Valuetainment - April 02, 2026


“Pride Celebrates Unrighteousness” - Jaden Ivey CUT After NBA Pride BACKLASH


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Jaden Ivey has been let go by the Chicago Bulls for his comments about the NBA being pro-gay pride month. What does the Bible say about gay people? What does God have to say about it? And what should the rest of the league do?

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00:00:00.000 Chicago Bulls' Jaden Ivey made a couple comments about his faith
00:00:04.560 and how uncomfortable he was with the NBA being pro-LGBTQ,
00:00:10.480 Pride Month, all this other stuff.
00:00:12.460 And he was actually a superstar.
00:00:13.520 He was a star playing with the Pistons on the backcourt
00:00:16.540 with this other guy who's a, you know,
00:00:19.540 some of the NBA players would say he's a superstar.
00:00:21.600 Who's the backcourt?
00:00:21.940 Kate Cunningham?
00:00:22.720 Kate Cunningham, yeah.
00:00:23.500 But this guy's on the Bulls.
00:00:24.520 No, no, he was on the Pistons in the backcourt,
00:00:26.680 averaged 17 points a game, four assists, four rebounds.
00:00:29.860 This is why I tell you, I follow this stuff closer than you do.
00:00:32.700 Way better than you have, obviously.
00:00:34.220 How many times does this guy think like he's sports fan?
00:00:35.220 This guy's not a player.
00:00:36.500 Anyways, Jaden comes up, says the following when he's driving,
00:00:40.140 and I like the fact that at least he put the phone on his lap
00:00:42.520 because he didn't want to get a ticket.
00:00:43.680 Exactly.
00:00:44.180 Because the camera's angle is focused on his nostrils,
00:00:46.920 but try to focus on the message while he's doing this.
00:00:51.020 He's simply sharing his faith, and the Chicago Bulls let him go
00:00:56.120 simply because of this comment and this video that he made.
00:00:58.620 Go ahead, Rob.
00:00:59.240 that the world can proclaim lgbtq
00:01:04.680 right they have they have they proclaim pride month and the nba they proclaim it 0.98
00:01:17.080 they they show it to the world they say come come uh come join us for pride for pride month
00:01:27.000 To celebrate unrighteousness
00:01:30.740 They proclaim it
00:01:35.080 They proclaim it on the billboards
00:01:42.020 They proclaim it in the streets
00:01:44.600 Unrighteousness
00:01:46.380 So how is it that one can't speak righteousness?
00:01:52.940 How is it one that 0.91
00:01:54.100 But how are they to say that, man, this man is crazy?
00:02:00.680 I'm not the J.I. I used to be.
00:02:03.920 But the old J.I. is dead.
00:02:06.340 I'm alive in Christ.
00:02:08.900 No matter what the basketball setting is, I'm born again.
00:02:15.900 The Holy Spirit.
00:02:18.580 And I've been saved by Jesus Christ.
00:02:20.720 Powerful. Vinny, your thoughts?
00:02:21.960 I absolutely love that.
00:02:22.880 So I think just Christians in the world, I hope you guys are waking up and seeing what's going on. 1.00
00:02:28.580 The NBA can wave whatever flag that they want, but the moment, the moment he talks about Christ and says anything like that,
00:02:36.120 you know what they actually said?
00:02:36.880 They said he's detrimental to the team because he's speaking about Bible.
00:02:41.120 Guys, this isn't about inclusion.
00:02:42.960 It's about submission.
00:02:43.860 My question is this, Tom, detrimental to whom?
00:02:47.560 Is it the locker room, the front office, the sponsors, or the image that they sell every June?
00:02:53.380 Because the issue is that he said Pride Month celebrates unrighteousness,
00:02:57.260 and then they say that instead of hiding behind corporate language, this is who he is, okay?
00:03:01.400 And as Christians out there, and we have another story coming later on about Christians
00:03:05.240 and them getting slaughtered and murdered, this shouldn't surprise anybody.
00:03:08.200 Jesus said what, Tom?
00:03:09.600 The world would hate his followers because it hated him first, okay?
00:03:14.300 So what he's talking about, by the way, do you not see the Holy Spirit in this guy?
00:03:17.640 Did you see that moment, Tom, where he goes, I'm not the same Jaden.
00:03:21.280 That old Jaden is dead.
00:03:22.740 He's talking about repentance, salvation, and the kingdom of God and getting punished for it. 0.95
00:03:26.700 Mind you, he's not saying hate gay people.
00:03:28.820 He's not saying any of that stuff, okay?
00:03:30.820 And I guarantee you his attitude is love them, pray for them, and hope that they can come to Christ.
00:03:36.380 Because guess what? 0.96
00:03:37.020 At the end of the day, you can be gay. 0.95
00:03:38.820 Doesn't mean you have to practice in that lifestyle, okay? 1.00
00:03:42.260 watching porn, giving into just sex
00:03:44.660 and doing all that stuff, you don't have to live that life
00:03:46.640 you're supposed to try to change 0.60
00:03:48.060 I'm not saying don't be gay, but you don't have to
00:03:50.540 practice in it, and I feel for these people 0.59
00:03:52.640 Pat, and I pray for them, I swear to you
00:03:54.000 Are you good?
00:03:56.360 Vinny, what?
00:03:58.360 I'm good, I'm saying you have to pray for them 0.99
00:04:00.120 Vinny, why are you gay? 0.99
00:04:03.260 I'm trying to be serious 0.98
00:04:04.380 and by the way, the word pride in this whole thing
00:04:06.740 matters as well, okay
00:04:08.360 and what does the Bible say, Tom, about pride?
00:04:10.980 Pride comes
00:04:11.760 Before the fall.
00:04:12.420 Before the fall.
00:04:13.040 Okay, it's not just a phrase.
00:04:14.680 It's scripture.
00:04:15.420 So when an entire league turns into a freaking banner that he can't say what he wants to say, 0.98
00:04:20.000 I think it's ridiculous. 0.92
00:04:21.100 And I think the bigger message is it's not about basketball. 0.79
00:04:23.820 It's a reminder that if you stand for Christ and the way his teachings and the scripture public,
00:04:29.800 this is what's going to happen to you.
00:04:31.340 Plain and simple.
00:04:32.160 Adam. 1.00
00:04:32.980 Look, I think this was a stupid decision on his part, and I'll say why. 1.00
00:04:38.900 Do I agree with him on what he said? 1.00
00:04:42.180 I actually do.
00:04:43.600 I don't like that there's this much gay pride everywhere you go. 1.00
00:04:47.540 There's LGBT everywhere you go.
00:04:49.440 I don't like that there's how many different holidays that celebrate the gay uncle day 1.00
00:04:53.400 and the furry day and it was just a trans visibility day.
00:04:57.100 There's no doubt that there's a problem with all this.
00:05:00.400 But pick and choose your spots, my friend.
00:05:02.720 You've been in the league how long?
00:05:03.860 Three years?
00:05:04.340 Four years?
00:05:04.780 Which means what?
00:05:05.520 you're about to come up on your next contract
00:05:08.240 which is potentially your next big deal
00:05:10.420 so if you're the agent, you're the advisor
00:05:12.340 you're the manager, you say hey listen buddy
00:05:13.900 before you start taking a stance
00:05:16.120 on these things that you're not
00:05:18.380 known for
00:05:18.960 this isn't like a reverend
00:05:22.440 or a pastor or a rabbi
00:05:24.320 coming out and saying you're an NBA player
00:05:26.260 buddy, stay in your lane
00:05:27.140 keep your beliefs private and by the way you can have any belief
00:05:30.280 you want but you're about 12
00:05:32.220 months away from signing a 100 million
00:05:34.440 dollar deal now you got zero so this is basically something that even give him more credibility i
00:05:40.220 was just gonna say you know you know i'm not questioning his belief right because you know
00:05:44.020 sometimes people you'll hear testimonies and hey at a bad place in your life you give your life to
00:05:50.820 christ but imagine you're at a great life and you just made it wow got a hundred million dollars
00:05:55.320 coming your way and you do it then well i mean it's your position is a very logical reasonable
00:06:02.740 agent positions to him is like no this is my faith and rob what is this clip that you have
00:06:07.400 here is this uh uh this is him yesterday i believe it was yesterday talking about the
00:06:11.300 backlash that he's received from his family and let's play this and i'm going to come to you go
00:06:15.020 forward those who are who are around me those are my my family members oh he says his own wife is
00:06:19.800 not texting him because because of what i spoke the truth saying i'm losing my mind saying that
00:06:26.580 I'm crazy. These are my own family members. My blood. Man, he's psycho. He's this, he's that.
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00:07:13.260 Okay, Adam,
00:07:14.040 keep going.
00:07:14.960 So, look,
00:07:16.700 my advice is
00:07:18.300 get off the internet, buddy.
00:07:19.540 Because I understand
00:07:20.240 if you just gave your life
00:07:21.160 to Christ,
00:07:21.600 that's amazing.
00:07:22.040 You're excited.
00:07:22.500 You want to share it with the world.
00:07:23.260 That's amazing, of course.
00:07:24.680 But not every news
00:07:25.500 needs to be shared.
00:07:26.120 You just you started off the podcast that basically said, hey, listen, I'm going to call you out publicly.
00:07:31.060 Why? Because you represent me and you represent the brand.
00:07:34.100 And I hear that. But this guy represents more than himself.
00:07:37.620 He represents the Chicago Bulls.
00:07:40.080 He represents the NBA and he represents the overall league.
00:07:43.740 And he's going rogue and basically saying my beliefs, what I believe is more important than my team, my teammates, the league that I stand for and the logo.
00:07:55.700 By the way, I agree with some of the stuff you're saying.
00:07:59.920 But time and place.
00:08:00.840 Because if we're going to talk about representing the brand, representing the league,
00:08:04.360 you're representing the Chicago Bulls. 0.98
00:08:06.500 You just went from the goat of MJ to now your brand is being known as gay bashing. 0.79
00:08:12.020 I'm not saying that he's doing that, but that's what your brand is known for now. 0.95
00:08:15.360 Horrible timing, but with the right best.
00:08:17.120 You know what?
00:08:17.640 You said the news that should never be shared.
00:08:19.360 He is sharing the word of Jesus Christ, and I commend him.
00:08:23.640 And I love that you said that, Pat, in a moment where he has everything, but he is touched by the Holy Spirit.
00:08:30.580 And, dude, I can't give him enough credit for having the gall to do it, Adam, because you know what?
00:08:36.840 If you're in the league and for a month they're representing the gay flag, it's all over the place, you're in on it. 1.00
00:08:43.600 And Pride Month, LGBTQ, they're pushing that T stuff that you always talk about on children. 1.00
00:08:49.920 He doesn't want to be any part of it
00:08:52.220 And if you think about Adam
00:08:53.080 He's not budging to hell with the timing
00:08:55.300 His morals and his principles
00:08:57.040 And you know you said about who's he making happy
00:08:59.460 If Jesus Christ is happy
00:09:01.600 You win
00:09:02.580 I don't care about your wife 1.00
00:09:03.980 I don't care about your family
00:09:05.160 I don't care about his boys going
00:09:06.680 Yo dawg we about to come up
00:09:08.440 No no Adam
00:09:09.100 Let me flip it on you
00:09:09.980 But let me finish
00:09:10.760 Adam and I love you
00:09:12.580 I know you're not a Christian 1.00
00:09:13.540 I'm telling you right now
00:09:15.240 I'm the original
00:09:15.780 The one person
00:09:17.440 The one being
00:09:18.700 that is happy about this guy
00:09:20.600 besides everybody else is the man
00:09:22.700 upstairs. You don't think he's
00:09:24.760 already rich? Do you not think? Hold on.
00:09:27.240 Three years he's been in the league, he doesn't
00:09:28.740 have any money? That's not major money.
00:09:30.420 He's made already $26 million
00:09:32.400 and the Pistons owe him
00:09:34.540 another $10 to $11 million
00:09:36.780 guaranteed for your $40 million
00:09:38.880 contract. He would have had $100 million.
00:09:41.440 You're right about the $100 million.
00:09:42.820 But he's making a different point. But let me make a point to you.
00:09:44.860 What I'm saying is $26 million.
00:09:46.640 I'm telling you right now, Adam,
00:09:48.140 Something changed in my life
00:09:50.120 The moment
00:09:50.820 The moment
00:09:51.540 It wasn't about me
00:09:52.380 And the money
00:09:52.880 And the girls
00:09:53.340 And everything
00:09:53.800 Christ
00:09:54.400 You're on a completely
00:09:55.380 Different path
00:09:56.040 I see it in his face
00:09:57.440 I see me and him
00:09:59.280 And he doesn't care
00:10:00.480 20 million
00:10:01.200 Adam
00:10:01.420 I think he'd be happy
00:10:02.660 With $100,000
00:10:03.740 He's been touched
00:10:05.260 And it's over
00:10:06.200 And hold on
00:10:06.980 Let me ask you
00:10:07.340 And I'll let you go
00:10:07.940 You not think another team
00:10:09.040 Is going to pick him up
00:10:09.700 The NBA's done with him
00:10:10.660 The Bulls waved him
00:10:11.600 I think he's finished
00:10:12.300 I think he's going to be great
00:10:14.780 For the rest of his life
00:10:15.540 Go ahead
00:10:15.860 So you think another team
00:10:17.240 Is going to pick him up
00:10:17.920 I don't see this being –
00:10:19.560 Do you think another team is going to pick him up?
00:10:21.400 No.
00:10:21.860 Let me ask you a question.
00:10:22.800 Is it possible?
00:10:23.180 Let me ask you a question.
00:10:24.700 Do you think Adam Silver likes what he said?
00:10:28.420 Oh, absolutely not.
00:10:29.840 Okay.
00:10:30.300 What happened to the Orlando Magic player, the center?
00:10:33.240 Jonathan Isaacs.
00:10:33.520 Who is he with today?
00:10:34.600 Jonathan, he's still with Orlando Magic.
00:10:36.000 He gets a little bit of blaming time.
00:10:37.340 So guess where he could go?
00:10:39.540 He could go to Orlando Magic.
00:10:40.820 Do you know why?
00:10:41.660 Isaac.
00:10:42.060 Because he can go to Orlando Magic.
00:10:44.860 He can go to Orlando Magic because the Orlando Magic owner –
00:10:47.780 is the DeVos family.
00:10:49.220 The DeVos family, Betsy DeVos, the DeVos family, devout, devout Christian,
00:10:55.680 gift to the biggest foundations.
00:10:57.320 I think he can potentially end up with the magic top.
00:10:59.800 Look, you don't have to like this, and I'm going to say something here
00:11:02.200 people probably aren't going to like.
00:11:06.320 And that is, you know, he has this deep faith that he's sharing.
00:11:10.700 On a Christian standpoint, I find it amazing that he was boldly sharing,
00:11:15.960 and i understand his feeling his faith everything that goes with it totally understand it the reality
00:11:23.120 in america is um and i look back at do you remember um there's a marine named jacoby
00:11:30.040 williamson and he got fired because he said another racist man charlie kirk was popped
00:11:35.800 the reason he got fired is popped made it sound like he was celebrating his death
00:11:41.800 But if he was to say, I found Charlie to be racist, a lot of people are upset by it, who knows what happened here?
00:11:50.060 If he says it like that, he's still employed.
00:11:52.900 However, he was a recruiter, and he said popped, like he was happy about it.
00:11:59.480 And what the NBA, the way it works is free speech has consequences.
00:12:04.420 You're guaranteed free speech under the Constitution, but you're not guaranteed free speech without consequences in certain circumstances.
00:12:11.800 In terms of employment, you're only guaranteed that you're not going to be fired because of your race, religion, nation of origin, or sexual orientation, or other discriminatory factors, who you are.
00:12:22.540 But if you say something that they think your employer thinks is offensive or your employer thinks is against their foundations, you can expect consequences.
00:12:32.900 And the league feels this way.
00:12:36.140 We push Pride Month.
00:12:38.000 We do these things.
00:12:39.100 So you need, if you're going to play here, this is who we are.
00:12:43.300 Don't be critical.
00:12:44.600 Don't disparage the league.
00:12:46.600 And unfortunately, he, in his free speech, the consequences is that he loses his job.
00:12:53.700 I hate that he did.
00:12:55.060 I'm sad that he did.
00:12:56.700 But this is the way free speech works in America.
00:12:59.980 I want to see Adam Silver do the same thing.
00:13:03.620 If there's a Muslim player that says something about Christianity 0.85
00:13:07.360 or Christian players, I want to see Adam Silver.
00:13:10.500 I want to see him do the same thing.
00:13:12.360 But right now, what this guy did, he exercised free speech.
00:13:15.960 I hate the consequence, but this is the consequence
00:13:19.140 because the league says we own the teams, you're an employee of the teams.
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