＂Population Transfer Of Palestinians＂ - Nick Fuentes ALLEGES Ben Shapiro Called For Ethnic Cleansing
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Summary
On today's show, we have a special guest on the show, Rob Perla. Rob is a conservative commentator, writer, podcaster, and podcaster. He's been around for a long time, and is one of the most influential people in the conservative movement. In this episode, we talk about how he got his start in media, and how he became a media darling.
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So it's interesting that you're getting under so many people's skin, even though you're not yet that influential.
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You may be amongst your circle because people probably know you're going to be somebody, you're going to be a player, but in the public eye, they don't know you.
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And Reagan Battalion posts it, and now you're saying you're being canceled.
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So I'm being blacklisted from everything in the conservative movement, from CPAC, from Turning Point.
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This is when my name is getting the scarlet letter.
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I'm officially being kind of kicked out because they're saying, you know, none of these people liked me, and they were all attacking me on Twitter constantly.
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But this was the moment when they said, we got them, because this is how this worked back then.
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And now, obviously, everything goes on Twitter, and everybody's controversial.
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But back then, you had a clip like that, which was perceived as legitimately racist or anti-Semitic, and you're kind of done for it.
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Have you yet walked up to Ben with his kid crossing the streets with his family or not yet?
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So that happens if you went from 10 to 20 when she said, I'm blocking you and a couple of the people at Daily Wire did.
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Then you go to 20 to 50 when you find out about the media matters and the messages being sent out to other places to censor you, claims.
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But you know the other guy at RSPN called you saying, this girl keeps calling me, telling me what you said to cancel you the last two weeks.
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Then this happens here with Leadership Institute.
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Then the Amy Faulkner situation video going to Reagan Battalion.
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If it goes 10 to 20, 20 to 50, where are you going?
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Okay, so now it's like this is when you're born.
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So you're still 18, and this is what's happening to you.
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Ben Shapiro quote tweeted that Reagan Battalion video.
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Would you say that me having sex with my dog is the same thing as me having sex with a black man?
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If I was an African American, I would be very annoyed, upset, frustrated, angry with you, and somebody who could say, that is racist.
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And the average person, and I'm just talking to you, I'm trying to be really hearing you out.
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It's going to be a very easy interview as we're going through.
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Three-second clip, and you can't even see 80% of the screen.
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Now, you and I both know, the way that we talk on a show like this...
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Now, that's a 3 a.m. conversation with 18-year-olds.
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I think that we're all talking about, we're all political people.
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Because I'm not one that condones that behavior.
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I've told my kids, I swear to God, if I ever had a conversation with my boys last week, I said,
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if I ever hear you use the N-word, I swear to God, you're not going to like what I do to you.
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My kids were going to a school, one of the best schools in Florida that has the highest SAT scores
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The owner of that school's son says the N-word, who's a white guy, says the N-word.
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The father who owns the school, the board decides to kick his own son out of his school.
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And one of my kids just went to Yale for three weeks for some summer camp that somebody else was holding in Yale.
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But he goes and comes back slightly different language.
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I can't judge you because during my time, Instagram didn't exist.
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And let me tell you, there's a lot of stuff we did at nightclubs and Army and videos we're on.
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The way we speak at 2 o'clock in the morning, maybe not at this level.
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So at a young age, you have to be aware you're a very smart guy.
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You have to be aware that that kind of stuff gets caught.
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But two, you have a higher risk you're going through because you're part of the social media family, not social media family, social media generation that we didn't go through at 46.
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The lesson is that this sort of thing, this is how political control is maintained.
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Which is to say that we have a culture where you don't even have to do anything wrong if you say anything wrong ever in public, in private.
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Even if it's not inherently wrong, if it sounds wrong, someone might be secretly recording and use it to make you look bad and then destroy your career or your reputation.
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Like, let's keep in mind, take Shapiro, for example.
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And this is something I pointed out when this happened.
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When Shapiro was 18 or 19 years old, he wrote an article on Town Hall, which said that population transfer is not a dirty word.
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In other words, meaning we need to take all of the Palestinians and kick them out of Israel.
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He's advocating for ethnic cleansing on his Town Hall blog.
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Now, you could say whatever you want about that.
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So, is he saying moving them from there to a different place?
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All right, so raise your hand if you have the Ben Shapiro, August 1st of 2003, which is 22 years ago.
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Raise your hand if you have a shock, that breakdown of a so-called Middle East roadmap.
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If you are raising your hand, give yourself a nice heart slap across the chops.
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Maybe that will make you wake up from your reverie of self-education.
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Bulldozing house of homicide bombers is useless.
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Instituting ongoing curfew users, roadblocks, touch fences, many negotiations.
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Some have rightly suggested that Israel be allowed to decapitate the terrorist leadership of Palestinian Authority.
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Okay, so rightly, meaning they're in the right to suggest that Israel should be allowed to decapitate.
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I mean, killing is the easiest way to put it, but decapitate, doesn't that mean to a...
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But if you scroll down, the basis of the article is, when he says transfer, he's saying population transfer.
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In other words, saying this should not be stigmatized.
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That's the title of the article is, transfer is not a dirty word.
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If you read the whole article, that's the whole point of it.
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If you believe that Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer
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the Palestinian and the Israel Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza, and Israel proper.
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It's an ugly solution, but it's the only solution, and it's far less ugly than the prospect of bloody
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So, okay, can you go to ChadGBT and type in, what does, give me the word, what does the
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He says, remove the Palestinian-era population from Judea, Samaria, Gaza.
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He's saying to displace them, to take them and deport them somewhere else.
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Okay, and so to you, would you define that as ethnic cleansing?
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But it's not ethnic cleansing, like just wipe them off the face of the earth.
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But here's the point I'm trying to make, is that is an extremely controversial statement.
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I mean, could you imagine if someone said, whites and blacks can never live together in
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We've got to take all the black people and send them back to Africa.
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It's racist to say, Arabs can't live in Israel.
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He wrote that under his name on a blog, but he never got canceled for saying that.
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But I got secretly recorded when I was 18 in a private conversation, and people say, and
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he himself quote tweets and says, this is concerning, to amplify it to everybody in the conservative
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movement, that's what I say, it is selectively enforced.
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Yeah, but if he would have written this, the other way around, let's say he's not a Jew, and
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he writes it about getting rid of Israel or making a comment about Jews, that would be
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the equivalent of saying having sex with a dog is the same as degenerate, the way you
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And the reason why I say that is because in 03, who's the president in 03?
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So in 03, how pro-Israel were we in 03 in America?
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So this is a probably a 80% agreed message in 2003.
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So I'm just trying to time the temperature of when it was written.
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Like if he wrote this today, I am sure it's not going to be 80% support that he's going
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Please, after what happened with that school situation.
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And it was in that moment I defended myself very strongly because they tried to use this
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And by they, I'm talking about Ben Shapiro, Cassie Dillon, Cabot Phillips.
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And, you know, of course, they're expecting you to go out and apologize.
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They're expecting you to go out and say, I'm sorry.
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I'm not sorry because this is a political attack.
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You know, because you said the comment is racist.
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And would I phrase it that way if I was saying it in an official public capacity?
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But we tend not to do those things when we think we're in private, in confidence.
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You kind of understand that there's some discretion there.
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And that's not to say that I'm, you know, thought I could get away with it.
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But we don't speak in a lawyerly way when we're among friends.
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How much of it are you saying that in that moment because you're trying to be a shock jock and you're
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A girl takes her phone out, starts secretly recording, and says, is having sex with a
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Nick, I'm talking to you in a way as if you're my nephew or my son.
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I'm just talking to you as I'm new to this game.
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I'm a business guy, so I haven't been, when I hear the histories, I don't know everyone's
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We don't know the history of everybody, but we're willing to learn.
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The way I see it, Nick, is one of my kids is very political, very political, more than
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So he's always, you know, yesterday he's at the Charlie's Memorial, and this was one of
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the most difficult days of his life, witnessing Charlie passed away.
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This is a very strong kid, 30 minutes on my shoulders going because of what happened
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He's sitting right there at the event, listening to everything for five hours, and he's loving
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The way I look at you and the way I look at Charlie is one of my kids is probably going
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to pursue this route, and he's going to go into politics.
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And I think you have an opportunity to mentor them to learn from the mistakes you made.
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Because whether you know it or not, you've got a lot of kids that follow you, okay?
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There's more 13-year-olds following you than they're following me.
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Just like you were following maybe somebody and looking up at them.
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I think you've got to be careful, but I also think it comes with the territory.
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You know, like when I was growing up, I was hanging out with gangsters in LA, and I remember
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one day I'm in Vegas, 2, 3 o'clock in the morning, I'm in the street with a 15-year-old
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kid that's driving a car, and he's got a gun that I don't know he's got a gun.
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Guys pull up here to our left, handful of African-American guys, where are you from, homie?
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We're out there running in the streets of Vegas.
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You've got to be careful who you get in the car with.
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That couldn't have been the last day of my life.
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I go upstairs, my dad sees me, my heart's like shaking.
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I don't know if so much of that is the risk today.
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That comes with certain backlash and responsibility, but I also think, and this is going to give
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me some trouble, I also think we should be forgiving.
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I also think we should be forgiving for Ben writing that, as well as you saying it.
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I also think it needs to be like, listen, yeah, I mean, maybe he said this.
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I've seen some stuff with mom and some of the stuff she said, and maybe it's the influence
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I don't, I don't see that, but we also have to be a little bit forgiving because if we
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don't, and we stoke it more, you're going to get worse and worse and worse, right?
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The next person is going to want to get even more and more radical.
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Well, but just real, I just want to say one thing, if I can't, just real, because I hear
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you and I agree with you and, and I try to tell my followers now, I shake my head when
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my followers are trying to be edgier, edgelording, trolling, whatever.
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And in politics, you do got to be careful what you say, because you're right.
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The only reason I say that is to kind of paint a picture from my entire 18th year on earth.
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It's not like I was out here being problematic, being hateful, being a monster.
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It's that a decision was made that I had the wrong views.
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And because I had the wrong views, there was a basically ceaseless political attack, which
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is, you know, I make a tweet about the double standard on Israel and Shapiro's amplifying
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that I have a show and someone's calling my boss saying, get this guy fired.
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Maybe they're collaborating with the left to get me fired up to and including strangers
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that I don't even really know are secretly recording me, setting me up.
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And they said, we're going to use in a careless remark to take the guy out.
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So, you know, people see here's a guy that said a bad thing.
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I'm just explaining that's the side that a lot of people don't see.
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And that's why I'm having these questions with you.
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And by the way, I wish this podcast existed because I don't know if there's one where
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someone's asking you for people to know, how did you become the way you became?
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That's why I wanted to take this approach with you.
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