Valuetainment - May 05, 2026


＂Not The Same Person I Knew＂ - Wes Moore's BRUTAL Take On JD Vance's Transformation


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Former Vice President Joe Biden and former Governor Rick Perry join Jemele to discuss the 2020 Democratic primary field and why they think Kamala Harris should be the next Democratic presidential candidate. They also talk about why Rob Portman should win the primary and why he should run for president in 2020.

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00:00:00.000 So, here's the numbers.
00:00:01.080 I know you can't say anything. 0.89
00:00:02.080 Kamala Harris surges a new 2028 poll.
00:00:04.960 Report came out, I think, yesterday.
00:00:06.360 I don't know if you see.
00:00:07.160 Do they show everybody else underneath the list?
00:00:09.780 Rob, do you have that or no?
00:00:10.680 I know she came up yesterday, and they had a list of them.
00:00:16.020 Here we go.
00:00:17.920 Notably, not only.
00:00:18.840 No, there was something I saw on X that actually showed percentage where it was,
00:00:23.000 and Kamala was at the top.
00:00:24.420 I'll say this.
00:00:25.640 You don't need to say this.
00:00:26.620 there is nowhere where i see her ahead of you nowhere you've ran a state you were in the
00:00:34.440 military you've been in the private sector okay family guy personal you know faith you you
00:00:43.040 understand what people in business go you're willing to talk to anybody you don't think you're
00:00:48.160 above everybody you don't so to me you know that's that part pritzker i don't think he's the guy
00:00:53.780 because he has a lot of things to explain for Illinois.
00:00:56.800 By the way, these are your friends.
00:00:57.960 So I know, you know, Josh Shapiro, I'm a fan of Josh Shapiro.
00:01:01.900 I actually like Josh Shapiro on the Democratic ticket.
00:01:04.980 I think if Biden would have chosen him as a VP,
00:01:08.080 I think it could have been a different result if they would have chosen him
00:01:10.360 because this isn't about DEI.
00:01:12.400 Like, you're not a DEI hire. 0.98
00:01:13.980 Even though you're African-American,
00:01:16.000 it's not because you're African-American you became the governor. 1.00
00:01:18.640 You're a governor because you kicked everyone's ass. 0.99
00:01:20.760 So it's not like it's a DI hire, which a lot of people would have said that Kamala Harris was a DI hire. 0.99
00:01:25.460 I'm saying it.
00:01:26.200 You're not saying it.
00:01:26.960 I'll take the heat for saying that.
00:01:28.840 And then you go to Newsom with the record.
00:01:30.520 So I don't know, man.
00:01:32.000 I really think you're the number one draft pick for me for 2028.
00:01:37.320 The right marketing, the right campaign, the right timing of the book being launched, podcast tour,
00:01:42.980 going out there, talking to a bunch of guys like this on the podcast on the other end,
00:01:46.700 people seeing how you handle yourself, doing all that other stuff.
00:01:49.060 But, you know, just the same way you went as a governor, where you were at barely one percent on the primary and then all of a sudden, boom, then you get a call saying, wait a minute, this guy's the general.
00:01:57.180 Obama's calling you. And then the rest is history.
00:02:00.580 I and I'll say this. I won. And you're right.
00:02:04.220 You know, those people who you mentioned, they're friends.
00:02:07.500 They are friends. Yeah. And like and sometimes people like, you know, oh, they're political friends.
00:02:11.180 Like some of them are like legit.
00:02:13.740 Like sometimes when you're really wrestling with something, you know, being a governor sometimes can be lonely.
00:02:19.060 and there's not many people you can call up who,
00:02:22.500 when you have a conversation with them,
00:02:24.240 you don't always have to provide context.
00:02:26.880 And some of those folks you mentioned are some of the people who I will call
00:02:29.940 up when I don't have time to provide context.
00:02:32.860 And they'll just give me their thoughts and their advice.
00:02:34.700 And so some of them are just legit friends.
00:02:37.460 The thing I will say.
00:02:38.860 You're going to compete against a lot of these guys.
00:02:40.800 Well, no.
00:02:41.560 Well, the thing I'll say is this.
00:02:42.560 If you ask people, because this is the equivalent of 2020, right?
00:02:46.900 If you ask people in 2020, if you went to a Marylander in 2020 and say, you know what, your next governor is going to be Westmore.
00:02:54.400 You know what most Marylanders would have said?
00:02:56.040 Who the hell is Westmore?
00:02:57.620 They had no idea who I was.
00:02:59.800 And so I just think the whole idea of who is the front runner, who is this, who is that, in 2026, about 2028, is, you know, I think history has shown that, you know, that that's not something that people pay much attention.
00:03:15.700 Are you friends with Rubio or DeSantis or Vance?
00:03:20.960 Is there a friendship there?
00:03:21.840 Is there a relationship there?
00:03:22.920 There's not as much with them.
00:03:26.080 I actually got to know J.D. years ago.
00:03:30.580 And actually, ironically, it was because I wrote a book called The Other Westmore.
00:03:34.940 And he wrote a book called Hillbilly Elegy.
00:03:37.960 And there were a couple times we did things, you know, because they were like,
00:03:40.900 his story is kind of the story of rural poverty.
00:03:43.700 And the other way it's more is the story about urban poverty.
00:03:46.420 And so it kind of like this.
00:03:47.380 I totally see it.
00:03:48.160 Come back.
00:03:48.660 Right.
00:03:49.180 Totally see it.
00:03:49.620 And he was a military guy.
00:03:50.940 He was all this kind of stuff.
00:03:51.800 And I was and I'm a military guy, you know, he was a Marine and I was I was an army guy.
00:03:55.360 Army is always better, by the way.
00:03:56.540 I couldn't agree with you more.
00:03:57.720 I mean, Marines, I mean, they're they're they're they're they're fine.
00:04:01.620 But we're going to get in trouble.
00:04:05.000 I know.
00:04:05.680 I know.
00:04:06.460 I know.
00:04:07.320 I know.
00:04:08.140 But but so I so I got to know got to know, you know, him him through that.
00:04:12.060 But, you know, the thing, though, that does, if I'm just being totally honest, that person who I, you know, got to know, not terribly well, but got to know them, just doesn't seem like the same person that I'm seeing right now.
00:04:29.040 J.D.?
00:04:29.560 Yeah.
00:04:29.960 Tell me why.
00:04:31.700 Because I just feel like the foundation feels different.
00:04:35.920 and that's one thing I always tell people
00:04:38.660 I remember telling my team
00:04:40.040 when I first ran for governor
00:04:42.140 I said listen y'all, most people don't know who I am
00:04:44.860 I have
00:04:46.660 no problem
00:04:47.480 introducing myself, I will spend all day long
00:04:50.420 introducing myself to people who don't know me
00:04:52.520 I won't spend a second
00:04:55.180 reintroducing
00:04:56.880 myself to people who do know me
00:04:58.380 that I take pride in
00:05:00.460 when I'm all done with this politics
00:05:02.920 thing
00:05:03.240 um do you know the comment that is going to make me the happiest if people are like he's the same
00:05:09.460 dude like I known Wes for 20 years he hasn't changed he is who he is you like him dislike him
00:05:15.980 but he is who he is and he's comfortable in his own skin like that's what I want people to always
00:05:22.420 believe in me um I don't know if I can say that about JD and that is not disappointing it's
00:05:31.720 actually kind of heartbreaking um because i think that's just tough and i think that's a really tough
00:05:37.820 existence um but um but you know but i but again you know like we talked about before some of these
00:05:43.900 other republican governors i mean stitt uh spencer cox in utah like these are these are my guys man
00:05:51.200 i mean and people who i just really lean on laugh with do you understand to speak a lot or no
00:05:58.520 not all because he doesn't do a lot with the with the national he's a low-key guy yeah yeah he
00:06:02.600 doesn't he does not do a lot with the national government association at all at all which is
00:06:05.660 which is and i'm not gonna lie um and i and i hope he hears me on this like it is a bit disappointing
00:06:11.080 because i think um it could add value to him and i think he could add value to it and so especially
00:06:18.000 as i'm taking on his chair of the national government association in in in june um i would
00:06:23.880 love to have Ron more active in the organization have you called him have you guys we reached out
00:06:29.840 to him I haven't reached out to him about this at all like reaching out and talking to him or just
00:06:34.380 about this specifically no just about this specifically so you guys have spoken oh no
00:06:38.220 we've spoken we've met each other we've spoken so yeah absolutely no it's no issues when you
00:06:42.760 guys speak no mutual respect no no absolutely but you know what though Ron you know he
00:06:49.720 He's not a, like, you know, to me, he's such an operator and a doer
00:06:57.820 that he is very much in it.
00:07:03.280 You know how you say, in the business, on the business?
00:07:05.280 He is so in it, right?
00:07:06.420 Where you, you know, you going out there shaking hands,
00:07:09.960 talking to people, doing your thing, you know, you're being seen.
00:07:12.880 I think he can probably work on doing that more, and this is my guy.
00:07:16.320 This is a guy that I support in a big way.
00:07:18.160 So especially if he wants to go on to the national scale, you know, you have to be seen with guys on the other side.
00:07:26.160 It can't just be only conservatives.
00:07:30.140 You're talking about Farron.
00:07:31.100 I'm talking about Farron.
00:07:31.920 I'm not talking to you because you're doing it with – you'll go – you know, if you come in here, you'll go anywhere.
00:07:36.780 So it's not like you'll go, you know.
00:07:38.840 But, you know, I'm sure you know behind closed doors that I like you.
00:07:42.220 And I'm sure we know, like, we've had the conversation with these different guys that we are friends with because I think you're a fair guy.
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