Valuetainment - May 09, 2026


＂Not A Choice I'd Make＂ - Gov. Wes Moore's HONEST Answer On Transgender Kids


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00:00:30.000 Walk me through one of the issues that was just an absolute, it caused so many people to become 0.99
00:00:35.600 independents, and that is men competing in women's sports, okay, transgenders. Where are you at there?
00:00:41.140 I understand at the beginning, everybody's like, well, you know, what is this? Some people that
00:00:44.960 are maybe Democrats or maybe even independents saying, what's the argument? We should let them
00:00:49.560 be able to transition. And now we're having men compete against women. That's the part where it 0.98
00:00:53.440 completely stops. Where are you at with that? So I can tell you, I think about this as a parent,
00:00:57.640 Right. And I think about this as as someone with a, you know, a 12 year old son, 14 year old daughter.
00:01:08.100 I want them to get from sports the same thing that I got from sports, where it gave me a chance to be a part of a team.
00:01:16.280 It gave me a chance to learn great life lessons like from sports.
00:01:19.280 I learned how to win and how to lose. And it gave me a chance to compete fairly.
00:01:23.880 and I think we have to always show a sense of humanity in where we are we want to make sure
00:01:29.640 that we're protecting all of our kids we want to make sure we're doing that but if the competition
00:01:34.040 becomes unfair I think that's where you have to be able to draw a line and I think there's ways
00:01:40.840 you can do it I think there's you know you know one thing I know is that our local jurisdictions
00:01:44.840 are actually the ones who are responsible for this and actually I think that's a good thing
00:01:48.360 like I don't think that the president or a governor should be getting involved in something
00:01:52.500 that is actually a decision of a local jurisdiction.
00:01:54.740 And I trust local jurisdictions to be able to figure this out.
00:01:58.620 However, I also know when I think about it from the perspective of my daughter,
00:02:03.540 I want her to be safe and I want her to be able to compete fairly.
00:02:07.260 And I think that both of those two things can live simultaneously
00:02:10.440 where you can provide measurements for people and all young people
00:02:13.840 to get the same benefits in sports that we all got.
00:02:15.640 But also know, I do not want my child to have it be either unfair or unsafe.
00:02:22.060 You haven't answered it yet. 1.00
00:02:23.500 No men competing in women's. 0.99
00:02:26.440 Yeah, no, I don't think that that's something that we should allow. 1.00
00:02:29.580 Okay.
00:02:29.840 Now, again, it's local jurisdictions, and I think it should be up to local jurisdictions.
00:02:34.460 Leave it to them, not a federal.
00:02:35.040 So you don't want it to be a federal thing deciding whether –
00:02:38.140 so do you think puberty blockers given to kids under the age of 18 should be a federal decision?
00:02:43.860 It should be a state or a local decision?
00:02:45.640 Well, all of them right now are local decisions.
00:02:47.640 Okay.
00:02:47.980 All of them right now are local decisions.
00:02:49.600 But I think that just like many things when it comes to our kids,
00:02:52.940 parental involvement does matter.
00:02:55.280 Like I want, for my 14-year-old and my 12-year-old,
00:02:59.000 I want to be involved in a decision-making process,
00:03:03.000 especially for something that has lasting implications on their life.
00:03:07.200 Okay, question.
00:03:07.840 We're both parents.
00:03:08.440 I've got four kids, 14, 12, 9, and 4.
00:03:10.660 Yeah.
00:03:11.400 Your son comes in saying he wants to transition.
00:03:15.100 What do you do?
00:03:15.500 um well first i mean if if it's if you know it's my son so i love him regardless right um
00:03:26.120 and he's always going to have my undying love that's that's me right um i want to make sure
00:03:35.020 that i'm involved in understanding uh where he is how he's feeling the way he's feeling
00:03:42.120 why he thinks it's important.
00:03:44.660 If this is a journey that he wants to go down,
00:03:48.260 I want him to always be comfortable in his own skin,
00:03:52.100 and I want him to always know that he has a partner in me
00:03:56.760 to help him along that journey.
00:03:59.200 Would you advise him to wait until he's 18?
00:04:02.280 If this is how he is feeling and I feel like I'm closely tied to him,
00:04:07.880 I'm not going to advise him on something that he feels is right.
00:04:13.480 At 14 years old, Wes?
00:04:14.480 No, I understand it.
00:04:15.620 But what I'm saying is the most important thing for me is I want him to feel safe in his own skin,
00:04:24.780 safe in his own decision-making, but also know that at 14 years old,
00:04:28.640 I want to be involved inside of that process as well.
00:04:32.560 I'm not going to condemn him nor castigate him.
00:04:37.040 I'm not going to kick him out of the house.
00:04:39.480 I'm not going to do anything that's going to hurt him.
00:04:42.020 But I just want to make sure that I'm involved.
00:04:43.860 I fully believe.
00:04:44.580 By the way, just my crew came in here, okay,
00:04:48.340 and I was coming from the other building.
00:04:51.420 I came on this side.
00:04:52.680 They said, Pat, I got to tell you something.
00:04:54.620 What's that?
00:04:55.620 I like him a lot.
00:04:57.180 That's all they're telling me.
00:04:58.440 I freaking like this guy a lot right there.
00:05:00.680 He's looking, waving, going like this.
00:05:02.040 Look at these guys.
00:05:03.220 I like him a lot.
00:05:04.380 I don't know.
00:05:04.800 I like him a lot.
00:05:05.380 So something tells me, and, you know, correct me if I'm wrong,
00:05:11.400 I don't think it would happen to your son because of the way you've raised him.
00:05:15.540 So I don't even think that's a thought that you have.
00:05:17.720 But maybe let me rephrase the question on what some people have a hard time with.
00:05:22.980 So I still live in Glendale, California.
00:05:25.700 I went to Glendale High School.
00:05:27.340 So I lived in California most of my life.
00:05:29.420 If you ask me what freeways I know on the back of my hand,
00:05:32.040 it's anything in L.A. I know, all of them.
00:05:34.460 405, 2170, 134, 145, you name them, I know.
00:05:39.060 Okay.
00:05:41.680 If all of a sudden you've raised your kids in a certain way,
00:05:45.840 and say you put them in a Christian private school until fifth grade,
00:05:49.180 your son has never brought anything up.
00:05:51.700 In fifth grade, your wife gets fired,
00:05:54.400 and you were relying on that $72,000-year income that she had. 0.98
00:05:58.440 She hasn't found a job to replace that income.
00:06:01.500 You guys talk and you say, babe, I think we've got to do public school.
00:06:05.700 You put your kids in public school, and all of a sudden you notice six months,
00:06:10.840 12 months, your son is behaving in a weird way.
00:06:14.020 And then he has support with a teacher.
00:06:16.080 They build a relationship.
00:06:17.480 And then you find out that the teacher, maybe as part of the LGBTQ community,
00:06:23.540 is encouraging your son who's never, since he was in fifth grade,
00:06:28.120 ever brought this up now because of a couple friends and a teacher he is thinking about taking
00:06:34.520 puberty blockers to go through the transition as a parent how informed would you like to be when
00:06:41.460 that teacher is talking to your kid and is persuading them and what position would you have
00:06:47.060 to say wait a minute I've never seen any signs like this why are you going through it right now
00:06:50.340 would you then say son if you do want to get on puberty blockers and transition under the age of
00:06:55.180 18 i'll support you would you say no we got to kind of get to the bottom of this well first um
00:06:59.700 i don't care where we're talking about pewter blockers or whether we're talking about what
00:07:03.040 type of math you're learning i want to be involved you know i mean like i i'm an involved parent uh
00:07:08.460 my wife is an involved parent and i just think it's very important for parents to be involved
00:07:13.800 in everything that happens with their with their child and that's why i think that anything that
00:07:19.100 happens in a school should be a you know a joint process between the teachers and the parents
00:07:25.280 always and no and no matter what so parents should know what's happening teachers can keep a secret
00:07:30.680 away from parents and not informing them informing them what conversations they're having i think
00:07:34.940 parents have to be involved i know but i'm saying there's a lot of parents that maybe don't have the
00:07:40.080 luxuries that you and i have who don't make the money that maybe we make and you know you've done
00:07:45.540 well for yourself you're taking care of your finances over the years you were in the military
00:07:48.780 you give me the vibe of somebody that's done made good decisions you were an investment banker you've
00:07:53.080 done well for yourself yeah but some of the people that don't have that luxury you know it's it's
00:07:59.560 here's what i think is going to happen the reason why i'm asking this question when i talk to steven
00:08:02.920 a steven is like nope full stop i got a daughter men no not going to happen i think 2028 election
00:08:11.240 is going to be the most free agency election.
00:08:16.720 And I actually think whatever Calci's got you right now
00:08:19.540 is not the right number.
00:08:21.160 I think if anybody's a betting man right now
00:08:23.020 and is willing to put a little bit on Calci to say,
00:08:26.620 hey, who I think has the potential of doing something
00:08:29.900 that could have a plus minus, I would support.
00:08:33.940 If you go to Kentucky Derby, I like to go to Kentucky Derby a lot,
00:08:37.400 and you'll have three horses on the final race.
00:08:39.320 if you want to vote and, you know, support somebody on the Democratic ticket,
00:08:44.620 I think I would put you as a long shot because I don't think it's a long shot.
00:08:48.280 I really don't.
00:08:48.900 I really believe in your abilities to go through this next phase.
00:08:52.300 Charming, likable, military background.
00:08:55.180 You flirted with being a Republican back in the days.
00:08:57.520 Condoleezza Rice, maybe you were a Republican back in the days.
00:09:00.700 And, you know, whether you want to talk about that or not,
00:09:03.200 the market kind of sees that you were, so it's out there,
00:09:05.400 so it's good for that district you were talking about, 77%.
00:09:08.440 But I do believe if you want the independent votes and that position is a little bit vanilla, I think it will backfire versus it being black and white.
00:09:18.400 Because I do think independents are willing to support a guy like you, but that's an area that just loses husband and wife.
00:09:24.780 Mom and dads are like, dude, come on, guys.
00:09:26.280 Just give me a real answer.
00:09:27.660 No, but honestly, it is my real answer to say that I think we always have to make sure that parents have involvement in this, that parents have a say in this.
00:09:36.960 These things cannot be decided without any form of, you know, adult, you know, with any form of adult.
00:09:44.020 But if a parent wants to go through it, you know, and puberty blockers are available,
00:09:51.200 you're saying it's okay for parents to try to give the kids puberty blockers as long as parents approve it.
00:09:56.360 That decision becomes on the parents.
00:09:58.120 Listen, I think that it's not a choice that I would make.
00:10:01.680 It's not a choice that you would make.
00:10:02.760 It's not a choice that I would make.
00:10:04.260 um you know i i think that it is a very personal decision between these families and um and honestly
00:10:14.820 my uh for the kids that are going through this i mean honestly my heart breaks for them because
00:10:20.340 that is that is a weight um and something that's become so politicized that i just think it's so
00:10:27.080 deeply unfair to that child i agree you know um i agree but um but i think this is something that
00:10:33.780 they uh this is a decision that the child cannot make on their own when you were in high when you
00:10:38.980 were in high school um do you remember how many gay friends you had in high school do you remember
00:10:44.560 how many gay guys were in high school that we knew about publicly openly because i remember myself
00:10:48.820 i was in a school with 4 000 kids that's a good question you know you know it's interesting um
00:10:53.460 i don't say their names i don't want you to know mary jackson was a you know no but you know but
00:10:58.180 you know it's interesting yeah when i went to military school because i got sent to military
00:11:01.840 school when i was young that was a uh that was an offense that could get you kicked out of school
00:11:07.520 i remember that though so because remember don't ask that was that was that was pre when i first
00:11:12.680 went i think don't ask don't tell was passed um a few years after after i started military after i
00:11:20.440 started military school um no in fact yes don't ask don't tell was i think year two of my military
00:11:26.500 school so actually that was a dismissible offense before so you know i actually didn't really get to
00:11:33.040 know other people who are like openly other teenagers who are openly gay until probably
00:11:38.560 when i was like 15 16 years old and now wasn't people i went to school with that wasn't even
00:11:43.100 the people you went to school with no was it a smaller school i think there were about 900 cadets
00:11:48.600 okay in my school got it so i actually remember a couple guys in the military that were gay
00:11:53.160 one of the guys was and ended up marrying a girl and had two kids but i'm like hey i remember you
00:11:59.500 know he dm me on facebook 15 years ago hey you won't believe it i'm married with two kids i'm 0.76
00:12:03.920 like no shit all right great good for you but we we laughed about it because uh it was good 0.51
00:12:08.480 conversation he was actually a good soldier yeah but in high school was if i say three that's a 0.99
00:12:14.880 big number yeah and it was like nobody cared but one of the concerns and i'll move on i don't want
00:12:20.540 to stay on this story for too long one of the concerns is that the percentage Bill Maher talked
00:12:25.800 about this we have you do you have the chart Rob where it shows uh you know all of a sudden
00:12:30.420 generations you and I are from a different generation so for me I sympathize with this
00:12:35.520 generation because I wonder how much more exposure they're getting that some of the kids that maybe
00:12:40.760 are having a hard time getting a boyfriend or a girlfriend they're like maybe I'm not maybe I'm
00:12:45.840 this maybe I'm that and they're kind of going through a direction and then that kind of leads
00:12:49.700 to a complete different thing.
00:12:50.740 If I was an enemy who hates America,
00:12:53.920 say there's an enemy who hates America,
00:12:56.220 and we know when we look at our current stats right now,
00:12:59.480 our birth rate in America is 1.58,
00:13:02.420 lowest we've had in God knows how many years, ever.
00:13:06.720 So we need to be at 2.1.
00:13:08.260 Now we're at 1.58. 1.00
00:13:10.840 If the LGBTQ community increases, birth rate goes down. 1.00
00:13:15.640 so now we are introducing all these birth controls in there then we have the lgbtq then we have 1.00
00:13:21.940 you know making life expensive then you have affordability then you have you know some of
00:13:26.780 the programming that's happening with the kids i mean this is generation if you think about a
00:13:29.780 silent generation only 0.8 percent is gay baby boomer 2.6 gen x 4.2 millennials 10 and a half
00:13:35.020 gen z 20.8 and then next generation 41.6 i mean so this this part becomes where parents
00:13:42.480 serious parents are saying
00:13:44.900 I feel, there's guys
00:13:46.820 people that are Democrats
00:13:48.820 who will never vote Republican but they're sitting there
00:13:50.920 saying I'm considering going to the other side
00:13:53.000 because they're pro-choice
00:13:53.920 but they're not for this
00:13:56.120 and so a part of it becomes
00:13:58.720 they're going through it because
00:14:00.680 maybe kids are being
00:14:02.760 pushed to think in a certain way and I think it's unfair
00:14:04.880 to the kids. You know, Poland 1.00
00:14:06.800 had a guy here whose name is Dominik Tarczynski
00:14:08.740 and he said
00:14:10.780 something to me in poland lowest rape in all of eu lowest unemployment okay they're doing great
00:14:17.760 with economy and out of all the stats you look at if in school if you if you do sexual education
00:14:26.140 to minors in school you go to prison poland they leave that to parents they're like hey
00:14:32.220 wes patrick it's your job to teach your kids on sexual orientation not teachers if i leave it to
00:14:38.480 teachers to teach me they're imposing maybe some of their opinions that's not factual
00:14:41.720 so i i kind of have some some thoughts there i'm like that's an interesting idea to have that
00:14:46.540 but anyways before we close i'll give you the final thoughts on this yeah no and and and and
00:14:50.600 this is why i think everything about education to include all this it cannot happen in the absence
00:14:56.720 of parents it just can't like parents have to be involved in what's happening inside of classrooms
00:15:01.920 now now especially when it comes to things like the lgbtq community um i also believe that you
00:15:07.940 that we're not talking about something that for our friends this is a choice um i'll give you a
00:15:13.780 an example um where you know i actually got involved in the in the the don't ask don't tell
00:15:20.460 lifting and it wasn't because it was like it was a personal issue for me but it was because
00:15:25.940 i found out that one of my good friends uh was exited from the military because of being
00:15:33.040 because he had the audacity of telling you know something that was his truth
00:15:38.180 And I remember him talking about kind of the impact it had on his family
00:15:41.740 and all this kind of stuff.
00:15:42.800 And he said something that was really important to me where he said,
00:15:45.160 do you think I would choose to have my family discard me?
00:15:53.140 He was one of the best leaders that I'd known in the military
00:15:57.780 and still a dear, dear friend.
00:16:00.920 He was the kind of leader that I would put my children under his command
00:16:05.240 because he's that good right and but the army was at that point telling him that but you know what 1.00
00:16:12.980 because you're gay we don't have a place for you well you're 99 98 uh no this was um 0.81
00:16:20.280 god when was this this must have been like 2000 okay 2010 or something like that i think or by 0.96
00:16:26.520 the way they got rid of uh don't ask don't tell in 2011 if i'm not mistaken 2011 right 2011 so
00:16:30.400 that's that's when it must have been because i got very i was working with a group called
00:16:33.820 Iraq, Afghanistan, Veterans of America, who are doing a lot of work on this issue.
00:16:38.120 The reason that I say that is because I don't think that this is something that people are choosing to go.
00:16:45.800 So I think that I think that if this is I think a percentage, I agree.
00:16:49.920 I think a percentage, I fully agree.
00:16:52.420 Yeah. And and, you know, but I also think a bigger percentage, I don't agree because so I grew up in a single family home.
00:17:04.660 Parents got a divorce to each other twice.
00:17:07.240 I hung out with kids from Burbank Dresde, from TVR.
00:17:10.320 I don't know if Tunerville was a gang in L.A.
00:17:12.540 And we had all these other guys.
00:17:13.780 And I got, because I had bad grades and I was a troublemaker,
00:17:16.180 they put me in this basketball league called the New Century City Basketball Association,
00:17:21.480 something like that, in Echo Park.
00:17:22.780 If you know L.A. Echo Park, in the 90s, horrible.
00:17:26.260 1994 Echo Park, horrible. 1.00
00:17:28.820 So I'm in a group with kids who are from Black Diamonds, from Blood, from Crip, 1.00
00:17:32.780 from MS-13, Mara Sabatrucha, from Toonerville, from you name it.
00:17:37.100 We're all together playing basketball.
00:17:38.680 Everybody's a – one day there's a shooting.
00:17:40.360 My dad is there.
00:17:41.320 My dad just turned 84 last two weeks ago.
00:17:43.700 He's there.
00:17:44.260 An old friend of mine, Adrian, if he sees this, he'll crack up
00:17:46.580 because we were hiding in the bathroom because they're shooting everywhere.
00:17:49.680 And the helicopter comes, a couple guys.
00:17:51.260 The guy that was the best scorer was with bloods.
00:17:53.500 He got arrested, went to prison.
00:17:56.240 So guess what?
00:17:57.000 What happened to me?
00:17:57.680 I was never a gangster.
00:17:59.560 I wasn't a kid in Iran that was going to be a gangster, a tough guy.
00:18:02.780 And then all of a sudden I start like listening to RBO Posse.
00:18:07.080 I start listening to all this gangster rap and I start hanging out with them.
00:18:10.780 And all of a sudden I'm like, you know what, maybe, maybe I am.
00:18:13.260 And that influence, if I don't join the army, my life goes a very different direction.
00:18:16.940 So to me, I do agree with you, you know, and I'm not a scientist to sit here and say what happens with the chromosomes and all this.
00:18:23.500 I'm not, I'm not playing that card because that's not my space.
00:18:25.920 but I do believe a bigger percentage of it is a pattern of kids who get confused that go through
00:18:33.960 it I don't think this will be the topic of discussion for election 2028 like meaning you
00:18:39.540 know whether you're born whether you're not I don't think that's the issue I think the issue
00:18:42.900 will be puberty blockers transgender I think men and women sports I think that's going to be there
00:18:48.120 and I think the democratic candidate you will be on the stage when you're debating if that day comes
00:18:53.140 and they're going to ask that question.
00:18:55.420 And how that's answered will be very interesting to see
00:18:57.740 whether you're going to get the independent voters
00:18:59.660 or not because I think you're going to need the independent voters.
00:19:01.660 My opinion.
00:19:02.560 Look what Trump did.
00:19:03.640 Trump knew he needed the independent voters.
00:19:05.340 When they asked him about LGBTQ, what did he say?
00:19:07.820 We've already had that discussion.
00:19:09.080 I don't even need to answer this.
00:19:10.260 Just moved on.
00:19:11.680 So a Republican took that position and he moved on and it helped him.
00:19:16.160 I think on a Democratic side,
00:19:18.140 you're going to want the reasonable parents to support you
00:19:20.540 and it's going to be, look, 1.00
00:19:21.320 I don't want any boys competing in women's sports. 1.00
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