Valuetainment - ＂Population Transfer Of Palestinians＂ - Nick Fuentes ALLEGES Ben Shapiro Called For Ethnic Cleansing

00:00:00.000 So it's interesting that you're getting under so many people's skin, even though you're not yet that influential.

00:00:07.840 You may be amongst your circle because people probably know you're going to be somebody, you're going to be a player, but in the public eye, they don't know you.

00:00:13.760 So they're trying to defame you early on.

00:00:15.640 Is that a pretty good description?

00:00:17.420 Yeah, they were trying to throttle me.

00:00:18.460 Okay, so that happens.

00:00:20.760 Amy Faulkner sends this to Cassie.

00:00:24.940 Cassie then sends it to Reagan Battalion.

00:00:27.520 And Reagan Battalion posts it, and now you're saying you're being canceled.

00:00:30.280 Define canceled.

00:00:31.400 So I'm being blacklisted from everything in the conservative movement, from CPAC, from Turning Point.

00:00:38.880 This is when my name is getting the scarlet letter.

00:00:42.780 I'm officially being kind of kicked out because they're saying, you know, none of these people liked me, and they were all attacking me on Twitter constantly.

00:00:50.620 But this was the moment when they said, we got them, because this is how this worked back then.

00:00:54.840 And now, obviously, everything goes on Twitter, and everybody's controversial.

00:00:58.160 But back then, you had a clip like that, which was perceived as legitimately racist or anti-Semitic, and you're kind of done for it.

00:01:05.760 And that's what they did to me.

00:01:08.060 Have you yet – I'm sorry to interrupt you.

00:01:10.800 Have you yet walked up to Ben with his kid crossing the streets with his family or not yet?

00:01:15.240 No, that was years later.

00:01:16.000 That was years later.

00:01:16.900 Okay, so this is good.

00:01:17.880 Let's keep going with the sequencing.

00:01:19.100 So that happens if you went from 10 to 20 when she said, I'm blocking you and a couple of the people at Daily Wire did.

00:01:28.020 Then you go to 20 to 50 when you find out about the media matters and the messages being sent out to other places to censor you, claims.

00:01:35.120 But you know the other guy at RSPN called you saying, this girl keeps calling me, telling me what you said to cancel you the last two weeks.

00:01:39.680 That you know for a fact.

00:01:41.200 Then this happens here with Leadership Institute.

00:01:43.680 Then the Amy Faulkner situation video going to Reagan Battalion.

00:01:47.680 Where do you go from here?

00:01:48.780 If it goes 10 to 20, 20 to 50, where are you going?

00:01:50.700 No, I'm 50 to 80.

00:01:51.820 Okay, so now it's like this is when you're born.

00:01:54.120 And how old are you at this time?

00:01:55.820 Just about to turn 19.

00:01:57.900 So you're still 18, and this is what's happening to you.

00:02:02.000 Got it.

00:02:02.440 So what do you do next?

00:02:03.980 So I have to defend myself.

00:02:06.420 This video is going viral.

00:02:08.340 And Ben Shapiro retweeted it, by the way.

00:02:11.180 Ben Shapiro quote tweeted that Reagan Battalion video.

00:02:13.820 100%?

00:02:14.260 Are you positive?

00:02:15.300 100%.

00:02:15.700 And what did he say?

00:02:16.780 This is very concerning.

00:02:18.780 Is that the video, Rob?

00:02:19.980 Yes, sir.

00:02:20.440 Can I see it, please?

00:02:22.620 Her in your daily existence by Jews. 0.92

00:02:24.640 I told you yes.

00:02:25.780 Absolutely.

00:02:27.340 You laugh at it like...

00:02:29.820 How so?

00:02:30.800 Can you...

00:02:31.340 What the... 1.00

00:02:31.840 Would you say that me having sex with my dog is the same thing as me having sex with a black man? 1.00

00:02:36.160 No. 1.00

00:02:37.140 But they're both... 0.95

00:02:37.960 They would both be degenerate. 0.91

00:02:39.200 Oh! 0.72

00:02:40.560 This...

00:02:41.160 Her... 1.00

00:02:41.560 Well, that's a little bit, you know...

00:02:45.280 That's a little bit harsh.

00:02:48.000 Well...

00:02:48.440 Could be seen as harsh.

00:02:49.380 Could be seen as disrespectful.

00:02:50.480 If I was an African American, I would be very annoyed, upset, frustrated, angry with you, and somebody who could say, that is racist.

00:03:06.740 And the average person, and I'm just talking to you, I'm trying to be really hearing you out.

00:03:11.400 I don't have any gotcha stuff for you here.

00:03:13.540 It's going to be a very easy interview as we're going through.

00:03:17.440 That's kind of racist.

00:03:19.180 I agree.

00:03:19.740 Okay.

00:03:20.260 But, let's remember the context.

00:03:24.100 First of all, you saw that.

00:03:26.080 That's a three-second clip.

00:03:28.140 Mm-hmm.

00:03:28.960 Three-second clip, and you can't even see 80% of the screen.

00:03:33.360 For sure.

00:03:34.020 Because it's being hidden.

00:03:35.120 Now, you and I both know, the way that we talk on a show like this...

00:03:39.800 Right.

00:03:40.140 ...is very, you know, it's like anything.

00:03:42.340 You've got to know your audience.

00:03:44.260 Now, that's a 3 a.m. conversation with 18-year-olds.

00:03:48.120 I think that we're all talking about, we're all political people.

00:03:51.180 By the way, I'm also with you there, okay?

00:03:56.440 Because I'm not one that condones that behavior.

00:04:00.380 I've told my kids, I swear to God, if I ever had a conversation with my boys last week, I said,

00:04:05.540 if I ever hear you use the N-word, I swear to God, you're not going to like what I do to you.

00:04:11.840 Okay?

00:04:12.080 They were going to a school.

00:04:13.620 My kids were going to a school, one of the best schools in Florida that has the highest SAT scores

00:04:18.300 and a highest focus on math.

00:04:19.980 The owner of that school's son says the N-word, who's a white guy, says the N-word.

00:04:25.540 The father who owns the school, the board decides to kick his own son out of his school.

00:04:30.420 Very weird situation that happens.

00:04:31.840 So we're having this kind of a conversation.

00:04:33.680 And one of my kids just went to Yale for three weeks for some summer camp that somebody else was holding in Yale.

00:04:38.800 But he goes and comes back slightly different language.

00:04:42.060 You're kind of hearing what's going on, right?

00:04:43.960 And I'm 46.

00:04:47.080 I can't judge you because during my time, Instagram didn't exist.

00:04:51.840 Snapchat didn't exist.

00:04:54.020 YouTube didn't exist.

00:04:55.500 Phone cameras didn't exist.

00:04:56.680 And let me tell you, there's a lot of stuff we did at nightclubs and Army and videos we're on.

00:05:02.780 The way we speak at 2 o'clock in the morning, maybe not at this level.

00:05:06.080 I've never said anything like this.

00:05:07.500 But I understand that it's riskier.

00:05:09.580 So at a young age, you have to be aware you're a very smart guy.

00:05:13.380 You have to be aware that that kind of stuff gets caught.

00:05:16.600 It's going to make it to public.

00:05:17.480 So one, the responsibility is on you.

00:05:19.940 But two, you have a higher risk you're going through because you're part of the social media family, not social media family, social media generation that we didn't go through at 46.

00:05:29.680 Well, and I learned that lesson the hard way.

00:05:32.100 But what is the lesson?

00:05:33.280 The lesson is that this sort of thing, this is how political control is maintained.

00:05:40.200 Which is to say that we have a culture where you don't even have to do anything wrong if you say anything wrong ever in public, in private.

00:05:49.220 Even if it's not inherently wrong, if it sounds wrong, someone might be secretly recording and use it to make you look bad and then destroy your career or your reputation.

00:06:00.480 And this is enforced selectively.

00:06:03.040 Like, let's keep in mind, take Shapiro, for example.

00:06:05.680 And this is something I pointed out when this happened.

00:06:07.300 When Shapiro was 18 or 19 years old, he wrote an article on Town Hall, which said that population transfer is not a dirty word. 0.63

00:06:15.640 In other words, meaning we need to take all of the Palestinians and kick them out of Israel. 1.00

00:06:19.900 He's advocating for ethnic cleansing on his Town Hall blog. 0.98

00:06:24.580 Now, you could say whatever you want about that.

00:06:26.080 Population transfer?

00:06:26.840 Yeah, transfer is not a dirty word.

00:06:28.180 Does that mean ethnic cleansing?

00:06:29.880 That's what the article defends, yes.

00:06:31.780 Can you pull it up?

00:06:32.820 I'm curious because I want to be fair.

00:06:34.640 So, is he saying moving them from there to a different place?

00:06:40.980 Yes.

00:06:41.480 Like, you can go to...

00:06:43.880 All right, so raise your hand if you have the Ben Shapiro, August 1st of 2003, which is 22 years ago.

00:06:49.460 Raise your hand if you have a shock, that breakdown of a so-called Middle East roadmap.

00:06:51.960 If you are raising your hand, give yourself a nice heart slap across the chops.

00:06:55.640 Maybe that will make you wake up from your reverie of self-education.

00:07:03.060 The roadmap was doomed from the start.

00:07:04.900 The Arab empty... 1.00

00:07:06.460 Rob, I can't see it.

00:07:07.980 ...and many of Jews and the state is alone.

00:07:10.200 No peace.

00:07:10.680 The time for half-measured has passed. 0.98

00:07:13.820 Bulldozing house of homicide bombers is useless.

00:07:16.100 Instituting ongoing curfew users, roadblocks, touch fences, many negotiations. 0.89

00:07:19.920 Some have rightly suggested that Israel be allowed to decapitate the terrorist leadership of Palestinian Authority. 0.60

00:07:33.600 Okay, so rightly, meaning they're in the right to suggest that Israel should be allowed to decapitate. 0.99

00:07:41.820 Decapitate is what? 0.51

00:07:42.860 I mean, killing is the easiest way to put it, but decapitate, doesn't that mean to a...

00:07:48.100 What is the actual definition of decapitate? 0.93

00:07:50.320 They mean kill the leadership. 0.99

00:07:51.380 Kill the leadership.

00:07:52.120 But if you scroll down, the basis of the article is, when he says transfer, he's saying population transfer.

00:07:58.460 In other words, saying this should not be stigmatized.

00:08:01.160 Where do you see population transfer?

00:08:02.480 That's the title of the article is, transfer is not a dirty word.

00:08:05.180 If you read the whole article, that's the whole point of it.

00:08:06.900 I want to read the sentence, Rob.

00:08:08.180 Go lower.

00:08:08.700 Here's the bottom line.

00:08:14.600 If you believe that Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer 1.00

00:08:17.460 the Palestinian and the Israel Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza, and Israel proper.

00:08:24.520 It's an ugly solution, but it's the only solution, and it's far less ugly than the prospect of bloody

00:08:29.340 conflict ad infinitum.

00:08:31.720 So, okay, can you go to ChadGBT and type in, what does, give me the word, what does the

00:08:41.400 right to transfer, what was the word?

00:08:43.160 That's what the article says.

00:08:44.620 He says, remove the Palestinian-era population from Judea, Samaria, Gaza. 1.00

00:08:50.180 How do you interpret what he's saying here? 0.99

00:08:51.840 You're thinking he's saying to kill them? 0.99

00:08:53.840 He's saying to displace them, to take them and deport them somewhere else. 0.99

00:08:58.060 To deport them somewhere else. 0.66

00:08:59.200 Okay, and so to you, would you define that as ethnic cleansing?

00:09:06.800 By definition, yes.

00:09:08.020 But it's not ethnic cleansing, like just wipe them off the face of the earth. 0.70

00:09:11.280 It's not genocide.

00:09:12.000 It's not genocide.

00:09:12.720 By definition, not ethnic cleansing.

00:09:14.000 Okay, got it.

00:09:14.620 But here's the point I'm trying to make, is that is an extremely controversial statement.

00:09:20.520 I mean, could you imagine if someone said, whites and blacks can never live together in

00:09:24.300 America? 0.99

00:09:25.240 It's an ugly solution. 1.00

00:09:26.660 We've got to take all the black people and send them back to Africa. 1.00

00:09:28.860 Right. 1.00

00:09:29.420 That's racist.

00:09:30.260 Right. 0.91

00:09:30.620 It's racist to say, Arabs can't live in Israel. 1.00

00:09:32.740 We should remove them all. 0.97

00:09:34.340 He wrote that under his name on a blog, but he never got canceled for saying that.

00:09:39.760 But I got secretly recorded when I was 18 in a private conversation, and people say, and

00:09:46.020 he himself quote tweets and says, this is concerning, to amplify it to everybody in the conservative

00:09:51.400 movement, that's what I say, it is selectively enforced.

00:09:55.320 Yeah, but if he would have written this, the other way around, let's say he's not a Jew, and 0.71

00:10:03.160 he writes it about getting rid of Israel or making a comment about Jews, that would be 1.00

00:10:10.400 the equivalent of saying having sex with a dog is the same as degenerate, the way you 1.00

00:10:17.340 put it down. 0.99

00:10:18.080 To me, that would be the equivalent, not this.

00:10:20.160 And the reason why I say that is because in 03, who's the president in 03?

00:10:24.340 It's not Obama.

00:10:24.920 It's a Clinton.

00:10:25.280 It's a Bush. 0.61

00:10:25.960 It's Bush.

00:10:26.240 Okay.

00:10:26.360 So in 03, how pro-Israel were we in 03 in America?

00:10:30.380 Very pro-Israel.

00:10:30.820 Okay.

00:10:31.140 So this is a probably a 80% agreed message in 2003.

00:10:37.920 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:38.580 Yeah.

00:10:38.740 So I'm just trying to time the temperature of when it was written.

00:10:43.940 Like if he wrote this today, I am sure it's not going to be 80% support that he's going

00:10:49.560 to get.

00:10:50.220 So 03, climate's different.

00:10:51.840 Fair.

00:10:52.660 Continue.

00:10:53.200 Please, after what happened with that school situation.

00:10:55.380 Sure.

00:10:55.540 So I'm at this job training.

00:10:58.260 They leaked this out to Reagan Battalion.

00:10:59.960 This goes everywhere.

00:11:00.980 And it was in that moment I defended myself very strongly because they tried to use this

00:11:05.420 clip.

00:11:05.740 And by they, I'm talking about Ben Shapiro, Cassie Dillon, Cabot Phillips.

00:11:10.040 They think they've got it.

00:11:11.800 And now I'm canceled from the movement.

00:11:14.040 So I took that.

00:11:15.640 And, you know, of course, they're expecting you to go out and apologize.

00:11:18.280 They're expecting you to go out and say, I'm sorry.

00:11:20.600 I shouldn't have said that.

00:11:21.880 But I said, you know what?

00:11:23.040 I'm not sorry because this is a political attack.

00:11:26.540 This is not some kind of good faith.

00:11:28.880 You know, because you said the comment is racist.

00:11:30.680 And would I phrase it that way if I was saying it in an official public capacity?

00:11:35.200 No.

00:11:35.640 But we tend not to do those things when we think we're in private, in confidence.

00:11:40.260 You kind of understand that there's some discretion there.

00:11:42.940 And that's not to say that I'm, you know, thought I could get away with it.

00:11:46.580 But we don't speak in a lawyerly way when we're among friends.

00:11:49.700 Do you believe that?

00:11:50.540 You don't believe that, though?

00:11:52.020 What?

00:11:52.380 That it's degenerate?

00:11:53.260 Yeah.

00:11:53.980 I wouldn't say it's immoral.

00:11:55.320 I don't know that I would say degenerate.

00:11:56.800 But I would say it's contrary to my values.

00:11:58.440 How much of it are you saying that in that moment because you're trying to be a shock jock and you're

00:12:02.300 trying to get attention?

00:12:03.100 I wasn't trying to be shock jock.

00:12:04.960 Think about the question that was posed.

00:12:07.520 Let's just back.

00:12:08.140 I want to know what you think about this.

00:12:10.500 We're in a private conversation. 0.94

00:12:11.800 A girl takes her phone out, starts secretly recording, and says, is having sex with a 1.00

00:12:16.200 black man the same as having sex with a dog? 1.00

00:12:18.200 Did you know she was doing that or no? 1.00

00:12:19.640 I didn't know she was.

00:12:20.220 Oh, okay.

00:12:20.760 Yeah.

00:12:21.360 Well, listen.

00:12:23.600 But what is that to you?

00:12:24.660 That's a setup.

00:12:25.460 Nick, I'm talking to you in a way as if you're my nephew or my son.

00:12:30.100 Not in a, don't take it as I'm this to you.

00:12:33.620 I'm not doing that at all.

00:12:34.400 I'm just talking to you as I'm new to this game.

00:12:37.420 I'm a business guy, so I haven't been, when I hear the histories, I don't know everyone's

00:12:41.280 histories.

00:12:41.700 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:12:43.020 You're right.

00:12:43.480 We don't know the history of everybody, but we're willing to learn.

00:12:46.620 We'll talk to everybody.

00:12:47.660 The way I see it, Nick, is one of my kids is very political, very political, more than

00:12:55.140 I'm political, but he's in the climate.

00:12:56.580 So he's always, you know, yesterday he's at the Charlie's Memorial, and this was one of

00:13:01.480 the most difficult days of his life, witnessing Charlie passed away.

00:13:04.180 I've never seen him.

00:13:04.980 This is a very strong kid, 30 minutes on my shoulders going because of what happened

00:13:08.640 with Charlie.

00:13:09.380 He's sitting right there at the event, listening to everything for five hours, and he's loving

00:13:14.780 it.

00:13:14.940 It's not like, oh my God, I want to go home.

00:13:16.900 I'm tired.

00:13:17.400 Can we eat?

00:13:17.820 Can we do this?

00:13:18.300 He's all in it.

00:13:18.960 The way I look at you and the way I look at Charlie is one of my kids is probably going

00:13:27.120 to pursue this route, and he's going to go into politics.

00:13:31.240 And I think you have an opportunity to mentor them to learn from the mistakes you made.

00:13:41.180 Because whether you know it or not, you've got a lot of kids that follow you, okay?

00:13:46.840 More than they follow me.

00:13:47.880 There's more 13-year-olds following you than they're following me.

00:13:51.020 This is not sarcasm.

00:13:52.220 It's not a shot.

00:13:52.920 It's just the truth, right?

00:13:54.680 Just like you were following maybe somebody and looking up at them.

00:13:58.260 I think you've got to be careful, but I also think it comes with the territory.

00:14:01.420 You know, like when I was growing up, I was hanging out with gangsters in LA, and I remember

00:14:05.520 one day I'm in Vegas, 2, 3 o'clock in the morning, I'm in the street with a 15-year-old

00:14:09.780 kid that's driving a car, and he's got a gun that I don't know he's got a gun.

00:14:13.620 Guys pull up here to our left, handful of African-American guys, where are you from, homie? 1.00

00:14:17.760 Where are you from?

00:14:18.320 He pulls out the gun, we're from New York.

00:14:19.520 Boom, boom.

00:14:20.920 I'm 15 years old.

00:14:22.160 We're out there running in the streets of Vegas.

00:14:23.940 Guess what?

00:14:25.040 You've got to be careful who you get in the car with.

00:14:26.640 That couldn't have been the last day of my life.

00:14:27.920 Somehow I made it.

00:14:28.740 I go upstairs, my dad sees me, my heart's like shaking.

00:14:31.940 That was the risk then.

00:14:32.980 I don't know if so much of that is the risk today.

00:14:35.520 The risk is what you just did.

00:14:37.120 You've got to be careful what you're saying.

00:14:39.080 That comes with certain backlash and responsibility, but I also think, and this is going to give

00:14:46.460 me some trouble, I also think we should be forgiving.

00:14:49.640 I also think we should be forgiving for Ben writing that, as well as you saying it.

00:14:54.300 I also think it needs to be like, listen, yeah, I mean, maybe he said this.

00:14:58.080 I don't know his upbringing.

00:14:59.040 I'm trying to find that mom, dad.

00:15:00.320 I've seen some stuff with mom and some of the stuff she said, and maybe it's the influence

00:15:03.860 from grandma.

00:15:04.420 It's not, it's Mark Levin.

00:15:05.840 It's not like you had a racist person.

00:15:07.800 I don't, I don't see that, but we also have to be a little bit forgiving because if we

00:15:12.220 don't, and we stoke it more, you're going to get worse and worse and worse, right?

00:15:16.000 The next person is going to want to get even more and more radical.

00:15:18.640 Let's go past this one.

00:15:19.720 Well, but just real, I just want to say one thing, if I can't, just real, because I hear

00:15:23.480 you and I agree with you and, and I try to tell my followers now, I shake my head when

00:15:27.780 my followers are trying to be edgier, edgelording, trolling, whatever.

00:15:31.760 I, I totally agree.

00:15:32.940 And I try to be a better role model now.

00:15:34.900 And in politics, you do got to be careful what you say, because you're right.

00:15:37.520 And everybody's always watching.

00:15:38.600 The only reason I say that is to kind of paint a picture from my entire 18th year on earth.

00:15:45.460 I'm an 18 year old college freshman.

00:15:47.980 It's not like I was out here being problematic, being hateful, being a monster.

00:15:53.380 It's that a decision was made that I had the wrong views.

00:15:57.860 And because I had the wrong views, there was a basically ceaseless political attack, which

00:16:03.540 is, you know, I make a tweet about the double standard on Israel and Shapiro's amplifying

00:16:08.560 that I have a show and someone's calling my boss saying, get this guy fired.

00:16:13.980 Maybe they're collaborating with the left to get me fired up to and including strangers

00:16:19.760 that I don't even really know are secretly recording me, setting me up.

00:16:23.540 The point is they made a decision.

00:16:25.360 This guy's got to go.

00:16:26.740 And they said, we're going to use in a careless remark to take the guy out.

00:16:31.640 So, you know, people see here's a guy that said a bad thing.

00:16:35.160 I don't support that.

00:16:35.860 And I, yeah, and I'm not saying you do.

00:16:37.300 I'm just explaining that's the side that a lot of people don't see.

00:16:40.020 They see the bad remark.

00:16:41.340 They don't see the calculation.

00:16:42.840 And that's why I'm having these questions with you.

00:16:44.480 And by the way, I wish this podcast existed because I don't know if there's one where

00:16:49.820 someone's asking you for people to know, how did you become the way you became?

00:16:53.660 That's why I wanted to take this approach with you.

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Valuetainment - September 24, 2025

＂Population Transfer Of Palestinians＂ - Nick Fuentes ALLEGES Ben Shapiro Called For Ethnic Cleansing

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