Valuetainment - February 06, 2026


“Patriot Act 2.0” - Palantir CEO DARES Anti-ICE Protestors To EMBRACE Government Surveillance


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13 minutes

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2,549

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230

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Palantir CEO Alex Karp says anti-ICE protesters should want more Palantir in the government. The company has been criticized for its work with ICE and role in President Trump's tracking of immigration documents. We talk about the company's relationship with the government, and whether or not it should be used.

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00:00:00.000 Palantir CEO Alex Karp says anti-ice protesters should want more Palantir in the government.
00:00:07.980 Let me read this to you, and this kind of goes to what we're talking about here with the bird tourism.
00:00:14.960 So if we go to Palantir CEO Alex Karp said,
00:00:18.440 Protesters demonstrating against the U.S. Immigration Customs enforcement should support the use of its company's tools in the government.
00:00:25.000 If you are critical of ICE, you should be out there protesting for more Palantir.
00:00:29.140 He told CNBC, our product actually in its core requires people to confirm with Fourth Amendment data protections.
00:00:36.840 Karp comments come as an anti-protest continue in Minneapolis following the fatal shooting of two demonstrators.
00:00:44.780 Documents released by the Department of Homeland Security last week also showed that the company is providing AI tools to the agency to help it sift through tips.
00:00:56.440 As Palantir previously been criticized for its work with ICE and role in President Trump's trackdown on immigration federal documents,
00:01:04.140 from April revealed that the company had a $30 million contract with the agency to provide real-time visibility on people's self-deporting.
00:01:11.960 So what do you think about the idea of Palantir being used for immigration as well as using a company like Palantir against China when they're trying to take advantage of bird tourism?
00:01:25.900 I don't think it's going to be used for those things explicitly at all because I think we have the means to track a lot of these things right now with the things that are tracked.
00:01:33.420 Like, you know, we found out the other day that Google just listens to everything that we say at any moment.
00:01:38.880 $16 million lawsuit.
00:01:39.740 Yeah.
00:01:40.240 So you're telling me you can't filter that in a way where it's tracking these type of things?
00:01:43.780 No.
00:01:44.020 I think that's a great marketing pitch and something that Alex Karp would say, of course.
00:01:48.020 You know, you could make anything about Palantir sound good.
00:01:50.680 If there's a problem, yeah, Palantir could fix it because it could do anything.
00:01:53.840 It could track any data that you have and it could be used to alleviate this.
00:01:56.980 Would there be a day where you would say, you know what, if I have to choose between Palantir, you know, getting deeper or preventing what China's doing long term with this million and a half, you know, bird tourists that they come here, they take them out to China, indoctrinate them, and then later on send them over here to go to school with the idea one day becoming a U.S. president 40, 50, 60 years from now.
00:02:19.580 And now we have somebody that likes what China does, but they're now the president of U.S.
00:02:24.200 Would that be worth the risk for you to use Palantir to filter some of these people out?
00:02:28.380 No, because I think we have the means to filter a lot of these people out right now.
00:02:31.440 I think, you know, the struggle is that half the government doesn't want to, half the government does.
00:02:36.400 You know, so I completely reject the notion that we don't have the technology to get rid of these people right now.
00:02:40.440 I think this is just a Trojan horror saying like, oh, now we finally have this technology where we could use it to get them out.
00:02:45.440 You're saying you don't trust Alex Karp.
00:02:47.220 I don't trust Alex Karp.
00:02:48.260 I don't trust half the CIA.
00:02:49.220 I don't trust half of Congress.
00:02:50.820 And I think that half of the government and half of the Congress is the problem, not the technology that we have.
00:02:55.420 I think we have more than enough technology, and we've given up more than enough rights and freedom with the NSA for them to track all of this stuff.
00:03:02.820 So, no, I don't think the Palantir is the same.
00:03:04.960 You're about to get audited by IRS.
00:03:06.660 I know.
00:03:07.520 I was going to say it's the same argument with the border, right?
00:03:09.860 For the four years of the Biden administration, it said we can't close the border.
00:03:12.800 We can't do that.
00:03:13.620 And then Trump comes in and closes.
00:03:15.500 Overnight.
00:03:15.860 It's not, as you're saying, they're not lacking the way.
00:03:20.020 They have the ways to do things.
00:03:21.180 They're lacking the will.
00:03:21.840 So, you think Trump's administration is okay with that $1.5 million coming through?
00:03:26.380 No, I don't.
00:03:27.020 What I said was I hope, I hope, I don't have a whole lot of faith, I hope the intelligence community have already, not only figures it out, that they figured this out before they even arrived in 2020, early last year.
00:03:39.440 I hope that they had been aware of this over the long term and had been doing something about it.
00:03:44.640 And we're just hearing about it now.
00:03:46.260 You remember the debate with Hillary Clinton and President Trump were debating and he says, yeah, you know, here's a man who does everything he can to pay no taxes.
00:03:57.760 And he only paid this much in taxes.
00:04:00.340 And then the guy asked him, the moderator asked him, yeah, I do my best to pay as little taxes as possible.
00:04:07.160 I use the same code that she wrote the last 30-something days, you've got the chance to change it.
00:04:13.520 This is where I'm going with it.
00:04:14.420 But if a good accountant can help a billionaire like that, you know, minimize the amount of tax exposure that the person has, these Chinese billionaires are like, we're not doing anything illegal.
00:04:26.160 I'm having 100 kids and they're doing it in the U.S.
00:04:28.280 And by your law, I'm legally here.
00:04:31.180 You know what I'm saying, Tom?
00:04:32.080 And so for me, I don't know how you prevent that.
00:04:35.060 But, Tom, go for it.
00:04:36.120 Your thoughts on this.
00:04:36.980 Two things going on here.
00:04:37.980 Number one, Alex Karp is being a defense contractor.
00:04:40.580 And he's telling people, oh, my goodness, this issue, this thing over here, this is just like Boeing and General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman saying, have you seen the new planes that the Chinese are flying in maneuvers over Taiwan?
00:04:55.780 We need the F-88.
00:04:58.980 It'll only be a billion dollars per airplane, but that's what we need if you want to compete with the Chinese.
00:05:04.900 Pat, defense contractors do that every day.
00:05:07.000 It's called defense contractor marketing, and they market based on application, fear, response, buy my product to do it.
00:05:14.240 The second part that makes me very nervous is Alex Karp is playing the familiar card that got played on Americans for the Patriot Act.
00:05:23.660 Throw enough fear on the table to get people to give up privacy in the name of safety.
00:05:30.440 It is a playbook that the government's been running for a long time.
00:05:33.960 You know, long ago, I worked for a telecommunications company, a big one, and we kind of changed the world with some stuff, right?
00:05:42.100 Remember?
00:05:42.700 Of course.
00:05:43.220 There was a room there that they would bring subpoenas so that they could go in and look at phone records.
00:05:49.940 And while they were in there, sometimes they were unattended.
00:05:54.240 And I remember I asked, I said, can I ask a question?
00:05:57.400 You just said sometimes you're in there unattended.
00:05:59.400 How do you know they're only looking at stuff that they have the subpoena for?
00:06:03.580 And they're like, well, we don't really.
00:06:06.140 And this was long before.
00:06:07.620 This is when they would actually go and check records, actually go in.
00:06:11.720 Now they don't have to do that.
00:06:13.100 It's all in the cloud, and they can do it with backdoor access from Langley.
00:06:16.660 So this is classic also, Alex saying, well, the Fourth Amendment says that, you know, data use and privacy right there, Fourth Amendment.
00:06:27.820 Our government and our CIA break the Fourth Amendment before lunch every day, right?
00:06:34.020 Then they track us and the things they've got.
00:06:36.620 So this is Alex Karp on both sides of it.
00:06:38.900 One, he sounds just like the Patriot Act.
00:06:40.660 But on the other hand, he's a defense contractor telling you he's invented the magic thing that's going to solve this.
00:06:46.560 Are you glad he's on your side?
00:06:47.960 I'm glad he's on our side.
00:06:50.080 But the longer term ramifications, it makes me kind of squirt.
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00:07:48.340 Do you think he's on your side?
00:07:50.300 I think he's on Alex.
00:07:52.120 He's on the side of Palantir's profitability.
00:07:54.680 But I do think that he and Peter Thiel are on the side of the U.S.
00:07:59.700 However, there are dark forces in government that want to do things that even they don't want.
00:08:05.640 But once they sell their toy to the government, the government's going to do it anyway.
00:08:10.240 Rob, can you pull up how many contracts does Palantir have with foreign governments?
00:08:16.060 How many contracts does it have with other countries?
00:08:18.780 With foreign?
00:08:21.020 It's not a lot.
00:08:22.840 But listen, one to me is one too many.
00:08:25.540 There's one big round one in the East.
00:08:28.540 It doesn't publish an itemized number of contracts.
00:08:32.860 Many contracts are classified or confidential, especially military and intelligent work.
00:08:36.920 Some foreign deals are announced at high level.
00:08:40.200 So known foreign government clients, U.K. is one.
00:08:43.400 Palantir has multiple contracts with U.K. government,
00:08:45.900 including a large ongoing defense analytics contract with the Ministry of Defense
00:08:50.080 and work with public services.
00:08:52.440 France, they have a contract of renewal for France's domestic intelligence service, DGSI.
00:08:58.940 Extending a multi-year partnership.
00:09:00.740 Then it's Netherlands.
00:09:01.500 Police Department and several Dutch states have reportedly used Palantir software.
00:09:05.860 Canada.
00:09:06.920 Palantir has at least one historic government contract through its subsidiary.
00:09:11.460 Then it's Israel.
00:09:12.340 They deal with the IDF, provided tools and support for the IDF.
00:09:16.000 Ukraine.
00:09:17.820 NATO allied programs.
00:09:19.040 So, yeah.
00:09:21.300 Look at France.
00:09:23.060 Domestic intelligence.
00:09:24.080 I know.
00:09:24.540 I know.
00:09:25.060 So, that's the citizens of France.
00:09:26.980 That's right.
00:09:27.960 If you were a French citizen, would you want your country to have a relationship?
00:09:34.140 Because do you think deep down inside, Alex is still going to be a little bit pro-U.S.
00:09:38.520 or he's going to be pro-profit?
00:09:40.700 What do you put it?
00:09:41.800 Profit.
00:09:42.780 He lives here.
00:09:44.420 You think he would still be pro-profit over pro-country and where he lives?
00:09:49.360 I think maybe power number one over profit and country.
00:09:53.980 Power number one over profit and country.
00:09:57.000 Yeah.
00:09:58.000 But you can also justify it either way, though.
00:10:00.180 I mean, you could say I'm pro-U.S., but I'm doing all these other things that are kind of shady because I'm pro-U.S.
00:10:05.420 and I can control it.
00:10:07.940 Well, it sounds good to say, pro-U.S.
00:10:10.060 Yeah.
00:10:10.760 What does pro-U.S. actually mean?
00:10:12.520 You could be pro-U.
00:10:13.520 I agree with you 100%.
00:10:15.100 You could be pro-U.S., but also be in favor of centralized databases that keep us safe,
00:10:25.160 when in reality, as soon as you set that up, you've got three-letter agencies that are out there
00:10:30.540 that want to use it in the back door for other things.
00:10:33.220 You hit the nail on the head with the Patriot Act.
00:10:35.740 It was supposed to be a tool to help the Bush administration with the war on terror,
00:10:40.480 and in many ways this may have started out that way.
00:10:42.860 Sold with fear in the name of safety.
00:10:44.480 You've got to do this or they're going to blow up airplanes and buildings all over the country, right?
00:10:47.720 We have to know.
00:10:48.180 We have to do it.
00:10:49.380 But what happened to it?
00:10:50.740 It became bastardized by subsequent administrations.
00:10:53.880 The bureaucracies get bigger.
00:10:55.680 Their mission always creeps forward.
00:10:58.100 It gets used for – it starts out pro-U.S., and next thing you know, it's being used against U.S. citizens.
00:11:02.340 It was renewed three times as many pages.
00:11:03.660 Yeah.
00:11:03.840 By the way, this was –
00:11:04.760 It was.
00:11:05.000 It's ridiculous.
00:11:05.800 Palantir was created by the Patriot Act because they tried to do the Total Information Awareness Act,
00:11:10.020 and Congress said, no, we're not doing that.
00:11:11.600 And so the CIA, or In-Q-Tel, started Palantir and funded that.
00:11:16.600 So, you know, Palantir is a direct result.
00:11:17.860 That's a true story, by the way.
00:11:19.120 That makes it even worse.
00:11:20.420 I wish I didn't know that.
00:11:21.400 Yeah.
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