Valuetainment - July 15, 2026


＂No Right to Privacy＂ - Ex-CIA Officer BACKS America's Surveillance State


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On this episode of the podcast, we discuss the growing number of public surveillance cameras across the U.S. and whether or not they are a good thing or a bad thing. We also talk about the dangers of betting on the World Cup.

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00:00:30.000 Are you following these flock security cameras?
00:00:32.220 Yeah.
00:00:32.600 I've heard about it, yeah.
00:00:33.200 Okay, I want to know what you think about this.
00:00:35.060 So these flock security cameras are all over the place.
00:00:37.100 That's kind of like the ring doorbell.
00:00:38.780 But 100,000 plus cameras all over the country, 6,000 communities, 3,000 law enforcement offices are using it.
00:00:47.200 They read 20 billion license plates per month.
00:00:51.500 There's a guy in Sioux Falls, man, charged with destroying more than a dozen flock cameras because he's sick of it.
00:00:57.500 People are getting arrested.
00:00:58.940 There's a lot of stuff that's happening with it, right?
00:01:00.980 So it helps solve crimes and kidnapping, so there's some positive to it.
00:01:06.060 Can you go to the website that shows exactly where they're at?
00:01:08.900 And if you go to the website, zoom out to show all around the country first
00:01:12.920 so everybody can see it.
00:01:14.180 Keep zooming out.
00:01:14.800 Show this, Jake, if you guys can.
00:01:15.940 So these are all the cameras around the country in America, all over the place,
00:01:23.300 targeting mainly Florida for whatever reason.
00:01:25.600 So I also want to add, that's only what has been publicly sourced.
00:01:30.280 Because this is all volunteers who contribute to the D-FLOC website.
00:01:33.600 I like the cutter money.
00:01:35.000 This isn't FLOC telling you where they're putting them.
00:01:36.900 This is civilians reporting where they see them.
00:01:40.280 So there's more than what you see on the map.
00:01:41.740 Ah, that's a good point.
00:01:42.300 And by the way, if you zoom in and go all the way in, literally down the street, there's one.
00:01:46.320 Down the street right here, 200 yards away from here, there's one.
00:01:49.480 Keep going, keep going, keep going.
00:01:51.320 So we are right now at the Boardroom Cigar Lounge, okay?
00:01:54.320 But we got to go do something weird outside of that camera.
00:01:56.260 We got to go take it down and get arrested is what we got to do.
00:01:59.340 Bring it back.
00:02:00.620 Is that the one down the street?
00:02:02.600 By the way, how far is that from here?
00:02:05.060 A hundred yards?
00:02:05.640 Less than a hundred yards.
00:02:06.460 Is it fair to say it's less than a hundred yards?
00:02:08.260 There's one literally down the street from us.
00:02:10.700 Can you show the audience what it is?
00:02:12.240 And I'm going to go to Andy to see what he thinks about this.
00:02:14.220 This is what it looks like, just so you know.
00:02:17.020 So this is the angle of the camera you're looking at,
00:02:20.200 but I want him to see what physically they look like.
00:02:23.360 so if you can go and pull up exactly what they look like these flock cameras go to images they
00:02:30.960 look like that they look just like that so is this a good thing is this a bad thing are we here
00:02:35.180 there's no control we have over this how do you feel about this i i understand why people don't
00:02:40.180 like flock cameras but i am a fan of this type of sir of public surveillance why is that because
00:02:47.300 we don't have a right to privacy we think we do but it's not actually listed out anywhere we don't
00:02:53.340 the term right to privacy doesn't exist. But we do have the public expectation of security from
00:02:59.500 our police and from our law enforcement agencies. So this creates a deterrent to keep right people
00:03:06.480 doing the right thing and wrong people getting caught. But it also creates a trail of evidence
00:03:10.560 that makes sure that within our justice system, there is evidence that can be brought to the
00:03:17.000 table to prosecute people who are charged with breaking the law. If you are a law-abiding citizen,
00:03:22.240 you have nothing to fear from these things it's only if you are speeding crossing a red light
00:03:27.880 robbing somebody if you're doing something that you don't want to get caught that's when you don't
00:03:31.680 like it well listen just like lying there's nothing wrong with crossing red lights every
00:03:35.740 once in a while like don't judge the people who do it every once in a while how do you feel about
00:03:39.200 this do you like these would you support it right across the street from your house so yeah please
00:03:44.520 put as many cameras as you want in my neighborhood because al-qaeda is targeting me and everything
00:03:48.060 ill i can get is better i like them from a collection standpoint because a lot of people
00:03:53.620 think when there's something like this someone's sitting and watching it all day and you really
00:03:56.940 only go into this data when you're looking for a piece of info now if people misuse it this is
00:04:01.960 where it's always a concern right like these law enforcement officers using it to like look up hot 0.99
00:04:06.840 girls license plates to like reach out to them yeah then fire their asses right we can have a 0.98
00:04:12.700 society where we collect information and keep people just so you know that's happening i know 1.00
00:04:17.000 Cops are using it to track their exes and their girlfriends. 0.99
00:04:19.920 That's why I said fire them. 0.76
00:04:20.560 Yes. 0.60
00:04:21.000 Period.
00:04:21.600 Yes.
00:04:22.140 So I like it because the more data you have to solve a crime, better.
00:04:28.160 Now, do they need to be everywhere?
00:04:30.060 If there's a sensitive spot, I don't want one over like the local pool or something.
00:04:34.340 I do think we have to be smart about where we put them for people's some privacy.
00:04:39.380 But I do agree.
00:04:40.400 I think having the data when you need it when something bad happens can save a lot more lives.
00:04:47.000 yeah i mean some would say you know i asked connor i'm like so did we have to approve this
00:04:51.860 is this something no they can do it so so you don't need the permission to be able to no it's
00:04:57.380 already there we're already being watched anyways no matter where you're driving this is the
00:05:01.080 direction kind of we're going did you see the recent movie that came up with chris pratt that's
00:05:05.620 in it where he gets a a charge with a crime of killing his own wife and the judge is an ai judge
00:05:13.220 did you see this one or no if you got you guys who's seen this movie what's the name of the movie
00:05:17.640 by the way it was mercy that's it's mercy if you i keep recommending people to go watch this because
00:05:24.560 it's so real where mercy is the judge but she's the ai you have 90 minutes to prove to her that
00:05:33.160 you didn't commit the crime and she has access to every camera so whatever you say she goes straight
00:05:38.640 to it and you're like boom nope boom oh my god oh you didn't do it so it's a very interesting
00:05:45.760 thing do you think we're going in that direction i i think there's a lot of value in us going in
00:05:51.280 that direction i think there's a lot of value there's value i think there's value in us going
00:05:54.860 in the direction of a surveillance state and i think that's the the uncomfortable truth we don't
00:05:59.820 like to admit value and going into surveillance state so you're here just to control all of us
00:06:04.280 not just me i knew it i'm just here to say why do you think it's good why do you think it's good
00:06:09.260 why why do you think it benefits us because it keeps us safer without us needing to put our
00:06:13.280 resources into being safer just imagine how much of your effort goes i said secrecy is something
00:06:17.400 we need to have don't i need a little privacy you don't have a right to privacy you may want
00:06:21.640 privacy but you don't have a right to it my my point is if you're imagine how much of our brain
00:06:27.420 and effort right now goes into locking our door locking our car keeping us safe you know whatever
00:06:33.860 else i was in a car i was in an uber recently the driver was from hong kong chinese chinese guy who
00:06:40.140 comes to the united states for three months at a time to work uber to go back to china i'm assuming
00:06:43.500 you gave him a one star not a good driver was it a decent fine dude fine dude five star drive just
00:06:48.180 making sure but he was amazing because he sat in front talking to my mother-in-law and he was
00:06:52.760 saying how amazing china is and i was like i'm just gonna keep my mouth shut he's like no it's
00:06:58.180 it's all safe. You can put your wallet on the corner of a sidewalk, leave, come back the next
00:07:04.520 day and your wallet will still be there because there's cameras everywhere. No one's going to
00:07:09.000 break the law. And there was a part of me that was like, yeah, that's, that is the benefit of
00:07:13.540 a surveillance state. Keeps people safe, keeps law and order in place, especially really strict
00:07:19.380 law and order. And to your point about AI, part of the reason I think AI is going to continue to
00:07:24.180 be successful is because wealthy people can leverage ai to replace unreliable people and
00:07:30.980 imagine how far that could reach into justice law enforcement security etc do you please tell me you
00:07:39.860 disagree with them i like surveillance where it matters most like i would love to have the whole
00:07:46.820 like border surveil like key infrastructure i think there's still time and costs when you
00:07:57.280 collect information so i agree on places where i would want to solve crimes around i don't care
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00:08:41.500 I wonder, it's kind of like there's the debate of Second Amendment, like Idaho, right?
00:08:46.520 Everybody there carries a gun.
00:08:47.840 So because they carry the gun, crime is one of the lowest that they have.
00:08:50.300 And then you go to Chicago, you don't have Second Amendment.
00:08:52.940 So because you don't have Second Amendment carrying a gun, crime is super high because the other guys, you know, the bad guys are able to get the good guns, but good guys don't have it.
00:09:02.380 So is it kind of like surveillance lowers crime because if you get caught, which you
00:09:08.500 easily will, you're going to go to jail, so you commit fewer crimes?
00:09:11.460 It's a huge deterrent.
00:09:12.020 Is that kind of how you process it?
00:09:13.040 Yeah, that's exactly right.
00:09:14.220 And that's, I mean, that's not only how I process it.
00:09:16.920 That is something that we actively exercise.
00:09:19.180 What do you think is more important?
00:09:20.660 The privacy of cameras watching everything you're doing or secrecy?
00:09:25.880 You can keep one of them and not the other one.
00:09:28.080 Which one would you keep?
00:09:28.860 Keep secrecy.
00:09:30.360 You'd give up your privacy.
00:09:31.340 you've already you've got no privacy man this is what i'm trying to get you and the whole world
00:09:35.760 to understand right now we have no privacy you actually have no right to privacy none none but
00:09:42.860 you that's why your secrets are so important to you you don't have a right to privacy so in the
00:09:47.120 house when i'm speaking to my wife should i go like this you can because to be like i'm gonna
00:09:51.520 get a red card and suspended we can't do that because that's like if you go that guy man you're
00:09:57.060 at the house you got to start talking in a complete different way if you've got alexa if
00:10:00.760 you got a smart tv if you got a smart refrigerator a hundred percent so maybe picking up sign language
00:10:06.580 and speaking sign as long as you don't have exactly right as long as you don't have any
00:10:11.160 text they'll see it so maybe you write notes you know in the cigar lounge we don't allow cell phones
00:10:15.040 so here when you come in i don't know we it's the same way when you walk into a cia skiff who
00:10:22.020 agrees who agrees with them that would more you know giving up the privacy surveillance state
00:10:28.020 makes the world a safer place?
00:10:29.500 Who agrees with them?
00:10:32.900 Two of you do.
00:10:34.220 Who disagrees?
00:10:35.440 Raise your hand if you disagree.
00:10:37.300 Taylor disagrees.
00:10:38.200 Roberto disagrees.
00:10:39.100 So Humberto disagrees.
00:10:40.600 Why do you disagree?
00:10:42.500 Think about how many hands didn't go up.
00:10:43.740 Why do you disagree?
00:10:44.540 Just say it.
00:10:45.120 Can you say why you disagree?
00:10:48.900 Because you can't give the government
00:10:50.300 that much control, in my opinion.
00:10:52.260 Roberto, are you in the same place
00:10:53.320 of what he's saying?
00:10:55.180 Do you know who violates your privacy
00:10:57.440 the most right now who's that corporations yeah corporations google in what way your cell phone
00:11:03.780 every app you have you have to give permission to a number of things you give permission for
00:11:07.940 it to know your location you give permission for it to know your contact list you give permission
00:11:10.760 for it to know your app use exactly but my point is you're worried about giving the government
00:11:16.420 privacy information the government can simply buy it from the commercial company you're
00:11:21.320 volunteering it to agree to that then you're agreeing to the government i don't agree with
00:11:25.980 a camera down the street well we're talking about two different things then but that's fair
00:11:29.620 did you have a follow-up did you have a follow-up on it or no you you had your hand up no no i'm
00:11:36.340 just saying i just the government having all this privacy i just don't trust it i i don't trust the
00:11:41.660 government for not one second global fine but the government had just don't trust you do know that
00:11:46.820 google sells your information to the government okay but you're agreeing to that contract then
00:11:52.080 you're agreeing to the government having access to your information that's all i'm trying to
00:11:55.400 connect the dots here you can't say i don't trust the government i trust google i volunteer to
00:11:59.200 google google is selling it to the government you can't say i trust apple apple is giving it to the
00:12:03.200 government you can't say i trust yahoo yahoo is selling it to the government that's part of
00:12:07.160 the the contract that they have to maintain for national security okay so let me ask you this do
00:12:11.700 you think there will come a time where there will be remember the whole atlas shrug concept you know
00:12:16.760 who is john gall do you think there will be countries or or cities that will say here we
00:12:23.000 don't do that and some people that want the privacy you know the freedom to go to that'll
00:12:27.060 be a way of attracting those people i think their country's already doing that switzerland i want
00:12:30.440 to say does that and i think germany does that where they actually put privacy laws that are
00:12:35.100 hard-coded in place that's why you can't you can't have cookies in parts of europe they are actually
00:12:39.520 protecting your private browser data how do you feel about that that's what they want to do that's
00:12:44.980 if that's how they're trying to track that's right if that's how they're trying to attract
00:12:48.320 they're also attracting dangerous people to go there but yeah if i'm gonna commit a crime i'm
00:12:53.420 going to go live in germany if you're gonna commit 100 i wonder i wonder what is you know
00:12:59.300 what is going to happen with that side as you as we're
00:13:01.780 i don't know i i i wonder i wonder if it's going to be something that the more and more we have
00:13:09.500 everybody watching us in the next you know five ten years there's going to be more people that
00:13:14.880 are going to want the privacy and some communities are going to be like come here because over here
00:13:19.200 you're not going to be we're not going to have this we're not going to have that we're not going
00:13:21.740 to have this okay great i'll go live in a community like that of people like-minded
00:13:24.780 i think you should watch it i think people are being desensitized to this i mean look at
00:13:29.120 yeah everybody is online even now x is like we want you to film videos of yourself and put it
00:13:34.240 on here so we're getting a whole generation that's perfectly fine having their face all
00:13:37.920 over the place and don't forget what happened immediately following 9-11 yeah everybody was
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