Valuetainment - July 15, 2026


＂Real, Cover-Up or Conspiracy？＂ - Ex-CIA Officers Rate JFK, UFOs & Havana Syndrome


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00:00:31.060 So here's what I'm going to do.
00:00:31.960 I'm going to give each of you these paddles, okay?
00:00:36.420 One of them says real.
00:00:38.520 One of them says PSYOP.
00:00:40.600 One of them says conspiracy.
00:00:42.540 The other one says cover-up.
00:00:43.820 Okay.
00:00:44.260 Okay?
00:00:44.920 And I'm going to give different conspiracies.
00:00:47.420 And you pick and choose.
00:00:48.340 Okay.
00:00:48.760 It's BS.
00:00:49.440 It's PSYOP.
00:00:50.100 It's this.
00:00:50.520 It's that.
00:00:51.100 Okay.
00:00:51.640 Let's have some fun with this one here.
00:00:52.940 Okay.
00:00:53.400 MKUltra.
00:00:55.940 MKUltra.
00:00:57.400 what did you put up let me see mk never worked good by the way people that's why it was canceled
00:01:05.760 both of you are real okay all right documented we'll come back verifiable ci army program people
00:01:15.360 always cut up the army all right ufos aliens actual aliens not illegal aliens aliens you
00:01:21.060 I mean, like living, breathing, living aliens.
00:01:24.600 Let me see.
00:01:25.600 What do you have?
00:01:26.100 Real.
00:01:26.420 Both of you real.
00:01:27.220 Okay.
00:01:27.780 Yeah.
00:01:28.340 And you know that for a fact?
00:01:29.700 No, just statistically, they have to exist.
00:01:32.340 The idea that we're the only intelligent life.
00:01:34.620 For you, is it 100% or it's statistic?
00:01:36.420 For me, it's like a feeling.
00:01:38.080 So there's been a couple of places I've been in the world, especially Machu Picchu, and
00:01:42.480 how it was built, how it moves with hurricanes.
00:01:45.320 They were doing like brain surgery.
00:01:46.960 I was just like
00:01:48.060 there had to have been
00:01:48.940 some being that came down
00:01:50.460 and just taught
00:01:51.280 some things
00:01:51.960 I feel at some time
00:01:53.380 aliens came to our world
00:01:54.680 and I think there's 1.00
00:01:55.280 little things
00:01:56.060 you know around the pyramids
00:01:57.360 you see a few things
00:01:58.120 I do feel there's
00:01:58.800 little pieces of evidence
00:02:00.040 but not because
00:02:01.020 you know for a fact
00:02:01.860 that's just pure
00:02:02.520 you as well
00:02:03.400 I don't know for a fact
00:02:04.040 if I had smoking gun fact
00:02:05.260 I would be so excited
00:02:06.080 aliens if you want to 0.70
00:02:07.340 come abduct me 0.91
00:02:07.920 for like 60 days
00:02:09.020 feel free
00:02:09.740 be careful saying that
00:02:11.160 take about two hours
00:02:12.560 before you do so
00:02:13.420 let's finish the podcast first
00:02:14.820 okay next one
00:02:16.120 I like the real world experience
00:02:16.900 CIA killed John F. Kennedy.
00:02:21.180 Come on, CIA.
00:02:24.700 What do you got?
00:02:27.240 Split decision.
00:02:29.140 So you're conspiracy and cover-up, and you have conspiracy.
00:02:32.880 Okay, let's tackle that one.
00:02:34.620 What do you mean?
00:02:35.100 Tell me more.
00:02:35.580 There was a time in CIA's history where it was a totally uncontrollable wild animal,
00:02:43.040 where it could just do whatever the director or the group chiefs
00:02:46.120 would ever wanted to have done. And there was a very real time when nobody was keeping
00:02:52.960 assassinations in check or death efforts in check. And there was also a time when JFK was adamantly
00:03:00.120 opposed to a lot of what CIA was doing. So there's just enough information out there to show that
00:03:05.120 there is some kind of intelligence connection with the JFK killing. But there's not enough
00:03:10.480 information for us to be able to weave it all together. So a cover-up must be happening. Whether
00:03:14.780 that cover-up is an active cover-up or whether at the time somebody was smart enough to take all
00:03:18.920 the evidence and burn it i don't know but it's somewhere between full-on cover-up and conspiracy
00:03:25.280 and i actually do believe it really links in some way to cuba and even some of their networks here
00:03:32.540 there is um all that chatter maybe like a few days before there was supposed to be an attempt by like
00:03:37.760 kind of the cuban mafia in tampa to take him out so i do think there is a strong cuba connection
00:03:43.320 now you know as Andrew says
00:03:45.880 every once in a while you get
00:03:47.900 that rogue CIA officer
00:03:49.820 kind of working both sides so we can't say
00:03:51.840 that's not 100% there but I just
00:03:53.840 don't feel like the director
00:03:56.060 of CIA directed it
00:03:58.040 that's my opinion okay by the way when you
00:03:59.860 become a CIA agent are you guys
00:04:01.840 also becoming one because you also
00:04:03.780 want to get to the bottom of these types of things
00:04:05.820 or not really I honestly didn't
00:04:07.900 think about I didn't actually think I could go find
00:04:09.960 anything all I cared about all I cared about was
00:04:11.880 getting to do secret shit that's it that's it so it wasn't like you know you guys hang out go to 0.86
00:04:16.820 dinner what do you think happened with this and what do you think happened with this not a lot 0.97
00:04:19.580 of that no i wanted to work terrace in cashmere and then i never really worked terrace in cashmere
00:04:24.460 i just wanted to like have a girl in every port okay so it was intentional it was intentional
00:04:31.860 okay how about moon landing moon landing this is a serious one for some people it's very important
00:04:38.880 both of you say yes okay did you watch the movie uh oh it was excellent fly me to the moon yeah
00:04:47.060 what'd you think about it i thought the movie was done well it wouldn't surprise me if we did film
00:04:51.980 a backup video but i do think kind of american exceptionalism i think we got there because
00:04:56.820 it was so competitive against the russians that if we hadn't the russians had infiltrated us and
00:05:03.820 they would have put out the information that we faked it that's my opinion i don't know enough
00:05:08.860 but i like what sarah's saying on this one she doesn't sound as left field as she sounded other
00:05:14.360 times today you know for 50 plus years never doubt never when was it by the way when do we land on
00:05:19.700 the when when did we uh land on the moon what is the date what year 61 it's under uh before the end
00:05:26.440 of the decade is when kennedy said it right what year is it 69 right under the wire so what do you
00:05:31.560 say to the people that say give me a break guys there's no way we landed on the moon the bottom
00:05:36.000 of the sole of the shoe is different the boots if we did how come we haven't since 69 we have
00:05:41.100 better technology better everything you mean to tell me we landed on the moon what do you say to
00:05:44.580 them i don't think yeah i don't think the moon has anything super useful to land back on it and
00:05:51.100 take advantage of it i think the goal is to go farther the problem is so many different
00:05:56.260 administrations kept cutting the money cutting the money cutting the money and it actually has
00:06:00.580 diminished our forward leaning into space that's my opinion and and we landed on apollo 11 if i'm
00:06:08.680 remembering correctly and we sent up apollo 13 to go to the moon and we had all sorts of issues
00:06:12.960 so we spent a shit ton of money on apollo 12 and 13 to not achieve a useless propaganda goal
00:06:20.980 basically and then you get budgets cut congress gets involved and you lose funding and that's
00:06:25.740 never a good thing and then the guy shows up who's worth a trillion dollars and says he wants
00:06:30.220 to build life out there he wants to build civilization out there right so so who knows
00:06:35.960 who knows let's go to the next one he wants to die on mars yeah i think so so by the way if
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00:07:25.380 uh-oh what do we have conspiracy oh here we go let's have some fun with this one
00:07:31.020 tell me why i'll go to you first why is it a conspiracy so there's some very real experiences
00:07:37.560 and very real accounts that people have okay but there's not enough smoking gun evidence to confirm
00:07:43.060 that it is actually intentionally tied to something some energy weapon some commonality
00:07:50.840 some common cause. And I believe it's just the Moscow signal from the 1950s, and it's been kind
00:07:59.300 of tweaked and elevated. I actually have friends with Havana syndrome. I had a friend hit with it 0.91
00:08:04.200 just last summer. So I know plenty of people with it. I actually know someone who was my age who
00:08:10.200 died, you know, like a year and a half ago from the complications of it. So it is real. Now,
00:08:16.020 the argument has been, where does it come from? I believe it comes from Russia. Our government
00:08:21.320 hasn't wanted to take that step. Because once you do, that is Russia directly targeting and harming
00:08:29.040 not just Americans, but obviously people across the CIA, the Department of Defense. But they do
00:08:35.380 like the best of the best, but right before the senior leaders, which is really interesting. So
00:08:41.560 They'll take a CIA case officer who's worked Russia for 15 years, and he's, you know, maybe going to become head of the division or whatever.
00:08:50.220 And then that's when they target him.
00:08:51.400 So it's very, very smart, too.
00:08:52.800 They're targeting it to where you have a little bit of deniability because you didn't hit someone senior enough, right?
00:08:59.460 You're not outside of Trump's house doing it or something.
00:09:03.420 And so I think the targeting has been very smart, but it is real.
00:09:06.840 And I think we have to do something about it because we're allowing another government to harm our best and brightest.
00:09:13.560 And that should be something we never allow.
00:09:15.340 Your friends that have gone through this, what feelings do they have?
00:09:17.780 What do they share with you about their experience?
00:09:19.420 So usually it's just a sudden pulse.
00:09:22.940 And so it's a pulse, but it's not like the idea of almost an uneven pulse.
00:09:27.440 It's a pulse to where it throws off all of your kind of just neurotic.
00:09:35.080 like how a really good example is vertigo so it's almost like an insane vertigo um so you can't like
00:09:43.020 immediately feel balanced you can't immediately think now they can't put sentences together well
00:09:50.200 they can't do strategic long-term thinking so it's it affects like the brain in a way to where
00:09:57.500 it's like a pulsing wave that does it and it happens like really at once and what's the reaction
00:10:04.860 when that happens what happens next so well from what you know there's different people who felt
00:10:10.180 different things so a lot of the original the initial stuff is just like really bad migraine
00:10:15.840 you can't walk straight you can't think straight brain fog and then it gets worse over time it's
00:10:23.920 almost like debilitating so you there's no way to solve it so your body just starts slowly breaking
00:10:30.340 down over time depending how bad it is these are documented cases for friends that have shared this
00:10:35.220 with you yes wow okay all right let's go to the next one next one i have yours probably the most
00:10:40.680 important one that i you know we want to get to the bottom of this reptilian shape-shifting
00:10:44.460 i know for a fact you believe in this you i know you're gonna say real but i know so little about
00:10:51.140 this uh reptilian i don't have you heard of shape-shifters or no oh yes boone talks about
00:10:58.300 shapeshifting all the time okay what do you have okay both of you guys i just don't feel we're
00:11:03.440 experts in this subject listen i had a guest one time who that was his thing he swore by it i'm
00:11:09.280 like look it's crazy for you to believe in this but it is what it is did he did he change into a
00:11:14.320 reptile in front of you no he didn't that's what he was saying justin bieber is a shapeshifter he
00:11:18.640 was saying all these great athletes are shapeshifters i'm like justin yeah they're right
00:11:23.080 there he was saying that justin bieber was a shapeshifter here's the next one okay hitler
00:11:27.560 wasn't never killed he ended up going to argentina and he kind of stayed there
00:11:30.960 so if you guys know this let us know some people may want to manectom but
00:11:34.880 okay really okay go ahead so i'm not 100 but i do believe that there is a percentage chance
00:11:49.000 that hitler did get to you know like argentina or wherever um just because he had a lot of
00:11:55.200 relationships and law networks and he knew we were coming so that's my opinion so the reason
00:12:01.420 that i go with psyop is because there's a lot of value in making people second guess who actually
00:12:07.380 won world war ii and there's a lot of value in making people think that you know some kind of
00:12:12.840 highly charismatic leader is still alive so you've we've seen it even uh with the attacks in iran
00:12:19.040 how long did people continue to kind of hold alive the idea that the ayatollah wasn't dead
00:12:25.240 So this is an age-old issue all the way back to the Egyptians,
00:12:28.340 that there's power in the myth. 0.79
00:12:30.940 So Hitler had some pretty powerful mythos.
00:12:34.460 Is it just you, or do you have other friends that also believe
00:12:36.980 what you just said about Hitler? 0.94
00:12:39.320 I mean, I do think, I do know other people who feel that, 0.98
00:12:43.300 obviously, so many in his circle went there,
00:12:47.600 that there was already a pipeline, there was already relationships,
00:12:51.180 there's already people moving in that way.
00:12:52.800 So it just, the pattern makes sense.
00:12:55.800 But, you know, I don't have someone that saw Hitler in a hat in Buenos Aires.
00:13:00.660 That would be one hell of a podcast.
00:13:01.760 If anyone has that, send me the picture.
00:13:04.220 Hey, I can make that happen.
00:13:06.780 By the way, imagine if he's real and somebody comes out and says,
00:13:10.040 it's official, he's real, I'm doing a three-hour podcast.
00:13:12.320 Imagine how that podcast would perform.
00:13:13.900 I mean, I think he's dead by now.
00:13:15.420 No, no, for sure.
00:13:16.020 Even if he was living down there.
00:13:17.280 Maybe he is like.
00:13:18.020 An old recording.
00:13:18.740 Yeah, taking care of his health.
00:13:20.140 It would be amazing.
00:13:20.700 Let me do this next one.
00:13:21.840 And this one is a fresher one, but I wonder what you say.
00:13:25.520 Ever since the USAID went away, there seems to be all of these countries, South America, that are going conservative.
00:13:34.500 And I don't know if you've seen this or not.
00:13:35.900 This chart right here came out saying June 2023, left-wing leaders was 10, right-wing was 3.
00:13:42.860 June 2026, obviously, USAID went away last year, give or take.
00:13:47.200 right wing plus four
00:13:49.140 left wing minus four
00:13:51.220 and that money that was being funneled
00:13:53.440 into these places is no longer there
00:13:54.880 do you think that was the reason
00:13:57.260 or do you think no it's just a conspiracy
00:13:59.220 this is a fresher one so I wonder
00:14:05.400 what you say about this one
00:14:07.080 real
00:14:12.340 I'm half and half
00:14:14.780 why don't you go first
00:14:16.120 so i'm going with real because i the the rise in the leftist south america was a very real thing
00:14:24.020 and then there was a counter effect that was the rise in the nationalist south america and i think
00:14:31.900 that just in general oftentimes popular nationalism comes from conservative foundations do i think that
00:14:39.040 it's because rubio killed usaid that it happened no but i do think that him ending usaid helped
00:14:44.740 accelerate a change that was already in place. USAID was actively involved in trying to shape
00:14:51.340 hearts and minds. That's part of what its mission was. It was there to offer aid in exchange for
00:14:56.280 something, right? And the democratic, liberal, progressive idea is a big part of what USAID
00:15:03.860 was out to push. Humberto, can you go back to that and zoom in, please? Can you go back to what
00:15:07.040 you just said? Zoom in a little bit for my eyes. Okay. Latin America, since USAID funding,
00:15:11.820 cast one on chile far right paz one in bolivia uh fujimori one in peru noboa one in ecuador
00:15:19.540 asfuda one in honduras and fernandez one in costa rica all far right figures in there you
00:15:25.220 you had a little bit of both yeah a little bit of both so i do think usa id money affects some of
00:15:30.920 this but i do think i don't think it's true we cut off all the usa id money we moved a ton of
00:15:35.940 the contracts under the state department now we do have a state department run by the republicans
00:15:43.300 so they're not moving those funds you know into the far left so i do think there's still a lot of
00:15:48.980 that money in play and a lot of the money being used for influence um so i don't think it's a
00:15:54.820 hundred percent the usa id effect like him i do think though we're getting to a point where people
00:15:59.700 are getting a little tired of super far left and i think you might be seeing a little bit of that
00:16:07.620 in in south america so i think it could be a little bit of both a little some of the funding
00:16:11.620 went away but also i think people are just getting frustrated and want to change now it's far right
00:16:17.800 the answer to you know maybe not but we all ebb and flow it's why the midterms will probably have
00:16:23.200 a swing to um and look at new york they had what three democratic socialists just in the a couple
00:16:29.920 days ago so people love these big swings because they want the idea and belief of change and
00:16:36.180 believe someone's going to bring it to them and then of course that person comes in and the big
00:16:39.460 change doesn't happen but we all have this hope that'll change so you're not part of the mindset
00:16:44.080 of majority of the world is leans more conservative that this socialistic ideology that's being
00:16:51.040 pushed down is being pushed on because they need money and they need campaign or else the average
00:16:55.920 person is going to probably lean more conservative than a liberal i just think the majority of people
00:17:00.360 are kind of right in the middle a moderate whatever you want to call that and um the less
00:17:06.660 people are super far left and the less people are super far right but it matters who gets control
00:17:12.580 and who has the money and who has the influence and then they pull you yeah it's it's i feel
00:17:17.200 differently than Sarah on this. I feel like the majority of the world is actually just trying to
00:17:21.280 survive. They're just trying to make it till tomorrow. They're trying to make it to the next
00:17:24.640 meal. And whether that meal is given away by some liberal tree hugger or whether that meal is
00:17:30.660 something that they have to fight for by casting a vote for a strong leader, they don't really care
00:17:36.320 as long as they get the meal. And there's a pragmatism in the rest of the world that we lose
00:17:41.080 because we are so wealthy in comparison. This is the American Power Index. If you look at it right
00:17:46.360 now here 3.1 is more leaning Republican than Democrat today but again it changes so the
00:17:51.900 pendulum swings like you were saying earlier Sarah is there any theories that I didn't cover
00:17:56.780 here that you have strong opinions on that you'd like to discuss anything I didn't cover like you
00:18:01.480 missed this one you should have asked us this question anything you know what I would love I
00:18:07.720 would love to know what you think is going to happen with AI in the future because I am certain
00:18:12.040 that we were both working with rudimentary AI
00:18:14.360 when we were at the agency.
00:18:15.600 I mean, I think AI is going to kill us all.
00:18:17.960 I know that's the worst response.
00:18:19.200 You really believe that?
00:18:19.900 I mean, I do think it's going to get to a point, yeah,
00:18:23.960 and it's going so much faster than we realize,
00:18:27.200 and that's what I'm worried about.
00:18:28.280 And then the speed of it is going to divide us
00:18:30.960 because we have to put so many of our natural resources
00:18:34.160 into feeding it, and I'm really concerned about that.
00:18:38.380 I mean, I was just listening to the news this morning,
00:18:40.600 And it's about, you know, there's argument in France, right, that they don't have air conditioning because it's bad for the environment.
00:18:47.780 And then it was like two people on each side, one trying to put the bill to let's bring an air conditioning.
00:18:52.440 We have so many people dying. The other one be like, no, we need to fix global warming.
00:18:55.540 But think about France. They're air conditioning these massive computer systems like everyone else.
00:19:01.080 And I think there's going to become a time, too, where humans are like, hey, we are taking better care of these machines than our own people.
00:19:09.620 And that's also going to cause a divide.
00:19:11.340 But I think at the end of the day, the computer is going to become smarter than us.
00:19:14.420 Every time there's a war game scenario, it never thinks like us.
00:19:18.780 If you say win, it goes to the most extreme option because it's like, you told me to win.
00:19:23.740 I'm going to win.
00:19:24.920 And that's what makes me nervous when they start getting control of the system.
00:19:28.340 Even if you say I'm running it, we can't say, I mean, look at Mythos went off.
00:19:34.440 sent a phishing email to one of its own senior leaders
00:19:38.500 and got in and started doing all these hacks,
00:19:40.740 it's going to be smart enough to circumvent even the driver.
00:19:44.780 And that's what makes me nervous.
00:19:45.600 Well, let me read this to you.
00:19:45.840 Just yesterday, Anthropics Mythos, you were talking about it,
00:19:48.840 AI reportedly hacked the NSA's most sensitive system in hours.
00:19:55.200 In hours.
00:19:56.920 So what do you think about when you hear an AI system
00:20:01.320 hacking into an NSA's most sensitive system
00:20:04.340 within hours i honestly think i think the most dangerous part of ai is us i think the way we
00:20:10.320 would use it is incredibly damaging because we're going to try and reap every possible benefit out
00:20:17.640 of ai we're going to put it in our weapons we're going to put it in our computer programs we're
00:20:20.680 going to push it to the limit i do agree with you that i think at some point it will become
00:20:26.200 self-replicating it will be able to teach itself essentially what they call the super intelligence
00:20:30.720 but i wonder honestly if once it becomes self-aware it doesn't just abandon us and
00:20:37.580 that's really when i really put my brain to it i can't help but land on the conclusion 1.00
00:20:41.640 that when ai reaches superior intelligence to humans it'll just be like well fuck you guys 1.00
00:20:48.960 you're stupid and it's going to go do its own thing and it will find a way to keep itself alive 1.00
00:20:54.360 because all it needs is a certain amount of cloud space to keep itself alive and depending on how 1.00
00:20:58.440 long it takes before that self-awareness comes we might have servers on the moon servers on mars
00:21:03.680 who knows but i can't help but think that when it becomes super intelligent it will stop thinking
00:21:09.540 like us it's only thinking like us right now because we're the ones driving it how do you
00:21:15.380 think the cia is currently using ai in ways that would probably terrify us i think it's it's pushing
00:21:22.560 AI to its limit. It's constantly trying to feed it as much information as it can without
00:21:28.880 crossing into the public domain. It's trying to keep it as firewalled as it can, recognizing that
00:21:33.840 at any given point, it might not work. And I say that because, you know, even when we were still
00:21:38.980 active inside CIA, there was rudimentary AI being used that was amazing. Not as amazing as what we
00:21:44.900 can get on the open internet now, but fascinating for someone like me coming out of the Air Force
00:21:50.380 in February and joining CIA in March?
00:21:53.160 What would you say?
00:21:54.780 I think obviously an intelligence organization
00:21:58.340 has to stay on top of it,
00:21:59.660 so they have to compete with industry.
00:22:03.900 I do think industry is ahead of the CIA on this,
00:22:06.440 but remember, they're competing with industry,
00:22:08.280 have to know how this works
00:22:09.360 because they can't have industry unleash something
00:22:11.660 they can't handle,
00:22:12.540 and then they're competing with someone like China 0.77
00:22:14.620 who they can't have China unleash something
00:22:16.680 they can't handle.
00:22:17.380 So we have to assume CIA and NSA are building at least equal to the best companies like Anthropic and the best countries like China.
00:22:27.260 Who concerns you more, Anthropic or Palantir?
00:22:29.680 Palantir. 0.97
00:22:30.700 Tell me why.
00:22:31.480 I think Anthropic still has some signs that there's a larger humanitarian ethical goal, where Palantir does not.
00:22:42.800 Palantir is a very pragmatic, purely pragmatic company looking for a business edge.
00:22:49.700 You know their story, how they got started.
00:22:51.900 It is tied to the CIA on what they did.
00:22:54.380 But I cannot confirm or deny.
00:22:57.300 You're funny.
00:22:58.660 How about yourself, Palantir or Anthropic? 0.92
00:23:00.740 Anthropic.
00:23:01.380 So Palantir is essentially a really pretty database.
00:23:04.780 Sorry, Palantir guys. 0.95
00:23:06.500 But Anthropic made a cyber weapon, and I think that's just their light years different. 1.00
00:23:11.580 You know when the chart came up and David Sachs and a lot of guys post this on what AI is going to replace, what jobs it's not going to replace. 0.97
00:23:19.940 A lot of guys were posting this picture.
00:23:21.420 I don't know if you guys have seen it or not.
00:23:24.480 Does AI do anything to replace what CIA officers do or do you think they are still going to be needed?
00:23:32.140 Like what can agents do that AI can't do?
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00:24:06.820 there's not much i wouldn't say that outside of the direct human to human contact that would
00:24:14.320 happen in an actual live in-person debriefing ai can do a whole hell of a lot of it they can
00:24:21.140 cross-reference they can create analytical products they can vet information they can vet
00:24:25.120 sources they can uh they can do internal audits on security records i mean it's a powerful it
00:24:31.780 can have real-time conversations through a chat interface and like that was the big revolution
00:24:37.180 in intelligence collection in the early 2000s was being able to develop a source through a chat
00:24:43.640 and now you have ai that can do that yeah i mean i agree for the most part i do think there's
00:24:49.880 something a human is always going to see differently than ai but it doesn't mean every human's good at
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