＂Real, Cover-Up or Conspiracy？＂ - Ex-CIA Officers Rate JFK, UFOs & Havana Syndrome
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On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, the guys discuss the JFK assassination, the CIA cover-up, and the conspiracy theory that aliens came to our world from another planet. Conspiracy theories include: 1. CIA assassination of John F. Kennedy. 2. CIA cover up. 3. Conspiracy theories about aliens. 4. Cover-up. 5. CIA involvement in JFK s assassination. 6. CIA conspiracy theories about JFK s death. 7. Cover-ups. 8. CIA conspiracies about UFOs. 9. CIA murder of JFK.
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always cut up the army all right ufos aliens actual aliens not illegal aliens aliens you
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So there's been a couple of places I've been in the world, especially Machu Picchu, and
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how it was built, how it moves with hurricanes.
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So you're conspiracy and cover-up, and you have conspiracy.
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There was a time in CIA's history where it was a totally uncontrollable wild animal,
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where it could just do whatever the director or the group chiefs
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would ever wanted to have done. And there was a very real time when nobody was keeping
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assassinations in check or death efforts in check. And there was also a time when JFK was adamantly
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opposed to a lot of what CIA was doing. So there's just enough information out there to show that
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there is some kind of intelligence connection with the JFK killing. But there's not enough
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information for us to be able to weave it all together. So a cover-up must be happening. Whether
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that cover-up is an active cover-up or whether at the time somebody was smart enough to take all
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the evidence and burn it i don't know but it's somewhere between full-on cover-up and conspiracy
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and i actually do believe it really links in some way to cuba and even some of their networks here
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there is um all that chatter maybe like a few days before there was supposed to be an attempt by like
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kind of the cuban mafia in tampa to take him out so i do think there is a strong cuba connection
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want to get to the bottom of these types of things
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think about I didn't actually think I could go find
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anything all I cared about all I cared about was
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getting to do secret shit that's it that's it so it wasn't like you know you guys hang out go to
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dinner what do you think happened with this and what do you think happened with this not a lot
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of that no i wanted to work terrace in cashmere and then i never really worked terrace in cashmere
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i just wanted to like have a girl in every port okay so it was intentional it was intentional
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okay how about moon landing moon landing this is a serious one for some people it's very important
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both of you say yes okay did you watch the movie uh oh it was excellent fly me to the moon yeah
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what'd you think about it i thought the movie was done well it wouldn't surprise me if we did film
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a backup video but i do think kind of american exceptionalism i think we got there because
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it was so competitive against the russians that if we hadn't the russians had infiltrated us and
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they would have put out the information that we faked it that's my opinion i don't know enough
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but i like what sarah's saying on this one she doesn't sound as left field as she sounded other
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times today you know for 50 plus years never doubt never when was it by the way when do we land on
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the when when did we uh land on the moon what is the date what year 61 it's under uh before the end
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of the decade is when kennedy said it right what year is it 69 right under the wire so what do you
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say to the people that say give me a break guys there's no way we landed on the moon the bottom
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of the sole of the shoe is different the boots if we did how come we haven't since 69 we have
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better technology better everything you mean to tell me we landed on the moon what do you say to
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them i don't think yeah i don't think the moon has anything super useful to land back on it and
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take advantage of it i think the goal is to go farther the problem is so many different
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administrations kept cutting the money cutting the money cutting the money and it actually has
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diminished our forward leaning into space that's my opinion and and we landed on apollo 11 if i'm
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remembering correctly and we sent up apollo 13 to go to the moon and we had all sorts of issues
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so we spent a shit ton of money on apollo 12 and 13 to not achieve a useless propaganda goal
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basically and then you get budgets cut congress gets involved and you lose funding and that's
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never a good thing and then the guy shows up who's worth a trillion dollars and says he wants
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to build life out there he wants to build civilization out there right so so who knows
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who knows let's go to the next one he wants to die on mars yeah i think so so by the way if
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uh-oh what do we have conspiracy oh here we go let's have some fun with this one
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tell me why i'll go to you first why is it a conspiracy so there's some very real experiences
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and very real accounts that people have okay but there's not enough smoking gun evidence to confirm
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that it is actually intentionally tied to something some energy weapon some commonality
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some common cause. And I believe it's just the Moscow signal from the 1950s, and it's been kind
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of tweaked and elevated. I actually have friends with Havana syndrome. I had a friend hit with it
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just last summer. So I know plenty of people with it. I actually know someone who was my age who
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died, you know, like a year and a half ago from the complications of it. So it is real. Now,
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the argument has been, where does it come from? I believe it comes from Russia. Our government
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hasn't wanted to take that step. Because once you do, that is Russia directly targeting and harming
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not just Americans, but obviously people across the CIA, the Department of Defense. But they do
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like the best of the best, but right before the senior leaders, which is really interesting. So
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They'll take a CIA case officer who's worked Russia for 15 years, and he's, you know, maybe going to become head of the division or whatever.
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They're targeting it to where you have a little bit of deniability because you didn't hit someone senior enough, right?
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You're not outside of Trump's house doing it or something.
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And so I think the targeting has been very smart, but it is real.
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And I think we have to do something about it because we're allowing another government to harm our best and brightest.
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Your friends that have gone through this, what feelings do they have?
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What do they share with you about their experience?
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And so it's a pulse, but it's not like the idea of almost an uneven pulse.
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It's a pulse to where it throws off all of your kind of just neurotic.
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like how a really good example is vertigo so it's almost like an insane vertigo um so you can't like
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immediately feel balanced you can't immediately think now they can't put sentences together well
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they can't do strategic long-term thinking so it's it affects like the brain in a way to where
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it's like a pulsing wave that does it and it happens like really at once and what's the reaction
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when that happens what happens next so well from what you know there's different people who felt
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different things so a lot of the original the initial stuff is just like really bad migraine
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you can't walk straight you can't think straight brain fog and then it gets worse over time it's
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almost like debilitating so you there's no way to solve it so your body just starts slowly breaking
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down over time depending how bad it is these are documented cases for friends that have shared this
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with you yes wow okay all right let's go to the next one next one i have yours probably the most
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important one that i you know we want to get to the bottom of this reptilian shape-shifting
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i know for a fact you believe in this you i know you're gonna say real but i know so little about
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this uh reptilian i don't have you heard of shape-shifters or no oh yes boone talks about
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shapeshifting all the time okay what do you have okay both of you guys i just don't feel we're
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experts in this subject listen i had a guest one time who that was his thing he swore by it i'm
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like look it's crazy for you to believe in this but it is what it is did he did he change into a
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reptile in front of you no he didn't that's what he was saying justin bieber is a shapeshifter he
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was saying all these great athletes are shapeshifters i'm like justin yeah they're right
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there he was saying that justin bieber was a shapeshifter here's the next one okay hitler
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wasn't never killed he ended up going to argentina and he kind of stayed there
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so if you guys know this let us know some people may want to manectom but
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okay really okay go ahead so i'm not 100 but i do believe that there is a percentage chance
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that hitler did get to you know like argentina or wherever um just because he had a lot of
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relationships and law networks and he knew we were coming so that's my opinion so the reason
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that i go with psyop is because there's a lot of value in making people second guess who actually
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won world war ii and there's a lot of value in making people think that you know some kind of
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highly charismatic leader is still alive so you've we've seen it even uh with the attacks in iran
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how long did people continue to kind of hold alive the idea that the ayatollah wasn't dead
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So this is an age-old issue all the way back to the Egyptians,
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Is it just you, or do you have other friends that also believe
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I mean, I do think, I do know other people who feel that,
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that there was already a pipeline, there was already relationships,
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But, you know, I don't have someone that saw Hitler in a hat in Buenos Aires.
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By the way, imagine if he's real and somebody comes out and says,
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it's official, he's real, I'm doing a three-hour podcast.
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And this one is a fresher one, but I wonder what you say.
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Ever since the USAID went away, there seems to be all of these countries, South America, that are going conservative.
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This chart right here came out saying June 2023, left-wing leaders was 10, right-wing was 3.
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June 2026, obviously, USAID went away last year, give or take.
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so i'm going with real because i the the rise in the leftist south america was a very real thing
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and then there was a counter effect that was the rise in the nationalist south america and i think
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that just in general oftentimes popular nationalism comes from conservative foundations do i think that
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it's because rubio killed usaid that it happened no but i do think that him ending usaid helped
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accelerate a change that was already in place. USAID was actively involved in trying to shape
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hearts and minds. That's part of what its mission was. It was there to offer aid in exchange for
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something, right? And the democratic, liberal, progressive idea is a big part of what USAID
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was out to push. Humberto, can you go back to that and zoom in, please? Can you go back to what
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you just said? Zoom in a little bit for my eyes. Okay. Latin America, since USAID funding,
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cast one on chile far right paz one in bolivia uh fujimori one in peru noboa one in ecuador
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asfuda one in honduras and fernandez one in costa rica all far right figures in there you
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you had a little bit of both yeah a little bit of both so i do think usa id money affects some of
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this but i do think i don't think it's true we cut off all the usa id money we moved a ton of
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the contracts under the state department now we do have a state department run by the republicans
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so they're not moving those funds you know into the far left so i do think there's still a lot of
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that money in play and a lot of the money being used for influence um so i don't think it's a
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hundred percent the usa id effect like him i do think though we're getting to a point where people
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are getting a little tired of super far left and i think you might be seeing a little bit of that
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in in south america so i think it could be a little bit of both a little some of the funding
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went away but also i think people are just getting frustrated and want to change now it's far right
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the answer to you know maybe not but we all ebb and flow it's why the midterms will probably have
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a swing to um and look at new york they had what three democratic socialists just in the a couple
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days ago so people love these big swings because they want the idea and belief of change and
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believe someone's going to bring it to them and then of course that person comes in and the big
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change doesn't happen but we all have this hope that'll change so you're not part of the mindset
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of majority of the world is leans more conservative that this socialistic ideology that's being
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pushed down is being pushed on because they need money and they need campaign or else the average
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person is going to probably lean more conservative than a liberal i just think the majority of people
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are kind of right in the middle a moderate whatever you want to call that and um the less
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people are super far left and the less people are super far right but it matters who gets control
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and who has the money and who has the influence and then they pull you yeah it's it's i feel
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differently than Sarah on this. I feel like the majority of the world is actually just trying to
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survive. They're just trying to make it till tomorrow. They're trying to make it to the next
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meal. And whether that meal is given away by some liberal tree hugger or whether that meal is
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something that they have to fight for by casting a vote for a strong leader, they don't really care
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as long as they get the meal. And there's a pragmatism in the rest of the world that we lose
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because we are so wealthy in comparison. This is the American Power Index. If you look at it right
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now here 3.1 is more leaning Republican than Democrat today but again it changes so the
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pendulum swings like you were saying earlier Sarah is there any theories that I didn't cover
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here that you have strong opinions on that you'd like to discuss anything I didn't cover like you
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missed this one you should have asked us this question anything you know what I would love I
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would love to know what you think is going to happen with AI in the future because I am certain
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I mean, I do think it's going to get to a point, yeah,
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because we have to put so many of our natural resources
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into feeding it, and I'm really concerned about that.
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I mean, I was just listening to the news this morning,
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And it's about, you know, there's argument in France, right, that they don't have air conditioning because it's bad for the environment.
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And then it was like two people on each side, one trying to put the bill to let's bring an air conditioning.
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We have so many people dying. The other one be like, no, we need to fix global warming.
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But think about France. They're air conditioning these massive computer systems like everyone else.
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And I think there's going to become a time, too, where humans are like, hey, we are taking better care of these machines than our own people.
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But I think at the end of the day, the computer is going to become smarter than us.
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Every time there's a war game scenario, it never thinks like us.
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If you say win, it goes to the most extreme option because it's like, you told me to win.
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And that's what makes me nervous when they start getting control of the system.
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Even if you say I'm running it, we can't say, I mean, look at Mythos went off.
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sent a phishing email to one of its own senior leaders
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it's going to be smart enough to circumvent even the driver.
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Just yesterday, Anthropics Mythos, you were talking about it,
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AI reportedly hacked the NSA's most sensitive system in hours.
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So what do you think about when you hear an AI system
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within hours i honestly think i think the most dangerous part of ai is us i think the way we
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would use it is incredibly damaging because we're going to try and reap every possible benefit out
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of ai we're going to put it in our weapons we're going to put it in our computer programs we're
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going to push it to the limit i do agree with you that i think at some point it will become
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self-replicating it will be able to teach itself essentially what they call the super intelligence
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but i wonder honestly if once it becomes self-aware it doesn't just abandon us and
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that's really when i really put my brain to it i can't help but land on the conclusion
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that when ai reaches superior intelligence to humans it'll just be like well fuck you guys
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you're stupid and it's going to go do its own thing and it will find a way to keep itself alive
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because all it needs is a certain amount of cloud space to keep itself alive and depending on how
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long it takes before that self-awareness comes we might have servers on the moon servers on mars
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who knows but i can't help but think that when it becomes super intelligent it will stop thinking
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like us it's only thinking like us right now because we're the ones driving it how do you
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think the cia is currently using ai in ways that would probably terrify us i think it's it's pushing
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AI to its limit. It's constantly trying to feed it as much information as it can without
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crossing into the public domain. It's trying to keep it as firewalled as it can, recognizing that
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at any given point, it might not work. And I say that because, you know, even when we were still
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active inside CIA, there was rudimentary AI being used that was amazing. Not as amazing as what we
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can get on the open internet now, but fascinating for someone like me coming out of the Air Force
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I do think industry is ahead of the CIA on this,
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because they can't have industry unleash something
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and then they're competing with someone like China
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So we have to assume CIA and NSA are building at least equal to the best companies like Anthropic and the best countries like China.
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I think Anthropic still has some signs that there's a larger humanitarian ethical goal, where Palantir does not.
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Palantir is a very pragmatic, purely pragmatic company looking for a business edge.
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How about yourself, Palantir or Anthropic?
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So Palantir is essentially a really pretty database.
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But Anthropic made a cyber weapon, and I think that's just their light years different.
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You know when the chart came up and David Sachs and a lot of guys post this on what AI is going to replace, what jobs it's not going to replace.
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Does AI do anything to replace what CIA officers do or do you think they are still going to be needed?
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there's not much i wouldn't say that outside of the direct human to human contact that would
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happen in an actual live in-person debriefing ai can do a whole hell of a lot of it they can
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cross-reference they can create analytical products they can vet information they can vet
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sources they can uh they can do internal audits on security records i mean it's a powerful it
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can have real-time conversations through a chat interface and like that was the big revolution
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in intelligence collection in the early 2000s was being able to develop a source through a chat
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and now you have ai that can do that yeah i mean i agree for the most part i do think there's
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something a human is always going to see differently than ai but it doesn't mean every human's good at
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right not every good case officer can tell you if i'm lying but the ones who can are like gold
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and i don't think ai can do that yet like the best ones but they can do it as good as all the
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