Valuetainment - April 01, 2025


“Pay The Man His Money” – MSNBC Pay War ERUPTS After Rachel Maddow’s SHOCKING $25M Payday


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261

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15

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11

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Rachel Maddow's pay fuels jealousy of Lawrence O'Donnell. Rachel Maddow s $25M salary fuels envy at the networks, with an insider telling the Sun, Lawrence has been trying to renegotiate his contract and he wants his internal staff to do the same.

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00:00:00.220 Rachel Maddow's pay fuels jealousy of Lawrence O'Donnell. 1.00
00:00:04.200 I want this thing to be a three to five minute clip.
00:00:06.020 I don't want it to be long.
00:00:06.760 I just have one thing to say about this.
00:00:08.780 So Lawrence O'Donnell is pissed.
00:00:11.140 Just about two weeks ago, Rob, you played a clip of him saying this is day 51
00:00:16.000 and I'm not quite sure I can go another whatever many days.
00:00:20.040 I don't know what it was, but you played this clip here.
00:00:22.260 Okay.
00:00:23.060 So is this the one?
00:00:24.420 Go ahead, Rob.
00:00:24.940 So that's Lawrence O'Donnell, right?
00:00:26.880 Yep.
00:00:27.220 Okay, play the clip.
00:00:27.940 Well, here's the thing.
00:00:30.000 This is day 52.
00:00:31.840 I thought it was day 92.
00:00:33.180 It turns out it's day 52, Rachel, and I'm exhausted at day 52.
00:00:40.920 And so I'm going to take next week off.
00:00:45.160 And I'm telling you that now because I know you don't like it when I just drift away.
00:00:48.260 And I don't, but just taking next week off.
00:00:50.560 Then I couldn't, then I could come back.
00:00:53.580 Okay.
00:00:54.280 So Lawrence O'Donnell, he says this, right?
00:00:57.540 Yeah, that's a bad picture, right?
00:00:59.080 Good job, Rob.
00:00:59.780 So Rachel Maddow, veteran MSNBC host, 2008 Rachel Maddow show, reportedly earning $25 million 0.96
00:01:04.580 yearly, has sparked envy at the networks with an insider telling the sun, Lawrence has been
00:01:10.080 trying to renegotiate his contract and he wants his internal everyone calling the Rachel Maddow
00:01:13.900 did the scrap that's working one day a week and recording a podcast, which will never happen
00:01:18.260 again.
00:01:19.160 Maddow's top rated show in February and a pledge to host daily during Trump's first hundred
00:01:24.040 days, contrast with Lawrence O'Donnell's absence from the last word, fueling rumors of his
00:01:28.440 push for a similar golden parachute as MSNBC faces spinoff from parent NBC, Lawrence O'Donnell,
00:01:34.100 another MSNBC mainstay announced a break on air telling Maddow this is day 52.
00:01:38.600 I'm not going to take it for you.
00:01:40.340 I'm going to take a week off.
00:01:41.900 So, Rob, can you do me a favor?
00:01:44.560 Let's look at data.
00:01:45.880 Can you go on YouTube and type in Rachel Maddow?
00:01:50.000 Type in Rachel Maddow and go to filters, if you could, and just go to views and then go to this month.
00:02:00.680 Go to views and just go to this month, this month, go right there.
00:02:06.880 Okay.
00:02:07.320 So can you go to the left?
00:02:08.720 So first one is not her.
00:02:10.940 It's Lawrence O'Donnell's show.
00:02:12.900 Second one is her 4.8 million views.
00:02:16.640 Third one is not her.
00:02:18.580 It's Lawrence.
00:02:19.500 Fourth one.
00:02:20.340 I don't know who that is.
00:02:21.240 Okay.
00:02:21.940 Go to fifth one.
00:02:22.900 It's another person.
00:02:23.680 Go to sixth one.
00:02:24.660 Another person.
00:02:25.160 So they're just tacking Rachel Maddow in the title. 0.97
00:02:30.380 Go a little lower.
00:02:31.480 Go a little lower.
00:02:32.300 Go a little lower.
00:02:32.980 Go a little lower.
00:02:33.920 Okay.
00:02:34.400 So why don't we do this?
00:02:35.320 Go to the search, Rob, and go to 12 months.
00:02:38.300 Go to this year.
00:02:39.280 Same thing.
00:02:39.780 Go all the way to the top.
00:02:40.580 The filters.
00:02:41.120 Go all the way to the top.
00:02:41.920 Filter will show up.
00:02:42.920 Now instead of this week, put this month.
00:02:44.880 This year.
00:02:45.460 Yeah.
00:02:45.800 There you go.
00:02:47.200 He's in the top three.
00:02:48.040 It's all him.
00:02:48.960 So 10 million views.
00:02:50.200 That's a month ago.
00:02:51.440 Eight and a half million views.
00:02:52.620 That's a month ago.
00:02:53.420 Can you type on it to make sure it's the real thing?
00:02:55.520 Let's see how many comments and likes it gets because that's the way to measure if it's real.
00:02:59.040 Click on it.
00:03:00.380 31,000 comments.
00:03:01.780 It's real.
00:03:02.400 175,000 likes.
00:03:03.440 So he got that many views.
00:03:04.340 Go back.
00:03:05.460 So 6.2 million views.
00:03:06.860 It's short.
00:03:07.760 So this is still Rachel Maddow's name we're using.
00:03:10.640 So the biggest Rachel Maddow clip that's her is a short 6.2 million views.
00:03:15.760 That means nothing.
00:03:16.520 Go lower.
00:03:18.220 So go lower.
00:03:19.620 So that's her.
00:03:20.440 And how many views is that?
00:03:21.800 4.8.
00:03:22.300 So the biggest clip that she's had the last 12 months is a 4.8 million view clip.
00:03:29.220 Now go up there and just remember this when we're negotiating.
00:03:33.700 If you're an agent representing Lawrence O'Donnell, type in Lawrence O'Donnell.
00:03:37.300 Type in Lawrence O'Donnell.
00:03:38.960 And Lawrence O'Donnell, boom.
00:03:41.140 And go to filters.
00:03:41.980 Do the same exact thing.
00:03:43.400 And go to views.
00:03:45.400 And then let's go to the other filter.
00:03:46.880 Put this year.
00:03:47.680 No, this year.
00:03:48.460 Yep.
00:03:49.060 To compare the two.
00:03:50.120 Look at this.
00:03:51.100 10 million views.
00:03:52.200 8.5 million views.
00:03:53.340 8.5 million views.
00:03:54.300 7.3 million views.
00:03:56.160 Go to 4.7 million views.
00:03:58.420 4.1 million views.
00:03:59.720 He's the face.
00:04:00.680 So guess what?
00:04:01.340 Pay the man his money.
00:04:02.300 Nope.
00:04:02.660 Okay?
00:04:03.100 Pay the man his money.
00:04:03.880 I'm going to tell you this, though.
00:04:04.700 Hang on.
00:04:04.980 Let me finish my thought with this year.
00:04:06.700 The other part I would tell you is the following.
00:04:08.620 Think about this following thing on what I'm about to say.
00:04:12.720 How many people, when is the last time you saw us reacting to a Lawrence O'Donnell clip?
00:04:19.840 I don't remember.
00:04:20.660 No.
00:04:21.480 I don't remember.
00:04:22.600 Well, one of them we have, which is who?
00:04:25.580 Rachel Maddow.
00:04:26.860 When he's like, it's day 51, Rob, and whatever, whatever.
00:04:29.980 Yeah, we just saw it.
00:04:30.620 Tell me how many clips we've responded to with Lawrence O'Donnell last 12 months.
00:04:34.700 Besides that one?
00:04:36.180 I don't know if we've done it.
00:04:38.100 I don't even think so.
00:04:38.880 Rob, can you look at your history and see how many Lawrence O'Donnell clips you got?
00:04:42.780 I have two.
00:04:44.300 The one, I have a clip of him talking about Stormy Daniel.
00:04:49.160 So this has to be sometime in early 2024.
00:04:52.320 And then the only other clip I have in our archive, in our archive, goes back to the beginning of January 2024.
00:04:58.560 Till now, there's two clips.
00:05:00.360 The one we just played of day 52.
00:05:02.400 And then one of him talking about Stormy Daniels from May 9th of 2024.
00:05:08.040 Okay, can you search Joy Reid to see if Joy Reid got more eyeballs than, can you type in Joy Reid?
00:05:14.900 How many more you see?
00:05:16.360 Oh, I mean, we have a ton of Joy Reid clips.
00:05:18.500 Okay, go to the view, type in the view, and see how many of the view comes up.
00:05:22.100 It's not loading.
00:05:27.340 Normally, when I do the view clips, I label it with the host name rather than the show.
00:05:30.960 Maybe do Bill Maher.
00:05:31.820 Go to Bill Maher.
00:05:34.700 Go all the way down and see how many Bill Maher it is.
00:05:38.080 Ugh, a lot.
00:05:39.120 Yeah, so unfortunately, Lawrence doesn't make news for people to react to it.
00:05:46.020 Bill Maher, what do they pay Bill Maher every year?
00:05:50.100 For HBO?
00:05:50.780 I think it's $7 million.
00:05:51.860 No, it's more than that.
00:05:53.100 I think, what's Bill Maher's salary per year?
00:05:55.500 $10 million a year.
00:05:57.020 So Bill Maher's getting $10 million a year.
00:05:58.460 What do they pay Maddow?
00:06:00.160 $25 million a year for her.
00:06:01.600 Too much.
00:06:01.900 That is, that is, guys, she's at best worth $3 to $5 million. 1.00
00:06:06.360 If that.
00:06:07.200 At best $3 to $5 million.
00:06:08.360 Adam, thoughts?
00:06:09.480 Well, look, Lawrence O'Donnell, who we're talking about, congratulations, versus Rachel Maddow.
00:06:15.720 This is the definition of DEI versus MEI.
00:06:18.780 It just showed the views on YouTube.
00:06:22.500 That's one component.
00:06:23.440 I think on cable, she does infinitely better.
00:06:27.520 But here's a guy, a straight, white male, I think.
00:06:30.940 Boston, Harvard grad, liberal guy, who's been a newsman, news reporter, journalist for 50 years, who completely is out of touch with the current state of affairs of the Democratic Party. 0.94
00:06:45.700 Unless you're female, gay, trans, some sort of DEI type situation, Democratic Party ain't for you, dude. 0.91
00:06:55.900 So it doesn't surprise me that someone who has literally earned this stature, this guy's been on MSNBC forever, is no longer going to be, I guess, treated as fairly as he should be. 0.84
00:07:09.500 So Rachel Maddow, a lesbian, DEI, however you want to call it, that sort of amalgamation, of course she's going to be the face of the brand. 0.74
00:07:18.940 There's no way in hell MSNBC is going to take a straight white man and be like, that's our guy. 0.96
00:07:24.740 And I know this is simplistic, and I know this is just a basically elementary view of what's going on, but we all see what's been happening.
00:07:32.500 We've seen what's happened to the country.
00:07:34.420 So I'm not shocked what's going on here.
00:07:36.580 By the way, there were other straight white men over the last few years who were the faces of MSNBC.
00:07:42.060 Where the hell are they now?
00:07:43.180 Brian Williams? Gone.
00:07:45.780 Chris Matthews? Gone.
00:07:47.360 And, you know, Joy Reid had to basically submarine the entire network for them to be like, all right, we got to let this shit go because, I mean, she's just bad. 1.00
00:07:57.220 And then they just went and replaced her with Simone Sanders, who's just like somewhat better. 0.99
00:08:03.480 So, you know, CNN's digging their own grave, MSNBC's digging their own grave, and Fox is basically eating their lunch every day.
00:08:11.960 Can I ask you a question though?
00:08:12.940 Yeah.
00:08:15.020 She's not getting the views.
00:08:16.040 What would make a network pay someone $25 million and then go, okay, we kind of got to drop it to five to make it look good.
00:08:24.620 What in the world?
00:08:26.420 Like, I don't get it.
00:08:28.080 I just don't understand.
00:08:28.700 She's the face of the brand.
00:08:31.040 Of all of MSNBC you think of.
00:08:32.840 What do they call MSNBC?
00:08:34.840 MSDNC?
00:08:35.420 Yeah.
00:08:36.040 So, I mean, Vinny, do the math here.
00:08:38.760 But do you have to pay her that much money? 0.59
00:08:40.900 Like, question though.
00:08:41.740 If they right now said, listen, we're sorry.
00:08:44.180 We're going down.
00:08:45.220 The ship is sinking.
00:08:46.760 It's almost done.
00:08:48.460 Who's the young girl that CNN signed? 0.86
00:08:50.480 Is it Crystal?
00:08:51.120 Is that?
00:08:51.680 That's CNN.
00:08:52.640 That's CNN.
00:08:53.720 What are they paying Caitlin Collins?
00:08:55.360 I want to say $3 million.
00:08:56.160 $3 million.
00:08:57.220 $3 million.
00:08:57.720 $3 million.
00:08:58.120 By the way, let me ask you a question.
00:09:00.180 Let me ask you a question.
00:09:01.580 To pay, very honest question.
00:09:03.780 Would you rather pay $3 million a year to Caitlin Collins or $3 million a year to Rachel Maddow?
00:09:09.240 $3 million to Rachel Maddow?
00:09:10.460 Caitlin Collins.
00:09:11.160 You'd rather pay to Rachel Maddow?
00:09:13.720 She's more of a name and a face.
00:09:15.180 She can carry a brand, apparently. 0.94
00:09:16.580 If I just have $3 million to pay a year.
00:09:18.620 What do you think, Tom?
00:09:19.820 What do I think?
00:09:21.100 I would pay Caitlin Collins the $3 million a year because I think she's got more upside. 1.00
00:09:27.620 I think she's malleable. 1.00
00:09:29.020 Previously, she demonstrated a little bit of a conservative bent.
00:09:32.000 She was dating somebody.
00:09:33.540 Now she's living in a liberal chair. 1.00
00:09:35.380 People say that may not be the real her, but she's got upside. 0.97
00:09:37.900 She worked on a Tucker show, if I'm not mistaken, many, many years ago.
00:09:40.680 So I have two things to say really quick.
00:09:43.280 Never, never underestimate the power of the echo chamber, Vinny, in corporate boardrooms.
00:09:50.560 Never underestimate the power of that echo chamber to make decisions. 1.00
00:09:54.060 And second, never assume, you know, malice if it can be adequately explained by stupidity. 1.00
00:10:02.820 And I just think these bad owners make bad decisions. 1.00
00:10:06.260 In baseball, there was the Bobby Bonilla contract.
00:10:08.840 There was the Chan Ho Park contract by the drunk—I won't say drunk.
00:10:12.800 The Texas Rangers, everyone wanted to know what happened at this dinner when they came and they gave Chan Ho Park this unbelievable contract,
00:10:20.180 which later was traded around the league as everyone was trying to get rid of it
00:10:24.600 because he was never a pitcher that was going to pitch up to that level.
00:10:29.180 But it was a frenzy and free agent.
00:10:31.180 They thought they needed another arm.
00:10:32.740 They freaked out.
00:10:33.640 They went to the echo chamber and they signed it.
00:10:35.260 And all of baseball was like, what?
00:10:37.180 Well, guess what?
00:10:37.960 Every other owner in baseball was just one moment away from their own Chan Ho Park or Bobby Bonilla thing.
00:10:43.360 And guess what?
00:10:43.880 But MSNBC talked themselves in believing into the echo chamber that woke was the future, that progressive was the future,
00:10:50.600 and they talked themselves into believing that this is what they needed to do for Rachel Maddow.
00:10:54.660 I think it's that simple.
00:10:55.780 I'm not picking on anybody.
00:10:57.040 I'm not calling anybody names. 0.99
00:10:58.300 And when I say, you know, that can be adequately explained by stupidity, I'm quoting a maxim. 1.00
00:11:03.840 Never assume malice is at fault if you can just say, man, maybe they were just dumb that day. 1.00
00:11:10.120 Yeah. 0.97
00:11:10.320 You know how I look at it?
00:11:12.340 But I look at it the following way.
00:11:14.860 Say you're putting an NBA team together.
00:11:16.980 All right?
00:11:17.540 So you're kind of like, well, I'm going to go get a 38-year-old, what do you call it?
00:11:21.460 I'm going to get a 38-year-old center that has known more, and I'm going to pay him more than I'm going to pay a guy that's coming out in the NBA that's a second-year center that's doing a good job.
00:11:33.200 I would easily pay the $3 million to Kaitlin Collins over Rachel Maddow any day of the week.
00:11:37.380 And I would be moving on, save the money, know the fact that market is about to change in case RFK does what he does.
00:11:44.020 And that alone is going to be big enough of a story to see what will take place there.
00:11:49.640 But that's my opinion.
00:11:50.720 I would rather pay her than to pay him.
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