Valuetainment - April 01, 2025


“Pay The Man His Money” – MSNBC Pay War ERUPTS After Rachel Maddow’s SHOCKING $25M Payday


Episode Stats

Length

13 minutes

Words per Minute

188.60759

Word Count

2,533

Sentence Count

261

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

1


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.220 Rachel Maddow's pay fuels jealousy of Lawrence O'Donnell.
00:00:04.200 I want this thing to be a three to five minute clip.
00:00:06.020 I don't want it to be long.
00:00:06.760 I just have one thing to say about this.
00:00:08.780 So Lawrence O'Donnell is pissed.
00:00:11.140 Just about two weeks ago, Rob, you played a clip of him saying this is day 51
00:00:16.000 and I'm not quite sure I can go another whatever many days.
00:00:20.040 I don't know what it was, but you played this clip here.
00:00:22.260 Okay.
00:00:23.060 So is this the one?
00:00:24.420 Go ahead, Rob.
00:00:24.940 So that's Lawrence O'Donnell, right?
00:00:26.880 Yep.
00:00:27.220 Okay, play the clip.
00:00:27.940 Well, here's the thing.
00:00:30.000 This is day 52.
00:00:31.840 I thought it was day 92.
00:00:33.180 It turns out it's day 52, Rachel, and I'm exhausted at day 52.
00:00:40.920 And so I'm going to take next week off.
00:00:45.160 And I'm telling you that now because I know you don't like it when I just drift away.
00:00:48.260 And I don't, but just taking next week off.
00:00:50.560 Then I couldn't, then I could come back.
00:00:53.580 Okay.
00:00:54.280 So Lawrence O'Donnell, he says this, right?
00:00:57.540 Yeah, that's a bad picture, right?
00:00:59.080 Good job, Rob.
00:00:59.780 So Rachel Maddow, veteran MSNBC host, 2008 Rachel Maddow show, reportedly earning $25 million
00:01:04.580 yearly, has sparked envy at the networks with an insider telling the sun, Lawrence has been
00:01:10.080 trying to renegotiate his contract and he wants his internal everyone calling the Rachel Maddow
00:01:13.900 did the scrap that's working one day a week and recording a podcast, which will never happen
00:01:18.260 again.
00:01:19.160 Maddow's top rated show in February and a pledge to host daily during Trump's first hundred
00:01:24.040 days, contrast with Lawrence O'Donnell's absence from the last word, fueling rumors of his
00:01:28.440 push for a similar golden parachute as MSNBC faces spinoff from parent NBC, Lawrence O'Donnell,
00:01:34.100 another MSNBC mainstay announced a break on air telling Maddow this is day 52.
00:01:38.600 I'm not going to take it for you.
00:01:40.340 I'm going to take a week off.
00:01:41.900 So, Rob, can you do me a favor?
00:01:44.560 Let's look at data.
00:01:45.880 Can you go on YouTube and type in Rachel Maddow?
00:01:50.000 Type in Rachel Maddow and go to filters, if you could, and just go to views and then go to this month.
00:02:00.680 Go to views and just go to this month, this month, go right there.
00:02:06.880 Okay.
00:02:07.320 So can you go to the left?
00:02:08.720 So first one is not her.
00:02:10.940 It's Lawrence O'Donnell's show.
00:02:12.900 Second one is her 4.8 million views.
00:02:16.640 Third one is not her.
00:02:18.580 It's Lawrence.
00:02:19.500 Fourth one.
00:02:20.340 I don't know who that is.
00:02:21.240 Okay.
00:02:21.940 Go to fifth one.
00:02:22.900 It's another person.
00:02:23.680 Go to sixth one.
00:02:24.660 Another person.
00:02:25.160 So they're just tacking Rachel Maddow in the title.
00:02:30.380 Go a little lower.
00:02:31.480 Go a little lower.
00:02:32.300 Go a little lower.
00:02:32.980 Go a little lower.
00:02:33.920 Okay.
00:02:34.400 So why don't we do this?
00:02:35.320 Go to the search, Rob, and go to 12 months.
00:02:38.300 Go to this year.
00:02:39.280 Same thing.
00:02:39.780 Go all the way to the top.
00:02:40.580 The filters.
00:02:41.120 Go all the way to the top.
00:02:41.920 Filter will show up.
00:02:42.920 Now instead of this week, put this month.
00:02:44.880 This year.
00:02:45.460 Yeah.
00:02:45.800 There you go.
00:02:47.200 He's in the top three.
00:02:48.040 It's all him.
00:02:48.960 So 10 million views.
00:02:50.200 That's a month ago.
00:02:51.440 Eight and a half million views.
00:02:52.620 That's a month ago.
00:02:53.420 Can you type on it to make sure it's the real thing?
00:02:55.520 Let's see how many comments and likes it gets because that's the way to measure if it's real.
00:02:59.040 Click on it.
00:03:00.380 31,000 comments.
00:03:01.780 It's real.
00:03:02.400 175,000 likes.
00:03:03.440 So he got that many views.
00:03:04.340 Go back.
00:03:05.460 So 6.2 million views.
00:03:06.860 It's short.
00:03:07.760 So this is still Rachel Maddow's name we're using.
00:03:10.640 So the biggest Rachel Maddow clip that's her is a short 6.2 million views.
00:03:15.760 That means nothing.
00:03:16.520 Go lower.
00:03:18.220 So go lower.
00:03:19.620 So that's her.
00:03:20.440 And how many views is that?
00:03:21.800 4.8.
00:03:22.300 So the biggest clip that she's had the last 12 months is a 4.8 million view clip.
00:03:29.220 Now go up there and just remember this when we're negotiating.
00:03:33.700 If you're an agent representing Lawrence O'Donnell, type in Lawrence O'Donnell.
00:03:37.300 Type in Lawrence O'Donnell.
00:03:38.960 And Lawrence O'Donnell, boom.
00:03:41.140 And go to filters.
00:03:41.980 Do the same exact thing.
00:03:43.400 And go to views.
00:03:45.400 And then let's go to the other filter.
00:03:46.880 Put this year.
00:03:47.680 No, this year.
00:03:48.460 Yep.
00:03:49.060 To compare the two.
00:03:50.120 Look at this.
00:03:51.100 10 million views.
00:03:52.200 8.5 million views.
00:03:53.340 8.5 million views.
00:03:54.300 7.3 million views.
00:03:56.160 Go to 4.7 million views.
00:03:58.420 4.1 million views.
00:03:59.720 He's the face.
00:04:00.680 So guess what?
00:04:01.340 Pay the man his money.
00:04:02.300 Nope.
00:04:02.660 Okay?
00:04:03.100 Pay the man his money.
00:04:03.880 I'm going to tell you this, though.
00:04:04.700 Hang on.
00:04:04.980 Let me finish my thought with this year.
00:04:06.700 The other part I would tell you is the following.
00:04:08.620 Think about this following thing on what I'm about to say.
00:04:12.720 How many people, when is the last time you saw us reacting to a Lawrence O'Donnell clip?
00:04:19.840 I don't remember.
00:04:20.660 No.
00:04:21.480 I don't remember.
00:04:22.600 Well, one of them we have, which is who?
00:04:25.580 Rachel Maddow.
00:04:26.860 When he's like, it's day 51, Rob, and whatever, whatever.
00:04:29.980 Yeah, we just saw it.
00:04:30.620 Tell me how many clips we've responded to with Lawrence O'Donnell last 12 months.
00:04:34.700 Besides that one?
00:04:36.180 I don't know if we've done it.
00:04:38.100 I don't even think so.
00:04:38.880 Rob, can you look at your history and see how many Lawrence O'Donnell clips you got?
00:04:42.780 I have two.
00:04:44.300 The one, I have a clip of him talking about Stormy Daniel.
00:04:49.160 So this has to be sometime in early 2024.
00:04:52.320 And then the only other clip I have in our archive, in our archive, goes back to the beginning of January 2024.
00:04:58.560 Till now, there's two clips.
00:05:00.360 The one we just played of day 52.
00:05:02.400 And then one of him talking about Stormy Daniels from May 9th of 2024.
00:05:08.040 Okay, can you search Joy Reid to see if Joy Reid got more eyeballs than, can you type in Joy Reid?
00:05:14.900 How many more you see?
00:05:16.360 Oh, I mean, we have a ton of Joy Reid clips.
00:05:18.500 Okay, go to the view, type in the view, and see how many of the view comes up.
00:05:22.100 It's not loading.
00:05:27.340 Normally, when I do the view clips, I label it with the host name rather than the show.
00:05:30.960 Maybe do Bill Maher.
00:05:31.820 Go to Bill Maher.
00:05:34.700 Go all the way down and see how many Bill Maher it is.
00:05:38.080 Ugh, a lot.
00:05:39.120 Yeah, so unfortunately, Lawrence doesn't make news for people to react to it.
00:05:46.020 Bill Maher, what do they pay Bill Maher every year?
00:05:50.100 For HBO?
00:05:50.780 I think it's $7 million.
00:05:51.860 No, it's more than that.
00:05:53.100 I think, what's Bill Maher's salary per year?
00:05:55.500 $10 million a year.
00:05:57.020 So Bill Maher's getting $10 million a year.
00:05:58.460 What do they pay Maddow?
00:06:00.160 $25 million a year for her.
00:06:01.600 Too much.
00:06:01.900 That is, that is, guys, she's at best worth $3 to $5 million.
00:06:06.360 If that.
00:06:07.200 At best $3 to $5 million.
00:06:08.360 Adam, thoughts?
00:06:09.480 Well, look, Lawrence O'Donnell, who we're talking about, congratulations, versus Rachel Maddow.
00:06:15.720 This is the definition of DEI versus MEI.
00:06:18.780 It just showed the views on YouTube.
00:06:22.500 That's one component.
00:06:23.440 I think on cable, she does infinitely better.
00:06:27.520 But here's a guy, a straight, white male, I think.
00:06:30.940 Boston, Harvard grad, liberal guy, who's been a newsman, news reporter, journalist for 50 years, who completely is out of touch with the current state of affairs of the Democratic Party.
00:06:45.700 Unless you're female, gay, trans, some sort of DEI type situation, Democratic Party ain't for you, dude.
00:06:55.900 So it doesn't surprise me that someone who has literally earned this stature, this guy's been on MSNBC forever, is no longer going to be, I guess, treated as fairly as he should be.
00:07:09.500 So Rachel Maddow, a lesbian, DEI, however you want to call it, that sort of amalgamation, of course she's going to be the face of the brand.
00:07:18.940 There's no way in hell MSNBC is going to take a straight white man and be like, that's our guy.
00:07:24.740 And I know this is simplistic, and I know this is just a basically elementary view of what's going on, but we all see what's been happening.
00:07:32.500 We've seen what's happened to the country.
00:07:34.420 So I'm not shocked what's going on here.
00:07:36.580 By the way, there were other straight white men over the last few years who were the faces of MSNBC.
00:07:42.060 Where the hell are they now?
00:07:43.180 Brian Williams? Gone.
00:07:45.780 Chris Matthews? Gone.
00:07:47.360 And, you know, Joy Reid had to basically submarine the entire network for them to be like, all right, we got to let this shit go because, I mean, she's just bad.
00:07:57.220 And then they just went and replaced her with Simone Sanders, who's just like somewhat better.
00:08:03.480 So, you know, CNN's digging their own grave, MSNBC's digging their own grave, and Fox is basically eating their lunch every day.
00:08:11.960 Can I ask you a question though?
00:08:12.940 Yeah.
00:08:15.020 She's not getting the views.
00:08:16.040 What would make a network pay someone $25 million and then go, okay, we kind of got to drop it to five to make it look good.
00:08:24.620 What in the world?
00:08:26.420 Like, I don't get it.
00:08:28.080 I just don't understand.
00:08:28.700 She's the face of the brand.
00:08:31.040 Of all of MSNBC you think of.
00:08:32.840 What do they call MSNBC?
00:08:34.840 MSDNC?
00:08:35.420 Yeah.
00:08:36.040 So, I mean, Vinny, do the math here.
00:08:38.760 But do you have to pay her that much money?
00:08:40.900 Like, question though.
00:08:41.740 If they right now said, listen, we're sorry.
00:08:44.180 We're going down.
00:08:45.220 The ship is sinking.
00:08:46.760 It's almost done.
00:08:48.460 Who's the young girl that CNN signed?
00:08:50.480 Is it Crystal?
00:08:51.120 Is that?
00:08:51.680 That's CNN.
00:08:52.640 That's CNN.
00:08:53.720 What are they paying Caitlin Collins?
00:08:55.360 I want to say $3 million.
00:08:56.160 $3 million.
00:08:57.220 $3 million.
00:08:57.720 $3 million.
00:08:58.120 By the way, let me ask you a question.
00:09:00.180 Let me ask you a question.
00:09:01.580 To pay, very honest question.
00:09:03.780 Would you rather pay $3 million a year to Caitlin Collins or $3 million a year to Rachel Maddow?
00:09:09.240 $3 million to Rachel Maddow?
00:09:10.460 Caitlin Collins.
00:09:11.160 You'd rather pay to Rachel Maddow?
00:09:13.720 She's more of a name and a face.
00:09:15.180 She can carry a brand, apparently.
00:09:16.580 If I just have $3 million to pay a year.
00:09:18.620 What do you think, Tom?
00:09:19.820 What do I think?
00:09:21.100 I would pay Caitlin Collins the $3 million a year because I think she's got more upside.
00:09:27.620 I think she's malleable.
00:09:29.020 Previously, she demonstrated a little bit of a conservative bent.
00:09:32.000 She was dating somebody.
00:09:33.540 Now she's living in a liberal chair.
00:09:35.380 People say that may not be the real her, but she's got upside.
00:09:37.900 She worked on a Tucker show, if I'm not mistaken, many, many years ago.
00:09:40.680 So I have two things to say really quick.
00:09:43.280 Never, never underestimate the power of the echo chamber, Vinny, in corporate boardrooms.
00:09:50.560 Never underestimate the power of that echo chamber to make decisions.
00:09:54.060 And second, never assume, you know, malice if it can be adequately explained by stupidity.
00:10:02.820 And I just think these bad owners make bad decisions.
00:10:06.260 In baseball, there was the Bobby Bonilla contract.
00:10:08.840 There was the Chan Ho Park contract by the drunk—I won't say drunk.
00:10:12.800 The Texas Rangers, everyone wanted to know what happened at this dinner when they came and they gave Chan Ho Park this unbelievable contract,
00:10:20.180 which later was traded around the league as everyone was trying to get rid of it
00:10:24.600 because he was never a pitcher that was going to pitch up to that level.
00:10:29.180 But it was a frenzy and free agent.
00:10:31.180 They thought they needed another arm.
00:10:32.740 They freaked out.
00:10:33.640 They went to the echo chamber and they signed it.
00:10:35.260 And all of baseball was like, what?
00:10:37.180 Well, guess what?
00:10:37.960 Every other owner in baseball was just one moment away from their own Chan Ho Park or Bobby Bonilla thing.
00:10:43.360 And guess what?
00:10:43.880 But MSNBC talked themselves in believing into the echo chamber that woke was the future, that progressive was the future,
00:10:50.600 and they talked themselves into believing that this is what they needed to do for Rachel Maddow.
00:10:54.660 I think it's that simple.
00:10:55.780 I'm not picking on anybody.
00:10:57.040 I'm not calling anybody names.
00:10:58.300 And when I say, you know, that can be adequately explained by stupidity, I'm quoting a maxim.
00:11:03.840 Never assume malice is at fault if you can just say, man, maybe they were just dumb that day.
00:11:10.120 Yeah.
00:11:10.320 You know how I look at it?
00:11:12.340 But I look at it the following way.
00:11:14.860 Say you're putting an NBA team together.
00:11:16.980 All right?
00:11:17.540 So you're kind of like, well, I'm going to go get a 38-year-old, what do you call it?
00:11:21.460 I'm going to get a 38-year-old center that has known more, and I'm going to pay him more than I'm going to pay a guy that's coming out in the NBA that's a second-year center that's doing a good job.
00:11:33.200 I would easily pay the $3 million to Kaitlin Collins over Rachel Maddow any day of the week.
00:11:37.380 And I would be moving on, save the money, know the fact that market is about to change in case RFK does what he does.
00:11:44.020 And that alone is going to be big enough of a story to see what will take place there.
00:11:49.640 But that's my opinion.
00:11:50.720 I would rather pay her than to pay him.
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