Valuetainment - “Rogan Doesn’t Want to Talk to Me” - Andrew Bustamante REVEALS Why He May be Blacklisted

00:00:00.000 You've pretty much done everybody.

00:00:01.480 You've done Friedman, because that one did very well.

00:00:06.720 You've done Diary of CEO.

00:00:09.540 I think you've done Ryan.

00:00:11.020 Yeah.

00:00:12.540 So you haven't done Tucker.

00:00:14.200 You've not done Rogan.

00:00:15.620 I have not done Rogan.

00:00:16.400 Why haven't you done Rogan?

00:00:17.380 So Rogan actually, knowingly, is passing me up.

00:00:21.740 Yeah.

00:00:22.020 So I have a book coming out.

00:00:23.820 I know we've talked about it off camera.

00:00:25.440 I have a book coming up.

00:00:26.240 My publisher actually reached out to the Joe Rogan show

00:00:28.660 to make sure they were aware of me and my upcoming book.

00:00:31.380 And their producer wrote back and said,

00:00:33.840 Joe knows Andy.

00:00:34.680 Joe's been tracking Andy.

00:00:35.660 And Joe does not want to talk to Andy.

00:00:40.400 Very interesting.

00:00:41.760 I don't know why.

00:00:42.880 I have a silly theory, because when I interviewed with Lex,

00:00:49.900 and I have tremendous respect for Lex Friedman.

00:00:53.140 When I interviewed with Lex, it was before I really understood

00:00:56.980 that during these interviews, there's a bit of a game

00:01:00.600 that you play with the host, right?

00:01:02.740 So I made Lex look bad on his own show.

00:01:08.460 And a lot of the comments that came out afterwards,

00:01:10.840 a lot of the reason that that show did so well

00:01:12.800 is because people are commenting on what their opinions are

00:01:18.280 for the ways that I made Lex look bad.

00:01:19.820 And there are apparently a lot of people out there

00:01:21.180 that liked Lex looking bad.

00:01:22.400 And then when that started going to Twitter

00:01:24.620 and that started going to Instagram,

00:01:25.720 I actually got some messages from Lex saying,

00:01:27.580 why would you encourage people to say such mean things?

00:01:30.960 He said that to you?

00:01:31.820 Yeah.

00:01:32.080 Lex said that to you.

00:01:32.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:33.340 And I went back and I wasn't even tracking social media, right?

00:01:37.540 So I went back into my social media feed

00:01:39.220 and I saw where people were saying bad things

00:01:41.140 and I saw where I clicked the thumbs up

00:01:42.660 on whatever they were saying,

00:01:44.080 just because I was clicking like to everything.

00:01:46.780 And I actually wrote Lex back and I was like,

00:01:48.480 hey man, I don't really know what I'm doing.

00:01:50.240 I apologize for hurting your feelings.

00:01:51.540 Let me go back and recant it.

00:01:52.740 And there's actually on Twitter,

00:01:53.900 you can see me going back and saying,

00:01:55.180 hey, Lex was a great interviewer.

00:01:57.440 If you think I looked good on this interview,

00:01:58.700 it's only because he was asking good questions.

00:02:01.140 And, but nevertheless, when I left Lex's studio,

00:02:05.420 he and Joe Rogan are good friends.

00:02:07.380 And he was like, Joe's just down the street.

00:02:09.720 I bet Joe would love to have a conversation with you.

00:02:11.760 And then just a few days later,

00:02:13.620 everything went tits up on the internet

00:02:15.020 and Lex stopped talking to me.

00:02:17.340 So if there's-

00:02:19.160 Well, then that makes sense.

00:02:19.960 Because I don't see-

00:02:21.940 Joe is very loyal to his friends.

00:02:24.080 Very loyal.

00:02:24.740 To his core, core friends,

00:02:26.900 very loyal to him.

00:02:28.340 So I'm not surprised.

00:02:29.560 That's probably what could have happened

00:02:31.040 because he really likes Lex

00:02:33.360 and they have a very good relationship together.

00:02:35.700 It could be as simple as that.

00:02:37.220 So I actually think

00:02:38.560 Joe would very much enjoy talking to you.

00:02:43.280 So, but one thing I love about Joe,

00:02:47.420 Joe said the following.

00:02:48.520 The first time I went on Joe Rogan,

00:02:50.280 Joe reached out.

00:02:51.700 I didn't reach out.

00:02:52.340 I'm like, hey, oh, we had a conversation exchange.

00:02:55.240 Like, hey, you want to do a podcast?

00:02:56.220 I'm like, sure.

00:02:56.860 Boom.

00:02:57.120 And then we went out there

00:02:57.820 and that's kind of how it happened.

00:02:59.640 And then the second time, Ron,

00:03:00.980 he opened up his club.

00:03:01.940 I wanted to go see his club.

00:03:03.480 And then he said, hey, if you're down here,

00:03:05.020 you want to do a podcast?

00:03:05.800 Sure, let's do a podcast.

00:03:06.660 And I gave him the few gifts,

00:03:07.960 which by the way, man, let me tell you,

00:03:09.880 I don't know if you saw

00:03:10.520 when I gave him the gifts,

00:03:11.340 the comment section.

00:03:12.140 They were not,

00:03:12.640 I will never, ever give anybody a gift after my,

00:03:17.580 you know, if you go back

00:03:18.400 and look at my history of me having,

00:03:20.520 like when I had Kobe Bryant,

00:03:21.440 I give him a gift.

00:03:22.440 He was trying to be a producer.

00:03:23.380 I give him a signed copy

00:03:25.020 of all the Star Wars people signing there.

00:03:26.760 When I had Mark Cuban on 10 or 11 years ago,

00:03:29.520 I gave him a gift.

00:03:30.320 I know he's an Atlas Shrug guy.

00:03:31.380 I gave him original, first print,

00:03:32.780 first cover, everything.

00:03:34.040 Like you can't find that.

00:03:34.980 It's a very tough book to find.

00:03:36.580 He didn't have one.

00:03:37.160 He was thankful.

00:03:37.620 We're always giving gifts

00:03:38.620 from the Middle Eastern side.

00:03:39.680 Sean Ryan gives gifts as well, I think.

00:03:42.200 But I'm like, yeah,

00:03:43.500 next time if I got a gift for Joe,

00:03:45.540 can you turn off the camera,

00:03:47.000 man, I'm going to give it to you afterwards.

00:03:48.680 But yeah, I mean, look,

00:03:50.340 hopefully that'll happen eventually.

00:03:52.280 Fed, you hear stories with Fed.

00:03:54.040 By the way, some people even say Lex.

00:03:55.560 It's like Lex, you know,

00:03:57.000 that's everybody has a criticism

00:03:58.380 that they get, you know.

00:03:59.900 That guy take the, 0.98

00:04:00.840 we take money from Mossad.

00:04:02.340 I've never, you know,

00:04:03.360 I've never taken money,

00:04:04.540 100% financed by my own company.

00:04:06.360 I sold my insurance company

00:04:07.400 and now everything I'm doing here

00:04:08.400 pretty much financed by us,

00:04:09.820 but everybody has their own criticism.

00:04:11.820 Tucker took money from Qatar.

00:04:13.460 Those guys took money from Mossad.

00:04:15.100 You know, Ben Shapiro got this.

00:04:16.220 This president got this.

00:04:17.360 What do you know about the back and forth

00:04:19.740 with Peter Thiel story came out in 2023?

00:04:23.600 He's a Fed.

00:04:23.920 Did you read that story or know it?

00:04:25.660 I didn't read the story.

00:04:26.380 I know what you're talking about.

00:04:27.140 And Peter Thiel has been a topic of.

00:04:30.160 For a while.

00:04:31.060 Of a law for a long time,

00:04:32.280 a federal debate for a long time.

00:04:34.100 And, you know, he,

00:04:36.700 what I know about Peter's company

00:04:40.380 and where it intersects government,

00:04:42.860 I'm pretty sure is still classified,

00:04:44.800 so I can't talk about it.

00:04:46.380 But I can see why people would accuse him

00:04:49.580 of being tied up with.

00:04:53.760 I'm assuming you're talking about Palantir.

00:04:55.000 Again, and I don't know how much

00:04:57.780 is public or not public,

00:04:59.180 so you said it, not me,

00:05:01.120 but that's pretty much where I can and can't talk.

00:05:04.820 Yeah, I had a guy,

00:05:06.300 the recent theory that a guy said,

00:05:10.220 and then I saw a video that the guy showed today

00:05:12.580 on the podcast with Nick,

00:05:14.340 that JD came out of nowhere, okay, JD Vance.

00:05:18.800 He was a guy that came from Thiel.

00:05:20.660 And then Elon went in with the Doge

00:05:24.520 and they got the intel that they needed

00:05:26.420 and Palantir now is getting a contract

00:05:27.960 with the government

00:05:28.520 and this may be a direction for technocracy

00:05:30.440 and all this other stuff.

00:05:31.660 Does the CIA sit there and worry about technocracies?

00:05:33.860 Does the CIA sit there and say,

00:05:34.940 well, listen, the direction we may be going,

00:05:36.920 I mean, these guys are no longer billionaires.

00:05:38.960 They're not worth a hundred.

00:05:40.260 Now they're worth hundreds.

00:05:42.220 Elon's going to be a trillionaire

00:05:43.280 in the next 12 to 36 months.

00:05:46.280 I think it'll be worth a trillion dollars

00:05:47.780 in the next 12 to 36 months.

00:05:49.820 A trillionaire, you can buy countries.

00:05:51.560 You can buy, it's a very different world

00:05:53.120 when you make that kind of money.

00:05:54.960 Is there the fear of a technocracy

00:05:57.760 and some of these guys coming out

00:05:59.100 and overtaking control?

00:06:01.160 Not at CIA, not widespread at CIA.

00:06:04.540 Keep in mind, CIA's focus

00:06:05.780 is almost exclusively foreign, right?

00:06:08.020 If they're looking inside the United States,

00:06:10.340 it's because a foreign threat 0.95

00:06:11.640 has made it inside the United States.

00:06:13.200 So they don't worry about that.

00:06:14.080 But I will say that there's a very practical level

00:06:17.500 in federal government

00:06:18.700 where somebody else decides

00:06:20.680 what technology you use

00:06:21.820 and whether you like it or not,

00:06:23.520 whether it's good or bad technology,

00:06:24.740 you're stuck with it

00:06:26.080 because some acquisitions officer said,

00:06:29.960 this is what we're buying.

00:06:33.220 I spent a lot of time on Windows 98 0.66

00:06:35.200 when it was shitty, man.

00:06:36.100 That's a different story 0.59

00:06:40.040 than what we got here.

00:06:41.880 Rob, what is the one clip we had?

00:06:43.900 I don't know if you've seen this one

00:06:44.980 where this lady's on Stephen Colbert 1.00

00:06:46.720 and she starts talking about,

00:06:49.400 have you seen this thing?

00:06:50.760 I don't think so.

00:06:51.380 Okay, so this is interesting.

00:06:52.640 So she's sitting in all of a sudden,

00:06:54.800 I think the conversation said,

00:06:56.100 did you ever work with CIA for the movie

00:06:57.840 and all this other stuff?

00:06:58.620 She did a show called Homeland

00:06:59.840 on Showtime, I believe, Claire Danes,

00:07:02.560 where it was about intelligence agencies

00:07:04.560 tracking terrorists.

00:07:06.520 And here's what she said.

00:07:08.220 It's a high camp for us producers and writers.

00:07:11.780 Really?

00:07:12.500 Yeah.

00:07:12.840 Is it like, you know...

00:07:13.500 Yeah, so we park ourselves

00:07:14.560 in a club in Georgetown

00:07:16.460 and talk to, like, real spooks.

00:07:21.700 And, you know, people in the intelligence community

00:07:23.540 and the State Department and journalists

00:07:25.480 and people who really...

00:07:26.780 What do they tell you?

00:07:27.800 What's the most surprising thing

00:07:29.300 that they've told you about their jobs

00:07:30.880 or something you would need to know from there?

00:07:32.000 Well, every year it's different, right?

00:07:33.560 We've been at it for a while

00:07:34.660 and the climate has been...

00:07:36.720 has changed.

00:07:37.760 But this year it was all about, you know,

00:07:39.600 the distrust between the administration

00:07:41.220 and the intelligence world

00:07:42.840 and the intelligence community

00:07:45.180 was suddenly kind of allying itself

00:07:47.060 with journalists,

00:07:48.100 which usually they're not...

00:07:49.120 How long ago did you start shooting this season?

00:07:52.160 Spike! 1.00

00:07:52.720 So they're saying he interrupted so quickly

00:07:55.020 because the producer on the back end

00:07:56.380 was like,

00:07:56.840 yo, stop, 0.96

00:07:57.960 she's giving too much information. 0.93

00:07:59.580 Is that likely or now is it just...

00:08:02.560 So I can see why a producer

00:08:05.360 would redirect her, for sure.

00:08:07.060 I can also see how that may have just been...

00:08:08.560 He was excited.

00:08:09.220 What year or what month was that, Rob?

00:08:11.560 I'd have to go back and check.

00:08:12.780 Hang on.

00:08:12.880 Because what she's saying is 100% accurate.

00:08:17.720 We don't call it spy camp,

00:08:18.820 but there are definitely moments

00:08:20.400 where CIA officers

00:08:21.720 who are no longer undercover

00:08:23.500 will meet in restaurants around the D.C. area

00:08:26.840 with actors, actresses, investors,

00:08:30.680 you know, market movers,

00:08:32.300 anybody who can get the approval

00:08:35.380 to sit with them.

00:08:37.920 So...

00:08:38.280 Seven and a half years ago.

00:08:38.760 2018.

00:08:40.000 So 2018 is two years

00:08:41.440 after the Trump administration

00:08:42.400 and Trump was keeping CIA at a distance,

00:08:46.180 if you recall back then.

00:08:47.300 So she's telling the truth

00:08:48.960 and that is the kind of stuff

00:08:49.700 that they talk about

00:08:50.400 and that's what happens at these camps. 0.99

00:08:52.860 Silly enough, 0.90

00:08:55.340 I actually am hosting my own spy camp 0.98

00:08:57.580 for a UK,

00:08:58.700 a major UK newspaper

00:08:59.840 in my home in August,

00:09:02.620 in late August.

00:09:03.420 Yeah.

00:09:03.800 Where I'll be doing the same thing.

00:09:05.200 I'll run them through

00:09:06.320 a mock surveillance operation.

00:09:08.240 I'll run them through

00:09:08.940 and teach them tradecraft

00:09:10.020 and show them how to do things in the field

00:09:11.660 so that they can be informed

00:09:12.900 when they write their article.

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Valuetainment - August 15, 2025

“Rogan Doesn’t Want to Talk to Me” - Andrew Bustamante REVEALS Why He May be Blacklisted

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