Valuetainment - June 19, 2026


＂Pick a Side＂ – Former Daily Wire CEO Says JD Vance Must Distance Himself From Tucker


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6 minutes

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181.93

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1,182

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68


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J.D. Deutch and Ben Shapiro join host Alex Blumberg to discuss the latest developments in the Democratic primary race, including J.D.'s potential run for president in 2020 and why he should be worried about Marco Rubio.

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00:00:00.000 Tucker's son works for Vance did did Tulsi Vance and Kent had a friendship had a relationship
00:00:08.180 right sometimes they'll say that's the group right there Rubio is kind of like look guys I don't even
00:00:13.140 want to run in 2020 he keeps avoiding it look I don't want to run I don't want to run I don't
00:00:16.300 want to run you know he's gonna run okay and JD I don't know you know we're gonna be thinking about
00:00:20.840 maybe I gotta spend time with the kids everyone's bullshitting saying all this stuff they have to
00:00:23.920 run there's no way these guys are not gonna run you gotta run you reach for the ring so let me ask
00:00:28.620 you, you know, is it fair to say that you and Ben are 90% on the same page politically,
00:00:34.440 ideology-wise? Yeah, there's probably no one in public life with whom I agree more on politics
00:00:39.120 than Ben. Okay, perfect. So let's leave it at that. So if that's the case, would you trust a
00:00:45.420 J.D. for 2028? Not today. I'm not saying that I can't support J.D. in 28. J.D. plays his politics
00:00:54.500 incredibly close. JD is a very peculiar figure in our politics in that we don't really know
00:01:02.860 exactly what he thinks about some of the most important issues happening, not just like
00:01:06.260 abstract ideological issues, but what he actually thinks about real world things that are happening
00:01:10.560 in real time right now. And what does JD really think about the president's actions in Iran,
00:01:15.400 just as one example? I don't know. I can make a case both ways, and I can point you to some
00:01:20.940 evidence both ways. I think JD has played it too close and lost the trust of a lot of people who
00:01:31.260 he will need in order to win. Not too late to recover that. You're going to have to give people
00:01:36.360 some visibility into what you think, and it's going to have to be the things that they need it
00:01:39.700 to be. I think that JD is too online. I think he's so perpetually on X that he sometimes misreads
00:01:48.740 where the movement actually is, as so many people did, say, in the Massey primary.
00:01:55.380 Now, it may very well be that online is a leading indicator. I don't take from Massey's loss that
00:02:03.860 Twitter isn't real life. I more take from Massey's loss that Twitter isn't real life yet.
00:02:08.760 And obviously, influence takes time to actually materialize. But I think the vice president is
00:02:13.840 too perpetually online. I think he's played his politics too close and lost people whom he needs.
00:02:19.660 And I think his relationship with Tucker is a massive problem for him. I don't begrudge him
00:02:23.580 not turning on a friend. Friendship's an incredibly important thing. I think that
00:02:29.320 J.D. owes a lot of his political career to Tucker making early investments in him.
00:02:35.920 I think he probably likes Tucker on a personal level. I think it's a good thing not to
00:02:39.700 lightly turn on your friends. But Tucker's at war with your actual administration at this point.
00:02:45.400 If you're still advocating for Tucker instead of defending the administration against the
00:02:54.180 charges of someone like Tucker, then you're sort of misreading the job, in my opinion.
00:02:59.660 So can J.D. win? I don't think J.D. can win today. But the election isn't today. Will J.D. be able to
00:03:06.480 win by 2028 yeah you can it's a lot of time in politics for course correction and showing us
00:03:11.580 who he it's going to come down to jd has to show us who he really is and who he really is has to
00:03:15.280 be able to keep together the trump coalition or build a different coalition that's capable of
00:03:19.640 victory right now i don't think he's on a track to do that i think marco is far more likely to
00:03:25.500 keep the trump coalition together how will they get marco so think like the let's be the devil's
00:03:31.160 advocate. How do you attack Marco? What you're going to say of Marco is that he's a liberal.
00:03:37.400 What you're going to say of Marco is that he's squishy. What you're going to say about Marco,
00:03:41.100 and you're going to say that because you want to set JD up as the real true
00:03:44.440 voice of dissident right-wing conservatism. I don't think it sticks though, because
00:03:49.000 Rubio's tenure as Secretary of State has been so masculine, has been so strong.
00:03:54.900 um uh also some things just come down to like you'd like you know just like uh you home part of
00:04:03.080 the most storied baseball franchise in the country so you know that uh
00:04:09.200 at the at the end of the day there's like a um
00:04:14.500 man i lost that thought baseball and rubio is a pretty good thought anytime you're talking
00:04:23.500 about a Cuban guy. No, you said liberal. You were going liberal. They're going to say he's a liberal.
00:04:27.760 Then you're going to say last 10 years. He had an incredible record. He did so well last 10 years.
00:04:32.140 Well, as with baseball, the actual history of the sport can tell us a lot. In the last 120 years,
00:04:38.700 no sitting vice president has sought his party's nomination to be president or to be the party's
00:04:44.020 nominee for president with the endorsement of the sitting president and failed to gain it.
00:04:48.900 but twice we've had a sitting vice president seek his party's nomination without the endorsement of
00:04:55.320 the sitting president of his own party and failed to to get it so a lot of marco's prospects are
00:05:01.080 going to come down to does trump endorse jd vance to be his successor if trump sits it out it's going
00:05:08.120 to be a i think it's going to be a true open primary i just understood what you just said so
00:05:12.200 so god so who were the ones that didn't endorse the vp oh man i know pence has not won so it's
00:05:16.840 not like because you he went directly against them but i'm wondering who that is who the other
00:05:21.060 uh man what were the vps because we'd have to look this up reagan supported bush okay no early
00:05:28.440 it's earlier than than you and i okay so these are names that maybe is not our time for us to
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