know who capitalized off this yesterday, trying to get in front of the mix?
00:05:18.800 You know who posted something on Instagram yesterday?
00:05:22.020 My favorite clip for some people, just sometimes we need to be reminded.
00:05:26.780 I want to show you something, too.
00:05:29.520 Guys, get your blood pressure machine next to you.
00:05:33.100 Get your blood pressure machine next to you.
00:05:35.060 Let me see if I can find this thing.
00:05:36.840 that I saw literally, I think it was just a couple days ago.
00:05:42.660 Let me see if I can find this.
00:05:44.160 I'll find it.
00:05:44.760 Somebody saw this as an opportunity.
00:05:46.660 Oh, right there.
00:05:47.420 Okay.
00:05:49.340 Is this a round of people?
00:05:53.620 Yeah.
00:05:54.980 Well, let me find this.
00:05:57.040 I'll send it to you.
00:05:57.620 But here's the point.
00:05:59.020 I voted for this guy to do that.
00:06:01.020 We didn't have it with Biden.
00:06:02.380 I didn't feel comfortable with Obama.
00:06:04.120 Kamala, I didn't think, could negotiate anything
00:06:05.920 except for, anyways, you know, additional activities.
00:06:11.180 But you have a negotiator in there that's doing this.
00:06:14.180 And I think this NATO thing could backfire on them
00:06:20.220 if a Republican gets reelected in 2028.
00:06:24.660 But the first thing, like right now, think like a Democrat.
00:06:28.560 Guess what the Democrats are doing right now?
00:06:30.840 Guess what a Newsom or an AOC would be doing right now? 0.58
00:06:33.080 You know what's the power position right now for Newsom to do?
00:06:36.620 If I'm a Democratic strategist, all I'm saying is, hey, man, get up on the public, make a video, and talk about the history of NATO and how important it is to us.
00:06:50.520 Right now is the right move for a Democrat to get up and talk about why this relationship is so important.
00:06:57.260 Capitalize off of it.
00:06:58.860 For Republicans, you need one more term.
00:07:00.940 because if this term doesn't go four more years to 2032,
00:07:05.360 NATO is going to go like this in 2028
00:07:08.020 with a Democrat getting elected.
00:07:10.080 A Newsom or an AOC should get on the pulpit right now 1.00
00:07:13.100 and start selling the history of NATO.
00:07:17.220 And they will because this is opportunistic.
00:07:19.300 You've got to slide into the girls' DM after the breakup, 1.00
00:07:22.380 you know, those dirty things that people do.
00:07:24.040 You know what I'm talking about?
00:07:24.780 Yeah, so this is the part where, you know,
00:07:28.140 they just had a breakup.
00:07:29.340 NATO and Trump are looking like they're going through a breakup.
00:07:31.800 Newsom should—I'm surprised if they haven't already, by the way.
00:07:34.420 But I think this is going to be nasty in a big way.
00:07:37.380 What's this one, Rob? This approval rating?
00:07:38.900 Is this about the economy that we were talking about?
00:07:40.760 Yes, sir.
00:07:41.260 Go ahead and play this clip. Go for it.
00:07:43.340 Gracious, what a disaster.
00:07:45.000 72% in our latest CNN polls say they disapprove of the president on inflation.
00:07:49.980 Joe Biden, an average of polls at this point in his presidency, 68%.
00:07:54.220 And Jimmy Carter, whose presidency, just like Joe Biden's, was absolutely wrecked by inflation, was at 66 percent about at this point in his presidency back in 1978.
00:08:04.860 Donald Trump, even worse than they are.
00:08:08.060 76 percent. Three in four Americans disapprove of the way that Donald Trump is handling gas prices.
00:08:15.220 The worst of all time at this point in term number two.
00:08:19.160 It's the economy dragging Trump down.
00:08:21.440 Oh, my goodness gracious.
00:08:23.800 Okay, Tom.
00:08:25.620 So on this is basically.
00:08:29.440 Actually, you know what?
00:08:29.900 Let me go to Adam because I think, Adam, this was your story on the economy.
00:08:32.240 Go for it.
00:08:32.620 Well, does this have to do with NATO or is this separate?
00:08:34.680 Both of them.
00:08:35.200 Do NATO on this as well.
00:08:36.280 Well, I didn't really understand that.
00:08:37.800 Is he talking about inflation or is he talking about gas prices?
00:08:39.660 Because his inflation is at 2.5% right now.
00:08:42.060 Under Biden, it was 8%.
00:08:43.160 I know we've had multiple arguments with this about the money printing quantitative easing.
00:08:46.560 But if the stat is about inflation, here it goes, 2.4%.
00:08:50.940 Go to the fact that Americans don't feel confident about the way he's handling the economy right now.
00:08:56.300 Of course, gas prices.
00:08:58.040 By the way, can you guys post in the comment section how much gas prices are right now?
00:09:01.880 And FYI, Rob, ask the question the following way.
00:09:04.660 Has your gas prices gone up $0.50 to $1, $1.50, $1.50 plus to $2 and $2 plus?
00:09:12.940 Give those four options.
00:09:14.540 $52 buck, $1.50, $1.50 to $2 plus.
00:09:17.600 I'm curious to know what the gas price is going to be at.
00:09:19.360 Where are you guys at?
00:09:19.840 Go ahead, Adam.
00:09:20.720 Look, you know, what's the fear versus greed index?
00:09:24.000 If you want to pull that up, people are in extreme fear right now.
00:09:26.720 But much like the markets, things change weekly to monthly.
00:09:31.440 We'll be out of this in a matter of weeks, if not months.
00:09:34.320 So Trump is fighting so many wars right now, whether it's the external forces of the wars
00:09:38.800 or whether it's the media wars.
00:09:39.900 This is nothing new for Trump.
00:09:41.660 I think the speech that Trump gave, was it last night, two nights ago?
00:09:45.980 First.
00:09:46.220 was so needed very calm very surgical here's what's going on what's the whole phrase that we
00:09:52.320 said short-term pain for the long-term gain that's what's going to happen regarding NATO
00:09:57.440 if you told me a year ago how dare you we can't leave NATO we're part of NATO those are our allies
00:10:04.220 but then you unpack the numbers do you know what percentage of the overall budget of NATO
00:10:09.940 military spending U.S. pays versus all the NATO countries we've talked about this do you know
00:10:15.760 the number that we pay for for the military for nato u.s pays two-thirds of all of nato crazy
00:10:20.880 so you have all these 900 billion dollars the next up is germany with 90 billion then you have
00:10:28.220 uk 80 something billion france 60 billion italy 35 billion poland 34 billion canada turkey and
00:10:34.900 then you have countries that you basically never even heard of latvia slovenia all these us they're
00:10:42.380 basically the stands of the Europe that pay nothing.
00:10:45.320 Borat.
00:10:45.680 And these are the former USSR templates.
00:10:48.860 I don't think that's the right number.
00:10:50.080 That is the right number.
00:10:50.940 Which is what?
00:10:52.980 United States pays two-thirds of military spending of NATO.
00:10:57.480 Basically, we're funding the bill.
00:10:59.300 You said $900 billion?
00:11:01.120 Yes.
00:11:02.320 No, I don't think so.
00:11:03.300 I don't think it's $900.
00:11:04.240 I think you're wrong.
00:11:06.000 I don't think it's $900.
00:11:06.840 I've looked into this, and I've done a clip on this.
00:11:09.200 What percentage?
00:11:10.080 No, I think it's – I just did a video on this.
00:11:13.520 I think it's like $1.1 billion or – it's somewhere between $800 million to $1.2 billion.
00:11:19.140 Humberto, can you guys fact-check this real quick?
00:11:21.620 Our military budget is $1.2, $1.3 – between $900 billion to $1.3 trillion.
00:11:28.160 I think you're off.
00:11:28.860 Do the math on this.
00:11:29.760 We pay 2% of our total GDP.
00:11:32.860 What's our GDP?
00:11:33.560 $27 trillion?
00:11:35.540 Do the number on that.
00:11:36.520 I understand.
00:11:37.760 I thought it was 2% of our GDP.
00:11:39.780 Okay, so let's do the math for you right there.
00:11:42.060 How much was the trillion?
00:11:43.260 What did you say?
00:11:43.940 Isn't it $20 trillion?
00:11:47.500 It's a big number.
00:11:48.640 I'm not telling you it's not a big number, but I can't say $900 billion.
00:11:52.080 That's our military budget, Rob, Adam.
00:11:54.580 No, I know that.
00:11:55.500 That's separate from this.
00:11:56.340 Okay, I'm just trying to make sure the audience sees the difference.
00:11:59.240 There's a massive difference between them.
00:12:01.020 Okay, even if it's less than that.
00:12:02.520 I just asked Chad GBT, how much does the U.S. give NATO each year?
00:12:06.680 The direct U.S. payment into NATO common budget is roughly $750 million to $800 million.
00:12:11.700 Yeah, $750 million to a billion.
00:12:15.440 You were not given $900 billion.
00:12:17.020 You probably missed it.
00:12:17.620 No, I don't know about that.
00:12:18.780 Okay, but by the way.
00:12:19.840 That is 2% of our GDP, is it not?
00:12:21.300 Humberto, can you in the back just send a story and Rob pull it up to look at?
00:12:25.000 I don't think that's the number, Adam.
00:12:26.660 It's a big number.
00:12:27.580 And I actually think we are only now 3.5% to 5% of the entire budget.
00:12:32.860 to be sure
00:12:34.720 it's all U.S. defense spending
00:12:36.640 equals $900 plus billion per year
00:12:38.540 U.S. complete defense
00:12:40.540 annual budget is $900 billion
00:12:42.340 to ensure, to be sure, the membership
00:12:44.660 in NATO does not impose
00:12:45.580 $900 billion is $100 billion
00:12:49.460 less than a trillion
00:12:50.100 but to say $900 billion to NATO 0.93
00:12:52.780 is ridiculous. Can we just pull up a chart of what
00:12:54.720 people are spending on NATO? Can you fact check
00:12:56.900 this? Are we not funding two-thirds
00:12:58.780 of all of NATO? I think we are
00:13:00.940 Yes, we are. We're paying 70% of NATO. The argument people make is that U.S.'s overall military defense budget is in many ways taking care of NATO because if anything happens.
00:13:10.640 I don't even think we're paying 70%. I'm telling you, because I just looked at this.
00:13:16.020 Of NATO military power. We make up 70% of NATO military power.
00:13:19.740 Of the military power, not the whole budget you're talking about.
00:13:22.720 Yes.
00:13:23.560 The point is this. We are paying for NATO, are we not? Are we not the biggest spender of NATO?
00:13:28.760 Yeah, and what do we get from NATO?
00:13:30.520 That's my point.
00:13:31.860 $900 billion is a big number, buddy.
00:13:33.360 I'm just correcting that number.
00:13:34.900 Okay.
00:13:36.020 Keep going.
00:13:38.780 You raised the question of whether Trump should leave NATO.
00:13:41.060 My point was a year ago, two years ago, I would have been like, that's crazy talk.
00:13:44.360 Now we see that they didn't have our back in Iran. 0.80
00:13:46.360 Yeah, and I'm right.
00:13:47.680 The U.S. share, NATO budget annually is $4 billion.
00:13:53.040 We are roughly 15% of that.
00:13:55.200 You're saying that NATO's budget is only $4 billion?
00:13:57.500 Yes, yes, bro, yes.
00:14:00.320 But U.S. counts for 65% to 70% of NATO's defense spending,
00:14:04.500 which is not that – defense spending is like –
00:14:08.560 if you put all the militaries together and they spend $1.3 to $1.5 trillion,
00:14:14.440 this is like a different way of explaining it.
00:14:16.800 So you're Germany.
00:14:18.140 I don't know how much – I've done these numbers with everybody.
00:14:20.180 This is why I kind of question this.
00:14:22.100 You spend $80 billion on your military.
00:14:23.780 You're France, you do $100 billion.
00:14:24.780 You're UK, you do $120 billion, whatever.
00:14:27.500 You take all those guys combined, I'm U.S., I do $900 billion.
00:14:31.200 We are all NATO.
00:14:33.040 I'm 65% of the $1.5 trillion that we all spend in the military.
00:14:37.940 But the NATO budget itself, we're 15% to 16%.
00:14:42.060 By the way, 13% too much, 12% too much.
00:14:46.440 But these are two different numbers that we're talking about here.
00:14:49.780 So there's the military spending, but then there's also the bureaucracy spending?
00:14:53.800 The $900 billion that you're pulling up is how much we spend on our military.
00:14:57.180 I don't want to spend too much time on this.
00:14:59.240 Adam, we can sum it up really fast.
00:15:00.620 Go based on the 15% to 16%. 0.93
00:15:02.080 That's a lot.
00:15:03.060 Correct.
00:15:03.460 The point is, we're funding NATO.
00:15:05.500 We're funding NATO.
00:15:06.760 What is the famous quote that Mark Root said, the Secretary of Defense of NATO? 0.90
00:15:10.660 Then he said, listen, guys, you guys are talking trash about the United States, 0.95
00:15:13.180 talking about Trump. 0.98
00:15:14.600 We need them.
00:15:15.980 Without them, we're cooked.
00:15:17.700 And the whole point that I'm making is this.
00:15:19.060 Very true.
00:15:19.480 When we needed them most with Iran, which Trump basically said,
00:15:22.560 we didn't even need you.
00:15:23.440 Yeah.
00:15:24.020 We need you with Hormuz.
00:15:25.000 What are you doing?
00:15:26.460 So it's just further proof that whatever is going on in Europe,
00:15:29.220 the strange death of Europe, is a real thing.
00:15:31.560 The great irony here is that the intermediate-range ballistic missiles can reach Europe.
00:15:35.780 They're a bigger threat to Europe.
00:15:36.680 From Iran, you mean?
00:15:37.060 From Iran than to the United States, and yet Europe is just closing their eyes
00:15:40.820 and covering their ears and saying, no, no, no, we'll be fine.
00:15:43.740 So the fact that they don't let us use their military.
00:15:46.140 So let's go on. We're all on the same page here.
00:15:48.260 The only thing is numbers are very different.
00:15:50.240 So it's a different number that we have.
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