Valuetainment - “Nick Fuentes Is The Tupac Of MAGA“ - Nick Fuentes Interview IGNITES Tucker vs. Ben Shapiro Feud

00:00:00.000 Now, while all of this stuff is going on, you know, you have Ben Shapiro blast dishonest,

00:00:06.500 Tucker Carlson for normalizing Nazism by hosting white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

00:00:12.960 Why would he ever have Nick Fuentes on his podcast?

00:00:17.280 I mean, I can imagine anybody ever doing such a thing.

00:00:19.940 But is this what is this right here, Rob?

00:00:22.180 This is Ben Shapiro.

00:00:23.320 OK, go for it.

00:00:24.940 Hey, folks, I want to do something different on today's show.

00:00:27.360 We're going to cover one topic in depth.

00:00:30.160 That topic is, I think, the most important thing happening in the country.

00:00:33.860 It was a hot topic last week, but I wanted to take some time to really gather my thoughts

00:00:37.900 and speak on it in coherent fashion, holistic fashion.

00:00:41.740 That topic is the fragmentation of the political right.

00:00:45.480 That fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of people led by a young

00:00:50.400 man named Nick Fuentes.

00:00:51.620 They call themselves the Groypers. 0.96

00:00:53.000 They are white supremacists. 0.99

00:00:54.580 They hate women, Jews, Hindus, many types of Christians, brown people of a wide variety 1.00

00:00:58.940 of backgrounds, blacks, America's foreign policy and America's constitution. 0.99

00:01:03.100 They admire Hitler and Stalin. 0.89

00:01:05.380 And that splinter faction is now being facilitated and normalized within the mainstream Republican

00:01:10.020 party. 0.99

00:01:11.340 The main agent in that normalization is Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a 0.99

00:01:16.160 dishonest interlocutor and a terrible friend. 0.96

00:01:18.600 And Tucker Carlson last week was aided, abetted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism within the 0.83

00:01:24.600 Republican party by the mainstay organization of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation.

00:01:29.640 Now, before we explain what's been happening, let's make one thing clear.

00:01:32.780 This is not about free speech or cancellation.

00:01:34.840 It was never about free speech or cancellation.

00:01:37.420 Free speech has a definition, the right to speak free of governmental coercion.

00:01:41.220 I believe in it, of course.

00:01:42.160 I've always defended it.

00:01:43.300 Criticism of bad speech is, in fact, just a form of free speech.

00:01:47.100 Cancellation also has a definition, the banning of particular people, including people like

00:01:51.640 Nick Fuentes, from platforms like X or Facebook.

00:01:54.620 I believe that Nick Fuentes is odious and despicable, but I've never called for his cancellation.

00:01:59.620 And in fact, I've called for his restoration to those services, despite the fact that I think 0.81

00:02:03.580 he's odious and despicable.

00:02:05.480 It is not cancellation to draw moral lines between viewpoints.

00:02:09.500 In fact, we used to call that one of the key aspects of conservatism.

00:02:12.980 It is not cancellation to refuse to signal boost Hitler supporters like Nick Fuentes.

00:02:18.040 It is not cancellation to criticize Tucker Carlson.

00:02:20.620 You can pause the right there.

00:02:21.320 Okay, Adam, go ahead.

00:02:22.620 No, I'm pulling something up.

00:02:23.940 Go ahead.

00:02:24.340 No, no, it's your story.

00:02:25.520 It's your name.

00:02:25.860 Okay, gotcha.

00:02:26.080 Just grab us on one thing.

00:02:27.040 So, when Ben called...

00:02:30.760 By the way, Rob, I sent you a clip.

00:02:32.100 That's what I was waiting on.

00:02:33.020 And I'll get back to that in a second. 0.96

00:02:34.400 When Ben called Tucker Carlson a intellectual coward, dishonest interlocutor, and terrible

00:02:41.220 friend, you know what stuck out to me? 0.97

00:02:42.880 The terrible friend part.

00:02:45.200 Because I'm totally an advocate of free speech.

00:02:48.460 We've had Nick Fuentes here.

00:02:49.660 I mean, I've received so much criticism for shaking Nick's hand, playing basketball with

00:02:53.500 Nick.

00:02:54.520 What's weird is I get along with Nick.

00:02:56.380 You've seen this.

00:02:57.800 Do I disagree on his judgment of Jews and Israel and blacks and immigrants?

00:03:01.840 Of course.

00:03:02.380 Of course, any reasonable person would draw those conclusions.

00:03:06.720 But is there a sliver of truth in what he's saying?

00:03:10.880 Of course.

00:03:11.860 Because otherwise, why would people resonate with this?

00:03:14.240 The terrible friend to me thing is what pains me.

00:03:17.760 You mean to tell me you're going to have Tucker Carlson, you're going to have Nick Fuentes

00:03:22.680 on, who in many ways made his name shitting on Charlie Kirk.

00:03:29.180 And not even a little bit. 0.92

00:03:31.500 Who are you talking about?

00:03:32.100 The entire thing.

00:03:33.160 Nick Fuentes.

00:03:34.020 Oh, okay.

00:03:34.420 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:03:35.240 Made a living on shitting on Charlie. 0.99

00:03:39.120 And for Tucker to not even mention it once. 0.98

00:03:43.480 Not even like, hey, listen, as you know, Charlie was a friend.

00:03:46.720 Tucker spoke at Charlie's funeral.

00:03:48.060 How many people spoke at Charlie's funeral?

00:03:50.020 20, maybe, in the world?

00:03:51.280 To not even mention, hey, I really don't like that.

00:03:54.980 I really don't.

00:03:55.500 I don't like what you did there.

00:03:56.860 I hear you.

00:03:58.820 But to not even mention it. 0.85

00:04:00.600 It's so weak and cowardly to me. 0.69

00:04:02.580 Okay. 0.98

00:04:03.040 Moving on.

00:04:03.640 If someone tells me, hey, I'm a huge fan of Hitler, I'll be like, okay, cool. 0.99

00:04:09.520 No follow-up questions, but not one.

00:04:11.920 Oh, by the way, I remember December 19th.

00:04:13.900 It's a great day for me.

00:04:15.000 What's December 19th?

00:04:16.680 Stalin's birthday.

00:04:17.740 December 18th.

00:04:18.600 Oh, my bad.

00:04:20.200 Okay, we'll circle back to that.

00:04:21.800 Hey, Tucker, you never circled back, buddy.

00:04:23.820 And you were never planning on circling back.

00:04:25.900 So to me, I said this three months ago.

00:04:29.260 Yeah.

00:04:29.520 If I had to pick who actually I trust more to believe in what they believe in,

00:04:34.000 Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson, give me Nick Fuentes all day.

00:04:37.400 I think Tucker's an actor.

00:04:38.860 I think he's a faker. 0.95

00:04:39.760 I think he's a gaslighter. 0.52

00:04:41.080 That's my opinion.

00:04:42.260 Come at me. 0.99

00:04:43.160 What's this clip?

00:04:43.740 All good.

00:04:44.180 This clip is from Dinesh D'Souza.

00:04:45.740 He's been on the show.

00:04:47.100 This is his opinion on Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.

00:04:50.520 Go ahead.

00:04:51.200 Tucker doesn't even purport to be knowledgeable about anything.

00:04:55.240 So as a result, what Tucker says is I will develop a ventriloquist style.

00:05:00.520 I have strong opinions, but I don't want to defend any of them.

00:05:04.220 So I will set up a structure in which I bring in sources, often rather dubious sources,

00:05:10.480 people you've never heard of, you know, the nun with the mustache, some disgraced academic. 0.61

00:05:14.980 And what I'll do is I will ask sort of leading questions that in which is embedded an answer,

00:05:23.000 my answer, but framed as a question.

00:05:26.080 You then will blurt out the obvious implications of the question, giving me the answer I expected,

00:05:33.440 but I will pretend to be thunderstruck by it.

00:05:36.120 It's an epiphany.

00:05:37.260 It's a new revelation.

00:05:38.660 People have been suppressing this kind of thinking for decades.

00:05:41.540 So this is a shtick.

00:05:43.740 It's a different shtick than Candace. 0.99

00:05:45.760 Candace's shtick is the Candace Intelligence Agency.

00:05:48.580 I'm like the world's greatest detective.

00:05:51.240 You know, I'm the Pink Panther of my time.

00:05:53.340 I'm deputizing all my viewers also to be detectives.

00:05:56.740 Feed me information.

00:05:57.940 We're going to crack the case.

00:05:59.180 So to me, this is like an intellectual embarrassment because all my life I've been an iconoclast.

00:06:06.180 You can pause that.

00:06:07.080 I actually think he's absolutely right.

00:06:08.520 That's my opinion.

00:06:09.300 Yeah.

00:06:09.420 But Dinesh Jesus is a credible guy in the conservative movement.

00:06:12.560 Why is Ben, what do you think Ben's so upset about the fact that he's just speaking with him?

00:06:18.400 Because you made the point, a bad friend to who?

00:06:20.720 Is he talking about Charlie?

00:06:21.860 That's exactly who he's talking about.

00:06:22.640 That's who he's talking about.

00:06:23.560 And here's my question.

00:06:24.380 I think so.

00:06:25.100 Well, yeah, we're assuming.

00:06:26.260 I don't know because he's not, say what you want to say.

00:06:28.740 Because here's my thing, Pat.

00:06:29.940 The beauty about conversations that you've had.

00:06:31.720 You've talked to Mimi.

00:06:32.400 You've talked to him.

00:06:33.120 The spectrum of people from Nick Puentes to everybody.

00:06:35.720 Why doesn't Ben, because Ben's turned down other times where we wanted to have debates with, meaning with Candace or him.

00:06:42.180 He refuses to sit down.

00:06:43.520 Sit down with this person.

00:06:45.200 Have a conversation.

00:06:46.160 And guess what?

00:06:46.660 If your argument is better and it's going to win.

00:06:49.540 Hold on.

00:06:49.960 Let me ask you a question.

00:06:50.580 Do you think Ben Shapiro would sit down one-on-one against Tucker Carlson?

00:06:56.040 Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson.

00:06:57.760 And like Sid, just talk it out.

00:06:58.620 I want to say that they've tried to arrange something and one of them.

00:07:01.980 Because my thing is this, Pat.

00:07:03.180 Who do you think won't?

00:07:04.320 Can you run a poll?

00:07:06.440 I mean, if the audience watches it, who do you think won't agree to a two-hour debate?

00:07:12.980 Tucker Carlson.

00:07:13.480 Don't say any opinion so we get them to think.

00:07:16.340 Who do you think won't do it?

00:07:17.880 Yeah.

00:07:18.940 Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson?

00:07:21.080 Put that poll.

00:07:22.060 You guys vote for it.

00:07:23.180 I'm curious to know what you guys would think about this.

00:07:24.600 Who would not show up to the debate?

00:07:26.260 Who would not agree to it?

00:07:27.280 Let's just say Megan Kelly says, I want to host a debate with Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.

00:07:33.040 Right?

00:07:34.240 And who would say no to that debate?

00:07:36.920 I'm curious to know how people are going to vote.

00:07:40.740 So continue.

00:07:41.800 What you're saying here with Ben.

00:07:42.620 It's conversation because he's going to sit there and we heard that two-minute rant of his.

00:07:48.320 He's pro-spreach, pro-this, pro-that.

00:07:50.140 Then what are you worried about?

00:07:52.400 That he's giving him a platform?

00:07:53.780 That he's asking him questions?

00:07:55.020 Because I think the best thing is to do like what you did.

00:07:57.680 Sit there.

00:07:58.180 Find out who this person is.

00:07:59.600 How do they get to where they're saying?

00:08:01.080 Why are they saying the stuff that they're doing?

00:08:02.580 Is it for the clicks?

00:08:03.740 And then you let it go.

00:08:04.320 But to say that Tucker is intellectually weak and all that stuff, it's like, come on.

00:08:09.460 I have some opinions on this.

00:08:10.440 But Tom, go ahead.

00:08:11.380 So, Pat, I've been with you a long time and looking at the things.

00:08:17.980 There's only so many hours in the day.

00:08:19.880 And the things we decided to talk about, one of the things that Pat pushed this year, correctly so, was the difference of signal versus noise.

00:08:26.480 Let's get the signal of the things that are going to move forward, the company, the lives of the people that are giving this chapter of their career to the company, and all the things we do.

00:08:36.680 All the stuff you could talk about.

00:08:37.980 I'm trying to figure out why does Ben wake up one morning and just decide that he's going to put a well-constructed show together on Tucker Carlson for putting Nick Fuentes on the show.

00:08:50.040 Of all the things that can be talked about.

00:08:51.680 I know why.

00:08:52.180 Of the plight of the – I'm going to name two – the plight of the Jews and what's about to happen in New York under Mondami, the peace that's coming together, hostages and bodies that are coming home, and the future.

00:09:04.800 Where do we go from here in the Middle East?

00:09:06.540 How do we get a sustaining peace?

00:09:08.000 He's well-versed on so many of these things.

00:09:10.080 Why does he wake up and take one day and more to go after this rather than all the stuff he could be talking about?

00:09:18.240 And Ben is an incredibly smart intellect that can put together amazingly crafted arguments.

00:09:24.860 I'm just as upset as he might be with it.

00:09:27.260 It kind of confused me as why – why waste your airtime on this, Ben?

00:09:30.320 Do you know why?

00:09:32.240 Did you actually watch the – I think it was 40 minutes.

00:09:36.680 Did you watch the whole thing?

00:09:38.840 No.

00:09:39.460 Okay.

00:09:40.060 I've read several summaries, but I have not put it on 2X and gone through the whole thing.

00:09:44.060 No, I watched it.

00:09:45.900 I think if – by the way, if there were a debate – if there's one thing I will give Ben Shapiro credit for is that guy debates.

00:09:54.080 I'm not saying –

00:09:55.060 I agree, but look at all the topics.

00:09:56.580 Tucker interviewed Ben.

00:09:57.080 Are you going to answer the point?

00:09:58.980 Here's the point.

00:10:00.220 He gave the whole – he outlined the whole thing.

00:10:02.060 Actually, in my opinion, it has nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity or this.

00:10:07.240 Ben Shapiro at the very end – I don't know if we can play it – gives this sort of like impassioned speech. 0.94

00:10:12.060 He said, damn it, I've worked my whole life for this, the conservative movement, and I'm not going to sit here while these people try to ruin it. 0.93

00:10:20.780 And that, to me, is what he's talking about. 0.98

00:10:22.400 He's basically saying our enemy should be the far left and the woke left and what's going on there.

00:10:28.020 And you're going to try to fracture the Republican Party and the conservative movement over this nonsense, over this Nazism, this racism, this chauvinism, whatever he kind of outlines.

00:10:38.940 If you go to the last two minutes, you'll hear it.

00:10:40.620 We're not going to do that, Rob.

00:10:42.000 I'm saying that, to me, is what he stands for.

00:10:44.200 He's basically saying the midterms are coming up in one year exactly.

00:10:48.880 The left is salivating at this internal civil war because don't forget, they call it the woke right for a reason because it's a mirror image of what's going on in the far woke left.

00:10:59.780 You know, whatever's going on the far left, the mirror image to the right is what's going on there.

00:11:03.780 Do you think Ben is a unifier?

00:11:07.200 That's not the word I would use to describe Ben Shapiro.

00:11:10.380 You think Tucker's a unifier?

00:11:11.960 No.

00:11:12.860 Okay.

00:11:13.600 You think Charlie was a unifier?

00:11:15.340 One million percent.

00:11:16.120 One million percent as well.

00:11:17.200 Well, if you were a reasonable person, you would come to that conclusion.

00:11:20.740 No, no.

00:11:20.760 I think Charlie was a unifier.

00:11:21.740 I agree.

00:11:22.220 I think a lot of people on the left think he was a divider.

00:11:24.100 Here's my opinion on this, on a couple different things that I go through.

00:11:27.600 Number one.

00:11:28.060 So, Ben Shapiro, the more they talk about Nick Fuentes, the more they raise his profile.

00:11:37.100 Nick Fuentes, if I'm his agent, I would say, Nick, phenomenal.

00:11:42.620 Your number one PR rep this week was Ben Shapiro.

00:11:46.400 Send him a $10 GoFundMe and congratulate him and say thank you for supporting the cause and raising awareness to who I am.

00:11:53.440 Okay?

00:11:53.760 That's what that is.

00:11:54.620 Number two, you know, I would go and sit down like those trigonometry guys, you know, who their trigonometry guys would sit down with me.

00:12:03.240 And we did an interview one time and he came very strong at me.

00:12:06.000 I'm like, that's right after I called it the daily, you know, yeah.

00:12:11.220 And I'm like, oh.

00:12:11.720 Constantine did?

00:12:12.240 Yeah.

00:12:12.520 And I'm like, oh, I got you.

00:12:14.580 And I corrected him.

00:12:15.280 I said, no, no, no, no.

00:12:16.260 Qualified awards.

00:12:16.960 He said, I'm sorry.

00:12:17.480 I did.

00:12:17.820 Yeah.

00:12:17.920 I said, so I don't like, so then I'm like, okay, I got what's going on.

00:12:21.340 Because again, I'm not in this community.

00:12:23.420 I'm like, there is a Tucker camp.

00:12:26.460 There is a Shapiro camp.

00:12:29.980 And both sides bowed down to both.

00:12:33.360 Okay?

00:12:33.900 Fair.

00:12:34.400 No problem.

00:12:35.440 Then there is the younger Nick camp.

00:12:39.180 And then Charlie is trying to get everybody under the camp to be working together.

00:12:43.600 Okay?

00:12:43.860 I don't know if, you know, when you hear the market talking and there's interest in somebody

00:12:50.840 giving a message, the more you dismiss them, the bigger that person is going to get.

00:12:54.840 And that's what you've done.

00:12:56.040 Number two.

00:12:57.260 You know, when we were having Benjamin Netanyahu on the podcast, I knew what was going to happen.

00:13:05.760 I knew what was going to happen.

00:13:07.560 I'm not even going to say what some of the stuff happened to us the last six weeks.

00:13:10.320 Because I don't even want to advertise what happened the last six weeks.

00:13:12.840 I don't want anybody to talk about what happened the last six weeks.

00:13:15.660 It's no one's business.

00:13:16.600 We're going through it.

00:13:17.620 Okay?

00:13:17.840 So, when we had B.B., I would say death threats at an all-time high, no question, when B.B. came up.

00:13:28.220 Then they agreed, all right, Ben wants to come on the podcast.

00:13:33.000 Then when I said, you know, I want to have Nick on, I looked at the booking team.

00:13:39.120 After Ben was confirmed, I said, if they cancel, it's because of me agreeing to have Nick on.

00:13:48.700 Great.

00:13:50.280 We have Nick on.

00:13:52.380 I show the clips.

00:13:53.940 We have the conversations.

00:13:55.500 Everything takes place.

00:13:57.120 Fair interview.

00:13:58.620 You sound like a racist here. 0.95

00:14:00.440 You sound like this here.

00:14:01.540 Why are you dropping this word?

00:14:02.660 So, he's kind of like, you know, even manning up.

00:14:05.100 Two weeks later, Ben Shapiro cancels.

00:14:07.240 Why?

00:14:07.600 Why do you cancel?

00:14:09.860 So, what is the brand?

00:14:12.620 Why not have conversations?

00:14:14.480 We're not a fire brand.

00:14:16.000 We're not.

00:14:18.560 Well, let's see maybe next year.

00:14:20.620 No, I'm not interested.

00:14:22.420 Don't big shot yourself.

00:14:24.720 It's unattractive.

00:14:26.500 And by the way, here's what's crazy.

00:14:28.400 I've invited Tucker 50 times.

00:14:30.280 Never has he agreed to come on.

00:14:31.960 And I flew to Maine.

00:14:32.760 So, it's not like I'm sitting here and, what's the word?

00:14:39.440 Trying to see that, you know, both of these camps have some similarities.

00:14:45.180 Both of them.

00:14:46.180 I think Ben is a very good communicator and debater.

00:14:49.560 Are you kidding me?

00:14:50.680 When the time when that man put his hands on his shoulders.

00:14:54.160 The trans guy.

00:14:54.860 You don't think that's a little bit inappropriate?

00:14:57.140 Ben has got some brass.

00:14:58.480 And he's had some of the best fiery moments ever.

00:15:01.820 Ben, when he was young, he was on Pierce Morgan.

00:15:03.860 Pierce was about to be here.

00:15:05.300 We're doing a show with him today.

00:15:07.060 I don't know when we're doing it, but we're doing a show with him today.

00:15:09.760 And remember the first time when he was on there?

00:15:11.360 And I don't know if it was.

00:15:12.220 He got the Constitution.

00:15:13.700 Years ago.

00:15:14.200 Years ago, Constitution, right when Pierce went over there.

00:15:16.760 So, and Tucker, Tucker Carlson.

00:15:20.700 Tucker had his moment with Jon Stewart many years ago when Jon Stewart tried to make fun

00:15:24.040 of him.

00:15:24.480 That one right there.

00:15:25.300 Look how young he looks.

00:15:26.120 Not that one, Rob.

00:15:26.640 All the way at the top.

00:15:27.740 All the way at the top.

00:15:28.500 Yeah.

00:15:28.760 Yeah.

00:15:29.100 Look at Ben.

00:15:30.060 When he brought him a Constitution.

00:15:31.020 When he brought him a Constitution.

00:15:31.700 Yeah.

00:15:32.300 Ben has had some incredible moments, right, with what he's done.

00:15:35.600 Both of them.

00:15:36.640 So, to me, here's a very interesting thing that's going on.

00:15:41.980 Nick Fuentes.

00:15:43.420 FYI, whether you like him or not, he ain't going away.

00:15:46.800 Nope.

00:15:47.320 Okay?

00:15:47.860 He ain't going away, and he's going to have a voice.

00:15:50.280 Here's the other part.

00:15:51.320 Ben Shapiro.

00:15:52.480 Whether you like him or not, he ain't going away.

00:15:55.160 Mm-mm.

00:15:55.760 Whether you like Tucker or not, he ain't going away.

00:16:00.320 So, now what?

00:16:01.520 By the way, Republicans, you got destroyed last week.

00:16:05.600 Yep.

00:16:06.220 Ready?

00:16:06.920 You got manhandled.

00:16:09.060 Not last week.

00:16:09.920 This week.

00:16:10.260 A couple days ago.

00:16:10.840 Two days ago.

00:16:11.320 Three days ago.

00:16:11.760 Destroyed last week.

00:16:13.900 Okay?

00:16:14.900 Marjorie Tatel Green goes out there, and she's talking about how she wants to run in 2028

00:16:18.900 on a firebrand, and, you know, Tom's talking about it could be a Ross Perot type of a moment.

00:16:23.920 You know what all this leads to?

00:16:25.540 Unless if you guys find a way to get it together, President Trump is not going to go out there

00:16:30.060 campaigning for everybody in 2028.

00:16:31.840 If you can't go win your small little mayoral races and contests that you got, and you're

00:16:38.040 just waiting for, you know, President Trump to come and retweet and endorse you every single

00:16:42.880 time, and you can't come and take on the mantle and go fight, there is some stuff going on

00:16:48.300 in the Republican Party.

00:16:49.540 So what's the plan?

00:16:50.880 Is it going to be Tucker's camp?

00:16:53.420 Nick's camp?

00:16:54.820 Candace's camp?

00:16:56.180 Ben's camp?

00:16:57.340 All these other camps that are all over the place.

00:17:00.000 MTG's camp?

00:17:01.100 Thomas Massey's camp?

00:17:02.500 And yeah, some of these overlap.

00:17:03.940 Probably Thomas Massey and Candace and Tucker and some of those guys will probably...

00:17:09.800 MTG is probably going to be together.

00:17:11.240 I think maybe an MTG is going to be a little bit of a challenging moment there.

00:17:15.100 Ben's camp is going to be one, and quite frankly, when it comes down to Ben.

00:17:17.620 Ben was wrong with Trump in 2016.

00:17:20.040 Ben was wrong with DeSantis in 2020.

00:17:23.140 I would sit down and tell him, like, what are you talking about DeSantis in 2024?

00:17:27.080 So they've been, you know, it's not like they've been also right on a lot of these things.

00:17:31.560 Guys, none of us have been.

00:17:35.260 Everybody's walking around like, you know...

00:17:38.280 Anyways, I just think, you know, right now, if you guys don't buckle down and get locked

00:17:43.300 in, 2025 ain't going to be a red wave.

00:17:46.360 2025 is going to be a blue wave that comes through.

00:17:50.700 Because they're watching all these, let me tell you, Nick Fuentes is right.

00:17:54.280 Let me tell you, Ben Shapiro is right.

00:17:55.580 Let me tell you, Tucker Carlson is right.

00:17:57.000 Let me tell you.

00:17:57.680 Oh, let me tell you, Democrats won.

00:17:59.560 Yep.

00:18:00.720 How did this happen?

00:18:01.920 Yep.

00:18:02.280 You did it.

00:18:02.800 So, Mr. Ben Shapiro, respectfully.

00:18:07.980 Mr. Tucker Carlson, respectfully.

00:18:11.140 You know what would be a great panel on stage?

00:18:14.040 Is Ben, Tucker, Megan, Nick, Candice.

00:18:21.100 I think Megan can pull this off. 0.99

00:18:23.260 I think Megan could pull this off to bring this together. 0.99

00:18:26.800 I think Megan's a boss. 1.00

00:18:28.140 She's tough.

00:18:28.640 She's strong.

00:18:30.020 And she's been around.

00:18:32.460 The reason why I think she's the one that could pull it off is because she was the face.

00:18:36.220 She was like, she killed it on Fox, crushed, and she's doing great with her podcast.

00:18:41.160 So, she has the mainstream and the podcast victory.

00:18:44.240 I think Megan could pull off something like this to bring everyone together. 0.99

00:18:49.620 Because at this point of the game, you know, Ben's loyalty.

00:18:53.120 Ben's, you know, of course he's going to be loyal to Israel.

00:18:56.460 That's what he is.

00:18:57.040 He's very proud of his heritage.

00:18:59.520 FYI, you ought to be proud of your heritage.

00:19:02.780 I don't sit there.

00:19:03.660 I'm like, well, he's, yeah.

00:19:05.140 When I say daily Jewish wire or daily whatever I call the Israeli wire, I do think that's his priority. 0.98

00:19:12.420 I don't say that as in a...

00:19:14.520 Like an insult.

00:19:15.240 No, I say, listen, I'm a Syrian-Armenian.

00:19:18.800 Okay?

00:19:19.820 I'm a Syrian and Armenian.

00:19:22.040 I'm a proud Assyrian.

00:19:23.040 I'm a proud Armenian.

00:19:25.620 But, you know, born in Iran, made in America, without America, I'm not, I don't have the life that I have today. 0.99

00:19:31.220 Are you kidding me?

00:19:32.700 But I understand some of the affinity.

00:19:34.140 I understand if Nick goes after, you know, Tucker's dad, you know, Tucker's going to invite him to say, hey, man, listen, this is one thing I don't like when you go after my dad.

00:19:43.820 His dad's his hero.

00:19:45.100 I understand Tucker.

00:19:47.000 But I also understand Nick, who's on the outside, is like, you guys not going to give me attention? 0.98

00:19:51.600 I'm going to effing come after you guys like a freaking gangster, and I'm going to pull up a Tupac, hit him up. 0.99

00:19:56.120 I'm going to destroy all of you guys. 1.00

00:19:57.680 That's Nick. 1.00

00:19:58.280 Nick is Tupac.

00:20:00.140 So what do you want to do?

00:20:02.360 What do you want to do?

00:20:03.120 You want to do East Coast, West Coast type of situation?

00:20:06.280 Is that what you want?

00:20:07.840 Really?

00:20:08.660 Is that what you want?

00:20:09.900 Because I think right now what Ben talked about is he's spending millions of dollars a year on security.

00:20:15.480 Why?

00:20:16.480 Who's creating it?

00:20:17.460 Who's causing it?

00:20:18.780 This isn't healthy.

00:20:19.820 I don't, I don't, I don't, you know, this isn't healthy.

00:20:21.820 So for me, I love the debate.

00:20:24.180 Keep the debate.

00:20:25.060 I love all of that stuff.

00:20:26.180 But, uh...

00:20:28.720 Did you see what Megan said about this?

00:20:31.020 No.

00:20:31.400 What did she say?

00:20:31.940 She addressed this.

00:20:32.360 She actually had Matt Walsh on her podcast.

00:20:35.300 They spoke for a full-on hour.

00:20:37.000 And what was, what was the consensus?

00:20:38.920 What did they say?

00:20:39.480 So it was very interesting, because she says, I'm friends with Ben Shapiro.

00:20:43.160 I'm friends with Tucker Carlson.

00:20:45.140 She's the right person.

00:20:46.280 And then she's speaking with Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire.

00:20:49.060 It was very interesting, his perspective.

00:20:50.480 You know what he said?

00:20:51.560 Yeah.

00:20:52.140 About Ben, Israel, whatever.

00:20:54.060 He goes, yeah, I don't care.

00:20:55.700 I care about America.

00:20:57.120 That's my opinion.

00:20:58.300 That's been my position for 10 years.

00:20:59.980 He goes, I don't care.

00:21:00.740 So then for me...

00:21:01.580 But Megan is, I think, someone that can pull this off.

00:21:03.320 I think Megan is somebody that can pull this off, because Megan has Tucker's respect.

00:21:10.500 That's why.

00:21:11.100 Because Tucker respects the fact that Megan made it on cable, TV, and made it at podcasting. 0.99

00:21:20.060 And she's a formidable face.

00:21:22.280 She was a moderator. 0.78

00:21:23.540 Trump, hey, you've said a lot of different things about women.

00:21:25.940 No, only Rosie O'Donnell.

00:21:27.240 That's not true.

00:21:28.160 That's not true.

00:21:29.080 So, yeah, I don't know.

00:21:30.700 I just think, you know, if you go like this, and the infighting continues, congratulations,

00:21:36.620 you handed them 2026.

00:21:37.840 And if it continues, and you think, oh, you know, a person, you know how mentally, emotionally

00:21:45.760 tough, and a gangster you have to be to come back and win 2024 election?

00:21:51.480 There's only one guy that could have pulled that off, and it's the guy that won, and he's

00:21:54.360 the president today.

00:21:55.260 You think that guarantees 2028?

00:21:57.900 No.

00:21:58.360 Hell no.

00:22:00.380 No.

00:22:00.820 So, welcome.

00:22:03.860 Yep.

00:22:04.120 And by the way, to Ben Shapiro's camp that this is probably going to be sent to, 8,000

00:22:11.200 people voted.

00:22:12.260 68% said he's the one that doesn't want to sit down with Tucker.

00:22:15.780 And our audience is fairly fair, is what they are.

00:22:19.380 So, there you go.

00:22:20.160 I don't know.

00:22:20.660 Maybe.

00:22:21.020 Fairly fair.

00:22:22.160 No.

00:22:22.540 I just said fairly fair.

00:22:23.800 They're fairly fair.

00:22:24.400 But, and Pat, great, great points, and you just, like, it just hit me that what you're

00:22:30.120 talking about, about this, the Mamdani effect and all that stuff, Republicans are all over

00:22:34.800 the freaking map, and there's, like, the way that you just said it, if they don't come 0.85

00:22:39.840 to, in any situation, their midterms are not, blue, it's going to go to freaking Democrats, 0.76

00:22:47.540 and then how fast is 2028 going to come, and Gavin Newsom just sitting at the top, waiting 1.00

00:22:52.840 for this shit. 1.00

00:22:53.760 Welcome to the White House. 1.00

00:22:54.880 He's waiting.

00:22:56.100 Gavin Newsom.

00:22:56.420 He is doing it intentionally.

00:22:58.520 I'm not saying that you scared me, but you just made me go, oh, my God.

00:23:01.080 They're all fighting because who are all those people going to tell you to vote for?

00:23:04.700 Let's say the presidency comes up.

00:23:06.180 One's going to tell you to go this way.

00:23:07.900 Somebody's going to tell you to go this way.

00:23:09.420 The one guy that's pro-Israeli, they're going to say, go this way.

00:23:11.820 It's going to be so splintered, and sitting and waiting in the wings is Gavin Newsom going, 0.87

00:23:16.440 hey, I love, this is, they're all Hitler, they're all Nazis, open the border. 0.84

00:23:20.980 Come on, guys. 0.84

00:23:21.580 Let's go back.

00:23:22.260 I agree with the point that the Republican Party and the conservative movement, I mean,

00:23:27.340 never mind Republican Party, conservatism in America and the conservative movement does

00:23:31.960 need unity.

00:23:33.080 A week and a half ago before the election, who did we see doing photo ops together?

00:23:36.760 AOC, Bernie, and Chuck, right?

00:23:38.200 Yep.

00:23:38.560 Walking down the street.

00:23:39.380 Wasn't there three of them walking down the street in Chuck's shirt sleeves?

00:23:42.980 Cool.

00:23:43.360 People, you know, like this.

00:23:45.280 Why?

00:23:45.540 Do you think Chuck agrees with Bernie?

00:23:47.780 No.

00:23:48.140 No, absolutely not.

00:23:49.000 They're mortal enemies.

00:23:49.880 Chuck undermined Bernie so much in 16 and 20.

00:23:54.100 Yep.

00:23:54.500 Absolutely did.

00:23:56.060 And so do you think AOC and Chuck are friends?

00:23:58.840 No.

00:23:59.460 No.

00:23:59.900 There's been people saying that she's going to primary him and she's going after the next

00:24:04.120 level seat if she doesn't run.

00:24:06.400 And didn't you say that AOC and Bernie are perfectly aligned?

00:24:10.580 No.

00:24:11.060 No.

00:24:11.160 She's too much of a lightning rod on the outside. 1.00

00:24:13.640 He's actually stayed where he is.

00:24:16.520 But why are they all walking together, talking nice together?

00:24:19.480 Because they know what unity was needed and their enemy was the loss they took last November.

00:24:25.000 And so the conservatives need unity.

00:24:28.100 We don't need MTG running for president over here like Ross Perot.

00:24:32.060 We don't need this divisiveness that's here.

00:24:34.200 I agree with that point that we need unity and someone needs to do it.

00:24:39.200 And Pat talking about that maybe Megan could step it up.

00:24:42.340 I think there's other people that could do it too.

00:24:44.580 But we got to get people together on the core things.

00:24:48.520 Yeah, we're outsiders.

00:24:49.220 Let me tell you what I've learned.

00:24:50.580 Let me tell you what I've learned at this point.

00:24:53.140 We're outsiders and I love it.

00:24:56.440 You have no idea how much I love it.

00:24:57.800 That none of them are like, who are these guys?

00:25:00.820 The same way Ben feels about us is the same way Tucker feels about us.

00:25:05.000 But the difference is, by the way, both of them have had me on.

00:25:08.280 I've had Ben on the show 11 years ago.

00:25:10.720 Never had Tucker on.

00:25:12.120 But both sides are like, who are these guys?

00:25:14.480 And I love it.

00:25:15.480 I'm comfortable doing this role.

00:25:16.880 We're not trying to sit here and, you know, when I was coming up in insurance,

00:25:21.620 it's the same exact story every single time.

00:25:23.820 Who the F is this Middle Eastern guy with no college degree coming up, 1.00

00:25:27.560 taking market share away from us? 0.90

00:25:29.360 Who are you?

00:25:29.880 Every year we'd go to the insurance conference.

00:25:32.300 It was like this.

00:25:33.760 Who are you?

00:25:34.520 Oh, my God.

00:25:35.520 You know, get out of here. 0.53

00:25:36.860 Get out of here.

00:25:37.300 And then all of a sudden, boom.

00:25:38.340 Oh, shoot.

00:25:39.280 Now, we actually love the industry and we actually respect you guys.

00:25:42.700 We respect the hell out of you guys that you guys built a business.

00:25:44.960 We admire what you've done.

00:25:46.360 We admire a lot of these guys, what they've done over the years,

00:25:48.460 but we have our own set of opinions.

00:25:50.400 And we're fair, we're respectful, but at the same time, to me, it's very simple.

00:25:54.820 If I don't have a relationship with them ever for the rest of my life,

00:25:58.320 I'm okay as long as America is winning.

00:26:00.140 Yep.

00:26:00.500 If that's the role we're going to play, we're going to continue playing that role.

00:26:03.540 We're not somebody that's going to sit there and be like, come on, we're going to do this.

00:26:06.500 Nope.

00:26:07.200 We've had plenty of great experiences and we have very good relationship with a lot of people.

00:26:10.640 I also understand the fact that for some people, they're more uncomfortable.

00:26:14.920 Why?

00:26:15.080 One minute they're here, one minute they're there, they'll call this person up, but they'll call that person up.

00:26:19.240 They'll have Netanyahu, but they'll have Nick Fuentes.

00:26:21.140 Yeah, we will talk to everybody, period.

00:26:24.560 And I know you're not going to like it.

00:26:26.400 And I'm okay with it.

00:26:27.720 I made a video the other day with the idea that I'm talking about.

00:26:30.000 I think they need to do X, Y, Z with, you know, I think Israel has a bad brand right now 1.00

00:26:35.640 because of how horrible of a job they're doing marketing as the only child.

00:26:39.040 And I said, trust me, no one's going to like my idea on both sides.

00:26:41.900 And guess who hated the idea?

00:26:43.160 Both sides hated the idea, right?

00:26:45.300 And guess what?

00:26:46.100 I like that, that both of you don't like the idea.

00:26:49.100 We will gladly play in this role of just going up here, gladly, and continue to do our part.

00:26:55.460 But God willing, Megyn Kelly is going to make that phone call and host the event and have everybody there. 1.00

00:27:00.120 I think she can play the role of a glue. 1.00

00:27:02.340 And there's a handful of other guys I would nominate that can pull that off.

00:27:05.460 But I think she's the head that can pull that off.

00:27:09.020 I really think she's the head that can pull that off and get everybody in the room. 1.00

00:27:12.880 And by the way, bring Steven Crowder.

00:27:14.980 He's coming back.

00:27:16.260 And I like the new Crowder.

00:27:17.780 Bring him back.

00:27:19.180 He's back to realizing who he is and what he was doing.

00:27:22.640 Let's not forget, at one point, Crowder was the guy.

00:27:25.100 And a lot of people remember when he was the guy.

00:27:27.020 And he went through a bad season.

00:27:28.680 But I'm kind of glad that he's got his mojo back.

00:27:31.520 And he's playing ball.

00:27:32.900 He's a very, very formidable voice. 0.95

00:27:35.020 He's a beast.

00:27:35.800 I would include him in that as well. 0.97

00:27:37.420 For sure.

00:27:37.820 But anyways.

00:27:39.020 He's criticized all those guys, too, by the way.

00:27:41.280 Listen.

00:27:41.800 Just think about us as a consultant.

00:27:43.760 That's who we are.

00:27:44.380 We're here for you, guys.

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00:27:46.940 You can go to beddavid.com, literally, to learn more about what we do for clients from

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00:28:46.240 But we're looking forward to 2026.

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Valuetainment - November 07, 2025

“Nick Fuentes Is The Tupac Of MAGA“ - Nick Fuentes Interview IGNITES Tucker vs. Ben Shapiro Feud

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